I use "rubberized mulch" sold in the garden department of the local hardware store, used for landscaping. Simply fill a cardboard box with it and stick a shoot n c target on the side of the box.
Great video gary. Here is another silent trap you can try. Use a standard pellet catcher place an old t towel at bottom then fill with plastercine till it's 1inch from top.super quite. 7 bars of plastercine cost 20 quid and it will fill 3 traps but once trap is full you can separate pellets and use plastercine again. Hope this helps.😊
Melted some lead inside a metal tray a few years ago and since use it as the back plate of my pellet cacher. When the lead pellets hit the lead plate you only hear a little smack. The pallets usually stick in the plate. Very clean. Once a year I melt the plate and spoon the excess lead off. For "experimentation purposes..." ;-)
The two quietest silencers I’ve heard are the Weihruach which is the Benchmark and the quietest is the A and M TWINK which is ridiculously quiet the pellets hitting the target are the loudest part of the shot. It’s that quiet you think nothing came out of the barrel.
Great video Gary. For a quiet back stop i use a paving slab and some carpet. The loudest sound is the pellet hitting the paper or card target. I once left a target out in the rain and you couldnt hear the pellet hitting it. Hope your on the mend, take care.
One of the quietest backstops I have is some old conveyor belt that I use as a backstop it catches them and they bounce off sometimes depending on how powerful your shooting and the other good one is like a mud flap from like a semi truck those are strong and make good backstops
fyi ;) The inventor of the "silencer" was Hiram Percy Maxim, son of Sir Hiram Stevens Maxim (british) inventor of the machine gun. As well as the Silent Firearm US patent 1909 he invented the exhaust silencer for infernal combustion engines at the same time ca.1902. A swiss chap Jakob Stahel had invented a silenced humane cattle killer in 1892.
Helpful video! A simple plywood box with some fabric (like old jeans) inside does the job too! Old carpet rolled up or cut and used as many horizontal layers would work too.
I use layers of quality fake grass type with decent rubber backing, the advantage is it's designed to be left outside, so doesn't smell when it gets wet..local installers will have plenty they want rid of👍
Glad to hear ankle's improving. Eighteen months ago t'wife had to have reconstructive surgary on her foot/ankle. Seven weeks in a pot, absolutely no weight bearing, then another seven weeks in a boot. Bit of a mare rarely. Big Steve, E. Yorks.
Something i used to do when i still had my springer is to have a couple bits of wood out along with my pneumatic staple gun and the compressor running so that if my neighbor gets suspicious, I'd show him the staple gun firing off. Never had further issues.
I use a cocnot mat and you cut that to the size you want. Stretch the soomth side forward with a wooden frame with a stick of target stickers on it and you're done. Not too heavy eigther. Remains beautiful. Even in the rain its stays remains fantastic. And Gary get well soon.
Big piece of plywood with a yellow pages screwed to it does the job, it makes a little bit of noise, but nothing too loud. I think the rifle used plays the largest part. My HW100 is practically inaudible, it doesn't even frighten pigeons that are sitting on the fence, but my 97K with it's big piston is pretty loud.
A plastic tub and a Grand (bag of sand ) for me i think now I've seen the video Chilli , nice one , the bonus is i can just leave that out rain or shine 👍
some years ago at our old address, someone started taking potshots at the pigeons on the roof of our house whilst we were in the garden. It was obvious that they were using a silenced pcp gun but the loud whizz noise of pellets flying over our heads was quite terrifying. Now years later, I'm the one with a gun but no matter how silent I make the gun and target, I don't think the whizz noise can be reduced
Dude, decibels work on a log scale. A 10 decibels drop is a 50% reduction in perceived loudness. If that db meter is working correctly, the difference between 80 and 90 should be massive.
Putting scientist hat on. 3dB is double the sound pressure level (SPL) but 10dB is subjectively twice as loud; it has a logarithmic scale. The standard placement of a dB meter would be 1 metre in front of the muzzle and 1 metre off to the side, this is for consistency when testing. The way a Maxim works is by changing the SPL, slowing it down, in other words, dropping the pitch of the note produced. Silencer or moderator, same thing really; Maxim called it a silencer but it moderates the SPL. The primitive hair curler silencer just absorbs noise, it is not a moderator. If you have dropped ~10dB you have halved the volume, plus you have dropped the pitch of the note.
So, am in incorrect in my description? When you are using a sound meter it will read a shot at say 8odb, then the next shot at 82 then 81. There's virtually no difference in sound.
The sound level meter in your phone is not great at percussive noises, but as a rule of thumb, at a distance of 2m, a measured reduction of 3db(a) is reducing the perceived volume by half.
@@ShootingCountryTV true, the typical human ear can only discern a change of 3dB. A musicians trained ear might manage 1dB. It is not just that though, our ears are more sensitive to quiet high pitch sounds, a predator lurking in the grass nearby, than to loud deep notes, a herd of elephants miles away. At low level we boost the bass on the hifi. At high level, a rock band, we turn the bass down. If we can make the retort of an airgun not just quieter but lower pitch, it is less threatening.
My wierauch pcp goes off like a real ear popper without its moderator, with it on, anyone in the next room wouldnt be aware of its distcharge. Also a impressed target in a lump of blue tack makes very good noise absorbion, and it captures the pellets as well as being reusable time and again. Even pellet on pellets get captured in a clump. Ive got spinners and resettable metal target boxes, the blue tack with a push in target impress (with a black marker to mark the centre) does it better. Plumber's putty maybe not be too friendly to handle to reuse, bluetac sticks to most things and can reshaped without gloves
I have found that when filming the mics pick up and amplify the oddest of things at times. How loud is that hammer spring on the Ghost, very pingy and probably louder than the exiting pellet I've found that when I've had a camera set up down range I can't hear the muzzle noise or rifle, that includes the springers. However, being close to it it does sound loud?
Regarding pellet travel, at night time my .22 pcp from the shooting end would sometime make a wheee to the target, but not always, perhaps atmosphics has something to do with it, also my Weirauch moderator used to be so quiet until it wasnt any more, could it have been the changing from .22 to .177? The moderator has the same internals and pellet exit to cover both calibres, if I chose .25 calibre model and it had a just fit pellet exit, would that be quieter than the other calibre options? During WW2 the SOE had a silenced pistol with baffles that had no holes to allow a projectile to pass (there was some cross cuts though), the projectiles made the holes. With the kit came a spare set of baffles to replace the ones that got degraded in operations, perhaps the same principle applies to some degree.
I use a thick deep oven tray not the cheap ones too thin filled with putty screwed to a bit of wood with the shape of the pan cut out all Tillys gunstocks idea not mine. Its Very quiet and not had a pellet go through yet behind that i have a 8ft wood wall too thats about 4 inches thick.
The flight noise might be an air version of cavitation in water. Sand is the best as it self heals but only if its dry. Lead in a pan, tray or similar is very good indeed but dangerous to DIY. Plumbers putty does not self heal like sand nor does cloth if you shoot the same spot. A concrete slab pitched forward I would say is essential. The pellet can leave the boundary if you have perm. A friend had a garden range that backed on to a field he had perm for too. It is 50 feet from the centre of the carriageway ie under 17 yards and its from the centre So if you shot from the centrea reservation of the M4....... your unlikely to hit the sides. You must cause reason for distress to travellers on the highway to contravene the law within 50 from the centre sp 25 feet each side Not the precise wording though. Probably only likely if your gaden borders a road or path within the 25 feet If in doubt ask if an FEO can visit and assess. It took me over 6 months to have a 2nd cabinet inspected and approved so good luck with that. Some rifles can be very quiet - my FAC Impact Mk2 is as quiet as my sub 12 HW100 with an HW mod.... apart from the impact noise.... out of choice I would go dry sand every time. It stops really well. Self heals and you can recover the shot lead clumps to recycle. The sand will become dust as the grains break down but its cheapish anyway
Hi Roy, No, a 10 DB increase is just a increase, for example this is a list of loud things by DB. So, the rifle without silence is louder then traffic and with its less then a blender. 120 dB: Fireworks 110 dB: Live music gig 100 dB: Night club 97 dB: Fire alarm 94 dB: Lawnmower 88 dB: Heavy traffic 85 dB: Food blender.
dB is a measure of ratio so saying something is 120dB is like saying it's 120 times louder you need to reference a level. dBa is one reference for sound, and yes 10 dB is approx 10 times bigger, unfortunately human hearing is not linear so a noticeable increase in sound is approx 3dB i.e. twice as big ☹️
Believe it or not, it's a rubber pad that you put on top of a trolly jack to protect the sills. Avaliable on ebay. Check out my video called building a stick rifle. all the info is there.
Thanks for another great video Gary. I won't ask how you damaged your perineum... probably at some wild champagne soaked jet set glamorous influencer bash. Wishing you a speedy recovery :)
Good stuff but sound measurement should be done 1-3 metres from the source. The microphone should not be placed facing the source, readings should be taken directly away from the source to 90 degrees from the source. Nuisance of sound is not measured in decibels dB but regularity of the sound. An empty wheelie bin having it's lid slammed shut makes a max 90dB, which is fine once or twice a day. Slam a wheelie bin lid shut every 5 seconds for an hour is a nuisance if you live in a town. A line of rich people blasting away at driven pheasants on a moor with shotguns is acceptable. A farmer with a pigeon scaring sound blaster going 24/7 next to a housing estate is a nuisance. Having S E X with a LOUD partner at midnight, with windows open in a semi detached house every night for 3 weeks is a nuisance. Just do reasonable things at reasonable times, be as considerate as you can and you will not fall foul of the law. So Gary consider yourself a reasonable person considering others. Cheers dude
Box of old clothes works pretty well,just ensure you've checked with wifey!🤣
Spot on mate, it's the best.
I use plumbers putty in an old roasting tin, not my idea got it off Tilly's Gunstocks. Great video Gary
I use "rubberized mulch" sold in the garden department of the local hardware store, used for landscaping. Simply fill a cardboard box with it and stick a shoot n c target on the side of the box.
Carpet sample books work a treat
Great video gary. Here is another silent trap you can try. Use a standard pellet catcher place an old t towel at bottom then fill with plastercine till it's 1inch from top.super quite. 7 bars of plastercine cost 20 quid and it will fill 3 traps but once trap is full you can separate pellets and use plastercine again. Hope this helps.😊
Melted some lead inside a metal tray a few years ago and since use it as the back plate of my pellet cacher. When the lead pellets hit the lead plate you only hear a little smack. The pallets usually stick in the plate. Very clean. Once a year I melt the plate and spoon the excess lead off. For "experimentation purposes..." ;-)
The two quietest silencers I’ve heard are the Weihruach which is the Benchmark and the quietest is the A and M TWINK which is ridiculously quiet the pellets hitting the target are the loudest part of the shot. It’s that quiet you think nothing came out of the barrel.
The Veggie Shooter.
Thanks butty 😂😊
Nice shout out Sed 👍
Great video Gary. For a quiet back stop i use a paving slab and some carpet. The loudest sound is the pellet hitting the paper or card target. I once left a target out in the rain and you couldnt hear the pellet hitting it. Hope your on the mend, take care.
One of the quietest backstops I have is some old conveyor belt that I use as a backstop it catches them and they bounce off sometimes depending on how powerful your shooting and the other good one is like a mud flap from like a semi truck those are strong and make good backstops
rolled up roofing felt is great back stop
fyi ;) The inventor of the "silencer" was Hiram Percy Maxim, son of Sir Hiram Stevens Maxim (british) inventor of the machine gun. As well as the Silent Firearm US patent 1909 he invented the exhaust silencer for infernal combustion engines at the same time ca.1902. A swiss chap Jakob Stahel had invented a silenced humane cattle killer in 1892.
Try plumbers putty you can mould it and it doesn't set
We Did, it was no 3 😂
I now need to see you test out custard as a back-stop 😁
Helpful video! A simple plywood box with some fabric (like old jeans) inside does the job too! Old carpet rolled up or cut and used as many horizontal layers would work too.
I use layers of quality fake grass type with decent rubber backing, the advantage is it's designed to be left outside, so doesn't smell when it gets wet..local installers will have plenty they want rid of👍
Good to see you hope your well on the way to recovery.
i enjoyed the ramble.
Glad to hear ankle's improving. Eighteen months ago t'wife had to have reconstructive surgary on her foot/ankle. Seven weeks in a pot, absolutely no weight bearing, then another seven weeks in a boot. Bit of a mare rarely. Big Steve, E. Yorks.
Really like these videos Gary, keep them coming and wish you all the best for a full recovery 😁
Something i used to do when i still had my springer is to have a couple bits of wood out along with my pneumatic staple gun and the compressor running so that if my neighbor gets suspicious, I'd show him the staple gun firing off. Never had further issues.
I use a cocnot mat and you cut that to the size you want. Stretch the soomth side forward with a wooden frame with a stick of target stickers on it and you're done. Not too heavy eigther. Remains beautiful. Even in the rain its stays remains fantastic. And Gary get well soon.
Yes the box of old clothes works very well !
Big piece of plywood with a yellow pages screwed to it does the job, it makes a little bit of noise, but nothing too loud. I think the rifle used plays the largest part. My HW100 is practically inaudible, it doesn't even frighten pigeons that are sitting on the fence, but my 97K with it's big piston is pretty loud.
Thank you for the video Gary... I hang a old doubled up wool blanket works great
A plastic tub and a Grand (bag of sand ) for me i think now I've seen the video Chilli , nice one , the bonus is i can just leave that out rain or shine 👍
Gary, a simple informative video; the radio idea is great. Keep going my friend.
Old carpet tiles work well
Duct seal trust me
some years ago at our old address, someone started taking potshots at the pigeons on the roof of our house whilst we were in the garden. It was obvious that they were using a silenced pcp gun but the loud whizz noise of pellets flying over our heads was quite terrifying. Now years later, I'm the one with a gun but no matter how silent I make the gun and target, I don't think the whizz noise can be reduced
Dude, decibels work on a log scale. A 10 decibels drop is a 50% reduction in perceived loudness. If that db meter is working correctly, the difference between 80 and 90 should be massive.
Try saw dust in a cardboard box
Putting scientist hat on. 3dB is double the sound pressure level (SPL) but 10dB is subjectively twice as loud; it has a logarithmic scale. The standard placement of a dB meter would be 1 metre in front of the muzzle and 1 metre off to the side, this is for consistency when testing. The way a Maxim works is by changing the SPL, slowing it down, in other words, dropping the pitch of the note produced. Silencer or moderator, same thing really; Maxim called it a silencer but it moderates the SPL. The primitive hair curler silencer just absorbs noise, it is not a moderator.
If you have dropped ~10dB you have halved the volume, plus you have dropped the pitch of the note.
So, am in incorrect in my description? When you are using a sound meter it will read a shot at say 8odb, then the next shot at 82 then 81.
There's virtually no difference in sound.
The sound level meter in your phone is not great at percussive noises, but as a rule of thumb, at a distance of 2m, a measured reduction of 3db(a) is reducing the perceived volume by half.
@@ShootingCountryTV true, the typical human ear can only discern a change of 3dB. A musicians trained ear might manage 1dB. It is not just that though, our ears are more sensitive to quiet high pitch sounds, a predator lurking in the grass nearby, than to loud deep notes, a herd of elephants miles away. At low level we boost the bass on the hifi. At high level, a rock band, we turn the bass down. If we can make the retort of an airgun not just quieter but lower pitch, it is less threatening.
@@boxiedog 10dB for perceived volume. 3dB for sound pressure level.
🤣🤣🤣 cover that in custard
Some old carpet would work as well.
Hi Gary, a Bale of Straw, Meadow Hay etc Lasts for years if protected in a plastic wrap, smaller bags available from Pet bedding suppliers.
GWS
Very informative video
Thanks for sharing.
My wierauch pcp goes off like a real ear popper without its moderator, with it on, anyone in the next room wouldnt be aware of its distcharge.
Also a impressed target in a lump of blue tack makes very good noise absorbion, and it captures the pellets as well as being reusable time and again.
Even pellet on pellets get captured in a clump.
Ive got spinners and resettable metal target boxes, the blue tack with a push in target impress (with a black marker to mark the centre) does it better.
Plumber's putty maybe not be too friendly to handle to reuse, bluetac sticks to most things and can reshaped without gloves
Another Great One Gary 💯💥💥💥💥💥💥💥
I have found that when filming the mics pick up and amplify the oddest of things at times.
How loud is that hammer spring on the Ghost, very pingy and probably louder than the exiting pellet
I've found that when I've had a camera set up down range I can't hear the muzzle noise or rifle, that includes the springers. However, being close to it it does sound loud?
Wow im round the corner
Guess you won't be shooting a .58 cal Bintac Meglodon any time soon?
Regarding pellet travel, at night time my .22 pcp from the shooting end would sometime make a wheee to the target, but not always, perhaps atmosphics has something to do with it, also my Weirauch moderator used to be so quiet until it wasnt any more, could it have been the changing from .22 to .177?
The moderator has the same internals and pellet exit to cover both calibres, if I chose .25 calibre model and it had a just fit pellet exit, would that be quieter than the other calibre options?
During WW2 the SOE had a silenced pistol with baffles that had no holes to allow a projectile to pass (there was some cross cuts though), the projectiles made the holes.
With the kit came a spare set of baffles to replace the ones that got degraded in operations, perhaps the same principle applies to some degree.
I use a thick deep oven tray not the cheap ones too thin filled with putty screwed to a bit of wood with the shape of the pan cut out all Tillys gunstocks idea not mine. Its Very quiet and not had a pellet go through yet behind that i have a 8ft wood wall too thats about 4 inches thick.
Flows master putty is the best stops pellets dead I have a day state red wolf 177 sub 12 pellets only penetrate 1/8 inch pellets are completely flat
The flight noise might be an air version of cavitation in water. Sand is the best as it self heals but only if its dry. Lead in a pan, tray or similar is very good indeed but dangerous to DIY. Plumbers putty does not self heal like sand nor does cloth if you shoot the same spot. A concrete slab pitched forward I would say is essential. The pellet can leave the boundary if you have perm. A friend had a garden range that backed on to a field he had perm for too. It is 50 feet from the centre of the carriageway ie under 17 yards and its from the centre So if you shot from the centrea reservation of the M4....... your unlikely to hit the sides. You must cause reason for distress to travellers on the highway to contravene the law within 50 from the centre sp 25 feet each side Not the precise wording though. Probably only likely if your gaden borders a road or path within the 25 feet
If in doubt ask if an FEO can visit and assess. It took me over 6 months to have a 2nd cabinet inspected and approved so good luck with that. Some rifles can be very quiet - my FAC Impact Mk2 is as quiet as my sub 12 HW100 with an HW mod.... apart from the impact noise.... out of choice I would go dry sand every time. It stops really well. Self heals and you can recover the shot lead clumps to recycle. The sand will become dust as the grains break down but its cheapish anyway
Duct seal is better than Plumber's putty 👍
Man….. your phone was bricking it!!!!!!
My neighbour makes more bloody noise with his electric saw than i do with my airgun… works both ways
I believe a 10db increase is ten times as loud.
Hi Roy, No, a 10 DB increase is just a increase, for example this is a list of loud things by DB. So, the rifle without silence is louder then traffic and with its less then a blender.
120 dB: Fireworks
110 dB: Live music gig
100 dB: Night club
97 dB: Fire alarm
94 dB: Lawnmower
88 dB: Heavy traffic
85 dB: Food blender.
dB is a measure of ratio so saying something is 120dB is like saying it's 120 times louder you need to reference a level. dBa is one reference for sound, and yes 10 dB is approx 10 times bigger, unfortunately human hearing is not linear so a noticeable increase in sound is approx 3dB i.e. twice as big ☹️
10db is roughly twice as loud, it is a logarithmic scale not linear
Σας εύχομαι καλή αναρρωση
Who is Perry Knee'em?
A right PIA, I'll bet.
Peroneal, very very different to the perineum 😊
@@garychillingworth Yeah, sure Gary 😉🤣
Love your content, get well soon.
I'm limping from a torn glute tendon, so I know how it is.
@@lindsayheyes925 So a ruptured arse :-), get well soon buddy
Gary what is the mouse hand hold on your ghost ?
Believe it or not, it's a rubber pad that you put on top of a trolly jack to protect the sills. Avaliable on ebay. Check out my video called building a stick rifle. all the info is there.
Use an old dart board
Male karen.
Darren. Lol
Old rugs cut into squares and stacked the shot up ones are easy to replace or switch around in the box.
My missus has gone metric, the plumber's putty is 15cm apparently.
have you a link for veggie shooter ?
ruclips.net/video/iNs3kXT_EVo/видео.htmlsi=PQAQnks8HHddSOI9
I warn you those, he's Welsh.
Vegan He-Karen sounds like someone I never want to encounter 🤣🤣
How big is your Brocock bro?
Acording to my wife, not big enough. Do you want length, width or weight?
It sounds like it was spitting 😅..are you sure you British aren't chooting a rubber band gun..😅
No, we just shoot accuratly :-) Where ae you based?
Thanks for another great video Gary. I won't ask how you damaged your perineum... probably at some wild champagne soaked jet set glamorous influencer bash. Wishing you a speedy recovery :)
Peroneal, very very different to the perineum 😊
Good stuff but sound measurement should be done 1-3 metres from the source. The microphone should not be placed facing the source, readings should be taken directly away from the source to 90 degrees from the source. Nuisance of sound is not measured in decibels dB but regularity of the sound. An empty wheelie bin having it's lid slammed shut makes a max 90dB, which is fine once or twice a day. Slam a wheelie bin lid shut every 5 seconds for an hour is a nuisance if you live in a town.
A line of rich people blasting away at driven pheasants on a moor with shotguns is acceptable. A farmer with a pigeon scaring sound blaster going 24/7 next to a housing estate is a nuisance. Having S E X with a LOUD partner at midnight, with windows open in a semi detached house every night for 3 weeks is a nuisance.
Just do reasonable things at reasonable times, be as considerate as you can and you will not fall foul of the law.
So Gary consider yourself a reasonable person considering others. Cheers dude
Buddy I’ve been fireing since 1984,with all due respect this Is like a children’s Panto Decibels really stick to the virtual jogging 😢
Sorry, what's your point? Gary