Hi, person who has switch for both reasons (incorrect citizenship and change of citizenship) this is what I did (basically what James said) When I found out my representation was wrong, I had it changed as if I was representing the Philippines the whole time; my results were completely transferred over. When I became a New Zealand citizen and had it changed, my results on the Filipino national rankings stayed and all of my previous results were considered still Filipino. This means I technically have done 0 events as a New Zealander so I have no nemesises (which I can say since I have a valid WCA ID). If you have any questions, feel free :)
My times are no threat to anyone lol, so I'll just stay NZ. I'm going to have my passport real soon anyway so it's not worth it to switch me just to switch me back again.
Why not just represent your mother land ? Basically if you born in some country and grew up there just represent that country rather than representing the country you switched after all that childhood you had in the previous country
This might make sense if you're young and I get that, I might have even had the same opinion a long time ago, but people often choose to move country for a reason and also keep in mind people who come from a refugee background. They shouldn't be forced to take on a nationality that makes them feel gross, you know?
I don't know what would have been best, seems like there are winners and losers no matter what. Maybe treating it like a regular change of citizenship would have been a more fair solution though, like Alex suggested. Thanks to James for the interesting recap.
Right now I agree; I feel like the more "reasonable" option in this case would have been to treat this as a switch, as he's lived here the whole time he's been competing. I see what James is saying though - maybe my opinion would be different if I was actually the one having to deal with the data though 🤣
This is a very valid question. I'm being a bit flippant going "I don't wanna be UK, I live in NZ now" and that's fine cos I chose to move here, but yeah this could be quite traumatic or sensitive for people who have changed country due to more serious reasons, you know?
There is a "Stateless" representation but no one has ever used it. I assume that refugees who then compete just represent the country they live in anyway
Do you think Lucas' old records should remain New Zealand or move to Italy? 🤔
Change them to Italy
Remain, imo
even in the replies its 50/50
Neither, they should become nationless imo, because he would disrupt the 2x2 single national record that was held by Kaserer since 2011
Make his previous results stateless. New results instead should be considered Italian.
None of this retroactive crap.
Hi, person who has switch for both reasons (incorrect citizenship and change of citizenship) this is what I did (basically what James said)
When I found out my representation was wrong, I had it changed as if I was representing the Philippines the whole time; my results were completely transferred over.
When I became a New Zealand citizen and had it changed, my results on the Filipino national rankings stayed and all of my previous results were considered still Filipino. This means I technically have done 0 events as a New Zealander so I have no nemesises (which I can say since I have a valid WCA ID).
If you have any questions, feel free :)
My times are no threat to anyone lol, so I'll just stay NZ. I'm going to have my passport real soon anyway so it's not worth it to switch me just to switch me back again.
@@Speedcubenz Yeah I technically could've done that
It’s 11 o clock why upload now
Do you think the whole world uses the same time zone?
6pm in nz
Because he is in new zeland, the time zones are different it was around mid day for him
I didn’t know the time was that far ahead in New Zeland
1:50 you gotta change now LOL
it’s based off of citizenship, wca profiles used to say “citizenship” instead of “region” or “representating”
I will be getting my passport soon, so there's no point switching me just to switch me back 🤣
@@Speedcubenz but I believe the old results should be under your current passport then new results from now on should be nz lel
Mike will be the best Stateless cuber
I'll move into the airport
What about Andrew feng
I believe he's planning to switch at some point?
Why not just represent your mother land ? Basically if you born in some country and grew up there just represent that country rather than representing the country you switched after all that childhood you had in the previous country
This might make sense if you're young and I get that, I might have even had the same opinion a long time ago, but people often choose to move country for a reason and also keep in mind people who come from a refugee background. They shouldn't be forced to take on a nationality that makes them feel gross, you know?
I don't know what would have been best, seems like there are winners and losers no matter what. Maybe treating it like a regular change of citizenship would have been a more fair solution though, like Alex suggested. Thanks to James for the interesting recap.
Right now I agree; I feel like the more "reasonable" option in this case would have been to treat this as a switch, as he's lived here the whole time he's been competing. I see what James is saying though - maybe my opinion would be different if I was actually the one having to deal with the data though 🤣
I'm confused
I’m Mike 👋🏼
You may compete for a country you live in.
Is that your opinion or a WCA rule? If it's a rule then I'm good lol 🤣
@@Speedcubenz I think It's actually allowed.
mike illegally competing????
Shhhhhhhh 🤫🤫🤫🤫🤫🤫
& what about refugees and nomads?
This is a very valid question. I'm being a bit flippant going "I don't wanna be UK, I live in NZ now" and that's fine cos I chose to move here, but yeah this could be quite traumatic or sensitive for people who have changed country due to more serious reasons, you know?
There is a "Stateless" representation but no one has ever used it. I assume that refugees who then compete just represent the country they live in anyway