JOHN DEERE 1025R TLB VS KUBOTA BX23S: HEAD TO HEAD
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- Опубликовано: 5 сен 2024
- Can the Kubota BX23S tractor perform to the same level as the John Deere 1025R TLB? In this series of comparison videos we conduct some practical applicaiton tests of the two tractors.
Thanks for the comparison video, keep them coming!
Thanks Kurt!
I had a 2017 Kubota BX23S and now have a 2023 John Deere 1025R. There are things I like better about the Kubota and things I like better about the John Deere. Both have their pros and cons and in the hands of skilled operators are really capable and neat machines. I agree with what you showed in regards to the loader, it's the one thing I really disliked the most about the BX (other than maybe removing and installing the manual mid-mount mower deck). With that said, it appeared to me that you often did not have the loader bucket level when pushing into the pile but maybe it's hard to tell on camera. Kubota sells an optional bucket level indicator rod that is nearly identical to that of the 1025R. I added that to my BX. Having had both I'm enjoying the 1025R more but I think both are neat machines. I would just recommend sitting on both and trying before making your decision. I regret not doing that before buying the Kubota. In the end it will probably come down to which dealer you like more.
Thanks for the reply! I really struggled with that level indicator! The next video I try to level the bucket better. I appreciate your comments!
I dont know how long the pile set there but to the extent that the pile was compacted due to weight of materials on top or rain settling etc, the 2nd tractor would always have an easier time with a freshly fluffed area of the pile previously dug by the first tractor. I originally thought the pile was big enough that you were going to do one side with each tractor but that didnt happen.
Hi Michael, thanks for watching! So please watch the comments reviewed, and head to head part 2. The second day we do the Deere first. I really tried to make the conditions similar. The pile was fairly loose on both days as the crush concrete that came from the floor of the barn was place their just a few days before and contained mainly crushed concrete with limited dirt. As I continued to make videos dirt was mixed into the pile. Thank you so much for watching!
That’s a nice comparison! I’ve owned both a John Deere 1025r I bought new in 2014 with only a loader and MMM. I sold it back in 2016 because we moved and I really missed that tractor. I was always impressed with its performance for its size. I purchased a used low hour 2020 BX23s last summer. I love having the backhoe and I’ve been impressed with the performance of the machine. I did notice the loader was a little weaker than my old 1025r so I added a couple of shims. That made a noticeable difference. I haven’t noticed the power difference you demonstrated and it feels like I puts a little more power to the wheels on the ground than my 1025r but I do need to rev out the rpm’s more. The JD does have more power at lower rpm’s. The pressure relief valve would come on sooner on my 2014 1025r though and I could run it out of pushing power if I got solid traction with ballast sooner than my BX, or at least it feels that way. Both machines are awesome and I’ve been happy with both! Thanks for doing this review! I’m looking forward to more comparisons.
Thanks for the feedback! I really love hearing from people who have owned both. I realize I am not comfortable operating the Kubota and would love to see a video of a Kubota operator doing the same test. If you have the means please share a video! Thanks for watching I really appreciate it!
I've been looking at these two tractors as well as others for several months now. I've watched many videos on multiple tractors, and I can say with some confidence that the JD is a little better with lift capacities. Possibly by a few hundred pounds. This is significate if you need that extra capacity. That being said, in other areas it appears that the tractors are very similar (with the exception of hp). I do think the Kubota's loader is much more capable than what is shown here. I know that the bucket level indicator on the Kubota is not as good as JD so it's harder to see when its level. But, on a few occasions while driving into the pile I could see that the loader was digging into the subsoil under the gravel making it much more difficult to scoop the gravel. You can even see the front of the Kubota coming off the ground when driving into the pile. In contrast, the JD was level (and even the bucket was tilted slightly up) before driving into the pile. On the one or two occasions when attempting to dig down the JD did do it but it definitely struggled more.
Honestly, after everything I've watched I do think the JD is a little stronger and I would look to get it but, there is several thousand in price difference. I've been quoted from my local JD dealer for a 1023e with a belly more and loader at $25300. I'm sure the 1025r will be even more than that. The Kubota I've been quoted for with the same config at $22000. For my needs and because I have a smaller property these tractors will be working I will most like go the cheaper route to save thousands. If the JD was comparable in price, I would definitely go for it.
I was deciding between the JD 2025r vs the Kubota B2601. To me it was the treadle peddle that swayed me to JD. I hate the treadle peddle.
It definitely takes some getting used to!
Thanks for responding and thanks for watching!
Good video. Pros and cons.
Since I am in the market for a small tractor, many people tells me to buy the Kubota. I do not see why. The way I see it, the 1025R is a proper tractor but small. The Kubota is an oversized lawn tractor with tractor attachments.
I appreciate you comments. The 1025 is small but powerful. I recommend going to your local dealer on both and operate them before you buy. Right now we have many incentives on 2023 year models and the Get in the Seat promotion I would take advantage of the timing.
My oversized lawn mower pulled a pickup out of a 6’ mud hole the other day. The operator in this video is incompetent in the use of the Kubota. Also, JD uses way too many propitiatory connections.
Hi Cowrocket! I get it I am not as familiar with Kubota as you are. Please if you have a Bx23S or BX23 shoot a video of your tractor going into a pile of dirt at idle and lifting a full bucket load of dirt or rock like we have done in our video with the Deere. I look forward to seeing your video!
@@cowrocket3870 He kept repeating he was not at ease with the Kubota, we understood that part. However, other videos online still shows the Kubota being less strong at lifting than the BX. Pulling a truck is not my issue. Furthermore, it is a fail in my opinion to bring up proprietary connections because John Deere has 5 to 1 in the number of aftermarket part choices. Full of little shops around Canada and the USA fabricating parts and tweaks for JD stuff, while I can hardly find anything for Kubota. I need a bucket, a backhoe a snow pusher and snow blower with cabin. Put all those attachments and features together, I always end up with more money if I go JD due to the massive amount of non-JD attachments available. In addition, when I sat inside the Kubota last year and this year in the John Deere, I find there is more feet space inside the JD cabin, an important aspect due to our entire family being over 6 feet. Going Kubota ends up being 6K more in total. For a retired guy, 6K more in my pocket is important as it translates to years of fuel money for the tractor, ATV's... Both are reliable tractors with reliable Japanese diesel engines, so reliability is not an issue.
K 2380 here. Machine settles out at around 3k rpm. 2k is traveling, but not doing serious work. That said, full buckets and pallets struggle. Hydraulic specs are undersized for pressure. Stock loader is marginal, but three are options. JD dealer ignored me in the showroom for ten minutes. I need a very small footprint for my property, so I’ve made it work. I keep it in the shop and it fits fine.
so some of the lifting capacity is greater on the John Deere but at that it puts limits on front axle and over all handling
we change the orifices' on hydraulics on Kubota and we has huge increase in lift. Kubota playing it safe
I did comparisons and in a sub compact tractor the Kubota fits places the John Deere does not
also the over all frame is stronger on the Kubota.
John Deere 1025R while performs well is built on a thread of failing early
Owned both.
John Deere dealer in our area was greedy on pricing
In South western Ontario Kubota is really moving forward.
some country roads farms are all showing the orange colour on small tractors.
John deere is the best tractor
I agree 100%!
Cool video! The kubota would have to be a decent bit cheaper for me to consider it over the JD. One thing id like to see is a 3 range transmission on these subcompacts. Not always seeing the wheels spinning mean more traction is left which would could help!
Thanks for responding! I agree it would be nice to have the three ranges. The tractors are pretty light overall so spinning tires are a real problem on residential yards. Thanks for sharing!
@@EverythingGreenTractors From what I have seen once properly ballasted the hydrostatic relief usually kicks in before spinning. If on low to moderate traction ground, at least. If worried about tearing up grass then we could just put it in mid range gear.
very interesting indeed, love the tractor market. what I notice is the Kubota stops spining the rear wheels for some reason which I have to think is the limiting factor on being able to push into the pile. Except for the fact the bucket level was never achieved in the Kubota, pretty major difference. I think the Deere performed better for sure but I'm an orange guy (Kioti), which doesn't have the issues Kubota has pushing into a pile and has a good bucket level indicator. (and auto leveling bucket). more inline with Deere performance but cheaper (its a balance of performance and preference in this world)
We have a Kioti dealership opening next to our store within a few months. I am friends with the owner. I plan on asking him to do a head to head video demo I appreciate your comments!
He doesn’t have it in 4WD, there is a lever on the right for “4WD”, then there is heel lever on the left that locks the differentials.
@@cowrocket3870 Hi Cowrocket. Respectfully I am in 4wd. You can see the front tires spinning in the video. I encourage you to make a video testing your Kubota in the same test and post a link to my site if you have different results. I have operated a John Deere for 22 years. I am not used to the Kubota and would love tot see a video of an experienced operator demonstrating what it can do at the same Rpm levels. Thanks in advance for your help!
do the sub-compact tractors have power-up? My 4720 does and it is fantastic
No. They have a preset relief valve that I don’t recommend changing. There are many videos of guys doing that but they typically to turbocharge their hydraulic pump but too many issues with cylinder leaks and O ring blow outs
You know I'm highly impressed with your excavator skills as well as your techniques using the tractor. These are subcompact tractors so loader work is max rpm (.) Well, unless you are floating and smoothing a driveway. Unless you have.. Im not going there with the compacts or regular ones.. These are not something to be handled like their bigger brothers and surely not like a 80+ hp.
Cheers on the excavator techniques but yikes. This is just looking for something that wont work when not used correctly no matter what brand then trying to say whats better baised on nonsense.
Thanks. I have been using a subcompact tractor for 20 years for all kinds of loader work and my experience is you don’t need to be at max rpm and I never have been. The only time e my tractor is above 3000 rpm is when I mow. You can see from the video I am most comfortable at between 2500 and 3000 rpm when doing heavy loader work.
Even on the Kubota they have a range that says Loader Backhoe. I can assure you with 20 years experience I am running the tractor correctly. I understand this is a hot button but like I say in the video if you don’t believe what you see try it yourself.
Just from personal experience I went with Kubota on both my tractors (B2650 and BX23s) over John Deere for 2 major reasons. Customer experience at the dealership level and bang for the buck. Deere may have some marginal and I do mean marginal better performance in some areas when comparing the machines but not worthy of the prices you guys charge. I spec’ed comparable machines by both brands and it was head shoulders better with Kubota pricing. Combine that with attitudes at the dealerships and KTAC insurance, and I’m more than happy with my “under performing” orange brand.
Hi JollyG, thanks for taking the time to comment. I realize there can be poor dealership experiences issues at all dealerships. I am sorry to hear you had a poor experience with your local John Deere dealership. I am not sure the details of your local Kubota dealership and the KTAC insurance, but I have been told that it can run as high as $30 a month? I would love to see more videos of owners like you showing what your Kubotas will do! Please make some videos, post and share!
The JD dealer I went to wasn't interested in selling me anything considering the salesman's comment after looking at a JD X758, I asked him about the pricing difference between the X758 and a 1025R...figured may as well get a tractor with what the X758 was in cost. The salesman says why you can't afford one....so off I went to the Kubota dealer. Then after more research I'm glad I didn't go with JD and their proprietary coupler system on their loader...everyone else used an SSQA...JD wants you to buy their over-priced green loader attachments. In almost 3 years I haven't had a single issue with my BX2680, and won't do business with JD for any reason not with sales people like that, and I'm not the only one that has had similar experiences in my area with JD...there aren't many JD tractors around where I live either anymore.
@@wildbill23c Hi wild Bill thanks for responding! I am seriously asking for your help!! Please make a video of your tractor digging into a pile of dirt or rock like I do in this video. I have spent hours looking for any video of a Kubota Bx 2680 or Bx23S going into a pile and lifting out like I have been trying to do in this video but there just aren’t any to be found. Please respond in the comments with your video link. I would love to share with others. Thank you so much for helping with this in advance. I have a video of the BX2680 planned vs the 1023E but I would rather have an experienced Kubota operator showing what can be done on it rather than me. Thanks again!!
I think if you found someone who was used to operating the bx you would find a lot of the problems you cite would magically disappear. Better comparison here would be 1025 vs b2601
I agree the BX23S is not the tractor that matches with the 1025R, however as stated in the beginning of the video I have met several customers who have stated Kubota sales people are telling them they are the same. The BX2680 is the comparable to the 1025R. The B2601 is more comparable to the to the 3025E in looking at the specs of each. And for the 2 customers that traded in these tractors within a year and went with the 1025R The problems did not magically disappear. By the way I have a 1023E vs the BX2680 video coming soon.! Thanks for the comments!
He's in the wrong gear range, and wrong RPM...he has no clue what he's doing on that Kubota....and yes, the loader will do multiple functions at once contrary to what he says...I have the BX2680, the loader works just fine...its a sub-compact tractor the 10 series JD is larger.
@@wildbill23c Hi wild bill. I love your passion!! Please, please please make a video demonstrating the Kubotas ability to lift and curl with a load out of a pile of dirt or rock as you have described. I will gladly post the link to my website. I do have a video in the works planned of the BX2680 vs the John Deere 1023E planned but I would rather have an experienced operator running the Kubota. I was in low gear and 4wd. Should I be in 2wd? Thanks again for responding!
The treadle pedal and rotator backhoe seat are 2 huge negatives that would never let me consider a BX. I knew the loader was weak but I didn't know that engine/transmission would stall that easy. How do they sell these things!?🤨
The Kubota is a quality tractor. However I agree with the treadle pedal comment. It is tough to go back and forth constantly when you are used to the side by side. Thanks for the comments.
He don't know what he's doing on the BX....he's in high range, he should be in low range, and the loader functions best at around 2500RPM as shown on the tach in nice orange text...not a fault of the tractor but a fault of the operator for not paying attention to what he was doing. If you run that JD in high range, and low RPM it'll perform the same way.
Why not buy a bulldozer instead
@@leopapanagiotou1468 I am pretty sure the drive over mower deck would not have the same cutting height as the 1025R!
On kubota tractor, the bucket does NOT look level… looks like you go halfway into the load then hit the ground. 🙄 Hard to move the earth with only 24hp! As soon as you level out, then the bucket goes through the gravel.
Nothin runs like a Deere 👍🏻
Amen brother!
Until they don't....there's a guy down the highway from me that had a JD, didn't take him long to get rid of that pile of crap, it overheated on him all the time while mowing....he's got Kioti now.
You are operating the Kubota in high range, wrong gear selection, the tach tells you where to operate for loader use. You can do multiple functions at the same time with the Kubota....you just need a lot more practice with the Kubota.
The 1025R is a larger size machine, its a compact, VS the Kubota is a sub-compact.
Hi Wild Bill again! Yes the John Deere is larger and will do more than the BX23S…which is the point of this video as customers are telling me the Kubota sales people are telling them the BX23S is the same as the Deere 1025R. I agree with you 100% they are not the same. I disagree with you on the high gear range however, I am in low gear and 4wd. Please, please, please created a video under the same conditions. I love your passion!!
And please include in your video the ability of the Kubota to lift and curl at the same time while pulling out of a pile without backing up. It might be the tractor I am using is defective but I just could not get it to do that. Thanks for the help again!
@@EverythingGreenTractors Please learn to properly operate equipment before claiming something can't do what is advertised, plenty of videos out there showing how a Kubota loader functions.
Tractor you are using isn't defective just the operator's lack of knowledge on how it functions.
@@EverythingGreenTractors You are NOT in low range, its blatantly obviously just listening to the tractor when you were going into the pile I own a BX2680, I know how they sound and do when you are in the wrong range while trying to perform loader operations.
If I had time to create videos, I wouldn't be working a regular job. If you want videos go look for them. I don't have the stuff to do videos right now but if you send your equipment to me I can surely get it done.
@@wildbill23c Sorry Wild Bill look at the Range selector knob in the video, it is all the way forward, just like the owners manual says it should be to be in low range. I filmed the video so you can see the selector position.
Deere is more powerful than
Thanks for responding and watching
For the same money, I'm looking at a yanmar SA series. More lift power on the same motor as the Deere. Just all around stronger.
Thanks for sharing. I don’t think they have the exact same motors as Deere, but they are the same company that builds the motors for John Deere. They do make a good engine.
Dealer availability, parts and service are a huge factor with all tractors. Hopefully you are close to a dealer.
I've priced the SA tractors. The Yanmar Sub compact Sa 223 is no comparison to the john deere 1025r and the price difference is negligible. Then, you factor in the dealer support, parts availability, and finance options, it's a no brainer.
@@keithdunnivan8099 the closest dealer is 75 miles away from me so I am not familiar with them. I think your comments are spot on about parts and service! Thanks!
@@EverythingGreenTractors I'm on Maui. Only thing we are close to is the Pacific lol. Everything gets shipped here but there is a multi brand dealer on island who can service it. They may not be the same motor, but yanmar does build the all JD small 3 cylinder diesels.
@@keithdunnivan8099 Im looking more at the sa325, it's more of a extremely strong subcompact. Plus it's all their design, and that 10 year warranty is nice.
There’s nothing my 1025r can’t pick up or do that I ask it to. That kubota looks like a toy. Glad I didn’t buy that one.
Typical very poor comparison. Where did you dream up the 1800 rpm working range? Did you read the owner’s manual?
Hi Ross, to answer your question, the operation of the Kubota loader and backhoe is printed on the dashboard tachometer of the BX23S. It begins at 1800 and ends at 4000. All one has to do is to watch the video to see the operating range, or look up images on Google of BX23S Tachometer. I realize this is a trigger point for some, if you don't believe what you see go to a dealer and try it yourself. Since we do have 2 Kubota BX23S's on our lot and one BX2680 I will look it up and see what they say. Thanks for the suggestion!
@@EverythingGreenTractors Thanks for the very good comparison! Some people are just triggered too easily!
He don't even need the owner's manual...the Kubota tells you right on the Tach 2500RPM for loader/backhoe operation....he's just like most people doing comparisons, he's got his tractor he's gotta make everything else look bad to justify his tractor selection.
He's also operating in the wrong gear range, he should be in low range not high range.
To see which gear range I am in all you have to do is look at the fender below the joystick for the loader. The range control (high and low) and the 2wd 4wd selector levers are right there. Both are down and all the way forward. Up and back on both would be high gear and 2wd. I filmed specifically from this side of the tractor so people could see that.
@@EverythingGreenTractors Which you didn't show, and I don't need to see, I could hear it. You simply were not setting the Kubota up to do the job, you were purposefully setting it up for failure and not operating at the proper RPMs which is clearly written on the Tach.
I have a 1025r and does a great job.. But I heard John Deere has gone woke.Wow, If so I will never buy their products again.let me know if you find out this woke deal… Tractor supply back down…
Hi James, sorry for the delayed response, I have been very busy selling tractors. John Deere has released a statement on the social media concerns and laid out a direction the company will be focused on going forward. I encourage you to read this press release.
You have no idea how to use that kubota, you’re also incredibly bias.
Hi Cowrocket! I appreciate your passion for your Kubota! The purpose of this video is to share a comparison of the John Deere 1025R tractor vs the Kubota BX23S because my customers are telling me they have dealt with Kubota sales people that are saying the 1025R and the BX23S will operate the same. If you have a different experience with your BX23S than is demonstrated here please, please, please make a video demonstrating that it can push into a pile of dirt or rock and lift a full load like I am able to do with the Deere at idle. I realize I am not comfortable with the Kubota and say so all through my video. I would love to see your video showing me how it will do the things Deere is able to. Thank you so much for your help in advance! Thanks for responding!
Lot of Kubota butt hurt people commenting on here.