In my humble opinion - nerf queens. That’s the best way to stop this Zerg whitewash. The queen is sooo OP, they counter literally everything early game and with their transfuse they are immortal. All the Zerg player has to do to counter ANY early game pressure is build a few queens which ALSO spread creep. You know they’re OP when a group of hellions and a reaper are too scared to go toe-to-toe with what essentially should be a base nanny unit (34:55)
Been saying this since they buffed it so long ago. Two queems can defend any drop. Use 4 queens to push creep and there's basically no way to stop them.
Being honest, Dark is also a God that has been winning/topping tournaments since like 2015. BUT this series shouldn't have been a 3-0. That is the real disappointment.
The sc2 dev team has lost their minds, how stupid are they to progress at this point in blizzcon where even the Zerg players have reach a consensus that Zerg is levels above terran and protoss.
Ferra Torr f*ck you chump. This game sucks and I’ve been playing since before brood wars lol. I’m so sick of seeing pissant Z players win every tournament.
Baneling must be fixed - heals points or speed. And in general. Zerg has too many abilities with striking large surfaces with huge damage. Amid the zerg’s abilities, the terran nuclear missile looks so squalid.
@Jesus Rosendo Serral just lost to Raynor though lol But it is really weird the way they balance the game, you can see that Koreans are usually beast at micro and tend to have the stronger Protosses and Terrans. Foreigners (Europeans I mean) only ever had chance with Zerg. IdrA, Stephano, Scarlett, Serral and now Raynor, all the foreigners that matter at all (that can fight Koreans) are Zerg. Is a really weird tendency, and Blizzard always tended to favor Zerg in the balance, so... I think the even weirder thing is that foreigners only have a chance with macro, that the micro still is really bad and no Protoss or Terran here can compare to the Koreans. Wouldn't it make more sense for "worse players" to be better at "cheese", aka faster, more micro intensive early game. This game just doesn't make any sense really.
It is actually a good thing, now everyone who is blind also knows how OP Zerg is. Blizzard is gonna give them the nerf hammer and then Serral and the foreign zerg are gonna disappear into obscurity and the Korean Terrans will rise again.
@Jesus Rosendo Also, SC2 is popular with foreigners now. Koreans already don't care about SC2 hence the reason why they want to make a non-korean popular with all the "winnings".
even said the fact is that 5 of the quarter finalists and 3 of the semi finalists are zerg players. The numbers speak for themselves. Thats more than half with three available races.
@Ektawan RUNGPANYARAT 17:41... Thats where i stopped watching... Not because Dark pushed into tanks, a planetary and mass bio and won with basically an A-Click (and 3 blinding clouds, to be fair), but because of the instant remax of Dark.
There is literally nothing terran can do vs zerg except get lucky. Maru was up with army supply AND upgrades and the Zerg just right clicked into Maru's army, and won.
The main problem is, T pro players are kinda trash when compared to the best Terrans we had in 2016-17(Like Taeja at its prime). Look at game 2 for example, Zerg used a team comp that has not been changed in YEARS and still crushed Maru like if it was a Master player vs Diamond, on game 1 winfestors were not used, just Hydras that have finally become viable. Where are the drops in 2 bases while doing a hellion run by on the third? Or the 2 liberators harassment in 2 bases while dropping in the main? Pro Terran player quality went down the sink, I hardly get to see games that remind me of the good old times and is not due to the balance, is more due to the quality of this T players.
Terran can cheese. If the zerg doesn't scout it there is a good chance. Macro game is just straight up impossible unless the zerg trolls with subpar unit compositions like ultra/lurker.
I know this is useless but, Blizzard do not balance the whole game over the top 100 players, the game is amazigly balanced, enough that even with a 1000 games played you would not be able to know if imba or variance. One explanation: Zerg is harder to master/play but once you do it's better than the others. Starcraft is a competitive game solely based on skills stop trying to buff lack of it.
@@maripage3147 but the thing is they did do that in the past, and they are going to do that again soon. Infested Terran is gone, Nydus Worm and Infestor will also be nerfed.
I remember playing sc so much. I would get in my car and see scv's pass across my window. And when it was silent I would hear the sound of the mineing.
Blizzard should feel shameful that they made the game so imbalanced going into the WCS global finals... It's supposed to be the most exciting series possible probably except Maru vs. Serral, but it just ended quickly as expected.. The margin of error for Terrans is so small now, but the zergs are allowed to make all kinds of mistakes... My impression is that even if Maru were to play a perfect game, he would still lose... only 9000 views of this video.. GG starcraft... good luck we will still have sc3...
@@reddeatharena9218 You can watch the game and see the balance issues. Dark didn't do any of the things he's capable of that make him Dark, he just rolled Zerg.
Lmfao. Except that i remember that time from the game's release to about 2016 when it was literally terran and protoss win trading. Don't remember any T and P complaining then.
Maru is just waiting til things are more balanced to go beast mode again. Zergs right now just have to either Nydus or wait til Brood Lord/Infestor then it’s GG. Maru knows that so he’s just playing 2018 meta builds, which with his skill, is enough to get to the WCS quarterfinals.
The nydus limits terran options? The nydus is the only zerg midgame pressure that isnt straight suicide or all in. The number of possible openers terran has compared to zerg is hilarious. Furthermore its getting nerfed e different ways because all terrans know is cry cry cry.
@@leonardoprada1369 of course only expert players can talk properly about balance. But it seems to me that you don't have to be GM and you don't have to possess a deep knowledge of the game to have this basic feeling that maybe there is something wrong, when you see constantly many one-sided games like these. Maybe you don't even need to play sc2
@@w8stral I dont know how WCS fans deal with this. Coming over from primarily watching GSL, the video uploads, revealing thumbnails, and general "not even bothering to upload in the correct format" is literally gross and caused me to skip a lot of matches I might've otherwise watched.
To make zerg more balanced a few things they could do could be: - Overlords have less vision and speed upgrade back to 100 gas - Queens gain energy slower - Only add smaller maps to the pool - Less larva allowed per hatch, force out more proxy hactches and more apm on injects. Harder for zerg to remax too. - Short cool down to Queens transfuse. I personally think this would help balance zerg, What are your opinions?
I guess thats the problem with 3 races. You can't rlly nerf a race so much that it becomes bad, but how can you find the balance without hurting a race too much. I reckon they should program alpha star to create the ultimate balanced game. That'll shut us up xD
Fun stuff indeed. He makes it before the drop is picked up! After looking at it a few times I see he spots both bio balls in time then when maru combines them he knows it is a pool snipe. The extra pool is early enough to have a good amount of hp and breaks maru's flow. Insanely wp.
@@lordbry470 with range nerf on queens you will get oracle/banshee rushes in every single game since zerg anti air comes a bit late. Do you really want go air or go home matches every single time?
To the person above me: Kinda interesting how last year all GSL events were won by Zerg. Kinda interesting that this has never happened before. I think the patch after blizzcon says something: Broodling leash range decreased from 12 to 9 Removed the Infested Terran ability. Neural Parasite range decreased from 9 to 8. Nydus Worm cost increased from 50/50 to 75/75. Summon Nydus Worm ability cooldown increased from 0 to 14. Nydus Network and Nydus Worm initial unload delay increased from 0.18 to 0.36. Nydus Network and Nydus Worm load period increased from 0.09 to 0.18. Nydus Network and Nydus Worm unload period increased from 0.18 to 0.36.
You mean those hour long mech games where he would never attack and just wait for zerg to kill themselves against static d? Wasn't that rivetting either tbh...
If Terran or Protoss has a "GG" unit/structure like Nydus Network, or Infestors which instantly brought win rate to 90%+ in pro games, Zerg players would complain too. As of now, this ridiculousness is becoming unwatchable.
Dark didnt abuse on any of the things that many of us disucuss.. winfestors nydus etc.. so i dont know what u can possible make on them.. maybe dark is too stronk
The entire race is imbalanced. Most of the games Serral won at WCS had no Infestors, Nydus, etc. Not to say Serral isn't a great player, but he's not so much better than his Terran opponents that he should be getting KO matches every time.
Well he used nydus 😅 which forced 2+ tanks to be in main / base to defend it which is kinda good But i do agree this was more due to maru not performin well..
Hi, anyone know why Manu didn't use the 'fire bombs' he used on Serral's vipers, which is so effective for swarms? could be more effective against Dark's zerglings in game 1, He can't use marines against zerglings which can be re-spawned without cost every 30 sec or so.
Maru es el Dios de los Terran...pero ni aun así con el desbalance de fuerzas que tienen los zerg....no hay posibilidades de ganar...no se que dirá alphastar
I can't believe all of these people are complaining about balance when the skill difference is so obvious. Dark is the best player in the world right now and Maru is like what 20th? 10th? Maru failed to build a good counter to the mass ling hydra bane in the first game and just wasted all his tanks in trades. He got completely surprised by the tech change in the second game which will kill you in any matchup. Then in the final game in normal dark fashion he does an all in that killed Maru because he rushed a tier 3 capital ship to harass and then immediately followed up with wasting more units on a tank push, and failed to react quickly enough to two nydus building one after the other in his own main base. I don't know what balance you could make to change this. You people are taking sample sizes of literally 4-8 people once a year and then saying balance needs to change.
Give terran the science vessel from broodwar with irradiate which kills lurker/broodlords/vipers/infestors with one cast and brings ultras down to 50% That might be a small start towards balance.
There was a few years where Terran was simply OP, and same with Protoss, why suddenly everyone complaining about Zerg OP? PS: Dark is just very very good
Terran was op in sc2 beta and for a couple months after wings of liberty launched because the developer team had NO CLUE what they were doing. Then they hit terran with nerfs that basically took thors, reapers, bcs out of the game which plummeled terran winrates way below 50% and called it balanced. There where a couple spikes of winrates for terran over the years where the dev team again screwed up, like with the introduction of the insanely overpowered cyclones before those were nerfed too. Terran was never in a balanced state.
As soon as his medivac movement failed to go around the tower vision in the first game (8:55), it was a fairly simple statement to say he wasn't performing his best.
Maru should left after first game, just to show to Blizzard how imbalanced is the game right now.. there is currently no terran which can beat "good" zerg player.
@@instinctz1 I know this is old but did you take into consideration that in game 1 when zerg fought out of creep, sieged and spread out tanks, with great emps from ghosts, and still won those fights with about even supply that maru just became frustrated or threw him off? I mean its hard to perform well when you're doing what your supposed to be doing and it's not enough.
Chess are slow phase while rts games is fast phase. Chess master dont need fast reflex while rts game need reflex to match high apm of your enemy that why esport player reflex skill and fast hand deteriorate because of aging and resign from being pro player mid 20s while chess master dont cause u only need experience and tons of knowledge and strategy and u see a lot of old chess master still compete. Except fighting game since those game is less punishable of for fast reflex but need to compensate by predicting your opponent move.
Zerg is OP. I'm playing Zerg too its really not balanced.. Terran suck now. Protoss it's getting bad. Blizzard still don't fix those problems. Keep adjusting things but most are not that much. Edit: TBH blizzard knows this but they are biased. That's why I know 70% zerg will be champ on tournaments. Getting boring. Soon ZvZ all the time.
Zerg = higher damage low cost = win.. always.. Want to fix zerg Blizzard? Make unit cost more, like the rest terran and protoss... But don't listen to me blizzard because i am going to make a better RTS game.
Omg everyone whining “Zerg OP” but these games were just super standard stuff from Zerg with no broodlords-Maru was just playing way worse than he normally does and just rolling over and dying
Maru didn't play that bad. He stopped almost all the nyduses. The difference came when armies were traded zerg can instant remax and Terran can't. If rebuilding was equal speed, it would be very different games
@@standinonstilts there's no such thing as a zerg build order, zerg is the only race that doesn't need build orders, they are a reactive race, you just adapt on what your opponents doing
@@standinonstilts at pro levels no one uses a build order they just do it by istinct and muscle memory, i never user build order neither and managed to get top diamond multiple times, with indeed the zergs
@@sharkpyro93 Roach/rav timings, 2 base muta, etc. There is definitely a "reactive macro" style of zerg, but saying "there are no build orders" is just silly.
In my humble opinion - nerf queens. That’s the best way to stop this Zerg whitewash. The queen is sooo OP, they counter literally everything early game and with their transfuse they are immortal. All the Zerg player has to do to counter ANY early game pressure is build a few queens which ALSO spread creep.
You know they’re OP when a group of hellions and a reaper are too scared to go toe-to-toe with what essentially should be a base nanny unit (34:55)
Been saying this since they buffed it so long ago. Two queems can defend any drop. Use 4 queens to push creep and there's basically no way to stop them.
Game 1: 3:13
Game 2: 30:16
Game 3: 44:07
Bonus:
Maps: 2:56
Thx
@@Danielkqw Np ^^
Maru, only terran to make it to QUATERFINALS because he's a God but even God's can't beat zergs with the current balance
Nolan Christensen thanks for the spoilers
@@nmhalumni4489 Not much of a spoiler tbh
Being honest, Dark is also a God that has been winning/topping tournaments since like 2015. BUT this series shouldn't have been a 3-0. That is the real disappointment.
To be fair maru also played quite bad he used to be better at TvZ also if you look at his lasts TvZs he played way better than that..
lol maru fanboys are retarded
Zerg's instant remax is just OP.
Zerg is so broken, you can see in games when skill level is equal that Zerg always has the upper hand in any stage of the game beyond 3 minutes.
Before the Zerg rush was needed they were ahead then as well
Maru is laughing at the balancing the whole time, after game one he's like, "Why even try seriously lmao"
The sc2 dev team has lost their minds, how stupid are they to progress at this point in blizzcon where even the Zerg players have reach a consensus that Zerg is levels above terran and protoss.
Zerg's getting quite the nerf next patch tho.
@@ShinyKelp A bit too late.
@@Papi-qd4tc just in time for 2020 world series
this game should be renamed to ZergCraft2
No
I think this clip of the game should be named Path of Zerg at the end of title.
Ferra Torr f*ck you chump. This game sucks and I’ve been playing since before brood wars lol. I’m so sick of seeing pissant Z players win every tournament.
You’re spot on! I’ve been watching casts for 6-7 years and 9/10 ZvTs go to the Zerg. Why won’t blizzard realise and start sensible nerfs to Zerg?
Baneling must be fixed - heals points or speed. And in general. Zerg has too many abilities with striking large surfaces with huge damage. Amid the zerg’s abilities, the terran nuclear missile looks so squalid.
Like what is the point of these matches when Zerg always win?
salty terran tears brah
@Jesus Rosendo Serral just lost to Raynor though lol
But it is really weird the way they balance the game, you can see that Koreans are usually beast at micro and tend to have the stronger Protosses and Terrans. Foreigners (Europeans I mean) only ever had chance with Zerg. IdrA, Stephano, Scarlett, Serral and now Raynor, all the foreigners that matter at all (that can fight Koreans) are Zerg. Is a really weird tendency, and Blizzard always tended to favor Zerg in the balance, so...
I think the even weirder thing is that foreigners only have a chance with macro, that the micro still is really bad and no Protoss or Terran here can compare to the Koreans. Wouldn't it make more sense for "worse players" to be better at "cheese", aka faster, more micro intensive early game.
This game just doesn't make any sense really.
It is actually a good thing, now everyone who is blind also knows how OP Zerg is. Blizzard is gonna give them the nerf hammer and then Serral and the foreign zerg are gonna disappear into obscurity and the Korean Terrans will rise again.
@Jesus Rosendo Also, SC2 is popular with foreigners now. Koreans already don't care about SC2 hence the reason why they want to make a non-korean popular with all the "winnings".
agreed, zerg has too many CC, skills, play style and strategies... Terran sometime still can put up a match, but protoss nowadays is just sad
Is Dark really this much better than Maru? Nope. Even Rogue said after his match that Zerg isn't balanced.
PREACH!
Well to be fair this wasn't imbalance this was just maru not performing well
even said the fact is that 5 of the quarter finalists and 3 of the semi finalists are zerg players. The numbers speak for themselves. Thats more than half with three available races.
@Ektawan RUNGPANYARAT 17:41... Thats where i stopped watching... Not because Dark pushed into tanks, a planetary and mass bio and won with basically an A-Click (and 3 blinding clouds, to be fair), but because of the instant remax of Dark.
Salty Terran Tears 😭
12:38 When your date is going well.
at the end of the day - Zerg always wins
Not today zerg!
Dark just faster maybe
Ya know the result when the video is an hour long and zerg wins the first. Sad. ;-;
There is literally nothing terran can do vs zerg except get lucky. Maru was up with army supply AND upgrades and the Zerg just right clicked into Maru's army, and won.
Still watching 1st game, but Maru's herass was bad. Also, no hellbat vs mass ling?
The main problem is, T pro players are kinda trash when compared to the best Terrans we had in 2016-17(Like Taeja at its prime).
Look at game 2 for example, Zerg used a team comp that has not been changed in YEARS and still crushed Maru like if it was a Master player vs Diamond, on game 1 winfestors were not used, just Hydras that have finally become viable.
Where are the drops in 2 bases while doing a hellion run by on the third?
Or the 2 liberators harassment in 2 bases while dropping in the main?
Pro Terran player quality went down the sink, I hardly get to see games that remind me of the good old times and is not due to the balance, is more due to the quality of this T players.
@@zyos11 I'm pretty confident the Maru of today could beat Taeja at his prime. Serral would destroy Taeja too.
@@zyos11 maru is the best terran in history
Terran can cheese. If the zerg doesn't scout it there is a good chance. Macro game is just straight up impossible unless the zerg trolls with subpar unit compositions like ultra/lurker.
39:05 pls dont nerf zerg
WCS 2019 - 2 wins / 12 lose for Terran vs Zerg - Blizzard got the BalancingBlindingCloud in her brains
I know this is useless but, Blizzard do not balance the whole game over the top 100 players, the game is amazigly balanced, enough that even with a 1000 games played you would not be able to know if imba or variance. One explanation: Zerg is harder to master/play but once you do it's better than the others. Starcraft is a competitive game solely based on skills stop trying to buff lack of it.
@@maripage3147 but the thing is they did do that in the past, and they are going to do that again soon. Infested Terran is gone, Nydus Worm and Infestor will also be nerfed.
MariPage check out the stats on aligulac. Zerg has about 53% win rate against terran and even about 55% against protoss.
Love me the tears of the biomass!
It’s easy. ZvZvZvZ 😆
That second game prove that Dark is really good. Mutas where not scouted and very well used against Maru army.
Maru is the best Terran in the world, the only Terran who made it to blizzcon Rd of 8. and TvZ is his best match up. Didn't look like he had a chance
BC's should spawn space marines
I remember playing sc so much. I would get in my car and see scv's pass across my window. And when it was silent I would hear the sound of the mineing.
The stars aligned for Dark in this series!
Nerf zerg pls and buff terran make terran great again we are all human
Lol
Make the Terran/Human great again 😂😂😂
Trump ask you buff terran..
it's change you can count on>>>
big blizzard mistake, it is clear that the Zerg is not balanced, the Terra is always below the three races
Blizzard should feel shameful that they made the game so imbalanced going into the WCS global finals... It's supposed to be the most exciting series possible probably except Maru vs. Serral, but it just ended quickly as expected.. The margin of error for Terrans is so small now, but the zergs are allowed to make all kinds of mistakes... My impression is that even if Maru were to play a perfect game, he would still lose... only 9000 views of this video.. GG starcraft... good luck we will still have sc3...
sc3?
I think they said there won't be an Sc3
Balance for the sake of views and game income! ZvZ is boring and has been worn out
I want Warcraft 3
Another zerg won against a terran? What a surprising news!
Thanks for a spoiler. Not that I was surprised, though.
gfbox and its dark who known as one of the best Zerg
@@reddeatharena9218 You can watch the game and see the balance issues. Dark didn't do any of the things he's capable of that make him Dark, he just rolled Zerg.
he have done all the things very well, nearly ideal
Zerg is currently SO OP.... Is sad to be Terran in these conditions...after almost 10 years, this game is far from being balanced.
it's still the most balanced it has ever been, it's just that the zergs have units that can be very exploited in the late to supreme late game,
@@tagged581 terran is carzy for me
Did you see dark’s economy? It’s not balance salty boi, Maru never caught up.
@@echommm3621 They each had 77 workers one even bases at one point, and w/ mules Maru's economy was better than Dark's.
Lmfao. Except that i remember that time from the game's release to about 2016 when it was literally terran and protoss win trading. Don't remember any T and P complaining then.
Not even fun to watch when it looks this one sided.
wrg, one sidx or not doesnt matter
What u mean?
Why do pros use scans to kill creep when they have starport tech. A raven costs exactly 2 scans and has extra utility and is permanent...
Maru is just waiting til things are more balanced to go beast mode again. Zergs right now just have to either Nydus or wait til Brood Lord/Infestor then it’s GG. Maru knows that so he’s just playing 2018 meta builds, which with his skill, is enough to get to the WCS quarterfinals.
wasn't brood lord infestor nerfed in the latest patch?
18:24 WTF... lol that sudden burst of number of darks army..
Wait how old are these guys. Those wedding bands I spot on both of them?
the nydus is definately unfair... limit the terran very few options. all other units are obsolete
Nydus will be nerfed in next balance update. Cost increase and limits 1 nydus only
The nydus limits terran options? The nydus is the only zerg midgame pressure that isnt straight suicide or all in. The number of possible openers terran has compared to zerg is hilarious. Furthermore its getting nerfed e different ways because all terrans know is cry cry cry.
@@instinctz1 bronze
Is Dark on steroids? He destroyed my favorite player :(
nah blizzard was when they made zerg.
No, Zerg is just super OP.
@@wildcat8797 I guess your are GM to talk about balance ...
@@leonardoprada1369 of course only expert players can talk properly about balance.
But it seems to me that you don't have to be GM and you don't have to possess a deep knowledge of the game to have this basic feeling that maybe there is something wrong, when you see constantly many one-sided games like these.
Maybe you don't even need to play sc2
I heard he's been taking zergtosterone
Didn’t read the comments before watching because of trolls spoiling.
You will never get me!
As if it would matter, they publish the finals/quarterfinals before Ro8.... so....
@@w8stral I dont know how WCS fans deal with this. Coming over from primarily watching GSL, the video uploads, revealing thumbnails, and general "not even bothering to upload in the correct format" is literally gross and caused me to skip a lot of matches I might've otherwise watched.
everyone knows zerg will win
To make zerg more balanced a few things they could do could be:
- Overlords have less vision and speed upgrade back to 100 gas
- Queens gain energy slower
- Only add smaller maps to the pool
- Less larva allowed per hatch, force out more proxy hactches and more apm on injects. Harder for zerg to remax too.
- Short cool down to Queens transfuse.
I personally think this would help balance zerg, What are your opinions?
Good ideas, but none of them are addressing PvZ, except maybe the overlord changes, but do we really want to make Protoss more all-in dependent?
I guess thats the problem with 3 races. You can't rlly nerf a race so much that it becomes bad, but how can you find the balance without hurting a race too much.
I reckon they should program alpha star to create the ultimate balanced game. That'll shut us up xD
@ 10:20 dark makes a pool as soon as he sees the drop. by the time his 1st pool dies his 2nd one is already like a quarter done
Fun stuff indeed. He makes it before the drop is picked up! After looking at it a few times I see he spots both bio balls in time then when maru combines them he knows it is a pool snipe. The extra pool is early enough to have a good amount of hp and breaks maru's flow. Insanely wp.
If all else fails, cheese pump 100 lings in 15 seconds. There's no way the other race can produce faster than that.
This is as enjoyable to watch as blizzards selling out gamers to the Chinese government
They do ?
Moonglow yes, sadly
这很好呀 你个傻逼
Queens are more scary than a battlecruiser XD
Cheap and OP. The only disadvantage is slow speed without creep. It's really balance.
@@KhoaNguyen-fs6to The range and transfuse cost should be nerf imo.
@@lordbry470 with range nerf on queens you will get oracle/banshee rushes in every single game since zerg anti air comes a bit late. Do you really want go air or go home matches every single time?
WHERE ARE THE HELLIONS ?!
@Dieter Gaudlitz I think you can when you spamming siege tanks and cyclons (talking about first game)
Zerg broken race
What made Zerg "OP"? I haven't been keeping up with the patches.
Casters and the community bitching.
To the person above me: Kinda interesting how last year all GSL events were won by Zerg. Kinda interesting that this has never happened before.
I think the patch after blizzcon says something:
Broodling leash range decreased from 12 to 9
Removed the Infested Terran ability.
Neural Parasite range decreased from 9 to 8.
Nydus Worm cost increased from 50/50 to 75/75.
Summon Nydus Worm ability cooldown increased from 0 to 14.
Nydus Network and Nydus Worm initial unload delay increased from 0.18 to 0.36.
Nydus Network and Nydus Worm load period increased from 0.09 to 0.18.
Nydus Network and Nydus Worm unload period increased from 0.18 to 0.36.
@@jasongg7327 Zerg spotted. OP, the way creep is working, a few issues with vipers (and some infestor), and nydus.
Even Maru can't play like Maru
so sad. I miss his better days
I wish I knew how to grab my whole army and hit 1 A. Such sick micro.
By playing Zerg :D
Need marine drop pods would be op
If you are Zerg and you lose, you must be pretty bad
Yet when the other races are good, nobody discredits the players, dark is a very good player, it wasn't all due to zerg
Great games!
I used to love watch sc2. now I just can't bother with it because of the Zerg situation.
I miss the time when flash crushing zerg even in late game
You mean those hour long mech games where he would never attack and just wait for zerg to kill themselves against static d? Wasn't that rivetting either tbh...
They just have to reduce the supersized maps favoring zerg.
Yeah, bring back Steppes of War!
No, change the race design issues. You shouldn't have a race automatically win if the map is too large.
The problem doesn't lie with the maps. It lies with zerg.
Maru 4 vs 3 Dark... GSL Super Tourneament Season 1 2020 😉
If Terran or Protoss has a "GG" unit/structure like Nydus Network, or Infestors which instantly brought win rate to 90%+ in pro games, Zerg players would complain too. As of now, this ridiculousness is becoming unwatchable.
I used to play this game in 2015
awesome matches !!!
Dark didnt abuse on any of the things that many of us disucuss.. winfestors nydus etc.. so i dont know what u can possible make on them.. maybe dark is too stronk
The entire race is imbalanced. Most of the games Serral won at WCS had no Infestors, Nydus, etc. Not to say Serral isn't a great player, but he's not so much better than his Terran opponents that he should be getting KO matches every time.
People just like to cry about balance. Even if he would have won using only queens, people would still cry.
Well he used nydus 😅 which forced 2+ tanks to be in main / base to defend it which is kinda good
But i do agree this was more due to maru not performin well..
@@llllllllllll1106 Same as the drop threat of terran that forces unitis / static defense on side bases.
The main issue is creep spread , having 3/4 vision of the map by the 8 to 10th minute is ridiculous. Thats just maphacks implemented in a race.
Hi, anyone know why Manu didn't use the 'fire bombs' he used on Serral's vipers, which is so effective for swarms? could be more effective against Dark's zerglings in game 1, He can't use marines against zerglings which can be re-spawned without cost every 30 sec or so.
what?
I cant understand anything
Maru es el Dios de los Terran...pero ni aun así con el desbalance de fuerzas que tienen los zerg....no hay posibilidades de ganar...no se que dirá alphastar
I can't believe all of these people are complaining about balance when the skill difference is so obvious. Dark is the best player in the world right now and Maru is like what 20th? 10th? Maru failed to build a good counter to the mass ling hydra bane in the first game and just wasted all his tanks in trades. He got completely surprised by the tech change in the second game which will kill you in any matchup. Then in the final game in normal dark fashion he does an all in that killed Maru because he rushed a tier 3 capital ship to harass and then immediately followed up with wasting more units on a tank push, and failed to react quickly enough to two nydus building one after the other in his own main base. I don't know what balance you could make to change this. You people are taking sample sizes of literally 4-8 people once a year and then saying balance needs to change.
Who's this idiot
Tanks need to do way more splash damage to lings.
thats why they got hellions, they are ment to shell at the hydras and roachs, not deal with the lings :P
"lets give zerg ravagers so they can snipe sieged tanks"
no
@@nerowolf1234 Tank/bio gets absolutely wrecked by ling/bane
@@nerowolf1234 - when new balance patch rolls out might see some mix up with blue flame hellbats. Could make a difference.
Maybe add a tier 3 upgrade that gives each terran rax a minigun that does the dps of a marine or something.
Give terran the science vessel from broodwar with irradiate which kills lurker/broodlords/vipers/infestors with one cast and brings ultras down to 50%
That might be a small start towards balance.
game 1 is a simple battle of attrition
Maru creo que ya pasaron sus buenos años...
I want nerf zerg, holyshit
There was a few years where Terran was simply OP, and same with Protoss, why suddenly everyone complaining about Zerg OP? PS: Dark is just very very good
People complained about those back then. People like to complain.
"if one thing was OP, the most logical thing to do is make the other thing OP. Aiming for balance is a bad idea" - Jim Su
Terran was op in sc2 beta and for a couple months after wings of liberty launched because the developer team had NO CLUE what they were doing. Then they hit terran with nerfs that basically took thors, reapers, bcs out of the game which plummeled terran winrates way below 50% and called it balanced. There where a couple spikes of winrates for terran over the years where the dev team again screwed up, like with the introduction of the insanely overpowered cyclones before those were nerfed too. Terran was never in a balanced state.
why scarlet dont play...🙁
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Maru better Zerg is op
I really think Bio against Zerg is the worst possible unit comp at this point. Zerg can smash through bio like a sledge hammer on a glass surface.
Mech is the only hope. I'm not gonna say mech is viable but at least there is a dream there. Bio is just suicide.
Maru seemed really tired right ?
OBJECTIF TPE 20/20 yeah. Seemed like Maru mailed this one in
Tired of zerg being OP for sure ya
As soon as his medivac movement failed to go around the tower vision in the first game (8:55), it was a fairly simple statement to say he wasn't performing his best.
so stupides zergs.... really need nerf or buff terrans is just boring and unbalanced
no infestor.. no infested terran... zerg still won so all the nerfs were unneseccary actually.. .
Maru should left after first game, just to show to Blizzard how imbalanced is the game right now.. there is currently no terran which can beat "good" zerg player.
The only game that was lost due to balance was game 1. Game 2 and 3 maru got outplayed.
@@instinctz1 I know this is old but did you take into consideration that in game 1 when zerg fought out of creep, sieged and spread out tanks, with great emps from ghosts, and still won those fights with about even supply that maru just became frustrated or threw him off? I mean its hard to perform well when you're doing what your supposed to be doing and it's not enough.
He is obligated to play by contract.
These fps drops/lags really sucks.
i wonder how chess masters/players would do at this game
Chess are slow phase while rts games is fast phase. Chess master dont need fast reflex while rts game need reflex to match high apm of your enemy that why esport player reflex skill and fast hand deteriorate because of aging and resign from being pro player mid 20s while chess master dont cause u only need experience and tons of knowledge and strategy and u see a lot of old chess master still compete. Except fighting game since those game is less punishable of for fast reflex but need to compensate by predicting your opponent move.
Another 3-0 Maru failure.
NEXT!
Zerg is OP. I'm playing Zerg too its really not balanced.. Terran suck now. Protoss it's getting bad. Blizzard still don't fix those problems. Keep adjusting things but most are not that much.
Edit: TBH blizzard knows this but they are biased. That's why I know 70% zerg will be champ on tournaments. Getting boring. Soon ZvZ all the time.
Zerg = higher damage low cost = win.. always.. Want to fix zerg Blizzard? Make unit cost more, like the rest terran and protoss... But don't listen to me blizzard because i am going to make a better RTS game.
Zerg is so OP
I always enjoy watching T and Z gameplay. Not a fan of P, they r not supper mobile like T or high rusher like Z at all
Nate Dog is that guy.
Zerg OP
zerg OP
no widow mines?
So unbalanced... Make terran great again pls..
Maps too big yea
Maru got smoked.. too bad, I really want terran to advance
I feel sorry for terran players lol
He got the GG!!!!!
are we sure that was maru playing, and not the alphastar terran agent?!?
Zerg isnt OP , you need other techniqs to win
My favorite two casters.
Omg everyone whining “Zerg OP” but these games were just super standard stuff from Zerg with no broodlords-Maru was just playing way worse than he normally does and just rolling over and dying
Maru was playing really well, but not even he can beat a Zerg past 20 minutes unless they just start throwing their army.
Maru didn't play that bad. He stopped almost all the nyduses. The difference came when armies were traded zerg can instant remax and Terran can't. If rebuilding was equal speed, it would be very different games
What happened to Maru? He definitely wasn't performing his best. If I didn't know that it was Maru, I would never believe this!
He just gave up after the 1st game. He didn't see a point in playing.
You guys are complaining about balance, but Terran just didnt perform as well as Zerg. He got starved out.
Nerf-Craft. lol. Why play Terran. Takes too long to build stuff, no good spam, no exciting build orders.
Because none of that is what makes the game exciting. Zerg build orders aren't interesting either.
@@standinonstilts there's no such thing as a zerg build order, zerg is the only race that doesn't need build orders, they are a reactive race, you just adapt on what your opponents doing
@@sharkpyro93 that's absolutely not true
@@standinonstilts at pro levels no one uses a build order they just do it by istinct and muscle memory, i never user build order neither and managed to get top diamond multiple times, with indeed the zergs
@@sharkpyro93 Roach/rav timings, 2 base muta, etc. There is definitely a "reactive macro" style of zerg, but saying "there are no build orders" is just silly.
So late to watching, i wanna watching after live match 1 hour
Tieng Anh nhu lo`n!
Zerg is to Opie they need to Nerf it
thx for loading the semi finals with names. I’m not gonna watch this video now