The Best Sounding Pony Engines
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- A pony motor, an interesting and a reliable way to start an engine during freezing days. It bring some complexity to the main unit and definitely requires an extra care, but for us petrolhead it means more interesting engines to learn about...
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Some how Visio, you come up with something else cool every week. I never even thought about pony engine difference s before.
Strugglin
A shotgun starter is also super cool. Used on some WW2 american prop planes like the F4F it is a blackpowder cartridge that fires into the intake manifold and gets the big radial moving
Some old tractors also used a shotgun starter as well. Slip a black powder cartridge in, put on a cap over it that has a striker pin, and thwack the cap with a hammer.
I don't even want to think of the corrosion that would cause!
@@themadscientest corrosion to what? It was like a last ditch starter anyway for when the planes had to get off the carrier as quickly as possible and there was no time for inertial or standalone starters.
@@themadscientest lol it caused none
@@calyodelphi124 the bulldog tractor of the UK and GE
I was surprised to see some footage from my JD R video- it’s an honor and you’re welcome to it
"Small Diesel engines" would be cool, like the 3-cylinders in Kubota excavators or 2- or even 1-cylinder engines on small lawn tractors and generators.
523hp at 900rpm
Yes small engines like for example the Lombardini LDW 502, small 2 cylinder diesels used in microcars.
Scania V8 model engine would be a cool swap for a small lawn tractor
I absolutely loved this video! My father still talks about the the sound of the pony motors on the Model R and model 70s John Deeres we had on the farm when he was a kid. This video made my day. Thank you!
Glad you enjoyed it!
Thank you VR for explaining this in terms that, despite being a bit of a petrol head, I understand.
Not everyone is blessed with the knowledge and understanding.
Great content 👍
Only you can expand my knowledge in such an interesting and enjoyable way Visio - keep it up my man 💪
I wonder if anyone's powered a go kart with one of these little pony engines.
Most of them are splash lubricated and don’t deal well with extended run times, plus most are also liquid cooled in order to help get the main engines coolant warmed up slightly.
@@carsonhammond6204 ah, that would explain why I've never seen anyone do it. Not worth the extensive modification required to make it work. Thanks
@@carsonhammond6204 most lawn mowers are splash lubed. And they run for hours without problem
@@alexstromberg7696 yes, however if you do some research on these, you’ll find out they don’t do well with extended run times. They just aren’t made for it, when the oil starts getting hot and thin the clearances in the rod bearings let’s the oil start getting squeezed out under load. Plus if I remember correctly the pistons will start to score the walls really badly when they get hot, which is not hard to do on a low speed high load application such as a go kart.
@@carsonhammond6204 2T starter engine ftom mtz or dt 75
A couple years ago at my place of employment, we designed a 3,000HP e-motor that served as a Pony Motor that helped start a 20,000HP midstream pipeline motor. The large motor simply has too much inertia to accelerate itself from a standstill. I suspect they also wanted to be able to start it with crude in the pump, but that wasn't a requirement. I didnt know pony engines existed… Great video! Thank you for the content.
The spirit of the pony motor lives on in aircraft APUs. Most large commercial jets have a “huffer” or mini gas turbine in the tail that provides electrical power and compressed air needed to start the engines, after which it is usually shut down. Older planes like the heavy bombers of WW2 had a “put-put” in the tail. Basically a lawnmower engine used for pretty much the same purpose. They’re only usually used when ground power isn’t available
That JD v4 sounds so good 🔥
more cylinders in the starter than the actual engine.
First time I’ve seen the new layout! Great addition! Thanks VR 😎🤓
During my military service my unit had two Cat D4:s, one from 1952 and one from 1954. I remember the flat twin starter very well. At one time the starter broke and we had to get the dozer to the shop, which forced us to tow start it with the truck we used to haul it around.
The V4 John Deere pony engine was first used on the 70 diesel. It fired both cylinders on a side. The R was introduced in 1947 and it never really replace the Model D. which remained in production until 1953 because sales remained strong. The 720 and 730 as well as the 820 and 830 were made available with electric start using a 24 volt starting and charging system that divides the auxiliaries into two 12 volt systems grounded separately from the 24 volt system.
Great content, as always, have you looked into small inboard sailboat engines ? Volvo, and BMW made a few, along with several Japanese diesel models, and a few tiny flatheads, the atomic 4, for example, they are pretty neat, and I'm sure there's much more I don't know about, outside the US.
Back in the day my Dad owned a D4 Cat with the flat-twin starting engine. I helped him start it many times, Dad on the controls and me perched on the blade with a can of starting fluid ready to spray in to the air cleaner. Our neighbours had a D7 Cat with the lumpy-sounding inline twin starting engine.
On a larger scale, there was a coal-fired thermal power generating station in my city many years ago. It used gas turbine (jet) engines, three I think, to excite the dynamos to get them working without power from some external source. This was a self-starting capability for the plant.
Incredibly, at times of heavy electrical demand they would fire up the gas turbines to put more power into the grid!
Another excellent flick VR, ⭐!
Cheers and have the best of weekends,, 🍻😎👍👍!!
Genuine question. What's the difference between a Pony Engine and a Donkey Engine?
Nothing they’re just called different things in other countries
XD
The donkey engine is more stubborn to start and has a fat ass.
The main engine itself ..
One neighs and one goes heehaw
Love it. Very cool and interesting. This is my favorite engine channel.
Awesome video! Thanks for uploading
Thx for the Knowledge Bomb , we love big engines ..
Also the later year d2s with 250ci engine that was used in the in the grader aswell ran the pony engine exhaust system through the diesel engine intake with a tube going all the way through to act essentially as a nowadays grid heater so they had 3 sources of heat towards the end had coolant the decompression and then the exhaust aswell
I live in Waukesha. Thank you for pronouncing properly
That was a neat video I did not know about pony motors thanks. Next video show how old aircraft motors crank up that would be cool. Great content 👍👍🍻🍺
Super cool topic! A “twin two” made me laugh;-)
I really appreciate all the great information upin latest videos it's obvious you do a lot of research
Very interesting video! Very creative!
I glad you did this video
Good one! Never even heard of pony motors!
I hope I am not being repetitious but the actual procedure for starting a D8 CAT dozer (and many other diesels of the 30s,40s,50s...) is as follows:
1. Hand crank the gas pony into life. (The exhaust went through a pipe that passed through the intake manifold of the big motor and also was cooled by the big motor coolant, which helped warm things up.)
2. The big motor was decompressed and fuel shut off with a lever(s) and the clutch was engaged on the pony motor which started the big motor spinning. ( This brought up the oil pressure and heated up the motor which was essential on cold days. Depending on how cold it was dictated how long one would spin the big motor with the pony, it could be 5 minutes or more.)
3. When the time was judged to be correct the big motor was started by throwing the levers that controlled the decompression and fuel hopefully resulting in the big motor starting. The pony motor clutch was then disengaged and motor stopped. ( This is a lot easer said than done. A lot of thrashing about with levers was required.)
Pony motors were popular due to the poor 6 Volt batteries and starters of that period and one had virtually no maintenance issues with these systems.
I always found it interesting that John Deere used a V4 pony motor (with aluminum connecting rods) to start a relatively crude 2 cylinder motor.
As usual, informative and entertaining!! How funny! An internal combustion engine to crank & start a larger engine!!!
Good video, thank you!
Never knew about this. Wow!
I like the last engine start up. Must be from Oz. The 9 gallon beer keg for a fuel tank. The cockies with their well worn Akubra hats also a dead give away.!! 👍
I don't know if you covered it yet, but International Harvester had a sort-of "builtin pony motor"; the diesel engine was started on gasoline first (with spark plugs & all, compression lowered by a special valve that opened into an empty pocket in the block) then when sufficiently warmed up, it was switched on diesel. This way, a simple car-sized battery and 12V starter was used, enabling any car or pick-up to boost the tractor if the battery was low. No need for glow plugs either.
Just retired from a farm where I was a mechanic. They still have a fleet of D4 poney start cats a a D8.
Pony motors comes from steam engines, where small units were engaged with enormous ones to turn the (building sized) flywheel to the correct starting position. You can see videos of one in action at the Crossness Pumping Station (deserve the capital letters...). Massive steam engines used on boats also used that kind of little starter engines.
There's also a very special pony motor missing from this video (maybe because there no video of it operating existing). The Riedel 2 stroke flat 2, that was used to start the Jumo 004 jet engine. Yep the first jet engine that powered the first jet fighter used a 2 stroke engine, that was itself started... by pulling a rope starter like a lawnmower. Yeap. The secret weapon of the nazis was started like a lawnmower. That sounds less fearsome said this way ^^'
Also, the the sr71 blackbirds used some sort of period v8 to start them. Can’t remember what exactly though
@@nicholaycalhoun1681 Buicks. Big Buicks.
The John Deere V-4 pony motors sound the BEST. 2" bore, 2" stroke, around 20h.p., it would make a SWEET go-kart engine.
Imagine having both 12V and 6V in one tractor - and also a pony motor
love it...
That little JD V4 would make a killer (possibly literally...) go cart engine.
I always thought the same thing, except it's so unreliable
Very interesting! Idea for another video... most efficient motors, thermal, fuel or otherwise.
Cool
I don't know if it counts as a "pony engine" but the ME-262 had a small two-stroke engines with a pull-start in the intakes that were used to start the Jumo 004 turbine engines.
Manufacturers of farmer equipment in the 40s and 50s: Yo fam, I heard you like internal combustion engine so I put internal combustion engine to a Internal combustion engine.
I never realized anyone used pony engines other than John Deere. Great information.
Are you aware that International Harvestor used a system of releasing part of the cylinder compression of their diesel engines, and then starting them on gasoline? Once the engine got warmed up on gas, controls were manipulated to shut off the ignition and gasoline feed, increase the compression and run the engine on diesel. That would make an interesting operation to witness.
I think pony motors were a great idea, I currently own a John Deere R model and a 820 both with pony motors. They work great.
I have a John Deere 720 Diesel with the pony, my grandpa bought it in 1980, the pony works great to start it when it runs, but it's constant problems, and everyone that has that pony knows it
Amazed that no one used Harley Davidson bike engines or at least it's 270° firing order.
Harleys are 45° twins so the crank rotation would be 315°.
tbh the jd v4 seems like a perfect engine to make a mini rat rod
That DT-75 looks awesome and I want to put the body on a truck chassis nd just jeez that would be badass
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My Fowler 42000XX has a ridiculously large 2 cylinder diesel engine just to start the 150hp 4 cylinder 4C engine. WW2 technology at it's best LOL. The Donkey engine still works very well despite having a massive hole in the side of it!
No wonder John Deere die hards were mad. The tractors were two cylinder and the pony motors were four.
I want to see something like this in modern engine, as a mod maybe?
If I add a starter solenoid to a 50cc weedeater motor will it powerful enough to start a car engine? (A 2 litre car engine)
Haha, definitely not. I used to make small weed whacker 2 stroke mini 12 volt alternators to charge batteries where no power was available. The best one was able to charge at 14 amps, 14.5 volts and it would be screaming to do that. That was about 1/2 horsepower at the most. You might be able to rig up a flywheel to it and use that to drive the Bendix gear but....why? We have a solar panel and charge controller that puts 30 amps at 14.6 volts into drained batteries and is quiet and works whenever the sun shines.
Still, its fun to make things with left over weed whacker motors. I have to say that the weed whacker battery charger worked great at a lake where the stereo system ran the boat battery down at a small island and the 70 hp Evinrude 2 stroke wouldn't crank. The tiny weed whacker charged it enough in 10 minutes to start the outboard motor.
@@kimmer6 I don't actually planning to build that into real project actually.. just curious :D.
So a weed whacker motor is not enough to crank a car engine? I wonder how much power a starter motor can put out
@@putraadriansyah8082 A small engine car starter puts out 4-5Kw for a few seconds.
Thank goodness someone came up with glow plugs
Make a video about well balanced engine or about different balancing mechanism or about very smooth engine
6:30... Huh... who knew that colin kapernic was into tractors?
That's not nice. *That* fellah might be good at the football.
You should do best sounding snowmobile engines
You should look into the International harvester bull dozer that is a diesel but you start it on gasoline by lowering the compression and once it’s warmed up you turn on the injection pump and and increase the compression so I’ll run on diesel
The injection pump is running whether the engine is running on gasoline or diesel but no injection is occuring unless the diesel fuel control is advanced past the fuel shutoff position. It's possible to inject diesel into the cylinders while it's running on gasoline but the diesel will not ignite until the decompression lever is switched off.
Ran a Mc Cormick Deering WD-6 more than 60 years ago.
Missed the best part at 2:10 was just starting to crank the big motor
I want to put that john deere 4 banger on a gokart
I got a D7E and it's an hassle to start lol.
maybe look into the engine from minnesota that heats up its fuel and turns it into pressure, they ran it in a motorcycle on beer recently
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3:47 wait, 50.8 x 38.1mm of bore x stroke, and 4 cylinder configuration, that's not a 244cc, but 308.8cc. for example Kawasaki zx25r is 50 x 31.7mm of bore x stroke.
Now many of those starter would make a nice go cart motor???
The V4 looks good but it's probably all cast iron and heavy as hell.
Wow Visio, is that your white Boxster? I knew you were good at the RUclips game, but not THAT good.
Hello, yeah, a dream come true actually. Thanks
Is there is a conspiracy between no after market ABS available for small 100 cc bikes ?? Are manufacturers want us to spend even more money ??
Also known as a "Donkey" engine in some countries.
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Put that 250cc on a motorbike right now
Dt75 have a 4 cilider
You are right, sorry!
Juice does not run flat. I love the concept. The establishment is putting all the eggs in one basket by going EV completely. They pretend that they will always have electricity in the dead of winter.
Need to blow people's minds with the international engines that start on gas then switch to diesel if you haven't already
DT75 has a 4 cylinder engine, not 6!
You are right, sorry!
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Air starter off a old Kenworth beats all these motors
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Stop talking so we can hear the engines
All u did was pirate a bunch of vidios