It (2017) - Sibling Rivalry
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- Опубликовано: 11 окт 2024
- It has finally hit the big screen! Is it as good as they say? Well...It's complicated. Doug and Rob review the 2017 version of Stephen King's It.
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The clear message of It is "Face your fears to overcome them, but you don't need to face them alone... real friends will tag along with you." There.
Carl Mart ok... That's Stand By Me... Why did it needed a Killer Clown?
David Sosa why Lord of The Rings needed elves and orcs? Why Star Wars needed space wizards? Some movies tell a story and have message that is not entirely connected to the settings or worlds they create.
Atom Turtle Yeah, pretty much. The pregnant ancient evil alien thing that's not actually a killer clown was there to inject steroids on the fear element of the story. If we want to question the presence of fear-instilling motherfuckers we already disregarded 80% of H.P. Lovecraft's work and we know what an influential figure the man has been in horror and sci-fi. King probably wanted to expand on what he did with The Body and make it more epic and creepier, and he's in his full right to do so and the result was pretty awesome, so there.
+David Sosa Its so cute you can't even see the stupidity behind your own reply. The main theme of the story is to overcome you own fears and personal demons. Which character do you think embodies those fears? Maybe a shape-shifting extradimensional being that can turn into your biggest fears and can only be defeated once you believe in yourself and learn to overcome that same fear IT uses against you? THE CHARACTER HAS A THEMATIC PURPOSE BY SERVING AS THE MAIN ANTAGONIST. That's why his presence is mandatory, jesus christ.
well both stories were written by king. =P
Excuse me Doug, do you have Prince Albert...in a can?
YOU DO?!
Well, ya better let the poor guy out!
WA-HA! WA-HA! WA-HA! WA-HA! WA-HA! WA-HA! WA-HA!
I got that joke. XD
um King Edward "Longshanks" I, Hammer of the Scots, Lord of Wales and King of England your Done for the day. we got a movie to film here and ur really not helping. please leave. ok we will just film around u.
Don't worry people he will be punish he'll be in Charlie Angles soon enough.
King Edward "Longshanks" I, Hammer of the Scots, Lord of Wales and King of England
Its your time to float eddie
Love the name
King Edward "Longshanks" I, Hammer of the Scots, Lord of Wales and King of England
Excuse me rob is your refrigerator running? It is? Well you better catch it before it runs away. Wahhawahawaha
14:14
"I feel sorry for this director, I feel sorry for everyone involved...."
I guarantee you none of them feel bad about this film. XD
It's breaking numbers and entertaining millions.
Rhett Gedies Yeah everyone involved is at the peak of their lives RN. They just made a well reviewed horror movie that is making numbers unprecedented for the genre
This just shows people like wathver shit nowadays.
Ok? Thanks for the opinion share. I thought this film was pretty darn good.
Carlos Garzon No, it shows you're in the minority of people who didn't like the movie. Movie was good, and it deserves the praise, get over it.
I'm so sorry you are the top grossing horror movie of all time.
From Rob's Facebook:
"And before I get all the King fans thumping on me, let me just say that disliking IT is not a reflection of Stephen King as a whole.
I like Stephen King. Seems like an awesome guy with a great sense of humor (SEE: Attached Meme). I also appreciate his technical style a LOT. And he wrote plenty of books I love.
All I'm saying is that things like Misery, The Body (Stand By Me), Delores Claiborne, The Stand, his numerous short stories, and -- hell, even The Shining -- all blow IT out of the water for me.
I'm just not a fan of that book.
And it would be intellectually dishonest of me not to mention that in my review. Because if a movie is trying hard to emulate the source material, and I don't like that source material, you have the right to know that."
I thought the bill skarsgard pennywise was great. He was very creepy however he also had the super dark humor down. And I think it would have to be intentional, specifically the scene where Mike's getting bullied. Pennywise is spotted and waves at him with some other kids arm, that was fucking hilarious, and I feel like it's too funny to not be on purpose
Creepily, I think that was Georgie's arm that he bit off earlier.
That scene was hilarious.
Kaelan McDowell When the performance shows, there's so much energy and strain as he taunts and persuades. It can't be unintentional, he's just too much fun! It sucks that a lot of his work is diluted through the effects, but Skårsgard gave one hell of a thrill-ride. Really put the effort.
I laughed whenever pennywise would just stop what he's doing and there's silence. Like pennywise.exe stopped working
Aloha732 no it wasint he had killd another kid before that part
Who saw that creepy house and thought "hey look. MONSTER HOUSE.
I'm with ya, bro.
Same here too :D
Nah I didn’t. I thought “hey that’s what I imagined in the novel which came out in the 80s way before monster house”
I respect your opinion but I wholeheartedly disagree with everything you just said.
Chandler Bing true story
100%. This film was incredibly fun. It has heart. It has SO MUCH charm
Agree its amazing film also love the chandler Bing thing favorite friends character
Fun fact: Pennywise is not the monster. 'It' is the monster. That's the point. He's not meant to be either funny OR particularly frightening. 'It' is a pan-dimensional, eternal and all-consuming force of evil that affects the form of a carnival clown (one of many forms), but he's not ACTUALLY supposed to look or feel like a clown, especially not to kids. At no point in the book is any child drawn toward Pennywise. The clown guise is meant to freak them out, because It likes to feed on the kids when they're terrified. The Pennywise character is a game to It.
Pennywise is theatrical. Pennywise is basically some cosmic, Lovecraftian devourer deciding to have some grisly fun by dressing up as Hamill's Joker. All It's other manifestations are the result of individual's kid's traumas (Eddie's hypochondria, Beverly's sexual abuse, Bill's grief and guilt, Mike being the only black kid in town etc.), which, according to It, are easier to shape into a corporeal form because of a kid's more fertile imagination.
In the book, the kids notice that when Pennywise appears (I believe it was in the moving book/picture), the adults seemed to not notice and the kids were running AWAY from him! It's been awhile since I read the book so hopefully someone will correct me if I'm wrong on this.
Mhm.
"It"/Pennywise could be possible representation of the H.P Lovecraft character Nyalahotep. (I think that's how it's spelt) There are similarites; both can and have assumed different forms throughout time, are tricksters and deceivers by nature and both are associated with fear and madness. I believe Nyalohetep has gone by the name Randal Flagg as well who is the antagonist in one of Kings other works The Stand.
I will nitpick a little to say that Georgie in the novel, while at first really unnerved by Pennywise, feels more at ease when Pennywise's eyes go blue and he starts talking to him (though it's definitely the lure of getting the boat back that keeps him there). That said, he is still creeped out a little, and I thought they portrayed that well in the film. But I totally agree that otherwise, Pennywise just freaks out and/or terrifies all of the other kids (in the varying eras) it encounters, so you're bang on with that. I loved the film, and it's now one of my favourite Stephen King adaptations.
I don't think It is even supposed to be a scary story. It's more about friendship and dealing with childhood problems. It is just the supernatural enemy that connects the group of friends together because they're all forced to deal with him at some point.
You guys are allowed to disagree with them but that's no reason to attack them.
"The scariest thing in the whole fucking thing is the humans."
Thats basically the point of the book/movie. Atleast one of the points.
The best way I could put it is "The miniseries is a great B-movie, The film is a great big-budget horror movie" They aren't instantly comparable, but come with different strengths and weaknesses for what they were trying to do, so which one you like more (if you like them at all) depends on what you're looking for. (Long-ass comparison below the cut, beware!)
I find Tim Curry as Pennywise campy and fun to watch, but not scary. I found Bill Skarsgård scary, but his personality didn't get as many chances to shine through as Curry (when it does it really works though, I love his introduction and the confrontations). Tim Curry is more memorable imo but Skarsgård still does a great job.
The mini-series relies more on creepy imagery (as much as they could allow) but it doesn't always work and can get a bit silly. The remake has more jump scares (but not too many), which can detract from it, but what creepy imagery is there is well done (the scene in the house is probably my favourite in the entire movie).
The child actors in both are solid, I buy that they're friends and the personalities are consistent, it just depends which performance is more to your taste (60's kids going to the movies and building dams or 80's kids riding on their bikes and shooting the shit). Same for the bullies, do you want evil greasers or evil metalheads?
Both movies also fall into the trap of having random silly moments that didn't do the film any favours, but didn't ruin the overall experience for me (the miniseries had a, in my opinion, lame showdown with the villain and weird editing that took away from the creepiness; but the remake has random 80's montages and jokes that could have worked but are put in at jarring moments, like Rob pointed out). I never thought the movie "didn't know what it was doing" though, those moments take up like 5 minutes of 2 hours.
If you aren't a fan of the original story, it won't change your mind, so I'm not surprised Doug and Rob don't care for it. If you are though, or just like a good creature feature, give it a look see. I had a blast myself.
Good god I didn't realize how long this comment was, I'm sorry!
Don't apologize Ally, I think it's a fair write up myself. I'm on the side that says Tim Curry's Pennywise is more approachable (to young kids) than Bill's, but either way both are great. And I love the novel but realize not everyone does!
Ally Gator Animator first of all, it's not a remake. the mini series are a bunch of hour long episodes on network tv made with a pg 13 rating back in the 90's. The movie is an adaptation from the book. Now, the reason why they have those silly moments are for 2 reason. one is to remind people that they are still kids. even though they're going through all of this be, they're still 10 year old kids, and kids like to have fun. the other reason for them silly moments is because you need a rest point. a movie can't be all tension and scares or it's going to make people get used to the tension that when something happens, they can't react making the movie boring.
The thing is, semantics aside, my points about both versions still stand, as (like I said) neither are directly comparable as they do very different things with their source. Though sorry for using the wrong terminology.
Regarding the silly moments, I was referring more to scenes that were _supposed_ to be scary (at least in the mini-series). The showdown in the miniseries is incredibly goofy to me after all that had happened before, and the constant dramatic zooms (which granted are in the adult sections) get so over the top it's laughable to me (bear in mind I first watched the mini-series when I was a child too).
The movies silly moments are the ones that come from moments of calm, because their placement is in seemingly serious moments. You'll get effective bits like the quarry scene, or the banter on their bikes, then you get scenes like the "cleaning the blood" montage that actually made the entire audience laugh and mutter "what the fuck?" because the music and happy tone came out of nowhere.
Like I said though, in both versions it never took me out of the experience, I'm kind of surprised you felt the need to so deeply defend the one criticism I said wasn't even that big of a deal :P
Tim Curry was a better pennywise.
I'm not quite understanding why they think the movie had no idea what it wanted to be. To me, IT knew exactly what it wanted to be: a fun thriller with a ridiculous premise and it delivered on that perfectly. I've noticed in recent years that I'm getting more and more annoyed with critics because they forget that a movie's main goal is to be fun to watch. Yes, story structure, character development, plot, and all that jazz matter but whether or not the movie entertains also holds merit. I mean yeah, I do have quite a few problems with IT but the reason I love it so much is because it delivered on entertainment so well. It knew that it was stupid and rolled with it.
MagicalPouchOfMagic I enjoyed it. Even though I think some of the movie can drag I don't mind it. And I just wish pennywise and the kids had more dialogue like the old movie did. When pennywise runs at the kids even though they found it funny I found it pretty damn creepy. And I think some of the pacing is kinda odd. However I can say I'm happy I seen it.
They are legit angry, they couldn't even talk properly, Doug roasted the first IT movie so he probably had already a lot of notes and script ready for the review of this one, now he can't even use his stupid ballons joke without looking like a idiot, it was entertaining to see him ranting like a little bitch that coouldn't even accept it's a good movie, instead they are saying they felt bad for the people involved on this, yes lets feel bad for the people involved in a movie that ended being a huge hit and got ton of praise, hahaha damn.
Yeah, but Rob admitted that he was bored. They weren't bashing an entertaining film. It would have been entertaining if they stuck with one tone throughout. The film's conflicted because it's sophistication is always interrupted by the B horror film senseless adrenaline. The movie develops psychological scares intertwined with the kids' family and school dilemmas, their alienation from the rest of society. Bill's taunted by Pennywise with the possible survival of his brother, something his family shuns him for, and something he feels responsible for. Mike revisited the death of his family burning alive, and Henry Bowers is manipulated to hold onto his desperation for dominance and assertion by falling into the urge of killing his father. This isn't fun, it's just messed up. So when you have the jump scares with Pennywise running up at the screen with the loudest sound possible, and blurring and shacking the entire screen, with that balls-to-the-walls thrilling set-piece in the haunted house with Pennywise cartoonishly springing out of a coffin and making contortions as he cracks his bones back straight, it's definitely entertaining, but there's no denying you started with a psychological horror film and then abandoned it. It's like Doug said, it's only best in pieces.
+Jorge Ortiz I think I disagree because I have a lot of fun learning about the characters and their fucked up situations. I'm not someone who's affected easily by horrifying events happening to fictional beings. It's always a fun challenge for me to see if a piece of media can get me connected to its characters since I'm so picky. Tbh my biggest problem with the film is that I feel some character's messed up pasts aren't touched on enough and makes them feel underdeveloped (granted that's A LOT of characters for that run-time so I understand why some of them didn't get the screen time they deserved). I think Eddie and Beverly were developed the best and even though we barely got time with Henry's dad, that one scene of them interacting gave me a pretty decent idea of what he goes through daily since I've seen those kinds of things myself. For me, the tone was fine because the film was able to get me attached to a couple characters so that I cared when the off the wall stuff began happening to them.
MagicalPouchOfMagic that NC review that will be coming out will probably be the worst one ever I am done with this channel
Tigger as Pennywise? I'd totally watch a movie where a tiger-clown said, "We all bounth down here, hoohoohoohoo!"
that'd be amazing
Critic is out here looking like Aang from avatar the last airbender
Bob Stevenship like the movie version.
Bob Stevenship pulls out my mehron blue paint, he will be aang now
Well, he is the Avajerk...
Penishead.
He wishes he could look like Aang... ¬¬
I thought IT was a good movie. It had some scary parts,some serious, and some goofy.
I heard the reason why they set it in the 80s is because in the sequel it's gonna be set in 2016 where the clown epidemic was going on in the news at the time. So they wanted to connect the two together and since it had to have a 27 year distance from when they were kids the first one had to be set in the 80s
That's totally awesome.
I will respectfully disagree with your opinion.
Jared Truston thank you jared
Give this man an award. Someone in the comment section not bitching about how they hate everything or they force their opinions down people's throats!
Jared Truston that's better the most if these ignorant people
**claps in a proper manner**
nah they can go fuck themselves
For once I don't agree with these guys, I loved this movie. Not cuz it was scary, there are barely any horror movies that scare me nowadays, but it was so fun to watch. Pennywise was perfectly creepy and entertaining, and the kids gave excellent performances as well. How could you not like this movie?
Agreed. The new Pennywise, at that, was imo much better than Tim Curry. He did an outstanding acting job. Instead of focusing on the great performance of the entire cast, the surprisingly funny moments, the very nice introduction of each child's fear and the later payoff, the Walkers just cry about CG. I can't even...
I can not like this movie because we had another chance at having a scary 'IT' finally and we still didnt get it. I dont expect it to be perfect, but i would hope that a scary movie would achieve being scary at least half the times it attempts being scary. You can say they are just "crying about the CG" all you want but when Pennywise looks like he was animated by Disney circa 1990 various times throughout the movie then there is a problem with the effects. For me, there were several scenes that were simultaneously good and bad. Did i hate the movie? No, there was some good stuff in there, some cool scenes. Was it amazing? God no. It was okay.
YES.
@@EmptyAltruism the book isn't that scary neither so ...
@@EmptyAltruism I feel the same way -- can admit it did a number of things right, but it was nowhere near a revelation for me. Just okay.
Doug, I think the word "meh" was invented to describe your opinion on every single movie lately.
Blackfox413 Not every movie.
Midgetwithahacksaw sorry, MOST movies.
WHY IS THERE A CLOWN IN YOUR MOVIE ABOUT A CLOWN????????
It's not about a clown, it's about a fear eating beast that lures children into its other worldly clutches. The point of being a clown is to lure kids in with something nice, then become their literal worst fear. Instead it starts out their worst fear, to great effect, then jumps back to being a clown.
Eh, in the book the only time he really tries to lure a kid by being something nice is the opening scene. After that, it's pretty much him scaring the shit out of the children over and over, like a predator playing with his food.
Do you think it would've been better if Pennywise had kept that up and tried to lure the kids? I think it could've been a shit-ton creepier if they did it right.
that was kings first draft. 1000 pages about juggling and glitter buckets.
You know. Mabye IT doesnt even try to lure the other kids cause they are older? mabye candy and such doesnt work on them. So of course IT will try to scare them and disturb as much as it can and grow stronger.
I liked this film. It wasn't perfect by any means but it was a lot of fun and FUN is missing from horror movies these day. I appreciated that. Also the soundtrack was amazing. I never thought I'd hear The Cure, Anthrax, XTC (yes!), and New Kids on the Block in the same movie, let alone a horror movie. It was fun
THIS
Speaking of being long and dragged out, they take 27 minutes just to say "Not a fan because its tone is all over the place."
Nick Archuleta how was the tone all over the place? They have no idea what they are talking about.
Apparently they thought It couldn't choose what kind of movie it wanted to be. They personally felt certain scenes such aforementioned slow motion during the rock fight, or rock fight in general, did not mesh well with what the tone said was a serious horror movie. If you do not think so that is fine. They don't and that is also fine. It's rather subjective.
There was more criticism than that.
Theory: The review only exists so they can make a subtle 27 reference.
At leasy the clown criticism is correct
While I wholeheartedly disagree with your opinions, I respect them and will continue to love the F out of this movie.
David Butler I respect your opinion.
Weakest argument ever, David. Keep trying good sir, and you might actually come up with something constructive. :)
For you, fine, but why respond like that to Some Guy like the movie being 'dogshit' is objective fact?
David Butler I didnt find the film at all and I'm not sure that is what the film was going for. I think it was creepy and disturbing and I loved the entire cast. As well as the soundtrack and the score. It had some great comedy and I just loved it all around. You can have a different opinion, that's totally fine. But to try to belittle anyone because their opinion may be different is pretty immature and closed minded. Again, I respect your opinion and I'm sorry that you didn't enjoy the film. Lets just call it good and part ways because all of this hostility over a FILM is just ridiculous.
lol no
Though you're the one who interpreted that way.
"I feel bad for everyone involved."
You mean the people who helped make a film that was critically acclaimed, loved by audiences, did fantastically at the box office, and is one of the most popular horror films of the year? Oh, those poor unfortunate souls.
Man the comments are off the wall here. "They only hate popular movies" "I saw them hating this before I watched" "RT likes it so they hate it" blah blah blah. Get a grip! If it bugs you that bad, don't watch them! They don't have to agree with you, and you don't have to agree with them! Grow a backbone. Yeesh, there's way too much whining here, even for RUclips
AlwaysLookCool 729 Exactly.
I don't often disagree with you so completely, but for once I disagree with almost everything you've said.
I loved it. It was creepy, never overly scary, sure. Nothing felt out of place, tone wise, I just swung with it; the tone is kids facing this horror that's steadily gaining more of a foothold and getting worse and more deadly, while still having little moments where they're being kids.
If you didn't like IT, did you really expect to like the film??
MadnessInSerenity that's what I liked about the movie. It was unsettling! And the creepy atmosphere. I hate cheap jump scares so when the scares came, it was warranted. The pace and direction led up to the scares. But it was a mistake to see it in prime IMAX. My ears did not consent to the rape they endured. 😂
Are you like....dumb?
I liked the movie and was totally entertained. But they have a point. The tone is sometimes inconsistent.
Like Richie (the boy with the glasses) sometimes made the most inappropriate comments in the strangest scenes (when people discussed their fears or dilemmas). And I am like "What the fuck is wrong with you kid?"
However I still enjoyed the movie.
That's Richie's character. His comedy, whether funny or inappropriate, us a cover up for how his home life makes him feel. Yeah, each character doesn't have their background specifically fleshed out, but Richie's parents are neglectful, his mother an alcoholic. His humour is a coping mechanism. It shows at inappropriate times because that's how he deals with things
WJZAV try reading the book, it's all in there
Rob Walker says he feels sorry for the director and everyone involved. Widespread acclaim, box office records smashed, bonafide pop culture phenomenon...
Safe to say you guys missed the mark on this one lol
Yeah, I hate the fact that he said I feel sorry for them.
I usually agree with Doug, but this time I strongly disagree.. This movie delivered everything that had to deliver! It's incredibly well done.
this is what we call BULLSHIT REVIEW (dances with penny wise and "it" lovers)
This movie was so interesting and I loved all the characters and I want them protect them all!!!
dexterWES agreed
Exactly I think the reason they are shitting on it though is because they have seen soo many of Stephen Kings movies and I guess they are tired of his tropes.
Don't know what movie you guys watched.
xJangoUnchained1313x The miniseries cut with a few scenes from the trailer of the new one. While high.
xJangoUnchained1313x IT starring Bill Skarsgard and directed Andy Muschiettii
a shITty movie
Danny waters You didn't see the movie of you think it's bad
I hold the awnser to life's questions are you saying I can't have my own opinion? Lol
I respected these guys opinoins for years, but this is one of those rare times where i Strongly Disagreed with them.
Wow I'm actually surprised, I mean no offense to you guys because I respect you all and all and I'm not a very big Steven King fan, but when you go to a movie with a mindset of hating it or looking for something else your gonna leave unhappy. I understand how you see this but this feels very... bad, Doug tried to explain it but it still felt kinda weird, also "why you need the clown" means you didn't really read the book and you should read it again to actually give a none one sided review and more informed, it has a lot to do with abuse and trauma along with other things but I can't explain it here, I have never disliked a video from you guys before but this is embarrassing. Also before anyone brings out the pitch forks because I disagreed with them on this and say it's an opinion (which it is) and I should keep my mouth shut and give no comment on it because I'm a random dude on the internet and stuff, I apologize that I hurt your feelings and I hope we can have a regular discussion in the comments and not turn it to Nicholas Cage in Burning Man
We finally got character development in a horror movie and apparently it's a flaw
Finally? We've had it quite a while. No not from the majority of horror but almost anything by George Romero had character development. This movie didn't invent it.
No we didn't
@Laverne Blaszczyk I think you mean Mike and Stanley lol
You feel bad for the director and everyone in it. Yet it made 179 million in less than a week, has 85% on rotten tomatoes, a 8.1 on IMDb and 70 on metascore...ya...sure they need your sympathy
Lol is that suppose to mean something? Transformers had tons of money and great reviews when if first came out that doesn't mean it's actually a good movie though does it?
A movie doesn't need to be a master piece or an intellectual essay to be entertaining.
Some people watch movies to have their mind filled with wonders and have their thoughts challenged, most just want to be entertained.
I don't remember even the first Transformers movie really getting that good of reviews. I remember people basically saying that it was decent and maybe getting into the mid to high 50% but I don't remember the reviews of Transformers being anywhere near as good as the review's for this movie
IMDb's ratings are garbage though, in all honesty. Some really fucking good movies get incredibly low scores and some movies I think are garbage get high scores like it's an 80's arcade. I don't think online ratings are all that reliable is all I'm saying
RedEyesTops well you definitely shouldn't base weather YOU think a movie is good or bad on imdb or RT score however with that being said when pretty much all the movie websites give a movie a good score then there's gotta be something good about it..this movie was pretty damn good imo. There were a few things I think could have used a change but overall it was good
Here is something that internet critics need to stop being sticklers about : Tonal consistency. I am not sure if its because they tend to be self taught amateurs, but a movies "tone" is not the same thing as a movies "message." A movie can swap its tone from comedic, to dramatic, to scary all it wants if it still matches the overarching message the movie is trying to convey. This view that if a movie is supposed to be "scary" then every scene needs to set that tone is very shortsighted.
On one of the saddest days of my life I also remember laughing so hard I cried. Real life has no tonal consistency and I dont see why our movies need to either. IT is supposed to be scary at times yes, but when its not, its still about a group of close knit kids growing of in a smallish town in Maine. Sure there may be a killer clown stalking the town, but that doesn't change the fact your mother is a hypochondriac, or that you are dealing with a developmental stuttering issue, or new feelings of sexual desire, or the fact that your peers are often jerks.
In short, I found IT refreshing because of its tonal shifts, not in spite of them; and I wish more critics would break out of their self imposed ruleset on tone.
Loved your comment just wanted to let you know.
I thought the premise of Sibling Rivalry was one Walker brother liked it and one hated it and they each gave their points on why they did/didn't. How is it a rivalry if BOTH brothers disliked the film?
MoonlitLycan well Doug can see why it works/people like it while Rob is just hating
"I feel sorry for this director, I feel sorry for everyone involved"
dude you are so wrong lmao
Brad: Love it
Chris: Loves it
Doug & Rob: Ehhh it's bad.
Joey Allen that's pretty much with every movie
Wow. Different people have different opinions ?
Zythum it sounds like... Art
Joey Allen they said its "meh"
Mike and Jay from RLM - "Blah, this movie was frustrating."
Can't wait for the Nostalgia Critic review
Ryan R. But he says in this video that he doesn't think it's great
Ryan R.
All I read with your comment is "their opinion is different than mine, so they were TRYING to not like this movie"
Ryan R. I get what you're saying they don't like movies that are new well a good 99% of them but they'll like old shitty corny ass movies and ignore good performances from new reboots or anything else that is new it's like just because it's a reboot doesn't mean it's going to suck you got to take the good with the bad let alone if you want to be a good critic you have to say something Good about the movie or you're just hating it for the sake of hating it i'm not saying that he has to agree with me but if you're going to going to movie not liking it already don't watch it at all
Ryan R.
In the end all that really matters is that you enjoyed it. Their opinion may have differed from everybody else but it doesn't hinder people's enjoyment of the film.
just another clip-less review... I'll pass
I'm surprised to say this but angry joe did a better review. I feel dirty saying that.
GUITARROCKMAN they were both bad. Angry Joe's was pathetic though.
ok you got me there
Midnight Screenings by the Cinema Snob was infinitely better than both. That dude doesn't get near enough credit
I mean this wasn't a bad review, only if you love the movie and got upset they didn't.
Yeah, both where awful.
Rob's brain is probably 70% hate, he slams everything.
godzillarex888 he did say 70%
I dont remember the last review i watched with him in it that he actually liked the movie... thats sad....
angewomon143, you must have a short attention span. Did you see their Wonder Woman review just 3 months ago? They both praised the hell out of the movie.
Mr. 96- Nope, they spent the entire time talking about what they didn't do well enough, never giving their own solutions, you know, like the untalented pieces of shit they are.
Bio&BlastBeats, "the entire time"? Dude, watch the first 29 minutes of that Sibling Rivalry because it was 99% praise. They even said it was better than most MCU movies, which they mostly enjoy. Even in the spoilers, their problems were nitpicks. They even spent a good chunk of the spoilers section defending the film from extremist political think pieces that said the film was either anti-American or anti-feminist.
You said they "never [gave] their own solutions" to their critiques? That is objectively false.
They said had a problem with Ares's design? They suggested to use Ares's comic design instead (which people universally agree is way cooler than the movie's design). They had a problem with Ares having too much dialogue in the final fight? Simple fix. Just cut the dialogue and have hardcore fights like they had in the rest of the movie. That doesn't need a major explanation.
Seriously, dude. Lay off the hate goggles and actually listen to what they're saying. They praised it as the best DC movie since The Dark Knight, and they even brought up how WW was the first film since the Donner Superman to successfully embody the heroism of the Golden Age comics. Stop trolling and be rational. If you're trying to prove me wrong, actually bring up points they said that support your argument.
I really enjoyed the film! It had very creepy atmosphere and imagery. Bill Skarsgard as Pennywise was quite impressive. That voice was freaky too!
I feel like they are trying their damnest to hate this movie in order to justify their upcoming review
And if you can't handle their opinions best leave at that.
Well, at least Doug was capable of seeing the reasons for it being an enjoyable film.
It's certainly not the best, but my goodness is it an improvement over the miniseries in so many ways. In particular, the child actors.
Yeah that's I like about Doug more. He at least tries to like something or sees the good parts of stuff, unlike his brother or the Kirk brothers who just shoot down everything. I liked this movie so I have more respect for Doug's opinion because he at least tried to find something enjoyable about this.
Noah Smith
I agree. Out of the two, it is usually Doug who tries to find the positives whilst Robb frowns in the corner 😂 He is definitely the more stubborn out of the two.
Saying that, I still really enjoy watching them together, even if they are ripping apart films that I like.
Personally, the only thing anyone enjoys from the miniseries is Tim Curry as Pennywise. That's usually it 😂. Whether he entertains you or scares you, he is the only reason anyone really remembers the miniseries. Without him, I doubt it would have been as successful.
Here's a controversial statement: I liked the movie BUT also respect their opinion.
The biggest criticism besides a desire to have had the film scarier is definitely the characterisation of Mike and Stan, in particular Mike. For some reason the character of Ben was given a lot of Mike’s role from the book.
Gotta love how RUclips comments equate a "Meh" first impression with these guys saying they hated the movie. It reminds me of that bit from the Fury Road review: "Everybody knows that on the Internet when someone calls the movie 'good,' [as opposed to 'great'] that means they think it's bad!"
Sometimes I wonder why I read the comment section to these Sibling Rivalry videos anymore.
I equate meh to "I don't like it but I don't hate it."
Too bad these two didn't enjoy the movie, I loved it and had a great time watching IT! :D
is21rocks at least YOUR not losing your shit about it
I like it just fine. It's a decent horror flick.
"decent"
"horror"
Kid cussing too much
Mario Antwan believe it or not thats how kids really talk
But it could have been better. I also thought it was a little light on horror. I've seen scarier stuff.
Which too be fair is pretty rare.
They don't take him to a hospital because this takes place in America, where you have to pay for hospital visits.
The rest of the world you pay for it through your taxes
The kid was cut many times
@@strangebrew1231 USA actually spends more tax money on healthcare per capita then countries with universal coverage.
I loved this movie. I don't agree with like 90% of what they were saying
Bev being downplayed is because they didn't have the balls to put *that* *one* *moment* of the book in the movie. Although to the miniseries's defense, it worked quite well without it.
it wasn't even scary
Well you know, except for the part where she's the one who stabs him in the eye in their first encounter in the Neibolt house and kicks her father's perverted ass.
+Deadlyfury x25 Honestly, I was more interested in the characters and how they dealt with Pennywise and their relationships than being scared. I didn't find it scary either, but I didn't find the book scary. I still enjoyed it.
i did see some spoilers but i do agree that is just plain fucking stupid.
HA HA HA!
Rob: "I feel sorry for this director, because this is-"
Cut to commercial.
PERFECT TIMING GUYS!
This is where i have a little problem with critics. And i love you guys and channel awesome. But Rob said it himself that some people (not a lot as they have to come out of the wood work apparently) say that the novel isn't that good. Then proceeds to talk about the film being adapted from source material that wasn't good. Well. No. Pause... a small amount of people think it's not King's best work so there for it's fact that the book isn't good? What about the overwhelming response from the rest who love that book?... they must be wrong?
You can love a book that's not perfect. I know I do!
are you seriously asking this?
King himself doesn't think it's his best work. The prolem with it is that it was written in King's "constantly high off his ass and drunk" period. Some good things (such as Cujo) came out then. IT just wasn't one of them.
From my experience, this book actually is mostly panned by King fans. I personally have a meh relationship to it. I agree with a lot of the stuff they said about it here, especially it being too cluttered.
Because most people are not die hard Stephen King fans and don't care about his other stuff more than they care about any other book. But "IT" related to a lot of us as teenagers.
The only reason they hate IT and try to scrape as many negatives as they can (which judging by the negative comments Sibling Rivalry got basically no one agrees with) is because they expected the movie to be bad, and already set up a live NC episode on the movie before it came out. They would of went into the cinema with a negative mind from the get-go trying to find as many faults as possible for the episode, even if non-existent, and now that the movie has been praised with good reviews look foolish.
Sorry guys, love most the work you do, but I can see right through this.
why it is so hard for you people to understand that not everyone us going to like this movie personally i almost fell asleep in the cinema, the book was not that good for god sakes we are talking about stephen king writting child orgies and a god turtle from space also of course you will see good reviews everywere from the lieks of rotten tomatoes and imdb because the money is expected to make huge money after a year or so from trailers and adversiting.
Their work is literally to criticize things. A friend of mine is a sound designer and he finds flaws in music all the time, automatically. A chef will criticize food more harshly as well. You take your work home with you and things like that happen. Plus the NC episodes aren't necessarily Doug Walker saying he hates a movie, just like the AVGN episodes don't mean James Rolfe hates those games.
Sook9 + If you selectively choose scenes to describe from any book or film without describing the context, of course its going to sound bad. “The Shining” is a great film, but if one selectively cherry pick scenes to describe it, as you do, such as saying that its just about “furries in dog costumes giving blowjobs”, its a manipulative tactic to make the material sound bad. “Ulysses” can be reduced to “a guy shits in an outhouse”. “Hamlet” can be reduced to “guy wants to fuck his mother”.
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Unless you're psychic shut the fuck up and stop acting like you know everything.
I think this movie was a breath of fresh air
Rob keeps saying stuff like, "You're wasting my time. This is a waste of my time." We get it bro...you didn't like the book. You're not gonna like the movie. Quit wasting MY time with a half hour explanation that you don't think Pennywise is scary. If you don't like the source material, all you do from that point on is pick apart trivial things that most moviegoers won't even notice, because you have already dismissed the film as a whole. Most of your reviews come off this way.
You watched the video. Doug didn't make you do that
@@TyRiders2 Nobody made Rob watch the movie.
+hitman142002 "quit wasting MY time" No one's making you watch the video, what are you talking about?
@@voridori2863 It's part of his job???
Well, it's a highly acclaimed horror movie. So that means Doug won't like it.
Edit: Just saw the movie. Doug and Rob are SERIOUSLY blowing the whole "movie is a tonal disaster" thing way out of proportion. Seriously, it's literally two small scenes in the movie that don't really matter. The rest of the movie is fine. Not perfect, but still solid.
DoctaDaKing Well they always say it's a highly acclaimed movie to get people to watch it. Like they did with Ghostbusters.
DoctaDaKing Doug Walker the hipster
DoctaDaKing And I mean the movie industry says it.
Gracie J The hell are you on about?
DoctaDaKing says who paid reviews
I have a huge phobia for clowns... And I couldn't take It seriously at all... I don't think I've laughed as much at a clown since I was a kid. Bravo! I almost feel cured!
This movie was leaps and bounds better than the OS. The only thing good about OS is Tim Curry, but this new film improves upon the miniseries drastically, and it works beautifully.
The first one had more personality? What, bland 50's-esque cheese and melodrama? All the mini series had that the movie didn't was more run time.
Tim Curry gave Pennywise character. This Pennywise is just a jumper of scare factor. At least with Michael Myer you know his attentions are to be a being of ill-reasoning. With the clown havin' a voice it lends me to believe he'll have personality. I got idled shit. Nothin' but dull shit.
Dude I think they mean it follows one tone thought the miniseries while it kept changing in the movie. Cause not to hate on the movie (actually really enjoyed it) but I see that problem as well
hey rob... let doug talk jesus...
I'll take it as payback for Jurassic World, when Doug wouldn't let Rob talk
That and Doug said he had lost his voice and didn't want to talk much.
FrugalFellowsFashion every sibling rivalry video its like this... not only this one (with rob talking over doug)
I know. I watch most of these. I'm kinda okay with it; Doug talks a lot in every other video series he does.
This is constant thing, Rob constantly talks over Doug in every one of these. It's obnoxious and rob is mind numbing sometimes.
If anyone didn't know this, I'll tell you what happened. Exactly a year ago, both Doug and Rob lost their mother, Sandy Walker, who died in her sleep. If either Doug or Rob is reading this, I wanna tell you that you two are great. Keep going on what you are doing and never give up. I know it's been a year since you lost your mother, but keep in mind that you two are doing great and I'm sure your mother is and will be proud of all of your works.
15:46
Apparently these guys were never children because they're unaware of the fact that children will sometimes hide injuries because revealing so WILL GET THEM IN TROUBLE. They'll get grounded or told they can't play with other kids anymore.
And it was a psychotic bully that hurt Ben to begin with. I don't think snitching on him is a good idea -- even if his dad is a cop.
I swear sometimes it seems like Doug and Rob dislike anything modern being acclaimed. I know that isn't the case, but still, I can often predict what thier reactions to a film will be before one of these reviews. So I'm not surprised they didn't care for this.
They're snobs. Rob especially.
Well its a little unrealistic to think that "IT" will be loved by everybody. Meh doesn't mean bad, it just means ok and that's what they thought about IT.
+Jackson Vasquez or they have opinions
They are not snobs, that's the shocking part. I mean, during the movie I kept this mental list of things Doug didn't like about the miniseries and honestly? It improved a lot in many aspects, considering the source material ofc. So the fact that they didn't like it it's... Odd
I nver used to think this but Doug has become one of those people who needs to dislike something cause everyone's raving about it. It would be fine if he presented it like how he did with lord of the rings, in which he loved it but pointed out flaws in a loving way. this is just shitting on movies because no-one else at the time is.
I actually quite like that initial "fake scare" scene, and I have one main reason why. I remember being a little kid and having the same exact thing scare me. I remember going down the dark hallway or being asked to take out the trash at night and having every little thing scare me, or feeling like every little light was a pair of eyes looking at me. To me that first scene was just a simple little thing showing how small kids like that process and feel fear. In many ways, the whole movie is about that. Kids get scared over the weirdest things. Mildly unsettling or spooky things that might not stick with someone older, will genuinely scare a child, quite a lot really. Everyone has had a painting or picture in their house that just kinda creeps them out, and everyone remembers the moment they just stopped being afraid of it. You are right, though. The clown stuff is bullshit, even if the guy is acting his little heart out the whole time.
Before watching review: why so many dislikes?After watching review: ohh, no wonder.
Yet another movie where the critic goes meh while everyone else loves it.
Yep, he has to stand out and look like he has higher standards than everyone else.
How DARE Doug have a different opinion from the majority!!!!
how dare doug shit on a movie because i need to nitpick everything wah wah wah they have shit opinions and it starting to show
Jkop maybe he is too jaded to be scared anymore?
I mean he did watch Son of the Mask in its entirety.
This review is ....eh
RangerCollector62492
I see that raise this review to a MEH!
RangerCollector62492 It's where the word "meh" is most fitting.
yeh
I don’t think these two got it. Which is strange because Doug has analysed a lot of modern day cinema. That’s what IT was, a blend of modern and 80’s thriller giving us an exciting and relatable feature film. They did the same kinda thing with Stranger Things. Also the source material was followed perfectly. It has to be one of the best films I’ve seen in a while
Doug: The movie was ok, sometimes it worked sometimes it failed
Everyone else: WOOW HES HATING ON IT JUST CAUSE ITS POPULAR THE FILM WAS GREAT SOO SCARY AND YOU SHOULD DIE IF YOU DOMT LIKEWBGSHWVWKWBWUWVEIWBWHWVW
Let me guess. One of them didn't like it because the RT score is too high?
Moolers i dare them to see a movie and not check the RT score before they see it.
sweet im gonna go watch it
Clintonomo Bay They've said before they don't like to see reviews before a movie, or atleast not that many
+Alex Does any movie scare you anymore? I think scary is a dumb thing to judge a horror movie on when you are above the age of like 13. Creepiness is a way better factor to judge because even if you're not scared by a movie you can still appreciate creepiness.
Moolers Where'd you get that idea?
I think this might just be another example of where there's a disconnect between people who see movies as "art" and want some kind of formula to them, and normal cinemagoers who just want to be entertained.
Doug and Rob are entitled to their opinion, but given how well IT is doing, it seems to be a minority opinion. I certainly don't "feel sorry for everyone involved" in a movie that has (at time of writing) made back 11 times its budget in the box office.
It's really hard for me to understand you guys... it's a fantastic coming of age film told through the lense of this horrific monster. I adored the film.
From what I'm able to look up it's surprisingly one of the better horror movies to come out this year.
Gat the Man That's not very promising is it after hearing about this?
I checked it up sometime before it was officially released, so it could change a day or so after. I didn't notice it until now.
WA-HA
WA-HA
WA-HA
gets me everytime.😂😂😂😂😂🤣🤣🤣🤣
I couldn't disagree more with every comment they said about the movie 🤷🏼
Hope Janette real shit, we're lucky to have a out of the ordinary scary movie. all scary movies are the SAME nowadays.
Fuckoff -- exactly
Mreverything11 - 🤔🤔 a thot because I disagreed with an opinion ? Seems logical
Dillon M 😂😂
I AGREE I LOVED THE MOVIE
Is it just me, or is Sibling Rivalry very pessimistic lately? Seems like no matter how good the movie is (and by that I mean Rob and Doug actually liking it), the focus of the review is the bad stuff.
I know what you mean. Whenever I see a nostalgia critic or any review from channel awesome pop up I'm really hesitant to watch it.
Pennywise "I'm not scary enough for you Robbie?! This isn't real enough for you?! IT was real enough for Georgie!" RoaaarrrHAHAHAHA!
Man. I really disagree with all of the criticisms. I loved that this Pennywise was creepy and also funny and felt it was intentional. Also really loved the kid actors. You're entitled to your opinion of course, I just don't see it
He did say Unfriended was good, and this is eh, meh?; idk just I think this is good not great but, some of their complaints don't make sense. Just weird to me; keep up the reviews tho
Characters in 2017 adaptation definately have more personality than in the '90 mini series, I actually believed them and there wasn't any corniness, I felt their connection and problems. And the clown was a perfect mash of mistery, creepiness and dark humour. And he was definately intentionally darkly hilarious. You see him acting silly and funny but you know he's the one doing terrible things. And he has that murderous look on his face and he mocks children when they're crying and panicking and being bullied and also picks on their real fears, that all was a great combination. And the way kids' fears were fleshed out and subtly explained was amazing. And the clown isn't supposed to lure the kids in but to scare them. He feeds on fear.
Tim Curry's clown just had more dialogue but he was just hilarious and random as fuck.
Also the bullies were actually flashed out and scenes with them were damn good.
I honestly can't comprehend how you two made your arguments. Also so much whining abt CGI wow
I don’t really think the new one had more or less personality than the original. Except for bullies
They don't have more personality than the miniseries, they all talked about things that matter like what they want to be when they grow up and they didn't make sex jokes every 5 minutes. The new pennywise is just a screamer with legs and the only "fear factor" is thinking about the next screamer he's gonna make, that's not horror at all.
Let me guess, it was just alright. "I think everybody is overrating this movie because it didn't suck." They've become so predictable.
It's talking about a movie about kids, sexual abuse, bullying and fear with a killer clown, of course it doesn't fit together, but it's a good movie.
"Excuse me madame, do you have a Prince Albert in a can? You Do?! Well you better let the poor fella out!"
So they chose to do a NC review of the 2017 IT before actually seeing the movie? I'm not a fan of them picking films to review for NC that they know will get a lot of views before they even know if they have anything interesting to say about it. It comes across now like they just review films that are popular at the moment (hence always picking films that are in theaters) as opposed to watching a film and then deciding if they have interesting and funny things to say about it.
I know you are brothers but PLEASE stop interrupting each other. You both have interesting things to say, but after a while just hearing interruption after interruption becomes unbearable.
I don't expect script on these reviews but you would think that +30 something adults would be able to NOT INTERRUPT EACH OTHER EVERY FIVE MINUTES.
Like you said, their brothers.
As the littlest of 3 brothers, it is impossible to get a word in edgewise when the three of us get together.
they're*
Millie, well it is “Sibling Rivalry”.
EmptyAltruism, who are you talking to though and whhhyy?
oops sorry, i forget it doesnt tag people so it can be confusing for others. that was directed at Martin Meers. Apologies, should have been more clear
Anyone notice when Pennywise was dancing, he had the face of a constipated person trying to dance to the restroom? Made me laugh quite hard.
Imagine Douchey McNitpick's reaction to this:
"NOOOOOOOO! It's getting amazing reviews and is on 90 percent on Rotten Tomatoes! That means you two HAVE to agree with the majority!"
According to comments a meh response is they hate it.
Welcome to the internet
*Rob and Doug say it was pretty scary at parts and they liked individual sections of it*
Internet: HOW DARE YOU DESPISE THIS MOVIE
This is one of the few sane comments.
dragoncatoverload They don't sound like they are reviewing a movie they thought was "OK" or "meh" they sound like they flat out hated the movie. There are movies that I think are just OK or "meh" but I would never refer to one of them as "a train wreck of a movie that didn't know what it wanted to be".
thisguyducky No. As far as I know, apparently "meh" means flat out terrible. I said "Civil War was the most "meh" of Marvel movies, and people were like "If you think that Civil War was worse than Thor: The Dark World, you're crazy." I didn't say it was terrible. I didn't say it was good either. It is the most average Marvel movie in their library. I thought that's what "meh" means. But nope. Apparently it means the movie sucks.
Two guys don't like a shitty movie that for some reason a lot of people love:
"YOU SUCK! You aren't real critics! You're just nostalgic for the original and hate everything new! You saw a different movie than everyone else!"
Give me a fucking break...
Wow this is some High-brow criticism. I'm sure this will leave everyone satisfied. Way-to-go guys.
The movie sucked
Nice bandwagon there, Ashton. Have you tried thinking for yourself? It's fun!
TSB steam The movie wasn't scary, and the only joke that landed was the Gazebos one
Ashton The movie was more of a coming of age movie with horror elements to me, so im okay with it not being scary. Its just a fun ride in my opinion, but I'll respect yours.
I felt like some were almost funny, but I only actually laughed at that one. The other ones seemed to rely on "haha it's funny because a kid is saying something dirty!1!"
That library scene was terrifying.
E Br That part freaked me out.
That scene gave me chills, what scared me was the painting.
Dr. OodleWoodleDoodle you know what would make that scene more awesome?...Ash lol
E Br makes sense lol
Ikr I shit a brick when the headless boy started to run after Ben 😰
The part where Pennywise turns to Bill and says "Am I not real enough for you, Billy" as if he was sad about it had me laughing
I saw this gem on opening night...I have never witnessed a room packed full of people so terrified in my life honestly, this blows the original out of the water and I loved the original, I know that the cinematic version has been cut as my friend works at the cinema and complained that certain scenes from a "staff showing" were majorly different than the version me and my friends saw, it's still a brilliant movie and I really don't understand the hate here...wait till it's had a directors cut release and then make your own mind up, I will say though that it did seem slightly choppy in the way that it was paced but again...we saw a different cut, either way, IT is a diamond in these dark days....also the opening five minutes? Holy shit...wasn't actually expecting that, I do hope others share my opinion, apologies for rambling.
Just got back from seeing IT. It's great! Beats the everloving sh*t outta the mini series. Although I agree with Doug and Rob on one thing; the CGI for Pennywise sticks out like a sore thumb and kinda sucks.
Agreed. I haven't seen a theater room so packed for a horror movie ever in my local cinema (Germany). It was sold out.
Interesting to read that this movie was cut and still remained over 2 hours long, still making it one of the longest horror movies ever.
I personally enjoyed the movie. I thought it was a lot better than the miniseries. However there were a few things that bothered me...mainly because it was different from the source.
(Spoiler)
First off...the fact that not one of the kids say "Beep Beep Richie" ever in the movie, even though there were countless opportunists...but then Pennywise randomly says it for some reason. Why did he say it to him? Idek. There wasn't any context for the phrase.
Second, I did assume the gangbang wasn't gonna be in here and that doesn't bother me...but what I was hoping for the most was The Turtle.....they reference a turtle once or twice but never THE Turtle. which is the other half of what Pennwise really is. The miniseries didn't do it either and I was hoping they would finally get it right...but sadly no Turtle.
Another BIG problem I had with the movie was Patrick Hockstetter: The actor who played him was BRILLIANT. He had a terrifying stare and an overall creepiness...but he did NOTHING in the movie and dies off quickly. In the book he is one of if not the most fucked up characters in the story. The actor they chose was perfect for the character but they did nothing with him...such a wasted opportunity if you ask me.
Honestly..I didn't think the movie was much like the book at all..the miniseries got it better in some ways. But it was still a better watch. I had fun the whole time and I'm afraid I can't agree with Doug and Rob on this one. 4/5 stars
Personally I don't think the turtle or the ritual would have really worked in movie form. I enjoyed it in the book, but I can imagine a lot of people being confused or finding it jarring to suddenly have this whole other level there, especially when a movie has limited time to explain it (not even the miniseries would have had time). I get why they chose to focus primarily on the monstrous side of IT and keep Pennywise's defeat as the kids overcoming their fears, it's more concise. Who knows? They may reference the true identity and existence of IT in the second chapter.
Drazeroth lego turtle in bedroom of Georgie
I really enjoyed the movie. If you haven't seen it, its worth watching! I love these guys, but I agree to disagree on this one.
Its worth it once. After that, it just made me laugh. I mean, come on, that runnin' scene from Pennywise? The feck was that??
I love these guys but their dislike of Stephen King is already established so... why did they even go?
Ryan Coulter because people expected them. The original mini-series is one of the most popular NC reviews.
Evil Dead series is supposed to be a Horror-Comedy. It's meant to be funny.
I was afraid of the original and I still get chills about it. The sink scene with Beverly was so simple that I was scared of drains for along time. It was blank reaction from her father while his daughter is covered in blood that was just shook me. I'm also a person who gets scared by things easily though.
The movie was... Awesome actually, didn't really expect that (wanted to be good, but didn't think it would be)
This is kinda the curse of the critic. When you spend so much time pointing out all the bad parts of movies eventually that's all you see. I noticed that neither Doug or Rob had much of anything positive to say about the movie despite "It" having lots of improvements over the original mini series. Their critiques are legitimate, and I would have to agree with most of them. I just don't think they ruined the film. The review may have been more balanced, but every time Doug even hints that he enjoyed something about "It" Rob shuts him down with mass negativity.