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I usually don't care about an actor's ethnicity, gender or whatever. But there are exceptions:
1: Historical/True Story movies.
2: Ethnicity/gender plays a part in the story's development.
3: Changes made solely for ideological reasons.
I agree but I also want to elaborate my opinion on #2. Ethnicity/gender should also be decided on character's personality and actions where their development comes into play such as life experience only a certain gender likely experience or origin of culture where the character has any traditions, resources, or spirituality that affects their decision-making.
Timothy Reaper agree
This video reminds me of when I got stabbed 79 times for cultural appropriation outside of a taco bell. Darn hoodlums!!
Weaverbeats wait what
heckingroy it's a joke.
oh lol, couldn't identify the joke in it xd
Hekingroy, "Stabbed 79 times" should have been a dead giveaway
Angelica Pickles well sometimes we just can't decipher text
Am I the only one who thinks we should be more angry that they're selling a simple oversized shirt for over $100??? You can buy the same shirt 2 sizes up at a Walmart for $5 for christ sake
Dangerous Mermaid so then just buy it at Walmart and go about your day
i mean it is just that the fans are buying that shit right? so, i guess it is the dumb die-hard fans that are supporting this non-sense
+Dangerous Mermaid Even that is no reason to get angry at. So it's overpriced, just don't buy it. It's other people's problem if they're dumb enough to waste their money on the items.
Lo - where do you think they got 'em from ?
If the ethnic backround of a character has significance in who the character is and the story as a whole, I think it's best to keep them in that ethnic group. If it doesn't matter in the story, then pick the best actor possible.
100% AGREE!!! I don't know anything about Hellboy but it sounded like there was some significance to this character's heritage. Unless a character's physical appearance lends itself to the story and the character's development, physical appearance shouldn't be a factor when casting. I think it's perfectly understandable though when fans get upset that their favorite characters end up looking nothing like the characters in their minds. I get that but move on, find something else to be upset about.
I completely agree. I mean there are some limits, but as long as the actor fits, it shouldn't ruin the expierence. People who have expirenced the source material will always complain, but the new viewers are the true unbiased minds.
That's why white people get every single roll😂 You wouldn't give a white roll to someone else😂
meh i think its important to stick to what they specify usually just to stop the outrage, i think diversity is important but usually it just means oh we will add a bit of black to the movie. roles like domino who is hispanic being taken by a black woman i find counter active to the sjw movement of white washing. white that your taking a less representative minority role and making her a more represented minority to please people, even though so far there is no Hispanic superheroes in movies so far, i dont think? i could be wrong.
Golden Duck Or maybe people of color just don't go into acting half as much. That is a decent enough explaination.
How about we encourage more people of color to pursue acting careers?
False accusations of crimes should be met with punishment equivalent to that of what the accused would have suffered, especially in cases of rape and assault.
Gravuun couldn't agree more! If that happened, false accusations would become real low
Now hold on with that, might seem a bit harsh. If I accuse you of murdering me, would you really want to get the death sentence? Or would you be suddenly against an eye for an eye?
he's saying that if you accuse him of attempted murder (unless we're hiring mediums to communicate) because you don't like him for whatever reason, and it's a completely false accusation, then you should face the sentence for attempted murder because that is what he faced. You basically tried to use the government as a weapon to unfairly imprison another person, personally I'd like to see this done in rape cases where the accusation can be proven wrong with physical evidence.
If you claim someone murdered you youd either be laughed out of the police department or shot in the head because oh god the dead have risen we're all doomed.
If all of the lefties that created hoaxes after Trumps election were put in jail ... there would be no more room for other criminals.
Hey Phil, I'm in Japan and got the text messages and my town sounded the alarm. It was pretty scary, the sirens were loud and it woke me up. I just read "it seems a missile has been launched from North Korea" and freaked out a bit because I live on the second story and the message said get underground NOW. Then I got to work after everything calmed down and all my Japanese colleagues were laughing and were a little more cheerful than usual. One of my coworkers even said their kids slept through it and joked that at least they can sleep through a real attack. It's been a day already and most people have seemed to forgot about it. Everyone is carrying on as normal now. If it happens again, I'll probably just stay in bed or in my apartment. There's not much you can do when a freaking missile is headed your way anyway.
Definitely the rudest way I've ever been woken up. Fuck you, Kim Jong Un.
Same!!! It was a pretty rude awakening. I panicked for those fifteen minutes until they sent out the second message, and then I still had to go to work in an hour. UGH! No one even mentioned it that day, and we only talked briefly about it this afternoon. It seems that even though it was the first time they tested that specific alert system, no one was really concerned, lol.
SnickerFriend2013 Yes fuck that alarm of a human
laughing about shit (or beeing more cheerful tan usual) and not talking about things (or flat out ignoring them) you cant change are very japanese coping mechanisms tho. if i was you i would def go to a celar or bunker if the alarm sound again. you might not survive a nuclear missle anyways but if its just a rocket its way better to be underground.
SnickerFriend2013 Hey, I'm curious, what is the perspective in Japan? How do Japanese people think the North Korea situation should be handled?
Ex Navy here living/working in Yokosuka Japan, I didn't even hear about this until around 1430.
Black guy here. The obsession with political correctness has reached alarming levels in this country. How have we reached a point where a man is forced to hire a writer/publicist to write out a 250 word apology begging the public's forgiveness for accepting a movie role? Like, it's just gross at this point.
It reached alarming levels many years ago. Now it's full blown AIDS.
lightsout4u1 Another token black guy uttering what his white friends taught him to say.
It's gone too far your right.
TheWalkingBritt Wait, so you're saying that black people don't have an opinion unless it aligns with yours? That's the most racist thing I've read in this entire comment section. Acting as if black people were slaves to you and should only say what you want.
I reported you for hate speech, racist arsehole.
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I just took stuff out of context as much as you did.
TheWalkingBritt
This comment is a perfect example of what hypocrisy looks like folks.
On Hellboy: I'm a black male, I'm a bisexual person on top of that, I'd however not ask for a character who is white and straight to be changed into a black bisexual for my benefit. I was not on board when Roland in Dark Tower was casted as Idris, I am not on board with Domino being played by a black woman and no I'm not on board with Hellboy casting a black actress as a character who is a Irish Redhead from the 1950s. Diversity mattering shouldn't be only in the cases where the character wasn't white and now is, but where a character was white and now isn't. This also goes into creator intention as well. I'd be angry if a story I created where a character was white was cast as someone else as much as I'd be angry about a Latino character being made into an Asian or white character.
You can't say that, you're a male!
DOmino is part of a cultural majority... goth/alternative... just keep whatever race AND personality the character has if it's already established, that comics and other media is mostly white is complete and utter bullshit, its a waaaay to widespread misconception, people just don't bother to LOOK for other characters other than the superduper popular ones.
However more minority characters in unestablished work is definatly needed... it is why are these actors are being jammed into these characters in the first place...
As a Canadian I'm offended that they have a plaid shirt in their store. Stealing Canadian culture how disgusting!
I'm from Minnesota and that's Canadian enough. I am also offended.
Chris L I know, eh?! So outraged, I might have to step out for a second to chill. Maybe go for an iced cap.
Chris L say sorry
Plaid isn't Canadian, you thieving Kanuck! ;P
Renyk Bellesteres if you're going on a Timmy's run grab me a double double buddy
I don't think people understand the ethnic make up of the United States and Hollywood, if the charters race or gender isn't a part of the story whoever gives the best audition deserves that role.
Adrianna J but wasn't Hermione described as black skinned in the book?
xdarkwolf2255 She was described as "having a darker, tanned skintone". That doesn't necessarily mean black, but it could, it could also mean latina or just a tanned white person.
This should be how all TV and Movies should work (within reason)
jakeupinfinity Daimio's Japanese heritage is very important to his character. It's hard to explain without spoiling the storyline but it would be really hard to change his characters background without changing the motivation of the character entirely. And based on the info they've put out, I don't think that was their plan. The actor has a very little bit of Asian background so I think they just planned on having him play a Japanese character still. I don't think they planned on just making the character white
The punishment for faking a crime should be *STRONGER* than being guilty of the actual crime.
As a latina, I don't think Kylie and Kendall stole anything. While plaid shirts, in America, were popularized by Cholas, the design of a plaid shirt originated from Scotland. Cholas did not come up with the idea of plaid. It would be different if plaid shirts had some sort of major significance in Chola culture, but it doesn't. If Kylie and Kendall were to start selling Native American headdress as "accessories" then that would be cultural theft considering headdress are incredibly significant in Native culture and only certain members of tribes can wear them. In terms of selling the shirt, I don't think they were doing anything wrong and this is coming from a person who doesn't even like them. Anyone can wear a plaid shirt!
You can't tell me ravers wearing Native American headresses or Rachel Dolezal pretending to be black isn't fucked up in some way?
SinnedNogara it's not, well that Rachael girl has a few screws loose, but no it's not fucked up.
To Release is To Resolve what about stealing valor?
SinnedNogara No, that's incredibly fucked up. I agree with you there.
please don't give them ideas.
In my opinion, if the character was mentioned to have something to do with a nationality (for example captain america was from america), then the actor should look like he's from that nationality as well. But if the story doesn't show the character's background to be from a specific nationality, then why does it matter if the actor is from a different one. The story wouldn't be less believable, and remakes don't need to be 100% accurate as well.
Seminix Mate the same with domino from deadpool the paper white skin is part of the mutation and with the black dot that's why she is named domino (I think it is that's what I heard) so it should go with that too
Seminix Mate Nationality has nothing to do with ethnicity.
+Victor Thomas For many nations it really does, as most nations have a fairly homogeneous population regarding the ethnicity represented.
Nationality, ethnicity, gender, religion, etc. They all apply here and do not need to correlate with the actor's background unless it has a significance in the story. My bad for not talking about that.
This is why I try not to put TOO much description in my stories, I want readers to see themselves and their world in what I write.
This just goes to show you that anybody will do anything to push a narrative or get famous. Faking hate crimes is horrible and could ruin someone's life.
Domo Jax I agree.
Domo Jax It's sad people do this
TheOgTrollKing I'm black but okay 👌🏽
And here I thought you were referring to the Ed Skrein story... lol. But seriously - faking a hate crime is pretty horrible - and it appears that 'all sides' are doing it these days. Identity politics is destroying our society.
Plaid is synonymous with tartan, which is the type of pattern that people call "plaid". Plaid is most historically associated with SCOTLAND, not Hispanic cultures. If there's any cultural appropriation going on, then it's not white people stealing from Hispanic culture, but rather the other way around. Either way, I believe the entire "cultural appropriation" bit is silly, and to say that someone can't wear something that they enjoy the look of because of the color of their skin is, by definition, racist.
Last year there was the Moana film, and there was a Halloween costume for one of the characters. People cried out loud "You can't just wear another skin colour! That's racist!", so it got removed to minimise backlash.
THAT is what they care about, but actual racism (as in: building concentration camps, as a certain Joe did) is even condoned by the American president...
Magnum Frost This is the whitest shit I've ever read.
I wasn't aware that making cohesive expressions of one's opinions and logical arguments to defend said opinions was a white thing.
I think it's also silly mostly because 100% of the people who are complaining have no fucking clue where the fuck anything comes from (As you so kindly explained). It like they all believe white man never made a god damn thing in the millions of years we've existed
I agree with your statement besides the fact that you claimed there was such thing as Hispanics stealing from "white" culture what tf is white culture.
In the new death note movie they criticize the lead white actor for playing an asian character but when people spoke up about The character L who is played by a black actor they were condemned as racist ... just wow
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Saudi gucci Most death note fans weren't happy with cast of L as well.
mayla Roll while this is true. I have seen many posts of people i went to school with only complaining about who they casted light as.
mayla Roll go check the articals when they cast a white actor they call it whitewashing but when they cast a black actor they call "at least attempted to "diversify" their cast" that is a direct quote from one of nany articles
I believe faking crimes should be punished almost to the extent of the actual crime itself; it needs to have harsh repercussions to help prevent it in the future. It's really a despicable act and can severely hurt the person or group they're claiming did the crime
Arthur Durham I agree except in some cases, should faking murder be tried like murder and potentially get the death penalty in some states?
Crazelord91 If someone almost puts you on death row , and almost gets away with it, how would you want him to get punished? He is trying to kill you...
Hamurrabi's code
the kawaii crew Gaming That's a good way to put it, I agree with that
Fester MP Yah, makes sense. Like "the kawaii crew Gaming" said also
Phil, I am a fashion designer and I personally believe that there was nothing wrong with what the Jenners did in this case. Yes, the design is lazy, and shitty, but it is a popular look and it is okay to barrow in fashion and to be inspired as long as you respect your inspiration.
Jamontique Q how do I break into the bussiness?
My only issue is the price. Wtf kind of flannel are they using?
Jamontique Q I think the issue is the lack of attribution to the origin of the style. You can't just take kimono for instance and sell it as your work without stating where it's from and what you're doing with it.
Flanel shirts are so popular in multiple styles/ cultures claiming them as one style seems odd
Chris Gough a plaid shirt doesn't belong to a specific culture though
Both actors should back down. I'm sorry. As a big fan of certain characters, it seriously bothers me to have those characters I love and know, growing and knowing them a very specific way, and then havinf them completely changed. I would rather more ethnicities be included by having more original characters that are badass, rather than replacing set characters. White, black, asian, whatever. They should stay true to the character, regardless of the ethnicity. I'm absolutely not for casting a different ethnicity for a character known for having a very specific background and appearance.
AGREED
Well I think your issue with the change is based of of societies perception of race. Skin color is like any other human trait like height. Now would you mind if there was a 5 foot 7 inches iron man rather than a 6 foot (just random heights). It wouldn't nearly be as big of a deal. My issue is when they change the background and culture of that character because that takes away from the character him or herself.
I disagree... A little. I think the best person for the job should be based on talent (within the budget of course). If they opened auditions and they make their picks from the best deliveries, I see no problems. Now, if they reached out to him and asked him to audition? That might be different. That being said, I respect any actor that holds to their own convictions when faced with turning down a paycheck.
It kinda sounds like you are asking Tom Cruise to be the next ironman. I'm down. :)
JustThatLauren unless the plot is driven by the characters race (such as the character specifically being an activist or a metaphor or anything crucial to the plot) then it's ridiculous to say it matters what race that character actually was. When you take crucial things away by whitewashing or the actors didn't live up to the role, yeah, that sucks. But to *restrict* the casting director and everyone to only casting physical embodiments of that character, there's a far greater chance of that also sucking because maybe they didn't deserve the role and only got it because they have the right 'look'. It's called acting, not modeling. Yeah, growing up with this image in your head and being excited to see the -*real* thing might be jarring when you realize that directors and writers and actors are gonna do their own thing and be disappointed..but if you appreciate acting and movies as standalones (which they are) instead of expecting some literal perfect movie version of an original then you can maybe appreciate the new angles and story as a separate work :)
Can we stop using the term "garbage person"? It's an insult to this country's great sanitation workers.
Chris Crosby he means a person made of garbage
Geraldine Hughes Understood, but it sounds terrible and confusing. If he wanted to make it clearer he's talking about a person made of garbage, he should've called him a Jake Paul.
I'm not going to complain about more representation of minorities in Hollywood, but why is it always the redheads that get recast? I miss my gingers.
Blue Shadow they're a rare species
Aren't they literally being phased out by genetics?
No, they aren't being phased out by genetics. People just don't understand that simply having a recessive gene doesn't mean that it is dying, it just takes another person with that gene down the line, and bam. In fact, recessive genes get passed down the genome just like dominant ones. No, the red-hair gene is not dying off, and there are largely as much as ever.
They have to hide so that they dont get hunted for consuming human souls, xD
We're kissed by fire
That terrifying story about the North Korea situation really was the perfect place to leave the show today. ~150,000,000 Japanese now upset by the thought that they might wake up one morning just in time to see themselves and all their loved ones destroyed by a missile strike (and 50,000,000 South Koreans probably feeling something similar). And in the US we're upset about a plaid shirt and upset that the guy chosen to make believe as an imaginary person doesn't resemble a comic book character closely enough.
Seriously, even for first world problems, this is some pathetic shit.
studyeye yep
reading through the comments, all I see is talk about ethnicity. It is kind of gut wrenching considering exactly what you stated about the last story. I figured it would have been discussed more, but people are worried about shirts, and race.
Studyeye, have you ever heard of the bicycle shed effect? It's a concept that when people are confronted by very complex problems they will gravitate toward simple easy to understand things (i.e. the group designated to design a nuclear power plant waste all their time discussing the bicycle shed in the parking lot instead of designing the nuclear generator). I think sometimes our "first world problems" are like that, we see the complex issue, and ignore it for something simpler (we think) to understand and argue about. North Korea is a very real threat to everyone. It threatens the US, and the stability of part of the most massively populated parts of the earth. It's a problem that has been going on for over 50 years and some of our greatest minds have either ignored it, or just concluded it was best to leave it be. It's easier to discuss fashion, perceived cultural slights or other things. It isn't right, but the bicycle effect seems to be a very well documented instinct. Don't forget even now when our own countrymen are suffering, and we still gravitate to the salacious and inconsequential. No offense toward Phil, the man has 15 minutes or so and can only accurately discuss so much, and we talked Hurricane Harvey yesterday, but my point is, we would rather talk about the inconsequential rather than discuss the hard things that are probably more necessary.
studyeye preach it !
Robert Callahan, really good points. It sound like the bicycle shed effect would've had a big influence on how we're (not) talking about this issue -- too complex, and way too many unknowns to truly wrap one's head around.
Another big contributor, I think, is whatever the effect is that over the past decades has had us doing so little on global warming. We've known for a long time that North Korea's nuclear ambitions would pose a serious problem. But we only knew that intellectually, and didn't feel the immediacy since nuclear programs are long, complex things. And taking action on North Korea is always so tough, with their allies and with the unpredictability of whatever ruler, etc. And so the situation has gone from bad to worse.
I don't think there is a difference at all, if she's playing a character who in the comics was a white Irish woman with red hair then she should be that.
Joey Z I think white people have enough representation.
That is generally what happens when white majority countries make films.. No different from Asian majority countries casting mostly Asians..etc..etc. But if anything. I would say that business, government, colleges and film go out of their way in most cases to include minorities (to the point of over representation in many cases). Even if they aren't always the most qualified.
SushiRoll Speaks I feel like being true to an original character is also important, especially if that's the reason Ed got backlash for his casting.
SushiRoll Speaks And I'd also like to point out the lack of Irish representation in movies as well...
+SushiRoll Speaks I don't think the purpose of fiction is to represent the audience. Do you?
Never knew Plaid was Latino. Learn something new every day. Don't know how all the Scottish Lumberjacks will take this. We better start breaking out the Pepsi's.
I bought that same shirt at kmart for $6.99
It was about the style it was worn in for the advertisement. Plaid is a big thing in Punk fashion as well, but they way the wore it was Cholo style. The issue being a lot of people who wear that style are looked down on, but when the Kendalls do it suddenly is not just acceptable but cool.
Also surprised that no Grunge songs have Spanish lyrics
Beathan Steele I know, plaid flannel shirts and latinos aren't exactly my first association either. In fact all I think of is Al Borland in Home Improvement! This whole cultural appropriation argument is bull anyway, who gets to decide if only certain races or cultures can wear certain things, otherwise can I claim jeans and a t-shirt combo for white people before anyone else does, otherwise I'll have nothing left to wear.
Can we all just agree that $100+ is ridiculous for flannel shirts though?
After some more research it seems Cholo culture only started wearing flannel in the late 90's, how can they even claim that as cultural appropriation like it's some historic tradition that's being abused.
As a large bearded lumberjack I approve of other groups using the traditional garb of my culture - not only the flannel shirt, but the high heels and bra as well.
The Grinning Viking yes Monty python reference 😀😀😀😀😀😀
In all fairness Death Note was a terrible movie whitewashing or not. They took everything that made the original story interesting and threw it out in favor of making a typical teen drama.
Evelyn Emma but it was a hilarious comedy
A total train wreck
Evelyn Emma and L was black but "blackwashing" isn't a thing some how.
IT WAS SO BAD
Evelyn Emma L was cool though
No difference between Ed and Sasha. I agree with you Phil, so long as the character is treated with respect and played well, anyone should be able to play them, unless race or gender is important to the development and background of the character.
which , it ALWAYS is ....
like Gods of Egypt (played by a fucking Scottish dude) and Genghis khan right? both were played by white men lol It never happen as you said it should I don't see the point to your argument at all.
Cody Bassett The point is that race is important.
North Korea is like that really annoying kid in the back of the class that keeps throwing stuff at you just to try and get a reaction.
Max Geiser 😂😂😂😂 true
Nailed it! The question is if we all act like the kid isn't there will he stop?
But then the bully with the big mac and the bald eagle stands up and the annoying kid starts screaming for the teacher
Max Geiser except that child has the power to bring great harm to others if ignored
Nice job stealing an old comment. Funny AND origional!
If Ed Skrein is applauded for stepping down from covering an Asian character, Alice Monaghan should be expected to step down from a White character. Equality goes both ways. Simple as that.
I think he was stupid to stand down, and neither actor/ess should. Nor should he be applauded for being stupid. But this is the way of the ignorant, racist progressives (not all liberals, the progressives are their own thing) operate, so...
it's called free will. what ed skrein did was admirable. but it doesn't mean other actors should be forced to step down. people will be upset no matter what.
Doesn't understand his argument only works in a vacuum. Can't think logically for more than 2 steps before giving up.
Poop Brain he was pressured to step down! Did you not watch the video you filthy sjw?
Poop Brain Ok. So, what Ed did was the right thing?
Would it be reasonable to disagree with Ed if he did not stepped down? On the grounds of 'not doing the right thing'?
But, pointing out that casting a black dude for a character in Norse mythology might not be a good idea is racist?
Make no mistake, in most cases the skin colour of the actor hardly matters. But we are at the point where if there is a movie about KKK, half of the cast would be black.
Not many people cared about Johnny Storm being black. Not many people cared about Deadshot being black. They didn't even care about Heimdallr the "whitest of gods" being black in two movies. We're living in times where is more important to fill a quota in diversity rather than meritocracy.
That's not true. Johnny Storm in particular was a huge controversy. I think even Michelle Rodriguez posted about it, claiming blacks were stealing superhero roles. Heimdallr didn't have much of a controversy because he was barely in the movie and not in any trailers.
Those movies had a lot more wrong with them than race diversity, I think people where too pissed about wasting money than seeing a character get the Revitiligo,
The issue with Johnny Storm being black was that he's Sue Storms brother so by changing the race of one of them and not both makes integral changes to their characters and dynamic. It was a big deal because it changes the dynamic of the group as a whole because Sue and Johnny are brother/sister and that informs their relationship with each other. If it had been Ben or Richard that was black it would have been much less of an issue (although some people will always complain) but their race is irrelevant to their relationships with the other members of the Fantastic 4.
It was far from the biggest problem with the movie but it was a symptom of the creators not caring about the source material and by extension not respecting the fans of the franchise.
Luis De La Rosa yeah because the fantastic 4 movie suxked
Luis De La Rosa If the race/culture affects a character's integral being, then they should maintain the original race. But if it has no effect, then race shouldn't matter. For example, The Black Panther shouldn't be white. His race is an integral part of his character. But Cyborg could be white because his race has nothing to do with his character.
The new RUclips logo actually stands for "Brand first then you"
I have a rather mixed opinion about character representation in movies. I'm of the opinion if a character's race/ethnicity is inherent or important to their development and backstory, then the representation of that character should definitely be accurate to the source material. In short, if the ethnicity is relevant to the plot, proper representation should occur. If not, feel free to use whichever actor fits the role.
sinkor22 maybe because they were good actors, and it's a childrens/family movie. It's literally a fantasy world where there is magic, talking furniture, and a beastman. But black people ruin it for you. k
SInkor22 He just said that you idiot. If it is in Medieval Europe then the back story of all those crusaders is important... Use your brain. He's talking about characters like Spiderman etc being black or whatever. Ethnicity is not important for that character to work like with crusader sergeants and shit.
Are any of the ethnicities in Beauty and the Beast particularly plot relevant? Do any of those black characters have something in their background that is related to their ethnicity? I'd say no. if no characters have something plot relevant connecting to their ethnicity, directors have free range in casting whoever they wish.
+TheOuss121
The plot relies on the setting.
The setting relies on having realistic racial representation.
Therefore, the plot relies on having realistic racial representation.
TheOuss121 couldnt agree more
Anyone caught faking a hate crime should be forced to serve the max sentence of said hate crime.
forty McNuggets haha. I don't think the quaran will allow it
forty McNuggets how do u fake a hate crime?? 🤔
Thanks! I needed more rude people in my life. 😁😁
Teeny Tiny Draws my point was if ur "acting" out a hate crime, ur still actually doing it whether ur intent was funny or not.
Teeny Tiny Draws but...the conviction he is looking at is Only for filing a false report. Also, if they always got maximum punishment, conviction rates would go down, as people would be a Lot less willing to plead guilty. Ive always had this at the back of my mind, however, because i dont think it's right to forcibly create dissent amongst people because of "snitches."
But, thats a whole 'notha conversation altogether. Point is, impossible for the system to hold itself up by drastically changing the way convictions work. Not saying another, possibly better, way is impossible, just highly unlikely to ever see in our day.
Since I am Mexican I not allowed to dye my hair blond, straighten my hair, put my hair in boxer braids because it is not my culture? That is what many of these "woke" people are saying (not here in RUclips, I seen a lot of Instagram pages saying this) I believe that is absurd! I think we should ALL be allowed to wear the type of clothing, hair, etc every culture has to offer. Of course you can't go out acting/dressing like a stereotypical Mexican or a stereotype of another culture and making fun of it, cause that is legitimately racist. Any race can and should able to wear any other fashion another race has invented. As long as they don't go "oh yeah I invented this style." : - )
Agreed. Plus, no one culture is original anyways. Humans have been taking from each other since the beginning of time.
+Nug Humper Pretty much. We have been ripping each other off for thousands of years.
Ximena Arredondo
Blond and straight hair aren't culture. Their plenty of people with naturally straight or blonde hair, that's just a genetics things. It's fine to share culture, its simply crediting that Latinas want. A lot of their culture was wiped away in the past so I'd imagine they like to keep some of it
Ximena Arredondo You can go out acting/dressing like a stereotype whether it's racist or not, freedom of speech and expression allows someone to be racist
Ximena Arredondo No, you are allowed to do all of that. It's white people that can't do it because of Status Quo some centuries ago.
The way I see it, if someone of one race is getting shit for playing the character of another race, then the same should go for all others. If not, it's racist no? One race is being hated on for one thing but the other race doesn't get hate for it??? Just doesn't make sense to me
Chase Burns i think it really boils down to inclusion and diversity. hollywood keeps hiring white actors (to portray different races and ethnics) because they know that it will sell better. this results in POC actors having incredibly little representation in films and most of the roles that they do get, are just bottom line stupid and stereotypical.
Frankly, any comic or book or anything else when adapted for TV and movies should stick as close to the source material as possible. Whites plays white characters, Blacks play Black characters, Asians play Asian characters and so on. That is all that should matter as it will keep the main fan base happy.
And on a side note, if SJWs and leftists are so obsessed with making sure every color gets a fair shot, why do they make it their life goal to demonize and belittle white people simply for existing. The fact is, if a White person is cast to play an Asian character and is forced to turn down the role because of the backlash, a Black person cast to play a White character should be expected to do the same, no ifs, ands, or buts. You don't correct historical discrimination against minorities by discriminating against Whites. Those doing it now are no better than those who did it in the past.
shrekbeard Instead of "backlash", don't you mean "Blacklash"😂😂
I think that's true for remakes, but it's different for things "based on" the story. Just like how West side story is based off of Romeo and Juliet, it's alright to shift ethnicities and locations and stuff like that in order to change the story. If the story isn't good anymore, that just makes it a bad film, not a racist one.
Rick Harris what if it's set in a country which isn't diverse.
if a film was in Japan. it would be strange for almost every person to be white, or black or brown. so I'd say that in certain situations race should be taken into account.
Funny thing is, it's not even discriminating against whites in this situation. If the argument is that POC are descriminated against and had a terrible history, they seriously need to open a history book. I've heard people say things like "Well, the Irish aren't discriminated anymore!" They need to take a trip to Britain, then bite their damn tongues.
yippykiay13 don't know if you're saying the Irish used to be discriminated against in Britain or if they still are because noone I know discriminates against Irish people
Please do not think of this as an acceptance of vertical video and start making vertical videos. You should still always hold your phone sideways when recording video. Vertical video is still cancer, youtube is just trying to make it less cancer.
It is the same. Just because Alice Monaghan is a minority, does not mean she should be an exception. The original character was a redheaded Irish woman, and having an African American woman would do the character wrong. We want the movie to be as close to the comics as possible. You can't argue that a white shouldn't play a role because the character was Asian, and then not criticize a Black woman play a character who was white simply because of her race. Its racist to some extent, but all in all its just immoral and wrong.
Santa5125 Personally I don't care who plays the role unless race actually plays a factor into the character. But progressives (regressives, I say this as som1 on the left) are very hypocritical on this topic. They only care if a non-white character is replaced
Yeah because we don't need more white people, The point is to increase diversity
Yeah but like white-washing has always been an issue...
Tessa O'Doherty but we also need accuracy.
+Santa5125 I agree with you as someone that is African-American, one turn deserves another.
12:10 Is the South Korean Air Force sponsored by Coca-Cola?
Ruby Roo z had the exact same thought.
They should switch to Pepsi; they're good at resolving conflicts.
I'm from South Korea and I actually find this comment funny
Disney I think
South Korea for the win! (even though I don't live there)
It's definitely worrying that North Korea is freely testing out missiles over Japan.
R.I.P Anime :(
I can't even begin to imagine how terrifying it must have been getting alerts like that and waking up to sirens blaring. I want to think that nothing is going to happen but as the weeks pass it really seems how Phil says, uncertain.
Yes, exactly. and more.
The ghost in the shell movie wasn't white washing at all. The actual soul of the person in Major's body was a Japanese woman but the "shell" or body that they put her inside of is clearly white. Even in the manga she had blue eyes and the original Japanese animated movie. Also they always refered to her as just Major in all of the series and every piece of content for most of the time. It wasn't white washing at all, Japanese media is capable of having white characters just how western media has Asian characters.
Exactly. Her name didn't change either. She clearly had a Asian mother and her name was exactly what Phil said. That was a fail from Phil and anyone who thought Gits was white washes didn't understand the source material
A year of jail time seems spot on to me. He wasted our officers time leaving them chasing this nonsense when they could have been actually helping people...but sadly he will probably get off with a few months of probation. Our judicial system is jacked up
Shame they don't apply this standard to the thousands of made-up hate crimes the left perpetuated following Trump's election. Or the millions of false rape accusations.
Filing a fake police report should come with a HEAVY punishment to ensure nobody does it.
I would love to see more Asian-American representation in the media. Looking back on my childhood, I realized that the lack of this representation really lended in effecting my self-esteem. Growing up in the Mid-West, there weren't many other Asian-Americans, and the lack of representation in the media (among other things) led to me forming a very toxic mentality of hating my skin color, because simply I thought it wasn't good enough as being white. This is one of the reasons I was attracted to RUclips at first, because I found Asian-American content creators that were just normal people, and not the overly used stereotypes people will attach to all Asians. Whitewashing may seem silly to some, but to others it might be important. What surprised me most is the film's response in that they would be more considerate of the authenticity of the role. It's great to see that Ed's actions might have actually changed something.
This, I find this too relatable. As a half asian guy who loves film and TV it kinda sucked growing up with so few heroes to look up too that looked similar to how I did. I think it'd be awesome to see a little more asian and mixed race representation on the big screen.
Its crazy how films from Asia that are adapted into 'Western' hollywood films lack Asian Americans. Its actually comical because they will sprinkle a few black characters usually men, because you know diversity and thats about it. Its like they are afraid to cast Asian americans if they aren't playing the geek, nerd, or freshie. I dont get it
Also as a minority myself, this seems kind of dumb.
Even when I was a child I didn't have to have a brown Latina heroine to be happy with myself. My country didn't exactly have a good cinema industry so I mostly watched cartoons and European/North American movies. Skin, gender, nationality and even religion are not necessary for a character to be relatable (or at least for well-written characters).
If you want to feel identified with someone when you're a child, you have your parents, your neighbours, your teachers, national idols and even classmates. The self-steem of a child/teen/young adult shouldn't be based on how many people look like them in films.
Just saying, this could lead serious emotional issue after a while.
That is great for you, but people have different experiences, and it was very different for me growing up. I was not surrounded by a large Asian-American community (almost non-existent), and I was also adopted. So, I had white parents who could teach me nothing about my own culture, and on top of this, I grew up in Kansas, in a largely white community that is very quick to point out the color of your skin. It is hard to feel identified with your parents, neighbors, teachers, national idols, classmates, when it is made clear to you at a very young age that you are not like them. Of course, ideally yes, skin, gender, nationality, are not a necessity for a character to be relatable, but the reality is that sometimes it can be for some people. And, as I said, the "self-esteem" thing is not entirely based on the film industry, but I believe it is a contributing factor (at least in my own story).
I hope this is very clear to you that I am not blaming this all on the industry. I am sharing this with you in hopes that you see that people have different stories and different backgrounds, even if we share the similarity of being a minority. In an ideal world, something as ridiculous as skin color wouldn't have to matter, even in film. The reality though, is that for some, it matters.
I understand your feelings. But I have to repeat myself here "Just saying, this could lead serious emotional issue after a while."
As a non American this whole casting based on ethnicity of an actor is racist as fuck.
Why don't you just choose your actors based on ability and not their race?
Why is race such a big deal?
Misha I wish I could live to see a movie about black slavery portrayed by white people just because someone thought some actors were better than black ones that wanted to play in that movie. I'd LOOOVE to see a shit show about that.
UnicornSpaceWhale When the race of the character doesn't matter in the story, it shouldn't matter in the casting
You aware that white people were slaves as well?
do you know anything about ottomans regime or the viking conquest over british isles?
So it wouldnt be hard to make a film based around those events.. actually there already are films about those times starring only white people as its historically correct for that location and time period
Misha I think Americans have taken up the bad habit of listening to all kinds of Nazis to much
UnicornSpaceWhale
Dude ... there are black women fighting on the WW2 front according to Call of Duty devs ... . Years ago i watched a movie about the greek mythology and Orpheus was played by a black dude ... so ... get used to it.
It's called equality for a reason. If people are getting up in arms about Ed they should be equally up in arms about the redhead chick being played by a black girl. The second you decide one isn't offensive and the other one is you enter into hypocrisy. Personally I don't care one way or the other. It's up to the director and writer's interpretation of the source material.
Amen
Took the words right out of my mouth thanks for saying what I've had on my mind since watching this.
the difference is that white people have enough roles and options available while minorities rarely get leading roles.
PhatTony92 aye I'm black and LMAO how do you make Mary Jane black smh
I think what's most interesting about the whole identity politics debacle is that there are those who look at this issue of diversity in media in a vacuum and those who do not. Sure, you can say that if one case is offensive then ALL cases have to be offensive but I think you miss a critical point of the argument for inclusion. Media has historically depicted Asian people in a very specific, and sometimes negative light. I don't find a issue with someone recognizing that and taking themselves out of the situation. No harm and no foul on both sides.
I love my DeFranco fans but I just wanted to give you guys 5 mins of my time to tell you NOT to CLICK the LINKS made by Fake DeFranco Accounts. Have a nice day
LUX - report the comments/account too
Yup! Reminder: the real owner of the channel will have their name highlighted in blue when posting comments.
It's becoming more and more annoying and they are bolder and bolder every time, seriously 7 spam comments with 4 self-responses each?
RUclips should stop demonetizing videos and start doing something about this
As a person of colour, I actually don't like when they change an established white character's race just because. Why not create new, ethnically diverse characters or use more of the already established, ethnically diverse characters from the source material? Sure, Miles Morales (the new half-black, half-hispanic Spider-Man) is a new character, but who do you think of when someone says "Spider-Man"? Recently all we get is second-hand heroes and icons. It's diversity for the sake of diversity.
In ultimate spiderman vs the sinister 6 they called him Kid Arachnid I think. I thought that was nice it made it far less confusing.
As far as I'm concerned... plaid shirts aren't just Latinx culture? So what, lumberjack culture is being attacked too? Maybe I am wrong, but plaid is kind of a common print. This is coming from someone who actually despises everything Kylie and Kendall stand for. I think some people just want to hate them because it's popular to do so, and not for a real reason, like them ACTUALLY stealing art, or clothing.
I agree. How tf is an oversized plaid shirt stealing someone's culture? People should be more mad at the insane price, not turning it into an appropriation issue..
It's the thing where you button up the top buttons and nothing else so it splits as seen in their instagram image, which is common among Latino gangsters. People got triggered over nothing.
It's obvious they were inspired by it and wanted to sell clothing like it, but people for some reason thought that a white person wearing the same clothes is somehow racism.
People should be mad it's $100 fucking dollars, not because they're copying some gang bangers looks.
Casey Cashew lol I know right.
Cholas be complaining that someone stole what they stole. smh
Plaid pattern is a Scottish thing and it's actually called tartan. I'm other words, Cholos culturally appropriated Scottish culture. Also flannel as a fabric is a Welsh thing
I think it's hypocritical that they only got angry about the Asian character and not about a white character. If you're going to be racist and focus on race at least be consistent.
Checked shirts are more known for lumberjacks or farmers, this is reaching at it's finest. BUT that price is ridiculous
TheFoleyThree Maybe around your neck of the woods, but that is not true everywhere.
Most high quality flannels are at least 90 dollars
... But Woolrich Woolen Mills first put out the Buffalo Plaid shirt in the 1850s.
mainetoday.com/fashion-3/a-brief-history-of-buffalo-plaid/
They were popular with people who worked outdoors. Like lumberjacks.
ThatOneKid Come on man, unless your mom was going to high school in 1914 (when Paul Bunyan was gaining notoriety) I highly doubt that latinos were the first to wear flannels and if anything they're appropriating Scottish culture because plaid owes its origins to Scottish clan tartans. Woolrich created its red Buffalo Check ( MacGregor Red and Black tartan in the registry of official tartans)plaid design in 1850. And last I checked it's just a shirt, so I don't see why people are getting so anal about it, just because they wore it one way in an Instagram picture doesn't mean you have to wear it that way
ThatOneKid Calm down it's a fucking shirt.
RE: Ghost in the Shell. "Major" Motoko Kusanagi was NOT Japanese in the anime or manga. SPOILERS: The character who 'died' and became Major was Japanese (in the movie, this isn't touched on in the anime), but the new body that was created for Major. In the anime, Major has clearly Caucasian skin, blue eyes (not common among Asians). Further, this takes place in a world where many people have cybernetics and prosthetic body parts, so non-Japanese skin tones were common on Japanese individuals. Finally, it's stated in the anime that Major's new body was designed to accentuate her physical beauty. That's not to say that Japanese people are more or less beautiful than Caucasians, but that the body was designed by someone's subjective standard of beautify, which could be White Black or anything in between.
Few things about that whitewashing story
1. Ed's choice is his alone, he wants to step down for whatever reason, he can.
2. Japanese people really and i mean REALLY don't care about whitewashing. I've seen it many times, white people, usually American liberals, telling Japanese people to be OFFENDED because their culture is being appropriated, and Japanese people telling them to fuck off. This time it might be different, i don't know who was outraged specifically, but every previous time Japanese people specifically didn't care about "whitewashing"
3. I don't want to see lower quality actors get roles in movies just because "their ethnicity is closer to that of the original character". Ed is an amazing actor and he'd do a great job in that role which is why im kinda sad he left, and i just genuinely hope they dont try so damn hard to find a person with mixed Asian heritage and completely ignore that persons acting abilities, giving that role to a shit actor just because his heritage is closer to what was intended.
Both, there's a video on RUclips where they ask Asians what they thought about The Ghost in The Shell, not one of them gave a shit about the ethnicity of the main character and thought it was a good film.
I think by definition Japanese people refers to the people living in Japan not the Americans with Asian origins living in the US. And they are often thrilled by white people getting interested in the culture, they don't see this as a thief or whatever, Japan is actually trying to expand its cultural influence even more.
Japanese and really Asians in general don't give a shit about it because their educational system hasn't been infiltrated by Marxists propaganda. In general Asians never really cause a fuzz when it comes to politics, entertainment or culture. If they like something or are interested they go watch it and enjoy it, if they don't then they just ignore it. They just go their own way, work hard, and ignore bullshit.
But imagine if they did give a shit. I'm guessing they would have some very harsh words for these idiotic SJWs claiming to speak for them. It's so fucking condescending of these middle class white kids feeling sorry and offended on behalf of an entire race.
Yes, I'm half Japanese, I've lived here most of my life, and I couldn't care less if some white guy decided to wear Kimono or Hakama or what have you.
It's not cultural appropriation. I think of it more as appreciation.
That said, there are some racist elements here in Japan. There is undeniably a tiny amount of xenophobia in Japan, but that's mostly coming from old Japanese people who are living in the past. Younger Japanese people are very accepting.
There is a difference between Asian people living in Asia and Asian Americans wanting representation. Japan has their own entertainment with TV shows and films that reflect and represent them. Whereas for Asian Americans in America, Hollywood is the only mainstream form of entertainment, and they would like to see themselves reflected on screen.
Im Asian. Im happy that asians are getting represented in Hollywood or wherever. However I was raised that you should be judged by skill set. I don't care if an asian role is played by a white role or vice versa and the many possibilities. If the actor regardless of race is the most talented and skilled for the role I honestly couldn't care less. Great actors make great movies not skin color. You could go back and bring up Hamilton. They cast members based on skill set and not historical race. George Washington could be played by a white person one season and a black person the next. Personally I would hate for me to get a role because of my skin color and not because of my skill set. It makes me feel underserving of the role because I didn't earn it. If someone regardless of race or ethnicity would present that role, regardless of the role, better than I because they were better in that skill set so be it.
The problem I have with "whitewashing" is not that it's racist, but lazy. These studios take the easy route and pick a big name or just look at a small group of people. If they took the effort to try and cast people of correct race in these roles, they could potentially discover a lot of talented people who wouldn't have otherwise been found. Look at Moana, for example. They actually went to Hawaii and found a native Hawaiin to voice a Polynesian character. She would have probably never gotten such a big role if Disney hadn't looked out side the box, or even discovered at all. I don't expect all studios to go to different countries to find stas, but if they did try to diversify just a little bit, they may find a diamond or two in the rough.
ShiningDialga same thing could be said about blackwashing too.
clivetchurl And I think if we did the math we would find out that based on population size, Hollywood has been doing a good job for decades. Casting based on population breakdown is clearly a thing. Token black is a thing because black people are still just 13% of the population, despite how much time we spend talking about black people. Asians are just 3%. I think you could probably make a logical argument about the sizeable population of Latinos and Hispanics being underrepresented not in casting, but in cultural representation in TV and movies on the whole. But then you get into even more sticky grey areas like Latinos and Hispanics historically feeling closer to Caucasian roots than other parts of their ancestry. That can even apply to Asians. I know Asian Americans who are 3rd generation who feel closer to the their 'white' American/European heritage than their Asian heritage.
And this shit gets so complicated and fuzzy that it is just better to not talk about. I personally would cast or hire the best person while also trying to maintain loyal to the source material.
ShiningDialga I want to add to this comment the fact that in a lot of cases the ethnicity and cultural heritage of a character actually has an impact on their worldview/actions (for example, I don't think the Death Note anime would be the same if all the characters were the same but lived on the US or Britain).
GoldenGail3 Except white stars are far more common, and thus easier to find. You'd be more likely to end up with another B-lister.
Anybody else wonder why Hollywood uses a bunch of British actors playing American characters instead of... well, Americans!!!
MadRespeck seriously?
MadRespeck I can't tell if you're joking or not
Katy Jenkins Donovan- actually in not lol, look at every major Hollywood film, instead of getting American actors they use British actors that use American accents
I thought cultural appropriation was a joke..? Is it real? Do people get annoyed when other people like their culture? In Sweden where i'm from we really like tacos. Is that racist?
Yes it's real, but this chola thing is more like a style issue instead a cultural issue. I'm from Mexico and i'm glad to read you like tacos. But a cultural appropriation is when someone takes a part of your culture and try to sell it as his own. Like if you sell tacos in your country and sell it as something else, they look like tacos, they taste like tacos, but you're selling them as something else and you don't give credit to the culture where it's from. I don't think you would appreciate if someone takes a part of your culture and earn money of it. Hope i made my point, greetings and sorry if my english isn't right hehe.
Yes what you're saying makes sense. And I know it's annoying when hollywood tries to make a movie about vikings and they make my ancestors look like the orcs in Lord of The Rings.. But the term "cultural appropriation" seems to be used for when someone likes and embraces something that is originally part of a culture they arn't born into. Like when a white person has dreadlocks and listens to reggae, or when a black person eats sushi. And that is just crazy to me.
And a mildly annoying redroduction of one's culture still isn't worth crying about. Maybe it's worth informing people of where the culture is from, and how it actually is though.
+Frxiis ~ Any comment on the fact that those plaid shirts are actually white culture? Like Canadian lumberjacks? What about the fact that plaid itself is Scottish in origin, from their tartan patterns that were unique to each clan and most commonly seen on kilts?
+usucdik ~ Here's a concept for you to consider: more than one person can have the same thought. Probably helps to actually be capable of _intelligent_ thought to realize that though. Guess that leaves you out.
Yep that is true. It is very "stolen" to begin with...
So so so so so so so so many fake Philly d accounts
Trojianmaru lol i know it's annoying but I've been noticing it on just about every RUclipsr I've watched this week
I cant believe people still fall for it smh
Alex Stark OOOoOH ReaLlY
Nuke_DESTROYERS 2 report them and move on
Darksora79 lol, rude
As someone who is half Asian, I find it... kinda just strange that you just don't see a lot of Asians in big roles in movies or shows. Not to say that it NEVER happens, but it just feels as tho Asians aren't as represented in entertainment as other races. Not sure whether I am upset at that or just kinda off-put by it, but whenever I see an Asian actor or actress score a role it makes me feel a little better. Not a lot of role models that don't do martial arts that I can look up to in Hollywood. I don't know, I wouldn't be up in arms protesting the movie if they cast that guy as a white dude, but I just want to see Asians better represented.
John Z asainz are smart and cute
John Z It is strange. Do you think that like the wage gap myth that there is any adverse selection common in Asian families to get into entertainment? I have no data, am just wondering
John Z I agree! Alot of people treat race like strictly black and white or if they do add another race it's Latino or Arabic. Asians don't seem to get that much representation. If love to see more cast and in different roles
John Z yeah, in all honesty I don't give a fuck about white washing in most cases unless it's an asian male. When it comes to virtually all other demographics, the number of characters portrayed in media is equal to their percentage of the population. Except for asian men and Native Americans. The only other time changing a character's race bothers me is if it's integral to the story, like Iron Fist needs to be white because his character is a "stranger in a strange land".
Especially when the color of a characters skin isn't what matters in a movie. We're all still humans who face the same problems and dilemmas. If they're a good actor, hire them! Also type casting. Like how when I say Daniel Radcliff you immediately think of the wizard child. That's why you don't see ol Danny in too many roles outside Harry Potter. Maybe type casting has something to do with it.
Charging that much for a shirt like that is just plain stealing. Please arrest them.
I wish I could refute that.
people who falsely report crimes should get a sentence equal to that of whatever crime they're accusing someone of committing
The Jenners are trying to sell some Scarce shirts
scarce should sue
If its a historical role, or based in history, you should keep the ethnicities the same, but if its not, It shouldn't matter.
er mer gerd white washing in hollywerd ........ black dude in fantastic four and a black girl in Annie and idris elba as Heimdall....... can we move along ?
RACE IS NOT CULTURE.
When they say that he is not respecting the culture of the Asians? Guess what? THERE ARE WHITE PEOPLE WHO LIVE IN ASIA. They live and grow up in that culture.
Hypothetical: A white boy is born in Japan, he grows up speaking Japanese, he goes to school there and plays with his Japanese friends. He goes to college in America for acting, he gets a part in a major film playing a character who's Asian in the source material. Do you know what happens next? Racists call him out FOR THE COLOR OF HIS SKIN, and demand that he not play the part in the film because he doesn't look like the people who have the culture that he has.
This isn't exactly the case in this situation, but it easily could be in the next one, that's what happens when you JUDGE PEOPLE ON THE COLOR OF THEIR SKIN, and not on their acting skills or ability to portray the character in a good light and show the culture that is meant to be shown.
1armbiker AMEN!
Precisely. Complaining about "whitewashing" asian toles is essentially saying "give me someone with squinty eyes!"
There would be no outrage if a chinese or korean actor was cast as a japanese character, despite the fact that they are 3 entirely different cultures with their own languages.
But what's the probability of that Hypothetical? Low. The probability out of all those Asians that could easily play an Asian role who are also in sync with their culture not being picked for role and a white man/woman substituting him/her ? The very history of Hollywood and the form of cinema itself suggests that it is VERY high. These ideals and complaints aren't coming out of thin air. For me personally, I've always felt it funny but also like a punch in the gut when there's a movie where AUTHENTICALLY the lead guy shouldn't be white but EVERY-SINGLE-BASTARD accurately and authentically displays their environment and place of the story. And you see it over and over again and it just nags at you little by little
Agent22 Actually, people have been angry over situations like that before. For example, even though the woman playing Jasmine is Middle Eastern, she is not Egyptian which had people angry.
1armbiker his grandmother was a Japanese war criminal. It's important to the character.
Good job Ed! I am disabled and queer. When Glee first aired, I was ecstatic at the inclusion of Artie-a paralyzed nerdy singer and guitarist in a wheelchair. Later, I found out that Kevin McjHale who played the role wasn't in fact disabled. This was extremely disappointing to myself and the disabled community at large.In contrast, the same show also cast other disabled actors in disabled roles. These situations were and are important because representation matters. Casting non-disabled actors in disabled roles takes away opportunities from disabled performers to be seen and heard. Media helps shape how society perceives things. Disability is seen as inferior, broken, pitied. I have literally been asked who "cares for me" before because the world cannot comprehend an independent disabled woman in a power wheelchair who has a "normal" life. Media representation helps bust those stereotypes. I can understand why this is a non-issue for many. But if I would have seen a character like Artie on TV as a child it would have made me feel significantly less isolated.
I don't understand how someone can be so upset over a plaid shirt. I just makes no sense!
Flannel as a fabric is a Welsh thing and plaid as a pattern is a Scottish thing. Both countries are and have been majority white so technically Cholos also culturally appropriate.
Yeahhhh that's why a lot of the arguments about it were ridiculous.
They're appropriating lumberjack culture!
I honestly expected the argument to be that they're stealing lesbian culture cause yes I've seen that argument before
Take this for a grain of salt as it is coming from a young white female but the culture appropriation narrative is becoming a little old. My white roommates were approached by an African American selling handmade Dashiki's and they told him they would love to support him but they didn't feel like it would be acceptable to wear one. The guy simply said, "we are all one and if any one says you can't wear it then tell them, we are all one"
Caroline Stahl or like when those women in Oregon tried to sell authentic mexican food but were forced to shut down their business by (a metaphorical) mob
Caroline Stahl well he too was appropriating Swahili culture for his benefits, all in all there's no point in throwing shade over people taking Good ideas from eachother
Geremy Nakhone But but but ... only white people can be racist. If you are not white you are by definition perfect and irreproachable.
Eli N.S well all white people are different, and Came from different and unique cultures of their own it's easier to find similarities between Arabs and Ethiopians than Scotts and Sicilians who are both white people
Genta most of them would identify as white Europeans, but that goes to show my point on how diverse white people are especially in Italy of all places
Remember the last time there was outrage about a black person playing an originally white character?
Me neither.
Ʀenovatio idk if it's the same but that black actor in the Star Wars movie?
Ʀenovatio Annie?
Ʀenovatio I do there was outrage about Johnny storm in Fantastic 4 Phil even covered that one, there was outrage when hermione was black in the broadway performance even though broadway is know for alternative casting, Phil also coved that. There was outrage that Idris Elba was playing a Norse God in Thor, Phil also covered that. More recently outrage that Zendaya was going to be Mary Jane in Spider-Man Phil covered that when it was just a rumor and not confirmed. I feel like you might be ignoring all of that outrage because it doesn't fit your narrative, or maybe you didn't know.
Also there is outrage even if the character wasn't white to begin with too like star wars or guardians of the galaxy.
+Taylor Nelson Iron Fist too; a lot of idiots got pissy when Finn Jones was cast as Iron Fist, claiming it was "whitewashing," when Danny Rand has always been white in the comics.
LMAO who would pay $145 for a plaid shirt? The only thing Kylie and Kendall are stealing is the cash out of people's pockets.I could go to Walmart and buy a $20 flannel instead. It's just a plaid shirt.
Im sorry im kind of new to this channel but
Did he just say we've been philed in
Adrian Sanchez yes
Dominic Joseph is that even legal??
I've been watching for a year now, I just noticed that...
yes
...Legal?
No. God no, there is NO difference in casting white actor as black character or black actor as white character. Treat the characters with respect. I'm so sick of including black characters (just as an example, insert any race instead), just for the sake of including them. If they are good actors and if the role was written for them, all the power, I'll be happy to see more diverse talents. But don't cast already established characters as different races. Create new ones.
Just as a non-movie example. I don't mind as much as many the fact, that Marvel now has black Spider-man, arabic Ms.Marvel or black Iron (wo)Man. Because they didn't say, for example, "Tony Stark is now black". They created a new character and passed the mantle. Hell, I may actually like Miles Morales more than Peter Parker these days. But if they said out of the blue "hey, Peter is actually black" I would be like... wtf? Screw you, Marvel.
SimonCleric SAME
Agree with most of it, but imo they should create an entirely new hero rather than have them riding off the back of a previous character. I don't care if there's a second iron white, cis, straight man called tony stark. Just create a new hero.
So we'll stated. I feel like exact same way. And yes I know many comics of old were mainly white males, but I think newer comics show it is easy enough to make a new character for a minority inclusion. Rather than erase the history of the current series for no good reason.
Also: white people have close to zero problems when a character gets blackwashed (Morgen Freeman in the Shawshank Redemption, Ruth Negga in Preacher, Idris Elba in the Dark Tower). White people are way more grown up about this, it's time minorities (especially black people) should grow up too. You are not under represented. If there is one minority that might have a case about being under represented it's probably only latino's.
I agree with what you have to say, but since no one is writing roles for them, that's why they have to be squeezed in. Also another reason why some white actors are squeezed out. There are POC original characters being cast by white people (recent example Ed Skrein backing down from an Asian role) and vice versa, but it's only because lately media is full of sequels and remakes. So the only way to make it different is to change the demographic, let's be real. But yeah, I agree. If they made more roles for POC, pretty sure this entire issue wouldn't be as drastic as it has been.
I believe the source material should always be respected. If people support Ed Skerin leaving that position because his original character is Asian, then those people better also demand the actress playing Alice Monaghan also resign because her original character is Irish. Otherwise you are favoring someone based on the color of their skin, aka: racism. If one actors heritage doesn't respect the source material, then it doesn't matter if the rest don't either. Either we fully respect source material, or we fully don't.
Matthew Pipes the actress playing Alice is also white, no?
Being Irish isn't a race lmfao.
Matthew Pipes I just want comic accuracy in my movies and shows but nah I get garbage like Flash Thompson in Spider-Man Homecoming
Matthew Pipes I 100% agree with you. The black actress should also step down if not than that is hypocritical and racist.
Matthew Pipes white people have stared in almost all Media for the longest.
Minorities have a reason to demand representation. You have lived your whole life seeing people that look like you represented in all types of media.
There are children that grow up thinking they are not Pretty, or badass, or cool because they don't see people that look like them as princesses, or what ever characters they like.
My point is, minorities have a right to demand accurate representation and white people don't. Because they have always had it. Stop looking to feel offended, this isn't racism it's a step on the right path.
Holy shit i'm so tired of people trying to protect cultures and not letting anyone outside of the culture do anything with it. Any culture is too far gone to try and be preserved make your own damn culture from whatever you want and stop trying to bar others from taking from it. Just because one person uses it doesn't mean another person can't.
You missed the point. It's about making money of a culture that no one is gonna pay attention to unless it is made trendy by some two random celebrities. It is literally using a culture like some sort of hipster fashion equipment and someone is gonna make some big bucks over that. This is what sparked the outrage, I believe you misunderstood the case that was made by people slamming the Jenner.
I'm guessing that you're talking about the Hollywood movie.
As an Asian, I have no problem with other races playing Asian roles. BUT PLEASE also give us roles that were meant to be for other races. Asians hardly get any representation in Hollywood and the few roles that were designed for us are taken away because Hollywood producers have this mentality that the larger American audience are turned off by an Asian lead role.
Cultural appropriation is any other race making profit of another race, it's not about sharing culture.
bravourways I guess I don't really see it because half my family is latino so I've always known the culture and I don't think it isn't noticed but I've also never really identified with that or any culture completely so idk.
Jorge I see what your saying but instead of races it should be cultures. I just don't believe any culture should have the right to one thing you know what I mean. Like its really just a plaid flannel and cholos rock with it heavily.
No, there is no difference between ed and the black lady. I don't know hell boy lore too much, but my opinion is always, if a characters ethnicity/culture is a major aspect of their character, directors should choose actors that properly emulate that. If it isn't, who the hell cares!
I can agree wit that.
The ability to portrait a character well is more than just the color of their skin.
My Nigga Hulk Hogan This
My Nigga Hulk Hogan I don't Really care about the Actor's skin color from the comics to the live action what I do care about is the hipocracy of the situation People shamed The Actor because he wasn't the correct ethnicity to the original but they have no problem when it is a person of color doing the exact same thing that's the problem for me
My Nigga Hulk Hogan I agree, actors, oddly enough, are cast based on their abilities and how well they managed to portray the character during their casting.
but if their race has something to do with the story or the story is placed in a place like Japan where 90+% of the population is of this one race and all, then I think that a character that fits the story and its background is better.
This
I personally feel that an Irish actress should've been cast for the role of the Irish woman in the Hellboy reboot, and an Asian actor cast for the role of the Asian man in the reboot. Keep the reboot true to its roots
If you make a false claim to police your punishment should be EXACTLY what the punishment would have been to the falsely accused individual.
I generally agree with you on the whole hellboy casting, but if they want to make it about race and making it consistent to the source material, then they should be consistent with their beliefs. Not just pick and choose.
As an adaptation it's just plain disrespectful to the original source material to purposely miscast on a visual level for the sake of diversity. Yes, it obviously does not matter to anyone that is not familiar with the original source material, but to the fans that want to see what they've experienced in the past put into a live-action visual medium it's just distracting and immersion breaking, plain and simple.
Truth
Long time fan of the anime, but I wasn't distracted by the character's not being racially accurate to the source material. My immersion was broken by the terrible acting and writing and overall mucking up of the characters they were portraying.
James Oh Burn The dark tower did exactly that
Actually Rick, IIRC they've done a study (can't find the link right now) where white people view anime characters as looking white, but Asian people view them as looking Asian
Rick Harris Partly because that's how the Japanese see themselves, so it makes sense to them, unless it's going for realism. Hell, because of that, it's best to assume such characters are Japanese in an anime unless told otherwise, barring some telling distinction that makes it obvious they aren't.
So only Mexican people in cali can wear flannels !??
Here I was thinking flannel originated from Western Europe.
SynthKing latinx*
I think Lumberjacks/logging workers need to have a few words with them. Or given that the shirts are plaid maybe the Scottish?
Not being from the US I was wondering why lumberjacks and hipsters were called "cholo cholo" cutlure.
Since when is ~any~ style the property of only a certain culture. So if I wear a plaid shirt, suspenders, and jeans I should apologize to lumberjacks for appropriating their "style"? Or if I wear a plaid shirt with a crop top and the top button buttoned, I should apologize to cholas? No one culture owns a clothing style as only theirs and this issue (among others) is getting completely out of hand. How does wearing a certain article of clothing a certain way disenfranchise ANYONE? As for the price of the shirt...I can go on several websites and see a plain t-shirt priced at over $100. I shop at stores that are within my budget, and I don't malign those that aren't. What are we going to fight about next?! There are more important things going on in the world today, people.
I think unless a character's skin colour or location/origin is important to the story or used as a plot point, it should *NOT* matter who's playing them.
Exactly! Like how the Dark Tower casting is terrible because Roland's race is relevant to the story in that universe. Death Note's story and characters aren't tied to race. You can argue it's tied to a location, but white and black people can live in any location...
I've never read the Hellboy comics, so they might have a point with race there. It may be important to the character.
In a perfect and unbiased world, yes, it shouldn't matter. But Hollywood is innately not equal when it comes to representation, race, and gender. Taking away the little existing characters that poc have, and the tendency in the industry to cast white actors over poc in "raceless" roles is why whitewashing and race is always such a big deal and conversation, and why "blackwashing" or "insert race washing" isn't a thing.
Joe, what you're saying is that white people shouldn't be allowed to play something because you think other races deserve to be there instead. That's the very definition of racism. Discrimination based on race. How dare you tell someone they can't do something because of their skin color.
Don't forget that they casted Margaret of Anjou a literal historical figure also known as THE WHITE QUEEN as some random black woman, just because.
There is no such thing as "cultural appropriation". Culture is - and always has - meant to be shared with one another.
Jay Jones exactly!
No their is NO difference I completely 100% agree with falconbox. Since the male actor stepped down so the role should be ethnically right so should the black actress. She should step down and let an Irish women play the role. Since they are all about "The original characters being portrayed ethnically right" she should step down and let an Irish women play the role. If not then that is hypocritical.
Adeniyi .Omishore *virtual applause*
Adeniyi .Omishore No no no you're mistaken only *WHITE* people have to give up their roles , minorities get a pass 😂sheit
Sounds fair to me. Alice has storyline that is actually linked closely to her own culture, much like Ben Daimio having aspects of the story linked to his own. In order to get the best possible Hellboy movie we can, this actress is going to have to do the right thing I guess....
I live in Japan, on military orders, and I'll be glad to wake up everyday, in spite of being in such close proximity to danger like North Korea, to do my work and protect what I love back home.
There is no difference between the two characters. I dont care if they interchange races of characters as long as the actor is casted purely for their acting ability. Id rather watch a movie racially inconsistant from the source but with amazing actors that add to the movie rather than a racially consistant movie with bland uninteresting characters. If the race of the character stands out over the personality, the actor/movie is bad. I dont agree with racial diversity for diversity's sake. That seems like a shallow and racist stance to me, to include people by stripping them down to their race. If you wouldnt exclude someone for their race, you shouldnt include them for their race. As for the black woman playing an irish woman, i dont care as long as she does her job well, but i didnt care about a white playing an asian. However, if you were indifferent/pleased with the former(and vice versa), yet angry with the latter(ladder?), you are undoubtedly a hypocritical racist. IMPORTANT SIDE NOTE: I find it ridiculous that this turned into a moral issue. This should have remained as a personal choice an actor made because he respects the source material, not some moral grand standing. In that case they should be consistant with black actor and white actor in how they treat them (both playing characters of different races). Also, arent these characters fake anyway? People can suspend their disbelief for dragons, wonderwoman, spiderman, hobbits, and wizard highschools but when it comes to race movies better be realistic. People pick apart movies for racial/gender inconsistancy and turn around and make fun of nerds for paying enough attention to find plotholes(you know, the thing that matters to make a good movie). Am I the only FUCKING sane person here? I MEAN WILL WE HAVE TO CAST A BABY DEMON KIDNAPPED FROM HELL BY NAZIS TO BE AS CLOSE TO THE SOURCE MATERIAL AS POSSIBLE!?!? AND MAYBE WE SHOULD CAST REAL NAZIS TO PLAY THE NAZIS!!!! BECAUSE I BET THE PEOPLE COMPLAINING ABOUT THIS SHIT WOULD BE REAL HAPPY WITH THAT SEEING AS THEY THE SOURCE MATERIAL SOOOOO MUCH THAT I DOUBT THEYVE EVER READ IT OR EVEN SEEN THE ORIGINAL MOVIES!!!! STRIKE ME DOWN GOD! THE IDIOTS HAVE TAKEN OVER AND THEY HAVE DOMINION OVER US ALL!!!!!!!!
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No, you are not. The only thing that I care while consuming any kind of media is that the final product was the result of the artist vision and at the same time said product is good. I wish that creators stop felling morally obliged to change their art just because it doesn't fit other people's way of being progressive.
Wil Ragan yes^
I don't give a shit about what gender or race plays a role, I care if they do a good job or not. The fact that people are making such a big deal out of it is annoying.
Edit: Also great comment 👍
I love how this started as a perfectly calm and reasonable comment and then turned into old man Ragan yelling at the heavens as it ended.
Also, I'm with you the whole way.
Fellow Prisoner: What ya in for?
Witt: Uhhhhh.
I only care about gender or race if it fits the history or timeline that the film is set. Like dr. Strange. I wasn't so bothered by the fact that she was a woman but that a Tibetan monk was being played by a European. Also Gods of Egypt .... why they all white? But it also irks me when I see character like Lancelot being portrayed by an African American in OUAT.
So if the source material suggests the bad guy grew up in Asia and that has some part to his back story of why he's evil.... then yes, he should be Asian. If the Irish girl being Irish is critical to the characters story then she should be Irish. I am all for inclusion, in fact I cheer for it, but only if it makes sense for the story or character.
jumpergirls agreed!
jumpergirls Egyptians are generally white tho lol.
Egyptians were only "white" after the Roman occupation giggles giggles, before they were mostly brown skinned and yes crazy right? Black
Paulo Normil But they weren't sub-Saharan black, only the Nubians.
Zeeno SwagMaster not true , just a simple google search would prove your statement wrong
Honestly i don't care much about anime adaptations being particularly "perfect" when it comes to making sure the characters are the same ethnicity, or that the setup is the same (ie recording in the US when the anime is obviously Japan). I feel like sticking too close to canon would stifle production too much.
When it comes to casting roles in Hollywood, I just gotta love the hypocrisy at play. When Domino in the new Deadpool movie was cast to a black woman, it's okay and any critics who wished for the character to be 100% loyal to her comic book depiction is considered racist for even thinking so. Then a case of white washing in the new Hellboy and Dr. Strange happens and all of a sudden everyone cares about the character being 100% loyal to their comic book depiction. It's really pathetic how people will easily flip-flop on positions when it suits them.
Ahh... The consistency of the progressive left... It is quite the sight.
Ah, but the hypocrisy often cuts both ways. The people who are arguing for comics-accurate representations when a minority actor is cast in a white role are often the same ones defending white actors being cast in minority roles.
Idk what your talking about in still miffed that she's not accurately portrayed as she is in the comics. The worse thing they can do is change her personality. As some people have pointed out what happened with L in death note.
Ryan Gonyar Eh, no. There may be a small group of comics purists, who want the movie to be exactly like the comics. While I personally disagree with them, their opinion is valid and reasonable. The much larger group only dislikes whitewashing, see exhibit A in the video...
it's a plaid shirt. i just.. what ?? by that logic, cholas are culturally appropriating scottish culture because plaid is most definitely scottish.
Katie Kat I'm a bit confused. Plaid is a Welsh word, wouldn't the Scottish name it with a Scottish word?
I got to agree with you, cultural insensitivity is bad, but it's a plaid shirt. If it's offensive to sell that then what isn't offensive?
Katie Kat I mean they tried to but tbh failed thats the most offensive part in my opinion. (Kidding, a joke)
Katie Kat i always associated plaid with scottish than latinos.
The Scottish word is Tartan.
Really? Folks are losing their shit over a plaid shirt? A plaid shirt is a plaid shirt! Staple of grunge rockers and lumberjacks and working class people! A shirt's a shirt. Clothing was invented to protect the human body from the elements, and as far as I can tell, nobody owns the patent or copyright on CLOTHING.
Did you know that Plaid patterns are a part of Hallstatt culture, the predominant Western and Central European culture of Early Iron Age Europe from the 8th to 6th centuries BC?
it's literally shirt. chill
I feel like if it hadn't been for the picture on Instagram, which was obviously a gangster/chola style, nobody would have batted an eye on the shirt.
ShelbyFromTheTwp Plaid shirts are racist
it's not the plaid shirt itself it's the way they styled it in the photo in an obvious chola style and making money off that culture
On the style story, wouldn't it be considered more racist for a group of people to not let "outsiders" wear their clothing style rather than just welcoming other people groups to wear the same if they wanted to? Idk just wondering.
You know how the officer said it was an accident opening the packaging? I think that's genuinely what happened. He cut himself, wanted to Snapchat it, saw an opportunity for a story that will get him more attention and then someone goes to him 'DUDE CALL THE POLICE.' I think this is a dumb kid in the body of a grown man making dumb kid decisions
Why is it always when a White actor gets the role it's whitewashing but in the same movie of death Note L an Asian character was changed to be a Black guy and his portrayal of the role was not that of the original source material in the original L is cool calm and Collective in the US version he is seen as unstable manic almost psychotic but no that's not black washing is it
Because double standards.
TormentedTony Deathnote was just a mess as a whole. They should've just made everyone Japanese or at least let it take place in Japan because it meant a lot to the story.
All I heard in the comment section and by fans was his race. But you probably didn't hear that because it doesn't support your world view.
The community was mad about L as well not just Light. Honestly that whole movie was an abomination.
Hajar Mdn thank you, clearly on every Netflix page when the movie came out there was tonsss of backlash at L and alllll the actors.
The huge difference between Ed Skrein's decision and that of Sasha Lane is probably etiquette. Ed's decision is obviously from the heart and no hesitation. It's not that Sasha has no etiquette, but it seems that even for a mountain of gold, Ed will still turn down the offer, while on the other hand, it might not be a big of a deal for Sasha, especially when grabbing a golden opportunity and to earn a decent living.
Creative North well said
Creative North He's obviously aware of the growing racism issues nowadays
True. With whitewashing or not, anyone can make decision to accept a role that don't actually fit his/her character, appearance, or whatnot. It's your conscience and sensitivity that should guide you when making decisions for things like that.
Creative North She should step down to.
She doesn't have to step down, neither did Ed but it's fucking ridiculous to bitch about Ed and NOT Sasha.
Ed Skrein gets SO much respect from me for this! He seemingly doesn't need it, but I've never heard of someone stepping down from a role over a white-washing controversy. Very noble!
I'm pretty sure that like 90% of the people who are mad at the "white washing" didn't even read the original comics. As a Mexican American of course I would like to see roles played by people of color, but I also want to see the best content possible. If it means casting an actor that is different race from the source material, then go for it!
alexisdlg96 was it good tho🙂🤔
In regards to the white washing bullshit on anime, yes the DeathNote one has some merit but did people complain about blackwashing when they made L black? And on Ghost in the Shell Major is a Robot, the creator of Ghost in the Shell said HIMSELF that he Liked the casting of Scarlett.
Concerning L being black. Yes, people have complained.
Also, literally I have no idea why people get upset about Death Note, they stated this is a new story, borrowing them,es and no more, so meh, it's a whole new World.
because they used the excuse of "its a new story" they can techniqually change stuff. but Light's character has some base on his heritage.
also L's true heritage is unknown. we don't know what country he comes from or his heritage. so casting him as a black person doesn't necessarily matter. while its untrue to the story it doesnt change anything. unlike light's new coat of paint.
xBluegamerx Actually, yes, a whole binch of people complained. In fact, a quirk of L was how pale he was from never going outside, and well, that's not exactly an option now.
I'm complaining now. It sucked. On its own it would've been a fine movie, but to take an adaptation of first a manga and then second an anime where each character had its specific role, setting, appearances, etc. and then to completely change it for the ease of a PC society is bullshit. I'm incredibly disappointed, because the creators and directors of the movie had a platform to give light and applause to the anime world and their creators and they basically shut it off. Now, anyone who watches death note the movie will see it as another teen rom com and not the badass art it really is.
xBluegamerx black =\= Asian? Also I'm actually pretty sure snowflakes like you were complaining that L is black
*L* from Death Note isn't black in the Anime!
But Light is also not asian in the movie, so they're just fucking it up on more than one level.
Diogo Almeida but it's okay for diversity
I wish people wouldn't care so much about skin color of actors. I feel like it's ruining movies. let the best actor for the part play the role.
but I feel like it is a little bit different for Death note, precisely for L. In the anime he`s a super thin, pale white guy. His skin colour is corpse white because he rarely goes out like a guy who spends the whole day in front of his computer in a dark room. Ls whiteness looks sick and in combination with his hairstyle he looks neglected/desolated. Seeing the Death Note movie with the black L I didn`t get the vibe of that being the case which is sad because it was a major characteristic of L
Funny thing is, L was like the only white guy in the anime. The rest I think were Japanese.
If Mary Jane Watson is a Caucasian red head, then I better see a Caucasian red head in the movie. I understand people want to bring in diversity to movies but people should stick to the looks of the source material as well.
Toxic Holocaust 36 Youre god damn right.
However, despite the MJ thing, she isn't the same character. Her name is Michelle, Not Mary Jane.
The girl in the movie wasn't Mary Jane tho