ASUS ProArt Z690 Creator WiFi Thunderbolt 4 Motherboard
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- Опубликовано: 20 ноя 2021
- Answering a Subscriber Question from Shannon. He's talking about Building again. This time on the ASUS ProArt Z690 Creator WiFi Thunderbolt 4 Motherboard for Content Creation using Adobe. He's already Build on the TRX40 Platform! We're going to look at the Motherboard, 16 Core CPU, Z690 Chipset and Outlines the What, Why and How about What Do You get. Does the Intel Z690 Deliver? No! After We extrapolate the Specs, Bifurcation and RAID, We'll then go into other 16 Core CPU Options from AMD. And also mention Dual Channel RAM, Quad Channel and 8 Channel RAM. We'll go over the Adobe AE MFR CPU Optimization Formula as it relates to this potential Build Spec. Links mentioned will be included in this Description below.
1. ASUS ProArt Z690-CREATOR WIFI
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2. ASUS ProArt Z690-CREATOR WIFI LGA 1700 ATX 90MB19H0-M0AAY0 B&H
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3. Intel Core i912900K Processor 30M Cache up to 5.20 GHz Product Specifications
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4. Intel Core i9-12900K 3.2 GHz 16-Core LGA 1700 Processor
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5. Intel Z690 Chipset
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6. Intel Core i9-12900K vs AMD Ryzen 9 5950X vs AMD Ryzen Threadripper PRO 3955WX [cpubenchmark.net] by PassMark Software
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7. AMD Ryzen Threadripper PRO 3955WX Workstation Processors
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8. AMD Ryzen 9 5950X - Gaming Desktop Processors - AMD
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9. AMD Ryzen Threadripper Desktop Processor
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10. Kingston FURY Beast DDR5 Memory - 16GB, 32GB-4800MHz, 5200MHz - Kingston Technology
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11. ASUS Hyper M.2 x16 Gen 4 Card [PCIe 4.0]
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12. ASUS Hyper M.2 x16 Card V2 [PCIe 3.0]
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13. [Motherboard] Compatibility of PCIE bifurcation between Hyper M.2 series Cards and Add-On Graphic Cards - Official Support -
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You give SUCH great, detailed information. I wish I could like this video a thousand times! You make amazing videos on by FAR one of the most important parts of a computer. Gonna go watch your X670E video now.
Keep up the incredible work.
Hi The Wright Network,
Welcome! Appreciate Your Comments! I'm honored! Absolutely amazing how this topic is obfuscated by Manufacturers. And We get to extrapolate those Details! In essence, Slots and Storage. This next Video We start delving into Specific X670E Motherboard Configurations with the Gigabyte X670E Aorus Extreme Motherboard! And We're going to Compare that Motherboard Block Diagram with a TRX40 and WRX80 Motherboard to further highlight Shared vs Dedicated PCIe Resources! Thanks for Watching!
Subbed!! Awesome stuff that no one does anymore. I appreciate all the information given in this video!!
Hi Seng Yang,
Welcome! Fantastic! I'm honored Appreciate Your Comments! This helps Us to make better Videos!
This is by far the best content from a really fabulous educator that you can find on You Tube - really awesome……..
Hi Neil Pattison,
Welcome! I'm honored! Thank You! Appreciate Your Comments!
Thanks for this review. It was wonderful. You really save time and money for real people doing real work and rendering. Keep it up.
Hi Сергей Хорецкий,
Thanks for Your Feedback! I'm honored! All about the PCIe Resources! We're just extrapolating and digesting! Our Goal, Keep it Simple and Make it Work! And another Z690 Motherboard in next Video to digest the What, Why and How. Stay Tuned!
Gill, I only discovered your channel today and I appreciate your help navigating what appears to be a specification minefield. I have subscribed, and I have started working my way through some of your relevant (to me) videos. On a side note, this video reminded me of the Adobe Premiere Pro Hardware forum, (now called 'Video Hardware'). Those guys were super helpful when I built my seven year old i9 7900X, and the system before that. This was in the days of Bill Gehrke & Harm Millaard - Harm passed away several years ago - and the PPBM5 benchmark and its extensive result table. The Adobe Video forum is a good place to ask your questions about NLE hardware, even if Harm and Bill G no longer post there.
Hi Trevor Dennis,
Glad You found Us! Thanks for Sharing! Adobe has since developed the Adobe After Effects Multi Frame Rendering CPU Optimization Formula which states as follows:
1. CPU Cores x 4 = RAM
2. CPU Core Count = VRAM
Those 3 Numbers are a starting point. A Clear and concise Formula for Video Rendering! Yes We have a Video on that!
Hi Gill, thanks a lot for the analysis on the Z690 chipset... very much appreciated.
Keep up with the good work =)
Hi Immortal Zodd,
Thank You for Watching! Appreciate Your Support! The Z690 is a crazy mess!
Hi Immortal Zodd,
In this next video We're going to look at another ASUS Z690 with an M.2 NVMe Dual Adapter and go through the PCIe Resources for the What, Why and How. Stay Tuned!
Great video! I watched it because I'm looking to buy the Z790 Creator board. I wish you'd make an updated video, maybe only highlighting the differences between the Z790 and the Z690. Thank you!
Hi Alex Greu de gasit,
Welcome! Appreciate Your Comments! Excellent Question! Not a lot. Z790, more Motherboard variants supporting Thunderbolt 4, more 20Gbps USB-C 2X2 Ports, more M.2 NVMe PCIe 4.0 Drives; higher RAM Bandwidth. Same Chipset PCIe Lane count. No performance difference. Not enough facts for a Video. Just a newer Intel Chipset as the Z690 Motherboards are being Retired as EOL. What looks promising is the W790 Chipset for a HEDT! DDR5 ECC Support! We're working on it! Hope that helps!
Thank you for your time. Great information.
Hi Ben Talbot,
Appreciate Your Comments! Hope that helps! Thanks for Watching!
Looking forward to watching this! As a 3D artist I appreciate your dedication to covering high end workstation hardware.
Hi James Conkle,
Welcome! Appreciate Your Comments! Tell Us more about Your 3D applications? We've been asked to assemble Build Specs for Motion Capture PC Build. For a Workstation, You need either a TRX40 HEDT or a WRX80 Workstation. More PCIe Resources.
@@BuildOrBuy Glad you asked! I use both C4D and Houdini for my DCC applications which is tricky because Cinema prefers single core speed but Houdini can use a lot of cores when running time consuming simulations. In my current built I use a 3970x in an Asrock trx40 creator motherboard I got for the 4 pcie slots but I can’t handle the heat or noise of 4 GPU. Speaking of which my render engine is Octane which scales extremely well with multiple GPU so I’m running dual 3090 (one a EVGA hybrid and another founders edition card - odd combo I know but my favorite after trying two hybrid in my chassis. Having one hybrid AIO cooler in the top exhausting and one in the front position I’m taking overheated the system to where it shutdown! Two founders cards also dumped a lot of heat into the CPU but not as much. I found the “hybrid hybrid” approach able to handle the heat and stay quiet).
I don’t work with mocap data so I’m not sure of their workflow but I’d imagine that’s not very multithreaded.
I do have a question though. I bought 4x16GB of Kingston 2666 ECC memory a year ago and then bought the same SKU a few months ago but the seller accidentally sent very similar memory but in 3200MHz that I haven’t replaced yet. How bad is it to use both sets of memory? It looks like it’s all at 2666MHz and on separate channels so maybe I’m not loosing much performance? It doesn’t feel kosher that’s for sure😅
Hi@@jamesconkle9158,
Absolutely! Those details as to what You're using matter greatly in the setup You're using! And this is definitely an interesting Hybrid setup! As for the Memory, We always recommend matched. It's ECC, You should be able to custom set the timings to match. Or install them and see what happens. We have not set custom timings for ECC yet. RAM of different speeds should operate at the slowest common denominator. That's how it use to be. Mixing RAMS can lead to stability issues but that's what ECC is about. Keep Us Posted!
@@BuildOrBuy ...I watched this video because I've been an "Electronics Junkie" after I was born in 1958. The configuration & priorities very well addressed in this Educational Tutorial aren't my concern. I watched because I'm listening to a well-presented lecture about high-end electronics. I'm watching @ .75 speed so I can absorb it...Almost at the end of the video, after 39 minutes, the man says, "Does it come with a feather, or, a bar of soap"? Dam, boy...The time spent was worth that comment which sums up what I thought of the Computer Kit reviewed, anyway. Thank you, Sir! 🇺🇸 😎👍☕
Hi@@lilblackduc7312,
I'm honored! Taking an objective perspective on Motherboards, seems too many Viewers are emotionally attached. We need to be more analytical in the facts. That goes to the obfuscation from Vendors. An Overview helps maintain a more objective perspective. We're all about Function over Form. Classifying Motherboards according to Consumer Desktop Motherboards, HEDT and Workstations, We can more clearly see how Consumer Desktop Motherboards are more like swag! Not enough Resources. And I can't believe what Consumers are willing to put up with from Intel. Marketing! We learned a long time ago, Chipsets Rule! That tells Us a lot about a Platform. We're trying to help Viewers understand Resources and how that affects the Configuration and Longevity of a Successful Build. Appreciate Your Comments! You saw what We saw, smoke and mirrors! Call it like it is! Keep it Simple and Make it Work!
Deep dive into the nuts and bolts beyond the hype. Valuable and golden. I will have to take a step back and access my options for workstation build. Keep it up.
Hi Swaleh,
Welcome! Absolutely! I'm honored! That's a good example of changing one thing changes everything! Workstation Build, ECC! Consumer Desktop or Workstation. List Your Top 5 requirements and examine Specs from that Perspective. We're in the Process of working through several Motherboard Overviews based on Slots and Storage for PCIe Resource allocations. DDR5 ECC is on the List of Topics We've been asked to cover! What's Your Render engine? You want a Purpose Built Computer!
@@BuildOrBuy I'm on Lenovo P15v. Need an upgrade to handle GNS3 network topologies, NS3 workloads, Cad drafting, GIS workloads and coding....those are pretty much my tasks hehe
Hi@@swalehhussein694,
This would definitely be an Upgrade. Doing that type of work, You would benefit from DDR5 ECC RAM. But that would be more of a Business Workstation on the Intel W680 Chipset.
@@BuildOrBuy The W680 and the Z690 chipset aren't that far apart. The W680 gives more stability with the ECC memory. Which is a + for intense mission critical workloads.
Hi@@swalehhussein694,
Absolutely! Thought that might be helpful and of interest! We'll be working on that W680 Business Workstation Video shortly. Finishing up next Requested X670E Motherboard Overview Video for next Video Premiere!
great video as always!
Hi whittymusic,
Hope You had a good Thanksgiving! Appreciate Your Comments! Thanks for Watching!
thanks for your work! Tricky Dickies!!
Hi Michael Perry,
Welcome! Appreciate Your Perspective! Thanks for Watching!
Excellent knowledgeable video.
Hi Harvinder,
Welcome! Appreciate Your Comments! Knowledge should be shared! Thank You!
Phenomenal video
Hi Matthew Schwartz,
Welcome! Outstanding! Appreciate Your Comments! Thanks for Watching! If You need help, let's talk Motherboard Chipsets!
Great video Gill. I do have a question though. I was mainly interested in this board because of onboard TB4, Bluetooth 5 and 10GB ethernet. Currently I have a Z390A Prime board and require 3 add-in cards to get those features (except TB3 not 4). I don't do video creation, so an RTX 2060 video card that has 10 bits per channel (a must) is more than adequate. Is this MOBO a decent choice if I only want to add a video card (with zero other add-in cards) an NVMe boot drive and one data drive (no RAID)? Do I have a better option with onboard TB4, BT5 and 10GB network? Dual channel DDR4 is fine for my use.
Hi Robert A.,
Welcome! Appreciate Your Comments! For the money and based on Your Requirements and as long as You know what You're getting, no. I would prefer Intel instead of Marvell for 10GbE but it is what it is. And Yes, stick with DDR4. Been working on next video! Hope that helps!
I was thinking about this board because of the built in 10gbe so I can access my NAS, built in thunderbolt to access my peripherals and screen in another room, and built in wifi for when the computer is on the move. I like that there's no needed add in cards for everything I'm looking for. I do photo and light video editing plus gaming. I've pre-ordered the 13700kf. Should I reconsider my board choice?
Hi Jonathan,
Welcome! Excellent Question! Our Goal is to Inform and Educate about Slots and Storage and PCIe Lane allocations to understand limitations.
If You List Your Top 5 Requirements and this Motherboard meets those Requirements, then You're in Business!
Using a 16 Core CPU. Is that enough CPU Cores? For Content Creation Rendering, We use the Adobe AE MFR CPU Optimization Formula.
1. CPU Cores x 4 = RAM
2. CPU Core Count = VRAM
Since We focus on Resources, We lean toward a Workstation. Think about How many CPU PCIe Lanes and how many Chipset PCIe Lanes You have. If You require more then You need a Platform that has more of both! Hope that helps! Thanks for Asking!
The new ASUS z-790 in conjunction with the Intel ci 9-13900 is supposed to be able to run the ddr5 chipset at proper speeds with an adjustment to the BIOs which from the factory limits the speed and allows the DDR5 chips to operate at stated speeds with 4 chip installed(128GB). Any news on this?~ The z-790 is largely identical to the z-690 but is it running hot in overclocking?
Hi mark,
Good question. Intel i9 13900 is designed to run hot. Z790 Identical in Performance to Z690. DDR5 Is definitely the Future! G.Skill is already talking about DDR5-8000 on Z790 Chipset. Stick to QVLs! Validated! Faster, Denser. Hotter. Good Question. Don't know yet. Heat causes Throttling! In Bios, under RAS, turn on ECC. That's only On-die ECC, not Sideband ECC. To minimize Memory Errors. Most everything We're seeing is related to AMD X670E Chipset. Intel side has been quiet for Us! Lots of talk about DDR5 on Consumer Desktop Motherboards though. If and when We hear anything worth repeating, We will! Thanks for Asking! Our next Video is looking like explaining DDR5 as it relates to X670E Chipset based on overall Questions We're receiving right now! A fascinating time to be Building a Purpose Built Computer!
what if we populate all 4 sata ports wd hdd/ssd and all gen4 m.2 slots wd gen 3 nvme then how will the chipset lanes get distributed in asus z690 tuf wifi board.
it is hving 12 pci gen 4 lanes and 16 pci gen 3 lanes available which sum upto 28.
Hi Nishant Kumar,
Welcome! Lane count remains constant. What We know to be true... To reiterate,
PCIe Lanes remain constant for backward compatibility. Speed of the PCIe Lanes does not matter in that respect. Any M.2 NVMe PCIe SSD Drive requires 4 PCIe Lanes. Whether PCIe 3.0, 4.0 or 5.0.
To reiterate, the Primary Chipset has 8 useable PCIe 4.0 Chipset Lanes. The secondary Chipset has 12 usable PCIe 4.0 Chipset Lanes. And the CPU has 24 Useable CPU Lanes. 16 PCIe 5.0 CPU Lanes plus 4 PCIe 5.0 CPU Lanes plus 5 General Purpose Processor Lanes which are also PCIe 5.0 and could be for either an M.2 or Thunderbolt/ USB4.
If Thunderbolt / USB4 is present, based on the Spec, those are PCIe 3.0 Lanes. AMD then identifies 4 more CPU PCIe 5.0 Lanes which are downgraded to PCIe 4.0 to connect CPU to Primary Chipset. We then count 4 more CPU Lanes for what We refer to as absolute Lanes to handle the other Devices hanging off the CPU. A Motherboard Block Diagram makes that easier to see. Without that We have to reverse Engineer that Info based on Diagrams from other Motherboard Manufacturers.
On this Motherboard, those 4 SATA Ports are Dedicated. Each SATA Port onbthis Motherboard is using 1 Chipset PCIe Lane hence 4 SATA Ports, 4 Chipset PCIe 3.0 Lanes. A prioritization of Devices according to PCIe Resources. Hope that helps!
Sir if you are read my comment, please can you make another video to compare z690 motherboard with Asus proart z790 ? I know it is a lot to ask. But should we go for z690 proart motherboard with 13th gen cpu or get z790?I mean what we get with z790 ober z690m
Hello Muhammad,
Greetings! Appreciate Your plea! An issue of Design vs Implementation. The Z790 looks great by Design. Not a lot of difference with the Z690. The Z790 is a neutered Chipset from Our Perspective. We prefer a Motherboard Overview before proceeding further. The only difference is an extra USB 3.2 Gen 2 X 2 20Gbps USB-C port. Not enough for a Video. The bigger difference may lie in the Thunderbolt implementation. In other words, does the Z690 Thunderbolt implementation support PCIe Tunneling. Hope that helps!
I was anxious to build the z690 but pretty much walked myself through the comparisons and the pro creator was at the top of my list. But I realized the z690 is underpowered for the required DDR5 ram it just didn't add up. I was originally considering the Mac studio Max but it's so prioritized and unmodifiable,, even though it's solid thunderbolt item its just not flexible. Thanks for the video.
Hi mark,
Welcome! Now You're possibility thinking! Excellent! Priorities. By Project Requirements. By Interface. By CPU Cores or by CPU PCIe Lanes.
We contend, the Consumer Desktop Motherboard is over priced and underpowered as You've stated. You're a candidate for either a HEDT or Workstation. Specifically WRX80 Workstation, Threadripper Pro! We can help You Configure what You want and need! All about Options! 28 / 24 CPU PCIe Lanes or 128 CPU PCIe Lanes! We count CPU Cores by CPU PCIe Lanes. Better value!
@@BuildOrBuy will take into due consideration thanks, I still have learning to do regarding the PCLe lanes and all the bifurcation issues. I am almost 72 so this is most likely my last computer. I have been working DAW audio since 2016 and was a pro musician for 28 years as well. I need a humble collection of virtual instruments and more than enough power to not crash after 30 plugins and 26 tracks. Thunderbolt seems like the only latency killer for midi control,, at least it's a cheaper option than an RME USB speedo,, $$. I'll be watching Buddy!
Hi@@mark-ze4en,
Not last... next! Enjoy Your Build and keep making Music! Keeps Us Young! Thunderbolt, ok. Two Workstation Motherboard options. Thunderbolt 3, Gigabyte. Hard to Source right now. Thunderbolt 4, ASRock WRX80 Creator Workstation Motherboard! I'm honored! The ASRock also out of stock, ETA 10-14-2022. Big demand!
BTW: What's Your DAW software? With Virtual Instruments like Native Instruments, Ik Multimedia and Steinberg, You'll benefit from M.2 NVMe PCIe SSD Storage for faster loading!
@@BuildOrBuy yes I was planning on the Samsung 980 pro for the operation disk and a Samsung 870 Evo for the storage. I am currently using Reaper for my Daw
Hi@@mark-ze4en,
Good layout. Have heard of, but have not used Reaper. Love the Licensing strategy. Smart choice!
Can you show step by step how to get Asus ProArt Z690 Creator Wifi to run Raid 10 with 4, 1TB NVMe ssd M.2, I have been in contact with Asus and that is a nightmare. From the Bios to the loading of windows which need Intel RST Driver loaded before Windows???
Hi Steven Krontz,
Welcome! Great idea! However, We do not currently have access to a Z690 Motherboard. We have several Videos on this Process with X399 and TRX40 Motherboards. Even though, those are Specific to AMD, some Steps apply to both Platforms, generically. We can create a Video and Outline those Steps Specific to Your Question but to reiterate, We do not have access to a Z690 Motherboard right now. You're not the first to ask! We're also getting Questions on Showing how Intel RST works on the X299 without VROC. Same situation. We'll get those Video links together for You. They each contain a Description under each Video of the Procedures involved. All of those Steps matter for a Successful RAID installation! Let Us know if that would be helpful.
Hi,and thank you for the detailed explanations. With the latest Update - from 30.12.2021 - of the "Compatibility of PCIE bifurcation between Hyper M.2 series Cards and Add-On Graphic Cards" on the ASUS web site, the support concerning "PCIe bifurcation" for SSD Drives on the 16_1 and 16_2 Slots seem to have been changed/corrected. Actually the Asus Proart Z690 Creator Wifi seems only to support only 1 drive on Slot 1 OR Slot 3 of the Hyper M.2 x16 Adapter and not 2 drives anymore. Strange... either the listet 2**/0 configuration was an error or the support was changed with a later Bios update. I will find it out the hard way as i allready have to motherboard on a i9 12900K build and ordered the Hyper M.2 x 16 Adapter to place to Pcie 4.0 SSD drives :) Kind regards
Hi orlando,
Welcome! Sorry to take so long in responding! Videos! And more Responses than You can imagine! I'm honored! We've had 2 other Motherboards on that document change. Both are X299. Nothing is etched in stone! No matter what We read, the only thing that matters is what Viewers see in their respective Bios. We can describe generically what to look for but getting that detail right specifically, is becoming a moving target with ASUS. That's why of recent We're only mentioning that document in the Video Description but not showing it. Keep Us Posted on Your Progress, definitely!
Not sure about the Proart but the RoG Maximus Z690 Hero, an a few others come with a two slot M.2 expansion card that will recognize both drives and allow 3 NVME drives at 4.0 in Raid thru the chipset.
Hi Chris S,
Glad you've brought that up! We'll Discuss the PCIe Resources and the ASUS ROG Dual M.2 NVMe Adapter as it relates to PCIe 5.0 on that Motherboard in Our next Video, Answering Subscribers Questions! Stay Tuned!
While I am not certain I don't think Z690 is going to support PCIe 5.0 NVME in onboard slots, only thru the PCIe slots.
I built on the board I mentioned. Raid 0 thru the chipset is slower that expected giving me just a little over the speed of 2 drives on a 3 drive array but its fast enough for my needs. I'm running Linux mdadm software Raid as my distro doesn't support Intel RST directly.
I just read up on the Z690 chipset. The DMI interface is DMI 4.0 x8, meaning the same speed as an x8 PCIe 4.0 slot. That means everything on the PCH communicates to the CPU at PCIe 4.0 x8 total bandwidth. That explains why my 3 drive raid 0 array is only going about 15gb/s, it's maxed out the bandwith to the CPU.
So clearly this is just a very nice desktop chipset but not an HEDT or production type chipset, which is fine for who it's marketed too. What I would like to see (if 12th gen can support it, is an x16 DMI chipset, allowing full speed from a 4 NVME drive array. I think the CPU deserves it if it has the capability.
Hi@@chriss377,
x16 DMI chipset, that would be a feat! Especially from Intel. Besides, that's beyond even a Workstation type of feature. The only way to get the Bandwidth for PCIe Slots is direct to the CPU and not through the Chipset. Intel is suppose to be refreshing their HEDT next year which right now is the x299 on PCIe 3.0. However, just not enough PCIe Lanes to go around on the lower end CPUs and Chipsets! Bummer, right! Thanks for Sharing!
Nice
Hi oi3,
Thank You for Watching!
Reached out to Gill with the following:
Gill - subscribed to your You Tube channel and love you videos and knowledge. Wondered if you had some advice - I have a Gigabyte Designare TRX40 with a 3960x running 128gb of ram and I’ve installed the Titan Ridge for thunderbolt - I had an nVidia RTX5000 and had a chance to install another and wanted to SLI them together with an nVidia bridge. Successfully installed the second drive and nVidia app recognised the second card. I’ve now realised that the two cards are in slot one and slot two on the motherboard and they are now in a 16way and 8way electrical slot respectively. I don’t (as yet) have the AORuS installed in the second 16way electrical slot and have realised there is not a five way bridge that would SLI between slot one and slot three. Is this a problem and what should I be looking for to solve the problem? Is there another board I could use that would get both cards into both 16way slots and still keep the thunderbolt and TRX40? Advice and options would gratefully be received. Many thanks - Neil Pattison Harrogate UK
And queried the following:
Hey Gill the honour is mine I think you are a phenomenal educator.
Thanks for the reply.
I didn’t realise that the bridge needed to be 4 slot for some reason I thought five - weirdly! As I have the two RTX5000 cards I will try and obtain one and go for it.
Before I do I will check out the Titan and get it all properly installed.
I have a Black Jet thunderbolt box but not the rack mounted one which is why I built the PC a year or so ago.
If I reinstall the Titan in slot two with the two RTX’s in slots one and three the 16 lane electrical slots with the bridge then I’m guessing I could get rid of the AORUS and use a Glotrends Sky card in the electrical 8 lane fourth slot?
I have a 2tb M.2 boot drive and a local 8tb SATA
My backup is a Qnap NAS TVS-672XT which has a thunderbolt card and Wi-Fi card installed with 2x2tb M.2 Gen 3 as a local cache to that.
By all means do a video as it would expand what you have to backups etc.
Just great content you produce so informative….
Hi Neil Pattison,
Welcome! Enjoyed Our conversation! Working on a Video response to Share, Answering Subscribers Questions! Right now starting with Choosing TRX40 or WRX80. Then another Video moving into either Storage or Thunderbolt Storage. We need that ASRock ATX WRX80 Thunderbolt Motherboard for a Rackmount! Stay Tuned!
Would you choose this ASUS Pro Art Z690 Creator or the MSI MEG UNIFY Z690 for Audio production and engineering?
Hi 2thicc beats,
Welcome! Tell Us about Your Audio interface? And DAW software?
@@BuildOrBuy Hi, I use Fl studio and Pro tools. Will start using Ableton too.
Today was the last the day to return the MSI MEG UNIFY z690 according to return policy.
I ended up keeping my build but will put it up for sale or will transfer to a quieter chassis for studio purposes.
It was my first build and I now realize I could have saved a lot of $ with a DDR4 build and that the articles online about "DPC latency" are nonsense.
Glad I found your channel!
@@BuildOrBuy OH! sorry, Audio Interface: MOTU M2
Thanks for the detailed explanation. My 12-year-old DELL died finally XPS 9000, i7-960. So planning to replace. This time I am using system integrators instead of Dell as upgrading a Dell XPS was a nightmare. If I go for 12900k what motherboard would you suggest? Proart Z690 and ASUS ROG Strix Z690-F Gaming are within my budget. Usually, i keep my PC for 10 years minimum. The last 2 were XPS 4 dimension and XPS 9000. Usage I do some animation. Streaming. video editing also coding
Hi Uthaman J,
Welcome! For a 10 year Build I would suggest a TRX40 HEDT or WRX80 Workstation. Either of those would be AMD. For anything below that, You're looking at a 2 to 3 Year Computer. Dell's are a hassle to upgrade and are limited in upgradeability as You have experienced.
If going with Z690, stick with DDR4. Computers now are all about PCIe Resources. If that is not a concern then Z690. ASUS currently has 16 Z690 Motherboards. Personally I prefer the ProArt line. However, both of the ones You've mentioned are DDR5 which is scarce unless You have a Source.
PC Part Picker for a quick Comparison
pcpartpicker.com/products/compare/wQBG3C,tPYmP6/
The ProArt has 10GbE if that matters. And a 16 Core CPU. For Your work, You could use more CPU Cores. To reiterate, that would require a HEDT or a Workstation.
Here's a link for the ProArt:
ASUS ProArt Z690-Creator WiFi 6E LGA 1700(Intel 12th Gen) ATX Content Creator Motherboard(PCIe 5.0,DDR5,2X Thunderbolt 4,10G&2.5G LAN,4xM.2,Front Panel USB 3.2 Gen2x2 Type-C Ports)
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BTW: What GPU are You going to use?
@@BuildOrBuy GPU 3070Ti. All the parts are available with a system integrator. By the way, after posting here I found an interesting video about Z690 Hero motherboard catching fire due to an inverted memory capacitor. They probably will issue a recall. It is one of their flagship models. So I am going to sit tight and wait for 6 more months and see the performance of these mobos. For now, i will buy something cheap Thanks for taking the time to provide me the options. Much appreciated.
Hi@@uthamanj6454,
Good GPU selection. The inverted memory capacitor was a big deal. Be glad You've waited. Quality Control is becoming problem for everyone lately. Good plan to wait. You might change Your mind for something better! Hope that helps! We like Options! Keep Us Posted on Your Progress!
@@BuildOrBuy Thank you. I managed to fix my 12-year-old XPS. So I can wait for some more time. A separate 4 pin wire from the power supply to mobo was loose. I have fixed it. Now the thermal throttling is gone. the core temperature went from 100 deg to 45 deg.
Hi@@uthamanj6454,
Good thing You found the problem! Let's talk in a few months and explore new Options!
Does this TB4 motherboard support dual monitors? my TB3 motherboard only supports 1 and im thinking of upgrrading to intel
Hi Joel Di Ramon,
Welcome! That Depends upon the GPU. There's a Chart in the Motherboard PDF Manual on Page 60 that explains this. In a nutshell...
A:
DP-IN 1 NO input
DP-IN 2 NO input ...Only USB C 1 has Output using integrated Graphics.
D:
DP-IN 1 with input
DP-IN 2 with input ...Both USB-C 1 and USB-C 2 have Output using external Graphics.
Crazy, right. Hope this helps! Thanks to Asking!
Note: "Thunderbolt 4 includes support for DisplayPort 2.0, allowing it to power up to three 10K monitors at the same time, or one 16K monitor at 60Hz. Thunderbolt 3 supports DP 1.4 and has enough bandwidth to support two 4K (3840 x 2160) displays at 60 Hz, a single 4K at 120 Hz or a single 5K display at 60 Hz."
www.tripplite.com/products/thunderbolt-4#:~:text=Thunderbolt%204%20includes%20support%20for,5K%20display%20at%2060%20Hz.
@@BuildOrBuy thank you! that was a very fast response and appreciate your help. I have two monitors that are 4K 120hz so I don't think TB3 will help here. that's the answer that I was looking for
Hi@@joeldiramon8538,
Absolutely! Good timing! Working on next Video! Besides, You're making decisions and needed answers! I can relate. 4K 120hz is the kicker. Thought that might be the issue. Perfect! Details matter! Glad We could help! Thanks for Watching! Keep Us Posted on Your decision. This helps Us to make better Videos!
Great video, tons of data ... my personal challenge is to get a board that is capable of two GPU's while still clearing the bottom of the mb to get the Q connector out to the front panel of the case. Many morherboard dont give you that clearance so I need a three slot MB to assure I can use the two GPU's.
Hi Claus Bohm,
Welcome! From what You've described, You would also like both of those PCIe Slots to be X16, electrically. You're a candidate for a TRX40 HEDT. Since that Platform is being abandoned by AMD, suggest moving up to a Workstation Motherboard such as the WRX80 Threadripper Pro Platform! Plenty of PCIe Resources. Just watch the Motherboard size to fit Your Case! Sounds like You're using either an ASUS or Gigabyte Motherboard. Tell Us more!
@@BuildOrBuy So from that adobe formula and taking advantage of the future, the system components should have 2 4080Ti's (16GBVram), 4800 64GB DDR5, 16 core i7-13700K. That would be the best bang for my bucks, right? Then use a Samsung 2T M.2 c drive while using the 2 thunderbolt connections for video out drive (first) & storage drive (second) for the animation work I will be doing (mini animation movies w/Maya,Blender,Houdini)? 4 PCI lanes for the c drive, 8 lanes each for the GPU's. If that works then the Pro Art would suffice while saving HUGE amounts of cash! I may lose about 20% in PCI lane efficiency but save literally several thousands of dollars when you start adding up all the component for the Asus Sage, maybe use some of those saved dollars to upgrade to 4090's (for the extra cuda cores).
Hi@@clausbohm9807,
A Desktop. Yes. You might want to think about 1 GPU like an RTX A5000, liquid Cooled since those run hot. Options!
The Render engines do not Combine VRAM. In other words, the Rendering data must be copied to each GPU. Hope that helps!
@@BuildOrBuy Yeh, I kinda know about the Vram limit. I was hoping programs like Blender, maya and houdini can make use of the nvlink. Just realized (remembered) that my asus strix x299 board is powered by a 44 pci lane i9-7980xe ... So back to my initial idea of figuring out how to get two of the newer cards on the board that can do 16x16x8.
Hi@@clausbohm9807,
Changing 1 thing, changes everything! You have an X299? All You need are the GPUs! Create the Dataset. Test and Verify both ways on 1 vs 2 GPUs. And let Us know Your Results!
Hey Gill, was about to purchase a z690, i9, ddr4 build until I watched this video. I believed the marketing/advertising. Whoa... For my needs, where do I begin? MS Office 365 & Adobe Photoshop/Lightroom for still photography 95% of the time. 5% video lite. Suggestions of where to research?
Hi Michael Nelson,
Welcome! An eye opener! The What, Why and How.. Depends upon Your requirements. We're pointing out deficiencies. Most Viewers, based on questions We're fielding, are asking about Upgrades for various functions and Components such as Storage. For a purpose Built Computer, We need to consider options for Shared vs Dedicated PCIe Resources. We suggest, as a Guideline, to start with the Adobe After Effects Multi-Frame Rendering, CPU Optimization Formula, as follows:
1. CPU Cores x 4 = RAM
2. CPU Core Count = VRAM
We can see where this will benefit Your needs. If You Build, as intended, You'll be ready for a new Computer in 18 to 24 months. How old is Your previous Computer? You would benefit from a Workstation now as well as later since that Platform would offer longevity. Hope that helps!
What power supply is compatible with this motherboard?
Hi Chrom Iris,
Any PSU will be compatible. However, for Capacity and Brand, I'd recommend 750 watts. We prefer Fully Modular. Seasonic, Super Flower, EVGA or Be Quiet are all good. Whatever Brand You purchase, figure out who makes it! There are a lot of junk PSUs out there! Hope that helps! Thanks for Asking!
Hello friend witch ddr4 frenquency do u recomend me for 5600x i aleardy did buy new mb Gigabyte Technology B550 Gaming X V2 Zócalo AM4 ATX AMD B550 i like this mb cause it haves all i need and good price too mb supports this rams frenquencies 2133,2400,2667,2933,3200,3300,3333,3400,3466,3600,3733,3800,3866,4000,4266,4400,4733 MHz i have 4 ddr4 rams all 2400 should i upgrade? the rams? if yes witch frenquencie min u recomend
Hi oi3,
If You already have RAM, stick with what You have. It's Paid for. If You did not, Suggest DDR4-3600. According to AMD And Phison for I/O Optimization, DDR4-3600 is the best place as Outlined in the 6 Tweaks for the Ryzen using the AMD Ryzen Master Utility. Great Question! Hope that helps! Success on Your Build!
@@BuildOrBuy ty so mutch
@@BuildOrBuy i have 2x 8gb ddr4 2400 and 2x 16gb ddr4 2400 48gb ram total
HI@@oi3,
Absolutely! Thanks for Asking!
HI@@oi3,
Typically We want to use the same, like kind matched in all Slots. Yes You can do what You're proposing. However, Don't! Only use 2 stick's of whatever You choose for maximum performance of Dual Channel. When Using all 4 Sticks, You'll have a Performance degradation. Test and verify.
What motherboard would be good for 4k editing? I was going to build a I9 12900k, z690 proart, rtx 3090, 64gb ram DDR4 3200, 1 m.2 for operating system-apps and programs, 2x m.2 for storage firecuda 530. What would be a better motherboard to use? It can be an AMD if needed?
Hi D L,
Welcome! What's Your Rendering engine?
We work with the Adobe After Effects Multi Frame Rendering CPU Optimization Formula. Which states:
1. CPU Cores x 4 = RAM
2. CPU Core Count = VRAM
Are You set on 16 CPU Cores? Do You need more Rendering capabilities? A Threadripper Pro WRX80 Workstation of 32 CPU Cores and 128 CPU PCIe Lanes is a better long term value. Tell Us more about Your requirements.
@@BuildOrBuy Basically, i would like to get into flying a drone commercialy. Not sure of what software to use yet. This is the drone i will be shooting with. DJI Mavic 3 cine. I just know my current set up will not be enough. I would like to stay around $2500-$3500 for the build for now.
How about: AMD Ryzen Threadripper PRO 3955WX 16-core, 32-thread desktop processor and ASUS Pro WS WRX80E-SAGE SE WIFI AMD Threadripper Pro EATX workstation motherboard
@@BuildOrBuy So after watching 20 or so hours of your videos. All i can say is WOW. You are so helpful. So to sum up my questions above. I think after seeing your videos and taking in consideration my starting finances. I think this may work: ASROCK WRX80 CREATOR, 3955WX,.128GB DDR4 3200 RAM AND RTX3090. This should get me started and has alot of room to grow. What do you think? Also how should i add and where to add all the m.2's?
Hi@@dl855,
I'm honored! Now You have a better Overview grasp of Options! Smart choices! You have a basis for knowing what, why and how! All about Content Creation Rendering! Success on Your Build!
BTW: Which RTX 3090 are You contemplating? Based on Slot Width? And get a Quality name brand Power Supply like EVGA or SeaSonic! Fully Modular.
Hi Gill, interested in our latest Thunderbolt 4 Mini dock?😎
Hi QGeeM Tech,
Welcome! I'd be honored! However, We can only test Thunderbolt 3 connectivity at the present. Let Us know if that still works for You. Thank You for Contacting Us!
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Hi oi3,
Appreciate Your Support!
First I want to take the time to appreciate your help.
I'm looking to build my 1st pc, its replacing my Samsung notebook (NP940X5N-X01US). The build is primarily for work, I mainly do graphic art/design (photoshop & Illustrator), but I also like to make music on fl studios (for fun that is not professionally). I've been recommended the i9 12900k, RTX 3080 Ti, and a Motherboard with thunderbolt 4.
CPU: Intel Core i9-12900K 3.2 GHz 16-Core Processor
Motherboard: Asus ProArt Z690-CREATOR WIFI ATX LGA1700 Motherboard
Video Card: Gigabyte GeForce RTX 3080 Ti 12 GB GAMING OC Video Card
Hi BITTER BANIT,
Welcome! Tell Us about Your Audio interface of choice?
@@BuildOrBuy @BuildOrBuy thanks for the reply. sadly I don't have an audio interface at the moment, I power my headphones through my topping mx5. Like I said I'm not a professional when it comes to music , just as a hobby. I plan to purchase one just not sure which one yet.
@@BuildOrBuy I think im gonna wait for amd ryzen 7000 series to see what prices look in the market as a whole
Hi@@bitterbandit,
Sorry for not responding sooner! Had my hands full! That would be a wise decision. You're only talking maybe 6 months. Keep working on the Research! October 2022 should be very interesting if everything goes according to what We're seeing!
@@BuildOrBuy np 😊
The fact that you even take time out you day to help people is awesome thanks
10 minutes video is sufficient.
Hi Harvinder Singh,
Welcome! Impossible when laying out Slots and Storage for PCIe Resource allocations. Thank You for Your Comments!
One of the easiest people to listen to on the platform.
Hi Kemaro,
Welcome! I'm honored! Appreciate Your Comments! Thanks for Watching!
@@BuildOrBuy Not a Problem! Thanks for the highly detailed videos. So easy to learn new things watching them. 👍
Hi@@aro7975,
And We're just hitting the high points. Extrapolating the facts that matter most. Our Goal is to Keep it Simple and Make it Work! The Z690 is more hype than substance. Whereas the TRX40 or WRX80 are more balanced with Dedicated Resources vs those Shared Resources. Fascinating facts! We like Results!
You're knowledgeable and informative, but verbose. Less use of sidebars would improve delivery.
Hi Joe Nogueira,
Welcome! Details matter. Thank You for Your Comments.
@@BuildOrBuy Indeed, details matter however sometimes you're all over the place making the message disappear
20 lanes lmao goodluck with cutting out sata3 ports when using 4x m2 slots
Hi Sphinx Productions,
Welcome! Those 20 Lanes are CPU PCIe Lanes. CPU PCIe Lanes are the ones used for Bifurcation. Whereas SATA are using Chipset Lanes. And on some Motherboards We've Discussed, there have been 2 SATA Ports reallocated for a 4 Chipset Lane M.2 NVMe Drive. If We could allocate more SATA Chipset Lanes to M.2 NVMe Storage then We could accommodate more M.2 NVMe Drives! Unlike a HEDT or Workstation, Desktop Motherboards do not have enough PCIe Lanes. The difference in Dedicated vs Shared PCIe Resources.
Why did you talk like tele-marketing dude?
Also no one that purchase a MOBO planned that far out into the future for all PCIE 5.0/6.0 for all of their PCIE connections. I was dumbfounded of your statement man. In fact, we shall never be able to get any MOBO in the current market that fits your requirements.
Also, what gibberish was that from 22-30min ? You're talking a lot about additional disk space requirements, and then concluded it did not meat "Shannon" 's requirements, but in fact, Shannon has no special requirements on extra disk space.
Hi 3d Pixel,
Welcome! I'm sure We all have Our quirks when We speak. From my perspective, why does He sound like me!
HE has Built a TRX40 and a WRX80. And in doing so, since Shannon Renders, Disk space is of great concern to him. Shannon uses Adobe products as well as others. We Build and Spec purpose Built Computers for Rendering. Most of Our Questions are based on a Reference of a Subscriber Asking a Question. Based on the Adobe After Effect Multi Frame Rendering, CPU Optimization Formula, those Systems mentioned offer better options for Shannon his work. He like the rest of Us, is curious about Thunderbolt 4 and PCIe 5.0. Thunderbolt 4 can and does work. PCIe 5.0 as currently offered does not live up to the expectations as outlined.
Thank You for Your Comments! Hope that clarification helps!