I’ve watched a bunch of inferior videos on hub/lug centric before finding your vid. For me, it’s by far the best explanation on RUclips about how the friction/clamping force works! Thank you for finally settling the issue for me. The others championed the use of hub rings and then you read the comments and people argue back and forth. One guy even claimed to be an ase certified mechanic and claimed w/o the rings, all of the weight is on the lug studs. Which makes 0 sense because of what you said about plastic rings. Thank you again for finally giving me peace of mind that my wheels aren’t going to fall off 🤪
Just spent $1700 on new wheels and tires for my truck and never thought of lug centric/ hub centric. After noticing the bore on my new rims was dramatically larger then the hub on my truck I started freaking out. U explained this perfectly and it makes perfect sense. Thanks so much for sharing . Maybe I can finally get some sleep after 6 days of freaking out
My dad still won’t believe this video. 😂 Highly informative ❤️ That’s why I see a lot cars these days run without hub-centric rings without issues. The common misconception with that is that the studs are carrying the weight of the car where in fact it’s only there to hold the nuts and therefore holding the wheel in place. For a while back I always thought that way, now I am informed.
I know the video is quite old but it’s a brilliant video and explained very well what I needed to know. Although I have one question if possible. My car has m12x1.25 studs and am trying to fit a wheel from a car that is m14x1.5 so of course my m12 lug nuts were too skinny for the new wheel that almost got through the whole on wheel. Finally my question is how can I find the right lug nut for this situation?? I need to buy it online and not sure how to do it right. Thanks for the help
Thnx for the reply. So you had vibrations even though you had conical nuts and therefore the hub ring wasnt necessary? Cause according to this video hub rings aren't necessary when conical nuts are used. I'm trying to find out if I can mount my new wheels without the hub rings, since the nuts and nuts holes from the rim are both conical and the wheel would centre perfectly without hub ring, in theory at least.
@@uwtab6898 I just installed my wheels without hub rings and using conical nuts. I have had no issues with vibration. The trick is you have to make sure you securely tighten them down and the wheel itself has to be lug centric. You can’t use conical nuts on a non lug centric wheel and expect to have a smooth ride. Each wheel is designed for its purpose. To either fit securely on you hub or to fit securely only when conical nuts are used and torqued down.
Thanks for the video. This was really easy to understand. You’re the first person I’ve watched who made me feel confident about what you’re saying. I have a question for you. I bought some wheels I really like online. Both are 5 x 1 14.3‘s however I have a 66.1 bore and these wheels are 63.4. Everything I’ve seen including your video shows how to make a larger hub fit on a smaller one using the rings.Is there a way to make a smaller one adapt to fit on a larger one such as wheel adapters or spacers? I do like the look of a wider stance. I hope this makes sense, I’m just learning this stuff. Thank you.
Boosted Media So you’re saying there is a way to do it using spacers? I’m not against it if it would work. That’s why I said I like the wider stance. What would I look for when ordering the spacers To make this fit?
Hey Will, enjoying the series....question, would tapered lugs make the hub rings somewhat redundant (obviously tightened hand tight then torqued in a star pattern)? I've got new wheels for my WRX (daily driver) and totally overlooked the possible need for hub rings.
North Vapes It depends if the wheels you're fitting are hubcentric or lugcentric. As a general rule I suggest just fitting them anyway to be 100% sure you won't have problems. If you're not getting any vibrations at all then chances are your wheels are lugcentric and you're totally fine.
Tire shop uses pneumatic gun with stick to initially set lugs hopefully in star pattern. What torque is normally used for the gun in this initial setting ? I have never seen the tire shop adjust the torque wrench for final tightening. I purchased after market rims about three months ago - vehicle has been vibrating since - I had all suspension checked by Buick - having new after market rims sent this week - shop uses Hunter balancing machine but wonder about the cone they use - never seen them change out the cone for different size rims - vehicle has hub rings - what do you recommend for installation procedure of lug nuts ?
I have mag lugs on my Lexus and they are shortish, can is use acorn replacements, can I switch without any safety issue. My mags are also short compared to rim pockets holes so hard to feel the thread when screwing in without tool (Dont want to x-thread)
Hello, i have a question. My car's wheel hub is 67.1mm and and aftermarket alloy wheels bore size is 67.5mm..Do i need a hub ring to fill such a small gap?
I got a good deal on a set of 2010 Challenger wheels with tires 225/60/18. I was thinking of installing them on my 2010 jeep patriot. I've test fitted one on the Patriot and it fits nicely. I'll have to get different lugs as the Jeep lugs are not long enough for full tightness. The wheel hub is 71.5mm Patriot is 67.1mm. I think rings are a good idea for safety and ride comfort. Also the Patriot is not four wheel drive. I would appreciate your input! Got the set for 80.00, and the tires are like new.
bro i have cadillac ats its bolt pattern is 5x115 and i want to change alloywheels but all alloywheels has 5x114.3 size. can i use 5x114.3 size with hub centric ring?
Hey, great video. I have a 2017 f-250 and would like to put on RBP glocks 20 x 10 with a -12 backspace 8 x 170 . They have two center bore options they say will fit. 125mm and 129 mm. My hub size is 124.9 . Which center bore size would be better or does it matter? Would the 125 be hubcentric because the diameter is close or does it depend on the wheel itself?
I have a question and hopefully you can help me I have a old camry without hole wheel. Can I install other type of lug nuts? Or just the basic regular. I'm thinking about the one that locks up because it might give me more security that non of them will go out by himself
So if the taper on the lug nuts matches the taper on the wheel lug nut holes, you dont need hub centric rings? The lug nuts takes care of centering the wheel?
I want to put 17 alloys wheels ho was made from the factory (original seat Arona) to fit with M14 bolts with an R14 radius. I want to put it on a Subaru with M12 x1.25 lugnuts with R12 radius. I know is not perfect fit but is acceptable? Thank you.
That may b but ur wheel may not b centered right causing vibration there is a right way to center the wheel when installing using the tip of your foot to even out the center of holes on wheel then tighten lug nuts 🔩
If the taper on the lug nuts matches the taper on the wheel lug nut holes, then you dont need hub rings because the lug nuts ensures the wheel is centered?
So is it safe even with out them? I bought 4 rimz and had to put on only 2 at a time. The first pair the mechanic never mentioned any o ring for the rims too fit... Now on my second pair and this mechanic is askong for o rings lol Then i showed him the first set the front ones, and he notices they dont have any o rings either lol That was 3 months ago. Im guessing its okay??? Thank you for any feed back.
The lug nuts I have now are too wide and dont fully fit the rims I have. I've tried going to autozone and walmart to find thinner lug nuts but I cant find any because I dont know the exact dimensions of what i need. Think you could help?
Hi, serious question. The place I bought my wheels from says I don't need a hub rings. The new wheels I bought has 73.1mm and the stock is 67.1mm. Do you think I need to buy hub rings?
I have a set of old OEM SVT wheels that came off a 1998 Ford SVT Contour, and I got them powdercoated to Cardinal Gold and I had put them on my 2010 Ford Focus, and I have a lug centric spacers, but I was trying to find the right size for the hub centric rings, do you have any idea what is the right size for the ring of my SVT wheel?
Not sure why, but I have some wheels for my daily and the normal lugnuts were too thick for the lug holes so I ordered aftermarket ones. They match my thread pitch, fit in the wheels, etc. Only thing is they dint allow me to tighten all the way almost as if they are too short but they aren't. Help!
Great video! I have a 1975 Camaro I am trying to take the wheels off of my 2017 Camaro. The lugs line up perfectly but the center doesn’t seem wide enough to fit over the dust cap or bore. Every time I try it pushed the center cap off of the rim. Please help lol! The 1975 is 5x120.7 and the 2017 is 5x120
Titanium lug nuts are perfect 👌😁 Titanium lug nuts are 29% stronger and nearly 50% lighter than steel which results in a decreased rotational wheel mass. I know where can you get it at a great price 😁😁
Subbed! That intro song was sick!! Massive hip hop head here, was that Chingy? So refreshing to not hear the same generic trap/dubstep beats, cheers!!!
Them plastic hub rings ain’t gonna catch fire 🔥 endless ur cars on fire lol and the tapper lugs will work jus fine on a lug centric wheel vs a non centric what I’ve learn so far from theses hub rings is if you have a gap/space between ur bore and wheel probably not a bad idea to use ring’s…. If the wheel centers Jus right on your hub/rotters you should b fine with out either one☝🏼
Your explanation makes good sense. Basically lug centric wheels only need the rings for those who are either too lazy, or don't know how to properly torque the lugs down. It would help however to have good quality lugs and studs for tighter torque, instead of 100 lbs, 150 lbs would give it more friction force between the hubs and wheels using quality studs ans lugs, not some cheap aftermarket china crap that could break... just sayin.
I’ve watched a bunch of inferior videos on hub/lug centric before finding your vid. For me, it’s by far the best explanation on RUclips about how the friction/clamping force works! Thank you for finally settling the issue for me. The others championed the use of hub rings and then you read the comments and people argue back and forth. One guy even claimed to be an ase certified mechanic and claimed w/o the rings, all of the weight is on the lug studs. Which makes 0 sense because of what you said about plastic rings. Thank you again for finally giving me peace of mind that my wheels aren’t going to fall off 🤪
You’re welcome mate. Glad it helped.
Just spent $1700 on new wheels and tires for my truck and never thought of lug centric/ hub centric. After noticing the bore on my new rims was dramatically larger then the hub on my truck I started freaking out. U explained this perfectly and it makes perfect sense. Thanks so much for sharing . Maybe I can finally get some sleep after 6 days of freaking out
Thanks very much for commenting. This kind of feedback is exactly why I make videos. Im so glad I was able to help :)
My dad still won’t believe this video. 😂 Highly informative ❤️ That’s why I see a lot cars these days run without hub-centric rings without issues. The common misconception with that is that the studs are carrying the weight of the car where in fact it’s only there to hold the nuts and therefore holding the wheel in place. For a while back I always thought that way, now I am informed.
Good video. I already knew these things, but it's good to see correct information.
This really helps very informative.. lady driver here .. i’m learning from you . Thank you ..
I know the video is quite old but it’s a brilliant video and explained very well what I needed to know. Although I have one question if possible. My car has m12x1.25 studs and am trying to fit a wheel from a car that is m14x1.5 so of course my m12 lug nuts were too skinny for the new wheel that almost got through the whole on wheel. Finally my question is how can I find the right lug nut for this situation?? I need to buy it online and not sure how to do it right. Thanks for the help
Excellent explanation about that. Thanks, I had vibrations on my car, but I checked the Hub Rings and driver side was broke.
Hi there, question for you 4 years later. Did you have flat nuts or conical nuts that centres the tire?
@@uwtab6898 Conical nuts bro
Thnx for the reply. So you had vibrations even though you had conical nuts and therefore the hub ring wasnt necessary? Cause according to this video hub rings aren't necessary when conical nuts are used. I'm trying to find out if I can mount my new wheels without the hub rings, since the nuts and nuts holes from the rim are both conical and the wheel would centre perfectly without hub ring, in theory at least.
@@uwtab6898 I just installed my wheels without hub rings and using conical nuts. I have had no issues with vibration. The trick is you have to make sure you securely tighten them down and the wheel itself has to be lug centric. You can’t use conical nuts on a non lug centric wheel and expect to have a smooth ride. Each wheel is designed for its purpose. To either fit securely on you hub or to fit securely only when conical nuts are used and torqued down.
Thanks for the video. This was really easy to understand. You’re the first person I’ve watched who made me feel confident about what you’re saying. I have a question for you. I bought some wheels I really like online. Both are 5 x 1 14.3‘s however I have a 66.1 bore and these wheels are 63.4. Everything I’ve seen including your video shows how to make a larger hub fit on a smaller one using the rings.Is there a way to make a smaller one adapt to fit on a larger one such as wheel adapters or spacers? I do like the look of a wider stance. I hope this makes sense, I’m just learning this stuff. Thank you.
Unfortunately not without spacers.
Boosted Media So you’re saying there is a way to do it using spacers? I’m not against it if it would work. That’s why I said I like the wider stance. What would I look for when ordering the spacers To make this fit?
Excellent information. 👍👏👏👏
Hey Will, enjoying the series....question, would tapered lugs make the hub rings somewhat redundant (obviously tightened hand tight then torqued in a star pattern)? I've got new wheels for my WRX (daily driver) and totally overlooked the possible need for hub rings.
North Vapes It depends if the wheels you're fitting are hubcentric or lugcentric. As a general rule I suggest just fitting them anyway to be 100% sure you won't have problems. If you're not getting any vibrations at all then chances are your wheels are lugcentric and you're totally fine.
Tire shop uses pneumatic gun with stick to initially set lugs hopefully in star pattern. What torque is normally used for the gun in this initial setting ? I have never seen the tire shop adjust the torque wrench for final tightening. I purchased after market rims about three months ago - vehicle has been vibrating since - I had all suspension checked by Buick - having new after market rims sent this week - shop uses Hunter balancing machine but wonder about the cone they use - never seen them change out the cone for different size rims - vehicle has hub rings - what do you recommend for installation procedure of lug nuts ?
Excellent vids mate. cheers
I have mag lugs on my Lexus and they are shortish, can is use acorn replacements, can I switch without any safety issue. My mags are also short compared to rim pockets holes so hard to feel the thread when screwing in without tool (Dont want to x-thread)
Hello, i have a question. My car's wheel hub is 67.1mm and and aftermarket alloy wheels bore size is 67.5mm..Do i need a hub ring to fill such a small gap?
Nice review! Does 19mm hex lugnuts will fit rota? Currently using 17mm hex kyo-ei, and I want to upgrade to 19mm hex
I got a good deal on a set of 2010 Challenger wheels with tires 225/60/18. I was thinking of installing them on my 2010 jeep patriot. I've test fitted one on the Patriot and it fits nicely. I'll have to get different lugs as the Jeep lugs are not long enough for full tightness. The wheel hub is 71.5mm Patriot is 67.1mm. I think rings are a good idea for safety and ride comfort. Also the Patriot is not four wheel drive. I would appreciate your input! Got the set for 80.00, and the tires are like new.
Hi mate. I’m not sure how the wheels fit at all if the hub is larger than the bore of the wheels? Or did you mean the other way around?
bro i have cadillac ats its bolt pattern is 5x115 and i want to change alloywheels but all alloywheels has 5x114.3 size. can i use 5x114.3 size with hub centric ring?
Hey, great video. I have a 2017 f-250 and would like to put on RBP glocks 20 x 10 with a -12 backspace 8 x 170 . They have two center bore options they say will fit. 125mm and 129 mm. My hub size is 124.9 . Which center bore size would be better or does it matter? Would the 125 be hubcentric because the diameter is close or does it depend on the wheel itself?
Thanks! With the 124.9mm centre bore you shouldn't need hub rings. :)
So do i need Centric rings on my 4x4 or no need some say i need some i dont which is it ??
I have a question and hopefully you can help me
I have a old camry without hole wheel.
Can I install other type of lug nuts? Or just the basic regular.
I'm thinking about the one that locks up because it might give me more security that non of them will go out by himself
If the rings are custom made is it better to make them by steel for more strength (or stainless steel) than aluminium?
So if the taper on the lug nuts matches the taper on the wheel lug nut holes, you dont need hub centric rings? The lug nuts takes care of centering the wheel?
I want to put 17 alloys wheels ho was made from the factory (original seat Arona) to fit with M14 bolts with an R14 radius. I want to put it on a Subaru with M12 x1.25 lugnuts with R12 radius.
I know is not perfect fit but is acceptable? Thank you.
Finally someone understands that the lugs are never carrying the weight
Apparently clamping force is a difficult concept.
That may b but ur wheel may not b centered right causing vibration there is a right way to center the wheel when installing using the tip of your foot to even out the center of holes on wheel then tighten lug nuts 🔩
What about mag type lugs? They center the wheel as well if I am not mistaken..
If the taper on the lug nuts matches the taper on the wheel lug nut holes, then you dont need hub rings because the lug nuts ensures the wheel is centered?
I have a rim with 4 lugs. I want to get custom rims, but most of them are 5. Do I need to replace a part or something? I'm new to all of this.
What type of lug nuts do I need for Cosmis xt006r wheels for my 370z
So is it safe even with out them? I bought 4 rimz and had to put on only 2 at a time. The first pair the mechanic never mentioned any o ring for the rims too fit...
Now on my second pair and this mechanic is askong for o rings lol
Then i showed him the first set the front ones, and he notices they dont have any o rings either lol
That was 3 months ago. Im guessing its okay???
Thank you for any feed back.
If there's no vibration, it should be fine
Hi, I was told by a wheel shop that my rims are hub centric. But was not given any rings, do I try to see how the wheels fit and call them? Thanks
Jermain Matthew yes. You'll need to get some rings to fit them safely.
The lug nuts I have now are too wide and dont fully fit the rims I have. I've tried going to autozone and walmart to find thinner lug nuts but I cant find any because I dont know the exact dimensions of what i need. Think you could help?
Good info man!
Thanks a lot :)
Hi, serious question. The place I bought my wheels from says I don't need a hub rings. The new wheels I bought has 73.1mm and the stock is 67.1mm. Do you think I need to buy hub rings?
Are the wheels hub centric or lug centric?
@@boostedmedia i tried researching. I couldn't find any on the Avid.1 AV06
Got a set of Miro wheels for my 2016 wrx. Says I need tuner lug nuts, how do I know which size I need
I have a set of old OEM SVT wheels that came off a 1998 Ford SVT Contour, and I got them powdercoated to Cardinal Gold and I had put them on my 2010 Ford Focus, and I have a lug centric spacers, but I was trying to find the right size for the hub centric rings, do you have any idea what is the right size for the ring of my SVT wheel?
+SPM easy to figure out. Just measure the inner diameter of the hub bore on your wheel and the outer diameter of the hub on your car. :)
Not sure why, but I have some wheels for my daily and the normal lugnuts were too thick for the lug holes so I ordered aftermarket ones. They match my thread pitch, fit in the wheels, etc. Only thing is they dint allow me to tighten all the way almost as if they are too short but they aren't. Help!
Sounds like you need lug nuts that fit.
Great video! I have a 1975 Camaro I am trying to take the wheels off of my 2017 Camaro. The lugs line up perfectly but the center doesn’t seem wide enough to fit over the dust cap or bore. Every time I try it pushed the center cap off of the rim. Please help lol! The 1975 is 5x120.7 and the 2017 is 5x120
Sounds like they won’t physically fit.
Boosted Media I was hoping that maybe I could alter them lol thanks!!
A machine shop might be able to bore them out I suppose.
Boosted Media cool thanks
Good luck with it :)
Can you put washers on your hub studs.? If lugnuts leave a thread gap of one or two threads Et lugnuts came up short,deep rim wheel holes.
No
@@boostedmedia My Et lugnut shank .30 does .33 make a difference?
Thank
The link to part one is an edit link which takes me to RUclips Studio.
What is meant by turns of engagement?
Titanium lug nuts are perfect 👌😁 Titanium lug nuts are 29% stronger and nearly 50% lighter than steel which results in a decreased rotational wheel mass. I know where can you get it at a great price 😁😁
Subbed! That intro song was sick!! Massive hip hop head here, was that Chingy?
So refreshing to not hear the same generic trap/dubstep beats, cheers!!!
Yeah. Y’all ride 18s, we ride 26s. Lol
Them plastic hub rings ain’t gonna catch fire 🔥 endless ur cars on fire lol and the tapper lugs will work jus fine on a lug centric wheel vs a non centric what I’ve learn so far from theses hub rings is if you have a gap/space between ur bore and wheel probably not a bad idea to use ring’s…. If the wheel centers Jus right on your hub/rotters you should b fine with out either one☝🏼
Which wheels are these?
Rays 57Xtreme
Boosted Autos thanks!
I hope no one is getting their wheel hot enough to melt aluminum 😅 (1221 F & 660 C). Solid video tho 👌
I was referring to the plastic ones melting.
Your explanation makes good sense. Basically lug centric wheels only need the rings for those who are either too lazy, or don't know how to properly torque the lugs down. It would help however to have good quality lugs and studs for tighter torque, instead of 100 lbs, 150 lbs would give it more friction force between the hubs and wheels using quality studs ans lugs, not some cheap aftermarket china crap that could break... just sayin.
Higher torque spec is not always better. Over torquing the lugs can be problematic. Just follow manufacturer spec
How you bait me with ze40 as the pic
Lol
not 4 race applications plistic
thx