As someone who comes from a karate background, it was very interesting and refreshing to see the slightly different take that taekwondo brings to the table when it comes to these kicks. I also didn't actually even consider the front kick to be the fastest karate kick until now but now that you have mentioned it and showed it in the video I think I will start using it a lot more. Thank you for the inspiration every time, loved the video, and both of your guys' technique and skill were amazing as always!
Usually, Mae Geri won't be launched from a low stance like this. In a real fight, you'll never put yourself in Zenkutsu Dachi, but in Moto Dachi. In Moto Dachi, you'll have less weight on both of your legs, and your kicks will be faster. One more thing : you shouldn't start to raise your leg up before starting to move, otherwise your opponent will notice you're trying to kick him before you've started to move. You have to break your balance, bending your body forward, and only then you raise up your leg. Your opponent won't feel threatened by you until you begin to raise up your leg, which means you'd already gained some variable distance between the two of you before he noticed. That means it'd be too late for him to step back in order to avoid your kick. It also means his reaction time will be slower and you'll be less blocked this way. You should also avoid kicking above Chudan with a Mae Geri. You can use it as a defensive Waza when used with your front kick, which was its main primal form.
Every time I see you Nat delivering any type of kicks in Karate therefore I can really sense you maybe visualising that there is a possibility of limitless power being heated in your heart. This means is that the more passion you generate in your internal form the higher chances you’ll encounter a relevant result. I’m 3rd kyu Brown Belt by the way.
Taekwondo has faster and more complex kicks that uses spinning and jumping in order to generate force while karate is more ground based and is Straight forward with its kicks
Okay, so what about Tobi Ura Mawashi Geri ? Is it a ground kick ? And what about Tobi Ushiro Geri ? And what about Fumikomi Geri or Kansetsu Geri ? And what about Mikazuki Geri ? Even if i'm not very threatened by kicks, even less by kicks above Chudan level, these kicks exist. Don't speak about something you don't know.
I enjoy both styles. I like how you ended the video with take what you need from each style. Thanks for wearing black and discussing the different small movements in preparation. I'm getting Double Dragon 🐉 vibes. How old were guys when you got your black belts? How long did it take?
Tornado kicks have its uses. It's not just for show. It has been used to score knockouts in tournaments. Successful uses are usually when first half of the rotation is used as faking the opponent and finish depending on how the opponent response. So it works better on opponent who's more cautious. Of course you wouldn't start off a street fight with a tornado kick.
I have a black belt in old school TKD (Chung do Kwan). I then trained under a man who did Kyokushin/Shotokan karate. (His teacher had a black belt under Mas Oyama) Other than teaching me a front leg flip kick, he felt all my TKD kicking techniques were fine. What he did teach me was how to use my hands, lol I have since learned a few Muay Thai kicks for serious power.
I know your comment was from 2 yrs ago but i still want to ask you something.. I have been doing taekwondo but i want to switch to karate. In 4 months I will get my black belt in tkd, so I don’t know if I should switch like right now , or wait until I get my black belt to have some more experience.. ? If you don’t mind answering these questions.. Why did you change from tkd to karate? What’s different?
@@yawnqi Tell me what style and system of TKD that you do, and will it be a full Shodan or deputy BB or what ever they call it. Short answer, get the BB first before starting a new system. As for me. I switched because I found a new school in town that had a very good teacher. Actually, after training with him, I went back to my TKD school after a year and was better than everybody because I learned how to really fight. There are several different styles of karate. Which one you train makes a difference. If you give me more information I can give you a better answer.
@@Docinaplane Hi thanks for answering! I think it’s traditional, i’m not really familiar with the styles. Good to hear that about your experience. I’m thinking on getting my black belt and then join karate because i recently did a trial class and i liked it very much, i really like kata. Soo the problem is, I’ve been struggling paying the subscription of tkd school, so idk how this will turn out. Maybe i’ll take a break from martial arts and train by myself with what I know.
@@yawnqi I agree, getting your BB in TKD is a good plan. The two main branches of TKD are ITF and WTF. WTF is the Olympic TKD. ITF is the more realistic fighting style of TKD. There is also ATA, which in my experience is the worst TKD system because it is more focused on making money than teaching the students. You could train by yourself, but at your level, it would be better to have an instructor. I'm in Florida. I doubt you are near here, or I would train you for free. Are you in the US? Back in the day, karate schools would exchange lessons for work at the school, like cleaning the mats, etc. I doubt they do that anymore, but it doesn't hurt to ask. Are you Korean? My best teacher was Korean.
great job guys, no need to argue to know which one is better. as Khabib said "shut up and train" we have a really beautiful movement, momentum, powerful. pleasure to see you working like that.
I want to initiate in the martial arts and I'm looking at opinions from martial artists to decide at which school style is best, most appealing to me so this video helps a lot. Great video, informational and entertaining.
Taekwondo has faster rotation during kicks because of being more light on foot Karate has stronger kicks, and it's good for flexibility during high kicks while your kicking leg is extended
Flashier yes. Better no. Add to that that TKD kicks are more for competition (big distance), karate kicks more for close combat. The Dolyo-Chagi for example is executed like the competition version of the Mawashi-Geri. The "normal" Mawashi-Geri (Van Damme Style) is more square, as it tries to fit the context of self-defense where the opponent is very close, so you lift your knee to the side, and tilt your body to the other side. Kagawa-sensei is so good at it, he can kick with it to the head even if you are less than an arm's length from him 😂
@@c.strange3051 It would be helpful, if you could name some examples as I don't see any difference. Traditional taekwondo and Karate are the same thing - that's why it had the same name: Tang Soo Do = Kara Te Do, both meaning "The Way of the Chinese Hand" (the Kanji used in the japanese name refers to the Tang dynasty)
. Journal of Human Kinetics, The Kinematic effects of the target on the velocity of teakwondo roundhouse kicks. It's a scholarly journal. All they cared about was kicking. If you look at the videos and talk to people that practiced in Korea you see the focus was indeed slightly different. I'm not saying it's better or Karate is better, but the training was not the same and the focus only on kicking is clearly historically speaking a part of the hand foot path.
The difference with taekwondo "jump turning back kick" is the area that you strike is not completely full foot but you make sort of an edge with it and when doing so you would normally be bending while kicking to generate extra power. Also you would move your hand to quicken the spin but that is not as important However taekwondo has better version of this kick for counters where you would turn back to enemy while looking through the shoulder and you would kick with your knee being upwards and fingers pointing down and while doing the kick you would bend in sort of T shape. It is better because you would strike with hardest part of your foot and enemy would not have good place to attack. I would also point aut that taekwondo has close range kicks that you can do from half a meter First one is Crescent Kick that hits side of the head with the side of the foot and it has two types inside and outside which either makes you do an c shape kick or 7 shaped one. and the second is Hook Kick which kicks back of the head or again the side and you can even throw person to the ground with it. The talking about hip movement making karate slower is wrong as it mostly from how they put weight, also taekwondo kicks always need your hips to move as that is from where most power come from. And for all the duration of the video I can not understand why taekwondo guy is not putting his hips to the kicks as that is the basic thing in kicking in taekwondo, he is also keeping his torso high for no reason as he should bend to the back so he could put all his weight to the kick... Also taekwondo again it also has front kick but we are standing taller so we don t have to stand up from this low position while kicking.
I trained in taekwondo as a child and recently started karate. The variations on different kicks serve different purposes. I personally use and enjoy taekwondo kicks more because of five years of taekwondo vs. five months of karate.
To me, taekwondo is the more flashier and meaner version of karate. If that makes sense, like how Muay Thai is to kickboxing. But excellent video, keep it up
Taekwondo is flashier, but not meaner. The emphasis on competition made the kicks faster but less powerful. Best example is the Mawashi-Geri/Dolyo-Chagi: if you do it right, your leg will be perfectly parallel to the ground, and you can generate tremendous power ; but the way it is done in tkd competition and with the 360° version is with the leg at a 45° angle
Oh and as for kicking style, I prefer TKD because it's a lot faster and even after spins you're still facing your opponent. You can see that here after those turning back kicks, Trevor is facing his opponent while Nat is in a 3/4 position that looks a little awkward. You're both awesome, but small openings like that can be catastrophic in a fight. For all it lacks in certain departments (Grappling) I find that ITF Taekwondo really has refined kicks to an art. I feel it's important to take a style that works with your body and mindset. Something offensive and fast is definitely for me.
Tbh if a taekwondo guy and a karate guy were to fight… let’s be honest here the winner is whoever trained harder or had the better instructor. The thing is unless you went to a mcdojo you are going to learn something. Under Muay Thai rules with a Muay Thai body the Muay Thai techniques are king otherwise they would have used something else and this is the same for any other martial art. Culture and history also influences the moves but those moves tends to get weeded out or change as time passes and more people find out better ways to do things. This is not to say culture and history is bad it’s just that sometimes things get outdated as new things are discovered which is a great sign of progress.
Thank you for the demo, Nat. May I suggest uploading 60 FPS videos for cases as this if possible. It helps in comparisons to be able to see the little details, especially with youtube's modern tools for frames. Thanks!
Karate vs Taekwondo R: A grande verdade é que os praticantes não vivem algo autonomo ou autentico, nem produzem algo para estudar e aprender, mas estão presos em cenários figurados e limitados durante uma luta esportiva. Isso se aplica a qualquer arte marcial, devemos atacar o inimigo de todos os lados e buscar entender o cenario, e não nos limitarmos a movimentos retos de chute, o que eu vejo muito acontecer em campeonatos da minha favorita arte marcial; o Taekwondo
When doing back Kicks in Shotokan, you have to face the opponent again unless your going to run mate. Stopping right after your back kick would make you vulnerable
Is the rolling kick (do Mawashi kaiten geri) allowed in Taekwondo? And if not why? In my opinion Taekwondo would be a very great martial art, if lowkicks and sweeps would be allowed in competitions. No handstrikes, just kicks! But therefore all kind of kicks, and knees (without clinching). What do you think?
It’s always epic when I see Nat and Trevor do a collab. Also, I’m a Jin user all the way, but God Damn does Trevor make Hwoarang’s kicks look smooth and beautiful.
Super awesome ! Love it . I think you should film you guys doing the kicks and then recording audio over it. So it helps us focus more on the subject .
With mae geri, are you hitting the target with the instep or ball of the foot? Because when you were showing it without the bag and how it differed from muay Thai, it looked like you strike with the instep. But on the bag you strike with the ball. I've also seen guys like Sensei Katsu strike with the instep when he's showing a demo of kicking his opponent in the belt at lightening speed.
Shotokan and taekwondo are the arts i have spent the most time in during my years of cross training as a Kickboxer. I have been back and for in both. Have gotten red belt and brown belts in both respectively. They have almost all the same kicks. The difference i noticed was that tkd guys are a hit more graceful in their performance. I started in shotokan style kickboxing karate. Later i trianed in ashihara, and then i spent a few years in TKD. Got my red belt in tkd kickboxing, then got a red belt in combat TKD in Korea when i was in the army. I love both arts. Karate has the same kicks except there is no tornado kick. But overall side by side the difference in tkd and shotokan kicks are only slightly different. And most even amongst the TKD grandmasters i have met, they agreed that the kicks were pretty much the same with only slight differences. TKD guy tend to be more graceful with the exact same kicks, because they spent 70-80% of the time on kicks, while Karatekas 60/40 putting straight punches first, or some 60/40 putting kicks first. It really depends from person to person. Some tkd guys look like shotokan Karate practitioners. I think we get hing up on the WTF fancy high kicks and forgets how similar these styles are. I represent both as core to my kickboxing, because of spending time back and forth between the two. And for some that may not know, taekwondo actually came from shotokan Karate. 🥷🏾🙏🏾 Both are basically closely related. And its good to cross train in both.
Awesome spin back kick and tornado kick I’m a brown belt in shotokan karate at kids America plus a weightlifter I think karate is more effective because of the lack of flashy moves , simple is best in self defense😀
Great partnership video unity karate and taekwondo. We should remember shudokan,shotokan and shitoryu karate are the brain part of taekwondo. In other hand, karate assimilates taekwondo high and medium kicks punches, air punches and fly kicks. Both divides the throws and body projections,body blocks too. The video show us the harmony between Tkd and karate they are dude brother styles. 👍👍🍺🍺👍🍺
as a person who is training karate I'd agree that the front kick is one of the fastest kick's but it's not the hardest one to block.. persionaly I'd say that the hardest one to block is the side kick yoko-Geri+kekomi it's definitely confusing on how to block it.
I'm just wondering, would a front leg front kick be faster (used defensively against a blitzing opponent)? I can usually see a back leg front kick, but I've been caught several times with front leg front kicks.
As a black belt in TKD, my favorite kick when going for speed is a front leg front snap kick. It might not shake the bag as much, but it can still knock the wind out of an opponent.
all kicks is effective,it depends on how you point in counter the opponent,wise martial art dont show how you drive the situation,dont make see what your style,its better to be a magician,, to make surprise💪💪💪💪💪💯
I would do traditional karate first, and then add taekwondo if you need, once you get your black belt. Emphasis on traditional, because sports karate tend to make your technique bad (competition style, no emphasis on deadly blows, just about points). Add to that, that standard Kukkiwon versions of hand techniques are often flawed (wrong hip rotation, wrong "preparation" movements, etc.) Your TKD master must be very self-conscious in order to overcome the authority of the Kukkiwon and teach you the right technique. Most just follow the Kukkiwon style religiously, unfortunately.
I have a double round house kick in my style. People who don't know the discipline or style think it's called a scissor kick or whatever. It's a majored way of striking you opponent. I wish I had a triple kick.
I met some Karatekas of Shoto-kan ryuu(school of Shoto-kan) when I was a high school student in France many years ago. I heard then they had many karate dojos in many countries in the world. They clearly told me, with unsatisfactory look on their face, that Korean Shoto-kan Karatekas began to call their Karate Taekwondo after the WWII within Korea. Thus Taekwondo is historically derived from Shoto-kan Karate school, so Taekwondo is sometimes very much look like it in punches, kicks even defense. But to me, Karate looks more practical and powerful and destructive. Taekwondo looks flashy but unpractical.
idk if those are the terms for the kicks you always use but please use the right terms. (I only know the karate ones but) It really confuses me if you call a kick “the jump turning back kick” instead of ushiro tobi geri.
Taekwondo wins they are light on feet and do very fast kicks there kicks are complex to but I really like both fighting styles and it doesn’t really matter about what fighting style it matters about the person using the fighting styles
I actually did knock a guy silly with a tornado kick in a street fight but I had to set it up really fast off a teep. It wasn't a perfect landing so I didn't quite knock him out, but he got up and walk away wobbly from it so I count that as a success. Maybe I just got lucky, but I think the key is getting the subconscious doubts out of your head and just not hesitating. That and practice the shit out of it in your spare time.
I want to see these two sparing
I second this
Coming soon…
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Absolutely! My yellow belt in taekwondo can't compare to what these mentor's are showing. I'm now focusing on Wing Chung.
As someone who comes from a karate background, it was very interesting and refreshing to see the slightly different take that taekwondo brings to the table when it comes to these kicks. I also didn't actually even consider the front kick to be the fastest karate kick until now but now that you have mentioned it and showed it in the video I think I will start using it a lot more. Thank you for the inspiration every time, loved the video, and both of your guys' technique and skill were amazing as always!
I love front kick. Espeacially against square stance fighters.
Thank you for those kinds words, keep up the training! Front kick is one of my favourites
Usually, Mae Geri won't be launched from a low stance like this. In a real fight, you'll never put yourself in Zenkutsu Dachi, but in Moto Dachi. In Moto Dachi, you'll have less weight on both of your legs, and your kicks will be faster. One more thing : you shouldn't start to raise your leg up before starting to move, otherwise your opponent will notice you're trying to kick him before you've started to move. You have to break your balance, bending your body forward, and only then you raise up your leg. Your opponent won't feel threatened by you until you begin to raise up your leg, which means you'd already gained some variable distance between the two of you before he noticed. That means it'd be too late for him to step back in order to avoid your kick. It also means his reaction time will be slower and you'll be less blocked this way. You should also avoid kicking above Chudan with a Mae Geri. You can use it as a defensive Waza when used with your front kick, which was its main primal form.
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@@jonathanraspaut15 I'm sorry, but i didn't get it. :)
Every time I see you Nat delivering any type of kicks in Karate therefore I can really sense you maybe visualising that there is a possibility of limitless power being heated in your heart. This means is that the more passion you generate in your internal form the higher chances you’ll encounter a relevant result. I’m 3rd kyu Brown Belt by the way.
Taekwondo has faster and more complex kicks that uses spinning and jumping in order to generate force while karate is more ground based and is Straight forward with its kicks
Yeah that’s true👍
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Okay, so what about Tobi Ura Mawashi Geri ? Is it a ground kick ? And what about Tobi Ushiro Geri ? And what about Fumikomi Geri or Kansetsu Geri ? And what about Mikazuki Geri ?
Even if i'm not very threatened by kicks, even less by kicks above Chudan level, these kicks exist. Don't speak about something you don't know.
The crossover we didn't know we need it
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I enjoy both styles. I like how you ended the video with take what you need from each style. Thanks for wearing black and discussing the different small movements in preparation. I'm getting Double Dragon 🐉 vibes. How old were guys when you got your black belts? How long did it take?
Thank you! Yep it’s all about using what is good for your body👍👍
Tornado kicks have its uses. It's not just for show. It has been used to score knockouts in tournaments. Successful uses are usually when first half of the rotation is used as faking the opponent and finish depending on how the opponent response. So it works better on opponent who's more cautious. Of course you wouldn't start off a street fight with a tornado kick.
Tornado kicks are just a roundhouse a waste of energy
Please ask Trevor to make detailed tutorials and a beginners series.
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Love the collab and the long vids keep the great content up bro
Thank you! Will do👍👍
Tkd kicking is the best of all martial arts.
Sensei I would like to see more of your past vídeos showing your progress through those years . Thank u !
Finally a longer video :) nice one bro
You should bring a Muay Thai fighter next time you do something like this, Nat
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Would love to have a Muay Thai fighter on also, definitely something I’ll do in the future👍
I have a black belt in old school TKD (Chung do Kwan). I then trained under a man who did Kyokushin/Shotokan karate. (His teacher had a black belt under Mas Oyama) Other than teaching me a front leg flip kick, he felt all my TKD kicking techniques were fine. What he did teach me was how to use my hands, lol I have since learned a few Muay Thai kicks for serious power.
I know your comment was from 2 yrs ago but i still want to ask you something..
I have been doing taekwondo but i want to switch to karate. In 4 months I will get my black belt in tkd, so I don’t know if I should switch like right now , or wait until I get my black belt to have some more experience.. ?
If you don’t mind answering these questions..
Why did you change from tkd to karate? What’s different?
@@yawnqi Tell me what style and system of TKD that you do, and will it be a full Shodan or deputy BB or what ever they call it. Short answer, get the BB first before starting a new system. As for me. I switched because I found a new school in town that had a very good teacher. Actually, after training with him, I went back to my TKD school after a year and was better than everybody because I learned how to really fight. There are several different styles of karate. Which one you train makes a difference. If you give me more information I can give you a better answer.
@@yawnqi Hi, I was wondering what you planned on doing?
@@Docinaplane Hi thanks for answering! I think it’s traditional, i’m not really familiar with the styles. Good to hear that about your experience. I’m thinking on getting my black belt and then join karate because i recently did a trial class and i liked it very much, i really like kata. Soo the problem is, I’ve been struggling paying the subscription of tkd school, so idk how this will turn out. Maybe i’ll take a break from martial arts and train by myself with what I know.
@@yawnqi I agree, getting your BB in TKD is a good plan. The two main branches of TKD are ITF and WTF. WTF is the Olympic TKD. ITF is the more realistic fighting style of TKD. There is also ATA, which in my experience is the worst TKD system because it is more focused on making money than teaching the students. You could train by yourself, but at your level, it would be better to have an instructor. I'm in Florida. I doubt you are near here, or I would train you for free. Are you in the US? Back in the day, karate schools would exchange lessons for work at the school, like cleaning the mats, etc. I doubt they do that anymore, but it doesn't hurt to ask. Are you Korean? My best teacher was Korean.
great job guys, no need to argue to know which one is better. as Khabib said "shut up and train"
we have a really beautiful movement, momentum, powerful. pleasure to see you working like that.
I want to initiate in the martial arts and I'm looking at opinions from martial artists to decide at which school style is best, most appealing to me so this video helps a lot. Great video, informational and entertaining.
I have no kicking background so i just train a bit of everything👍💪 Keep up the good work dude
Nice, keep up the training💪
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The point of taekwondo is, it's either hit or miss. Hands can be strong too. Use your legs when your arms are weak lol
Kicks - taekwondo
Punches - karate
Taekwondo has faster rotation during kicks because of being more light on foot
Karate has stronger kicks, and it's good for flexibility during high kicks while your kicking leg is extended
taekwondo has the better kicks
Flashier yes. Better no.
Add to that that TKD kicks are more for competition (big distance), karate kicks more for close combat.
The Dolyo-Chagi for example is executed like the competition version of the Mawashi-Geri. The "normal" Mawashi-Geri (Van Damme Style) is more square, as it tries to fit the context of self-defense where the opponent is very close, so you lift your knee to the side, and tilt your body to the other side. Kagawa-sensei is so good at it, he can kick with it to the head even if you are less than an arm's length from him 😂
@@sassuki traditional taekwondo has better more powerful kicks overall. Hands down. Sorry.
@@c.strange3051 It would be helpful, if you could name some examples as I don't see any difference. Traditional taekwondo and Karate are the same thing - that's why it had the same name: Tang Soo Do = Kara Te Do, both meaning "The Way of the Chinese Hand" (the Kanji used in the japanese name refers to the Tang dynasty)
. Journal of Human Kinetics, The Kinematic effects of the target on the velocity of teakwondo roundhouse kicks. It's a scholarly journal. All they cared about was kicking. If you look at the videos and talk to people that practiced in Korea you see the focus was indeed slightly different. I'm not saying it's better or Karate is better, but the training was not the same and the focus only on kicking is clearly historically speaking a part of the hand foot path.
@@sassuki I'm not talking about traditional taekwondo.
The difference with taekwondo "jump turning back kick" is the area that you strike is not completely full foot but you make sort of an edge with it and when doing so you would normally be bending while kicking to generate extra power.
Also you would move your hand to quicken the spin but that is not as important
However taekwondo has better version of this kick for counters where you would turn back to enemy while looking through the shoulder and you would kick with your knee being upwards and fingers pointing down and while doing the kick you would bend in sort of T shape. It is better because you would strike with hardest part of your foot and enemy would not have good place to attack.
I would also point aut that taekwondo has close range kicks that you can do from half a meter
First one is Crescent Kick that hits side of the head with the side of the foot and it has two types inside and outside which either makes you do an c shape kick or 7 shaped one.
and the second is Hook Kick which kicks back of the head or again the side and you can even throw person to the ground with it.
The talking about hip movement making karate slower is wrong as it mostly from how they put weight, also taekwondo kicks always need your hips to move as that is from where most power come from.
And for all the duration of the video I can not understand why taekwondo guy is not putting his hips to the kicks as that is the basic thing in kicking in taekwondo, he is also keeping his torso high for no reason as he should bend to the back so he could put all his weight to the kick...
Also taekwondo again it also has front kick but we are standing taller so we don t have to stand up from this low position while kicking.
I trained in taekwondo as a child and recently started karate. The variations on different kicks serve different purposes. I personally use and enjoy taekwondo kicks more because of five years of taekwondo vs. five months of karate.
To me, taekwondo is the more flashier and meaner version of karate. If that makes sense, like how Muay Thai is to kickboxing. But excellent video, keep it up
Muay thai is much more versatile than kick boxing, whereas Taekwondo is less versatile than karate
Taekwondo is flashier, but not meaner. The emphasis on competition made the kicks faster but less powerful. Best example is the Mawashi-Geri/Dolyo-Chagi: if you do it right, your leg will be perfectly parallel to the ground, and you can generate tremendous power ; but the way it is done in tkd competition and with the 360° version is with the leg at a 45° angle
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Liking these longer videos 👊👊
Glad to hear that James thank you👍
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Oh and as for kicking style, I prefer TKD because it's a lot faster and even after spins you're still facing your opponent. You can see that here after those turning back kicks, Trevor is facing his opponent while Nat is in a 3/4 position that looks a little awkward. You're both awesome, but small openings like that can be catastrophic in a fight. For all it lacks in certain departments (Grappling) I find that ITF Taekwondo really has refined kicks to an art. I feel it's important to take a style that works with your body and mindset. Something offensive and fast is definitely for me.
Great vid! I was also hoping to see Nat try a tkd spinning kick haha
I’ve tried before… wasn’t pretty🤣
TAEKWONDO:
360 kick: 1:53
Back kick: 6:06, 6:15, 6:17
Pick up kick: 7:56
Tbh if a taekwondo guy and a karate guy were to fight… let’s be honest here the winner is whoever trained harder or had the better instructor.
The thing is unless you went to a mcdojo you are going to learn something. Under Muay Thai rules with a Muay Thai body the Muay Thai techniques are king otherwise they would have used something else and this is the same for any other martial art. Culture and history also influences the moves but those moves tends to get weeded out or change as time passes and more people find out better ways to do things. This is not to say culture and history is bad it’s just that sometimes things get outdated as new things are discovered which is a great sign of progress.
Thank you for the demo, Nat. May I suggest uploading 60 FPS videos for cases as this if possible. It helps in comparisons to be able to see the little details, especially with youtube's modern tools for frames. Thanks!
Muai Thai kicks are best and Wing Chun
Hi Nat. The ones who say TKD, karate really doesn't work,,, can't really do TKD or karate. 😊CHEERS.
Karate vs Taekwondo R:
A grande verdade é que os praticantes não vivem algo autonomo ou autentico, nem produzem algo para estudar e aprender, mas estão presos em cenários figurados e limitados durante uma luta esportiva.
Isso se aplica a qualquer arte marcial, devemos atacar o inimigo de todos os lados e buscar entender o cenario, e não nos limitarmos a movimentos retos de chute, o que eu vejo muito acontecer em campeonatos da minha favorita arte marcial; o Taekwondo
When doing back Kicks in Shotokan, you have to face the opponent again unless your going to run mate. Stopping right after your back kick would make you vulnerable
Is the rolling kick (do Mawashi kaiten geri) allowed in Taekwondo? And if not why?
In my opinion Taekwondo would be a very great martial art, if lowkicks and sweeps would be allowed in competitions.
No handstrikes, just kicks! But therefore all kind of kicks, and knees (without clinching).
What do you think?
Can I train with you guys 😭
It’s always epic when I see Nat and Trevor do a collab.
Also, I’m a Jin user all the way, but God Damn does Trevor make Hwoarang’s kicks look smooth and beautiful.
Super awesome ! Love it . I think you should film you guys doing the kicks and then recording audio over it. So it helps us focus more on the subject .
With mae geri, are you hitting the target with the instep or ball of the foot? Because when you were showing it without the bag and how it differed from muay Thai, it looked like you strike with the instep. But on the bag you strike with the ball. I've also seen guys like Sensei Katsu strike with the instep when he's showing a demo of kicking his opponent in the belt at lightening speed.
Shotokan and taekwondo are the arts i have spent the most time in during my years of cross training as a Kickboxer. I have been back and for in both. Have gotten red belt and brown belts in both respectively. They have almost all the same kicks. The difference i noticed was that tkd guys are a hit more graceful in their performance. I started in shotokan style kickboxing karate. Later i trianed in ashihara, and then i spent a few years in TKD. Got my red belt in tkd kickboxing, then got a red belt in combat TKD in Korea when i was in the army. I love both arts. Karate has the same kicks except there is no tornado kick. But overall side by side the difference in tkd and shotokan kicks are only slightly different. And most even amongst the TKD grandmasters i have met, they agreed that the kicks were pretty much the same with only slight differences. TKD guy tend to be more graceful with the exact same kicks, because they spent 70-80% of the time on kicks, while Karatekas 60/40 putting straight punches first, or some 60/40 putting kicks first. It really depends from person to person. Some tkd guys look like shotokan Karate practitioners. I think we get hing up on the WTF fancy high kicks and forgets how similar these styles are. I represent both as core to my kickboxing, because of spending time back and forth between the two. And for some that may not know, taekwondo actually came from shotokan Karate. 🥷🏾🙏🏾 Both are basically closely related. And its good to cross train in both.
I don't know what style you perform in karate but wouldn't the front leg Mawashi be quicker than the mae geri?
What you guys doing is educational n amazing. Thank you so much. Now i can train a bit myself. Dont buy in the haters.
Great video guys, thank you
You’re welcome!💪
Kung Fu Butterfly Kick
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do mawashi kaiten geri will be the flashiest for Karate
Gotta have mad respect for these 2, what actual Gs
Both of these are great.
Would be cool to see a side snap kick in a future video 👍
Awesome spin back kick and tornado kick I’m a brown belt in shotokan karate at kids America plus a weightlifter I think karate is more effective because of the lack of flashy moves , simple is best in self defense😀
I’ll pick karate for the time being and you guys are the most incredible martial artist I’ve seen despite those kicks you delivered to the big bag.
Thank you I appreciate that!👊
I felt there was more impact with the karate version. The TKD versions felt somewhat lighter
Karate is more fire once once and look at the result. Taekwondo is more like keep on firing and the flight is never over.
Can u recreate mma karate knockouts
Foda que não dá para entender nada kkkkkk, mas vejo seus chutes e tento copiar, bem continue com seus vídeo são bem legais👍
POV: you realize taekwondo is a karate
They acting
As someone from ITF Teakwon do it's difficult for me to do their kicks in WT teakwondo especially the flashy ones
Solid colab video! Well done!
Great partnership video unity karate and taekwondo. We should remember shudokan,shotokan and shitoryu karate are the brain part of taekwondo. In other hand, karate assimilates taekwondo high and medium kicks punches, air punches and fly kicks. Both divides the throws and body projections,body blocks too. The video show us the harmony between Tkd and karate they are dude brother styles. 👍👍🍺🍺👍🍺
Both are good in different ways. That's the answer.
Imo , Flashiest kick in karate is Rolling thunder used in kyokushin karate. Not only flashy , but effective when lands cleanly
i loved that front kick it had so much more power than i expected
I'm just hoping people realise there's more than one way to perform a front kick in karate, and it's not exclusive to Muay Thai
I do Muay Thai and judo
the front kick in Muay Thai pushes your opponent back far
would you recommend Me learning karate
as a person who is training karate I'd agree that the front kick is one of the fastest kick's but it's not the hardest one to block.. persionaly I'd say that the hardest one to block is the side kick yoko-Geri+kekomi it's definitely confusing on how to block it.
them just moving around when they talk lol
😂😂
perfect duo,challenge,fan of yours in phillipines💪💪💪💪
I'm just wondering, would a front leg front kick be faster (used defensively against a blitzing opponent)? I can usually see a back leg front kick, but I've been caught several times with front leg front kicks.
As a black belt in TKD, my favorite kick when going for speed is a front leg front snap kick. It might not shake the bag as much, but it can still knock the wind out of an opponent.
I love Taekwondo but karate is really a rich varieted martial art. Respect on both sides.
martial nat hearn arts
Phisshhhhhh phissshhhhhhh x69
Basically the whole video
Hwoarang vs jin kazama
Could you pleae make a long video over backkicks please, if you did already one, pls link it btw nice vid :D
Yes I can do that, and thank you💪
@@nathearn np
I've been playing karate for two months
all kicks is effective,it depends on how you point in counter the opponent,wise martial art dont show how you drive the situation,dont make see what your style,its better to be a magician,, to make surprise💪💪💪💪💪💯
I prefer the wooshi finger hold followed by a skadoosh
Can you post a video on how karate and taekwondo would do in shadowboxing far as techniques
Nat, are you from the UK? Great job, guys!
It's just the same because tkd it self is base from karate that has a combination of Korean martial arts
Personally I like to take the best and affective attacks from each style. But my preference is mt and shaolin Kung Fu
I’m brown almost red belt in taekwondo so I’m just making sure all is good with my martial art
Great demo boys. I prefer karate as the kicks seem more powerful. Taekwondo kick, is useful and good too but more showy.
I’m biased to the 360 it was always my best kick and it’s the most effective flashy kick 😂
can u do the Karate back kick and Taekwondo back kick
It mostly depends on fighter, but your kicks are seem to have more power.
I do okinawan karate do I’m gona go with karate
Can you train both karate and taekwondo as a beginner?
Yes of course you can, might be a bit confusing to do both at the same time for a beginner but definitely possible
I would do traditional karate first, and then add taekwondo if you need, once you get your black belt.
Emphasis on traditional, because sports karate tend to make your technique bad (competition style, no emphasis on deadly blows, just about points).
Add to that, that standard Kukkiwon versions of hand techniques are often flawed (wrong hip rotation, wrong "preparation" movements, etc.) Your TKD master must be very self-conscious in order to overcome the authority of the Kukkiwon and teach you the right technique. Most just follow the Kukkiwon style religiously, unfortunately.
My favourite Kicks are Spinning back kick and Double roundhouse kick
I have a double round house kick in my style. People who don't know the discipline or style think it's called a scissor kick or whatever. It's a majored way of striking you opponent. I wish I had a triple kick.
Both are good 👍
been inspired bro
I met some Karatekas of Shoto-kan ryuu(school of Shoto-kan) when I was a high school student in France many years ago. I heard then they had many karate dojos in many countries in the world. They clearly told me, with unsatisfactory look on their face, that Korean Shoto-kan Karatekas began to call their Karate Taekwondo after the WWII within Korea. Thus Taekwondo is historically derived from Shoto-kan Karate school, so Taekwondo is sometimes very much look like it in punches, kicks even defense. But to me, Karate looks more practical and powerful and destructive. Taekwondo looks flashy but unpractical.
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as someone who doesn taekwondo tho, there's way flashier kicks then the 360 turning kick???
That's the flashiest you'll ever get in sparring. 540s, 720s, and 1080s are not practicable
@@marioscleaner they are practicable ... but i get what you mean about them not being practical in sparring
Would you cover a vid more on Kyokshin karate ? Which combos are better but overall good vid and you sound British
nat hearn kicking be like : PSHHHHHHHHHHH, PSHHHHHHHH, PSH PSHHHHHHH
idk if those are the terms for the kicks you always use but please use the right terms. (I only know the karate ones but) It really confuses me if you call a kick “the jump turning back kick” instead of ushiro tobi geri.
How is that guy ?!
You know what i will try to hybrid
I love your blonde hair bro. Jui Jitsu would be good in a fight as most fights end up on the ground.
Taekwondo wins they are light on feet and do very fast kicks there kicks are complex to but I really like both fighting styles and it doesn’t really matter about what fighting style it matters about the person using the fighting styles
non-comparison .It depends on how hard you practice
It could be useful TKD when only use kicks. But Karate kick is useful when using all type of body include punch
4 dan master
taekwondo teach "enjoy your first lesson well don on the black belt "
Karate taekwondo
Which is good for street fight ?
both
I actually did knock a guy silly with a tornado kick in a street fight but I had to set it up really fast off a teep. It wasn't a perfect landing so I didn't quite knock him out, but he got up and walk away wobbly from it so I count that as a success. Maybe I just got lucky, but I think the key is getting the subconscious doubts out of your head and just not hesitating. That and practice the shit out of it in your spare time.