All pipelines should be inspected by outside companies. We do this for bridges. No pipeline should be allowed without cathodic protection. This is not rocket science...
I live in Wisconsin and the great lakes are so important to our economy, environment, and overall industry. If something like an oil spill were to happen, it would be a catastrophe not only for the northern states, but for Canada and the rest of America for generations to come. This worries me so much...
There are double-hull oil tankers, but they can't lay a special pipe to protect the environment and vital resources? Yeah, their oil distribution **must** be stopped through legal means, until they can do that (whatever's the technology needed).
As someone who lives in Chicago right off lake michican, I can confirm that it's like living off an ocean. The lakes are huge. I didn't know we had oil lines underneath them. It would be catastrophic if there was an oil spill in the great lakes.
Maurice, stick to selling Crack, oil pipelines are safe....these libtards like to shut anything oil related down as they think their electric cars are much safer....however they are much worse.
Pipe can last almost indefinitely if it's taken care of properly. Engineers in the 50's and 60's also tended to be pretty conservative in their calculations so 50 years may have been determined using a 3x or 4x safety factor (i.e. 150-200 theoretical years of operation). So on its own you can take that statement as truth, a competent pipeline operator would be able to inspect and monitor the deterioration of the pipe and take the pipe out of service to replace when the walls thinned to their minimum allowable thickness, possibly long after it's original expected service run. Taken with the rest of the doc though it really doesn't sound like the current operator is spending the resources they need on inspections and upkeep, which I find much more concerning than using the pipe past its design life.
@ Can't speak for this particular company, but most places specifically do not allow Chinese manufactured steel for the specific reasons you listed. Material is usually triple stamped for quality and is assembled using certified welders. I don't work on DOT pipelines but imagine they are pretty close to API standards. To your second point, all the problems mentioned can be accounted for with proper inspection (i.e. smart pigs) and maintenance of the pipe. Not to say that this is the case, the safety record presented in the video is questionable but it is possible to operate this span reliably and safely if they get their act together and develop a replacement plan
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@@eddiehidani3683 This research paper is ancient (2012) but one can extrapolate the facts in it to be worse in the next seven years to now, www.propublica.org/article/pipelines-explained-how-safe-are-americas-2.5-million-miles-of-pipelines
They found in the gulf that bacteria eats oil, so the spills are constantly cleaning themselves up. Oil is NATURAL, and it seeps all over. Without a mechanism, the top of the ocean would be covered with oil.
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@Kaia Voss Unless it's the Exxon Vadez single hulled oil barge piloted by a drunk sleepy captain. Wouldn't want to be bird covered in unrefined crude getting washed with Dawn. How in God's name would a lawsuit and fine and "remediation" ever compensate? In.Sannity.
Simple solution to the pending catastrophic disaster. Stop pumping oil through them. Replace them with a permanent solution. for goodness sake, these pipelines have earned their costs back 100's of times. But they will never do that. Money always trumps public safety and ecological survival.
@@deusexaethera I should think that replacing the two lines with modern equivalents, of a much better construction & a more stable installation, would be the logical way to go. By the company's own admission, there are sections of unsupported lines on the lake bed. Surely that is outside the remit of the original spec. As for: " Few functional structures in the world are more reliable than pipelines."...then why have there been so many failures recently of those in a less hostile environment than the lake bed? I find it scary when their PR Spokesman says: "At the first sign, we would replace them"..... I rather think the "first sign" would indicate it is too late.
They would lose way more money if they had a spill than if they maintained the pipelines. Not to mention possible legal issues, and especially PR problems. I suspect some environmental activists would rather not have pipelines at all, so they slander the company to try and get everyone against them. However it does seem that Enbridge is not maintaining the pipeline based on what I've seen from different sources.
The FPV Life And what would happen to Enbridge after that? They could just continue doing business as usual just without credit? I find it hard to believe they would get off completely scot-free.
I was going to make a satirical comment but yeah this is terrible. I wish the energy from the current that is destroying these pipeline was being converted into electricity with low speed turbines.
Have they not replaced this yet? My girlfriend and I just went on vacation to Mackinac Island and now Im seeing this on RUclips.... The Great Lakes are so gorgeous. I cant believe they would put a pipline through them... Fucking Oil companies man
@@RobertBarnes-bj7fk Nope. Still there. Replacing them offers zero incentive to Enbridge. Although the State should fund a large percentage of it since residence have more at stake.
The pipelines ARE being replaced with a tunnel. The existing lines are continually inspected with an inspection gauge and are in good condition. The wall thickness of the underwater portion is one inch thick.
@@earnieeveridge the great lakes are beautiful and a huge source of fresh water the pipeline should have never been allowed in the first place they don't have a very good safety record the had a line rupture near Marshall Michigan putting thousands of gallons of crude oil in the Kalamazoo river which emptys into lake Michigan
Thank you so much for bringing this to attention. In Minnesota we are fighting for our last natural resources. The boundary waters is about to be irreversibly damaged by sulfide mining. This is the most visited natural area in the USA. The waters of the boundary waters all flow together there are hundreds of lakes that will be polluted in this pristine area of wilderness. Take a minute to look at save the boundary waters website and sign the petition to keep Minnesota clean.
At least corrosion isn't a huge concern for the Great Lakes. Yeah the pipes are old but the lake water is so cold and since it's freshwater the pipes are preserved pretty well.
The great lakes are the most precious things that we have here in North America that both the states and Canada should strive to protect and not let the greedy corporations get their hands on it in the name of a quick dollar.
the governments won't do anything about it. Otherwise they won't receive the friendly monitary donations from such companies next year. thats the beauty oft democraty with lobbyism
+Jeff K thank you, at least somebody has noticed that corporations have completely taken over not just our country, but our election process and our entire financial system. There's about 7 major corporations that own and produce everything in this country through proprietary companies they own or subsidiary companies overseas. They are currently on the verge of complete control over every aspect of our lives, once we relinquish control things will change for the worse.
Yes, and people are complaining about her entertaining thoughts of shutting it down and replacing it before it ends up being another disaster to clean up. Everyone with property along the shoreline in that area should be concerned.
wdthrage__ I agree totally. Wars will not be the eventual destruction of America. It will be these rich companies who write payroll checks to ease the conscience of the people they employ, even as the companies threaten the lives of their children. I remember when the Cayauga River caught on fire from pollution. I do not want to see the same thing happen to the Great Lakes.
I love it how they talk a problem to death but not a single idea to fix it. Like, demand a yearly inspection of all pipes using an internal tool that scans thickness for erosion and ultrasound for the welds. It's not that hard. Then replace any defects.
Mr. White, renewables are providing more jobs than oil and coal by a ratio of 5:1, and are the fastest growing job providing industry in the U.S., especially solar. Get real, oil is incredibly dirty as a pollutant and as its emissions are terrible for our atmosphere and oceans. Oil provides less jobs and more dangerous jobs than renewables, don't stick to stupid out of tradition. Fossil fuels and combustion technology (aside from rockets) are heading the way of the steam engine and horse and buggy. Renewable energy is the future.
I believe you Carl, this enbridge has some “smooth talkers” for doing the public relations!! I don’t believe them, they got caught in their own web of deception
what the fuck? I live in cheboygan right next to Indian river and I work in Mackinaw city within a view of the Mackinaw bridge from work and I've never heard of this pipeline.
Frightening isn't it? Enbridge knows the condition of the line/s. Amazingly they had their own ROV watching the pipeline safety advocates during their dive. It's all about the money. These companies make so much money and every day these lines are in use they are millions ahead. It's like a 5 dollar fix on an automobile that can prevent the death of a driver vs the payout amount on a lawsuit. They weigh the odds and roll with it.
***** no actually you refuse to see the big picture. Because some company is making a profit is not why they need to be shutdown. Reality is if we want to leave something worth having to our kids we need to find a better way. There is no argument about this, just people refusing to accept that reality.
***** It's more the legacy of capitalism, where companies are defined by the profit they make. It's simply inherent to a competitive (capitalistic) market to strive for the most profit possible. Things aren't made to be durable or sustainable. That's where state and global regularisation comes in to atleast "force" companies into taking certain precautions. And then greed and corruption come into play and capitalism visibly fails. Noone complains when products are designed to fail so companies don't have to worry about the aftermarket (which is another symptom of capitalism), yet this issue is just as real and devistating to the environment as the one desribed in this docu. Tl;dr: It hasn't got much to do with greed, it's how capitalism works. Any solution to this particular problem is just a bandaid that ignores the fact our entire trade system is a flawed concept.
+798unionpipeliner The bigger picture is that fossil fuels are killing the planet that we need to get off this addiction if we wish to continue and grow as a species and it is retarded to see it any other way.
It makes me sick to my stomach everytime I see something else that shows humanity's disregard for nature and planet Earth. I wish I could do more to help personally.
ronald fiscus very little grid energy comes from crude oil. That's generated from coal and natural gas. Most of the oil goes into plastics, and a huge amount of the plastics are single-use disposable crap, thr oceans are full of it, and a lot of the plastic parts found in equipment could and should be metal. Look at the toothbrush, for example. You could easily make a plastic-free toothbrush.
@Drakey Fenix Of course there are other ways. You can walk, ride a bicycle, ride a horse. Without oil, we have no transportation in this country, unless you don’t mind going slow. And some of the power on the grid is from oil, though it’s a minor portion, but that doesn’t matter for transportation, because we don’t have electric trains here, the only grid-powered means of getting around.
This frightens me. I have spent so many beautiful summers in Northern Michigan, especially Mackinaw with my family for 16 years. I look forward to going every year. I even hope to live there someday. To think that the lake that I have grown and shared memories on for years could potentially become a deadly natural disaster is horrific. There is so much under appreciated beauty there. I couldn't imagine it being covered in oil, which could take years to fully clean and recover. I don't trust a company that has had a bad spill like this in the past to do the right thing. I recently just came back from vacation in Northern Michigan this year, and visited once again along the shores of the Mackinaw Bridge. To think that I was standing at that rocky shore just near the pipe that could potentially destroy an iconic and beautiful memory of mine makes me sad. I really do hope in my heart that this disaster will not happen.
They now require oil tankers to have double hulls so they should require oil pipelines in and around waterways to be double piped. A smaller pipe inside a larger one with a vacuum between them, if there is a pressure change they know there is a leak.
You can't do a vacuum between the two pipes it would need too much maintenance and power to constantly pump the vacuum but you don't need one you can just put presser sensors between inner and out pipe and if the inner breaks the presser in the outer would increase.
It's insane that we can let this company put at risk such an important source of fresh water. That the governments themselves don't even have regulatory guidelines for pipeline safety and maintenance is unreal.
Here's an idea, and I may be crazy but why not take that money allocated to repair the damage from a spill and use it to build a new pipe line across the lake!? Why wait for it to break? I know we need oil so its pointless to pretend like we don't but this is clearly something that needs to be fixed and sooner than later.
Brandon Mckenzie except for electricity has clearly been proven better. Look at a team's. Your argument has no ground on it. Drilling for oil however not only fucks up our environment through a million different applications, but it also destroys our planet internally. Do you people not realize that the oil we steal from the earth took millions of years to become what it is for a reason and now we have sink holes and earthquakes in odd places and the core isn't getting the things it needs. We have had the technology to stop needing any kind of fuels for 100 years but you have been blinded by corporate greed. Here when these people are all gone from our planet because they used up all of its resources that we paid for and dug up for them they will leave us here to die while the planet swallows it's self.
Apparently you've never heard of or seen a 35mm slide show... Commonly done, back in the day of wet film cameras, to better display the photos one has taken.
@@SSGTru 35mm is a dry format film. I've been a photographer since the 70s and done every darkroom process other than for Kodachrome. Every wet emulsion was coated onto glass plates or sometimes onto paper, not 35mm film. By the time 35mm film was being used for still photography and not just for motion pictures, as in for slide shows, few people if any were using wet plates because they were way too cumbersome, heavy and fragile.
We are efficient not lazy. We instinctively do things as efficiently as allowed by design. Why would any creature waste valuable energy, money, and resources to do the same amount of work? They Wouldn’t. Also, the effects of all those other “spills” were of no major consequence to the environment or anything else except the pocket book of the pipeline company. The spills mentioned were less than an olympic size swimming pool worth of oil. Keep in mind that oil isn’t even that toxic of a chemical. The environment can recover relatively quickly. Look at the BP oil spill, it had very little environmental impact considering it was 4.9 million gallons of oil. It was only 2013 and any traces of the event are all but gone. So relax!
Surely they can be forced to place a new pipe line with many safety cutouts in it? Say making them use more pipes where they go under the straits so each pipe carries less oil with pressure sensors so they are immediately cut off at both ends in the event of a breach, would severely limit the amount escaping.
Asshole Google I was honestly wondering the same thing, then I realized it's most likely just to keep this channel relevant since they don't put out that many videos anymore; and the ones they do put out as of late have been short and un-interesting, as per usual with most of VICE's sub-channels.
Coal is a major part of sea temp rise and a very major reason why all the fish of the world is polluted with mercury so your comment sounds rediculous. @Phil B
Im just saying it because of there info gaps from enbridge . If ur job was to spend2 weeks every 5 years to take pictures and write on paper theres no excuse
Look at my comment pipe lazt over 50 years in the dirt before replacing . Zervicing meaning run pressure txt runing other txt and if u can visually expect the line. An no shit
Its pretty much dead the way it is now, what with all the invasive species killing the native biology. What the hell lets throw in a few billion gallons of oil and finish it off for good! Pfffffft!!!
Rose McGuinn I would even volunteer on the removal of those time bombs. I'm sure thousands of people would do it too. Thorium Nuclear Energy instead of Uraniumn to power Electric Cars is the future.
"If it isn't broke, WHY fix it...?" Pffft'! That about sums it up for this Company, (& most others in this field)... Easier and cheaper to SETTLE Lawsuits on any 'alleged' mishandling & subsequent Clean-up than it is to (just do the right thing), and replace or FIX IT! Tsk', tsk'! Shameful
Great video! Very informative. I didn't realize how old those Enbridge pipelines were because they are way before my time. Interesting though that your coverage of the impact only included the impact of the tourist industry and not on how many people in the United States that the great lakes actually feed with the life of fresh clean water. Oil we can live without. Fresh water we cannot. I'm quite sure that at the time (consider the era) these pipelines were installed no one ever considered having to 'replace/dismantle them. So there wasn't a plan too. Even in doing so you still have quite a spill.
I would like to see a feasibility study of re-routing the pipeline to the Mackinac bridge. This would allow for a new line, above water, that could be more easily inspected and not susceptible to the corrosion of being under water. There could also be a series of safety valves both at the ends of the line and at different intervals along the bridge that could be shut automatically and manually when a problem is found. I would assume computers and humans could monitor flow rates and pressure readings, and as soon as there is a discrepancy, the computer would automatically close all the valve to contain everything possible and alert to the approx. location along the line where the problem has occurred. I would think a system like this would be able to contain a line rupture immanently and lose oil in a the couple hundred gallon range as oppose to the couple million gallon range.
It’s weird seeing this documentary about your home state 😂 I’ve been across Lake Michigan more times than I can count. I worked on mackinaw island for a summer a few years back. It’s truly gorgeous up there and would hate to see a oil pipeline leak in this gorgeous place
i used to live on the shore of lake ontario and every two weeks just over the horizon with a pair of binoculars i could see a massive ship right dump a massive amout of garbage in the lake.. its disgusting.
Thanks for the video. It was interesting. - A company with enough insurance not to go bankrupt for normal spills does not necessarily mean they could remediate such an oil spill. Failing that, we do. - Municipalities get their drinking and irrigation water from the Great Lakes. We don't use municipal wells anymore and the water from them was never as good as from the Great Lakes. In many areas you couldn't just fire them up again and come anywhere close to meeting demand. Moreover, ground water has been found to be unsafe that they didn't know was unsafe before. - Oil spills are not permanently devastating, but they are a huge mess for some time, plus the tremendous amount of carbon that it adds to the water and what the algae does to flora and fauna while it is feeding off it changes everything for years. When I was little, I remember you couldn't go by the water on the beach because of the tar from a sunken tanker. The Kalamazoo river is 50 miles away so it didn't affect us, but it was/is still a mess. - Politicians don't care on either side. They are the best representation money can buy. An environmentalist will have everyone be farmers again and using out houses except them, while they fly/drive around telling everyone else about it. We can't trust either side of what we see here. We need people who will actually do the job of calculating the best strategy so the cure isn't worse than the disease.
Thanks for putting this documentary together, we could all use a bit more knowledge when it comes to the state of our world. If we can't stop oil from being transported through our lakes, at least get someone to do some proper maintenance.
Body language at 13:21 says, I’m an f’ing paid liar. If their pipelines spill into the Great Lakes, you might see some serious movement from the people. This is not a joke, these lake are so important and we need to get some major pressure on this company and our government to replace these lines.
+TheIlumin Ati Errrm... well petroleum is refined from crude oil... so we know where it comes from. And you have the definition of scientific theory incorrect.
+Cyberat Rodent That is where we have been led to believe it comes from. That does not make it the truth. Much of what we are coming to find out is in drect opposition to what we have been indoctrinated to believe
***** No one said anything about re-inventing it. My point is still valid. As far as products being made from petroleum, their is little to nothing made from the so-called fossil fuels that cannot be produced, better, more cheaply, and more environmentally friendly from Hemp. This is old tech and is well known, just not utilized. My oriignal point is we have been misled to believe the myth of scarcity and it not only applies to petroleum. These are control mechanisms...nothing more. You simply missed the point of what I said. Of course there have been technologies for nearly 100 years that make petroleum products obsolete. It is just another piece to the deception
He's not complaining about the fact that we need oil, he's complaining about the way in which these companies conduct their business. Taking short cuts, and doing half a job to save money without thinking about the consequences, or the human/ environmental costs. It's like what happened with the Grenfell fire in London (I'm from the UK). All these people lost their lives because a private company wanted to save £5000 on building materials. We live in a society run by sociopaths.
Why would the oil companies not build sensors that can detect this oil spillage when a leak occurs ? The minute this is detected double gates on each end of the pipe which would automatically close off the oil flow. This would prevent little leakage of oil from the break. Especially if they are using water ways. Another solution would be to put plastic wall liners on the inside of the pipe. If a corrosion or breakage occurs in the metal. The oil would not slip out because of this lining. Similar to the idea of double hulled oil tankers that bring oil overseas.
What happens when a company with a bad record tries to send oil through an aging pipeline? *WATCH NEXT*: _The Magnetic Wand That Cleans Oil Spills_ - bit.ly/1Mi0SZf
Lmfao voting won't do shit when no matter what $$ controls what happens and most of us don't have the money or connections to bribe our way to what needs to happen.
yeah but they can i am not saying that they just need to leave it like that i am simply saying that they cant for tho reason it isnt their pipe and if they could the would have the responsibility when it leaks because the company that owns the pipe could just say their fault it was fine before they where messing with it
If you watch the whole video and the objective evidence of the video the bias is replaced with facts refuting the oil company and supports the views of the general population and wildlife conservation.
Someone should develop technologies for decontaminating fresh water from oil spills and then charge a fortune for their product so that once this pipeline ruptures , they can make money off of it.
Someone did, and it isn't a super complicated thing. During the BP oil spill, the actor Kevin Costner was involved with a company that made centrifuges that would spin contaminated seawater and separate the oil. Not only would it clean the water, but the oil could be salvaged and used. Unfortunately, because the EPA thought it didn't do over a certain amount, the government turned down any attempts to use them to clean the spill. Instead, they just let it go and did practically nothing, ruining the economy for all those on the Gulf Coast, and wasting all that oil that could have been salvaged.
Mackinac Straits Corridor Authority (MSCA) agreement On December 19, 2018 the Michigan Department of Natural Resources announced that the Mackinac Straits Corridor Authority (MSCA), in correspondence with Rick Snyder, approved an agreement to build a multi-purpose tunnel that will house multiple utility lines. In addition, the old enbridge line 5 will be removed & a new line will be constructed. Within the agreement the MSCA approved the transfer of a property right, which allows Enbridge to construct the new tunnel in bedrock beneath the Straits of Mackinac.
WTF I had no clue about this! I’ve lived in MI for over 20 years, since I was a little kid, and I had no idea we had an oil pipeline, especially running under the Mackinaw Bridge!
Enbridge has a solution a new tunnel system that would be state of the art to protect our environment. Actually, there is a very good video on what they will build. As far a the existing pipeline it is regularly inspected by the US and Canada. That pipeline was built with 1" steel pipe walls and has never had any issues. Well-engineered some would say. If anything perhaps pushing to allow Enbridge to build the new tunnel and pipeline faster would be the best solution. It has been under study for over 3 years now. How long does it take to do studies?
What do they care? They get subsidized by the government. Hold out your hands, say you won't do it again, and then go spend it all on new equipment that'll fail again in 10 years. I fucking hate oil reps.
Not saying people don't care, because some do. But too many are complacent and just trust that people will do the right thing. One of the most telling parts of this film is the interview with the public relations guy. He can't tell a lie to save his life! NOBODY can sit here and tell me a pipeline 50+ years old is in good shape. I simply don't care what he says, or what any study says. That shit should be replaced, PRONTO! These big oil company execs don't drive to work, they are choppered in more than likely. They can afford to lay new pipeline. And shame on the gov't, city, state and federal for not protecting our natural resources. It's left up to groups funded by donations that can barely afford to flush their toilets. Unreal. I like how Bernie or bust people can get together large groups and hold protests and are able to organize like crazy. Let's start doing this for the right reasons! Let's get these pipelines out of our great lakes number one. Get REAL regulations in place. And order them to set up funds to help the wildlife that is still impacted to this day by what happened in the past. The responsibility to protect our land rests on our own shoulders. If you see something wrong, do something! and if you don't care. Please stop drinking the water, and breathing the air. That should be left for those of us who do.
Emmit the Caspian Sea is technically saltwater. A mild saltwater though. It has one third the salinity of seawater. Lake Baikal is the largest by volume not just surface area.
No one wants new pipelines but the same people don't want the old ones replaced. This documentary talks about no federal standard for requiring a company to replace a pipeline but there are also no federal standards with helping a company replace a line. Here in central Minnesota there is a line that is well past needing to be replaced and there are still state agencies holding up its replacement while they are in the middle of construction to fully replace it.
Could the pipeline beneath the water be rerouted , perhaps if it were attached to the side or underside of the bridge, it would make sense to keep it above and out of the water some how.
The only problem is that the Mackinac Bridge is designed to be slightly flexible in order to deal with the heavy winds of the Straits of Mackinac. I've read somewhere before that it's capable of swaying up to 35ft in either direction during severe weather conditions. Therefore any pipeline than runs along the bridge would have to constantly be wiggling around which would add even more wear and tear to it. I'm sure with todays engineering it could easily be done, but I think in general most of us here in Michigan simply don't want a pipeline running threw or over any of our great lakes period. The risk is simply to great when we're talking about something that could contaminate 1/5th of the Earths freshwater.
you are right we in Canada do not care about the USA and never will but that is not the issue the issue is the United States allows any one with money to do what they want. you will note I hope not once did they show a oil spill in Canada ya know why? we have strict guide lines that have to be followed. so it seem the USA has a government that only has MONEY on the mind not the well being of the people
You have to wonder how much damage could be done by dedicated terrorists here. They speak of one pipe breaking and being discovered immediately but what if terrorists broke both pipes in several locations? Wouldn't replacing this with modern materials today be far cheaper than any potential disaster? What would happen to SUPPLY if the pipeline ceased to function?
So the pipes that were supposed to be good for 50 years are now 65 tears old. Sounds like they need to start dragging new lines before they blow, common sense says.
I think it’s about time that these pipelines are raised above the water that way they are more easily watched over. This is ridiculous. I am a Wisconsin resident and am appalled by this. I never even knew that they were there.
Why wait for it to start showing signs of an issue.... If it was rated for 50 years. Just replace it at that point. Cost to put in new ones would be MUCH cheaper than trying to prevent the damages.. Plus some damage is not able to be completely repaired.
+Jeremy Trankler True, but they probably figure that, if the pipe bursts, they won't *really* be held accountable. They'll just a get little slap on the wrist. Maybe a fine of a few million dollars. Pocket change basically. And they're right. Just as they have been in the past.
+lacombar Why does it matter? They didn't say they're opposed to oil companies, did they? The problem is that Enbridge uses a poorly maintained pipeline that should have been decommissioned 30 years ago.
lacombar Yes, and one way to move it would be in a pipeline that isn't in such poor state. I fail to see how Motherboard is contributing to that problem by raising awareness about it.
Yea dont blame companies raking in billions in profit dont blame their ceos with golden parachutes dont blame their board members. Dont blame people actually lobbying congress. We should really blame all the people gassing up their used cars driving under 20 miles to their shit job living pay check to pay check got it ... thanx
Bruno Hoffmann because greed, even though it wouldn't be too expensive to run the pipe on the bridge. Same reason we still use this garbage energy source over nuclear.
At least you go into this without an agenda. At least you drove your car and flew on your plane to get there. Would you complain if it was still hauled by boat and you had to pay $5.00 a gallon.
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All pipelines should be inspected by outside companies. We do this for bridges. No pipeline should be allowed without cathodic protection. This is not rocket science...
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Private companies don't own the bridges, the government does and the government inspects its own bridges, so has that worked?
They are inspected by government agencies.
I live in Wisconsin and the great lakes are so important to our economy, environment, and overall industry. If something like an oil spill were to happen, it would be a catastrophe not only for the northern states, but for Canada and the rest of America for generations to come. This worries me so much...
These people have some very big balls leaving that ancient pipeline at the bottom of the world's largest freshwater supply...
Could go bankrupt with just one spill, agreed.
They don't give a fuck. They can afford bottled water.
@@sqeekykleen49 you see what the real plan is.
Be a shame if someone in scuba gear.. "messed" with them oil pipes.
There are double-hull oil tankers, but they can't lay a special pipe to protect the environment and vital resources? Yeah, their oil distribution **must** be stopped through legal means, until they can do that (whatever's the technology needed).
As someone who lives in Chicago right off lake michican, I can confirm that it's like living off an ocean. The lakes are huge. I didn't know we had oil lines underneath them. It would be catastrophic if there was an oil spill in the great lakes.
Maurice, stick to selling Crack, oil pipelines are safe....these libtards like to shut anything oil related down as they think their electric cars are much safer....however they are much worse.
I remember when the oil spill in the Kalamazoo river happened. To this day there is still black sludge that comes up on the bank.
What state?
Chris Terrell Michigan. Battle Creek, MI.
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I remember the one in Chrystal Falls, Michigan, also.
That was a Em bridge line to
"At the first sign, we would replace them".... really? the first sign? you mean like when they are beyond their life expectancy? I call BS!
Pipe can last almost indefinitely if it's taken care of properly. Engineers in the 50's and 60's also tended to be pretty conservative in their calculations so 50 years may have been determined using a 3x or 4x safety factor (i.e. 150-200 theoretical years of operation). So on its own you can take that statement as truth, a competent pipeline operator would be able to inspect and monitor the deterioration of the pipe and take the pipe out of service to replace when the walls thinned to their minimum allowable thickness, possibly long after it's original expected service run. Taken with the rest of the doc though it really doesn't sound like the current operator is spending the resources they need on inspections and upkeep, which I find much more concerning than using the pipe past its design life.
@ Can't speak for this particular company, but most places specifically do not allow Chinese manufactured steel for the specific reasons you listed. Material is usually triple stamped for quality and is assembled using certified welders. I don't work on DOT pipelines but imagine they are pretty close to API standards.
To your second point, all the problems mentioned can be accounted for with proper inspection (i.e. smart pigs) and maintenance of the pipe.
Not to say that this is the case, the safety record presented in the video is questionable but it is possible to operate this span reliably and safely if they get their act together and develop a replacement plan
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This research paper is ancient (2012) but one can extrapolate the facts in it to be worse in the next seven years to now,
www.propublica.org/article/pipelines-explained-how-safe-are-americas-2.5-million-miles-of-pipelines
They found in the gulf that bacteria eats oil, so the spills are constantly cleaning themselves up. Oil is NATURAL, and it seeps all over. Without a mechanism, the top of the ocean would be covered with oil.
@Kaia Voss Unless it's the Exxon Vadez single hulled oil barge piloted by a drunk sleepy captain.
Wouldn't want to be bird covered in unrefined crude getting washed with Dawn.
How in God's name would a lawsuit and fine and "remediation" ever compensate?
In.Sannity.
Simple solution to the pending catastrophic disaster. Stop pumping oil through them. Replace them with a permanent solution. for goodness sake, these pipelines have earned their costs back 100's of times. But they will never do that. Money always trumps public safety and ecological survival.
_What_ permanent solution? Few functional structures in the world are more reliable than pipelines.
Less risky solution*
@@deusexaethera
I should think that replacing the two lines with modern equivalents, of a much better construction & a more stable installation, would be the logical way to go.
By the company's own admission, there are sections of unsupported lines on the lake bed. Surely that is outside the remit of the original spec.
As for: " Few functional structures in the world are more reliable than pipelines."...then why have there been so many failures recently of those in a less hostile environment than the lake bed?
I find it scary when their PR Spokesman says:
"At the first sign, we would replace them".....
I rather think the "first sign" would indicate it is too late.
You do know in a lot of places new construction isn't allowed right? Like it or not you need oil.
maybe add a fresh casing around the pipe with an emergency valve system
big corporate owners don't care about anything but their millions or billions of dollars.
They would lose way more money if they had a spill than if they maintained the pipelines. Not to mention possible legal issues, and especially PR problems. I suspect some environmental activists would rather not have pipelines at all, so they slander the company to try and get everyone against them. However it does seem that Enbridge is not maintaining the pipeline based on what I've seen from different sources.
Adam Wojtczak yeah, you're right.
The FPV Life And what would happen to Enbridge after that? They could just continue doing business as usual just without credit? I find it hard to believe they would get off completely scot-free.
except the jobs they give us, the infrastructure they give us, the products they give us. We rely on them more than people think for the lives we live
Noah, once again, Your an idiot!!!!!
I'm watching this in 2020, these pipelines are approaching 70 years old now
I was going to make a satirical comment but yeah this is terrible. I wish the energy from the current that is destroying these pipeline was being converted into electricity with low speed turbines.
Have they not replaced this yet? My girlfriend and I just went on vacation to Mackinac Island and now Im seeing this on RUclips.... The Great Lakes are so gorgeous. I cant believe they would put a pipline through them... Fucking Oil companies man
@@RobertBarnes-bj7fk Nope. Still there. Replacing them offers zero incentive to Enbridge. Although the State should fund a large percentage of it since residence have more at stake.
The pipelines ARE being replaced with a tunnel. The existing lines are continually inspected with an inspection gauge and are in good condition. The wall thickness of the underwater portion is one inch thick.
@@TheSkidrowyachtclub citation needed
The Great Lakes are more important than what most people think
not really its an openn sewer
Yes they are 👍
@@phillipgarrow2297 it's important as a dumpster not much else
The most precious element in the universe.
@@earnieeveridge the great lakes are beautiful and a huge source of fresh water the pipeline should have never been allowed in the first place they don't have a very good safety record the had a line rupture near Marshall Michigan putting thousands of gallons of crude oil in the Kalamazoo river which emptys into lake Michigan
Thank you so much for bringing this to attention. In Minnesota we are fighting for our last natural resources. The boundary waters is about to be irreversibly damaged by sulfide mining. This is the most visited natural area in the USA. The waters of the boundary waters all flow together there are hundreds of lakes that will be polluted in this pristine area of wilderness. Take a minute to look at save the boundary waters website and sign the petition to keep Minnesota clean.
Public realations guy is a paid liar.
At least corrosion isn't a huge concern for the Great Lakes. Yeah the pipes are old but the lake water is so cold and since it's freshwater the pipes are preserved pretty well.
The great lakes are the most precious things that we have here in North America that both the states and Canada should strive to protect and not let the greedy corporations get their hands on it in the name of a quick dollar.
the governments won't do anything about it. Otherwise they won't receive the friendly monitary donations from such companies next year. thats the beauty oft democraty with lobbyism
sadly governments are run by lobbyists
Animurh
huh, I always thought they were a toxic cesspool.
Senor Heisenberg
Its not a democracy its a oligarchy.
+Jeff K thank you, at least somebody has noticed that corporations have completely taken over not just our country, but our election process and our entire financial system. There's about 7 major corporations that own and produce everything in this country through proprietary companies they own or subsidiary companies overseas. They are currently on the verge of complete control over every aspect of our lives, once we relinquish control things will change for the worse.
Is our new governor aware of this? She says she’s concerned about water.....show me
Yes, and people are complaining about her entertaining thoughts of shutting it down and replacing it before it ends up being another disaster to clean up. Everyone with property along the shoreline in that area should be concerned.
Send her a link to this video...
Think she’s a little occupied now lol
@@chanthemaniscool what happened? FL resident and too lazy to google 😔
@@HypePerformanceGroupI’m pretty ignorant on it myself but it has to do with a Whitmers funding and how she uses it.
that pipeline should be valve closed, vacuumed, and systematically disassembled. What a bunch of fecking dopes!
maintenance costs a lot of money, and shareholders don't like big expenditures.
+Alex Thompson It'd be a lot cheaper to replace the pipes compared to paying tens of billions in penalties.
wdthrage__ I agree totally. Wars will not be the eventual destruction of America.
It will be these rich companies who write payroll checks to ease the conscience of the people they employ, even as the companies threaten the lives of their children. I remember when the Cayauga River caught on fire from pollution. I do not want to see the same thing happen to the Great Lakes.
they simply increase the price shareholder divi thus also increases
+J. Clement agreed!
I love it how they talk a problem to death but not a single idea to fix it. Like, demand a yearly inspection of all pipes using an internal tool that scans thickness for erosion and ultrasound for the welds. It's not that hard. Then replace any defects.
John Knoefler
They already do that.
Its not like you can just replace parts of an underwater pipeline though :/
KindaRedneckCharles you can't, but others do.
They have no solution. These people simply want to kill the oil industry as they did with coal. Blue collar jobs and affordable energy be damned.
Mr. White, renewables are providing more jobs than oil and coal by a ratio of 5:1, and are the fastest growing job providing industry in the U.S., especially solar. Get real, oil is incredibly dirty as a pollutant and as its emissions are terrible for our atmosphere and oceans. Oil provides less jobs and more dangerous jobs than renewables, don't stick to stupid out of tradition. Fossil fuels and combustion technology (aside from rockets) are heading the way of the steam engine and horse and buggy. Renewable energy is the future.
The Kalamazoo River in Battle Creek is still dead.
2/20/2018
I believe you Carl, this enbridge has some “smooth talkers” for doing the public relations!! I don’t believe them, they got caught in their own web of deception
what the fuck? I live in cheboygan right next to Indian river and I work in Mackinaw city within a view of the Mackinaw bridge from work and I've never heard of this pipeline.
Frightening isn't it? Enbridge knows the condition of the line/s. Amazingly they had their own ROV watching the pipeline safety advocates during their dive. It's all about the money. These companies make so much money and every day these lines are in use they are millions ahead. It's like a 5 dollar fix on an automobile that can prevent the death of a driver vs the payout amount on a lawsuit. They weigh the odds and roll with it.
Profit will always be put above the cost of human life and nature. This is the legacy of greed.
***** no actually you refuse to see the big picture. Because some company is making a profit is not why they need to be shutdown. Reality is if we want to leave something worth having to our kids we need to find a better way. There is no argument about this, just people refusing to accept that reality.
***** It's more the legacy of capitalism, where companies are defined by the profit they make. It's simply inherent to a competitive (capitalistic) market to strive for the most profit possible. Things aren't made to be durable or sustainable. That's where state and global regularisation comes in to atleast "force" companies into taking certain precautions. And then greed and corruption come into play and capitalism visibly fails. Noone complains when products are designed to fail so companies don't have to worry about the aftermarket (which is another symptom of capitalism), yet this issue is just as real and devistating to the environment as the one desribed in this docu.
Tl;dr: It hasn't got much to do with greed, it's how capitalism works. Any solution to this particular problem is just a bandaid that ignores the fact our entire trade system is a flawed concept.
***** Apply Same To Nuclear Cartel Of Murderers
+LDN EDD America is looking more communist everyday!
+798unionpipeliner The bigger picture is that fossil fuels are killing the planet that we need to get off this addiction if we wish to continue and grow as a species and it is retarded to see it any other way.
It makes me sick to my stomach everytime I see something else that shows humanity's disregard for nature and planet Earth. I wish I could do more to help personally.
Better stop depending on that oil, otherwise these pipes aren't going anywhere.
Better stop driving or riding the bus anywhere and turn all the lights of in your house and stop watching this video
There are ofcourse other ways and you know this.
ronald fiscus renewable energy??
ronald fiscus very little grid energy comes from crude oil. That's generated from coal and natural gas.
Most of the oil goes into plastics, and a huge amount of the plastics are single-use disposable crap, thr oceans are full of it, and a lot of the plastic parts found in equipment could and should be metal.
Look at the toothbrush, for example. You could easily make a plastic-free toothbrush.
@Drakey Fenix
Of course there are other ways. You can walk, ride a bicycle, ride a horse. Without oil, we have no transportation in this country, unless you don’t mind going slow. And some of the power on the grid is from oil, though it’s a minor portion, but that doesn’t matter for transportation, because we don’t have electric trains here, the only grid-powered means of getting around.
This frightens me. I have spent so many beautiful summers in Northern Michigan, especially Mackinaw with my family for 16 years. I look forward to going every year. I even hope to live there someday. To think that the lake that I have grown and shared memories on for years could potentially become a deadly natural disaster is horrific. There is so much under appreciated beauty there. I couldn't imagine it being covered in oil, which could take years to fully clean and recover. I don't trust a company that has had a bad spill like this in the past to do the right thing.
I recently just came back from vacation in Northern Michigan this year, and visited once again along the shores of the Mackinaw Bridge. To think that I was standing at that rocky shore just near the pipe that could potentially destroy an iconic and beautiful memory of mine makes me sad.
I really do hope in my heart that this disaster will not happen.
when he interviewed the guy in charge the man couldnt look him in the eyes. this is one of the
several clear examples of when someone is lying
They now require oil tankers to have double hulls so they should require oil pipelines in and around waterways to be double piped. A smaller pipe inside a larger one with a vacuum between them, if there is a pressure change they know there is a leak.
I like your idea. So sensible.
That’s a really good idea actually!! Plus having the double pipe would slow the corrosion of the inner(thru which oil flows). You got an Instagram?
Dee Ludy What good is slowing the inner pipe corrosion if the outer pipe corrodes?
Pipeline must eventually be replaced. It's not permanent. More durable pipeline with greater damage tolerance is a very good idea.
You can't do a vacuum between the two pipes it would need too much maintenance and power to constantly pump the vacuum but you don't need one you can just put presser sensors between inner and out pipe and if the inner breaks the presser in the outer would increase.
It's insane that we can let this company put at risk such an important source of fresh water. That the governments themselves don't even have regulatory guidelines for pipeline safety and maintenance is unreal.
I have stock in Enbridge, but Enbridge needs to remove these pipelines. Now.
Randy
SELL SELL SELL. Lml
Here's an idea, and I may be crazy but why not take that money allocated to repair the damage from a spill and use it to build a new pipe line across the lake!? Why wait for it to break? I know we need oil so its pointless to pretend like we don't but this is clearly something that needs to be fixed and sooner than later.
MaddoxInc or just stop drilling oil when we have a million other fuel sources some of witch are 100% polutan free
Jmoonshine42 you can't use anything else like you can oil. Not even hemp.
Brandon Mckenzie except for electricity has clearly been proven better. Look at a team's. Your argument has no ground on it. Drilling for oil however not only fucks up our environment through a million different applications, but it also destroys our planet internally. Do you people not realize that the oil we steal from the earth took millions of years to become what it is for a reason and now we have sink holes and earthquakes in odd places and the core isn't getting the things it needs. We have had the technology to stop needing any kind of fuels for 100 years but you have been blinded by corporate greed. Here when these people are all gone from our planet because they used up all of its resources that we paid for and dug up for them they will leave us here to die while the planet swallows it's self.
Jmoonshine42 you do realize oil is used for alot more than just fuel right?
MaddoxInc YES
8:30 this guys awesome! guy even had his work documented on old ass film... thats really cool
Apparently you've never heard of or seen a 35mm slide show... Commonly done, back in the day of wet film cameras, to better display the photos one has taken.
@@SSGTru 35mm is a dry format film. I've been a photographer since the 70s and done every darkroom process other than for Kodachrome. Every wet emulsion was coated onto glass plates or sometimes onto paper, not 35mm film. By the time 35mm film was being used for still photography and not just for motion pictures, as in for slide shows, few people if any were using wet plates because they were way too cumbersome, heavy and fragile.
Its human nature not to do something until absolutely needed. We're lazy. Unfortunately.
We are efficient not lazy. We instinctively do things as efficiently as allowed by design. Why would any creature waste valuable energy, money, and resources to do the same amount of work? They Wouldn’t. Also, the effects of all those other “spills” were of no major consequence to the environment or anything else except the pocket book of the pipeline company. The spills mentioned were less than an olympic size swimming pool worth of oil. Keep in mind that oil isn’t even that toxic of a chemical. The environment can recover relatively quickly. Look at the BP oil spill, it had very little environmental impact considering it was 4.9 million gallons of oil. It was only 2013 and any traces of the event are all but gone. So relax!
Captain AhabO Jesus Christ your true but calm down with the essay
hmmm,..maybe they should put a pipe within a pipe,...like a double hull tanker
Daniel Hawkins lmao maybe
and make them thick with polymer lining and then double that.
Free Rehab yea,...Solutions NOT Pollutions !! :-)
hmmm,.. maybe they should close the pipe line and dismantle it for good
.....but then they would have to pay hazmat truckers good money,
Surely they can be forced to place a new pipe line with many safety cutouts in it? Say making them use more pipes where they go under the straits so each pipe carries less oil with pressure sensors so they are immediately cut off at both ends in the event of a breach, would severely limit the amount escaping.
Spencer, I'm from Michigan, there's alot of corruption in the Govt. Thanks for this information.
The fight to stop line 5 is ongoing. Please show your support and share this video.
interesting, but not really tech related, why not release on vice? This is better than most of their recent output.
Asshole Google Yeah this kinda looks like Vice stuff to me.
Asshole Google
I was honestly wondering the same thing, then I realized it's most likely just to keep this channel relevant since they don't put out that many videos anymore; and the ones they do put out as of late have been short and un-interesting, as per usual with most of VICE's sub-channels.
code for dork
I live in Michigan and I'm appalled!
Lemmi guess. Just appalled enough to make the RUclips comment but not actually do anything about it?
Autobots! ASSSSSSSEMBLEEEEEE!
Do drive a car or use electricity or anything plastic I agree they need to be safer
@@Deezuzjohn how the fuck do you know what he did? Maybe he did do something, go sit the fuck down snowflake
Wouldn't you rust in there?
Watching from Australia, these pricks need to be shut down..!
we have them here mate...
So you who dig more coal than just about anyone and who have wrecked the great barrier reef in record time.
coal mining dindt fuck up the reef...sea temps did...global warming..
coral bleaching - look it up, not just limited to the great barrier reef
Coal is a major part of sea temp rise and a very major reason why all the fish of the world is polluted with mercury so your comment sounds rediculous. @Phil B
I feel sick to my stomach after watching this. Money rules everything... And I mean EVERYTHING!
BigDH28 what about the raw sewage Toronto dumps there does that make you sick
Corruption at its finest
pipelines are supposed to be serviced every 5 years
Im just saying it because of there info gaps from enbridge . If ur job was to spend2 weeks every 5 years to take pictures and write on paper theres no excuse
Its all good man , I worked on the pipeline best and worst time of my life they do some super dirty shit and they got the world in there check book
David Garrett Define "serviced" ? You're not gonna replace thousands of miles of pipelines every 5 years...
Look at my comment pipe lazt over 50 years in the dirt before replacing . Zervicing meaning run pressure txt runing other txt and if u can visually expect the line. An no shit
***** Does he have any insider information that they aren't ?
It's now 62 years old. Insurance, in -shmurance. No amount of insurance would save the Great Lakes. period Just ask John Bolenbaugh
Its pretty much dead the way it is now, what with all the invasive species killing the native biology. What the hell lets throw in a few billion gallons of oil and finish it off for good! Pfffffft!!!
DC Berndt no. It isn't "dead," although the way the oil and gas industry has treated our lakes is appalling.
Rose McGuinn
I would even volunteer on the removal of those time bombs. I'm sure thousands of people would do it too.
Thorium Nuclear Energy instead of Uraniumn to power Electric Cars is the future.
63 now, lol
BECAUSE NUCLEAR WASTE IS "CLEAN" HUH? NO
"If it isn't broke, WHY fix it...?"
Pffft'!
That about sums it up for this Company, (& most others in this field)...
Easier and cheaper to SETTLE Lawsuits on any 'alleged' mishandling & subsequent Clean-up than it is to (just do the right thing), and replace or FIX IT!
Tsk', tsk'! Shameful
Great video! Very informative. I didn't realize how old those Enbridge pipelines were because they are way before my time. Interesting though that your coverage of the impact only included the impact of the tourist industry and not on how many people in the United States that the great lakes actually feed with the life of fresh clean water. Oil we can live without. Fresh water we cannot. I'm quite sure that at the time (consider the era) these pipelines were installed no one ever considered having to 'replace/dismantle them. So there wasn't a plan too. Even in doing so you still have quite a spill.
please we must get updates on this @Motherboard
I would like to see a feasibility study of re-routing the pipeline to the Mackinac bridge. This would allow for a new line, above water, that could be more easily inspected and not susceptible to the corrosion of being under water. There could also be a series of safety valves both at the ends of the line and at different intervals along the bridge that could be shut automatically and manually when a problem is found. I would assume computers and humans could monitor flow rates and pressure readings, and as soon as there is a discrepancy, the computer would automatically close all the valve to contain everything possible and alert to the approx. location along the line where the problem has occurred. I would think a system like this would be able to contain a line rupture immanently and lose oil in a the couple hundred gallon range as oppose to the couple million gallon range.
How are they allowed to get away with risking the Great Lakes
It i their land
$$$$$$ rules everything. Every single person on this earth can be bought. That's how. Through greed.
Well done Motherboard. Coherent and unbiased informative report that is need on many topics.
This is neither coherent nor unbiased. Maybe English isn't your strong point?
Scary stuff....and even when people get together and produce a 80 page document (very impressive BTW) they still can sit back with out a worry.
We need guns to be ataken and confront them. Get everyone in the state[s] involved.
+798unionpipeliner Look tough and experience catharsis! Kill the workers since the bosses won't be made available!
***** **hugs**
This dilapidated pipeline has got to be shut down, now!
It’s weird seeing this documentary about your home state 😂 I’ve been across Lake Michigan more times than I can count. I worked on mackinaw island for a summer a few years back. It’s truly gorgeous up there and would hate to see a oil pipeline leak in this gorgeous place
i used to live on the shore of lake ontario and every two weeks just over the horizon with a pair of binoculars i could see a massive ship right dump a massive amout of garbage in the lake..
its disgusting.
So... did you ever report that? Take pictures or videos of it? Hand those over to the police/...?
Thanks for the video. It was interesting.
- A company with enough insurance not to go bankrupt for normal spills does not necessarily mean they could remediate such an oil spill. Failing that, we do.
- Municipalities get their drinking and irrigation water from the Great Lakes. We don't use municipal wells anymore and the water from them was never as good as from the Great Lakes. In many areas you couldn't just fire them up again and come anywhere close to meeting demand. Moreover, ground water has been found to be unsafe that they didn't know was unsafe before.
- Oil spills are not permanently devastating, but they are a huge mess for some time, plus the tremendous amount of carbon that it adds to the water and what the algae does to flora and fauna while it is feeding off it changes everything for years. When I was little, I remember you couldn't go by the water on the beach because of the tar from a sunken tanker. The Kalamazoo river is 50 miles away so it didn't affect us, but it was/is still a mess.
- Politicians don't care on either side. They are the best representation money can buy. An environmentalist will have everyone be farmers again and using out houses except them, while they fly/drive around telling everyone else about it. We can't trust either side of what we see here. We need people who will actually do the job of calculating the best strategy so the cure isn't worse than the disease.
Thanks for putting this documentary together, we could all use a bit more knowledge when it comes to the state of our world. If we can't stop oil from being transported through our lakes, at least get someone to do some proper maintenance.
Body language at 13:21 says, I’m an f’ing paid liar. If their pipelines spill into the Great Lakes, you might see some serious movement from the people. This is not a joke, these lake are so important and we need to get some major pressure on this company and our government to replace these lines.
He'll definitely get in the crossfire
Thought I was watching buzzfeed unsolved with that music playing in the background
when will the world learn that water>oil
$>life, sad but true
Bradley Ross Petroleum is the 2nd most common liquid on Earth..and no we dont know where it comes from..just guesses AKA theories
+TheIlumin Ati Errrm... well petroleum is refined from crude oil... so we know where it comes from. And you have the definition of scientific theory incorrect.
+Cyberat Rodent That is where we have been led to believe it comes from. That does not make it the truth. Much of what we are coming to find out is in drect opposition to what we have been indoctrinated to believe
***** No one said anything about re-inventing it. My point is still valid. As far as products being made from petroleum, their is little to nothing made from the so-called fossil fuels that cannot be produced, better, more cheaply, and more environmentally friendly from Hemp. This is old tech and is well known, just not utilized. My oriignal point is we have been misled to believe the myth of scarcity and it not only applies to petroleum. These are control mechanisms...nothing more. You simply missed the point of what I said. Of course there have been technologies for nearly 100 years that make petroleum products obsolete. It is just another piece to the deception
Americans and Canadians; at risk from American and Canadian corporations. Who needs enemies with "friends" like these?
without oil, how are you going to drive your car, heat your home . Most clothes are fossil fuel derivatives. Dont complain, provide some solutions
John Ross electricity 🙃 even though I miself am a car, mechanic, car history enthousiast, its the future man
He's not complaining about the fact that we need oil, he's complaining about the way in which these companies conduct their business. Taking short cuts, and doing half a job to save money without thinking about the consequences, or the human/ environmental costs. It's like what happened with the Grenfell fire in London (I'm from the UK). All these people lost their lives because a private company wanted to save £5000 on building materials. We live in a society run by sociopaths.
Likely not American or Canadian at all, globalist bankers more likely.
Why would the oil companies not build sensors that can detect this oil spillage when a leak occurs ? The minute this is detected double gates on each end of the pipe which would automatically close off the oil flow. This would prevent little leakage of oil from the break. Especially if they are using water ways. Another solution would be to put plastic wall liners on the inside of the pipe. If a corrosion or breakage occurs in the metal. The oil would not slip out because of this lining. Similar to the idea of double hulled oil tankers that bring oil overseas.
We need this oil, but we need it to be coordinated responsibly.
Granite no. No we don't need oil. We need solar panels, windmills, and water generated power.
@@Aptenodytes You obviously have no idea of the products made from petroleum. Electricity is a very small percentage.
@@pcar5 man holy shit I was dumb back then 😂
@@pcar5 I was like 14 maybe 15
What happens when a company with a bad record tries to send oil through an aging pipeline?
*WATCH NEXT*: _The Magnetic Wand That Cleans Oil Spills_ - bit.ly/1Mi0SZf
***** I would really apreciate it if you would mention the metric value's as well. thanks for the great video's!
***** Me too. Metric please.
Can't bring me down today 1cubic meter= 264 US gallons, so 800 000 gal is roughly 3000cubic meters.
***** What happens.... The EPA's next FALSE FLAG happens.... then tax payers get charged millions or more for the clean up...
gooble gobble Rail car 60 cubic meters. So, 3000 c/m = 50 rail cars.
This is Unacceptable in the United States and we Have to get this Insanity under control by VOTING!
Lmfao voting won't do shit when no matter what $$ controls what happens and most of us don't have the money or connections to bribe our way to what needs to happen.
The pipeline is over 60 years old and it's a private company who owns it. What would voting accomplish?
polifatts won’t do jack shit
Instead of training for the event of a an oil pipe break shouldn't they be trying to prevent the pipes from bursting?
not their pipe (; they cant touch it with a six foot pole
i hope that that was the correct sayinge
+MISTER “J0HN D03” explain me more please
healLV if i understand this corectlry they are a independant orginisation and the pipe is thus not theirs
+MISTER “J0HN D03” but still someone needs to take care of it
yeah but they can i am not saying that they just need to leave it like that i am simply saying that they cant for tho reason it isnt their pipe and if they could the would have the responsibility when it leaks because the company that owns the pipe could just say their fault it was fine before they where messing with it
Its good that you guys were being watched. For all they knew you could be there to sabotage the pipeline.
Should be shared more with news stations
Wow, this didn't seem one-sided at all... not one bit.
Chris Boerma Never trust a leftist, they’re born to manipulate.
Yeah it's almost like they're trying to warn us oil spills will be very problematic in the future if nothing is done. WOW! SAD!
This was a good informative documentary. THANKS
As a Michigander this makes me sick to my stomach. I love thos waters with all my heart we have to stop the greed
Motherboard usually does a good job of reporting from what I've seen, but this seemed to show a heavy bias in the introduction.
If you watch the whole video and the objective evidence of the video the bias is replaced with facts refuting the oil company and supports the views of the general population and wildlife conservation.
It is time too reroute the pipe, it does not belong in a freshwater LAKE.
Lack of keeping safety first, corporate greed takes over and the people do have a right to know what is going on with their water, lakes, streams.
looks like the pipeline has run its time , time to replace the Pipe !
How about these companies don't run pipelines through our water.
Where the fuck else can they run the pipeline when it's surrounded by lakes the size of entire states?
what octane gas are you huffing? i need a taker truck of it to even make some sense of that.
o_O
YOU don't own the water!
Shawn Elliott run the pipeline along the bridge.. It's only 2 20" pipes. At least it can be serviced, and inspected.
I worked as a land agent for Enbridge in Wisconsin and we were told to tell the landowners only one pipeline was going thru and actually it was two.
Someone should develop technologies for decontaminating fresh water from oil spills and then charge a fortune for their product so that once this pipeline ruptures , they can make money off of it.
Pibbles 'n Bits
it's called burn the oil off.... but how without damaging the wildlife....
Someone did, and it isn't a super complicated thing. During the BP oil spill, the actor Kevin Costner was involved with a company that made centrifuges that would spin contaminated seawater and separate the oil. Not only would it clean the water, but the oil could be salvaged and used. Unfortunately, because the EPA thought it didn't do over a certain amount, the government turned down any attempts to use them to clean the spill. Instead, they just let it go and did practically nothing, ruining the economy for all those on the Gulf Coast, and wasting all that oil that could have been salvaged.
Silverblade Dagger That is very sad to hear : (
Why the F would you put a oil pipeline under water!
If you put it on top of the water you will hit it with your boat!
SegoMan it could be attached to the bridge , then it can be inspected daily.....
If every youtube complaint amounted to a complaint to a govt representative you see some action on stuff like this.
Mackinac Straits Corridor Authority (MSCA) agreement
On December 19, 2018 the Michigan Department of Natural Resources announced that the Mackinac Straits Corridor Authority (MSCA), in correspondence with Rick Snyder, approved an agreement to build a multi-purpose tunnel that will house multiple utility lines. In addition, the old enbridge line 5 will be removed & a new line will be constructed. Within the agreement the MSCA approved the transfer of a property right, which allows Enbridge to construct the new tunnel in bedrock beneath the Straits of Mackinac.
WTF I had no clue about this! I’ve lived in MI for over 20 years, since I was a little kid, and I had no idea we had an oil pipeline, especially running under the Mackinaw Bridge!
Enbridge has a solution a new tunnel system that would be state of the art to protect our environment. Actually, there is a very good video on what they will build. As far a the existing pipeline it is regularly inspected by the US and Canada. That pipeline was built with 1" steel pipe walls and has never had any issues. Well-engineered some would say. If anything perhaps pushing to allow Enbridge to build the new tunnel and pipeline faster would be the best solution. It has been under study for over 3 years now. How long does it take to do studies?
Can't they attach it to the bridge?
Like up and out of the water i mean
Probably could if they decide to replace the underwater pipes. Could be big $$$$$
Should have just built a bridge for the pipes, that way it's completely visible
Or attach it to the bridge that is already there?
Don't these companies know that they will probably go under if they let a huge oil spill like this one get out of control?
What do they care? They get subsidized by the government. Hold out your hands, say you won't do it again, and then go spend it all on new equipment that'll fail again in 10 years. I fucking hate oil reps.
Not saying people don't care, because some do. But too many are complacent and just trust that people will do the right thing. One of the most telling parts of this film is the interview with the public relations guy. He can't tell a lie to save his life! NOBODY can sit here and tell me a pipeline 50+ years old is in good shape. I simply don't care what he says, or what any study says. That shit should be replaced, PRONTO! These big oil company execs don't drive to work, they are choppered in more than likely. They can afford to lay new pipeline. And shame on the gov't, city, state and federal for not protecting our natural resources. It's left up to groups funded by donations that can barely afford to flush their toilets. Unreal. I like how Bernie or bust people can get together large groups and hold protests and are able to organize like crazy. Let's start doing this for the right reasons! Let's get these pipelines out of our great lakes number one. Get REAL regulations in place. And order them to set up funds to help the wildlife that is still impacted to this day by what happened in the past. The responsibility to protect our land rests on our own shoulders. If you see something wrong, do something! and if you don't care. Please stop drinking the water, and breathing the air. That should be left for those of us who do.
Paul Ferges do you also advocate the replacement of 50 year old municipal water and sewer lines? I assure you they are corroded also.
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It't looks like a fucking ocean! 7:29
+Michael Dabish yep there the biggest lakes in the world and i live with them
Yes, they are big and beautiful! I don't want oil in our sweet ocean.
Emmit the Caspian Sea is technically saltwater. A mild saltwater though. It has one third the salinity of seawater. Lake Baikal is the largest by volume not just surface area.
No one wants new pipelines but the same people don't want the old ones replaced. This documentary talks about no federal standard for requiring a company to replace a pipeline but there are also no federal standards with helping a company replace a line. Here in central Minnesota there is a line that is well past needing to be replaced and there are still state agencies holding up its replacement while they are in the middle of construction to fully replace it.
They don't want pipes as they drive away mad. Lol.
Could the pipeline beneath the water be rerouted , perhaps if it were attached to the side or underside of the bridge, it would make sense to keep it above and out of the water some how.
The only problem is that the Mackinac Bridge is designed to be slightly flexible in order to deal with the heavy winds of the Straits of Mackinac. I've read somewhere before that it's capable of swaying up to 35ft in either direction during severe weather conditions. Therefore any pipeline than runs along the bridge would have to constantly be wiggling around which would add even more wear and tear to it. I'm sure with todays engineering it could easily be done, but I think in general most of us here in Michigan simply don't want a pipeline running threw or over any of our great lakes period. The risk is simply to great when we're talking about something that could contaminate 1/5th of the Earths freshwater.
Davinia overton you still go over the water on the bridge. It's underwater for safety. You don't want people near it
The oil pipelines are not just in that area.
A Canadian company caring about what happens to America
you are right we in Canada do not care about the USA and never will but that is not the issue the issue is the United States allows any one with money to do what they want. you will note I hope not once did they show a oil spill in Canada ya know why? we have strict guide lines that have to be followed. so it seem the USA has a government that only has MONEY on the mind not the well being of the people
William White three pipelines spilled in canada just two years ago, look something like that up and stop stirring this stupid pot.
You have to wonder how much damage could be done by dedicated terrorists here. They speak of one pipe breaking and being discovered immediately but what if terrorists broke both pipes in several locations? Wouldn't replacing this with modern materials today be far cheaper than any potential disaster? What would happen to SUPPLY if the pipeline ceased to function?
So the pipes that were supposed to be good for 50 years are now 65 tears old. Sounds like they need to start dragging new lines before they blow, common sense says.
They test the pipelines with PIGs. Pipes are not milk. They do not have an expiration date. Things can fail faster or slower then they thought.
Better yet, just don't run new ones under the lakes after cutting off the old ones! Run all the oil through other lines.
Wow I'm watching this in 2019 and I'm surprised it hasn't ruptured
I think it’s about time that these pipelines are raised above the water that way they are more easily watched over. This is ridiculous. I am a Wisconsin resident and am appalled by this. I never even knew that they were there.
Why wait for it to start showing signs of an issue....
If it was rated for 50 years. Just replace it at that point. Cost to put in new ones would be MUCH cheaper than trying to prevent the damages.. Plus some damage is not able to be completely repaired.
+Jeremy Trankler True, but they probably figure that, if the pipe bursts, they won't *really* be held accountable. They'll just a get little slap on the wrist. Maybe a fine of a few million dollars. Pocket change basically. And they're right. Just as they have been in the past.
Jeremy Trankler probably couldn't run a new one or the cost is prohibitive do to environmental regulations.
This is sad! We have to stop!
***** lol "we".
Miguel Costa Nobody's twisting your arm to use oil, so go right ahead and stop. Let us know how that turns out for you.
Miguel Costa Insightful words from a beautiful man
It's even sadder that or government doesn't care and nothing going to be done until there's a spill and it to late
Better stop driving taking the bus and turn all the lights of in your house and stop watching this video
I’ve welded on both of those lines and I’m here to tell you they don’t do enough to make sure of a release!!!!
How much gas has been used so that Motherboard could film all this ?
+lacombar Why does it matter? They didn't say they're opposed to oil companies, did they? The problem is that Enbridge uses a poorly maintained pipeline that should have been decommissioned 30 years ago.
antred11 because they are contributing to the problem. The oil has to be moved some way.
lacombar
Yes, and one way to move it would be in a pipeline that isn't in such poor state. I fail to see how Motherboard is contributing to that problem by raising awareness about it.
w hendricso where do you think the electricity comes from ?
pipelines are safer than trucks. more oil out of leaking seals on car engines than pipelines.
All that oil isn't being poured directly into major waterways though. So shit diversion tactic.
Don’t hate the player, hate the game. Anyone who uses petroleum is directly responsible for oil spills.
Agreed! I drive electric and switched my home to wind power, just call your utility!
Yeah ok, keep that soapbox. Might need it to sleep in
Yea dont blame companies raking in billions in profit dont blame their ceos with golden parachutes dont blame their board members. Dont blame people actually lobbying congress. We should really blame all the people gassing up their used cars driving under 20 miles to their shit job living pay check to pay check got it ... thanx
why not run them across the bridge?
+Bruno Hoffmann Is what I'm thinking
+Dan DeMarco it would be more prone to pipeline damge with how much the bridge sways. Underwater is a much more stagnant environment.
+Jack Hawe makes sense. now if enbridge would just MAINTAIN it likes they're supposed to.
+Bruno Hoffmann Same reason they aren't maintaing them, $$.
Bruno Hoffmann because greed, even though it wouldn't be too expensive to run the pipe on the bridge. Same reason we still use this garbage energy source over nuclear.
Cambridge B.S employee,"This was ongoing, planned maintenance ". LIAR! You don't Ignore it until you are caught!
Motherboard, the new VICE, minus the political bias.
At least you go into this without an agenda.
At least you drove your car and flew on your plane to get there.
Would you complain if it was still hauled by boat and you had to pay $5.00 a gallon.
Jesse Palo I wonder if there are regulations preventing them from replacing the existing one.