Sh*t Show Podcast: Dune (1984)
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- Опубликовано: 28 июн 2024
- Making Frank Herbert’s classic in 1984 is hard. Let’s talk about how difficult it was to make Dune, from discovering that David Lynch was not the next Spielberg or Lucas, to the truncated post production that led to multiple versions of the film.
Special guest: Max Evry
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In the entertainment world, there are millions of dollars on the line and troubled productions are bound to happen. Whether it's big egos, bigger budgets, or just plain bad luck, we are going behind-the-scenes on these disastrous, never ending, and sometimes dangerous productions. From the creators of WTF Happened To This Movie?, It Was A Sh*t Show is a video essay/documentary/podcast series looking at some of your favorite films and tv shows, and why they were such a nightmare to make.
Chapters:
00:00 - Teaser
00:53 - Intro
03:01 - Dune (1984)
Sources:
Box Office Mojo: www.boxofficemojo.com/release...
GQ: y2u.be/zK2ThAzZEhg
KGSM: y2u.be/JlE7DZrzik0
A Masterpiece in Disarray: David Lynch’s Dune. An Oral History: a.co/d/gVbbs8r
Wired: www.wired.com/story/david-lyn...
Featured Footage:
Dune (1984)
Music:
Ryan Hudson - Sh*t Show Theme
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The "extra 43 minutes" of the Alan Smithee cut is literally everything any competent editor would cut. Lots of actors blankly staring at nothing because the scene ended half a minute ago. And they replaced the iconic Virginia Madsen opening monologue with drunk uncle Billy narrating over pastel paintings of 10,000 years of history.
Wait, the stuff that was cut was from the beginning and middle, and not the rushed end?
It’s always a great day when we get a podcast episode!
people really trash the Lynch version for it's stilted dialogue and I have to wonder did they ever read the damn book?
The art direction in Lynch's version; costuming, set design and even Paul Atraides' pug are awesome.
Thank you for clearing up the Fat Boy Slim song! I think another level of weird synchronicity is that Christopher Walken is the star of the music video for Weapon of Choice AND plays the Emperor in the 2nd part of the new Dune film. Full freaking circle baby! Cuz if you WALKen without rhythm and you won’t attract the worm! (Or box office!). 😜
Whoa! I didn’t even think of that!
Don’t be shocked by the tone of my voice, it’s the new weapon, my weapon of choice.
I wonder if they cast him for that reason
Iron Maidens, To tame a land, was basically Dune in song form.
Admittedly, I've never understood the allure of Dune, nor ever seen any of the movies. Now, I want to watch them all!! And read the books! And buy Max's book! Thank you for the in-depth dive with an expert!
Have you watched the new films? Read the book? How's that going?
You guys forgot to mention the other Dune/Fatboy Slim connection in that the music video for the song has Christopher Walken dancing throughout a hotel lobby.
Walken was cast as Emperor Shadam IV in Dune Part 2.
43:31 the inner monologues are in the book in almost every scene. It allowed the author tonreally give the reader a background without it having to be in a dialouge, among other reasons
The only really *big* misstep is making Paul an actual messiah, magically bringing water with the voice.
And the sound-weapon things, I guess. Weirding Modules.
Denis Vannila-euve is kinda blank, mechanical, and empty in comparison. I liked part 2 tho.
He's not the messiah, he's a very naughty boy
Love you guys and this podcast! it takes alot of work to keep it at this level of quality and these guests have been top tier! do you guys still do live shows? if youre ever in the LA area id love to go!❤❤❤
We’ve only done online live episodes. But maybe another in the future.
I love that Corridor Crew video about the vfx in this movie. The real-life composite shot was astonishing.
Excellent as always! Only thing missing was Clint's sandworm-underwear. Surely he must have a pair of those in his collection.
I think the real sandworm is within the underwear
Jamiroquai album called "Traveling Without Moving" too
Thanks again, always great to hear you all having such fun
I was at 1984 debut in Seattle - my dad won tix - and Herbert came out on stage to introduce the film... I wonder to this day if he had even seen the final cut yet... I was 13 and I just remember that it was a wild movie but some of the imagery still sticks with me. If I can recall the audience reaction, and most of these people were BIG Dune fans - I remember the buzz walking into the theater - it was "quiet confusion"...
The social media site formerly known as prince 😂 great ep, great guest! Not a dune fan, really didn't like the recent one, but fuck it now I have to see the David lynch version! Keep up the good work
I was beyond happy seeing new episode in my feed! Great 1.5 hours ahead!
Edit: can confirm, it was an amazing 1.5 hours. Please keep it up!
I’m prob too drunk to listen to this. But I love Cint, so I’ll tough it ou
Who?
Who?
If you view the lynch adaptation as in-universe pro muad’dib propaganda it all gels. Love it eitherway 84’ baby had all the merch
Recently got obsessed with dune. This was such an awesome episode 🤘
Yeah, a new episode !! I haven't watched it yet, but I hope you're answering the first question I had when I first watched it as a child, wtf is Sting in Dune ? 😂
The best Baron is in the Scy-Fy channel mini series Dune. He is the most like the book. Both other Baron versions are insane to one degree or another. The book and Sci-Fi versions are conniving, ambitious and brutal.
BEST NEW CHANNEL AND PODCAST ! I'm devouring all the episodes on Apple Podcasts after finding out about the RUclips channel, and it's just awesome ! I love the team - Ian, Rae, Clint - for their infectious humor and obvious friendship, the movies are researched to a mind-blowing level, and the whole thing is just a joy to watch and listen to. Icing on the cake, they hate racists, misogynists and assholes in general - which is always a good thing to make sure of before posting how much you love anybody's work.
If you guys ever read this, thank you and congratulations on the excellent work !
What a wonderfully nice comment! Glad you found us and are enjoying the content!
More to come…
Went to the 40th anniversary re-release last weekend with some friends and we were the only ones in the theater, it was an experience
Private screening!
Please do an episode on The Thief and the Cobbler!
Definitely on the list!
excellent episode!
Kinda Wondered why I recognized the name Dino De Laurentiis. It was from the TV chef Giada De Laurentiis, his granddaughter.
This was my first time listening to the podcast and I really enjoyed it! Its like "The Movies That Made Us" but with movies that are more dear to me.
Subscribed! :)
Glad you enjoyed it!
I have a figure of that rat and cat😂 I love that you show it😂
when a new episode of shitshow drops: first i listen on spotify then i come to youtube and theres always some jerk in the comments. this is why i start with spotify.
Not too many this time, though one guy thinks us saying dictators are bad is "left wing commentary"...
Oh and that jerk...
@@ItWasAShtShow I would advise to simply not reply to them, just shadowban them and move on.
Dont feed the trolls and all that
I know... but I have this enormous chip on my shoulder about idiots that think they can use the anonymity of the internet to be their worst selves. If you can't say it to someone's face, don't say it at all.
@@ItWasAShtShow fair enough, just dont let them drag you down too long, cuz for some reason jerks online have infinite stamina. So if you give them attention they'll keep replying annoying sh1t FOREVER
There's a bit of an issue here where a lot of what is good about the BOOK (mainly its expansive influence over sci-fi that came after it) is being attributed to the film. Jodorowsky's unmade Dune is probably more verifiably influential than this version.
Absolutely love you guys, hope you guys can get more consistent and more popular!
I'd love to hear your reactions on Dune Part Two! I honestly think you'll love how Denis handled Paul's spiral and also the crazy weird shit from the source material
My dad took me to see that in theaters and I fell asleep
With AI making videos now, it would be cool if we could take the Jodorowsky's Dune script and make the movie... I bet in a few years it will be possible... I bet we could even do scenes right now.... if Max Evry realy has the original script, seems to me it should be public on the internet so fans could make the movie using AI... that would be awesome.
Geiger worked on aliens after working with Jordarwalkis Dune.
Everyone needs to see this movie once, but only once is enough.
The soundtrack is great tho.
55:00 "I DUNE not mean that"
Have you ever looked at Highlander II: The Quickening? I think it would make an interesting episode. It had a troubled production, with the director basically kicked out, and a plot that completely changed the canon and backstory established in the first film.
Actually I plan on doing that film this year because it apparently takes place in 2024.
@@ItWasAShtShow Yes, according to Wiki it takes place in 2024.
If you need some more research material on that film, there was a documentary made in 2004 called Highlander II: Seduced by Argentina.
Max Evry sounds exactly like Rian Johnson
Another great episode! Thanks so much!
I've always been a big fan of Dino De Laurentiis' (what I call) "Cosmic Sci-Fi"--the unofficial trilogy of Barbarella (1968), Flash Gordon (1980), and Dune (1984)--all of them colorful, psychedelic madness--SF that goes from the colorful 1950s cosmic SF of Forbidden Planet and This Island Earth, and utterly bypasses the kitbashing "hardware" of 2001 and Star Wars, plunging into delightful weirdness (in a sense, Disney's The Black Hole is a kissing cousin to this esthetic). Dino may have been a vulgarian, but his "vulgar" taste provided SF with some beautiful visions and some keeeeee-RAY-zee ideas.
BTW, I saw Dune in the theaters in 1984, got the sheet--also got the promo T-shirt (which I regretfully traded for something I've forgotten--but to a guy who went on to produce several Jon Spencer albums!).
Thanks again!
I’ve never heard anyone annunciate the word “miniatures” so well. I just say “Minnachures.”
16:42 Alejandro Jodorowsky is 95, since February 17, 2024.
Excellent episode! Just curious why, talking about different versions of the movie, possible sequels and what could have been, there was not mention (maybe I missed it) of the TV mini series from 2000.
Like I said, we could do an entire episode about all the other attempts since 1984 to 2021.
You forgot about the Y2K ScFi TV mini series and Sci-fi TV mini series Sequel “Children of Dune” in 2003
"Can you explain Twin Peaks to me?"
"Why of course"
*Speaks for twelve hours, backwards.*
Why does it have to be explained?
Love this podcast.
Always so happy to see more episodes of this podcast
One of my favorite bands, Toto, wrote the soundtrack. Incredible!
That Eno song too. Epic!
I will literally never watch Dune bc my freshman year of college I took a History of Science Fiction course. There was this guy that used to talk NON STOP about Dune. Dune, Dune, Dune! It felt like a prank he couldn't talk about anything else but Dune. The professor had to tell him to stop talking about Dune half way through the semester bc it turned into a problem. I didn't feel bad for him either bc he tried to quiz me about Star Trek when we first met and suprise suprise he didn't know that much beyond TNG and Dune
I had a guy like that in an animation class who wouldn't shut up about Final Fantasy VII: Advent Children. Like... why?
Writing this after listening to Clint say to watch Dune '84 if you haven't seen it. To be honest, I was perfectly content with never seeing it, because we have the Villeneuve version. However, after listening to all of this, I do have more respect for it, so I guess I'll give it a try. But first, I have to watch Dune: Part Two, which I will on Monday, because I don't want any spoilers on the second half. I'm excited for it, and then I guess I'll see this one afterwards. I'll let you know if it was worth it.
Ok, after seeing Part 2, and reading the book, I have finally watched this version, and while I can appreciate the film's ambition, it is a really bad Dune adaptation. Not the worst film I've ever seen, but it wasn't great.
HOLY SHIT I LOVE YOU GUYS
Love the show guys keep it up
Please dont engage with every single negative comment. You give them the attention that they want, they wont change AND lowkey makes you look thin skinned
Keep on doing your thing and dont let them get to ya. I rewatch the simpsons and blues brothers episodes like once a month.
I usually ban them on the videos. But I love our podcast community, so I hate it when they come in here and jump on my furniture.
Originally they overdubbed Alicia Witt with David Prowse, just to make it up to him.
This literally made me laugh out loud.
My favorite part of the masterpiece documentary Jodorowski's Dune is the relief Jodorowski he had when he saw how messy the David Lynch version turned out to be.
Woot woot
You’re back! :)
I literally watched this last night in anticipation of seeing Dune Part Two this weekend, so this is really good timing
1:25:12 I DID see it as a kid when it came out, and you are correct.
I also read it as a kid, and felt stupid because I had no idea what some things were even supposed to be. Thankfully I found the Dune Encyclopedia.
I totally forgot about the cat rat, and I am once again reminded one of the reasons why I liked the 1984 Dune.
I love Lynch’s version, it is so colorful and fun…the new one is just…beige and boring.
Hey, give the new one proper respect… it’s more of a tan khaki than beige.
I think its a interesting conversation, even with the left wing commentary bleeding through.
The only way this makes any sense is if you believe dictators are a good thing.
@ItWasAShtShow
No it was the jab at Twitter at the end, little things here and there in several episodes. I like what you guys do having listened alot of episodes, just one thing I noticed.
Twitter is flooded with actual Nazis. That's the joke.
just watch the documentary for gods sakes!
fascinating... as I remember seeing this film in 1984... but I knew it would evolve... and so it has... but do, do a "Shit Show" on "Dr Doo Little" with Rex Harrison....
I have both Dolittles (original and the RDJ 2022 one) on the list.
@@ItWasAShtShow Sounds like "Blazing Saddles" 1974 was definitely a Shit show...
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Would've made for a better podcast had everyone actually seen '84 Dune
Would have made for a better comment if you actually listened to the episode.
Villenueve's Dune Part 1 is absolutely setting up Paul's "fall" that will happen in Part 2, and it makes sense that that didnt come to full fruition in Part 1.
But that doesn’t excuse Part 1 from not making me care. A good example would be Fellowship of the Ring. Sure it’s part one but I know what’s at stake, I know the end goal and I care for the characters involved.
Well, I couldn't disagree more, but you should have just said that instead and explained why you didn't care. You made it sound like that wasn't what Villenueve was building towards when it 100% was.
A little less casual indifference on Mexico. Im not going to fine you, but you were definitely speeding and being a bit of a dk.
Babe, wake up. New Sh*t Show just dropped.
Dune was originally released as an “Alan Smithee” film, which is a false name directors used to not be directly associated with a project. It wasn’t received well at first, years later it would become a cult classic.If you think this Dune was weird, you should watch the doc about Jodorovskys Dune they wanted to make. The soundtrack is really very good too with epic music by Toto.
Incorrect. The 1984 DUNE was released with Lynch's name. It was the later longer TV version recut without Lynch's involvement where he opted to have his name taken out for director (Smithee) and writer ("Judas Booth").
Hard disliked the OG Dune. Dune 2 is one of my fav movies of all time and I love Dune part one also.
You say "weird" I say gross. The movie is purposely repulsive for a book I always felt should be majestic and big. Denis IMO saved the franchise and rebirthed it. That said I liked 1984 Dune, I had it on laser disc but more cult classic status which isn't where a world like this belonged IMO. Also how there's so many debates between the two movies while ignoring the Sci-Fi series is kinda wild. It's good in that Doctor Who set driven sci fi.
Lynch's version is far better Villeneuve’s version is simply not as good as the original. The emperor comes across as a drunk grampa, theres no decadentce or opulence , he could have easily been a middle manager in an office. The barron is mild mannered, unthreatening, a total wasted opportunity. The spacing guild, navigators virtually reduced to a few lines.
Its bland, dreary and very very dull, great cinematography and cgi as you'd expect from money being thrown at it.
It makes Lynch's version even better.
You must be joking, dude. The performances alone of the lynch version, are just laughable, so over the top and stagey they are. The annoying voice over just ruins it all. Its unavoidable. The only guy that gets away with it is Sting, because his on screen persona is so powerful. The other people feel like a SNL skit of a Dune movie.
They did a better job than the current rubbish.
Lmao
Lynch's DUNE has some beautiful elements, and some cringey ones. But as an adaptation of Herbert's story, it's an abject failure. You can barely adapt it as two films, let alone one.