I mtn bike and ride a motorcycle, didn't even know a thing like this existed, awesome! One thing I must mention though is the strap doesn't shift the weight at all, it merely secures the bicycle better, strapping something down does not change the center of mass, as the bike itself has not moved at all (same reason why standing on your pegs on a dirt bike doesn't lower your center of gravity)
I have one. Got it for a birthday present a few years back. I love it! The only issue is that you feel it below speeds of 5kph. At speed, you don't even know it is there except for passing cars slowing to take a photo. (Hopefully it is the passenger taking the photo) Add some panniers and you can carry your bicycle gear then stow your helmet and moto gear when cycling.
I once met a couple on a motorbike just traveling through. They had honda sport bike with fairing off plus some kind of side car attached and wheelchair on back of the side car. At first I though it is a bicycle so I stopped by to check it out. But it was a wheelchair. I think it is pretty cool that that man did all of this just to take his disabled wife with him on bike tour. I'm sure you will meet lot of puzzled people asking stupid questions like I did with that couple :-)
I first saw something like this nearly 10 years ago. The guy was riding out of the carpark at the trails. I had to do a double take. A few years later he came into work and i quized him about it (and took a picture). He said he doesn't own a car so the motorbike is his only form of transport. His rack was custom made from a thule bike rack a custom frame and then straps to hold it all down. It looks to sit further forward than this. It also has the rear wheel supported on the rack rather than the crank arm. He has it mounted on a Ktm 990 supermoto
Sorry, but the strap does not move the center of gravity forwards. Physics doesn't work like that, the center of gravity is always in the mass center of the combined mass of a system. Said in another way: The center of gravity can't be moved with the bicycle still in the same place.
The center of gravity is dependent on the spot the weight is applied. If you strap most of the weight is applied on the front fork, otherwise it will be applied at the pedal. I have this rack and I can tell you it makes a huge difference if you don't strap it tight enough.
I made my own with an old Thule tray mounted to the passenger peg and the givi sidecase rack using some steel. I still have access to my top box and remaining side case for storing my clothes and helmet during a mountain bike ride.......helps to have a Vstrom which is physically a larger motorcycle and can accommodate a 29'er mountain bike
This video made me chuckle when I saw it. I ran into someone affiliated with the company (likely the son) about 10 years ago where I used to live in North Carolina. He had one of these mounted to the back of a BMW GS and pulled into a filling station next to me so of course we had to chat for a bit. Pretty cool setup.
I started mountainbiking a while back, but my local trail centre is like 15 miles away on hilly roads which is unfeasible if I just want a quick day out. No public transport to get there, and I only have a motorbike. I thought this would be impossible, but maybe not, and honestly 300 bucks is perfectly reasonable for something like this when they want 400+ for a topbox.
There's also apparently a bike rack for a Ferrari 458. And yes definitely for motorcycles, my friend took so many pictures when they went to race in Malaysia. Madlads, rode their bikes there for a race, rode back after the race, reaching back at 3am on the day of an exam. Wish I was strong enough at the time to join them. And yes that Ferrari with the bikes can get into any car park just because it's so low. I want supercars and superbikes with bike mounts.
I'm always mounting things to my FZ-07 that normal people probably wouldn't. This fits exactly that. I take my onewheel places on the bike. I strap my surfboard to my stunt cage. Pretty sweet! I'd bet a front wheel holder is possible. And just let the rear wheel roll?
I was thinking about the front wheel holder for quite some time, but I cannot escape the thoughts about uncontrollable wiggling of the bike. Plus, the bicycle tires and other parts are not made for such speeds. A little tow-cart with road-legal tires, maybe? Also, in Europe you would have to have an extension of the rear lights and licence plate holder (yes I know, Europe legislation isn´t much friendly about it :D ). Try to look on our old czech motorcycle with such cart - Jawa with páv
Hey I got here first I've always been a big fan of your channel. I dreamed about being a moto blogger too and you inspire me. More power to you and your channel from the Philippines
This is really cool, thinking of getting a motorbike and wanted to know if there was racks for bikes. I feel like they could flip the rack around though so the fork is attached towards the rear. The weight of the linkage + drivetrain is probably better more towards the front of the motorbike for stability.
Pretty interesting! In the first seconds I thought this construction is for a 2nd rider actively sitting on the mounted bycycle while you ride the motorcycle xD
I love bikes. I also love bikes. This is perfect. It seems so dumb and ludicrous. I've always wanted something like this. I'm an endurance road biker, so for me, there was never a need to ride two and from the 'trailhead'. I'm also my own mechanic, but there's always a time where you eventually need to carry the bike somewhere with some more luggage than it can fit, or faster than you can ride it.
I sort of have this romantic idea that pulling a mono-wheel trailer behind a motorcycle is the solution for anything that riders collectively wish they could always take with them. There's only one or two manufacturers that have ever had a decent solution, one of which is a private small time company which is always backed up with orders. Kipmoto SherpaX trailers. Look them up. Toss anything in that trailer, slide a pin through the rear axle, off we go to pretty much anywhere on or off pavement.
One could possibly fit this to a bike with panniers, so you could have a place to store your motorcycle or bicycle gear as well as some water to be less sticky on the way back.
Front wheel mount looks floppy just mounting to a piece of flat plate, a fixed 15mm axle that the wheel slots onto would be nice (obviously not road compatible) Also how much does it obscure the lights & plate? Guess that varies by bike
I used to have a bike rack on my motorcycle when I was doing mountain bike racing more than a decade ago and some of the racers also have the racks too, so it's not really new.
I found a better solution I put a motorcycle carrier on the back of my van, paddle board on the roof, bicycles and stretcher bed inside. Now when I go for a bit of camping I have all my toys and bedroom with me and ready for use when I reach the camp site.
So many issues.. just get an offroad or dual motorcycle.. But my road bicycle weights 50lbs. I bet that will lead to excessive wheelies due to the added reach and weight in the rear.
There are a lot more cons apart from the weight transfer. - If you're not carefull you can go around banging and scratching other vehicles, even get stuck and have and accident. - You will need a sidebags to change clothes when switching from one "bike" to the other. So even more weight in the bag and more complexity. - It's impossible for this to be legal in my conuntry (Spain) and I'm kind of glad it is.
I'm sad it is illegal in Spain, but yes, max. 25 cm out of the back of the bike... I don't think you will scratch anything when riding, the weight of a bag holding your bicycle riding kit is negligible.
"This isn't great for meeting your friends at the trail as you still need somewhere to lock up your helmet while you're riding but for something like motorcycle touring its great" **lives in motorcycle gear for the next week touring somewhere as there is no room for luggage on the bike**
i only own a motorbike & sometimes i need to transport bicycles around for my job, so this would actually be perfect 😂 i don't think my dignity could handle it tho..
It seems like a toy for adult kids. Do you remember while being a kid if you got for example a toy car with a trailer and another stuff mounting on it? It was way more cool than just single toy car ;) For me who is pretty much in motocycling and cycling both, it looks just a little bit useless, and take a moto gear while being sweat isn't biggest problem. Where to store your moto gear when your ride a bicycle? Where to store bicycle helmet and bicycle shoes and other clothes when you ride a motorbike? Next thing is in order to install this rack I should remove a top case mount with additional brake light - so it is overcomplicated for real life. And what about road traffic law? is it legal? Since besides bikes and motorbike I have a regular car with rear trailer hanger - its waaaaaay easier for me to set thule bicycle rack. It just takes a few second and than just a minute to attach a bicycle.
I was very nervous putting my brand new beach cruiser on this rack. ruclips.net/user/postUgkxG6JIgwJhur8_Rg8UeQ3EmePzi_wSncL8 But after reading many reviews I decided to get this one and take a chance. When arrived it was very simple to adjust and put together. I also added spike tape over the metal hooks before securing and tightening the straps, and no scratches. I also purchased the top bar made by the same company so that my cruiser sits straight on the rack without having to turn upside down. Extra bungee cords are used to secure the front wheel from flapping and even piece of mind knowing your bike is secure. Definitely recommend...
It's sh***ty solution. Also it's crazy solution. )) If someone need this, than it useful. So, let it be. As for me, this solutions isn't good enough. What can be improved: 1. Easy way to mount bike more secure and avoid unwanted wiggling is to use two straps. Single strap can slide on the central point. Two straps can be connected to center or a bit closer to handlebars to make construction more solid. Note: strap is a strap. It will always be a bit flexible. 2. Also I'd recommend to move it as much as possible closer to the rider, but check that it doesn't disturb you while riding. 3. GIVI accessories are various. But, they have limitation in the aspect of possible load weight. As an option you can find someone, who will make solid luggage rack for your bike with additional mounting points and diagonal frame to the point where passenger's footstep mounted to the subframe. There will be required a bit longer bolt and appropriate spacer.
Sounds like you need bags on your motorcycle so you can swap gear and put your helmet in a sidecase. OR put your helmet to the clip under the seat. 🤷♂️
Why would any self-respecting motorcycle rider even consider a bicycle rack in their motorcycle? As a motorcycle rider, myself, I am clueless. This is so stupid. Once I got a motorcycle. The Bicycle went to the landfill.
@@AnIdiotOnTwoWheels a pillion can be well over 90kg no problem, I can’t see how a 13/16kg and a 5kg rack would come close, despite the extra leverage.
Interesting vid. If you like it, that's gr8. For me it's idiotic, it'll destabilize the bike at normal speed, and becomes an accident waiting to happen. Anyway, ride safe, god bless u all.
@@streddaz that configuration added additional weight that is further away from the motorcycle's center of mass, thereby increasing its risk of the motorcycle's moment of inertia. If the attachment starts to wobble a bit from side to side, it may create a larger torque that forces the motorcycle to wobble on its yaw and roll axis.
@@ZediMaster yes, the mass is further away but the mass is only about 18kg. A pillion can be up to 100kg + top box and panniers. It will make a difference to the handling but no more than what can already be carried safely on the bike.
As someone who mountain bikes and also wants a motorcycle really bad, it makes me happy to see there are people as crazy as me!
Was recently up at Loon Mountain resort and spotted someone on their BMW touring motorcycle and this mount!
I mtn bike and ride a motorcycle, didn't even know a thing like this existed, awesome! One thing I must mention though is the strap doesn't shift the weight at all, it merely secures the bicycle better, strapping something down does not change the center of mass, as the bike itself has not moved at all (same reason why standing on your pegs on a dirt bike doesn't lower your center of gravity)
I often thought about this, never realized others were thinking the same! I like the idea, just wish I could justify buying it. Great review though!
I have one. Got it for a birthday present a few years back. I love it! The only issue is that you feel it below speeds of 5kph. At speed, you don't even know it is there except for passing cars slowing to take a photo. (Hopefully it is the passenger taking the photo) Add some panniers and you can carry your bicycle gear then stow your helmet and moto gear when cycling.
I once met a couple on a motorbike just traveling through. They had honda sport bike with fairing off plus some kind of side car attached and wheelchair on back of the side car. At first I though it is a bicycle so I stopped by to check it out. But it was a wheelchair. I think it is pretty cool that that man did all of this just to take his disabled wife with him on bike tour. I'm sure you will meet lot of puzzled people asking stupid questions like I did with that couple :-)
I first saw something like this nearly 10 years ago. The guy was riding out of the carpark at the trails. I had to do a double take. A few years later he came into work and i quized him about it (and took a picture). He said he doesn't own a car so the motorbike is his only form of transport. His rack was custom made from a thule bike rack a custom frame and then straps to hold it all down. It looks to sit further forward than this. It also has the rear wheel supported on the rack rather than the crank arm. He has it mounted on a Ktm 990 supermoto
Sorry, but the strap does not move the center of gravity forwards. Physics doesn't work like that, the center of gravity is always in the mass center of the combined mass of a system. Said in another way: The center of gravity can't be moved with the bicycle still in the same place.
Exactly
The center of gravity is dependent on the spot the weight is applied. If you strap most of the weight is applied on the front fork, otherwise it will be applied at the pedal.
I have this rack and I can tell you it makes a huge difference if you don't strap it tight enough.
I made my own with an old Thule tray mounted to the passenger peg and the givi sidecase rack using some steel. I still have access to my top box and remaining side case for storing my clothes and helmet during a mountain bike ride.......helps to have a Vstrom which is physically a larger motorcycle and can accommodate a 29'er mountain bike
I remember an old blog, tumblr, or website of some kind that was all about “Bikes on Bikes” with an endless stream of pics featuring such things.
Looks great, not that fancy but looks functional
Ayeeooo..... You have suck a vast interest....😮
I considered something like this too but realised the same thing about getting back into gear all sweaty and where to lock motorcycle gear up.
side panniers on motorcycle?
@@SanketKambli That's true but Givi discontinued panniers on one of my bikes, and no one is selling them 😄
gear? I ride back in a tshirt, feels awesome- cant live in fear
This video made me chuckle when I saw it. I ran into someone affiliated with the company (likely the son) about 10 years ago where I used to live in North Carolina. He had one of these mounted to the back of a BMW GS and pulled into a filling station next to me so of course we had to chat for a bit. Pretty cool setup.
This is pretty neat! Ride the motorcycle up the mountain and ride the mountain bike in the mountains! :)
6:00 that strap does absolutely nothing to center of gravity. It may reduce some wiggling in the setup, but the center of gravity is still the same.
This is pretty cool. Nice feature, thanks!
I have mine on my WR250R and I love it!
Damn bro, the tan sidewalls look insane on that cypher of yours!! 🔥👌
I started mountainbiking a while back, but my local trail centre is like 15 miles away on hilly roads which is unfeasible if I just want a quick day out. No public transport to get there, and I only have a motorbike. I thought this would be impossible, but maybe not, and honestly 300 bucks is perfectly reasonable for something like this when they want 400+ for a topbox.
Imagine doing a wheely and still ending up on two wheels lol
There's also apparently a bike rack for a Ferrari 458.
And yes definitely for motorcycles, my friend took so many pictures when they went to race in Malaysia.
Madlads, rode their bikes there for a race, rode back after the race, reaching back at 3am on the day of an exam. Wish I was strong enough at the time to join them.
And yes that Ferrari with the bikes can get into any car park just because it's so low.
I want supercars and superbikes with bike mounts.
I'm always mounting things to my FZ-07 that normal people probably wouldn't.
This fits exactly that. I take my onewheel places on the bike. I strap my surfboard to my stunt cage.
Pretty sweet!
I'd bet a front wheel holder is possible. And just let the rear wheel roll?
I was thinking about the front wheel holder for quite some time, but I cannot escape the thoughts about uncontrollable wiggling of the bike. Plus, the bicycle tires and other parts are not made for such speeds. A little tow-cart with road-legal tires, maybe? Also, in Europe you would have to have an extension of the rear lights and licence plate holder (yes I know, Europe legislation isn´t much friendly about it :D ). Try to look on our old czech motorcycle with such cart - Jawa with páv
i was thinking of this as my final year engineering project
Super cool, but I'm more interested in the suitcase welder!
Hey I got here first I've always been a big fan of your channel. I dreamed about being a moto blogger too and you inspire me. More power to you and your channel from the Philippines
This is really cool, thinking of getting a motorbike and wanted to know if there was racks for bikes. I feel like they could flip the rack around though so the fork is attached towards the rear. The weight of the linkage + drivetrain is probably better more towards the front of the motorbike for stability.
Pretty interesting! In the first seconds I thought this construction is for a 2nd rider actively sitting on the mounted bycycle while you ride the motorcycle xD
Hahahaha that would be absolutely insane but hilarious to witness
Surely a 'valid Strava KOM'
@@JohanvanderWerff hahaha I shall beat all my mates!
Do they offer the opposite too when you want to bring your motorcycle on a bike ride?
I think in the UK it would need a Light Board, If is legal at all???
This looks so janky I might just get one hahaha
I love my mountain bike and I just bought my first motorcycle, perfect timing of this video.
A maxi scooter would solve the helmet and riding gear storage problem. They would be the perfect combo for this IMO.
Great review!
Thanks for getting your hands on one. I can definitely use one 👍
I love bikes. I also love bikes. This is perfect. It seems so dumb and ludicrous. I've always wanted something like this. I'm an endurance road biker, so for me, there was never a need to ride two and from the 'trailhead'. I'm also my own mechanic, but there's always a time where you eventually need to carry the bike somewhere with some more luggage than it can fit, or faster than you can ride it.
I want to ride up to the Mekong on my motorbike, then enjoy a few days cycling and exploring the river.
You had me at the crazy thumbnail
This is very useful here in the Philippines! 🇵🇭
A saw Blake from GMBN carried his pushbike on his motorbike ^^
Looks like a wheelie bar and that being a mt09 you will probably use it at some point 😂
I sort of have this romantic idea that pulling a mono-wheel trailer behind a motorcycle is the solution for anything that riders collectively wish they could always take with them. There's only one or two manufacturers that have ever had a decent solution, one of which is a private small time company which is always backed up with orders. Kipmoto SherpaX trailers. Look them up. Toss anything in that trailer, slide a pin through the rear axle, off we go to pretty much anywhere on or off pavement.
One could possibly fit this to a bike with panniers, so you could have a place to store your motorcycle or bicycle gear as well as some water to be less sticky on the way back.
Front wheel mount looks floppy just mounting to a piece of flat plate, a fixed 15mm axle that the wheel slots onto would be nice (obviously not road compatible)
Also how much does it obscure the lights & plate? Guess that varies by bike
This would be sweet on a Maxi scooter as you still will have boot space tonput your helmets, like the BMW C650 Sport or GT and the Yamaha T-Max.
Perfect for someone who into mtb and motorbike like me
I would 100% have one but my bike have not got a luggage rack and I haven't found an aftermarket one for it yet
Ha that's really cool. It's like you said very niche. I really like innovation that solve's problems though.
I used to have a bike rack on my motorcycle when I was doing mountain bike racing more than a decade ago and some of the racers also have the racks too, so it's not really new.
This might be pretty illegal here in Italy, we have max 50 cm lateral and anterior and posterior space for overhang on bikes
I found a better solution I put a motorcycle carrier on the back of my van, paddle board on the roof, bicycles and stretcher bed inside. Now when I go for a bit of camping I have all my toys and bedroom with me and ready for use when I reach the camp site.
I ride a SYM Citicom 300i that has a Givi box already attached. I can remove the Givi with one click. Can I install this over the Givi setup?
So many issues.. just get an offroad or dual motorcycle.. But my road bicycle weights 50lbs. I bet that will lead to excessive wheelies due to the added reach and weight in the rear.
My next wish list 😅
Heh! We are alter twins! I also lovee bicycles and have an fz09 myself!
There are a lot more cons apart from the weight transfer.
- If you're not carefull you can go around banging and scratching other vehicles, even get stuck and have and accident.
- You will need a sidebags to change clothes when switching from one "bike" to the other. So even more weight in the bag and more complexity.
- It's impossible for this to be legal in my conuntry (Spain) and I'm kind of glad it is.
I'm sad it is illegal in Spain, but yes, max. 25 cm out of the back of the bike... I don't think you will scratch anything when riding, the weight of a bag holding your bicycle riding kit is negligible.
Maybe test ride a Honda Fury for a video? :p
i am looking for ideas for my bike. wil this work on a street bike? yamaha R1 2005 model?
It’s a recipe for Cager target fixation!
Great setup to save gas and have fun while riding to go on a ride!
I wonder if there’s any issues with it being road legal- I live in Denmark
Coincidentally I was just thinking about ways to load my cycle on my bike!
Love from Miami Beach FL USA great job bro ☝💚🤟🤯🔥🚀✌🙏🦾💥👍😇👉👀✊
Dude when are we gonna get some MTB content🤩
Go for a bicycle ride in your full motorcycle gear 🤔 hahaha or dont wear it and get gravel rash on the way home 😫
"This isn't great for meeting your friends at the trail as you still need somewhere to lock up your helmet while you're riding but for something like motorcycle touring its great"
**lives in motorcycle gear for the next week touring somewhere as there is no room for luggage on the bike**
Maybe if it mounted more vertically than way out back as it is now and included a topbox on the mount I could see it being a better solution.
i only own a motorbike & sometimes i need to transport bicycles around for my job, so this would actually be perfect 😂 i don't think my dignity could handle it tho..
I was looking for a way to transport my gsxr on my haro. This video was not my answer.
Great for Ducati riders...better than walking back home...
Givi Rack Weight Limit max weight of the rack is 6kg or 13lbs.
i dont think you could but can you put a dirt bike on it?
Very weird but cool… too niche for me but still cool
This looks cool
You missed my question
Can a pilion sit on the bicycle while you are riding bike
6:51
Seems like it would take all the fun out of motorcycling, unless you don't have a car and just want to transport your bicycle.
Its just a big wheelie bar haha
I want a bike rack that fits securely, but still allows me to keep my top box. Anyone seen one?
they have a vertical style mount that lets you keep the top box
2022 honda ct125 review?
I just saw something like this some days ago and thought it was comical and some makeshift thing
My reaction was, "what the fuck is that! give me a break don't be absurd"
Nice Reacto 👍
intense
It seems like a toy for adult kids. Do you remember while being a kid if you got for example a toy car with a trailer and another stuff mounting on it? It was way more cool than just single toy car ;)
For me who is pretty much in motocycling and cycling both, it looks just a little bit useless, and take a moto gear while being sweat isn't biggest problem. Where to store your moto gear when your ride a bicycle? Where to store bicycle helmet and bicycle shoes and other clothes when you ride a motorbike? Next thing is in order to install this rack I should remove a top case mount with additional brake light - so it is overcomplicated for real life.
And what about road traffic law? is it legal?
Since besides bikes and motorbike I have a regular car with rear trailer hanger - its waaaaaay easier for me to set thule bicycle rack. It just takes a few second and than just a minute to attach a bicycle.
I was very nervous putting my brand new beach cruiser on this rack. ruclips.net/user/postUgkxG6JIgwJhur8_Rg8UeQ3EmePzi_wSncL8 But after reading many reviews I decided to get this one and take a chance. When arrived it was very simple to adjust and put together. I also added spike tape over the metal hooks before securing and tightening the straps, and no scratches. I also purchased the top bar made by the same company so that my cruiser sits straight on the rack without having to turn upside down. Extra bungee cords are used to secure the front wheel from flapping and even piece of mind knowing your bike is secure. Definitely recommend...
This is awesome
I love it.
6:00 It really doesn't
It's sh***ty solution. Also it's crazy solution. )) If someone need this, than it useful. So, let it be.
As for me, this solutions isn't good enough.
What can be improved:
1. Easy way to mount bike more secure and avoid unwanted wiggling is to use two straps. Single strap can slide on the central point. Two straps can be connected to center or a bit closer to handlebars to make construction more solid. Note: strap is a strap. It will always be a bit flexible.
2. Also I'd recommend to move it as much as possible closer to the rider, but check that it doesn't disturb you while riding.
3. GIVI accessories are various. But, they have limitation in the aspect of possible load weight. As an option you can find someone, who will make solid luggage rack for your bike with additional mounting points and diagonal frame to the point where passenger's footstep mounted to the subframe. There will be required a bit longer bolt and appropriate spacer.
It is nice untill some stupid rear ended u,just imagine how much time it will take the truama care needed for taking out the pipes from your body.
Sounds like you need bags on your motorcycle so you can swap gear and put your helmet in a sidecase. OR put your helmet to the clip under the seat. 🤷♂️
Yes, saddle bags or panniers would be the go for a change of gear an a towel.
How about my Kayak?
Why would any self-respecting motorcycle rider even consider a bicycle rack in their motorcycle? As a motorcycle rider, myself, I am clueless. This is so stupid. Once I got a motorcycle. The Bicycle went to the landfill.
Well it’s a good thing everyone doesn’t think like you then.
This looks like a good way to discourage car drivers from rear ending you.
WoW!!!!!!!!
Where's my bicycle helmet go?
Wheelie control 101
👍
I can’t believe I’m watching this…
I can't imagine this will do any good to your rear subframe
cant be worse than a pillion
@@sanamdeepsingh6993 It has a lot more leverage than a pillion
@@AnIdiotOnTwoWheels a pillion can be well over 90kg no problem, I can’t see how a 13/16kg and a 5kg rack would come close, despite the extra leverage.
Put it on a sport bike
Someone show this to whats his same, Clarkson from topgear 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
legal?
I’d like to find something like this for carrying eScooters.
Interesting vid. If you like it, that's gr8. For me it's idiotic, it'll destabilize the bike at normal speed, and becomes an accident waiting to happen. Anyway, ride safe, god bless u all.
Why would it destabilise the motorcycle? It’s a whole lot lighter than a pillion.
@@streddaz that configuration added additional weight that is further away from the motorcycle's center of mass, thereby increasing its risk of the motorcycle's moment of inertia. If the attachment starts to wobble a bit from side to side, it may create a larger torque that forces the motorcycle to wobble on its yaw and roll axis.
@@ZediMaster yes, the mass is further away but the mass is only about 18kg. A pillion can be up to 100kg + top box and panniers. It will make a difference to the handling but no more than what can already be carried safely on the bike.
@@streddaz the effect is the sum of mass times the distance square, just do the math....
@@ZediMaster Ok you do the math and post that up then😉