Y’know considering how the last time Eggman created robots with free will, he ended up with Scratch, Grounder, Orbot, and Cubot and even 102-Gamma. You can kind of see why he thought an army with free will was a bad idea
@@BJGvideosYes, though she originally wasn't supposed to. She was supposed to be a mere assistant to help Eggman study Cyber Space until an alien encounter granted her sentience. From then on, her genuine desire to keep Eggman safe left a mark on him.
The reason for the Thwomp killed infinite in one shot is because infinite was applying more gravity to it when it spawned in making it go faster and smashing harder against the floor.
Tracking Sage Throughout Bowser Vs. Eggman, and Explaining Why One Billion Simulations Wasn't Enough; 1. Sage appears once Bowser has been 'defeated'. She claims that "the fight is over before it has begun," likely meaning that whatever plan she put into action (playing Infinite early, using Metal Sonic as a contingency to grab the Ruby, and unleashing Neo Metal if that failed) had succeeded. She believes the fight has already ended. 2. Fury Bowser is introduced, and his flashy introduction gives Sage time to run further scenarios. With this in mind, she suddenly flees, retreating to gague Bowser's power, and possibly, ensure Neo Metal is still in the fight. 3. Sage suddenly reappears, granting a shield for Eggman. Notably, she holds this shield even when Bowser slams down on it, meaning that she wasn't just protecting Eggman from the black spikes, but she was likely buying time for Neo Metal to transform. 4. This gambit pays off, and Super Neo Metal Sonic proceeds to body the shit out of Bowser. The empire has their win condition, and Sage her mission: protect Eggman while Neo Metal cleans up. One small problem; Chance Time could still swipe the Emeralds. 5. Thus, a solution presents itself; bait out Kamek. She launches a barrage of Badniks at Fury Bowser, a feeble attack, but one that would cause any worthwhile sorcerer to fret about their king with how many she launched. Kamek shows up and, taking the bait, blocks the assault. 6. Once more, this pays off; Super Neo Metal is more than strong enough to burst through the barricade, and eliminate Kamek. Unfortunately, one small problem becomes one BIG problem... 7. ... When Junior hits the ground. Invoking a rage in Bowser that eclipsed his previous fury. 8. Bowser consumes a Grand Star, and blasts Neo Metal. Sage has no clue what a Grand Star is capable of, and is likely convinced that Super Neo Metal could handle it... But the data lies to her, as she watches Metal not only lose his super form as it's completely overwhelmed, but be irreparably annihilated. 9. Sage's "no!" Is so telling. That was it. That was their path to victory, paved over because of one stupid mistake. A miscalculation due to a lack of data. 10. Suddenly, everything is happening all at once. Tons of new factors are introduced out of nowhere, as Bowser creates a black hole that consumes most of Eggman's fleet and weaponry. It even rips apart the Death Egg Robot. She can't run simulations and scenarios, if new factors keep showing up. And since the black hole doesn't consume everything, she can't run the data with full confidence, as she can't keep track of what she is and isn't able to factor in. And then, as Eggman makes a call, she does what she was programmed to do. 11. Sage follows orders. Why wouldn't she? The Death Egg is available, she has the Emeralds, surely a blast from orbit empowered by the seven Chaos Emeralds would be enough to win. It might destroy their army. 12. She doesn't aim at Bowser, aiming it at Bowsers army having seen his protectiveness over it to bait him into tanking the attack. 13. And he takes the bait, ending Bowser and presumably leaving his army without their king.... 14. But it doesn't, and Bowser's BONES get right back up again reanimating with magic she has no data on. 15. She escapes transmutation, but what does she even do? Where does she go from here? All their options just either got annihilated by a black hole, or turned into a goddamn cube. Her only option, as seen in the aftermath, is to wait. Bide her time so she can figure out... What the hell she even CAN do anymore. Basically; there were far too many variables that even if eggman DID have literally all possible information on bowser that accounting for all of them would be quite literally impossible, countering all of them would be impossible, they do not have the tech available to counter Bowsers army even with archie stuff, including things like the time stones which control all of time, given bowser has willed himself through time and space and kamek has magic to do the same, it'd not actually work on him, or it might for a second before bowser just uses one of his reality warping items to erase time itself and the stones for good measure, just to restore it later AFTER turning eggman into ground beef. Sonics world doesn't really have power ups in the same way bowsers does as well, plus they are infinitely more plentiful, not to mention items like the retry clock (which sets the battle back to the beginning and doesn't matter if time is erased or not) 1 up mushrooms (which are canon in mario as extra lives given that in one of the galaxy games if you are doing a luigi mission {I think it was guiding him somewhere?} and you fall into a black hole, luigi will ask if you are ok because he heard a scream) and an innumerable other options that bowser could just summon at all times, fire flowers, pow blocks, stop watch (which doesn't have to have time exist to work either it's more like a status effect that freezes literally everything in place)
This is probably the best write up I've seen about Sage I've seen in the comments. While I don't know too much about her given I didn't play the game, I caught onto the "NO" she let out when Metal went down which for a AI that's supposed to be able to calculate all sorts of scenarios, theories, and possible outcomes... That's probably a BAD sign if it's coming from her. Whatever the plan to beat him 'before the battle began' is by that point COMPLETELY off the rails.
@@MerlinCross13 yep, the biggest issue eggman has against bowser is he never takes magic into account, and bowsers kingdom is FULL of magic users, magic items (power ups), actual magic (magikoopas), and even paranormal magic (boos and other ghosts)
@@folmhaigh039Another comment mentions that Sage never takes emotions into account. She wouldn’t expect Jr, a kid with a magic paintbrush, to do anything meaningful against someone empowered by the CHAOS EMERALDS, and likely didn’t think much of it or thinks that it would be good due to it getting rid of one of the enemies generals. But she didn’t know ONE rule when it comes to Bowser. One rule that costed her EVERYTHING: DON’T PISS OFF BOWSER, and hurting Jr is the FASTEST way to do that.
@@Annihilate0405 she wouldn't even understand the magic paintbrush lmao, the big problem against eggman in this fight is he, and as consequence sage, NEVER take into account magic at all, he literally writes it off.
@ Even if Sage did, she wouldn’t tell Eggman lol as that would annoy him. Either way, pissing Bowser off is the worst thing you can do, and hurting Jr is the fastest way to do it.
While technically true. I wouldnt say its without controversy, if it werent for the Infinite Thwomp meme. I'd say it'd be pretty divisive. But the memes are too powerful. 😂 they unite people together
"All they have to do is knock them out of their little advent calendar..." The way you kill Imposters in their game is literally just pushing them off a ledge.
The thought of Bowser dying and the rest of his army killing Eggman for it just makes me think of that JoJo meme with two people kicking the guy on the floor and the other guy just sipping some tea, but replaced with Bowser Jr, Kamek, Eggman and King Boo respectively.
I would honestly say this fight would be a stalemate if it weren't for them low-balling Eggman's number of utilities. He has multiple phantom Rubies, not just one, time ripper was never used, metal never got his final form, and Light Man was never even considered for some reason
Light Man was considered, he was just heavily countered by Castle Bowser. And the Time Eater would be erased by Dreamy Bowser with a simple wish. Also, Metal's final was used in the animation, Super Neo Metal, Metal Overlord is way weaker than a form powered by seven chaos emeralds.
You're sleeping on Fall Guys. With or without crossovers, Fall Guys are universal in base game and outerversal with Fortnite scaling. That being said Among Us imposters and crewmates can get around similar levels, but Fall Guys are way more durable and stronger than the Susus Amogus. Also the guy who did the vocals for this track is also doing the vocals for OriginTheHero's Ben 10 vs Jaden Yuki fight which makes me super hyped whenever that releases.
@acertainmysteriousvirtuoso6150 We don't know if they're using crossovers or not. Even if they're not Fall Guy's durability and raw AP is still higher than the Imposters. And I didn't forget to mention the vocalist sang Bury The Light I just didn't bring it up because they already brought it up in the video.
I mean memes aside you are definitely super underselling Infinite. The guy kicked Sonics ass twice, beat Silver, beat Shadow off screen, killed an entire army by himself, and even in his final battle with Sonic Sonic needed help from the Rookie Say what you will about Infinite's writing but the guy was definitely one of the strongest villains in the series.
You guys need to either pause the video when your talking, or talk about it at the end of the video. Because you miss a lot of shit and points where you talking over them just ruins it.
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Y’know considering how the last time Eggman created robots with free will, he ended up with Scratch, Grounder, Orbot, and Cubot and even 102-Gamma. You can kind of see why he thought an army with free will was a bad idea
Does Sage have free will?
@@BJGvideos Yeah I'd say so
You mean E-102 Gamma and E-123 Omega. E-101 Beta was loyal to Eggman
@@richardquinata76 Gamma yes, my bad 101-beta is the boss with the kamehameha and back hand
@@BJGvideosYes, though she originally wasn't supposed to. She was supposed to be a mere assistant to help Eggman study Cyber Space until an alien encounter granted her sentience. From then on, her genuine desire to keep Eggman safe left a mark on him.
The reason for the Thwomp killed infinite in one shot is because infinite was applying more gravity to it when it spawned in making it go faster and smashing harder against the floor.
It was later confirmed that Infinite actually survived getting hit by the Thwomp, but now he's stewing over how useless he was.
The reason the Thwomp killed Infinite is because he is contractually mandated to job
It could just have been a clone but no
@@richardquinata76 The fact that that's completely in character makes his defeat that much more valid AND more hilarious.
Infinite having infinite speed but not being able to react to a thwomp is his entire character in a nutshell
1:46 I hope they don’t shit on metal,
The fight: metal carrying the whole team on his back
“Debunk videos are cringe”
New sub acquired
Hit the nail on the head
Every time your friend says its the Egg Wyvern I die inside, ITS THE EGG DRAGOON!
this is the only roasting of Emily I will allow in this comment section
@Kobuddy cool thanks
Tracking Sage Throughout Bowser Vs. Eggman, and Explaining Why One Billion Simulations Wasn't Enough;
1. Sage appears once Bowser has been 'defeated'. She claims that "the fight is over before it has begun," likely meaning that whatever plan she put into action (playing Infinite early, using Metal Sonic as a contingency to grab the Ruby, and unleashing Neo Metal if that failed) had succeeded. She believes the fight has already ended.
2. Fury Bowser is introduced, and his flashy introduction gives Sage time to run further scenarios. With this in mind, she suddenly flees, retreating to gague Bowser's power, and possibly, ensure Neo Metal is still in the fight.
3. Sage suddenly reappears, granting a shield for Eggman. Notably, she holds this shield even when Bowser slams down on it, meaning that she wasn't just protecting Eggman from the black spikes, but she was likely buying time for Neo Metal to transform.
4. This gambit pays off, and Super Neo Metal Sonic proceeds to body the shit out of Bowser. The empire has their win condition, and Sage her mission: protect Eggman while Neo Metal cleans up. One small problem; Chance Time could still swipe the Emeralds.
5. Thus, a solution presents itself; bait out Kamek. She launches a barrage of Badniks at Fury Bowser, a feeble attack, but one that would cause any worthwhile sorcerer to fret about their king with how many she launched. Kamek shows up and, taking the bait, blocks the assault.
6. Once more, this pays off; Super Neo Metal is more than strong enough to burst through the barricade, and eliminate Kamek. Unfortunately, one small problem becomes one BIG problem...
7. ... When Junior hits the ground. Invoking a rage in Bowser that eclipsed his previous fury.
8. Bowser consumes a Grand Star, and blasts Neo Metal. Sage has no clue what a Grand Star is capable of, and is likely convinced that Super Neo Metal could handle it... But the data lies to her, as she watches Metal not only lose his super form as it's completely overwhelmed, but be irreparably annihilated.
9. Sage's "no!" Is so telling. That was it. That was their path to victory, paved over because of one stupid mistake. A miscalculation due to a lack of data.
10. Suddenly, everything is happening all at once. Tons of new factors are introduced out of nowhere, as Bowser creates a black hole that consumes most of Eggman's fleet and weaponry. It even rips apart the Death Egg Robot. She can't run simulations and scenarios, if new factors keep showing up. And since the black hole doesn't consume everything, she can't run the data with full confidence, as she can't keep track of what she is and isn't able to factor in. And then, as Eggman makes a call, she does what she was programmed to do.
11. Sage follows orders. Why wouldn't she? The Death Egg is available, she has the Emeralds, surely a blast from orbit empowered by the seven Chaos Emeralds would be enough to win. It might destroy their army.
12. She doesn't aim at Bowser, aiming it at Bowsers army having seen his protectiveness over it to bait him into tanking the attack.
13. And he takes the bait, ending Bowser and presumably leaving his army without their king....
14. But it doesn't, and Bowser's BONES get right back up again reanimating with magic she has no data on.
15. She escapes transmutation, but what does she even do? Where does she go from here? All their options just either got annihilated by a black hole, or turned into a goddamn cube. Her only option, as seen in the aftermath, is to wait. Bide her time so she can figure out... What the hell she even CAN do anymore.
Basically; there were far too many variables that even if eggman DID have literally all possible information on bowser that accounting for all of them would be quite literally impossible, countering all of them would be impossible, they do not have the tech available to counter Bowsers army even with archie stuff, including things like the time stones which control all of time, given bowser has willed himself through time and space and kamek has magic to do the same, it'd not actually work on him, or it might for a second before bowser just uses one of his reality warping items to erase time itself and the stones for good measure, just to restore it later AFTER turning eggman into ground beef.
Sonics world doesn't really have power ups in the same way bowsers does as well, plus they are infinitely more plentiful, not to mention items like the retry clock (which sets the battle back to the beginning and doesn't matter if time is erased or not) 1 up mushrooms (which are canon in mario as extra lives given that in one of the galaxy games if you are doing a luigi mission {I think it was guiding him somewhere?} and you fall into a black hole, luigi will ask if you are ok because he heard a scream) and an innumerable other options that bowser could just summon at all times, fire flowers, pow blocks, stop watch (which doesn't have to have time exist to work either it's more like a status effect that freezes literally everything in place)
This is probably the best write up I've seen about Sage I've seen in the comments. While I don't know too much about her given I didn't play the game, I caught onto the "NO" she let out when Metal went down which for a AI that's supposed to be able to calculate all sorts of scenarios, theories, and possible outcomes... That's probably a BAD sign if it's coming from her. Whatever the plan to beat him 'before the battle began' is by that point COMPLETELY off the rails.
@@MerlinCross13 yep, the biggest issue eggman has against bowser is he never takes magic into account, and bowsers kingdom is FULL of magic users, magic items (power ups), actual magic (magikoopas), and even paranormal magic (boos and other ghosts)
@@folmhaigh039Another comment mentions that Sage never takes emotions into account. She wouldn’t expect Jr, a kid with a magic paintbrush, to do anything meaningful against someone empowered by the CHAOS EMERALDS, and likely didn’t think much of it or thinks that it would be good due to it getting rid of one of the enemies generals. But she didn’t know ONE rule when it comes to Bowser. One rule that costed her EVERYTHING: DON’T PISS OFF BOWSER, and hurting Jr is the FASTEST way to do that.
@@Annihilate0405 she wouldn't even understand the magic paintbrush lmao, the big problem against eggman in this fight is he, and as consequence sage, NEVER take into account magic at all, he literally writes it off.
@ Even if Sage did, she wouldn’t tell Eggman lol as that would annoy him. Either way, pissing Bowser off is the worst thing you can do, and hurting Jr is the fastest way to do it.
"Man, poor Eggman... I'd betray him too." cold as *ice*, lol
I would be upset at Infinite dying so quickly if it wasn't so funny.
They did him so dirty
The *"GET A LOAD OF THIS!"* and *"SHOWTIME!"* were perfect 💜🎮🔥
Glad you all are back btw!
That and the 'Black Flash' was in fact, not a Black Flash. It was moreso a nod to the final knockout hit in, say, SSBU or a critical hit
While technically true. I wouldnt say its without controversy, if it werent for the Infinite Thwomp meme. I'd say it'd be pretty divisive.
But the memes are too powerful. 😂 they unite people together
"Memes the DNA of the soul."
"All they have to do is knock them out of their little advent calendar..." The way you kill Imposters in their game is literally just pushing them off a ledge.
The thought of Bowser dying and the rest of his army killing Eggman for it just makes me think of that JoJo meme with two people kicking the guy on the floor and the other guy just sipping some tea, but replaced with Bowser Jr, Kamek, Eggman and King Boo respectively.
42:28 bro had inside information
16:30 Oh my gosh! The Shot that got called!
I would honestly say this fight would be a stalemate if it weren't for them low-balling Eggman's number of utilities. He has multiple phantom Rubies, not just one, time ripper was never used, metal never got his final form, and Light Man was never even considered for some reason
Light Man was considered, he was just heavily countered by Castle Bowser. And the Time Eater would be erased by Dreamy Bowser with a simple wish. Also, Metal's final was used in the animation, Super Neo Metal, Metal Overlord is way weaker than a form powered by seven chaos emeralds.
You're sleeping on Fall Guys. With or without crossovers, Fall Guys are universal in base game and outerversal with Fortnite scaling. That being said Among Us imposters and crewmates can get around similar levels, but Fall Guys are way more durable and stronger than the Susus Amogus. Also the guy who did the vocals for this track is also doing the vocals for OriginTheHero's Ben 10 vs Jaden Yuki fight which makes me super hyped whenever that releases.
Yeah about that, their not gonna include collabs. You kinda forgot that the vocalist of this mu's track is the same vocalist who sang bury the light
@acertainmysteriousvirtuoso6150 We don't know if they're using crossovers or not. Even if they're not Fall Guy's durability and raw AP is still higher than the Imposters. And I didn't forget to mention the vocalist sang Bury The Light I just didn't bring it up because they already brought it up in the video.
Ngl after watching this battle, it made me want to make a lizardfolk or tortle race sorcerer dnd character 😂
Great video guys; y'all are good quality.
I mean memes aside you are definitely super underselling Infinite.
The guy kicked Sonics ass twice, beat Silver, beat Shadow off screen, killed an entire army by himself, and even in his final battle with Sonic Sonic needed help from the Rookie
Say what you will about Infinite's writing but the guy was definitely one of the strongest villains in the series.
Wholeheartedly reccomend you watch Among Us vs Fall Guys. It's ridiculous, funny, and the animation is stellar!
I was wondering if anyone else noticed the Korone clip, lol
I wish there where more gacha reactions of this .
You guys need to either pause the video when your talking, or talk about it at the end of the video. Because you miss a lot of shit and points where you talking over them just ruins it.
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