Ultimate REL Review! T9X vs 1003 MK2, vs Classic 98 vs S510!!
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REL 1003 MK2: • Best small subwoofer o...
REL T9X: • REL T9X Subwoofer Revi...
REL T9X Red: • Heritage & Precision! ...
REL Classic 98: • Texture & Tone. Rel C...
REL S510: • Unrelenting Fidelity. ... 
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That's how to do a side by side comp. Well done Nemo!
I enjoy watching your subwoofer comparisions so much. Your 8" subwoofer comparision long ago was what initially got me hooked to your channel. Just love talking about subwoofers, period.
wow! I remember making that video, it was the asw608, bravus 8d, and SE8!
@@NemoPropaganda hi Nemo. There is new kid in the block. Can you do comparison video of s510, rel classic 99 and rel ht1205 mk2.
@@PremKumar-vt1hq maybe in the future, I've covered a lot of REL this year already, I have to give some attention to other brands also :)
You're my go to standard for all things subwoofer review my friend. Also enjoy your other audiophile reviews of different components. Always appreciate your valuable insight and information.
glad you find them helpful!
Thank you ever so much for your time and work Nemo,, 👍🙏👍
This is what I needed! Excellent short sendoff!
Fantastic video as usual 🙏🏻 I'm a huge fan of Rel Subs imo i think they are the best subs for music and blending ❤
Wow, nice and well done comparison 👍
Great video idea!
The older version of REL HT 1508 15" (far left) sounds amazing and shakes my whole apartment and chest with ease, it's fast and easy to listen to. Haven't heard that many expensive subs but this blew me away. I wanna say it sounds transparent in music but it's the wrong word, kinda invisible, it's just the air moving and you don't "hear" where it comes from, I have it at 40hz, speakers handle 30. In movies the 3 seat sofa shakes in the low-low's, kinda adds to the effect like explosions, engines... The new version is even stronger and can take more beating. Worth every penny!
I have a pair of 1205’s and a 1510. It’s in a dual purpose system, music and ht. I’m very happy with them.
Exactly what I was looking for, concise and to the point. 10/10 video!
I actually emailed REL and asked what sub to use with the Bowers & Wilkins 606 S3 (€1K) for my room that's 22m² (72ft²) and they said the T/5x or a pair of them.
I then asked what if I had the KEF R3 Meta (€2.2Κ)? And they said because the KEF R series is in a completely different league than the B&W, the s/510 would suit them better for sure.
I'd say the R3 Meta can go either way depending on the room and what its connected to, in an ideal setup with higher end amps and a bigger room S510 for sure! If you got a little room like most R3 Meta customers, figure something like 10x12 I think a T9X makes more sense.
Wow ! What a review! Enjoyed listening to it...Thanks !!!
Love your reviews bro!
Good one
ITS FINALLY HERE! THANK YOU MY GUY!!!!
I should jump on the red t9 like a week ago. But I keep thinking after a while I will want the perfection. It is driving me crazy because I could save $3000 and settle for almost as good. And I am building a brand new stereo system, the best I ever had. It is a very serious decision because I can't waot too long on the red. Great video
yeah I hear ya, it's a tough decision. I'm guessing you're torn between the T9X or a 1003 MK2? Best advice I can give you is this, if you have the money and it's not gonna break the bank go for the T9X, but if the cost is going to cause stress or any financial strain don't do it. Buying stuff is supposed to be fun so if the price causes financial strain then it won't be fun and only cause stress. Hope that helps.
Oooh haven't heard the HT/10 yet but that could be the perfect upgrade to my office 2.1 system. The HT/12 is awesome, and as you called the T/9x, "sublime".
yup! 1003 is great!!!
I'd almost remind you of the T5X but I know your musical taste and for sure you will prefer the 1003 MK2, it conveys the double bass VERY nicely!!
Very clear, love your way of doing things!
I know there are a lot of brands, but word has come to me that Sonus Faber has some engineers that came from REL to design their subwoofers. I would really like to know how their Gravis I and Gravis II sound like coming from your stand of view.
They also look stunning and offer wooden finishes on their subs. Any chance you might reach out to them and review them?
I don't know anything about that but Sonus Faber is a giant company and usually giant companies want to work with giant reviewers but maybe one day :)
You’re a giant reviewer in my book ;) @@NemoPropaganda
I know it's not something you would normally review, but is there any chance you could attempt to get an integrated/power amplifier from Sparkler Audio? They're low-watt amplifiers, but I'd love to see you review their products.
I think that's way too niche of a brand for my small channel :)
I love your subwoofer reviews also. Was wondering if you have ever reviewed the HSU Research subwoofers. Would love to get your opinion! This may be a good time as they have recently introduced a new flagship model. Dr Hsu, the designer, 😢has a PHD in engineering from MIT. I have owned one of their better subs for years and have been really impressed with their value for the money. Also I will note their customer experience and technical support has been outstanding.
no, I don't think they like my content, I've tried to contact them a few times but never got a reply, I saw the owner at Axpona and gave him my business card, balls 100% in their court at this point.
I love the sound performance of my red REL TX9i but hate rear controls and the power switch being so low down on the unit. I wish all subs had controls on a hidden front panel or on top rear so we don't have to drastically maneuver our bodies to make adjustments.
REL actually had front controls on subs a long time ago, it certainly can be more convenient but you shouldn't need to make any adjustments once it's setup well unless you're moving stuff around constantly or changing gear up.
Big fan of urs from India and my buying decision is greatly influenced by u !!! Have u come across SDSi subwoofers they offer 8 inch to 15 inch sub. Looking at 8 inch one for my living room 120 square feet or just go with rel ht1003? Planning to integrate with Monitor audio silver 250 and silver 100 mainly for TV watching
I have not heard of that brand but If they offerred me a review sample I think I would decline the offer. Def stick with the 1003 idea.
@@NemoPropaganda thanks a ton... Will go with REL 1003
Also mate I am struck between MA silver 50, 100 and 200? I am inclined towards 100 cos of ur review of bronze 100. Unfortunately I can't listen to all of these.
@@venkibe035 Hi bro, since all 3 speakers are made by the same company have you tried contact MA to see what they say? Sometimes different sized speakers can sound very different like emotiva b1+ and b2+ or triangle BR02 and BR03. First I think you have to decide if you want towers or bookys. If you're having a hard time deciding try to consider your room aesthetics and what look you're going for.
@@NemoPropaganda have written to MA.. i specifically called out ur channel as the influencer !!
Hi, how do you think about svs pb2000 and mbws ms-12?
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I just have room for one sub in my second system. Can't connect high level since the speakers are active. I already tried the svs mini.. its ok.but I prefer speed and refinement. So.. I was thinking Kef kc62. With only needing one sub.. under the conditions of what I have.. would you choose the rel t9x or kef kc62?
Very different subs, the KC62 doesn't have the speed & refinement of the T9X (very few subs do) but it has tons of extension as long as you keep the volume reasonable. The T9X doesn't have the extension fo the KC62 but has more bass fidelity overall.
@NemoPropaganda rel it is then :)
I do have a rel ht1003 sitting around. it's not the newer version. just wish they came in white.
Hi... stupid question...but here we go...i have r3 meta and atoll in200 which has nice mids and highs but i am missing the bass. I am considering subwoofer but due to the room size/shape I wonder if the woofer should be firing to the sweet spot or i could put the bass to the side of one of the speaker and the woofer could fire to the other speaker. I just dont have a good line of sight between the place i would like to put the subwoofer ....will appreciate your thoughts...
hop in the free discord where you can post pics of your room and we'll try and help you the best we can.
Nemo, do you think a regular non-audiophile could hear and enjoy the difference in sound quality between the S510, t9x, and classic? Or are these differences so small that you have to be an enthusiast to consistently notice the difference without trying?
Thanks and keep up the great reviews!
yes, I have demo'd subs for non-audiophile friends many times, I say nothing and just ask their opinion, the funny thing is they even use the same discriptors we use. It's a very interesting thing.
Hi, Which is better for music - down firing T5x or front firing T7x? Any difference in sound character between the two? Thanks in advance
The T7x is better for music. Just watch the review on the channel that he has already done on it.
Both are great but between the 2 the T7X for sure.
@@NemoPropaganda Thank you very much
I first got a T7/i for music only. A then decided to get another one, but thought I would buy the cheaper 1003 MKII. And that was a mistake! There is really no comparison for me to be honest. I regret it a lot. I could have saved up a bit more and get another music sub too. The flexibility of the driver in T7/i... its qucikness is miles away from 1003.
I have not heard the old 7i but I'm surprised you dislike the 1003 MK2 so much, in my room I was able to blend a T7X and 1003 MK2 in L&R stereo perfectly!
did you use RCA for both or high level on the 7i and rca on the 1003 mk2?
I found why are my t5x slow and bloated, I opened them and found that driver and power supply are connected with fast connectors that you can easly move with the finger (poor connection more resistance)...I know I lost my warranty but I removed them and soldered wire directly..man that sub is now very very responsive and tight...maybe thats the production problem there but I dont care...2x t5x for my stereo in 20m2 room are realy good enough...one other thing is that if you dont have carpet underneath, I recommend to use small silicon hemisphere pads...the sub will lift a little bit but the bass is gonna be even more precise
@@NemoPropaganda The 1003 is hooked up with RCA only and the 7i is hooked up by both RCA to the LFE and Hi Level, like REL recommends. I own a Yamaha RN800A. I was just told it's a mistake, that Yamaha doesn't have a real LFE, that it's just low input. So I'm confused how to connect the 7i. Hi input only?
Ho delle proac studio 140 mk1, risposta in frequenza 25hz 30khz, ha senso un subwoofer come il t9x? Non rischio di sovrapporre i bassi visto che i diffusori scendono già in basso? 100% musica stanza d ascolto 18 mq
I'm not sure, I have not heard that speaker, try emailing REL and see what they say. They are very good at helping customers choose the right subwoofer.
I have recently bought ht1205mkii, but have really problems to implement it to my home theatre. Over 100hz, it has a huge drop off, I also measured directly in front of the subwoofer, there it is better, but still dropping down. But then tried many positions, always the same, Dirac was able to maximum identify 86hz as usable frequency, meaning crossover should actually be 43hz, but this is not possible for my speakers.
My svs sb 1000 is doing that way better, 236hz Dirac possible, set to 100hz crossover then. The svs sounds in my room also faster and dryer, but it misses the power and bass Fundament from the rel.
Anways I send it back, makes no sense to me. Maybe trying a bigger svs or maybe tx series, what do you mean?
that's an extremely high crossover point, I generally don't recommend people run their crossover too much above 50hz, north of 100hz is not a frequency range for subwoofers.
@@NemoPropaganda really? maybe on the higher side, but not that high like you wrote. usually 80hz is the THX standard crossover. and you always have to see the whole system. If you have lets say B&W 702 floor standing speakers with 46hz at +3db and 28hz at -6db - you can easily choose any crossover point, which perfectly fits with subwoofer and room modes. but many people will have speakers with 50-70hz at +3db, and then it is not as easy anymore. you cannot cut off the subwoofer at 50hz and let the speakers take over from 70hz. you need good transition, and based on my listening experience and also with many Dirac measurements done, for my speakers (62hz at +3db) it sounds best for home theather, when having the crossover at 100hz for the subwoofer, and 80hz for the speakers. it gives me a good transition, you never notice if the sub or the speaker is doing the work, and you have good powerfull punch also at 100hz.
if I do the crossover below that, the zone from 80-120hz has too less punch, it sounds like a whole in that transition zone.
and usually the "rule" is, cut off at minimum 1 octave below/above the maximum possible measured signal from speaker/sub. meaning if Dirac measured that your speaker is able to play until 40hz (there then it rapidly falls down) you can have crossovr at 80hz. and if the subwoofer is possible till 200hz, you can have 100hz crossover. these both points are relevant for the possible "crossover window" the wider the window, the better you can choose the crossover point, the narrow it is (like in my case with just 86hz) the less options you have, and the more you have to set crossover based on your speaker skills, and not based on usefull accoustic concecpts etc.
I only can repeat myself, the whole conecpt sounds far better with SVS because it can easily reach higher frequencies
@@LukasZ92. sounds like you are doing theater, I'm not really into that, my YT channel is for 2ch music, I'm happy you have found a process that works for you, theater is not my area of expertise.
@@NemoPropaganda ah ok therefore the misunderstanding :D yes it is about theater in my case, and actually the REL HT series is specially made for that, and that is why I'm even more wondering why it has that cut off at 100hz. for music of course it is total different, subwoofer is really just an extension to the very low frequencies, but not in home theatre. unfortunately, I will send the REL back to the retailer... is useless for me..
but another thing, which you please could also check: if I set the crossover at the REL iteslf to 30hz, and the speakers in the AVR to 200hz (meaning that there is a big gap) and playing music, there is still lot of bass coming from the REL, but doesnt sound accurate. If i do the same for the SVS, no bass at all (exactly what I expected, because usually music isn't playing that extremly deep) - the SVS must be turned to at least 60-70hz to hear any bass (not because of the sub, becuase of the music) and the wider I turn it up the more bass was there (because like wrote, speakers for testing reasons set to 200hz). at the REL, there was also a difference when turning crossover higher, more punchy more direct etc. but that gap to 200hz never has been closed fully unlike for the SVS
Which one is best for home theatre?
HT 1003 MK2.
If you had to choose between Rythmik and Rel for a music only system which would you choose?
This is a very overly general question but I own multiple products from both brands.
@@NemoPropagandaMakes me happy Nemo didn’t say REL right away. Feels like an affirmation that I made a good choice with my Rythmik and that it isn’t an easy question to answer which says a lot. Thanks again, Nemo.
Shawn I own Rythmik because of Nemo’s review but I think as you go up to the s510 you surpass anything Rythmik has to offer including the F12SE from a fidelity perspective. The fvx12 is going to give you a great combo of fidelity and excursion. Just depends on what you want. The rel products look way better but imo the rythmik is the better value
I’ve owned two models from each company. Ended up preferring Rel mostly because of aesthetics TBH.
But functionality wise, the Rythmiks dig deeper, are more adjustable (lots of settings on the plate amp) and have better bang for the buck. That said, the rels just seem to work without finicky setup. Just drop them in and go.
With either brand you are in great shape.
@@sean_heisler you can't go wrong with either option!
If you can splurge the cash…go for the s510…I have 2 pairs of both the s510 and the t9i (older model of the t9x)…so I swear by rels
My only wish is that they'd offer the first HT line subs again for a discount, and just make them look like the speedwoofers.
20.7s/2-Rel Carbon Specials
JLA cr-1 active crossover
Shunyata Python xlr cables
Coda Ts v3 800w@4ohms
W4S 10th edition DAC2V2SE
Shunyata Denali 6000s v2 20A
Shunyata Alpha XC 2 meter
Kimber Select KS6063 2.5m
2/Kimber Carbon XLR'S .75m
Bluesound Node N130 (optical)
why do you keep listing your setup in my comments section without any context??