That’s a lovely example. I also have one from 1966, my parents bought it for me one Christmas because we had the Glasgow Blue Trains , this was the closest equivalent! It’s battered and bruised but recently had a new lease of life when Sams Trains serviced it for me . A cherished locomotive . The AL1 became a class 81 in BR life .
Hi Russell, thats great to hear you have your original model from back in 1966. And even better to hear that Sam has given it a new lease of life. Oscar
That moulded " c "I think might refer to which side the cantenary should be for overhead working. For over 40 years that was my favourite tri-ang hornby catalogue cover, and then one day I found my holy grail, the original painting at lord McAlpines steam railway and museum in Fawley just down the road near Henley on Thames! Great video as always, nice to see that stuff working so well.
Thanks Steve, I think your right about the c moulded into the plastic body. But I think it is a hangover from the Hornby Dublo and perhaps they had a planned catenary system. As Tri-ang marked their motor bogies with an I for the insulated side and R for the return side. Oscar
Great video again Oscar. It's another one that escaped me, issued around the time I was learning to drive, apprenticeship, and girls. (Probably in that order lol.) David.
Good evening Paul. Glad to hear you finally got one. Hope it did not disappoint! They are a rather fine looking model. Thanks for watching and taking the time to comment. Oscar
Thanks Oscar, I have the older full yellow end version, and it has suffered the same damage as the single pantograph version you showed, it's had a bad drop which has cracked the cab at one end and sheared off the lump of plastic that holds the thread for the body screw, but she's a great runner!
The off position on top was a great idea. It would be the first "cab control" innovation. Two or more locos on shed without the need for isolating rails. I wish they still did it.
Hi Oscar....my later variant of this loco (with the arrows) arrived the other day and I am quite (happily) surprised as to the weight of this model. The motor bogie is not unlike the one used for the TC range which I am a big fan off as it is very dependable and has very good pulling power. I was reading up on Wikipedia about the history of the actual real life prototype and they mentioned the model by Hornby Dublo/Triang Hornby as being "crude"....I am not of the same opinion. For the period I think it was well executed and looks like the full size thing. Very pleased indeed with my purchase. Still on the look out for the earlier colour variation with the white rooves though. Thanks for the information you give, it gives clarity in what to look for when searching for the different variations. Beat wishes Brian
Good morning Brian great to hear you got one of these terrific locomotives. As you say terrific models for the time they were produced especially as they could run from an overhead system as well as the track! Thanks again for watching glad you're enjoying the videos. Take care. Oscar
Another top video Oscar. Maybe the “C” on the underframe detail had something to do with how the loco needed to placed on the track when using supply from the overhead?🤔 I think you mentioned a similar notation on the Electra. The coaches were pretty smart too and the entire train is impressive.
Hi Andrew, your right the Tri-ang power bogies on these OH electric models need to be placed on the track with the insulated side nearest to the power mast. The bogie has a letter I on the casting on the isolated side and the letter R on the non-insulated "return side". The letter C seems to be on the insulated side. The body only fits on chassis one way. Hornby Dublo never got around to developing a catenary system of there own or none that's been mentioned in what I've read. Maybe it was C for closest to power mast? and Tri-ang simply did not alter the tool for the body mould and left the C in place. I would be interested to see the original instructions that came with the Hornby Dublo model apparently there was a 3-rail variation too. Oscar
On electric locomotives the louvre side is to vent traction equipment and the side with windows is the cab to cab corridoor, also the early br electrics Would run with two pantos up but then they switched to rear panto up front one down so if damaged the leading one would have passed the bit that had damaged the panto head, exeption To this was the em1 em2 where pick up problems with using i panto meant they always used two
Your station must be manchester picadilly lol only place where em2 and ac electrics ran side by side, There is a great pic on flicker of an electric blue white roofed ac loco being towed through south yorkshire on the wood head route an ac loco under dc wires for maintainance at doncaster and a pic of dc em1 locos being towed under ac wires en route for crew works, pantos locked down in both cases
Intended to be a Type A/AL1/Class 81 as numbered E3001. I have a boxed 2 pantograph version I bought in 1966. I think it cost about 65/- (65 shillings = £3-15/- old money, £3-75p new).
That "no collection" position makes no sense to me. Why would u want to switch off the loco, and if a kid accidentally witches there he would think the loco is broken. BTW. i brought my 1st few 00 vintage locos (i have a few in H0): Tri-ang, BR black M7 (R754), mint, with box and paperwork (for 22 GBP); Wrenn class 8 shunter (renumbered) BR green, average, no box (for 25 GBP). Too bad i only have the 3 Clerestory Coaches from that era to mach.
Good evening Tom. I think the idea behind the no collection option is so one locomotive could stand with the pantograph up whilst ( maybe in a siding as these may not always be isolated depending on track/catenary configuration) and another could move on the layout freely. Tri-ang made no isolating sections for the catenary! Black M7 one of my favourites. sounds like a good start and price to another part of your collection. You should be able to find plenty of options on coaches at excellent prices especially without boxes. Oscar
Agree, just isolate the track section, most manufactures has isolating joint, or something similar, there's even a block-signal segment with a similar purpose.
I did use past tense in my comment. I of course use isolating tracks now but in my youth (8 - 14 yrs old) isolating tracks were unheard of. It was marvelous to be able to turn off a loco.
That’s a lovely example. I also have one from 1966, my parents bought it for me one Christmas because we had the Glasgow Blue Trains , this was the closest equivalent! It’s battered and bruised but recently had a new lease of life when Sams Trains serviced it for me . A cherished locomotive . The AL1 became a class 81 in BR life .
Hi Russell, thats great to hear you have your original model from back in 1966. And even better to hear that Sam has given it a new lease of life.
Oscar
That moulded " c "I think might refer to which side the cantenary should be for overhead working.
For over 40 years that was my favourite tri-ang hornby catalogue cover, and then one day I found my holy grail, the original painting at lord McAlpines steam railway and museum in Fawley just down the road near Henley on Thames!
Great video as always, nice to see that stuff working so well.
Thanks Steve, I think your right about the c moulded into the plastic body. But I think it is a hangover from the Hornby Dublo and perhaps they had a planned catenary system. As Tri-ang marked their motor bogies with an I for the insulated side and R for the return side. Oscar
All running very smoothly for the vintage! Thanks for uploading.
Great video again Oscar. It's another one that escaped me, issued around the time I was learning to drive, apprenticeship, and girls. (Probably in that order lol.) David.
Sounds like you were definitely too busy for toy trains back then David!
Oscar
E3001 was the locomotive I always wanted as a boy I had to wait 20+ years before I got my hands on one
Good evening Paul. Glad to hear you finally got one. Hope it did not disappoint!
They are a rather fine looking model.
Thanks for watching and taking the time to comment.
Oscar
Oscar Paisley I always like watching your videos as not only are they well made they are full of information on the models
Thanks Oscar, I have the older full yellow end version, and it has suffered the same damage as the single pantograph version you showed, it's had a bad drop which has cracked the cab at one end and sheared off the lump of plastic that holds the thread for the body screw, but she's a great runner!
Makes my knees hurt reading that list of damage Paul. The main thing is she's still a good runner.
Oscar
Absolutely wonderful loco and coaches.
Hi Norbert, I agree these must have looked ultra modern back in the day.
Oscar
The off position on top was a great idea. It would be the first "cab control" innovation. Two or more locos on shed without the need for isolating rails. I wish they still did it.
Definitely a very useful feature.
Oscar
Hi Oscar....my later variant of this loco (with the arrows) arrived the other day and I am quite (happily) surprised as to the weight of this model. The motor bogie is not unlike the one used for the TC range which I am a big fan off as it is very dependable and has very good pulling power.
I was reading up on Wikipedia about the history of the actual real life prototype and they mentioned the model by Hornby Dublo/Triang Hornby as being "crude"....I am not of the same opinion. For the period I think it was well executed and looks like the full size thing. Very pleased indeed with my purchase. Still on the look out for the earlier colour variation with the white rooves though.
Thanks for the information you give, it gives clarity in what to look for when searching for the different variations.
Beat wishes
Brian
Good morning Brian great to hear you got one of these terrific locomotives. As you say terrific models for the time they were produced especially as they could run from an overhead system as well as the track!
Thanks again for watching glad you're enjoying the videos.
Take care.
Oscar
Another top video Oscar. Maybe the “C” on the underframe detail had something to do with how the loco needed to placed on the track when using supply from the overhead?🤔 I think you mentioned a similar notation on the Electra. The coaches were pretty smart too and the entire train is impressive.
I agree Andrew, In North America we refer to that as the "common" rail.
Hi Andrew, your right the Tri-ang power bogies on these OH electric models need to be placed on the track with the insulated side nearest to the power mast. The bogie has a letter I on the casting on the isolated side and the letter R on the non-insulated "return side". The letter C seems to be on the insulated side. The body only fits on chassis one way. Hornby Dublo never got around to developing a catenary system of there own or none that's been mentioned in what I've read. Maybe it was C for closest to power mast? and Tri-ang simply did not alter the tool for the body mould and left the C in place. I would be interested to see the original instructions that came with the Hornby Dublo model apparently there was a 3-rail variation too.
Oscar
I would suggest the number 3300 HP on the cab glazing unit is a reference to the power output of the prototype loco (4 × 847 hp, or 3388 Hp).
On electric locomotives the louvre side is to vent traction equipment and the side with windows is the cab to cab corridoor, also the early br electrics
Would run with two pantos up but then they switched to rear panto up front one down so if damaged the leading one would have passed the bit that had damaged the panto head, exeption
To this was the em1 em2 where pick up problems with using i panto meant they always used two
That's great thanks for the information.
Oscar
Your station must be manchester picadilly lol only place where em2 and ac electrics ran side by side,
There is a great pic on flicker of an electric blue white roofed ac loco being towed through south yorkshire on the wood head route an ac loco under dc wires for maintainance at doncaster and a pic of dc em1 locos being towed under ac wires en route for crew works, pantos locked down in both cases
It's a shame that this loco was fitted with Class 82 style bogies and not the Class 81 ones 🙁
Lovely video Oscar, Are both photograph`s powered? And can the model run with both of them up?
Regards
Kev
Hi Kev, yes it can take power from both pantographs and can run with either or both.
Oscar
Lovely loco, would that be a class 83?
Reading Pat Hammond's book there seems to be some debate about which class this is based on.
Oscar
Intended to be a Type A/AL1/Class 81 as numbered E3001. I have a boxed 2 pantograph version I bought in 1966. I think it cost about 65/- (65 shillings = £3-15/- old money, £3-75p new).
That "no collection" position makes no sense to me. Why would u want to switch off the loco, and if a kid accidentally witches there he would think the loco is broken. BTW. i brought my 1st few 00 vintage locos (i have a few in H0): Tri-ang, BR black M7 (R754), mint, with box and paperwork (for 22 GBP); Wrenn class 8 shunter (renumbered) BR green, average, no box (for 25 GBP). Too bad i only have the 3 Clerestory Coaches from that era to mach.
Good evening Tom. I think the idea behind the no collection option is so one locomotive could stand with the pantograph up whilst ( maybe in a siding as these may not always be isolated depending on track/catenary configuration) and another could move on the layout freely. Tri-ang made no isolating sections for the catenary! Black M7 one of my favourites. sounds like a good start and price to another part of your collection. You should be able to find plenty of options on coaches at excellent prices especially without boxes.
Oscar
I would have preferred an isolating switch on all locos for the reason Oscar has pointed out. David.
So you could isolate the loco on the same track as a working one, perhaps in a depot or a siding, without the use of an isolating track or isolaters.
Agree, just isolate the track section, most manufactures has isolating joint, or something similar, there's even a block-signal segment with a similar purpose.
I did use past tense in my comment. I of course use isolating tracks now but in my youth (8 - 14 yrs old) isolating tracks were unheard of. It was marvelous to be able to turn off a loco.