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History Teacher Reacts to Drew Durnil's World Empires Tier List
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- Опубликовано: 10 ноя 2022
- Drew Durnil put together a tier list of world empires. What will Mr. Terry think? Will there be drama???
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Bit late for this but I'll say it anyway. Sad to hear a history teacher repeating the lies about Spanish Empire being genocidal etc. Yet again there is no surprise since it was the British who spread that tale in the first place. You might want to deepen in the way both Empires aproached their taking of the New World.
I am sorry but how the hell did you get the british into it. The genocide done by the spanish empire was ineed done by the spanish empire, a lot caused by western disease and if that was planned or intentional or wanted is debatable as far as I know but the spanish still murdered a LOT of people. This is denying Genocide and anything but ok
Sigurd,
Thanks for responding. Historically, empires have highlighted the crimes of others to draw attention away from their own actions. However, just because an empire speaks hyperbolically about the actions of another, it doesn't mean those actions never happened. That's basically a fallacy. It may hurt "credibility", but doesn't negate the argument. As for the Spanish actions, be sure to study the primary sources about the treatment of Native Americans. One famous example to get started with is from Bartolomé de Las Casas. After that, there are many other accounts you can find. Thanks for watching!
@@MrTerry Yes, we can agree on that, and also no country nor Empire has its hands clean, that's a fact. I'll be sure to read your recommendation, and if you find time for it please read "América Hispánica" from Borja Cardelús. And thanks for replaying! Take care
@@MrTerryThe spanish empire wasn't perfect and they did a lot of things that nowadays are we see them as terrible but if u compare what they were doing with the standars of the time I think they were one of the best. Of all the gold they got from the colonies only one parte went to Spain and a lot of the gold was used to invest in universities or churchs. The spanish empire also ended with the religious sacrifices. In the American continent conquered by Spain there were no mass killings. The demographic catastrophe suffered by the native population after 1492 was due to the great mortality caused by the contagion of diseases brought by the Spanish. And the spanish empire did things like enable the mixed weddings in 1503 in the USA they aprobe the mixed weddings in 1967.
If you end up reading it let me know you thoughts. I also have studied quite a lot about the Spanish Empire, from several sources (Spanish as well as English and Portuguese sources) and if you compare the Spanish to most of the era they were one of the best since all the wealth they got from the colonies were re-distributed back to the colonies, as a matter of fact for a long time Mexico city had a better standard of living compared to Madrid or Toledo under the empire.@@sigurdsd
We all know the greatest world empire is Principality of Sealand
well, I do agree
The disrespect…
As a lord of the Principality of Sealand, I agree
They make NFTs now, truly the fall of an empire
Long live the Empire!!!
It's time for Mr Terry to make an empire tier list like the rest of the cool kids
Yes I agree ☝️
I’m a cool kid?
@@MrTerry WE NEED THIS!!! PLS DO IT
@@MrTerry You've always been a cool kid
@@MrTerry Always
Mr terry and drew durnil are a chaotic duo
Is that a good thing?
@@MrTerry yes yes it is a good thing
@@MrTerry It's an amazing thing, I am absolutely loving the content.
@@MrTerry from an entertainment perspective, very much so... but also the occasional educational thing, also yes... its not a dry essay-like discussion between 2 people.
@@MrTerry so what about maurya empire
I'm confused why there's even a "Viking Empire" on the list. The closest thing they had to any kind of central power was the Danelaw, but its leadership was constantly contested. You could maybe group in the Normans, but that would be reaching in my opinion.
The... North Sea Empire... What do you mean?
@@EnemyAtom65 Even if you are counting the North Sea Empire, during the 30 years it was around, it was barely united, with the Norse having to reconquer England after the death of each king. Therefore, you could say the North Sea Empire really only lasted around 9 or 10 years, since when it was divided, it became the individual kingdoms of England, Norway, and Denmark. Defs bottom tier Empire.
@@JustALemurGuy i agree, but you could count it for sure. I mean, we have the Holy Roman Empire on the original list. Even though the North Sea Empire was a disorganized mess only really held together by Cnut, it was for sure more centralized than the HRE. We are also counting "Empires" like Belgium or facist Italy and the North Sea Empire seems a lot more Empire than thoose two.
Judging by the map in the tier list (not the one added in editing) I think it was supposed to be Denmark.
The Normans didn't have much remaining in common with the vikings though (culture, ancestry...), unless you're talking about Rollo's age, that may have been the case for the elite Normans then (even then, not really the common Norman, the population).
If you watch more of Drew's videos, consider each of the entries on his list as a player from Civilization. More than likely how he rated them.
that explains a lot.
and is a bad sign for how "well" made Civilisation is.
@@Ugly_German_Truths and eu4.
@@Ugly_German_Truths well then the german empire should be in the SS tier since in civ 6 they are pretty much the strongest or one of the strongest civs.
@@sirjackify idk man...germany and those two letters don't mix well
@@mythical2551 they mix so well we even made an own letter for it ;)
Imagine having this as your history teacher on highschool, would truly be an amazing one.
Unfortunately teachers aren't allowed to just do as they please (however having passionate teacher is always way better), in most countries they have to follow some kind of programs and teach about some points of history, whether they are deemed interesting or important by them or students, or not. And also in most countries they aren't paid that great, so full of passion teachers are becoming rarer and rarer sadly.
I think that history teachers are *generally* very passionate and exciting compared to other teachers such as him
The Spanish empire should have been higher, at least one tier or two. They were as influential or even more than the British and putting them along side the French and _American_ “empires” is really lame. Also those genocides are mostly wizard histories from the English, they were the most colonizers and killers of the natives.
Thats when I stoped the video, a "history teacher" who inmediatly calls genocides, has he seen the ethnicity of places where Spain was?
Yeah, the "history teacher" calling the spanish empire genocidal to natives was disappointing
Absoluty, the audacity this man speaks is another level
Most mixed and well integrated empire ever
fr, i mean, you cannot call the spanish empire genocides while 4 example in the US the native population is around 2% of its entire population.
the spanish empire was the first empire that allowed the marriage between native americans and spaniards and banned the slavery with the Burgos Laws signed in 1512 by the Catholics Monarchs.
P.S: i am not saying the spanish kingdom was good overall im just denying that black legend.
@@guille3017 ikr, they even promoted the marriage with the natives, they registered their languages, even the English were registered after a lot of native languages, they even made the first global vaccine campaign in the Americas cos they knew they bring plagues when they arrived and they DID SOMETHING about it, they took 1/5 part of the taxes for the peninsula and the rest were invested in colleges, hospitals in overall the infraestructure of the current metropolis of nowadays. This man is biased AF
Spanish empire = the original empire in which the sun never sets. Also casually forgets the british empire
Okay so Rome and Mongolia definitely deserve to be top tier but so does the British and Spanish Empires because of how vastly influentials those Empires are.
the spanish?
nah, b tier at best, their organization was awful and everything that happened to them was basic luck, just like the american empire.
their biggest accomplishment was nerfing portugal when they became the iberean union
@@dinamosflams to respond to your points that you made. The Spanish Empire was not poorly organized in fact Spain had to find new ways in organization to maintain and continue their expansion in their colonies. Spain dominated European politics for centuries and it ended only because they had to face coalitions of enemies. The level of control and organization the Spanish had over it's colonies is why it lasted for almost 500 years, which is longer than the Mongol Empire and the British Empire. Now for the second Point "luck" is subjective, because you can say anything was just luck. You could say Mongolia was lucky that when it started to expand China was going through one of it's Civil Wars and they capitalized on a weakened China. You can say the Mongolia was lucky that many of the states on the Eurasian step were disorganizing and couldn't really resist a full on invasion. You know you can say those things but you don't just stumble on to becoming one of the largest empires in history by sheer luck. You have to have the right people, in the right place, at the right time with skills and intuition to capitalize on a situation. Plus I think you're really discounting the accomplishments the Spanish Empire achieve during its lifetime. For starter Spain had the first true Global Empire and were the first ones to basically usher in the age of Imperialism.While you can argue that the Portuguese probably deserve the recognition of being the first one to achieve these goals, the way the Spanish did it became the standard on how future colonial empires will organize their colonies and the idea of The Prestige of subjugating and incorporating different states into their colonies was not done by the Portuguese but by the Spanish. At the height of its power in the Spanish golden age Spain had a colony at every region of the world, they were the first ones to achieve the saying that "the Sun never set on the Spanish Empire" it was only later that the British took that same when their empire overshadowed the Spanish. But yeah that's just a few things but I just really think you're undercutting the Spanish and the influence they had in shaping the world that we know.
It's very unAmerican to not think of the biggest two empire that came to our shores either Jamestown or Mexico City,
@@reygonzalez4719 No, he's right, don't forget the conquistadors (e.g. Pizarro and Cortez), were essentially loose cannons, and Mavericks because they were not following orders.Cortez was not even supposed to be the conquistador that was allowed to travel, he was supposed to be replaced at the last-minute and he imprisoned the conquistador who came to capture him(When having already messed things up, in Mexico).
Then the gold proceeds, were not distributed properly into the Spanish empire to generate more revenue and economic growth.Also, there was the butt hurt Spanish King sending the Armada twice, only to get it ass-kicked by the smaller British fleet, at the time and the British weather.They were in decline from all this, whilst the French and British empires, leaders, learnt from their mistakes, became more Laissez-faire, and relaxed in religious tolerance
There was a desperation to the Spanish empire, which rivalled the fragility of their "too" speedy rise to prominence, as a nationstate. They needed savvy and wise rulers, to properly organise and show maturity with the rapidity of their rise, and they didn't have them. Many of Their Fleet were even allowed to be Boarded and robbed, without consequence (by their king), by the Dutch, British and French loose cannon pirates, on the seas (e.g. Francis Drake, Sir Walter Riley, et cetera)
@@dinamosflams asi es como se que no tienes ni idea de historia. You know nothing about history.
Modern legal system was literally made by Romans. It just evolved in 2 different directions: British and Continental (Continental further divided into German and French). And now it's worldwide (Separated into these 2 cathegories, obviously with differences between 2 countries of the same system). So yeah, their influence was crazy.
@@Tom-nj1ib
Not really. Germanic legal system was more about making peace between families that were at conflict, and it also didn't differentiate between commiting crime willingly and unwillingly/by accident. Pretty much all germanic and non-Germanic invaders eithet adopted Roman system (Franks for example) or mixed Roman and Germanic laws (Visigoths for example). I know that Longobards sticked to their old traditions despite conquering Italy, but I'm pretty sure they were the only exception and Anglos did the first or second thing. Especially since most of the time invaders didn't even bother to change the law and let the conquered population keep doing what they were already doing, leading to instances where all the way into 18th century common people followed an only slightly modified Roman law.
Agreed 100% !!
@@starhalv2427Iceland is literally the oldest for it though… must’ve missed Roman Iceland I guess
@@XXXTENTAClON227
What are you talking about?
Greece made inventions romans copied them
13:57
The only neighbouring country to France that accomplish more than France in empire is spain, and that was around 1700 where France was stronger than spain.
They're still stronger than Spain btw
@@goombagang5080yes
Britain should have been SS tier. But Persia not being atleast S tier really got me irritated, cause they are still influencing the world today like Rome does.
The Persian Empire doesnt have any influence on the world today but dude, literally 50% of the world lived in the Persian Empire. That alone makes them S tier, even if they dont matter anymore to modern day.
@@fawkeweno influence??? Declaration of human rights? Freeing the slaves, jews and captive lands???? Religion and believe tolerance???? Creating courts and laws??? Creating school and education? Best engineering in that era???
@Arma-n Everything he said. Also alot of Burecratic principles the Romans adopted from them to use themselves that we use today.
@@Arma-n unfortunately, none of that seemed to have lasted. While it should be weighed towards the Persian Empire being great it sadly didn’t change much long term.
While the Holy Roman Empire indeed didn't do being an "empire" very well, due to lack of cohesion, it still needs to be way higher up. The cultural and economic importance in Europe was significant, especially if we also look at the influence of the Hanseatic League. All things considered, the HRR probably had more impact on its time than some other empires, which were big and more centralized, but kind of... just there and not doing much else.
Was just about to write something along these lines. The HRE lasted 1,000 years and for most of its time was a economic and military powerhouse despite its political shenanigan's in its later half. Most medieval depictions of Europe are based on the HRE so its lasting legacy shouldn't be taken lightly. The HRE for the most part never gets its fair credit, all people look at its the surface level of "Not holy, Roman or Empire" and the internal borders and that's it. The HRE really get done dirty most of the time.
Yea, especially since the map of the HRE that Drew is using is very early HRE. And at that point they were just as centralized as any other medieval state
@Crimson_Red972 probably more so considering that the french monarchy really only controlled the area around paris and had barely any controll over anything else. The only european polity that rivaled the HRE in terms of centralized power in the 10th and early 11th century was normandy and that was a comparatively small duchy which is way easier to controll than a very big (for the time) multiethnic (lets not forget that the HRE at that time owned the northern half of italy and exerted a lot of control over its slavic neighbors in the east) empire like the HRE
On a good day the Holy Roman Empire dominated Europe from the middle
@@thewingedserpent5823i mean, it's hard to called HRE in 10th century as centralised. I mean saxon dynasty was just a dynasty without a state. Emperor didn't have much of the land himself. It was basically relying on clients.
When Drew told that Abbasid Empire was a prequel to Ottoman Empire I felt phsical pain as a Turk
Yeah 😭 you Turks saved us from them! Farsi wouldve died if the abbasid empire survived
nah the german empire wasn't lame, they weren't really big but they were really strong. and austrian empire wasn't lame as well they had a lot of influence in europe
Austrian Empire had basically no influence compared to the rest of the great powers
@@Crimson_Red972I think he is talking about the Habsburgs who came really close to uniting Europe under one massive inbread family, which doesn't sound as impressive as it actually was.
@@Crimson_Red972Thats just not true. Look at the Congress of Vienna.
@@moinsenmittag8683yes very close, the victory for the german side in ww1 was actually pretty close, but the world would be a lot different now
@@Leon-gr2ooyup, if only their alies didn't suck so much or they had more allies like the italians for example, germany could have won ww1
I am Spanish and I would like to comment on something as a lover of Spanish history and you mention that the Spanish empire produced atrocities, jenocide and slavery...
1. Spain thanks to The New Laws of 1542 prohibited the slavery of any Native American with the death penalty for landowners who refused, but allowed the purchase of African slaves, the main slave traders were the Portuguese and then the English who did have African colonies.
2. The Spanish inquisition was a copy of the French one that had already existed for some centuries and was implemented by the Catholic kings, in America it was forbidden for the inquisition to judge the natives (it is worth mentioning that in a single night the French inquisition died more people than the Spanish in 350 years of history)
3: Genocides? I really don't know what you mean, I guess in America, I'll just say look at the United States and analyze its population and then look at the Spanish-American countries and you can see where there really was a true genocide.
Most of these thoughts about the Spanish empire are due to the Spanish black legend, a set of lies created to discredit the empire, many of these lies were created in the 30 years war due to the different wars between Catholics and Protestants.
Menos mal que alguien lo dice 🤝🏻
And its not like the native americans they genocided didnt genoicde each other. The aztecs is probably the most evil empire of all time.
Que esperas de un estadounidense xD Allí la leyenda negra está a la orden del día
Agreed, f anglocentrics, anyway they have they days numbered, with each day more ppl are speaking spanish in USA ^^
Que van a saber ellos si les preguntas donde esta Andorra y te contestan Africa xd
Drew's tier list nicely shows how little we're (in general, considering most of Europe, NA and Australia, ofc it differs a bit from one country to another) teached about some of those (Persian empire for example) and also that sometimes when you look at map some of those seems bigger or smaller than they were.
my man rated Persia A, I'd argue it should be at SS
@@jeremy2948 Hell nah, Persia is not even close on empires like Rome or the British. A is good and maybe even S but not at the top
@@technine967 The Persians were the first to unite the entire known world at the time. They laid down a foundation of bureaucracy, a roads network, economic systems and governance that Alexander later copied and adapted, which Rome ultimately benefitted from. I'm as big a Rome fan as it gets, but Persia is highly overlooked. The feats achieved by Cyrus would receive the praise it deserves if it weren't for Alexander. I'd read further into the pre Achaemenid Persia near-east if I were you. If you have, then I agree to disagree. "King of Kings" by Dan Carlin is a fantastic podcast of the subject (along with most of his podcasts, highly recommend). (Note that Persia was the biggest, most populated and most diverse Empire in history at the time.)
I'd argue the British Empire should be lower than both Rome and Persia which should be equal.
@@jeremy2948 I wouldn't take Drew's list too seriously. He underrated every old empire except Rome. I mean he put Egypt and China on the same low tier as Italy and Austria-Hungary.
@@jeremy2948 When did they unite the known world. Last time I checked they knew about India and greece yet failed in all of their invasions.
To summarize: drew made a list. Terry's reaction: OOOOOF
Nah, he’s pretty spot on
He forgot the titans of XV and XVI centuries, Portugal and Spanish Empire
ngl as a german I have very mixed feelings on the SS tier, just sounds a lot worse in our language considering our history
S+ wäre besser gewesen
Think of it like the ß-tier. Now it's family friendly in Germany.
what a classic german response, but in all seriousness, Germans as a whole including Austrians need to get over their past. the Mongols, the Japanese, and most Americans have gotten over the horrible things in their nation's past. Yes, the nazis were horrific, But hyper-focusing on 6 years of horror compared to the millennia of revolutionary culture, science, ideology, and victorious wars, I think is just masochistic at this point.
@@SamFromItalia Japan didn’t more so get over it, but rather buried their dark history
@@acecard999 ENGLISH
Charles V’s empire would be interesting, its a combo of the HRE , early spanish empire and Burgundy as well as parts of Italy
Imperial Japan should’ve been lower. I would give the French empire under Napoleon an S tier ranking. I also think these tier list should rank by how interesting these empires are to study as well as power and influence
But that's pointless.
I mean I'd rather study the Dutch, then the Napoleon, because I simply find the latter less intresting. In fact the most interesting thing about Napoleon is the aftermath of his colapse. You may thimk differently, but it cannot be measured. Influence can be to some extend. Feeling are not.
Yeah Japan occupying large areas of east asia for a few years is not much compared to others in the list. That's not empire building just an invasion force.
Terry cmon, don't pull the Black Legend on me like that for the Spanish Empire...
Yes, please do more Drew content! You are both amazing creators and I think could have a lot of fun interacting with each other this way😊
"If it's not exactly what I think, we're going to have drama"
Internet be like:
I also think Ottoman Empire should be a tier or so higher. I might be wrong but they're pretty high at one of the long-lasted empires in history, right? Around 600-ish years or so?
I would put france and British empire in SS. France defeated a much stronger europe than any SS tier empire defeated, that europe needed to unite their forces to beat the french army. France also conquered land in almost every continent and where pretty much the only one to invade Russia successfully. French was the most spoken language around the world for a while. British empire has to be SS tier, it really annoys me how people disrespect such an empire, let me remind you that English is still to this day the most spoken language around the world. They had the greatest empire in history, they were the only one to be able to fight back against a prime France. The French and British empire are the 2 greatest empire in history
Average anglo history teacher talking about the black legend of Spain as if it was true lmao.
The inquisition killed 10 times more people in Germany, the English genocided 100 times more people in America and ON purpose but hey Spanish empire bad just because 😂
Holy Roman Empire? More like Secular German Kingdom, amiright?
Not necessarily secular, since even the pathetic version, the church was still quite powerful
Not holy, not Roman, not an empire
@@MrTerry It was all of them at one point and I'm sad you even mention this quote by Voltaire from the late stages of it's existing.
It existed nearly 1000 years, only the real Roman empire could beat this.
That's one of the dumbest quotes in
The HRE held Rome at the beginning (that's why the name Roman) and they saw themselves as the successor of the Romans, the king/ emporer got crowned by the pope and was the defender of christianity (that's why Holy, but also only really in the beginning stages) and it was definitly and empire (even up till it's end, but you could say the kings and dukes just did their own stuff. Yes sometimes they followed the orders of the emporer, but sometimes they didn't, especially after the reformation and the thirty years war, the power of the emporer was minimal (atleast as an emporer, the emporer had full authority about the place he ruled as king or duke)). But all emporers had power struggle, just look at Great Britain or the Mongols.
Im pissed that the swedish empire that was created by the "father of modern warfare" was not on the list. We had a barley a million people and and bullied half of europe and russia for a century. and Even when denmark-norway Polish-lithuania and russia, 2 empires that were on the list we draged the battle out for 21 years and in the beginning were kicked their arses.
Gustavus Adolphus... extremely underrated in history.
Cringe, now is swedistan
Actually, the Dutch had their own puppet government in Indonesia back then. They took over some kingdoms and make them as puppets, they also had outsourcing soldiers from locals and their military personnel posted in Indonesia especially on 18-19th century. So all of these stuff were governed by General Governor as satellite government for Netherland
Don’t forget: whilst Belgium was more more cruel than the Dutch. The Dutch were still assholes. Unfair wages, bad living environments for the locals, racism, economic manipulation etc. It came to the point where there’s a book about it (max havelaar by Multatuli, highly reccomend it).
@@gdbluefirre6749 at least the Dutch used slaves only for trading with the WIC unlike other nations. Compared to the other nations that were big in colonizing in that time period it was probably the best to be colonized by the Dutch since we were so focused on trading and spices instead of land and power. Even to this day we still control a few islands like the ABC-Islands
As a German, I can tell you that the German Empire was one of the worst empires in the world. Let's take this inhuman shit out of the picture for a moment. From a purely objective military perspective, the German Empire was not only doomed to fail, but it was so unstable that the empire had no choice but to wage war, and even then the military staff was incredibly incompetent. Adolf Hitler was the stupidest dictator in history. Instead of administering the territories he had won in Poland, France and the Balkans, he opened a second front against the Soviet Union while fighting the British. How dumb can someone be?
16:40 If we take out the attrocities (like we did with the Japanese Empire with an S) i think the "No No Germans" should be higher. They brought Germany out of the Great Depression.
I agree, if Hitler wasn't so bad he could have been one of the greatest rulers of all time, he was extremally smart and knew what he was doing, he just started stabbing himself towards the end and was a very bad person.
solving unemployment by forcing your population into forced labour, while solving the issue, should not be considered a solution. and building a complex road system (with said labour) for the soviets to steamroll down after you overextend yourself is shooting yourself in both feet
But he did he never helped the economy he just stole money from other countries
By taking an extreeeeme debt that they couldnt pay. If they didnt go to war their economy would have collapsed, it was in the path of doing it already. there was a reason why hitler couldnt wait longer, the country was a boiling pot, he just put it on its foot and armed it to fight again, but there was no way in the world he would be able to keep it without conflict.
Nope. It was administered in a way, that managed to piss off most of the rest of the world for them to knock them into oblivion. Didn`t even manage to last for one generation. Very low tier. B at most. For the same reason I`d put napoleonic France, Alexandrian Greece and Imperial Japan there too. Well Alexandrian Greece and Napoleonic France maybe a bit higher, because they at least left some important cultural marks after their downfall (Before you ask, French republic and Napoleonic Empire were important for the end for European monarchies). Mongols didn`t last long too, but at least it were a few generations and they definetly left a cultural mark.
About the HRE: gotta compare apples to apples. During the High Middle Ages it was probably the biggest player in Europe. After that it went downhill. Still lasted for centuries on end
i agree, nothing lame about HRE
It was the empire in europe for most of its time, till its decline with the start of the 30 year war from 1618-48
12:11 With all respect, that is a mayor falsehood. There wasn't a genocide and not everything is atrocious (I am not saying that there were no abuses).
British Empire has to be on the double S tier, because the other empires he ranks with the British Empire simply don't match up whatsoever
Nahh
I would say the roman empire is the only empire that surpassed the british because of how long it lasted.
@@thoralexandermichelsen6592 Im british and Roman Empire Is the greatest for sure but to put Mongol above British or even same tier is crazy
@@LykanosAquilaeWhat do you mean nah, it's pretty clear 😂
British Empire created the USA which is the world superpower. The British Empire is SS tier.
it's strange how the achaemenid (persian) empire was listed twice, but I think it should go to S just because it is a very influential empire which basically have directly or indirectly created a bunch of things that we live with today. and the empire held over 40% of the world's population of the time. my opinion though.
Easily SS
Yeah but, brown people.
Achaemenid Empire is SS if you know history
SS
Achaemenid is easily SS
Terry, you should make your own tier list.
It'd be so funny if he had ranked "nono Germany" in the SS category. Based on the history
Bonjour,
Excusez moi mais comparer les USA qui n'ont que 200 ans d'existence avec des empires comme la France qui ont largement plus d'un millénaire d'histoire (la France devrait être au même niveau que l'angleterre histoire tout autant complexe et complète) c'est d'une total impartialité du fait que les USA soit dans leurs âge d'or. De même pour l'empire ottoman qui mérite un SS pour son histoire militaire culturelle et scientifique énorme qui fait de lui l'un des pays fondateurs du monde actuel. Je suis ingénieur et scientifique en histoire des sciences d'après moi votre recherche sur certains empires/pays devrait être plus poussé que les simple arguments que vous dites lors de cette réaction de vidéo (cela va de même pour l'autre messieur de la vidéo originale)
Bonne journée à vous.
I am loving these. I want to see the Mr. Terry tier list. Not just speaking through it but put it together.
The Byzantines are a little difficult to rank.
What Basil, Justinian and the Komnenos dynasty did were S to SS tier.
Angelos dynasty on the other hand were probably even below Italy.
How do you rank an Empire that was around for one thousand years? At its peak? At its low? On average?
It is true that geographically the German Empire was not that impressive, but their economy and influence considering their size was MAD!
Yes hes for sure a german hater otherwise i cant explain how he denies that the german empire was the great power at his time in the world
Pretty much entirely agreed with you, was saying the same thing just before you did. The original is painfully inconsistent and a bit odd at times - but I suppose I was using similar criteria to you, influence and lasting impact, as well as the scale and scope particularly compared to contemporaries.
British is undoubtedly top tier, that was a weird choice, it’s almost certainly the most influential empire globally of all time after Rome too (even allowing for a bit of Eurocentric/Anglosphere bias) - Babylonians much higher (although my focus is Early Modern onwards I have a real soft spot for a bit of Assyriology), and the Vikings shouldn’t even have been on the list as that’s in no way an Empire so that’s an automatic bottom tier of you can’t leave them off. Would probably have HRE a little higher than you as it’s important in the shaping of Europe still but broadly agree with your points
Being Drew, he may have had those in mind, but also as a Civ player and a little rule of cool
Underestimated British, Spanish and Portuguese
SS - Roman, British, Mongols
S- Spanish, Ottoman, Byzantium, Abbasid, Achaemenid/Persian.
The Chinese empire is SS but I refuse to add them because they are a collection of different dynastic rule that all contributed to what China is today. Yes, I consider the CCP a successor/dynasty that is currently ruling China.
Agree
ok, now we need you to do this and compare it to Drew's tier list (because I need thick Persia to be higher)
Is the Persian Empire why do you have fat shame an country that might have the Garden of Eden
I Would agree for there being a Viking Empire if he was just talking about the North Sea Empire.
as a french I just have to say a word, when the WW2 ended, Americans invented the french bashing, in what consist the fact to make fun of french based on differents clichés who where invented by Americans, so, when Drew Durnil says "everybody make fun of France", in fact the biggest part of the "everybody" are Americans, and maybe britsh (we have a passive together lol(IDK if "having a passive" exist in english)), so yeah, basically, Americans don't even remember why they make fun of french
The equivalent would be friendly banter although sometimes it turns not so friendly just be grateful we have to keep watch of the Jerries instead 🤣
@@dennisgoatimer1079 the Jerries ?
@@Tanuki_NoRa German's
@@dennisgoatimer1079 thx to URSS mhh...
@@Amb_ms ???
German Empire was fighting the whole world with shit allies 😂
They were pretty pretty good..
Also Quick history of Germany:
Rejects Roman annexation - Teutons defeat Rome, are often slapped in the face, but Rome generally fails to subdue them
Create an Empire that wasn't really an Empire but somehow lived for 1000 years - Very special and unique
The Kingdom of Prussia and hundreds of German states gangsta! before being defeated by one of history's greatest generals.
defeats the French, unite into a new Empire
Get a colonial Empire
Fights the whole world two times
Gets divided again
Reunites again and is not allowed to be strong again.
Also, a few German inventions 😂
- Incandescent lamps (Heinrich Göbel 1854)
- The Telephone (Johann Philip Reis 1859)
- Dynamo and tram (Werner von Siemens 1866)
- The 35mm camera (Oskar Barnack 1925)
- Nuclear fission and atomic bomb (Otto Hahn - while Nazi Germany emigrated to the Americans of course. Are they lucky the Germans exist - 1938)
- The ship chart (Jürgen Dethloff and Helmut Gröttrub 1969)
- Periodic Table (Julius Luther Meyer 1864)
- Jeans (Levi Strauss 1873)
- The recorder, player - with which the first films were possible (Emil Berliner 1887)
- Aspirin - which all great athletes used to feel used to relieve pain and which saved countless lives (Felix Hoffmann 1879)
- Spark plug (Robert Bosch 1902)
- Thermos flask (Reinhold Burger 1903)
- the toothpaste (Ottomar Heinsius von Mayenburg)
- The coffee filter (Melitta Bentz)
- Cassette recorder (Fritz Pfleumer 1928)
- Teabag (Adolf Rambold 1929)
- The jet engines - Indispensable for all jets and rockets + First war rockets V1, V2 of the Nazis (Hans von Ohain 1929)
- The Helicopter (Heinrich Focke 1936)
- The first car (Carl Benz - With honorary mustache - 1886)
- Computers (Konrad Zuse 1941)
- Fanta (During the Nazi era - and yes, this Fanta)
- First 3D film (also during the Nazi era)
- NASA (due to thousands of German engineers and thinkers that the Americans needed)
- Typewriter (Peter Mitterhofer - 1864)
Debatable. Highly debatable.
Funny of Mr Terry to say: yep (your opinion) better be exactly the same as mine or we're gonna have drama.
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I'm sorry but the genocides? The Spanish didn't genocide anyone, natives died of diseases. That's like saying the Chinese genocided the Europeans because of the black death. As for slavery, the Spanish Empire didn't partake in it even close to as much as other powers, especially considering they held power the strongest and longest in the Americas. The Dutch partook in slavery about the same amount as the Spanish to put it into perspective. Also, slaves in Spanish territory could become free men. Why do Americans always know so little about the Spanish, it's insane how ignorant most of you are considering how influential Spain was in and around your lands.
The Spanish were just as brutal as the other colonial empires and they absolutely did partake in slavery and again, were very brutal in doing so. Stop being a Spanish fanboy.
@@welshed Not true at all, you're making shit up. The Spanish empire had a policy of integration with Natives, they weren't even close to as brutal as other powers.
I literally said they partook in slavery you dumb fuck, are you illiterate?? I urge you to pick up history books and learn to read.
@@welshed Sorry but not only Spanish people know that all of that was a Black Legend, there is even German studies that recognize that it wasn’t true what is said about the Spanish Empire. And if the Spanish committed a Genocide why is there still people in south and Central America with native ethnicities? The other empires did commit Genocide, specially the British Empire. You only have to look at how many people has a white ethnicity in Canada or the U.S., when all of them should have native ethnicities. Slavery was committed much time after the empire fell, when the division of Africa took place. Also, do you have any sources that confirm it?, or do you have that opinion because you are a Spain hater that doesn’t accept real facts?
@Michelle There was no "racial caste" system, that simply didn't exist. There were racial classifications to count the people of the Empire, but all citizens had the same basic rights. With obviously the nobles having more rights as elsewhere in the world. The only reason Anglos mention some sort of caste system is due to the population being mentioned by race and probably due to the encomiendas which were abused by some people for sure. But it definitely wasn't the norm, or the intention of Spanish State as seen by the Leyes de Burgos and then Las Nuevas Leyes (which were passed to stop loopholes that could be used to abuse Natives, with things such as the encomiendas).
I literally have no clue what your second argument is, since it's so badly written. Napoleon invaded Spain even though we were an ally of his. Kind of hard to guard against that. Napoleon eventually suffered his first losses in Spain too. Although I agree that with the death of Carlos III our next monarchs were all incompetent. The territories declared independence due to various reasons, including British conspiracy as is evident by the fact that many rights on resources were given to the British after the independences had succeeded. Also evident by the fact that Spain had already restored the territories by 1818, and it was only after that the British went fully into the whole thing making the loss of territories successful.
You are correct, Spain couldn't come even close to contending with the US by 1898. There's no shame in admitting that. Empires come and go. You seem to think I'm in some weird irrational state about this, but I'm not. I'm arguing for the reality of the situation which I have studied as is my field. If it really interests you, you'll probably find it interesting that when Mexico gained its independence over 60% of the population could still speak a Native tongue. I urge you to genuinely study or even just look at the reality of the situation sometime, you'll find it's probably not as simple as it seems. Have a good day.
The US has no interest in showing the Spanish benefitial influence in the Americas because 1) that would mean Spain's relevance during the US' independence would be recognized much more than it is today, therefore showing the betrayal USA did against Spain when they declared the Spanish-American war, being a savage predator even with the ones that made their independence possible. 2) the Spanish cultural influence over most parts of the US is much bigger than the English (admitted by the founding fathers of America themselves), but the core of the USA is obviously the Thirteen Colonies, influenced by English culture since they were part of their Empire; reviving the Spanish or Hispanic sentiment and recognizing its cultural influence (that was erased during the Western expansion of the US that cost Mexico 50% of its territory) could break out a division in the country, either cultural, social or political. That's why even Americans get surprised when they learn that some of their Spanish speaking neighbours have been living there decades before USA was even created, as they thought that they were immigrants that crossed the border recently.
The soviets should be a good A-S tier, they were an absolute superpower and they themselves were matching up against the entire western world. Besides rome nobody had that prolonged super-level threat
They didn't even have Imperial Russia on the list, lol
(12:08) It is a pitty that the Spanish empire is known for that when it did not genocide anyone and was the first to forbid enslaving indigenous people
Roman Empire is SS+ Tier
I am kinda annoyed the only chinese empire is represented by the qing, what about the tang, ming or han, or literally any of the other dynasties of china, seems unfair that china is judged only off its last dynasty
I think you were kind of missing the point of the tier list. This isn't about what nations did the best, this is just about what nations Drew found to be his favorite. Like obviously the Ottoman Empire may be my favorite, doesn't mean I support them and would care to have them around in the current world. Either way still a really cool video, nice job
The Incans weren't on the list which is just criminal. The fact that they managed to build the Machu Picchu and we still don't understand how is amazing. They also controlled a massive area. I'm not sure how they did on development because i don't know if they built those incredible road networks throughout the empire.
I also think the Achaemnids should be SS tier honestly. The satrap system is just genius and essentially an ancient version of a president and a governor. The fact that they were very kind compared to say the Babylonians and Assyrians that had ruled there before gives big bonus points for me too. The empire was also really well managed with a robust postal system and road network AFAIK.
The problem with these rankings is that the rankings these Empires get can shift radically depending on how you rank them.
The greatest example is Russia. The Russian Empire at its height (from the Great Northern War to the Crimean War.) You could make the case for Russia being an A tier or even S tier, they were one of if not the greatest power on the continent and only really rivaled by Britain.
But of course from Crimea to 1942/43 Russia (and the Soviet Union) just eats rocks and fails immensely at everything they tried to do, which could put them at C or D.
Then with the USSR at its height in 50s and 60s they could go back up to A tier for even being able to rival the United States.
Then there is Russia now...
Russia really is the 3rd Rome, just not quite in the way they think they are.
Funny,because i would say USA is a 3rd Rome😂
I always enjoy seeing people mock & scoff at the Holy Roman Empire. The HRE lasted nearly a thousand years, how long did your favs last? Clearly something, for a long time, worked well.
Mine lasted more than that. It was the Real Roman Empire
@@bobafett9348 that's nice
Man, each empire on this list has list of horrible human rights violations, not just Russian Empire/Soviet.
Yep, the author of this video just seems to be really salty and biased.
I don't remember the Achaemenid empire violating human rights.
next up: British
Buffs: *TEA*
Debuffs: *brexit*
Strength: *average*
Strength in taking 6 continents :*MAX*
Happiness: *mid*
Special Ability: *take 6 colonies and not get challenged*
he made a tier list based on the size of the empire 💀
I had some expectatives but they came to a halt and died out because of the black legend distribution about Spain. As a history teacher it's sad to talk about "genocide" when that never happened. There were a lot of other reasons why natives decreased their population. Most of it because of the mixture of their cultures and diseases. But not condemning the Bri'ish for massively doing genocide against Kenya, native americans, Indians and South africans. No sh*t.
Spain being next to Japan is criminal.
putting persian empire in b tier is brutal
ss fosure
Britain has to be top tier. Bigger than Rome. Lasted longer than mongol.
16:28 Drew has been around awhile, and due to social media demonetization rules, he can't give the common name used by World War II Germany, or name their small-mustached leader.
I think the American empire also probably should’ve included all the central and South American states we installed puppet governments in or straight up invaded: Nicaragua, Granada, Haiti, Guatemala. Also does the US empire also include all of the territory that was occupied by indigenous peoples when the country was formed? Because that makes the starting nation much smaller compared to the height of the empire
also all of Brazil and if i recall correctly Argentina, that was huge
The peak of the American Empire should include their entire sphere of influence as of the end of the cold war.
Are u speaking about europe when u say puppets?
That that sort of bullshit I expected from an American History teacher 😂
I am very disappointed in both Terry and Drew for glossing over the Achaemenids.
Lmao, imagine being History teacher and saying the HRE wasn't an empire.
Glad I wasn't one of your students.
It was a coalition of Microstates so they could keep unique cultures and customs but still be strong if there was an external invader - how is that an Empire?
@@stickynotemetagaming It was definitly an empire, you just described the word empire: ->
"an extensive group of states or countries ruled over by a single monarch, an oligarchy, or a sovereign state."
The HRE had an emporer and in this empire were kings, dukes, free cities and so on.
I think the German empire should definitely be A. Once Germany was unified the rest of Europe was scared because they became the strongest power and they were just insanely powerful. They proved to be able to destroy enemy forces even with lesser numbers like on the eastern front in ww1 against the Russians and had to carry the entirety of the central powers because all of them were bad and Germany still got very close to winning ww1.
Overestimating colonial powers and underestimating continental European powers is rather common in the US. That's why Germany and even France are underestimated, compared with Britain and especially Spain. Terry is a knowledgable person so I won't assume, but it's possible he doesn't realize fully how much more competitive and important was European land, in terms of real European politics.
Nope. German empire was an underachiever's British Empire
@@rdm3373 no they weren't, they weren't very similar, Germanys military was amazing and the best at the time and was very industrial while the British had the best navy and very expatiationist to get more colonies
They were strong but they didn't make anything lasting out of it compared to Britain and France for instance.
@@GamingKnight0820 Compared to some of its neighbors. Yeah it was
Time to make you’re own list
Tbh, I kind of feel like I made it as I was commenting on his.
i do find it funny that whenever i find a new list of the most historically influential countries/states on the world Britain is either 1st or 2nd, and when its second its always behind Rome and the reason given is that Rome's influence on early Britain, put it onto its path to achieve everything it did.
I never understood that logic, rome was influenced by many other empires.
@@maxdavis7722 Is BS anyway.The Industrial Revolution and sheer volume of innovation coming from Britain, on top of the incredible spread of their culture and empire "globally", pisses all over the Roman Empire.People just don't like to admit this, because Britain is a current nationstate and it's not cool to like them.But it's an objectively measurable fact, on all levels, that British culture has been more influential, and the Empire more impressive
Rome also has the romanticism value of less familiarity with the ancient world.
@@Rowlph8888 I agree, there is a great over exaggeration of the influence of old events simply because they are old. Being old is not the same as being influential.
@@Rowlph8888 I'm not here to evangelise for Rome, but I think they deserve some credit for the fact that their empire could be considered comparable in influence to an empire that is 2,000 years younger. Yes, technological innovation in Industrial Britain was insane, but Rome's technological and cultural achievements were just as impressive albeit in a less condensed time period. Rome is very much an influence on the modern nation of Italy, and in the legal codes of just about every Western nation. Latin still dominates the textbooks of many academic fields, especially law and medicine.
You can't look at history in a vacuum, and while I agree it's reductive to say that Rome was "better" or more influential because it came first and influenced later empires, I also think it's kinda wrong to disregard just how much they achieved and how long their empire lasted, especially considering the cultural institutions that outlived them.
@@Rowlph8888 rome conquered enemies that were stronger than them econically technologically militarily and then proceeded to match them through the will of their military society.
After they had defeated and conquered all these same level states they then advanced to a technological scientific, militarily and economical level that was not reached again for at least 1000 years after their collapse. The romans built structures that no one else knew how to use or even what they did and in fact when they left for example Britain, the local population started dying of diseases, etc... because they had been living off of all the acquduts, etc... that the romans buiot and one they left they had no idea how to use them
Britain went on some boats and took land that no one else wanted like Australia and Canada, their only real achievement was conquering a weakened india.
Honestly, I had pretty much the exact same reaction to him doing my Aztecs dirty like that as you did.
Yup
@Michelle So am I. I'm not even from anywhere either massive Hispanic influence. I just think the Aztecs were awesome.
At least they appeared, the incas weren't even in the list and the Incan empire was larger ;-;
@@dentescareno lake city?
@@thegyattiestmanalive22.2 yes, but mountain city and mountain roads instead!
Great Video :) I was thinking that when it comes to the choice of Chinese empires/dynasties, taking the Qing is not the best option for this video. I would personally rank the Han and Tang dynasties above them and rate these somewhere around A/S tier.
Trueeee, I was honestly dissapointed not seeing either of them or even the Song on the list😒
The Holy Roman Empire was LARPing as the Roman Empire with the Roman costume that mum had at home.
I'll admit it, I'm a Kaiserboo. I absolutely love the Kaiserreich. I collect flags and the flag of the German Empire was the 2nd one I collected right behind the American flag.
Seek help
@@noidea5984 nah he's based
…ok
I don't get it... 😬
Become a romaboo return to the og Caesar
I would love to see more of this history tier list stuff
I'd put the Dutch empire in a tier because of their huge economic power during a time when Britain was top tier. They financed Britain. Geographically not huge, but
economically ...
I think people like to think military over money and power over culture. Otherwise Rome wouldn't always be everyone's number one. Imo
lets make a peaceful mr terry history empire where everyone gets unlimited hugs.
🤗
The North Sea Empire was kind of a thing with Canute the Great holding Britain and Scandinavia. Thats a powerhouse at the time.
Fun fact in the First Italo-Ethiopian war The Ethiopians managed to get better guns than the Italians, through trade with Russia.
And they were triple the Italian numbers
17:30 *me wondering if its inca empire or Aztec empire until he said it was aztec but being happy either way since I am hispanic*
XD
Sorry sir but, the Spanish empire never committed genocide. for there to be genocide, there needs to be intent, planning and execution.
The diseases brought, were unintentional, since knowledge of bacteria would not be due for a few centuries. And compared to others, like the Belgium, British or French, who still have colonies to this day that exploit them, they were saints compared to them. Why found so many cities deep inland, build Hospitals, universities, cathedrals, if you are only there for the gold? Why dedicate so much efforts to learn the native language and give them protection, if you intent to exterminate?
the black legend is something that needs to be put to rest, once and for all. Hundreds of good and beneficial things were left by the Spanish, yet fools only focus on a handful of wrongs, or the exaggerations of a disgraced monk.
The level of historical education - Burger King
Glad you recognized the Aztec empire where Drew failed to
The early Persian empire is to me SS. Both because of the massive influence (they pioneered freedom of religion, and they had a huge influence on the Jewish people via freeing them from Babylon) and because of the land they controlled. They had just about all of the Middle East and Asia Minor under their banners. Also Cyrus was the goat, change my mind
how can u put the portuguese empire one tier lower than the "american empire"? disrespectful, portugal were pioneers in colonization, we found the sea route to india, and began mapping the atlantic and indian ocean wtf did the americans do? they bought alaska from russia and got the phillipines from the spanish lmao
As a Lithuanian, I'm proud of Grand Duchy of Lithuania (one part of Polish-Lithuanian commonwealth) and of not very bad evaluation in that video. Sadly when this commonwealth was created, Lithuania became more like a puppet of Poland. Despite being the bigger one. But they united because of bigger safety warrant. Grand Duchy of Lithuania were the ones, who stretched from Baltic to Black sea. Grand Duke Vytautas did that (but adding lands to the ones, which were occupied by his ancestors). And talking about occupation - yes, Vytautas did that, but the people in those lands weren't oppressed. They could do the same as they did before Vytautas came - religion, traditions etc... Also Grand Duchy of Lithuania along with Poland (then those were two separate countries - no union) severely defeated Teutonic order in the one of the most famous battle of Grunwald in 1410.
Worth to mention, that Grand Duchy of Lithuania was the last nation in Europe, which became christians and they did that by their own will (not like Prussians) because they stood strong.
Unfortunately Polish-Lithuanian commonwealth became weak, the nobles controlled this country badly, they elected kings, but kings had literally no power and only was for image. And then the time, when they were partitioned, came. 😔
There is no way he put Aztec Empire in D. Montezuma is rolling in his grave right now. (Or at least he would be if anyone knew where it was.)
I mean we don't have to know where it is for him to roll in it?
@@DreckbobBratpfanne when did he say that
@@OfficialUKGov "he is rolling in his grave right now" followed by "he would be if anyone knew..."
The Aztec Empire doesn't deserve anything higher than that lmfao.
@@crimson1453 as a professional said: "The Aztecs controlled an empire of 30 mil. people, built an entire MEGACITY IN THE 1400s ON A LAKE WITHOUT ANIMALS" and held onto most parts (starting with their core controlled territory) of multiple decades, despite the disadvantage of an pre-metalurgy empire like the malians or vikings.
History Teachers are the best teachers
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"Spanish Slavery... "
Me, looking at me recapitulation of laws of Spain, reading the express forbidding of slavery in America by Queen Isabel the catholic, under pain of death: Yeah, sure, sure. Whatever flows your Black Legend...
Mongols never took India, the map is wrong. And Archemid empire should have been SS, at one point they controlled over 40% of the ancient worlds population. Also, Mauryan empire is underrated.
I love history so much I wish you were my teacher
The Persian Empire no doubt SHOULD be S tier. Not only because of their size but the influence they brought to the world still felt in modern day (like the Greeks). Most notably, their administration was one of the best if not the best in the world for hundreds of years. When the Arabs conquered Persia in the 5th century, the first thing they adapted from the Persians was the administration just because of how efficient and insanely good it was.
The Persians couldn't defeat the small Greek city states
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*city states
@@WERTYUIO821 thanks
@@GamingKnight0820 I mean every strong empire has it's limits. Like how the US couldn't defeat Vietnam in the Vietnam War or how the Soviet Union couldn't defeat Afghanistan in the 1979 invasion. No empire or country is invincible.
Unbelievable that neither the Imperium of Man or the Necron Empire were included.
It's cool seeing him getting triggered about Russia's placement. "Human rights violations" as a denouncing factor for Empire greatnes, that's as hilarious as you go. Probably because he accused Russian Empire of under industrialization and obviously couldn't say the same about USSR. Biased American in all his glory.
it was still a bad empire that was always crumbling
@@karolis5376 I don't know any good empires, do you?
Is he insane? Aztecs that low? Egypt that low? The 5000 years old empire that has build monuments that still exist today and he just whacked it C tier? This ranking hurts my soul...
Ancient eygpt hasn’t influenced the modern world just had their major accomplishments lasted the pyramids haven’t changed the modern world it’s just cool
Also aztecs we’re a terrible backwards empire lol they accomplished incredible things like their capital but their act empire system was terrible it built no allies or loyalty just fear if the aztecs weren’t so backwards and savage Cortez would have failed badly
Nah the aztecs do deserve to be that low, it was more of a unsrbsle confederation that was defeated by a people way weaker and smaller than them, and I don't mean the 200 spaniards, but the tlaxcaltecas. And in the grand scheme of things they didn't ruled that big of a country, the only area they really ruled was the valley of Mexico, out of the 3 major mesoamerican empires, they were the worst, the Mayans and Incas really deserve more credit.