I think Kino has never been really power hungry. The way he sacrifices himself indicates that he did care for all men under his supervision - he just wanted them to be disciplined so that they could reach the end of their sentences and go home. The moment this promise turned out to be a lie, he is shocked and he leads his men to freedom.
I agree completely, & I think he knew from the beginning of this episode he wasn't going to make it, he knows there is only one way out, & that way leads to an ocean. But just because he can't make it, doesn't mean he won't help everyone else do so.
He must be angry at the Imperials for lying but also at himself for having been tricked, and guilty for having helped the Imperials trick all of the other inmates. A ton of emotion motivating him towards an uprising
Kino's story I think has a very strong parallel to Moses. In the story, Moses was a high official in Egypt until he saw the brutality of the Egyptians against his people. Then Moses becomes a true believer in their rebellion against Egypt but was not able to actually enter into their promised land. Kino was a prisoner with higher standing in the prison. He believes in the system until he sees its brutality first hand and he becomes a true believer in the rebellion. Then he's not allowed leave with the rest of the liberated prisoners.
Luthen literally points this out IN THE SAME EPISODE. That you should fight against oppression and fascism and hope your sacrifice will bring a sunrise, even if you don't get to see it. The line was specific to Cassian too as Cassian dies to the death star, a machine his slave labour helped build. On a sunset watching the inferno creep ever towards him. His sacrifice and the sacrifice of so many others is what brings about the destruction of the death star, a move that crippled the empire like no other. A moment so important. So critical. We see how the sacrifices of so many other's lead now to the moment Luke fire's his shot. Kino, Luthen, Nemik, Mon Mothma, Ezra Bridger, Canan, Cassian Andor, Jyn Erso, K-2SO, Chirrut Imwe, Malbus, Melshi, Rook, and Galen... With out them sacrificing themselves when they did the Death Star would have destroyed Yavin 4.
Kino is more than just a role model ... when he was losing it, Cassian made him do the announcements saying "It has to be you." That makes sense, since Cassian has no experience rousing up a crowd, while Kino has experience motivating his men. But then Kino repeats Cassian's own words while looking back at him. "I'd rather die trying to take them down, then give them what they want." Kino does this, knowing he's not going to make it out of there. Kino's telling Cassian, "You're wrong. You could do this. It could be you."
@@Superdelphinus What do you mean by "leader"? He was pretty clearly one to me in Rogue One. This episode, and this show overall, pretty effectively portray many versions of leadership, with Mon Mothma and Luthen exemplifying different extremes, and Andor has portrayed his own versions -- in this episode specifically, leadership through influence.
Just like Nemik before, Kino’s actions would inspire Cassian to lean towards the Rebellion more, and hence becoming the man we all know in Rogue One. This show really is a phenomenon like no other in the Star Wars franchise so far. I can’t wait to see how final 2 episodes will unfold.
What? Kino did absolutely nothing to act as an inspiration for Cassa, Cassa practically had to beat Kino into following the prisoners like Cassa who wanted to breakout. No lessons for Cassa apart from people can be dicks, you can use them as a means to an end, and then dump then. Good riddance.
Kino not being able to swim is an even more powerful revelation when you realize that he knew this about himself THE. WHOLE. TIME. How else did he expect the prisoners to escape other than swimming? And yet! And yet he did what he did so that they could be free, even when he knew he wouldn't be one of them.
I think it’s amazing that in every story arc there is an influential character that Cassian leaves or loses and he doesn’t yet know their impact in his life. Then Cassian adopts those traits into the next arc. Story arc 1: Mother/B2EMO (Love) > Story arc 2: Nemik (Hope) > Story arc 3: Kino (Sacrifice) > ???. They are all shaping him into the hero he becomes.
Charity? It's a reflection of the noble virtues so far, no that's what's missing. He has 200k credits that as far as we know, is still hidden. That's fully half of what Mon Mothma needs.
@@jolenethiessen357 - A nitpick, not a criticism: Cassian paid the doctor 30,000 credits for the doctor's ship. As it appears it has been several weeks since he left Maave - and he was traveling and living it up in "paradise" - it is probable that only 100,000 to 125,000 credits remain (or even less). Still a lot, but not a fortune.
Great tribute to a great character. I think there was one thing that you might’ve overlooked. Around 6 minutes in, you say “He still hasn’t lost hope of regaining his freedom”, but I believe that he actually has. Throughout the prison arc, it is made clear that Kino knows the prison better than the rest. He knows how many guards are on each level. He knows there is only “one way out”. And that way out, is a leap into water, and he cannot swim. His only hope is for the freedom of his fellow prisoners, who will follow him. He leads them, knowing the entire final episode, that he will not get to enjoy the freedom that he is leading them to. He doesn’t mention it to the others so they don’t get distracted. He climbs to the top with them so none stay behind to try and help him, damming themselves. His leadership despite knowing he has know hope for himself is an example that Cassian (and Melshi) will carry until making the same decision to get onboard Rogue One, knowing the odds of survival are slim to none. I think understanding this only makes his character better. His selfless leadership is admirable in ways that we rarely see in media or the real world, and Andy Serkis does such a phenomenal job bringing this character to life.
Andy Serkis did an amazing role, and the writers wrote his character so well. He comes across as a potential antagonist, but if you pay attention, his character drive is purely to get everyone out alive. He is so happy for Ulaf when they talk about how many shifts he has left. Once he finds out they will never be released he leads a revolt he, in the back of his mind, doesn't expect to survive....but most of his men might
Talking about Ulaf. Does anyone think that the empire poisoned his food, in order to give him that stroke? Probably because one of the guards noticed that the others were covering for him!
Either he can stay and be re-captured once Imperial reinforcements arrive, and almost certainly be executed for his actions. Or he can jump into the water and risk drowning, for a slim chance of escaping onto dry land. He's dead either way, so why not chase that slim chance of freedom?
Luke might have delivered the final blow to the death star in a New Hope with his skill and the force. That alone was awesome but it's great to now know the faces of some of the people that helped Luke get to that point. Cassian, Luthen, Mon, Vel, Nemik, Kino, Lonny, Kleya, Melshi, Jyn, Galen Erso, Saw, and more.
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Having him being the one leading the evacuation was perfect, he has been in the prision for years and that (along with his position) gives him credibility. And man, the part where he says “if we fight half as hard as we’ve been working, we’ll be home in no time! was legit heartbreaking 😢
If only Cassian had heard and hadn’t been knocked off. He could have ran back, found a floatable object for Kino to sit on and he could have pushed him to shore similar to how Joel used pallets to get Ellie from one side of a water body to another.
It’s beautiful that Kino clearly thought he wasn’t going to make it and still tried to lead as many as possible to freedom. They must have known they would have to swim out of there. Knowing this, when you rewatch the episode, you can see his hesitation but he swallows it up. It must have weighed on him. Andy Serkis was amazing.
The empty pit feeling in my stomach has not left me since yesterdays episode. That hit too hard and too real. The look on Kino's face once he realized his circumstance and fate. God man!!
I love that were seeing an amazing andy Serkis character that's not full CGI using mocap. yes, he's incredible when in a mocap suit but seeing the man himself is even better.
Not only was the "Never more than twelve" line awesome, but it was an absolutely perfect way to end episode nine. Before that, most of the endings of the episodes were kinda weird.
Andor is amazing at introducing new characters left and right that you immediately connect with on some level, so that losing Nemik, Kino and others hurts even more.
I read a Hollywood Reporter article yesterday (can probably search for it), an interview with Tony Gilroy covering Andor up through episode 10…. Spoiler ahead… When asked about Kino, Tony suggested that his story hasn’t ended yet.
This episode legitimately made me cheer and cry all in in go. Star Wars hasnt done that for me in a long time. This show is curing my star wars burnout.
Thank you so much for this great discussion of Kino. I was so excited when I saw Andy at first, but I had no idea he and his character would be this great. This show is truly special, and this arc and this character is one of the reasons why.
When Kino said he couldn't swim I kept imagining one of his cellmates saying something along the lines of "Jump, brother. We'll swim together", even long after the scene was over. Especially when Andor and Melshi were running away on the beach. Stupid emotionally devastating, awesome show...😡😭
Andy Serkis and Genevieve O'Reilly are getting Emmys. Well deserved Emmys. If Andor doesn't clean up next year, I don't know what anyone could ever do to win awards. Nothing on TV or Streaming has been this good in a long time, maybe ever. Writing, producing, casting, production design, directing, cinematography, acting, editing, sound, and visual effects are all completely off the charts.
Yes! Imma be pissed if they don't get any awards from this show because it's the best live action star wars show imo. I like it a little more than Mandalorian. Both shows are fantastic 🙌
In my head I like to think Kino found another way out. One of the men in the main control room says "it takes months to get the power up and running again" so the base is shut down so all he has to do is hide from the guards until he can find some other way out. A character in Star Wars isn't dead or finished unless we actually see it happen..
God damn this episode was so freaking good! Kino's speech was phenomenal. So was Luthen's. Both actors did an absolutely incredible job with their roles and I was absolutely CRUSHED when Kino Loy said he can't swim and had to stay behind and watch everyone else get a chance at freedom. He was so damn close 😭
Kino is a hero. He knew he wasn't going to be able to escape and he fulfilled the action he spoke about in his speech, "I would rather die trying to take them down, than giving them what they want."
As a leftist organizer/historian and lifelong StarWars fan, I loved this video and Andor as a series. I’m glad you don’t shy away from the clear anti-capitalism themes in this series. I remember reading that Andy Serkis created a backstory for Kino Loy as a union-steward prior to his prison sentence. Historically, union organizers have been targets of far-right governments. Been a big fan for years now, glad to see your channel grow so much.
Ive said this for many years that Star Wars dont have to have power-characters in the spotlight to be a good story. I teared up for this episode as I did for other SW moments. Its about fighting for freedom, overcoming challenges and making alliances. Kino shouts, ATTACK!!! Now that made me cheer.
I also really loved that they brought Melshi back in this. They didn't have to do that, but it's a cool touch to see this random side character from Rogue One get some more time to shine
A small thing I noticed is that andor doesn’t kill the technicians when he could have, this is like the first time he leaves survivors, he kills the second corpo, he kills the guard that was already on the floor, but after kinos speech, he shows mercy to the imperials
I wonder if/when we'll hear Nemik's manifesto... My thought was as a voiceover in the finale, but I don't know if it's important enough to take the final word for the season
You comment about all the massive Star Wars weapons was right on the mark, I love this story so much more because it focuses on the ordinary people and has nothing to do with the next ultimate weapon.
I feel like there's a theme in both Rogue One and in Andor, that I really like a lot - the idea that in any kind of rebellion or revolution, there are so many people who make sacrifices whose sacrifice enables others to go on, and often to make sacrifices of their own, which all build towards accomplishing something titanic, something which nobody thought possible, but which was ultimately done because countless people were willing to give everything for a better world which they likely knew they'd never personally see
We're seeing that there are many characters that are more than they appear and their true nature is revealed in later episode. Its good character writing that created depth, something future star wars shows should note.
There was a great interview with Serkis the other day where they asked him if he was given a whole backstop for Kino. And he said Not Really, but that he made one up for himself. He said Kino used to be some sort of Foreman who was pro-union and looked after his guys. When the Empire came around, they didn't like how loud he was against their policies but recognized he was good and being a work leader. So they snatched him up and being in the prison just sort of broke him and all he thinks about is just getting out.
The thing I love about the possible stories that could be told in the rebels time period is that the characters during this time can all go through absolute worst of the worst and that’s what’s relatable. At least more relatable than a chosen one character
It was an amazing episode and we were treated to two PHENOMENAL monologues. I hope viewership picks up and people watch this phenomenal show so we get more seasons, spinoffs, and more great content set in the Star Wars universe.
I think Kino is still alive. Don’t forget that Kino told the other prisoners that if you see someone confused or stopped, help them and keep them moving. If every bit of dialogue in this show means something, then this means Kino made it out.
Unrelated, but you made me think of something when talking about the superweapon problem. What if the Sequel Trilogy was written differently and StarKiller Base was a looming threat throughout all 3 movies? We've had a lot of super weapons, but they've all really just been big targets to blow up. It would be interesting to see one get some real presence.
I'm gutted too, Andy Serkis and the writing team made an incredible character. I'm still hoping he jumped and used the floating corpse of another drowned inmate as a raft and made it to shore. Grisly, yes, but I really want to see him back for future Star Wars stories.
To add another level of tragedy to what happened to Kino the not being able to swim - my friend and I were discussing the Episode last night and he pointed out that when Andor was being assigned to a Narkina 5, he was asked his home planet. My friend speculated that they were specifically sending people from arrid or desert planets with helittle water to Narkina 5 because there was the distinct possibility that they could not swim even if they could escape the prison. Granted it looked like a fair number knew how to swim, but we don't know how many escaped. Since sacrifice is one of the themes of the series, I personally think that Mon Mothma will make that sacrifice and agree to the arranged marriage for her daughter. She may dislike her husband, but I do think she loves her daughter enough to get her out of harm's way when she moves to openly oppose the Empire.
What a beautiful character and performance but man what a gut punch that was seeing his face and his saying he can’t swim. Seeing him realize he’s not going anywhere after all they just fought for and sacrificed. I don’t know if I want it to be left at where it is or if I’d rather know exactly what happened to kino after everyone else escaped. But god what a show and what an arc definitely one of my favorites.
My hope is in the second or third season, when we are focussed on other things, Cassian shows up at a rebel base to get orders, and runs into Kino, who has now found his way to the Rebellion. Maybe he got knocked in, and was helped to shore, whatever, but in honor of 'we never saw the body' trope, I'd love a brief moment knowing he did make it out.
being worked to death is quite a rebel presumption but generally the imperial humour in not targeting him amongst others that resisted , the escape plan was a do or die which wasn't exactly promised land , no aquatic predators was convenient
Honestly, I like to keep it ambiguous. Maybe he stayed, maybe he decided he'd rather die trying the remain in the prison. He did say he already consider himself dead so why not? But I guess that's the point, you don't know and you never really will. Another person lost in the chaotic first steps of the rebellion.
The whole series is how Luthen sets an example for Andor. And then each mini-arch is about specific aspects of Andor’s growth. Nemik, Kino, & Maarva are all there building up Andor’s character. Each is now dead and their legacy weighs on Andor.
I agree, Kino was awesome. Andy Serkis absolutely CRUSHED it in these episodes. A phenomenal performance. Honestly he had such a surprising character arc. If you had told me after the first episode, that I'd be rooting for this guy by the end of it, I would have thought you were crazy. There was no way. But then it happened and the road there was such a roller coaster too. As soon as I'd start feeling good about Kino, he'd go into unwavering manager mode and I'd be shaking my head at him but the end of episode 9, he had me pumping my fist. And the fact that he gave not one, but two great monologues in one single episode, just makes the performance by Andy even more impressive. Even if he was echoing some of Cassian's words, it was still great to see how far they both had come since the first episode of the prison arc. I really hope Kino didn't drown or something because that would be so cruel, considering in his speech, he says "help each other", for him NOT to get help from anyone. That's one of the biggest questions for me from episode 10: Did Kino make it out and I hope they address it. I'm sorry to say though, but I think the comparison to the fleet in The Rise of Skywalker and the so-called "superweapon problem" was so unnecessary. That's been a big problem with Andor, it's being compared to everything that's come before in a way no other project has been ever and often it's used to bash those other projects and put them down as if Andor is immediately superior to all of them. I KNOW that's not what Alex did here, he isn't that kind of person but it does feel like kind of the same issue. Why is making that comparison even necessary? Why can't we just let Andor stand on its own and be good, which it has been, and be good in its own right, instead of making comparisons to very different types of projects that can't really be compared anyway because they have different tones, messages, stories, characters and appeals. It's unfair to both sides. It's just been running rampant in the fandom since the series dropped and honestly it's hurting the show.
If they didn't show a body, they're fine. Kino found a raft or a ship or something. The Empire has to have their own way off of the facility, right? 🤷♂️🤷♂️
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I think Kino has never been really power hungry. The way he sacrifices himself indicates that he did care for all men under his supervision - he just wanted them to be disciplined so that they could reach the end of their sentences and go home. The moment this promise turned out to be a lie, he is shocked and he leads his men to freedom.
I agree completely, & I think he knew from the beginning of this episode he wasn't going to make it, he knows there is only one way out, & that way leads to an ocean. But just because he can't make it, doesn't mean he won't help everyone else do so.
He must be angry at the Imperials for lying but also at himself for having been tricked, and guilty for having helped the Imperials trick all of the other inmates. A ton of emotion motivating him towards an uprising
Kino is the ideal middle management
@@dojokonojo i've never had a manager as good as kino loy, that's for sure
Kino's story I think has a very strong parallel to Moses.
In the story, Moses was a high official in Egypt until he saw the brutality of the Egyptians against his people. Then Moses becomes a true believer in their rebellion against Egypt but was not able to actually enter into their promised land.
Kino was a prisoner with higher standing in the prison. He believes in the system until he sees its brutality first hand and he becomes a true believer in the rebellion. Then he's not allowed leave with the rest of the liberated prisoners.
“A society grows great when old men plant trees whose shade they know they shall never sit in.” Kino’s story so beautifully parallels this proverb.
And Luthen's
And Luthen's.
Luthen literally points this out IN THE SAME EPISODE. That you should fight against oppression and fascism and hope your sacrifice will bring a sunrise, even if you don't get to see it.
The line was specific to Cassian too as Cassian dies to the death star, a machine his slave labour helped build. On a sunset watching the inferno creep ever towards him. His sacrifice and the sacrifice of so many others is what brings about the destruction of the death star, a move that crippled the empire like no other. A moment so important. So critical. We see how the sacrifices of so many other's lead now to the moment Luke fire's his shot. Kino, Luthen, Nemik, Mon Mothma, Ezra Bridger, Canan, Cassian Andor, Jyn Erso, K-2SO, Chirrut Imwe, Malbus, Melshi, Rook, and Galen... With out them sacrificing themselves when they did the Death Star would have destroyed Yavin 4.
Kino is more than just a role model ... when he was losing it, Cassian made him do the announcements saying "It has to be you." That makes sense, since Cassian has no experience rousing up a crowd, while Kino has experience motivating his men.
But then Kino repeats Cassian's own words while looking back at him. "I'd rather die trying to take them down, then give them what they want." Kino does this, knowing he's not going to make it out of there.
Kino's telling Cassian, "You're wrong. You could do this. It could be you."
well said
Kino has shown him how to lead
Man tears were shed
Do we ever see Andor lead though to that extent? He’s more of a soldier of the rebellion than one of its leaders imho
@@Superdelphinus What do you mean by "leader"? He was pretty clearly one to me in Rogue One.
This episode, and this show overall, pretty effectively portray many versions of leadership, with Mon Mothma and Luthen exemplifying different extremes, and Andor has portrayed his own versions -- in this episode specifically, leadership through influence.
It’s fine, it’s ok, he’s safe. If they have handrails in the prison they have life vests. He got out…he had to
He's probably fine
He's eather safe or getting interrogated next episode
I bet they'll use him to lure Andor into a trap. That's my best guess. If Cassian thinks he has an oppurtunity to save him, then he will probably try
He's dead until his Sith powers resurrect him as Snoke
@@RWM0 they already confirmed a second season so it could role over into it.
Just like Nemik before, Kino’s actions would inspire Cassian to lean towards the Rebellion more, and hence becoming the man we all know in Rogue One. This show really is a phenomenon like no other in the Star Wars franchise so far. I can’t wait to see how final 2 episodes will unfold.
What? Kino did absolutely nothing to act as an inspiration for Cassa, Cassa practically had to beat Kino into following the prisoners like Cassa who wanted to breakout. No lessons for Cassa apart from people can be dicks, you can use them as a means to an end, and then dump then. Good riddance.
@@bitchoflivingblah no offense, but I think you should watch the episode again
Kino not being able to swim is an even more powerful revelation when you realize that he knew this about himself THE. WHOLE. TIME. How else did he expect the prisoners to escape other than swimming? And yet! And yet he did what he did so that they could be free, even when he knew he wouldn't be one of them.
Heartbreaking
I think it’s amazing that in every story arc there is an influential character that Cassian leaves or loses and he doesn’t yet know their impact in his life. Then Cassian adopts those traits into the next arc. Story arc 1: Mother/B2EMO (Love) > Story arc 2: Nemik (Hope) > Story arc 3: Kino (Sacrifice) > ???. They are all shaping him into the hero he becomes.
Charity? It's a reflection of the noble virtues so far, no that's what's missing. He has 200k credits that as far as we know, is still hidden. That's fully half of what Mon Mothma needs.
@@jolenethiessen357 - A nitpick, not a criticism: Cassian paid the doctor 30,000 credits for the doctor's ship. As it appears it has been several weeks since he left Maave - and he was traveling and living it up in "paradise" - it is probable that only 100,000 to 125,000 credits remain (or even less). Still a lot, but not a fortune.
The whole series and Rogue One is about sacrifice.
Great tribute to a great character. I think there was one thing that you might’ve overlooked. Around 6 minutes in, you say “He still hasn’t lost hope of regaining his freedom”, but I believe that he actually has. Throughout the prison arc, it is made clear that Kino knows the prison better than the rest. He knows how many guards are on each level. He knows there is only “one way out”. And that way out, is a leap into water, and he cannot swim.
His only hope is for the freedom of his fellow prisoners, who will follow him.
He leads them, knowing the entire final episode, that he will not get to enjoy the freedom that he is leading them to.
He doesn’t mention it to the others so they don’t get distracted. He climbs to the top with them so none stay behind to try and help him, damming themselves.
His leadership despite knowing he has know hope for himself is an example that Cassian (and Melshi) will carry until making the same decision to get onboard Rogue One, knowing the odds of survival are slim to none.
I think understanding this only makes his character better. His selfless leadership is admirable in ways that we rarely see in media or the real world, and Andy Serkis does such a phenomenal job bringing this character to life.
Andy Serkis did an amazing role, and the writers wrote his character so well. He comes across as a potential antagonist, but if you pay attention, his character drive is purely to get everyone out alive.
He is so happy for Ulaf when they talk about how many shifts he has left. Once he finds out they will never be released he leads a revolt he, in the back of his mind, doesn't expect to survive....but most of his men might
He always delivers
A big theme for Andor is the grey area we all have of being able to lead, even if we've done stuff before that's not great/more dark side
Yeah, Andy Serkis, a potential Star Wars antagonist... wait a minute
Talking about Ulaf. Does anyone think that the empire poisoned his food, in order to give him that stroke? Probably because one of the guards noticed that the others were covering for him!
Kino SMILES as he in on the ledge, as he is on the brink of freedom. Kino knows in the end he WON.
Kino: “I can’t swim.”
Random prisoner: “Well today is a good day to learn, my friend.”
*grabs Kino and both takes the plunge*
_to be continued…_
Either he can stay and be re-captured once Imperial reinforcements arrive, and almost certainly be executed for his actions. Or he can jump into the water and risk drowning, for a slim chance of escaping onto dry land.
He's dead either way, so why not chase that slim chance of freedom?
The line "I can't swim" is gonna be stuck in my head for a long time
Luke might have delivered the final blow to the death star in a New Hope with his skill and the force. That alone was awesome but it's great to now know the faces of some of the people that helped Luke get to that point. Cassian, Luthen, Mon, Vel, Nemik, Kino, Lonny, Kleya, Melshi, Jyn, Galen Erso, Saw, and more.
That is so right, and more to come in this story i expect. Thank you. Kind of a good Veteran’s Day type remembrance too. Every person matters.
Kanan, Ezra, Ashoka and more of them
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Severance is also awesome!
The way he was quietly smiling and almost laughing as he said "I can't swim" was just so tragically beautiful.
Having him being the one leading the evacuation was perfect, he has been in the prision for years and that (along with his position) gives him credibility.
And man, the part where he says “if we fight half as hard as we’ve been working, we’ll be home in no time! was legit heartbreaking 😢
If only Cassian had heard and hadn’t been knocked off. He could have ran back, found a floatable object for Kino to sit on and he could have pushed him to shore similar to how Joel used pallets to get Ellie from one side of a water body to another.
Why you gotta make me cry..
@@TheWhills Because I'm so cruel. 😉
Keno's not dead. We didn't see a body.
Somehow Snoke.... I mean Keno returned.
If there were suitable flotation devices in there I think we'd have seen other people grabbing them.
@@MalzraAirwynn I think he's saying he'd return with something from the shore.
It’s beautiful that Kino clearly thought he wasn’t going to make it and still tried to lead as many as possible to freedom. They must have known they would have to swim out of there. Knowing this, when you rewatch the episode, you can see his hesitation but he swallows it up. It must have weighed on him. Andy Serkis was amazing.
The empty pit feeling in my stomach has not left me since yesterdays episode. That hit too hard and too real. The look on Kino's face once he realized his circumstance and fate. God man!!
I love that were seeing an amazing andy Serkis character that's not full CGI using mocap. yes, he's incredible when in a mocap suit but seeing the man himself is even better.
Not only was the "Never more than twelve" line awesome, but it was an absolutely perfect way to end episode nine. Before that, most of the endings of the episodes were kinda weird.
Andor is amazing at introducing new characters left and right that you immediately connect with on some level, so that losing Nemik, Kino and others hurts even more.
I read a Hollywood Reporter article yesterday (can probably search for it), an interview with Tony Gilroy covering Andor up through episode 10….
Spoiler ahead…
When asked about Kino, Tony suggested that his story hasn’t ended yet.
This episode legitimately made me cheer and cry all in in go. Star Wars hasnt done that for me in a long time. This show is curing my star wars burnout.
Thank you so much for this great discussion of Kino. I was so excited when I saw Andy at first, but I had no idea he and his character would be this great. This show is truly special, and this arc and this character is one of the reasons why.
When Kino said he couldn't swim I kept imagining one of his cellmates saying something along the lines of "Jump, brother. We'll swim together", even long after the scene was over. Especially when Andor and Melshi were running away on the beach.
Stupid emotionally devastating, awesome show...😡😭
I really hope he's alive and eventually gets saved.
Andy Serkis and Genevieve O'Reilly are getting Emmys. Well deserved Emmys. If Andor doesn't clean up next year, I don't know what anyone could ever do to win awards. Nothing on TV or Streaming has been this good in a long time, maybe ever. Writing, producing, casting, production design, directing, cinematography, acting, editing, sound, and visual effects are all completely off the charts.
Yes! Imma be pissed if they don't get any awards from this show because it's the best live action star wars show imo. I like it a little more than Mandalorian. Both shows are fantastic 🙌
Such a great character. Him and Luthen had amazing speeches
Amazing to think that Andy Serkis saved both Middle Earth and the Star Wars galaxy.
In my head I like to think Kino found another way out. One of the men in the main control room says "it takes months to get the power up and running again" so the base is shut down so all he has to do is hide from the guards until he can find some other way out. A character in Star Wars isn't dead or finished unless we actually see it happen..
He’d be perfect for the rebel alliance if he survived
As an aside, I like how this channel has expanded into more than just “here’s my analysis of the episode” into these sidebar discussions. Nice work 👍🏼
God damn this episode was so freaking good! Kino's speech was phenomenal. So was Luthen's. Both actors did an absolutely incredible job with their roles and I was absolutely CRUSHED when Kino Loy said he can't swim and had to stay behind and watch everyone else get a chance at freedom. He was so damn close 😭
Kino is a hero. He knew he wasn't going to be able to escape and he fulfilled the action he spoke about in his speech, "I would rather die trying to take them down, than giving them what they want."
As a leftist organizer/historian and lifelong StarWars fan, I loved this video and Andor as a series. I’m glad you don’t shy away from the clear anti-capitalism themes in this series. I remember reading that Andy Serkis created a backstory for Kino Loy as a union-steward prior to his prison sentence. Historically, union organizers have been targets of far-right governments. Been a big fan for years now, glad to see your channel grow so much.
That episode made me randomly question if Luke knew how to swim before the start of A New Hope.
Uh! Most likely not right? I doubt there are comunity pools on Tatooine
It was heartbreaking hearing kino say he couldn’t swim part of me feels he always knew he was never getting out due to his inability to swim
Ive said this for many years that Star Wars dont have to have power-characters in the spotlight to be a good story.
I teared up for this episode as I did for other SW moments.
Its about fighting for freedom, overcoming challenges and making alliances.
Kino shouts, ATTACK!!! Now that made me cheer.
Let’s not lose hope on his fate, keep the hope alive.
I loved Kino from the beginning just because it’s Andy Serkis, he just works that well for me.
I also really loved that they brought Melshi back in this. They didn't have to do that, but it's a cool touch to see this random side character from Rogue One get some more time to shine
A small thing I noticed is that andor doesn’t kill the technicians when he could have, this is like the first time he leaves survivors, he kills the second corpo, he kills the guard that was already on the floor, but after kinos speech, he shows mercy to the imperials
Side note: I loved how the amplification and depth the intercom system gave Kino's voice alluded to the fact that Andy Serkis also plays Snoke.
I wonder if/when we'll hear Nemik's manifesto... My thought was as a voiceover in the finale, but I don't know if it's important enough to take the final word for the season
You comment about all the massive Star Wars weapons was right on the mark, I love this story so much more because it focuses on the ordinary people and has nothing to do with the next ultimate weapon.
"I can't swim." "Are you crazy? The fall will probably kill you!"
I feel like there's a theme in both Rogue One and in Andor, that I really like a lot - the idea that in any kind of rebellion or revolution, there are so many people who make sacrifices whose sacrifice enables others to go on, and often to make sacrifices of their own, which all build towards accomplishing something titanic, something which nobody thought possible, but which was ultimately done because countless people were willing to give everything for a better world which they likely knew they'd never personally see
We're seeing that there are many characters that are more than they appear and their true nature is revealed in later episode. Its good character writing that created depth, something future star wars shows should note.
Kino is one of the best characters in Andor
There was a great interview with Serkis the other day where they asked him if he was given a whole backstop for Kino.
And he said Not Really, but that he made one up for himself.
He said Kino used to be some sort of Foreman who was pro-union and looked after his guys.
When the Empire came around, they didn't like how loud he was against their policies but recognized he was good and being a work leader. So they snatched him up and being in the prison just sort of broke him and all he thinks about is just getting out.
2:09-3:44 the irony of critisising capitalism whilst having that background is epic.
Kino has become a top 10 favorite Star Wars character for me. Andy did such a good job and should get an award for supporting character.
Need to say I am so enjoying this channel!! Your breakdowns are so much fun to listen to. Your joy for SW is so refreshing
The thing I love about the possible stories that could be told in the rebels time period is that the characters during this time can all go through absolute worst of the worst and that’s what’s relatable. At least more relatable than a chosen one character
It was an amazing episode and we were treated to two PHENOMENAL monologues. I hope viewership picks up and people watch this phenomenal show so we get more seasons, spinoffs, and more great content set in the Star Wars universe.
I think Kino is still alive. Don’t forget that Kino told the other prisoners that if you see someone confused or stopped, help them and keep them moving. If every bit of dialogue in this show means something, then this means Kino made it out.
I think it's best if we don't know his fate.
In my head canon, Kino made it.
As Pablo Hidalgo once said of Boba Fett, Kino is both alive and dead at the same time depending on what future stories need of him.
Unrelated, but you made me think of something when talking about the superweapon problem.
What if the Sequel Trilogy was written differently and StarKiller Base was a looming threat throughout all 3 movies? We've had a lot of super weapons, but they've all really just been big targets to blow up. It would be interesting to see one get some real presence.
The shot of the doctor during the escape makes me think that he'll be part of the future
I'm gutted too, Andy Serkis and the writing team made an incredible character. I'm still hoping he jumped and used the floating corpse of another drowned inmate as a raft and made it to shore. Grisly, yes, but I really want to see him back for future Star Wars stories.
I cried when he said, "I can't swim." Andy Serkis is so good at acting!!
Nicely put, Alex.
I’d like to believe somehow Kino makes it to shore and lives. Leaving his fate ambiguous is the only ending we needed.
To add another level of tragedy to what happened to Kino the not being able to swim - my friend and I were discussing the Episode last night and he pointed out that when Andor was being assigned to a Narkina 5, he was asked his home planet. My friend speculated that they were specifically sending people from arrid or desert planets with helittle water to Narkina 5 because there was the distinct possibility that they could not swim even if they could escape the prison. Granted it looked like a fair number knew how to swim, but we don't know how many escaped.
Since sacrifice is one of the themes of the series, I personally think that Mon Mothma will make that sacrifice and agree to the arranged marriage for her daughter. She may dislike her husband, but I do think she loves her daughter enough to get her out of harm's way when she moves to openly oppose the Empire.
She's a brat anyway.
after every episode I want more.
43 mins. is not long enuff.😐
When Andor was arrested, I wasn't sure how they could make several episodes of him being in prison, but then the show just kept getting better.
The fact we didn't see him die is important, he'll definitely show up again.
That's the feeling i get. Someone must've saved him!
Always love your analysis! Couldn’t agree more. Andy Serkis is incredible.
Your assessments are phenomenal!
Andy Serkis deserves some kind of award for his performance in Andor
Another spot on analysis! Thanks ✌🏿
He came around in a big way...
Kino Loy is in my top 3 non force-wielders characters. Along with Cad Bane and Thrawn. Andy Serkis done an incredible job
The writing of his character can only take him so far. It's the acting of Andy Serkis that makes us fall for him.
Andy’ performance is Emmy worthy. Hope they give him one. I still have chills.
“My viewers fall in love with every charter I’ve written. Then I kill them, and their like no he didn’t.”
Oh my god, I thought I was the only one who knows this
Episode 1: Tell me what to do!
Episode 10: Tell them what to do!
To me, Kino is also the character that catapults Cassian towards being a leader.
Andy Serkis elevates everything he's in. The man deserves a dozen Oscars.
Thank you and You are also an inspiring person. Great Video.
i just want to say i appreciate you guys positive take on star wars love the andor aftershow
"I burn my life for a sunrise I will never see"
Great video Alex
What a beautiful character and performance but man what a gut punch that was seeing his face and his saying he can’t swim. Seeing him realize he’s not going anywhere after all they just fought for and sacrificed. I don’t know if I want it to be left at where it is or if I’d rather know exactly what happened to kino after everyone else escaped. But god what a show and what an arc definitely one of my favorites.
My hope is in the second or third season, when we are focussed on other things, Cassian shows up at a rebel base to get orders, and runs into Kino, who has now found his way to the Rebellion. Maybe he got knocked in, and was helped to shore, whatever, but in honor of 'we never saw the body' trope, I'd love a brief moment knowing he did make it out.
being worked to death is quite a rebel presumption but generally the imperial humour in not targeting him amongst others that resisted , the escape plan was a do or die which wasn't exactly promised land , no aquatic predators was convenient
I love how open you are with the politics of the series, that you're not shying away to placate some imagined audience
Honestly, I like to keep it ambiguous. Maybe he stayed, maybe he decided he'd rather die trying the remain in the prison. He did say he already consider himself dead so why not? But I guess that's the point, you don't know and you never really will. Another person lost in the chaotic first steps of the rebellion.
Luke is like every hero. There are always SO many unsung heroes that put Luke in that cockpit at that time and made possible what he did.
The whole series is how Luthen sets an example for Andor.
And then each mini-arch is about specific aspects of Andor’s growth. Nemik, Kino, & Maarva are all there building up Andor’s character. Each is now dead and their legacy weighs on Andor.
I would like to believe that Kino jumped and that somebody helped swim to safety.
There's no way someone who just did what Kino did, would stop there and not jump: "I'm already dead".
The Cassian sections of Andor so far work well as a dying dream that he is recalling as he is on the beach on Scarif.
I didn't realize Cassian was in "Rogue One". I need to go back and watch that now.
It was also a great performance from Andy Serkis. He has become quite the Star Wars legend.
People keep telling others ‘Climb!’ in this series… Cassian should have told Kino ‘Float!’
Good one!😀"One way out!".
I agree, Kino was awesome. Andy Serkis absolutely CRUSHED it in these episodes. A phenomenal performance. Honestly he had such a surprising character arc. If you had told me after the first episode, that I'd be rooting for this guy by the end of it, I would have thought you were crazy. There was no way. But then it happened and the road there was such a roller coaster too. As soon as I'd start feeling good about Kino, he'd go into unwavering manager mode and I'd be shaking my head at him but the end of episode 9, he had me pumping my fist. And the fact that he gave not one, but two great monologues in one single episode, just makes the performance by Andy even more impressive. Even if he was echoing some of Cassian's words, it was still great to see how far they both had come since the first episode of the prison arc.
I really hope Kino didn't drown or something because that would be so cruel, considering in his speech, he says "help each other", for him NOT to get help from anyone. That's one of the biggest questions for me from episode 10: Did Kino make it out and I hope they address it.
I'm sorry to say though, but I think the comparison to the fleet in The Rise of Skywalker and the so-called "superweapon problem" was so unnecessary. That's been a big problem with Andor, it's being compared to everything that's come before in a way no other project has been ever and often it's used to bash those other projects and put them down as if Andor is immediately superior to all of them. I KNOW that's not what Alex did here, he isn't that kind of person but it does feel like kind of the same issue. Why is making that comparison even necessary? Why can't we just let Andor stand on its own and be good, which it has been, and be good in its own right, instead of making comparisons to very different types of projects that can't really be compared anyway because they have different tones, messages, stories, characters and appeals. It's unfair to both sides. It's just been running rampant in the fandom since the series dropped and honestly it's hurting the show.
kino loy was one of those spontaneous bouts of rebellion, had he not stepped up someone else would have
I like to think Kino made it out with the help of other prisoners; the ones that took the “help others” to heart.
If they didn't show a body, they're fine. Kino found a raft or a ship or something. The Empire has to have their own way off of the facility, right? 🤷♂️🤷♂️