Don't Buy a Patek Philippe Until You've Seen This H. Moser & Cie Watch | Watchfinder & Co.
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- £11,500 is a lot of money. It'll get you a brand new ceramic Daytona and change. It's enough for a lightly used Royal Oak Offshore. With some haggling, it'll just about see you into a gold Patek Philippe Calatrava. So, why would you spend it all on a three-hander from a brand you've never even heard of?
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You forgot to mention that H. Moser designed their calibers with an entirely modular escape mechanism, which means when the watch is serviced, Moser just replaces the mechanism making the maintenance process much faster and robust. In addition, Moser has designed their own gear profile, which is more expensive to produce but actually distributes load more efficiently, which turns into more working hours.
This video is another great example of how this channel provides perfect little touches of context to better understand the specific point at hand (and, ultimately, deepening the viewer's appreciation of watches)...For example, starting around 5:00, explaining how difficult it is to fabricate balance springs for a watch of this quality: "...When your company can do this, it can do anything."
These exquisite little essays--as polished and precise as the watches they discuss--are elegantly presented with refreshing understatement, candour, and conviction.
Experts enraptured by the beauty of the subject they love. Trying to convey, to impart, some inkling of that passion to us. Like trying to capture some delicate little bird in mid-flight and hold it, gently, just long enough to let us see.
Very nice work. Thank you.
Agree....it makes me subscribe
Love Moser, the CEO is down to Earth, the company is focused, and those fume dials are to die for!
indeeed!!!
CEO is brilliant but humble.
Moser makes loads of balance springs for many.
This is one of the most beautiful watches I've seen. If I could ever afford one I wouldn't think twice.
I just want to thank everyone that works for this channel. Your content is absolutely stunning
Thank you very much, we really appreciate it.
This is an excellent, informative and factual video. I have had my H. Moser for just over a week, and it has hardly left my wrist. I love how you explain so well the relationship between the two companies, one making some components that are also provided to other companies, and the other doing the assembly. The craftsmanship is second-to-none. I have the smoke dial with white gold, but would take any one over any other watch. I have a great little watch collection, but this tops them all! Thanks, Carl
i so love this minimal yet perfect finished dial in every Moser & Cie watch its for me a real definition of understatement
* Don't buy a Patek Philippe until you have seen : A. Lange und Söhne
Yes A.Lange is better
Bram Ramon but price range is totally less with Moser! I agree with you for Lange if price is not an issue as they produce the most incredible watches.
You engrave for free then lol haha your work is master G. Every body should look at you work at the patek is stunning
Patek is marketing overkill huge boutique overheads, therefore you know where a lot of your money goes. Overrated in my opinion.
+Watch the hands - 15k for such a simple watch? That's insane - Prices are getting out of hand.. I know it's not a Seiko complication, but it isn't anything ground breaking innovative masterpiece either.
They are selling the brand here, not the watch. It's the BMW i3 - Everybody know it's because you couldn't afford the i8, but still wanted to be part of the club. And at 37mm? Who is this for?
Your content is literally faultless! The approach and the details are so thoughtful, and you put forth so much value for your viewers. Bravo, keep up the great work!
Thanks very much! Hugely appreciate it.
this piece is super low key which is great! Only real watch lovers would get this and not some rappers who are all walking with iced out patteks and APs nowadays.
Beautiful timepiece. Funny how i was about to comment going into this video, that i wanted u to review more brands like H. Moser & Cie, Moritz Grossman and Glashutte Original. Especially the Senator collection from Glashutte. While i luv Patek, i wud still buy an H. Moser bfor going for a Patek Phillipe. To my knowledge, H. Moser watches are approx. 95 percent "Swiss Made" as opposed to other luxury brands sourcing all sorts of parts from Europe and elsewhere. Its a true luxury timepiece. Luv everything about it. Less is more. Its a conversation starter, especially when the chances of someone else wearing this watch is almost zero. A Moser watch will make u stand out.
Thanks for watching, glad you enjoyed. It's a gorgeous watch, it really surprised us.
Love everything about H. Moser & Cie. I would purchase one in a heartbeat, money no obstacle.
Would love to see you review the Grand Seiko Snowflake
Will Richardson doubt it will happen though cos I don't think they do Seiko at WF. Shame
Jamie Ward I mentioned in their last video that they might be able to sort of separate the channel and the company - just ever so slightly. I'm sure roughly 70% of the audience is outside their clientele anyways as the watches shown are high-end. So if the channel becomes a major source of income, they might start expanding into watches they don't have for sale. I mentioned that they would just change the outro for these episodes, as "Discover more" implies that the watch shown is included in their stock. So they could change it to something like "Discover other exceptional watches.." or something like that.
With so many great watches around, they'd have a nearly endless supply of content. Really, think about how many Seiko's have huge stories behind them. It would be really quite incredible to see. People could send them their personal watches and they could go over them. That would be pretty remarkable.
While we have had Grand Seikos available in the past, it doesn't happen very often. As soon as we get one, believe me, we'll be making a video. If someone here wants to sell us one then we'll be able to do it all the sooner!
I have a Snowflake (most recent model - SBGA211); what would you give for one in very good but not perfect condition. Not that I'm likely to sell any time soon although I'd gladly lend it for a video
Nooo do not part with your snowflake that easy, by far undervalued and overlooked by the great Swiss bling factories, that display the cost of their pieces a lot more prominently than the substance of their design. When folks ask, how do I know if I have a genuine Grand Seiko, I laugh because its 5 times more complex to copy a Grand Seiko, for 1/5th the pay off. If you are going to replicate and knock off, why not go for Rolex, the bar is lower and the price you can get is much higher. That tells you all you need to know about Grand Seiko. It's for those of us who actually appreciate a good watch, and don't need to tell anyone how much it cost. We know its worth many times more its value, and that always brings a smile, because you can't go wrong owning one.
As someone who quite enjoys many aspects of design including graphic design and in particular text, I have to say the "swiss made" at 6 o'clock and the 12 numeral really ticked me off (pun intended). The H. Moser and Cie. logo is written in an elegant cursive font, the back of the watch on the case and the movement has text in a serif font, meanwhile that that giant 12 and the "swiss made" looks to be in arial or helvetica font, both of which are sans serif fonts. Serif fonts promote a sense of elegance, while the sans serif fonts are utilitarian. They don't belong together on a watch and certainly a san serif font doesn't belong on a watch that is marketed as an elegant dress watch in the 11k price range. Other than that, its a beautiful watch, but that 12 numeral looks like a blemish on a beauty.
Cory Hauptman interesting remarks 👌
Typography like most art, is highly subjective and one must look at the overall presentation to make a determination. Personally I feel the watch is well presented not only at its price-point but intended service.
My philosophy when it comes to timepieces, is to look for excellence but to stay away from the "obvious" brands. Its the reason why (if I had the money) I would pick a Pagani over a Ferrari. Some watch brands have become formidable marketing machines, which is a consequence of the Quartz crisis, when mechanical watches needed to find a new reason to exist, so they went upmarket and focussed on raising their image in the buyers' mind. But that also led to a situation where people would buy certain brands because of their cachet. Essentially people buy Rolex, Patek, Omega et. al. because of the impression it will create on other peoples' minds. For me its more important what impression a timepiece creates in MY mind. And for this reason, my answer to the question "would I buy an H.Moser?" is an emphatic "Yes". I guess we could say that H.Moser is the Pagani of the watch world
I love the craftmanship that goes into watches like this. All those man and women sitting quietly doing their part of a watch with the upmost talent for beauty and patience. After i've seen this i will futher look on their website and do my homework. Thank you again for all the work you put into these videos.
Thank you so much for watching!
There is something about the Moser watches that just seems special. Ever since I saw a photo of one I was drawn to it.
I also like that the company seems to have a sense of humour and doesn't take itself too seriously. With things like the Swiss Alp Watch and the Swiss Cheese watch.
It's just nice to see someone who can make exquist high quality watches AND have a bit of fun. Mostly otherwise it's one or the other.
Amazing content as always.... but moving towards click bait titles is off-putting. You guys are above that.
Doesn’t detract from the quality of their videos and will likely accelerate the growth of the channel (the thing about clickbait is that it works)-resulting in more frequent videos on even more amazing pieces. It’s a non-issue.
Agree. I imagine the target audience of this channel tends to be people who value substance over style. I personally hesitated to click the video until I double checked that it was indeed this channel. I initially thought a new channel ripped the style or, even worse, a thumbnail from a previous Watchfinder & Co. video.
Sad to say, but click bait works. Not for me on this video since I am subscribed.
I think clickbait should be used when a title is employed but doesn't deliver on expectations. This one was spot in
they work
It's certainly a nice looking watch, except for that "12.”
At 3:36, that's the only time where the second's hand touches the 12 while in the "standard" shot.
Lovely watch. Nothing better than a black and gold watch if you ask me. Whoever gets this one is a lucky person.
6:36
I love the brand it's my favorite brand of all! They're just so pure.
One of your best videos. Made me a fan of the channel! Recently I've broke my consecutive G-shok at work. Made me think of watches I can take take to a piano bar an leave as a heritage investment!
Then I remembered this video!
Like the watch, this is a superb video! I purchased my first H. Moser & Cie a few short weeks ago. It did not take me long to make up my mind to purchase after I had seen the watch. H. Moser & Cie is on a level of it's own. I love the history behind the company, which you so beautifully describe. Now, I do have to take a bit of exception: one of my favorite watches is a Patek Philippe Gondolo, which I just took off my wrist. It is an exquisite, rectangular case which no watch manufacturer - including the famed Cartier brand with the lovely Tank Louis Cartier - has been able to come close to making. However, that does not diminish my love and respect for the H. Moser & Cie brand. I have an Endeavour Small Seconds with Fume dial, and have never - and likely never will - see anything like it. the level of craftsmanship and love put into this watch is indescribable. I absolutely love watching the manually wound movement at the case back, and observing the power reserve indicator and the escapement module, unique to H. Moser. I could go on and on with my comments. This is a watch like nothing I have ever experienced, and likely never will. I am proud to have a small but rather unique watch collection, into which the H. Moser & Cie Small Seconds fits perfectly. While I cannot honestly say it is my favorite watch in the collection, it is definitely the most unique and the one of which I am most proud. And that says a lot!
Cheers,
Carl
These are lovely watches. A pity they don't hold their value well when it comes to resale, compared to a Patek
Not everything in life centres around making a profit. Watches like that should not be resold, they should stay in the family.
Buy one used then and get the best of both worlds
Some seriously pompous comments abound. For me, on the other hand, this watch certainly ticks many boxes - irrespective of the so-called clickbait (seriously, if this offends, don't watch and don't comment!). I've a decent collection, nothing fancy mind, however if my collection included various PP's, I believe I would continue to watch pieces like this on the 'tube because reviewers such as Watchfinder & Co are few and far between. Great work as always, the type of work that demands respect. Well done!
Thank you very much, your support is very much appreciated!
I actually bought this very watch in the video and it’s worth every penny I payed!
I love the clean black/gold design. Lets hope Longines gets a little inspiration from them so I could actually afford it.
Very elegant watch and quite the opposite to the very ordain Patek. Horses for courses IMO, but I much prefer this H. Moser & Cie (pronounced in English as "company" or "see" for short.) ;)
Such superb engineering makes H.Moser & Cie not only an exquisite brand but more synonymous to quiet and elusive elegance, reserved only to a handful.
After adding a fourth Rolex (16013, 16710, 116200, 116610LN) to my collection I'm really starting to look at haute dress watches. My mind is telling me to get a Calatrava 5119, or maybe a Vacheron, or heck what about a gold Datejust on strap (116138).... but this watch is stunning! And I really love the story and the fact that everything is made in-house. I will seriously consider this watch :)
Handle one and see, might be for you, might not be. Absolutely worth a consideration though. Best of luck!
Patek and vacheron > Rolex
Kris Rifa You must be very rich to have 4 new Rolex !
Sky Watcher why, Rolex's are not that expensive.
Kris Rifa gold datejust is lovely but try a calatrava for a change its as classy a watch as u can get and getting almost as iconic as rolex. Pateks finishing is the best in the world.
Thanks for this. I was just on my way to spend my life’s savings on a patek.
,,,,,, LOL !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
H Moser CEO: Pass on my watch to my son, Tom? NO, he's not getting my Pioneer. Such a Cliche!
Patek Philippe: Am I a joke to you?
The timing of this video is like a sign as I only just two days ago bought a mint 2008 Mayu with white dial, white gold markers/hands and white gold case, box and papers, and I could not be happier - in fact I'm absolutely ecstatic. It cost me less than a 10 year old secondhand average Sea Dweller and frankly I'd rather have this than any Patek (not an uncommon sight here in Hong Kong)!! Thanks for the excellent and informative review. Incidentally the quality of the straps shouldn't be left out either as it's rare to see such a well made strap even at this level.The other thing worthy of mention is the price of a basic service (they have an SC here) is actually less than I would have thought too at HK$4000 (US$500).
You're a lucky person. That's a stunning watch you've got. Enjoy it!
The photography on this channel is just stunning. Watchfinder & Co. really deserves more attention.
When I first saw the Venturer Small Seconds in red gold with ardoise fumé dial 4 years ago, it was the most striking watch I had ever seen in person. It's still my favorite dress watch and when I wear it, checking the time is secondary to admiring its dial and hands. Now, I'm obsessed with the Endeavour Centre Seconds in white gold with the funky blue fumé dial and kudu strap as a casual alternative. No one makes dials like Moser!
They drew my attention recently, very simplistic design and unique. There nothing like them in the market, very distinctive. I knew nothing on their story and know that I know, I want to dig in even more. Like the watch showcased in the video
As far as can be seen the watch is very well executed. Alas if residual value is to
taken into account, it may fall short of the other major brands are to be compared .
The Endeavour Vantablack Tourbillion is a breathtakingly beautiful watch. I wish you get hold of one soon to review
I’m purchasing a H. Moser tomorrow.
My father has one watch from H.Moser which is around 70-80 years old. He got it from my grandfather who was a watch maker. This watch sat in the draw for around 50 years and was still running after winding. Still runs till today and I hope I get it one days. Obviously not as sophisticated as todays H.Moser & Cie watches but still nice to look at.
If I had enough money I'd buy one for sure. Very subtle and slight distinctive touches.
Great-looking Watch! Moser makes some great Watches. We have an Authorised Dealer here, and I have drooled over their Watches on a couple of occasions.
Amazing amount of info on this brand, which made me respect the company again after they did the stupid swiss icons watch. Great job as usual telling the story of this brand and watch.
Would definitely buy one. The history has won me over
Stunning! Love the history behind the brand. Would be interested in reviews of other high end Russian watches.
The second hand lacks that smooth sweeping action due to the leisurely 18,000 beats per hour. Accuracy might be compromised by any shock of greater than normal amplitude (compared to a watch with a more modern 28,000 bph), but I'm guessing that relaxed beat rate will most likely result in less friction and wear and tear on the movement, and possibly longer intervals between required servicing. Not totally sold on the large Arabic numeral 12 though. The movement is a beauty though. Love the integration and execution of the power reserve. An interesting alternative to the usual predictable recommendations for a precious metal manual wound dress watch.
No bait appeal at the clubs like a Patek. It does not lure the dancers from the stage and into my lap.
Oh shit, thanks man! Almost picked one up on my way home from the store today.
I don't plan to do anything until I've seen this video. That is my usual reaction seeing a new vid from this channel. Straight A+++++
Thank you very much.
I truly love Moser! It is one of the best watches when it comes to value for money, however that is not extremely important for a collector. But to combined this with true horology, amassing designs and supper movements, it gives you a very impressive time pieces. Love this video!
Thanks for watching!
I’ve never heard of H. Moser & Cie, and after hearing a bit of the story and the purpose and philosophy, I would seriously buy one...if I had the money 💰
I own a Pioneer Perp. Cal. It is THE best Perp. Cal. movement ever made, by anyone. And everything else about Moser's watches is on par with the "trinity" & Journe. Easy choice for me at the price point. At this time~ I believe that Moser & G. Seiko have the best products / $ catalogues on the market.
Please review Grand Seiko, like SBGW253 or SBGR061. I"m sure a lot us fellow viewers would love to appreciate that ultimate perfection under your skillful macro shots.
We don't see them very often, but as soon as we do we'll be making a video!
H. Moser & Cie solves the problem that the perpetual calendar watches takes hours to shift date from Feb.28 to Mar.1. That is a big part I was really impressed by the mechanism development in this company.
I’m utterly confused. Is this the same brand that announced that infamous abomination of the Swiss Icons watch?!... How is this possible?.. I’m absolutely in love with this Endeavor watch, it’s just amazing, pure class, elegance and luxurious understatement. I can’t believe the same company can produce this such variety of time pieces
Same brand, they made the cheese watch as well. A sense of humour plus the capability to make whatever they like thanks to owning a completely in-house workshop!
This surreal watch and sublime video
Awesome video as always! Very impressive watch, will be on my list. I much prefer watches that are less "commercial", every second snob has a Rolex, Pathek, AP or other well known expensive brands... I myself went for Zenith, most people haven't even heard about it :)
Would be interesting to see a review on the El Primero Chronomaster Skeleton (one with the rubber strap) or the Oris Cal 111 Big Crown Pro Pilot (inhouse movement). Keep up the good work!
It should be worth noting that the base AP's chronograph caliber for the Royal Oaks etc. is made by Dubois-Depraz.
I could but that watch if I had the money because it has made a traditional watch case unique with clean uncomplicated movement like A Lange & Sohn
This is just beautiful. Simple and elegant dial and the movement looks stunning.
No need for a click bait title, I will watch your videos anyway! People stay here for the quality and the story telling !
their perpetual calendar is awesome, that is worth saving for ....
Thanks for the warning, i just stumbled across a couple hundred grands and didn't know what to do with it.
Thank you for great reviews, good editing and amusing storytelling! This watch make me think of my own Omega Suverän, civilian version of the Omega Officer issued to Swedish Armed Forces (among others I believe) during WW2. I would love to have a review on the Omega Officer and Suverän since they have an amazing story, are quite rare but still affordable and for me, a must have for a collector. Hopefully I will see one in the near future. Thank you!
hi, love your videos. I would be very interested in seeing a video about what if any soviet-era watchmaking looked like.
Please check also Czapek & Cie Varsovia. It's closer to Patek :)
Recently relaunched if I recall correctly. The brand Patek once was! Good suggestion.
Czapek manufacturer was French as I recall.
Amazing documentation. Ive always knew there's something special about this company.
this is for when you want a unique peice with a beautiful story behind it
I saw this....talked to Moser....and ended up buying a patek....
Looking at all these videos and love to see the elegance and simplicity in some and the technical brilliance in others and justify the price that is asked. But when you look at Patek Phillippe you can see where it stands hands above anything eĺse. And it's a class of its own.
Alot of people like CEOs etc who don't want to flaunt their wealth in other peoples faces like rappers, and in my opinion negative aspect is that Patek has become a very mainstream with rappers rapping about "iced out pateks" so it's no longer discreet wearing them
King Carl absolute horseshit
King Carl people who have no appreciation for what is on there wrist , rappers are just thick . You could sell them anything for loads of money and they would buy it because it's expensive
you clearly have a problem with rich black people. all you internet nerds act like rappers are the only people who flash wealth. Why didnt you mention rick flair..............
youngnomad888 did I mention race . There was no need to bring something like that into this and I'm talking about a large variety of rappers of all colour and the majority buy something for the price tag not the object in question. Reading it through and maybe think before you bring a pointless matter of race and a hint of stupidity into a discussion
you didn't have to mention race. when i say country singers you know i'm addressing southern white men so don't try play naive with me. You clowns are all over the internet, every watch or car video you bring up rappers and ball players. why didn't you mention the billionaires with their 300 million dollar yachts, thats not flashing wealth? why you didnt mention john travolta with a runway in his back yard for his private jets. You are so transparent!
Oh thanks. I was JUST going to buy a Patek Philippe.
I love Moser but don’t have one yet I was fortunate to choose between a Moser and a 5167 (I know they are a different dynamic) but I couldn’t get passed the documented quality control issues they’ve had.
Absolutely yes, in fact - H Moser watches are significantly under valued and in my humble opinion, a couple steps ahead of most AP and Patek entry level watches.
Love your reviews. Very detailed, in-depth and a real eye opener
Thanks very much.
Great video yet again. And speaking of Russian based companies, you guys should really do a video on Vostok. Top quality Soviet ruggedness for the price range, and a history and heritage that has to be admired.
That caseshape design is absolutely emotional, with lugs tapering naturally from the curve of the main case, and concave bezel...but I REALLY want to take my index fingernail and chip off that 12 on the dial. If you are out of creative juice, AT LEAST USE BREGUET NUMERAL on such a classic case design. it's like they've done all these amazing work, and taking it easy at the last 100m of the marathon.
Love Moser for one of it's add. They were literally roasting Patek Philippe
Yes, I would buy an H. Moser & Cie. Talk about value!
Looked a simple, elegant thing at the beginning.
But when the video went forward, I couldn't help but get a sense of Royal, Exclusive feeling for this watch.
Sure would like to have this piece of silent magnificence one day.
Another great and informative review. And yes I would consider purchasing one, primarily due to its anti polarized concept.
Thank you for watching.
Love your videos. Great for learning especially for a new watch collector like me.
Thank you very much.
You guys must review the Grand Seiko “Spring Drive” movement. It is one of the most incredible modern movements yet not appreciated.. Im sure you will have a very interesting review for watch lovers
Check out the Schwarz Etienne Roma GMT. Another incredible value. Entirely in-house made movement as well except not as cool of a heritage. It is also cheaper than this is.
the back of the watch looks much nicer than the front..
Agreed
Gfdsg Gfsgf A lot of people say that, but I always use my watch to tell the time.. And regarding the dial, I think they should just get rid of that 12 and do something a little bit different. Like their perpetual.
Like J. Lo?
I have a Russian Pocket Watch (converted to wristwatch) with an H.Moser movement. The dial is from the Imperial era. The case is from the Soviet era.
This is gorgeous.. I am omly watching these because they are informative and relaxing.. no way I can afford these watches.
Would love to see a review on the F.P Journe chronomètre bleu. Amazing content by the way.
That is an excellent suggestion. We had one in just before the reviews started and I've been keeping an eye out ever since!
I agree with everything you said. I'm in love with the story and design but not the look (if that makes sense). I would buy one, but it's not a must have for me.
Of course I would buy. Exclusivity and the brand work of the company is excellent.
Beautiful watch indeed. IMO pricing had it a bit on the high side. I would think it´s a watch of 10-12 thousand dollars top. But there's a market who thinks that quality is better if the price is high. Also I think that a gold watch should have a back that you could engrave. Moreover, I find the power reserve on manual watches useless since either I wind them every morning regardless of what the reserve indicator would say, or if I don´t wear them for a long time, I have to wind them anyway.
I would love to have this watch over a calatrava or a saxonia. The only reason I might not is that I find that arabic 12 to be a bit too large and odd on the top. Just another stripe would've made it perfect for me.
The back story is as exquisite as the watch.
I would love to see Urban Jurgenson and what you can tell us about it! that would be awesome
It's unlikely we'll get one of those, but they do look good.
Thanks for the review. Have never heard of the brand and would I buy one? Yes, the watch looks brilliant and being that they make only 1500 pieces a year is a real bonus. I like things that a different and everyone in horology knows Patek and everyone who knows nothing about horology knows a Rolex. The watch looks very elegant and would make a very beautiful dress watch.
Compare this to Lange saxonia small seconds . Which one would u pick in terms of finishing quality, craftsmanship and design?
I think this movement is a lot more fun to inspect than the Lange’s Three Quarter plate
Thank you for posting. ‘did want to mention a micron is a millionth of a meter.
Didn't know they had such strong ties to my hometown. Good knowledge, cheers guys!