DCs are not medical doctors but are still wellness doctors. They're based on different ideologies at that point. (...) (6 hour edit for anyone else wanting to reply, please realize that this is an epistemological take. If you want to make a counter claim, please do, but use epistemologically sound references. It's not helpful to just say "they're quacks" without expressing how that claim has been sourced. Thanks!) ... MD might be more rigorous in today's world but that's also because it's a Jack of all Medical Trades, especially including medicine use which is a big risk. Whereas DC is narrowly specialized by design
@@Vazcov1609 that's literally what I said. They're different ideologies. Evidence based medicine is one ideology and it has its two professional doctorate areas (MD and DO).
As a current second year Osteopathic medical student, I really do appreciate this video. Becoming a physician has always been my dream (surgery is the goal). Keep up the great content!
Good luck to you Andrew! I have worked with DOs nearly all my 40 years as a BSN in ICU,CCU,CVICU,ER,PACU,and NICU. My mother's cardiologist was board certified in Cardiology, Internal Medicine, Acupuncture, Homeopathy, and Naturopathy. He was fond of Chinese medicine as it has been practiced for over 5000 years. I'm for any medical education that promotes an open mind and integrates patient care. Just for grins, start by assessing your patient's earlobes. If they are wrinkled to the point they are nearly folded in half it is an indicator of severe atherosclerotic heart disease. And if the lips have giant vertical wrinkles they were/are smokers. Chinese doctors only get paid if the patient is cured!
@@Legorreta.M.Dyou obviously didn't understand what she wrote, your comment makes you look ignorant She said her mother's cardiologist was also a practitioner of Eastern medicine.
@@aprayingatheist2378 I did understand the comment and if you did too, you would know she probably didn't achieve both careers at the same time, now did she? Lynn also said the mother WAS X and WAS Y and WAS Z. Is there a clear indication of the three happening simultaneously? Because Germany was involved in WWI and was involved in WWII and was involved in the East and West German reunification. The use of the Word WAS does not indicate the three things happened at the same time. Learn that.
I can state unequivocally that I was exceedingly lucky one day when while in my doctor's waiting room for what seemed like forever & barely able to inflate my lungs I was asked by the staff if I minded seeing his partner instead who wasn't an MD but a DO. I said I'd love to see him. I thought I had pneumonia or bronchitis because my breathing was so severely constricted. It turned out that I had dislocated all of my ribs from my spine and they were compressing my lungs. I swear it was like something you'd see on a TV show instead of actual life. I walked in barely able to draw a breath. The doctor made some quick movements that caused loud popping sounds from my back. I sat up and easily drew the deepest, full breath of air for the first time in days. I'm forever grateful for that day.
I’m a 3rd year DO student, sounds to me like you had a bunch of posterior ribs! Those can be pretty gnarly, I’m glad your physician was able to help you out :)
The best doctor I ever had was a DO. He was a truly great doctor and a very kind man. He delivered both of my children and I received the best care. I was so sad when he retired.
I’ve never even heard of DOs, but it actually sounds like a really good fit for me since I have a lot of nerve and muscle issues. Kinda sad no one ever told me about them
Definitely go talk to a DO and ask them to find you an OMT specialist. It completely changed my life with neck pain. Many MD’s don’t think about OMT because it was not part of their training.
You've actually probably seen a DO at some point in your life without even realizing it because they most commonly go into family practice. However, not every DO will go on to practice OMT after they finish medical school, so you will definitely want to look for someone who specializes in the treatment practice.
@@hahahano2013 heck, a friend of ours from college graduated with a DO, then went on to specialize in psychiatry. I don’t imagine he physically touches his patients very much, if at all.
@@hahahano2013yeah but only 50 percent of DOs chose to go into primary care while the other 50 percent chose to specialize and that gap is closing every year before they number was much more higher so maybe 10 years from now with the merger and everything most DOs won’t specifically focus on primary care and go to other medical specialty’s
Agree that it is the osteopathic that trips people up since osteopaths (which is usually used for practitioners who do only osteopathic manipulation) are decidedly NOT physicians. I remember having a conversation with an Australian who wondered how on earth Sean Conley managed to become the Physician to the President since he is a DO. They didn't realize that an osteopath and an osteopathic physician are very different in the US.
Well, in the US (the birthplace of osteopathy, which btw was created by a US physician in the first place), all osteopaths = osteopathic physicians. Non-physician osteopaths don't exist in the US. there's no such occupation or training program for non physician osteopaths. It's the existence of EUROPEAN osteopaths, who are NOT physicians, that stirs up confusion.
Now I'm wondering... do countries that have non-physician osteopaths, also have chiropractors? Or do they have osteopaths _instead of_ chiropractors 🤔?
I’m a second year DO student. People seem to forget that A.T. Still, the founder of the first osteopathic school, was actually an MD. Osteopathic schools teach all the same things as MD schools.
My DO is amazing. Not because he's a DO, that's just a bonus, but because he's an amazing doctor and really cares about his patients. Good doctors equal good doctors and any other training they get is just a bonus! Thank you Doc Schmidt!
I specifically went to a DO for OMT. I was having shoulder and back issues and after several session it cleared up. Not all DOs practice OMT after medical school. I highly recommend it.
@@wadejohnson3051 This is wholly incorrect. There is plenty of research done to show osteopathic treatment.can alleviate many chronic conditions such as pain in a non-pharmacological manner or in combination with a pharmacologic agent. Please do your research. DOs just have one extra tool they can use to help their patients that is completely based in science.
@@wadejohnson3051 I feel like you didn't listen to the video at all. A DO has the exact same curriculum as an MD with just one extra specialty of osteopathic manipulation. They have no training in holistic or natural medicine but in modern medicine, making them most likely to push modern medicine. Why not be a DO when you have the added benefit of extra curriculum under your belt, even if you end up not using or needing it.
@@mikalahill2531 The core idea on which he founded OM if founded in the notion that the bones and their connections represent a continuous energy that can heal the whole body. This notion is also completely wrong. The notion of a life force was always a placeholder of our own ignorance, and was discarded by medicine once we learned how biology actually works. No life force has ever been discovered by science, and there is no plausible mechanism for such a force. There is also no evidence tying the bones to healing in the way imagined by Still.
@@wadejohnson3051 OMM is helpful for many patients, and there is a good amount of research on several of the treatments. Even if they don’t cure cancer, they help the patient in many different ways. A.T. Still was an MD, never forget that important fact.
Thanks Doc Schmidt. I'm a DO and I sometimes can get a bad rep just for my title. Most people don't mind in the least however! I appreciate this video!
@@eps3154 Unfortunately a lot of people don’t understand that concept. For example people love to hate on chiropractors by saying stuff like their not real medical doctors. Of course their not!!!! And most don’t act or say they are! They are DOCTORS of CHIROPRACTIC not medical doctors. Put their philosophies/practices aside they do earn the title doctor because they have a doctorate degree which took them 7-8 years of schooling to get. Just like medical doctors, they also have to go to undergrad for 4 years and chiropractic school for 3-4 years. Of course chiropractors don’t have residency or fellowship programs so mds do have much more training after medical school but they both went to school for many years. Just like a doctor of physical therapy, doctor of philosophy or another doctorate degree.
@@georgelopez9517yeah but the fact is DO is a legitimate medical doctor they just went to medical school at an osteopathic medical school rather then an allopathic medical school. It’s not like they have a doctorate like a chiropractor but aren’t considered medical doctors, you know what I mean ?
Don’t worry dude every year thst stigma will decrease screw them ass hole MDs who think they are better then a DO when a DO not only learns what they learn they also work and do much more then those MDs
Don’t be sketched out seeing MD or DO at the end of a doctors title it’s just a degree just know whatever medical school they went to is accredited and those degrees aren’t just handed out so I wouldn’t be to worried seeing a DO or MD
As someone who has switched over to seeing a DO for my primary care doctor, it is mostly the same except I think that DOs often tend to think more holistically in terms of care especially for chronic illnesses. I think this is largely due to self selection into the programs, rather than the curriculum but it is still quite a big plus for someone who is dealing with chronic issues
I went to a DO school for a couple years before I had to make a career change. It is actually also built into the curriculum to have a more holistic approach to medicine. The way they train you to do patient interactions, the OMT, and the systems classes approach medicine that way.
“To find health should be the object of the doctor. Anyone can find disease.” - A.T. Still, DO, Founder of Osteopathy Thank you for your summary = excellent. I worked for an Osteopathic Medical Board - and we answered this question daily. The public may not realize that a medical license (osteopathic or allopathic) is simply, “Physician and Surgeon” - w/o qualification for specialty. Of course good luck getting privileges (or credentialed) w/o Board Eligible/Certification. And most states require at least 36 months GME for licensure. FUN FACT: In California, DOs could exchange their DO Degree for an MD. In 2000, we (regulators) were discussing why the difference ? And would it hold or would osteopathy (OPP/OMT) morph into a specialty or something? Didn’t think so, but most states have combined licensing boards. However, the single national match was a game changer in integrating MDs and DOs into more specialties. Will the COMLEX fall to the USMLE? NBME vs NBOME? From a licensure view - they are the same - all the powers and obligations as physicians. I found DOs to be as flakey in renewals and CMEs as many doctors. And equally likely to have problems licensing boards care about. Ironically - we never dealt with an issue that was strictly osteopathic. Osteopathy history is interesting. Andrew Taylor Still’s life was really tragic- as a civil war physician- he felt powerless in treating illness that his kids died from. And he got to thinking more about how the whole body is impacted by DX. - and voila - a new school of medicine. Fascinated by Ear Wax: In Stills book, “Philosophy of Osteopathy” (circa 1899), he talks about EAR WAX - 🧐 he devoted an entire chapter to the subject beginning, “That nature makes nothing in vain is an established truth …. I asked myself to try and get a reason of why nature had made and placed in a person's head so much fine machinery just to make a little ear-wax. If nothing is made in vain, what is that bitter stuff made for? It is always there, and more being made all the time.” I thought that tidbit might be interesting to a “poop doctor” (the body doesn’t waste…) 😉 Keep the content coming.
Thank you for this fascinating information. I always learn something new here. I wonder whether a patient who suffers with spinal issues would find it best to have a D.O. as their PCP. I hadn't considered that before. 🤔
@@tinamckenna7514 I work with both DO and MD in a big primary care practice. There is literally no difference in their practice. Many new patients think that the DO will do the osteopathic manipulation which they don't and treat their bone issues better than an MD but they realize they recommended the same treatment. Some DO may do the osteopathic manipulation but a lot of them don't.
When I first encountered a DO, I thought they were taught abroad because every DO I had contact with was trained in another country. I thought MD meant you were taught in the US. Boy was I ever wrong. It took me several years before I learned the difference
Wonderful explanation in regards to the subtle differences in our training. Our fellow DOs deserve the same respect as MDs. Stigma and understanding of these degrees need to change. Positive influences such as yourself are what will help bring about such a change. Good on you Doc Schmidt!
I feel that one of the main issues regarding stigma is that people focus on the merit of qualifying to get into the school, and don't focus on the fact that if that person managed to get to a position where they are practicing medicine, they are qualified regardless of where they went to school or what degree they got.
Eh, sorta. The bigger flag to me is if the went to one of the Caribbean medical schools since that tends to be last resort when you didn't have the grades/skills to get into medical program in the s States/Canada.
@@FluffyWuffy17 Of course but I do think a doctor would not reach attending status at a hospital if they weren't capable, even if they were IMG or not.
Exactly, the relative easiness of entering DO or Caribbean schools is offset by the increased difficulty in USMLE and increased selectivity in residency and speciality programs. Should a graduate successfully obtain practicing license, then they are as qualified as any of their peers regardless of what type of schools they went to.
DO school is still very competitive. It is definitely more competitive than MD schools were in the 80s or 90s. Which is a good thing because we are getting more and more highly qualified doctors via DO and MD schools. Also most IMGs are extremely smart and I believe have better outcomes than US grads. I think part of these is because only the best of the best IMGs can get into residency in the US. You have IMGs with scores high enough for any specialty that can only get into primary care residency in the states.
My psychiatrist is a DO and I absolutely love him - he really focuses on the totality of my health, and always asks lots of questions about my mental state and how I’m doing physically. I feel like he sees me as a real person instead of a collection of body parts.
Good for you for being 100% honest and not manipulating the info in your favor. MD v DO stigma didn't magically happen it happens by MDs supporting the idea that a MD is superior and it has certainly helped them for a long time get a edge in many ways just based on a untrue perception
Thank you!! The decision to go/not go to a DO/MD has never figured into my decision (I care far more about how approachable, kind & caring of a person they are). But I've never really understood the distinction. So thanks!! P.S. Love your videos!! 😊
You are excellent. Teaching all of us the difference. I admire all the medical staff and hardworking people behind the scenes.Dr . Smicht you are helping those to understand who are not in the medical field . Awesome content. Thank you so very much. Kindest regards.
Loveeee my Osteopathic manipulation therapy docs ❤️ Such a life saver for my fibro and my EDS. She puts my shoulder back into place and does trigger point injections for me. Completely stopped my migraines.
I'm active duty Navy, I noticed we at one point didn't have an MD on our ship. Theres already a lack of trust with military doctors as is, but I noticed our SMO (Senior Medical Officer) had a "DO". I googled it. Anyone with a marble rolling in there brain can see that a DO is literally an MD + alternate medicine (Chiropractic's, etc). I value a DO more than I would an MD, because they have more tools to help you get well. Especially being in the military, it helps to have someone who can treat your body aches or back pain with more than just medications. Thank you for making this video Doc. Anyone that tries to discredit a DO is probably a frequent user of Alternate Facebook Medicine. Someone mentioned it earlier too about the type of schooling. The amount of education MDs and DOs go through is incredibly intense and more than 99% of the population could handle in two life times. Trully idgaf nor is it really my business where the Doctor seeing me got his degree from.
I agree. all the DOs Ive encountered pair "normal" western medicine treatment along with considering alternative medicine. they are great at seeing your whole body and how your issues connect rather than simply focusing on one part of your body at a time. I much prefer DOs, I get much better holistic treatment which really matters to me since I'm terminal and I always want MORE options not less. they keep me comfortable without just drugging me to a point I can't think. I'm not a fan of lots of alternative medicine, but there's also lots of good to come out of it when paired with western medicine.
@@livyann2143 as a chronically ill person I agree doctors who look at how your issues interconnect and try to help you as a whole person are always 10× better than any other. DOs aren't a thing where I'm from but if they do become one theyre who I'd want to see.
Thank you! I've seen so many people poopoo DOs when they are actually MORE trained than MDs. I think people assume osteopath = DO or chiropractor = DO. There's also a growing wave of DOs learning mild, chiropractic manipulation to try and keep people from getting surgeries they don't need. I saw a great one in Richmond, Virginia. He was a neurosurgeon doing mostly spines, but realized so many patients hadn't exhausted all options. He was also seeing people come back within a few years with compounded problems stemming from the original issue and exacerbated by the surgery. He quit, redid a residency in osteopathic and physiatric medicine, and opened a practice for people trying to avoid surgery. He gave me a few years of really good function after several surgeons said I just had to live with the pain
Thank you!!! I work for the psych department in our local hospital. I googled the difference but this made it so much more clear!! My boss/department chair is a DO and this helps so much!!
Thank you so much. I have a DO and was concerned he was not equal to Medical Doctor and was looking to change Doctors. So they go through the exact same medical training, that is GREAT to hear.
I really do appreciate this video. As a nurse , I know DOs = MDs Also a DO can be an anesthesiologist, neurologist, plastic surgeon, gastroenterologist or cardiologist …
Thank you for helping to remove some of that stigma. I have had the glad experience of being greatly helped by a couple of D.O.s. Maybe the stigma helps to keep their egos in check, so a helpful unintended consequence.
❤️❤️❤️ *THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR SHARING!!! I think many people automatically read the MD as “Medical Doctor” and DO for “Doctor [of] Osteopathic” and automatically assume that Doctor specializes in bone related injuries/ailments…* *For this reason, I ALSO made that automatic assumption. THANKS AGAIN for clarifying Doc!* *Keep up the good work!* *You’re AWESOME!!!* 🥰 👍👍
My mom is a DO, and funny enough her initials were DO so I thought it was just her name abbreviated, but nope! Thank you for explaining it better than her, she just told me she can rub muscles out and fix my out of place neck 😂
Thank you for teaching me. I have learned a lot from you. I had never heard D.O. I’m going to look for a D.O. I need help with my joints. I love all the characters u present in ur great videos.
Ah, one of my seniors talked about this just yesterday - about how well do “osteopathic medicine” fellows do in the US. I was so confused since there’s no such thing here in India - and I straight up compared them to homeopathy and ayurveda fellows. But this seems to be different.
OMG.....thank you! This is a daily struggle.... patients are so uneducated on this! It's something people still factor this in to choosing a doctor and they shouldn't!
I wholeheartedly agree! My DO ObGyn literally saved my life. She is the best doctor I have ever had in my life! I had to move to a different state and had an NP for my annual exam and she is awesome too! Don’t judge a healthcare professional by their degree. Please! Evaluate them by their bedside manner because that is what matters ❤
ER DOC HERE EXACT SAME THING (NO BODY CARES) DO AND MD BOTH DO THE SAME JOB YOU MAY EVEN ARGUE THAT DO'S A LITTLE MORE TRAINING ON THE MUSCLESKELETAL SYSTEM. SAME YEARS OF TRAINING SAME OR SIMILAR EXAMS AND SAME MONEY. PEOPLE NEED TO KNWO THAT
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Yes! Not to be confused with a chiropractor, who typically are NOT medical doctors
My A&P professor was a Chiropractor (D.C.)
DCs are not medical doctors but are still wellness doctors. They're based on different ideologies at that point. (...)
(6 hour edit for anyone else wanting to reply, please realize that this is an epistemological take. If you want to make a counter claim, please do, but use epistemologically sound references. It's not helpful to just say "they're quacks" without expressing how that claim has been sourced. Thanks!)
... MD might be more rigorous in today's world but that's also because it's a Jack of all Medical Trades, especially including medicine use which is a big risk. Whereas DC is narrowly specialized by design
@@glumreaper8885 Unfortunately, chiropractic stuff is not based on evidenced based medicine.
Was about to ask this exact question
@@Vazcov1609 that's literally what I said. They're different ideologies. Evidence based medicine is one ideology and it has its two professional doctorate areas (MD and DO).
As a current second year Osteopathic medical student, I really do appreciate this video. Becoming a physician has always been my dream (surgery is the goal). Keep up the great content!
Good luck to you Andrew! I have worked with DOs nearly all my 40 years as a BSN in ICU,CCU,CVICU,ER,PACU,and NICU. My mother's cardiologist was board certified in Cardiology, Internal Medicine, Acupuncture, Homeopathy, and Naturopathy. He was fond of Chinese medicine as it has been practiced for over 5000 years. I'm for any medical education that promotes an open mind and integrates patient care.
Just for grins, start by assessing your patient's earlobes. If they are wrinkled to the point they are nearly folded in half it is an indicator of severe atherosclerotic heart disease. And if the lips have giant vertical wrinkles they were/are smokers.
Chinese doctors only get paid if the patient is cured!
@@lynnmaupin-simpson1215 so she was a physician and left for the money to be found in quackery
@@Legorreta.M.Dyou obviously didn't understand what she wrote, your comment makes you look ignorant
She said her mother's cardiologist was also a practitioner of Eastern medicine.
@@aprayingatheist2378 I did understand the comment and if you did too, you would know she probably didn't achieve both careers at the same time, now did she? Lynn also said the mother WAS X and WAS Y and WAS Z. Is there a clear indication of the three happening simultaneously? Because Germany was involved in WWI and was involved in WWII and was involved in the East and West German reunification. The use of the Word WAS does not indicate the three things happened at the same time. Learn that.
@@Legorreta.M.D no not her mother, her mother's cardiologist
I love that you cover and simply explain topics that people outside of healthcare might not understand.
I can state unequivocally that I was exceedingly lucky one day when while in my doctor's waiting room for what seemed like forever & barely able to inflate my lungs I was asked by the staff if I minded seeing his partner instead who wasn't an MD but a DO. I said I'd love to see him. I thought I had pneumonia or bronchitis because my breathing was so severely constricted. It turned out that I had dislocated all of my ribs from my spine and they were compressing my lungs. I swear it was like something you'd see on a TV show instead of actual life. I walked in barely able to draw a breath. The doctor made some quick movements that caused loud popping sounds from my back. I sat up and easily drew the deepest, full breath of air for the first time in days. I'm forever grateful for that day.
I’m a 3rd year DO student, sounds to me like you had a bunch of posterior ribs! Those can be pretty gnarly, I’m glad your physician was able to help you out :)
The best doctor I ever had was a DO. He was a truly great doctor and a very kind man. He delivered both of my children and I received the best care. I was so sad when he retired.
I’ve never even heard of DOs, but it actually sounds like a really good fit for me since I have a lot of nerve and muscle issues. Kinda sad no one ever told me about them
Definitely go talk to a DO and ask them to find you an OMT specialist. It completely changed my life with neck pain. Many MD’s don’t think about OMT because it was not part of their training.
You've actually probably seen a DO at some point in your life without even realizing it because they most commonly go into family practice. However, not every DO will go on to practice OMT after they finish medical school, so you will definitely want to look for someone who specializes in the treatment practice.
@@hahahano2013 heck, a friend of ours from college graduated with a DO, then went on to specialize in psychiatry. I don’t imagine he physically touches his patients very much, if at all.
@@hahahano2013yeah but only 50 percent of DOs chose to go into primary care while the other 50 percent chose to specialize and that gap is closing every year before they number was much more higher so maybe 10 years from now with the merger and everything most DOs won’t specifically focus on primary care and go to other medical specialty’s
Agree that it is the osteopathic that trips people up since osteopaths (which is usually used for practitioners who do only osteopathic manipulation) are decidedly NOT physicians. I remember having a conversation with an Australian who wondered how on earth Sean Conley managed to become the Physician to the President since he is a DO. They didn't realize that an osteopath and an osteopathic physician are very different in the US.
Well, in the US (the birthplace of osteopathy, which btw was created by a US physician in the first place), all osteopaths = osteopathic physicians. Non-physician osteopaths don't exist in the US. there's no such occupation or training program for non physician osteopaths. It's the existence of EUROPEAN osteopaths, who are NOT physicians, that stirs up confusion.
Thanks for making the distinction
Now I'm wondering... do countries that have non-physician osteopaths, also have chiropractors? Or do they have osteopaths _instead of_ chiropractors 🤔?
Standing ovation, Doc Schmidt! 👏👏👏 Your educational content is every bit as good as your comedy. Keep em coming!
I appreciate that!
I’m a second year DO student. People seem to forget that A.T. Still, the founder of the first osteopathic school, was actually an MD. Osteopathic schools teach all the same things as MD schools.
No he was not an MD. There was no such qualifications back then. This is a lie Kirksville keeps spreading. That's as true as pulsations in CSF :).
My DO is amazing. Not because he's a DO, that's just a bonus, but because he's an amazing doctor and really cares about his patients. Good doctors equal good doctors and any other training they get is just a bonus! Thank you Doc Schmidt!
Exactly!!!
I specifically went to a DO for OMT. I was having shoulder and back issues and after several session it cleared up. Not all DOs practice OMT after medical school. I highly recommend it.
I'm glad you did this. D.O's do get a bad rap -not a "real doctor" was even blasted by the news making it worse.
Problem I'd most DOs push alternative therapies, why be a DO when you can be an MD. Especially as the osteo part is not a sound treatment option
@@wadejohnson3051 This is wholly incorrect. There is plenty of research done to show osteopathic treatment.can alleviate many chronic conditions such as pain in a non-pharmacological manner or in combination with a pharmacologic agent. Please do your research.
DOs just have one extra tool they can use to help their patients that is completely based in science.
@@wadejohnson3051 I feel like you didn't listen to the video at all. A DO has the exact same curriculum as an MD with just one extra specialty of osteopathic manipulation. They have no training in holistic or natural medicine but in modern medicine, making them most likely to push modern medicine. Why not be a DO when you have the added benefit of extra curriculum under your belt, even if you end up not using or needing it.
@@mikalahill2531 The core idea on which he founded OM if founded in the notion that the bones and their connections represent a continuous energy that can heal the whole body. This notion is also completely wrong. The notion of a life force was always a placeholder of our own ignorance, and was discarded by medicine once we learned how biology actually works. No life force has ever been discovered by science, and there is no plausible mechanism for such a force. There is also no evidence tying the bones to healing in the way imagined by Still.
@@wadejohnson3051 OMM is helpful for many patients, and there is a good amount of research on several of the treatments. Even if they don’t cure cancer, they help the patient in many different ways. A.T. Still was an MD, never forget that important fact.
Thanks Doc Schmidt. I'm a DO and I sometimes can get a bad rep just for my title. Most people don't mind in the least however! I appreciate this video!
I'm so surprised to hear about stigma! A doctorate is a doctorate!!
@@eps3154 Unfortunately a lot of people don’t understand that concept. For example people love to hate on chiropractors by saying stuff like their not real medical doctors. Of course their not!!!! And most don’t act or say they are! They are DOCTORS of CHIROPRACTIC not medical doctors. Put their philosophies/practices aside they do earn the title doctor because they have a doctorate degree which took them 7-8 years of schooling to get. Just like medical doctors, they also have to go to undergrad for 4 years and chiropractic school for 3-4 years. Of course chiropractors don’t have residency or fellowship programs so mds do have much more training after medical school but they both went to school for many years. Just like a doctor of physical therapy, doctor of philosophy or another doctorate degree.
@@georgelopez9517yeah but the fact is DO is a legitimate medical doctor they just went to medical school at an osteopathic medical school rather then an allopathic medical school. It’s not like they have a doctorate like a chiropractor but aren’t considered medical doctors, you know what I mean ?
Don’t worry dude every year thst stigma will decrease screw them ass hole MDs who think they are better then a DO when a DO not only learns what they learn they also work and do much more then those MDs
I work with a lot of DOs and they’re really great. Love both my MDs and DOs.
Appreciate the shout out!
And most DO students still take Step 1 and 2, so they’re training for the same test and MD students.
Important note to remember though: This is not the case in every country.
This was super helpful as I was recently assigned to a PCP that happens to be a DO. I was a little sketched out at first.
Don’t be sketched out seeing MD or DO at the end of a doctors title it’s just a degree just know whatever medical school they went to is accredited and those degrees aren’t just handed out so I wouldn’t be to worried seeing a DO or MD
I believe Dr. Mike said he's a DO. He made a video on the topic as well.
As someone who has switched over to seeing a DO for my primary care doctor, it is mostly the same except I think that DOs often tend to think more holistically in terms of care especially for chronic illnesses. I think this is largely due to self selection into the programs, rather than the curriculum but it is still quite a big plus for someone who is dealing with chronic issues
I went to a DO school for a couple years before I had to make a career change. It is actually also built into the curriculum to have a more holistic approach to medicine. The way they train you to do patient interactions, the OMT, and the systems classes approach medicine that way.
@@hahahano2013 they 100% train MDs to approach the patient holistically lol
“To find health should be the object of the doctor. Anyone can find disease.” - A.T. Still, DO, Founder of Osteopathy Thank you for your summary = excellent. I worked for an Osteopathic Medical Board - and we answered this question daily. The public may not realize that a medical license (osteopathic or allopathic) is simply, “Physician and Surgeon” - w/o qualification for specialty. Of course good luck getting privileges (or credentialed) w/o Board Eligible/Certification. And most states require at least 36 months GME for licensure.
FUN FACT: In California, DOs could exchange their DO Degree for an MD.
In 2000, we (regulators) were discussing why the difference ? And would it hold or would osteopathy (OPP/OMT) morph into a specialty or something? Didn’t think so, but most states have combined licensing boards.
However, the single national match was a game changer in integrating MDs and DOs into more specialties.
Will the COMLEX fall to the USMLE? NBME vs NBOME?
From a licensure view - they are the same - all the powers and obligations as physicians. I found DOs to be as flakey in renewals and CMEs as many doctors. And equally likely to have problems licensing boards care about. Ironically - we never dealt with an issue that was strictly osteopathic.
Osteopathy history is interesting. Andrew Taylor Still’s life was really tragic- as a civil war physician- he felt powerless in treating illness that his kids died from. And he got to thinking more about how the whole body is impacted by DX. - and voila - a new school of medicine.
Fascinated by Ear Wax: In Stills book, “Philosophy of Osteopathy” (circa 1899), he talks about EAR WAX - 🧐 he devoted an entire chapter to the subject beginning, “That nature makes nothing in vain is an established truth …. I asked myself to try and get a reason of why nature had made and placed in a person's head so much fine machinery just to make a little ear-wax. If nothing is made in vain, what is that bitter stuff made for? It is always there, and more being made all the time.”
I thought that tidbit might be interesting to a “poop doctor” (the body doesn’t waste…) 😉
Keep the content coming.
Awesome post. I didn’t know half of this, and I’m in the profession
Bitter? D-did he taste it?
Ugh.. 😩
Thank you for this fascinating information. I always learn something new here.
I wonder whether a patient who suffers with spinal issues would find it best to have a D.O. as their PCP. I hadn't considered that before. 🤔
@@tinamckenna7514 I work with both DO and MD in a big primary care practice. There is literally no difference in their practice. Many new patients think that the DO will do the osteopathic manipulation which they don't and treat their bone issues better than an MD but they realize they recommended the same treatment. Some DO may do the osteopathic manipulation but a lot of them don't.
@@starfireonvf Thank you for this information. I truly appreciate it.
My PCP is a DO and she is fantastic! Thank you for giving this clarification.
When I first encountered a DO, I thought they were taught abroad because every DO I had contact with was trained in another country. I thought MD meant you were taught in the US. Boy was I ever wrong. It took me several years before I learned the difference
Wonderful explanation in regards to the subtle differences in our training. Our fellow DOs deserve the same respect as MDs. Stigma and understanding of these degrees need to change. Positive influences such as yourself are what will help bring about such a change. Good on you Doc Schmidt!
I feel that one of the main issues regarding stigma is that people focus on the merit of qualifying to get into the school, and don't focus on the fact that if that person managed to get to a position where they are practicing medicine, they are qualified regardless of where they went to school or what degree they got.
Eh, sorta. The bigger flag to me is if the went to one of the Caribbean medical schools since that tends to be last resort when you didn't have the grades/skills to get into medical program in the s
States/Canada.
@@FluffyWuffy17 Of course but I do think a doctor would not reach attending status at a hospital if they weren't capable, even if they were IMG or not.
Exactly, the relative easiness of entering DO or Caribbean schools is offset by the increased difficulty in USMLE and increased selectivity in residency and speciality programs. Should a graduate successfully obtain practicing license, then they are as qualified as any of their peers regardless of what type of schools they went to.
DO school is still very competitive. It is definitely more competitive than MD schools were in the 80s or 90s. Which is a good thing because we are getting more and more highly qualified doctors via DO and MD schools. Also most IMGs are extremely smart and I believe have better outcomes than US grads. I think part of these is because only the best of the best IMGs can get into residency in the US. You have IMGs with scores high enough for any specialty that can only get into primary care residency in the states.
@@BD-uo9po my husband is in DO school here in the United States. Trust me it was not easy to get in, it was still crazy competitive.
My psychiatrist is a DO and I absolutely love him - he really focuses on the totality of my health, and always asks lots of questions about my mental state and how I’m doing physically. I feel like he sees me as a real person instead of a collection of body parts.
This is how it should be!
Thank you for making this!! Much appreciated as an osteopathic medical student!
Good for you for being 100% honest and not manipulating the info in your favor. MD v DO stigma didn't magically happen it happens by MDs supporting the idea that a MD is superior and it has certainly helped them for a long time get a edge in many ways just based on a untrue perception
Thank you for simply explaining this for the normal people 👍🥰❣️
Thank you!! The decision to go/not go to a DO/MD has never figured into my decision (I care far more about how approachable, kind & caring of a person they are). But I've never really understood the distinction. So thanks!!
P.S. Love your videos!! 😊
So happy you have made this video. Two of my best doctors are DO and are actually some of the best loved staffs at their hospitals.
So now I watch a famous MD and DO. Shoutout to doctor mike
Thanks Doc, really appreciate you repping us DOs.
You are excellent. Teaching all of us the difference. I admire all the medical staff and hardworking people behind the scenes.Dr . Smicht you are helping those to understand who are not in the medical field . Awesome content. Thank you so very much. Kindest regards.
Loveeee my Osteopathic manipulation therapy docs ❤️ Such a life saver for my fibro and my EDS. She puts my shoulder back into place and does trigger point injections for me. Completely stopped my migraines.
I have always wondered this! Thank you!
I also love how fast you speak. No monotone for you lol
Thank you for a very succinct summary of this Doc Schmidt. I so greatly appreciate MD colleagues sticking up for us DOs!
Yes, Dr. S! Thank you for this considerate video on the topic!!
Thank you!!! I've always wondered about that!!
Hmm, I never thought about this or thought anyone thought they were different.. Thanks for the teaching always!!
What a balanced position on MDs & DOs! I know some great ER physicians who are DOs
I'm active duty Navy, I noticed we at one point didn't have an MD on our ship. Theres already a lack of trust with military doctors as is, but I noticed our SMO (Senior Medical Officer) had a "DO". I googled it. Anyone with a marble rolling in there brain can see that a DO is literally an MD + alternate medicine (Chiropractic's, etc). I value a DO more than I would an MD, because they have more tools to help you get well.
Especially being in the military, it helps to have someone who can treat your body aches or back pain with more than just medications. Thank you for making this video Doc. Anyone that tries to discredit a DO is probably a frequent user of Alternate Facebook Medicine.
Someone mentioned it earlier too about the type of schooling. The amount of education MDs and DOs go through is incredibly intense and more than 99% of the population could handle in two life times. Trully idgaf nor is it really my business where the Doctor seeing me got his degree from.
I agree. all the DOs Ive encountered pair "normal" western medicine treatment along with considering alternative medicine. they are great at seeing your whole body and how your issues connect rather than simply focusing on one part of your body at a time. I much prefer DOs, I get much better holistic treatment which really matters to me since I'm terminal and I always want MORE options not less. they keep me comfortable without just drugging me to a point I can't think. I'm not a fan of lots of alternative medicine, but there's also lots of good to come out of it when paired with western medicine.
@@livyann2143 as a chronically ill person I agree doctors who look at how your issues interconnect and try to help you as a whole person are always 10× better than any other. DOs aren't a thing where I'm from but if they do become one theyre who I'd want to see.
Sooooo much great information delivered rather quickly!
And they are credentialed the same exact way too.
Signed,
Your friendly provider enrollment credential-er. 😊
Thank you! I've seen so many people poopoo DOs when they are actually MORE trained than MDs. I think people assume osteopath = DO or chiropractor = DO.
There's also a growing wave of DOs learning mild, chiropractic manipulation to try and keep people from getting surgeries they don't need. I saw a great one in Richmond, Virginia. He was a neurosurgeon doing mostly spines, but realized so many patients hadn't exhausted all options. He was also seeing people come back within a few years with compounded problems stemming from the original issue and exacerbated by the surgery. He quit, redid a residency in osteopathic and physiatric medicine, and opened a practice for people trying to avoid surgery. He gave me a few years of really good function after several surgeons said I just had to live with the pain
I think if anything, we need to stop calling chiropractors "doctor." It is so misleading...
Amen amen!! I appreciate you, DocSchmidt! ❤
Thank you!!! I work for the psych department in our local hospital. I googled the difference but this made it so much more clear!! My boss/department chair is a DO and this helps so much!!
Thank you so much for this …3rd yr DO medstudent here 😁😁😁🤙🤙🤙
Thank you so much.
I have a DO and was concerned he was not equal to Medical Doctor and was looking to change Doctors.
So they go through the exact same medical training, that is GREAT to hear.
I love factual information. Subscribed. Thank you.
I’ve never heard of this! Thank you for the knowledge!
THANK YOU for educating your readers….!! 😳😳👍🏼🩴👣
I really do appreciate this video.
As a nurse , I know DOs = MDs
Also a DO can be an anesthesiologist, neurologist, plastic surgeon, gastroenterologist or cardiologist …
I always wondered but never new. Thanks.
As a practicing Osteopathic Physician in the US, thank you for posting this. This is succinct and highly accurate.
Never knew this, thanks!
Got it! DO is MD with some broscience skills. Thanks.
haha exactly
My family physician is a DO and I absolutely adore him.
Thank you for helping to remove some of that stigma. I have had the glad experience of being greatly helped by a couple of D.O.s. Maybe the stigma helps to keep their egos in check, so a helpful unintended consequence.
❤️❤️❤️ *THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR SHARING!!! I think many people automatically read the MD as “Medical Doctor” and DO for “Doctor [of] Osteopathic” and automatically assume that Doctor specializes in bone related injuries/ailments…*
*For this reason, I ALSO made that automatic assumption. THANKS AGAIN for clarifying Doc!*
*Keep up the good work!*
*You’re AWESOME!!!* 🥰 👍👍
I've had manipulations from DOs, it's amazing.
DOs also think of a whole person when considering diagnosis and treatment.
Good to know. Thank you for sharing. 👍🏾
Thank you, short and quick..easy to understand
Thank you! I have wondered about that for a long time.
Wow. I didn’t realize that! Thanks!
Thank you for explaining this!!
Thank you. That was very helpful information.
Good explanation.
My Neurologist is a DO and I love him.
Thank you!! This needed to be said
Thanks. I’ve wondered about this.
My mom is a DO, and funny enough her initials were DO so I thought it was just her name abbreviated, but nope! Thank you for explaining it better than her, she just told me she can rub muscles out and fix my out of place neck 😂
I didn’t know this! Thanks!
Thank you for teaching me.
I have learned a lot from you.
I had never heard D.O.
I’m going to look for a D.O. I need help with my joints.
I love all the characters u present in ur great videos.
Great break down! I love DOs!
Thank you. I’ve wanted to understand this.
Thanks....you made it short and simple
As a DO, thanks for accurately (and positively) clarifying 👍🏾
Ah, one of my seniors talked about this just yesterday - about how well do “osteopathic medicine” fellows do in the US. I was so confused since there’s no such thing here in India - and I straight up compared them to homeopathy and ayurveda fellows. But this seems to be different.
It’s very different. DOs and MDs are both medical doctors with prescription privileges
Thank you! Always wanted to know but have been too lazy to look it up.
Truth. Love how fast he talks
OMG.....thank you! This is a daily struggle.... patients are so uneducated on this! It's something people still factor this in to choosing a doctor and they shouldn't!
Thanks for the clarification 👍
Love this explanation!
Nicely done doctor.
SAY IT LOUDER FOR THE PEOPLE IN THE BACK 👏👏👏
I wholeheartedly agree! My DO ObGyn literally saved my life. She is the best doctor I have ever had in my life! I had to move to a different state and had an NP for my annual exam and she is awesome too! Don’t judge a healthcare professional by their degree. Please! Evaluate them by their bedside manner because that is what matters ❤
Thank you! Much appreciated.
Thank you very much for that information Doc
Thank you for this.
Thank you for debunking the idea that DOs are "less trained". My current provider is a DO, and he's great.
Awesome explanation. My niece is a pediatrician, and a DO. She rocks.
Based. Love you, buddy
Thank you, that explains it!
Thank you for this video!
ER DOC HERE EXACT SAME THING (NO BODY CARES) DO AND MD BOTH DO THE SAME JOB YOU MAY EVEN ARGUE THAT DO'S A LITTLE MORE TRAINING ON THE MUSCLESKELETAL SYSTEM. SAME YEARS OF TRAINING SAME OR SIMILAR EXAMS AND SAME MONEY. PEOPLE NEED TO KNWO THAT
Well explained. Thank you!
Thanks for the info.
Excellent explanation thank you!💜