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  • @JasonArmond
    @JasonArmond 11 лет назад +412

    "We call it the Dark Lands. No one goes there. Legends speak of the time when the Ancients poisoned the planet. They gathered all the malice, hate, greed and envy of Humanity and buried it deep beneath the soil, to hide it away. We call that place the Dark Lands. No one goes there."
    Can't you just imagine some village elder sitting around a camp fire telling that story to wide-eyed children a few thousand years from now?

    • @andreaberetta9656
      @andreaberetta9656 4 года назад +24

      Jason Armond there was a discussion about a “ nuclear priesthood “ and “ radioactive cats” , there is an article on Wikipedia that explains this topic in detail

    • @viktorthecreator4458
      @viktorthecreator4458 4 года назад +45

      yeah except if a kid goes there they dont get a legendary quest across eons they get cancer

    • @Monarch_Prime
      @Monarch_Prime 4 года назад +17

      "The dark lands are filled with spikes, where cats glow. There was a man named ben' hya mh'in, who tried to obtain the danger. He never returned.

    • @Monarch_Prime
      @Monarch_Prime 4 года назад +7

      @@andreaberetta9656 ray cats lol
      Imagine being a kid in the future and your cat glows

    • @nova_zar
      @nova_zar 4 года назад

      That's a bit too cliché but it still sounds cool

  • @Onifos
    @Onifos 11 лет назад +177

    The basic message seemed almost mystical sounding which could have tempted people; I am glad we have included the actual scientific details.

    • @qdaniele97
      @qdaniele97 2 года назад +12

      I also got that wrong the first time:
      That's not a message supposed to be written anywhere, just a brainstormed summarised idea of what their level one message (AKA cavemen-should-understand-it message) was supposed to convey through easily-understandable, culture-indipendent and non-written means such as drawings, landscaping, architecture, etc.

  • @tryingtoreachyouaboutyourc6161
    @tryingtoreachyouaboutyourc6161 3 года назад +127

    As a certain RPG playing friend of mine once said, "the harder the dungeon, the better the loot"

    • @qdaniele97
      @qdaniele97 2 года назад +8

      They thought of that... That's where the thermite landmines come into place.
      Designed to last for thousands of years (that's why they'd use thermite instead of say gunpowder or TNT) and buried inside the sealed mineshafts to scare-off and maybe enjure but not necessarly kill future would-be "adventurers" so that they can tell everybody that what's burried there is truly dangerous.

    • @DevinDTV
      @DevinDTV 2 года назад +7

      @@qdaniele97 More danger = better loot. Only the bravest and savviest adventurers will make it past the traps and obstacles. What wondrous treasure awaits?

    • @Vinnie_728
      @Vinnie_728 2 года назад +5

      yay, i got the best loot of all!
      radiation poisoning

    • @McLarenMercedes
      @McLarenMercedes 2 года назад +1

      To OP.
      It's perhaps fortune these RPG playing types don't pass on their genes and their sheltered and myopic of the entire world through their fantasy escapism. We're talking people who literally refer to different actors by whatever superhero they played. Unashamed no less.
      You know what I except? People reading this comments a hundred years from now or maybe even a thousand and thinking:"People in the past were extremely stupid. These comments prove it."
      Here's a historical truth: Idiots never write history.
      Oh, and another thing: Bad humor is the hallmark of your average urban chimp.

    • @Biohazbird
      @Biohazbird 2 года назад +6

      @@McLarenMercedes Archaeologists saw the warnings on Egyptian tombs. People routinely travel to places with dangerous predators, terrible infectious diseases and parasites, toxic gases/unbreathable air, crushing pressures, and countless other natural and manmade hazards just because they know or think that something is there. RPGs are one way humans fulfill their curiosity and lust for adventure. Those who are privileged in time and resources travel into the hearts of unyielding nature for lost civilizations, into the bowels of the Earth for glittering gems, plunge into the abyss to marvel at aquatic monstrosities, plunder necropolises and tombs for even a glimpse of the secrets of the past, and wander into literal abandoned nuclear wastelands like Chernobyl to marvel at the uncontrolled power of destruction that can be unleashed by human folly.
      Whether the "loot" is treasure, knowledge, an experience, or even bragging rights, no all humans may be seduced by our innate curiosity and call of the unknown. Our only defense against this self-righteous self-destruction is fear.

  • @FlashakaViolet
    @FlashakaViolet 6 лет назад +317

    this whole concept gives me the creeps. it's like some kind of lovecraftian horror is buried deep below the earth and in a way it's true.

    • @tatotaytoman5934
      @tatotaytoman5934 3 года назад +6

      elephants foot

    • @Haja024
      @Haja024 2 года назад +4

      It's a poison that acts so viciously that you won't feel it taking hold until it's too late.
      And there's no antidote, bar some iodine tablets (which are more like prevention). Radioactivity IS lovecraftian AF.

  • @Lutranereis
    @Lutranereis 11 лет назад +111

    Very seldom has the explanation of a problem and its proposed solution caused me distress. This is one of those times. How do you adequately portray to people the dangers of a site when you know drawing attention to a site will only pique their curiosity? Will pictures be enough to deter people? Will they think we are lying to them, that we hid treasures in a place we proclaim to be dangerous?

    • @kungfucow547
      @kungfucow547 3 года назад +13

      Here's the thing about treasures. If they can't be readily accessible by the very people who hid them away then that defeats the whole point of a hidden treasure. An inaccessible treasure might as well be on the Moon and is utterly useless for whoever valued it for its monetary value. At one point the huge cost of building such an advanced underground place would far outweigh the value of said treasure. Some egyptologists claim that the reason no great treasures were ever found in the great pyramids was because the cost of building the pyramids themselves was astronomical at the time. That's not so hard to believe because records from ancient Rome witnesses how great building projects led to an acute shortage of gold and other valuable metals in the Roman reserves. Historically it's incredibly stupid to hide away a huge treasure when it might be needed sooner than you expect.
      History is full of examples in which people *temporarily* wanted to hide away a treasure only to retrieve it at a later date. In all of them these valuables were hidden someplace unassuming and plain, easily enough to be retrieved when the danger was over and definitely not over a longer time. During WWII the British hide away the crown jewels in a secret location, which some historians claim was in some secret bunker in the London sewers - i.e. not a place any nazi invaders would care to look for it. Ettore Bugatti in France was hellbent on not allowing any of the nazis to commander one of his (today priceless) Bugatti Royales. He owned three unsold cars (the Great Depression meant extremely few customers) and decided to have all three of them bricked up in the family home at Molsheim, France. After the war was over the walls were just torn down and the cars sold. There was another Bugatti Royale in Paris whose owner had it stored secretly in the Paris sewers. The nazis never found it.
      In my hometown a treasure of silver coins was found when an old Medieval house burned down in 1971. Once the rubble was cleared they discovered the treasure chest underneath the floor tiles. The coins were from the 16th century and minted at a time the town was under siege (by the liberation army). The person hiding the chest obviously never returned once the town was liberated and the coins discovered when the house finally burned down in 1971. The thing is that the chest was under the floor all this time and obviously were hidden to be easily retrieved at a later date. But how many did ever look under the floor of an old Medieval house which was small and mostly used for storage in later centuries?
      Pirates too sometimes dug down their loot, but did so at some place they would easily find later, which wouldn't attract anybody else and preferably so that they could enjoy the spoils while they are alive. What good is a treasure if they're all dead??
      If you're a mighty king or emperor and if you have a mighty empire then you *need the money* to finance your army or the expensive building projects of your empire. Hiding away a great treasure is self-defeating.
      So unless people in the future use the same idiot-logic as treasure hunters on the History Channel (heard of the "buried treasure" on Oak Island?) - and people who are in charge of huge projects and have the monetary might and means aren't idiots or crazy - this hypothetical scenario which you envision will never happen.
      "Will they think we are lying to them" Why would you build something incredibly advanced and then lie to people? Human nature doesn't work that way. Throughout history everything great is always talked about to emphasize their importance. The great pyramids of Giza carry the name of their pharaohs while the hieroglyphs speak about their glorious reign, how long it lasted and compares the pharaoh to a living god. The pyramids were the ultimate vanity project to make the pharaohs immortal. And they were right because these pharaohs are still known by their name some 4500 years after they died.
      The colosseum in Rome was originally called the Flavian Amphitheater because it was built during the Flavian dynasty. It only came to be known as Colosseum due to a huge statue the former emperor Nero had had made to portray him as a living god which was moved to the site of the Colosseum roughly a century later under emperor Hadrian.
      Mighty rulers liked spending their fortune on huge building projects not hiding them away.
      By contrast people have always feared and hated the underworld. It's hardly surprising all mythologies have depictions of hell being under the earth and deep underground. Take the catacombs underneath Paris for instance. There are bones from hundreds of thousands of dead people there - most of them victims from the horrible Black Death of the 14th century. Early Christians also had their catacombs and burial grounds in places the Roman persecutors wouldn't look for them. Living and being underground was seen as a life of rat or an outcast like a leper.
      Like I said: Unless people in the future come from bizarro world and have an alien logic, there's no way they won't come to the conclusions that:
      1. This place is so deep underground and entombed it's clear that whatever they buried they didn't want to retrieve at any time. They wanted it to remained sealed off forever.
      2. If this place really has great treasures then they would never have marked such a location on the surface and instead would have gone through great lengths to make sure the location looks as unassuming as possible and *not* attract any would-be treasure hunter.
      3. These warnings are so clear, repetitive and well-made it's clear they wanted to make sure we paid attention to them and stay away from whatever danger they were forced to bury - because they obviously couldn't deal with it themselves.
      I'd also say that human fear of the unknown is a far more powerful force than human curiosity. You see the fear of the unknown has held science and knowledge back for centuries. Religion has survived even to this day because too many people *don't want to know* and *don't want to find their own answers* because they fear what they might find. It's far easier to just believe that *God has a plan for you, have faith and don't question God's plan* .
      If future humans are on the level of Medieval superstition then the fear of what they don't understand will make them talk of evil spirits and horrors. They also won't have the technology to dig very deep either. And since the ground itself doesn't have valuable minerals they won't attempt primitive mining either.
      If the future humans are on the level of basic technology then the most foremost of them won't be the crazy treasure hunters on an endless wild goose chase, but driven by logic and reason. You won't see technological progress without some level of science and reason to make this possible.
      "Will they think we are lying to them, that we hid treasures in a place we proclaim to be dangerous? "
      This makes sense if you think everything we know about human behavior, human history and the many examples from history about treasures can just casually be thrown out because people in the future are complete idiots. Complete idiots didn't build the pyramids 4500 years back. Otherwise they wouldn't be so perfect in their proportions and their size.
      Ignorant people and great dreamers believe whatever they want to believe. But those are never in charge, never coerce many people to follow them and above all don't have the means to conduct any meaningful search/digging.
      "Will they think we are lying to them, that we hid treasures in a place we proclaim to be dangerous? "
      You also forgot how anybody with a tiny shred of sense will always reason:"What if it really IS a warning?? Maybe we'd better make sure what we're looking at first and think this through thoroughly before we start digging carelessly based on nothing more than a wish - with absolutely nothing to back it up no less - there might be some huge treasure hidden here."
      People weren't idiots 4500 years ago.
      Idiots don't control the world today.
      People won't be idiots in 5000-10000 years.

    • @CombineWatermelon
      @CombineWatermelon 3 года назад +6

      @@kungfucow547 dude you could have explained all that in like 2 fucking sentences

    • @lilemont9302
      @lilemont9302 2 года назад +1

      @@kungfucow547
      > People won't be idiots in 5000-10000 years.
      That's the main problem with (the) design. Humans aren't in totality idiots, but it adds up, especially on such a long time scale, that's the problem.
      But good analysis!

    • @dianaaggron134
      @dianaaggron134 2 года назад

      @@kungfucow547 "humans aren't idiots" we know the dangers of the nuclear, KNEW the dangers of nuclear, and still chose it, and continue to choose it anyway, in the name of greed and power. are you sure?

    • @The_True_Mx_Pink
      @The_True_Mx_Pink Год назад

      @dianaaggron134 Because the power of nuclear is the best source of clean green energy that we have. If we don't turn to it, we will run out of fossil fuels and poison the earth.

  • @cerroh
    @cerroh 9 лет назад +125

    I bet all the kids on RUclips in the year 4000 are going to love watching holograms of daredevils climbing around it and trying to get inside.

    • @jinglejangle1533
      @jinglejangle1533 3 года назад +6

      Howzit bein @çęæ§ fellowhood, today we are gonna be climbing this creepy mountain of spike to see whats on top of it

    • @2milo23
      @2milo23 3 года назад +4

      Its gonna be a clickbait thumbnail and the video style is similar to those urban explorer channels

  • @joeclark1893
    @joeclark1893 2 года назад +19

    The basic message chills me to the core, it sounds like the final message of an alien civilization who were wiped out by a cosmic monster beyond our understanding

  • @mikechannel5582
    @mikechannel5582 3 года назад +52

    I actually would like a sci-fi novel written about future civilizations finding this, interpreting it, and going in anyway...you know, like some humans or other beings will inevitably do

    • @lilemont9302
      @lilemont9302 2 года назад +7

      The goal would be that it's not possible unless you have huge organisation(if civilisation collapses)- and by the time small groups can do it, hopefully they'll be able to decipher everything/already know what it's about.

  • @kainevittulainen
    @kainevittulainen 7 лет назад +117

    I don't know why (I mean I do but I can't explain it) but the concept art and warning messages make me really scared

    • @Celphtitled585
      @Celphtitled585 5 лет назад +20

      Kyle Uchiha that means it’s doing what it’s intended to do

    • @Monarch_Prime
      @Monarch_Prime 4 года назад +12

      Its working all right
      Which means it might work for future generations

    • @kungfucow547
      @kungfucow547 3 года назад +11

      @@Monarch_Prime What is true for humans since the dawn of time and also has a scary/annoying/ugly effect on chimps will work as long as humans are a carbon based life form. Some shapes such as sharp thorns, rough edges and asymmetric, bizarre looking and ugly forms repel everybody and makes them feel uneasy and sick. By nature humans (and animals for that matter) like inviting, organic shapes and if they're somewhat civilized they like nice, clean, symmetric shapes. Hence why the pyramids were so fascinating for 4500 years. The pyramids convey the idea of great organization, perfect planning and an elegant solution.
      But imagine a landscape of sharp and hostile looking shapes which make absolutely no sense? People will just feel that they convey some chaos or were made by some utterly strange or evil creatures so who knows what other evil is there?
      If one is familiar to the fact a lot of people are openly hostile to "modern architecture" with asymmetric shapes because they stick out like a sore thumb as is an "assault on the senses" , while they love "classic architecture" with "warm, elegant style" it's fair to say that our tastes are in our genetic heritage.
      Therefore it's not so hard to imagine that we can design a landscape that is utterly repulsive, ugly, chaotic and uninviting for everybody who comes across it. If people can't make any sense of something they see they feel uneasy, repulsed and fear it.
      Primitive people (no technology) will reason:"No gods can have made this, no humans can have made this, it's just like nothing we've ever seen before. This whole place just reeks of ugly and evil. Must be some evil spirits. It gives us the creeps. Let's get the h*ll out of here."
      Civilized people (with technology) will reason:"Humans made this place intentionally chaotic and repulsive to scare primitive beings away but to serve as a marker and warning to us. It appears as if they truly put a huge effort into this so there's definitely something here which is dangerous.Why else would they build something so disgusting and nausea-inducing?
      If it is possible already or if they develop this technology in the future I'd make sure the concrete structures have a high level of sulphur in them which will make the whole place stink like hell too even as the structures slowly erode with the millennia. Sulfur conveys a rotten smell.
      If possible create some cavities which will make the wind play annoying and ugly sounds too as it blows through these cavities.
      A total assault on the senses will always make people feel disgusted and scared.

    • @Monarch_Prime
      @Monarch_Prime 3 года назад +10

      @@kungfucow547 if they could build a tower that made the wind sound as if it was whispering it would be creepy af

    • @Trekov1
      @Trekov1 3 года назад

      good.

  • @KeyLimeAllaTime
    @KeyLimeAllaTime 3 года назад +37

    This video has stuck with me since i first saw it 7 years ago. It's so humbling to remember how small we are in the scale of the universe, and yet how we've still managed to create something so dangerous. Well done. A haunting and mesmerizing video.

    • @TheJackRayner
      @TheJackRayner Год назад +2

      I also think about this video often and regale it to others regularly; the concept is mind bending to me. Similarly saw it when it came out lol. Funny how some stuff just sticks with you.

  • @colorado841
    @colorado841 3 года назад +34

    3:13 Future archaeologists looking at this site: "hum not sure what this means but.....from this message we can guess that the letter "I" is somehow very connected to this site as it is highlighted....we should investigate this further..."

  • @tombacon
    @tombacon  11 лет назад +15

    Yeah they did! I really wish they'd have gone for one of the more foreboding designs. Thank you SO MUCH for becoming a patron! Your pledge is very generous :D

  • @thatoneKatherine
    @thatoneKatherine 11 лет назад +10

    I found this beyond fascinating...humanity is an odd progression, isn't it? Thanks for posting this, Tom!

  • @LilyPaigeElliott
    @LilyPaigeElliott 11 лет назад +25

    This scares me for some reason

    • @qdaniele97
      @qdaniele97 2 года назад +2

      Good. It means their designs and messages are working and cause the desired sense of uneasiness and eerie discomfort they were looking for.

  • @mapleloonie3888
    @mapleloonie3888 2 года назад +3

    still funny how no matter how intelligent the people they can't think of the possibility of just drawing a face utterly melting in screaming pain to convey danger instead of the truly terror inspiring "I just bit a lemon" icon.

    • @lilemont9302
      @lilemont9302 2 года назад

      Yeah, they need to draw that next to a body too, so it's a decapitated head.

  • @AugustTheStag
    @AugustTheStag 3 года назад +4

    The humility in the message is astounding

  • @RonyPlayer
    @RonyPlayer 11 лет назад +10

    I'm not sure this will work.
    Imagine if we discovered a similar construction, from an ancient civilization. Would we really acknowledge their message and leave the place alone, or would we shrug it of as some king of superstitious nonsense and start digging?

    • @illeatthat
      @illeatthat 2 года назад

      Like every ancient monument we've encountered already

  • @tombacon
    @tombacon  11 лет назад +5

    Definitely! I could see it becoming a tourist attraction. I'd love to visit it!

  • @JasonArmond
    @JasonArmond 11 лет назад +1

    I think it's way more interesting from a fantasy/sci-fi point of view to think that prehistoric cultures did something similar. What if places like Stonehenge are markers of something horrible and ancient that time has forgotten about? That might make a decent book.

  • @MollyBlueDawn
    @MollyBlueDawn 11 лет назад +1

    I can imagine an anthology of science fiction stories about possible futures which involve people finding this place and trying to understand what it is and what it means to them. Of course, the desired response "Let's just leave that alone, shall we?" wouldn't make much of a story.
    I can just see the future archaeologists thinking "I wonder if this is related to the same culture which created the Clock of the Long Now?"

  • @warewolf435
    @warewolf435 11 лет назад

    You can never take the survival of knowledge for granted. As an example, the library of Alexandria is considered to have been the greatest repository of ancient knowledge of anywhere during it's time, and very safe. Yet, one invasion later and humanity was out a whole lot of it's progress.
    Yes, we have better recording equipment, but it doesn't mean we can just assume the knowledge will survive.

  • @robothunter1035
    @robothunter1035 Год назад

    Thanks for the video! I'm a teacher, and I use this video often in my class to teach my students about thinking critically about language.

  • @joshuatamayo6151
    @joshuatamayo6151 11 лет назад +7

    sends chills to the back of my spine, man. it fits the video. btw, absolutely love this one.

  • @jamesking2439
    @jamesking2439 11 лет назад +4

    Damn, all those warnings remind me of the warnings that make adventurers more curious in movies.

  • @katienicoleTV
    @katienicoleTV 11 лет назад +4

    I just got chills from this! Really enjoyed the video.

  • @tombacon
    @tombacon  11 лет назад +5

    Yeah there's a few interesting articles on the subject floating around. Let me know if you find it, I'd like to read it!

  • @tombacon
    @tombacon  11 лет назад

    Glad you liked it! A berm is kind of like a prism of earth. In this situation it kind of acts like an inverse moat, where instead of a ditch it's a mound.

  • @kevinocta9716
    @kevinocta9716 11 лет назад +3

    This gives me a weird and awesome feeling, Very thought provoking. Thank you.

  • @kyeperera7558
    @kyeperera7558 4 года назад

    Any time humanity finds something dangerous the first thought of any government who is aware of said danger is "Can we weaponize this?". Can't see that changing in the next 10,000 years. Would be nice if it did change though.

  • @kidv2
    @kidv2 11 лет назад +1

    Real interesting post, I remember reading an article about that many years ago but it wasn't as throughout as your video. Kind of scary actually, hope the message will get passed

  • @FloralDinosaur
    @FloralDinosaur 11 лет назад

    I think this is the decided course not because it is the most effective method of getting rid of the stuff for ten thousand years, but because it has this romance about it. It distracts people from the horrible foreboding feelings and burdens of guilt and shame, replacing it with a sense of wonder and imagination.

  • @dylanking9738
    @dylanking9738 2 года назад

    What’s so cryptic is the implication. A society even this far in the future would still have our scientific knowledge. So this only makes sense if it’s for a reverted society after some massive collapse

  • @planterspeanut22
    @planterspeanut22 11 лет назад

    The reason it is so hard to read the 600 year old is because the amount of literate people was limited, now a lot of people are literate which would allow our text to live on

  • @staytheknight
    @staytheknight 2 года назад

    We were able to decipher hyroglphics because of the Rosetta Stone. We should also include the warning in several different languages in hopes that in the future there will still be some people who can be understand at least one of them.
    My personal favorite idea is the “atomic priesthood” that would be very interesting to see where that goes in the future

    • @rankyra
      @rankyra 2 года назад +1

      Why wouldn't they include an easily recognizable series of images: man digging with shovel, man opening something with the radioactive symbol, man dying terrible death. They could even then show how metal objects like the shovel would also kill as they were exposed to the radiation.

  • @PrenticeNeto
    @PrenticeNeto 11 лет назад

    Why this video doesn't have at least hundreds of thousands of views?

  • @kungfucow547
    @kungfucow547 3 года назад +2

    Design granite markers with large inscriptions and illustrations which are repeated all over the place. Everybody will understand that it's very important then. Even with many thousands of years of erosion these granite carvings will remain visible. In order for people to read the illustrations in correct order, just mark them with I for 1, II for 2, III for 3 and IIII for 4. Even utterly illiterate people will know that holding up four fingers is more than holding up three, two or just one and hence they come in the order if I, II, III and IIII. Even kids counting with the fingers on one hand can understand the order. Ancient people counted using the fingers one hand and used the thumb to count them.
    With simple illustrations even kids can understand one doesn't have to worry what language people in the distant future speak.
    I. Normal looking man standing over ground with the nuclear waste deep underground, marked by the nuclear symbol.
    II. Normal looking man begins to dig or drill in said ground.
    III. Sick looking man breaks open the nuclear containment. The faces of other people screaming in pain and despair.
    IV. People lying dead on the ground with the sign of dangerous nuclear waste hovering all over them.
    This illustration will make any people understand if they dig in this place whatever is sealed off into the underground will then become free and kill them all. The screams on the faces of people will make them understand it's a horrible fate. And if they're civilized they'll also realize that the reason it's buried so deep underground is because it must be very dangerous and whoever built it did it solely to keep it isolated at any cost.
    The nuclear waste danger symbol should be depicted on all dead bodies too. This means that whether future people interpret that as some poison, lethal gas, dangerous germ, some plague or even some evil spirits they certainly won't rask setting whatever dangerous deep underground free. There should be depiction of dead animals too meaning that this thing is deadly to everything living not just humans.

    • @lilemont9302
      @lilemont9302 2 года назад +1

      Adding onto that: maybe leave a bunch of bones around? I haven't seen this, but it makes sense, did I miss something obvious?

  • @tombacon
    @tombacon  11 лет назад +2

    Thanks! Haha yeah, hopefully they'll know enough about our time to know that we thought we knew what we were talking about. Although, I would be very surprised if by the year 12000 we haven't worked out a way to make radioactive material entirely inert, making the facility obsolete.

  • @SeraphimKnight
    @SeraphimKnight 11 лет назад

    1. It would cost a RIDICULOUS amount of money to send all that stuff to space (it's around $4,729 USD per pound)
    2. If we shoot it randomly, it might come back to earth and fall in a radioactive rain that would cover thousands of kilometers... Not exactly something you would wish for.

  • @jeaninemccarthy7411
    @jeaninemccarthy7411 11 лет назад

    Loved the video, Tom. I can't help fearing that people of the future will think we were hiding treasure or something else valuable (despite the messages that say the exact opposite!) I imagine them thinking we were trying to use psychological tricks to keep them from unearthing it. Sort of like the idea of the tombs of the pharaohs being cursed. That didn't stop robbers from desecrating them. Except this "curse" is radioactively real and deadly as heck!

  • @rampant1apart
    @rampant1apart 11 лет назад +1

    Wow, this is immensely scary stuff. Could you point me in the direction of some of your sources? I believe you, but I find it terribly interesting and would love to go some further reading.
    But seriously, we're making our own forbidden land with scary architecture and screaming faces and we are just hoping future civilizations will ignore it. How messed up is that?

  • @jessiemayfield6749
    @jessiemayfield6749 5 лет назад +2

    Actually if I saw all that and couldn't read English I'd think it was a ancient Temple and be very interested in going in

  • @the1exnay
    @the1exnay 11 лет назад +2

    what i think is going to happen: someone is going to look at this and think of it kind of like old tombs today, a place of adventure where indiana jones type people go, instead of a place of respect for the deceased like it used to be. so people will go exploring and they will try to get in it. or alteratively we will find a way to make good use of the radioactive waste and will dig it up and use it as a fuel source

  • @KingThrillgore
    @KingThrillgore 2 года назад

    This entire thing is a great way to convince future civilizations that in fact, something interesting is there.
    Onkalo has the right idea: Make it boring.

  • @jmarkinman
    @jmarkinman 11 лет назад

    I believe more than 90% of that waste is actually recyclable into more energy. We have trouble predicting the weather in 7 days, I'm wondering if they can predict the potential asteroid impact or large scale earthquake that will likely happen as our continents continue to shift. And did we heed the warnings of Tutankhamun? Why should we expect other future explorers to heed ours?

  • @SPadventurOUS
    @SPadventurOUS 11 лет назад +1

    i love this! they def. consulted archaeologists on this.

  • @Son0fHobs
    @Son0fHobs 11 лет назад +1

    Except now we have digital, videos, translation tools galore, and the internet. However, I think this is far more in the case that there's a semi-world war and things don't get preserved/passed down effectively. Then it would be more relevant.

  • @BriggsA
    @BriggsA Год назад

    "Wow, this place looks super honourable.
    I hope there are some valuable things here.
    I hope some cool deeds are esteemed here!"

  • @KAIDAX
    @KAIDAX 4 года назад +1

    Radiation: I AM THE DANGER!

  • @1lucasgrange
    @1lucasgrange 11 лет назад +1

    I remember watching a documentary on a similar site in Onkalo, Finland, and it got me to write a little short story about someone discovering this place years later.
    And I always worry that human curiosity would always get the better of our descendants. I mean look at how quick we were to break into the pyramids, despite all warnings.

    • @lilemont9302
      @lilemont9302 2 года назад

      To be entirely fair, these warning are a lot more good faith and thought out.

  • @maddiemoate
    @maddiemoate 11 лет назад

    also, whats a berm?

  • @sagitta98
    @sagitta98 2 года назад

    I could imagine a RPG game where you play as a group of treasure hoarder many thousand years in the future when humanity reset back to the middle age.

  • @denniscampbell3604
    @denniscampbell3604 2 года назад

    I live relatively close to this I've learned that it exists yet a d2 video comment got me here and learned more than anything else

  • @thebuilder5271
    @thebuilder5271 Год назад +1

    Imagine the tiktok challenges in 5022 with kids trying to get in 💀

  • @tombacon
    @tombacon  11 лет назад +1

    It's just some production music that comes bundled with Final Cut Studio, it's called I Would Cross the Ocean :)

  • @BrienMalone
    @BrienMalone 11 лет назад

    I agree with the final word of the video. Increasing warnings will only serve to increase intrigue. Increasing information as you approach the danger is like baiting a trap.

  • @warewolf435
    @warewolf435 11 лет назад

    Actually it does, just not in the way you wanted. Literally, that's all we can do; hope people who are determined enough to get past the oppressive atmosphere will also be interested enough to look at the incredibly visible, very big markings and any casual explorers will be creeped out and leave.

  • @warewolf435
    @warewolf435 11 лет назад

    They hope the foreboding architecture will be enough to creep out casual explorers enough to stay away from it, and that anyone more serious about explanation will pay attention to the markings .

  • @manusairsoft6359
    @manusairsoft6359 2 года назад +1

    Lads, we know for a fact if we found an ancient Egyptian crypt that said "Do not enter, death awaits" or something, you know damn well we're gonna open that up 😂

  • @Deleted_Animator
    @Deleted_Animator Месяц назад

    Ngl, i think the best option is still the human skull.
    The skull barely has changed in years and is still seen as a symbol of death to this day as it was a few hundred years ago. After all, if you saw a place you had no idea what it was with a blood red skull drawing, would you go in?

  • @no_good_bruh9673
    @no_good_bruh9673 3 года назад +2

    Oh no, we ARE the elderich horror!!!

  • @evertchin
    @evertchin 11 лет назад

    I think the future people might be more interested to dig further if it is that well designed. Just like we how we love to explore ancient graveyard and pyramids.

  • @PocketBeemRocket
    @PocketBeemRocket 11 лет назад +1

    I remember years ago when they started the Yucca Mountain burial site that they wanted to carve into a cliff face Van Gogh's Scream. Well, I hope THAT would get the message across to stay away.

  • @JasonArmond
    @JasonArmond 11 лет назад

    Brilliant. While watching this my imagination reveled in the idea that prehistoric civilizations that came before us may have left something similar.

  • @warewolf435
    @warewolf435 11 лет назад

    Either way doesn't make too much of a difference, considering the end result is the same. The physical side of the internet is actually very fragile, and while the actual web itself isn't fragile, is not, it is also not impervious either.

  • @YanYanicantbelievethistakenffs

    I am absolutely testing if someone would check this place out in a dnd game.
    I will send the warning word for word and see if they still investigate.

  • @theoriginalop
    @theoriginalop 2 года назад

    Imo they made the danger sound like a movie plot with all the explanation. Just say its a dangerous energy all that stuff about it not being a place of honor is just going to make people MORE interested.

  • @maddiemoate
    @maddiemoate 11 лет назад +1

    This was incredibly interesting!

  • @tombacon
    @tombacon  11 лет назад

    Yeah I think that was one of the very first ideas on the subject. The problem with that is that the skull and crossbones is a relatively new symbol, and we don't know what it could mean in the future.

  • @drumstix1312
    @drumstix1312 11 лет назад

    I don't know, mate. That warning does sound tempting. I mean, it is all mysterious, humans are pretty curious about those type of things. Even I would want to see what is inside.

  • @metronome23
    @metronome23 11 лет назад

    the bonus was amusing! but the rest was rather scary...

  • @dgallagher55
    @dgallagher55 11 лет назад

    Wow you are human. I didn't think you ever messed up. It's okay tho, you are absolutely adorable when you mess up.

  • @sutyerator
    @sutyerator 11 лет назад

    Amen.

  • @seekingabsolution1907
    @seekingabsolution1907 3 года назад

    Just make a bunch of stories and create an oral history, it is one of the most surefire ways to keep knowledge inside a culture.

    • @lilemont9302
      @lilemont9302 2 года назад

      For 1000 years? Sure. But 11 000 years? Almost no oral cultures have survived that long. But there are attempts at this through trying to create an atomic priesthood, "Don't Change Color, Kitty"(a plan to modify cats to change color when in contact with radiation and to make people remember), etc.

  • @tombacon
    @tombacon  11 лет назад

    Thanks! The area itself at ground level is ok, it's only dangerous if they dig there. The information center is in the middle of the site, directly above the waste buried safely DEEEP underground. And I am ALL for having a cafe there!

  • @revolutionsquared1
    @revolutionsquared1 2 года назад

    I recently got really interested in this topic. this video was really cool!

  • @thenewsunderneath
    @thenewsunderneath 11 лет назад

    this video was mentioned on the pbsideachannel!

  • @crazyphysicsguy
    @crazyphysicsguy 11 лет назад

    Stonehenge is an ancient observatory.

  • @tombacon
    @tombacon  11 лет назад

    I think it was just the way the image rendered. I don't think it has any significance, when it's engraved I think it'll be just like any other letter

  • @austinshanghai
    @austinshanghai 11 лет назад

    That's what I was thinking. This whole premise has the makings of a good book.

  • @Simoalx
    @Simoalx 11 лет назад

    See if you can get hold of Into Eternity and have a watch, it's a superb documentary about a similar thing in Finland. Goes into crazy detail, and the filmography is fantastic

  • @GodsFavoriteBassPlyr
    @GodsFavoriteBassPlyr 11 лет назад

    You should watch a little movie called "Idiocracy". It was billed as a comedy.. but sadly, it is more like a documentary.

  • @Honorasaur
    @Honorasaur 11 лет назад

    the big spiky things looked so cool whoa

  • @tombacon
    @tombacon  11 лет назад

    Thanks! Yeah there's a lot of interesting information on the subject out there. Let's hope we get it right

  • @tombacon
    @tombacon  11 лет назад

    Yeah I think the design will probably still change a fair bit before they build it but they've got the bones of it now at least. I can very easily see the site becoming a tourist attraction!

  • @tombacon
    @tombacon  11 лет назад +1

    Yeah I expect in a hundred years or so (maybe even less) well find a way to make all that waste useful and we'll dig it up again. We're not going to make it easy for ourselves though, it's going to be encased in rock!

  • @DavidBerg
    @DavidBerg 11 лет назад

    If WE discovered a mysterious construct with foreboding architecture and messages we couldn't understand, what do you think we'd do? POKE AT IT. Counting on a decline in human curiosity in the coming millennia strikes me as a bad bet.
    ...though I guess the fortress of spikes would at least assuage modern-day guilt in a "can't say we didn't warn you!" kind of way.

  • @Infinitiely
    @Infinitiely 11 лет назад

    Very interesting, planning for thousands of years in the future makes me think that we are ancient civilization. I would give anything to visit that future for a day given something smart is still living here.

  • @tombacon
    @tombacon  11 лет назад +1

    Always a pleasure :)

  • @MadamFoogie
    @MadamFoogie 3 года назад

    My choice is the field of thorns. But how do you make something like that last so long?

  • @jpmusson
    @jpmusson 11 лет назад

    I'm debating how irresponsible it'd be to shoot the waste into space.

  • @dewfall56
    @dewfall56 4 дня назад

    They are forgetting the likely case of Idiocracy.

  • @West_Coast_Mainline
    @West_Coast_Mainline Год назад +1

    Glowing cats

  • @Lutranereis
    @Lutranereis 11 лет назад

    Yes, I got that from watching the video. Still doesn't address my concerns.

  • @moppypuppy781
    @moppypuppy781 2 года назад

    It won't work, it will have the opposite effect. Anyone who has curiosity knows this.

  • @peesemould
    @peesemould 11 лет назад

    I agree.

  • @o0professional0o
    @o0professional0o 11 лет назад

    Thanks for the video

  • @JasonArmond
    @JasonArmond 11 лет назад

    It makes you think...
    I love stuff that makes you think! Thanks again for the video.

  • @tombacon
    @tombacon  11 лет назад

    omg Raven how was I not subscribed to you?? Fixed that now. Thanks! Glad you like it :) See you in like TWO WEEKS!

  • @tombacon
    @tombacon  11 лет назад

    Yeah apparently it's not all that uncommon for satellites to fall out of the sky. Nuclear satellites falling out of the sky sounds like a very bad thing

  • @ThreeThreeThree333E
    @ThreeThreeThree333E 11 лет назад

    by the way i like the scary graphics showing the things to warn the children of the future.
    by the way kudos sir to a good video. i like the thorn feild myself.
    also do you like final cut? im trying to get into vid makeing. :)