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The Good and Bad of Sonic Origins
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- Опубликовано: 24 июн 2022
- Sonic Origins has finally released! And it does indeed allow you to play Sonic the Hedgehog 1, CD, 2, 3, & Knuckles. Wow, I can't believe they pulled that off
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This game makes me wonder what Mario 3D All-Stars could have been: spiced-up graphics, new cutscenes, additional modes, a new soundtrack, and of course, the absence of a limited-time retail sale.
That'd be awesome
You know I didn’t think of that
Good point
I think people expected too much from 3D All Stars. It was just supposed to be a port of the first three 3D Mario games on switch. While I do wish it wasn’t limited time, I think HD graphics, new modes, cutscenes, and soundtracks would feel wrong
Yes it should have been better than it was but the games in this collection r mobile apps and apparently it's got a tonne of glitches and the developers came out and said they hate this game lol
With Odyssey engine?
"Knuckles is an idiot for teaming up with Eggman." How the hell was he supposed to know? He sits there, guarding the Master Emerald his whole life and the (presumably) first person he sees clearly just got his ass beat. Id be more surprised if he didn't given how naive Knuckles is at first.
He's not the only inhabitant of the island, just the only remaining echidna.
@@chebghobbi sure but Robotnik is most likely the first person Knuckles has seen who ISN'T from Angel Island
@@WrongJoke06 Yeah that's true.
Chill
@@PixelplayerYT no
2:46 I love it when people basically discover speedrun skips on like day 1 of a game's release
Wait I don’t see it. Sorry bout that. I’m so dumb.
It wasn’t even out in America by that time, so it’s more like day 0 for me
why do i see you literally everywhere
Getting the chaos emerald in a speedrun?
Bug
0:32 The pixel art was not "redone" for any game though, it just looks better because it's rendered natively on the resolution you're playing on instead of being emulated at its original resolution and then stretched to fit your screen.
I’m not sure if he mentioned it but they added in the unused sprites/put in some new ones for the games, which deserves praise. Some examples are obvious when you’re spinning on things like the Barrel, or Super Sonic’s corrected quills sprites. It’s a stretch but I think that might be what he was trying to say, or this fact should just replace that part.
@@myguy4203 More specifically, they only remade sonic 3, that's why it has new sprites.
@@myguy4203yeah sonic 1,2, cd have almost no changes to them except for the drop dash I think, sonic 3 was made from the ground up which is why it fixed those things while sonic team just did the porting of the mobile ports
Really enjoying this new direction for the triggered series. Makes it feel more original and the going back and forth on the good and bads of a game is really nice. Plus it’s just nice not having to wait for the second video about the good of a game. Keep up the good work Nathaniel!
I plan on continuing to evolve this series more over time as well, thank you!
@@NathanielBandy This video mainly consists of bad stuff of Sonic Origins. Lol
@Darth Vader I mean, tbh, Its not as great as it was advertised. Paywalls, Music change, *_Many bugs... More than the original games had,_* and so on. Not to mention, its true that this is one of the many Classic Sonic collection games. Tbh, the only good things I can say about this game is the fact that the cutscenes are well done, I love the Menus and the improved fps, and Mission mode is actually fun (retrying special stages is awesome too) besides that, It was kinda overhyped to begin with
Nah, I prefer the original style.
I love how some of the "bad" are nitpicks or actual issues that already existed in the original version, and the "good" also exists in the original and some of the improvements already came from the mobile ports
4:58 *_You called this labyrinth zone by accident lol_*
I mean, I get it, zone does feel like a maze at parts
He also calls it Marble Garden Zone earlier on. That's more excusable, but Marble _Garden_ Zone is from Sonic 3
Fraud detected
Lol
I was about to say that
He called it marble hill later on in his video ranking every sonic game
4:58 But then there’s labyrinth
Yeah that’s definitely labyrinth zone
yeah DEFINITELY
He called it Marble Garden before that too. 3:50
"what's Tails' purpose outside of 2P, he does nothing" Activate Flight Assist by pressing Up+Jump while jumping
Not in the original original. He was just there for 2 player then.
@@Xegethra Yeah but this is about Sonic Origins which adds the flight assist. Which makes critiquing a part of the original game that isn't true in the rerelease feel odd.
@@TangledLion Yeah I know. But since the video was on about the original Tails, so was I. I agree, he should have been talking about Origins Tails.
Unless he somehow didn't know about the new abilities and he wasn't actually talking about original Tails at all....in which case, he should have known Origins Tails is more than the original.
yeah i forgot to check if that was a thing in this till like Metropolis zone lol
Extra hits on egg man and comedic value.
I personally want to shake the hand of the person who said “I have an idea! How bout we let people retry the special stages in exchange for one coin.”
Me too:D
Bathaniel: I like both of the Sonic CD Soundtracks.
US Game over and boss theme: Allow us to introduce ourselves.
2:46
I remember laughing so hard when I saw this on Charriii's playthrough.
4:21
"The sonic boom song is music to my ears " Congratulations, your hearing works.
I still remember when Bathianel was a prick, but now he's evolved into an pretty chill guy who always tries to see the good in games, as opposed to Nathianel, who seems to be salty about everything since the series has taken a new direction and really should take a chill pill.
Nathaniel : triggered
Bathaniel : mind blowing
But what about Nathaniel nandy?
Lmao
@@thatpoorlonelyguywhonobody2143 wait for a new switch
Nathaniel: Wait, you think these games have actually aged that well?
They aged better than Mario 64
You ain’t exactly wrong
Fair enough, except Sonic 1 special stages
Mania in itself proves that they aged well lol
idk man, mario 64 gets way too much attention when they literally decompiled and ported the game to pc
I mean.... yeah, of course you are right. Mario 64 was one of the first games in 3D, of course its ageing would be more noticeable
I really hope they are allowed to release some patches and updates for the game because I would say this could be the definitive official versions of these games.
Or even an update that adds other games like sonic 3D blast or the games from the game gear
@@MetalJuggalo I think they should remake a lot of classic genesis games in the retro engine like this. Just make sure they are finished. Sandopolis Act 2 checkpoints don’t work
Until they make the PlayStation 10 versions then those will
Be definite
6:43
Somecallmejohnny: SLICERS!!!!!
7:18 That's not a cutscene, you can actually jump in that section, and there's 10 rings that you're missing if you don't jump at all.
I like to think that Nathanial Nandy took his time to fly down from wherever he's from and busts into Nathanial Bandy's house just to deliver that one message before flying away.
1:25 BECAUSE SAGA DOSE WHAT NINTENDON'T
*SEGA
Nathaniel has so many alternate versions of himself, he makes the massive sea of Sonic OCs look like a kiddie pool.
Soon we'll have Bathaniel Bandy
I’m really Starting to enjoy these new types of triggered/mine blowing video
@@Cliffordlonghead since when do I have to watch the full video to leave a comment
@@Cliffordlonghead bro what is with this beef honestly
3:32 “Shadow or AMY“
*Little did he know*
No shadow, cause obviously
6:49 actually, you will make it if you hold down on the d pad. That's how your intended to make it
The problem with 3:18 is that you can just press The title screen button on the pause screen so then you just go to main menu for that game and then change the soundtrack
(No offense) but this is the first good “good and bad of” video. Also this compilation rocks!
What's wrong with the other ones?
@@DJSpinSter2004 I don't know. But I think this one seems more positive, since it's a good compilation of classic games. Can't say the same for the new Pac-Man Museum, at least right now.
Where is bathaniel bandy
7:57 "They fly now?"
"They fly now!"
6:32 the bleep and Bandy getting hit synced* up perfectly XD
4:52 you said Labyrinth twice😂
7:10 Oh I only just realised that that reminded me of when in Deltarune, Berdly teams up with Queen, of course, Knuckles is kinda like Berdly, I mean Berdly was based on a Nintendo Character (Falco) and a Sega Character (Knuckles). Oh did I just realise.
Im all for a game that FINALLY gives us 3 and Knuckles again
A WHITEHEAD port too
Wish they did it sooner and made it stand alone for like 10 bucks cause I would gladly pay for it and I don't have to pay 30 bucks for 3 I'm probably never gonna play
6:22 I'll tell you. He helps me collect rings, and he helps me beat everybody up, including the bosses. Best buds for life!
6:00 idk, maybe it’s too much for his power bill? Can’t imagine an instant death laser relies on some triple A’s
8:03 did I just learn new nb lore
Fun fact:The Sonic & Knuckles PC port music is actually the original versions of the songs before MJ composed the new(original) versions of Flying battery,Ice cap and Launch base we are all fimliar with.
Great video by the way!!! Keep up the good work NathanielBandy👍!!!
The good and bad series feels like a mashup of Triggered and Mind blown videos
I really enjoy your the good and bad series!
How many are they going to do?
So are we never going to get another triggered/mind blowing video? Are they just done?
@@quangamershyguyyz7166 please don’t be true! We need complete videos Bathaniel
@Quangamer ShyGuyyz well... He did say that he renamed the triggered and mind blowing series to "good and bad" basically the same thing but in the same video
@@luckywii8731 really?
Would be nice to see behind the scenes content for the Good and Bad series idk could be cool to see
not a bad idea, could be something to post for channel members
@@NathanielBandy could u bring back triggered and mind blowing those were my favourite
@@midnightflash wdym this is the mind blowing/triggered series
@@coolwhip310 no this is the good and bad series
@@midnightflash it's the same thing but a different name
«Why cant nintendo do 2D hand animated cutscenes in their games» 1:20 What about Links Awakening?
Watching Nathaniel Mandy fly off was truly magical
0:56 This is a thing on 2011 port.
Did anybody else notice he called Marble Zone "Labyrinth" and then proceeded to mention Labyrinth twice?
5:22 you put it as the 6th best 2d sonic game!?!?!?!?
When you where mentioning Marble Zone's palace you said Marble Garden at 3:50
RUclipsr (Mistake) moment
Pointing this out: At 4:57 when you were talking about the other levels in Sonic 1, you called Marble Zone by the wrong name.
That's a clever thumbnail...Eggman is bad and sonic is good!
As a huge Sonic fan I've actually never grew up with the classic games I grew up with the Adventure games and the dark age games and Generations.
I played the classic games last year and honestly the only thing I like about them is they can be fun and alittle uneasy as well, Sonic origins gives me more reasons to like them like the cutscenes and adding everything together it's awesome!
Same! I'm a huge Sonic fan as well but I grew up with the ps2 Sonic games such as Sonic Riders, Sonic gems collections and Sonic unleashed. I think that the classic games are fine but my only favorite ones are Sonic CD and Sonic Mania.
@@sonicmaiden2871 I only like CD and 3&K the original and second are fine and I just do not like Sonic Mania one bit expect for the final boss as Super Sonic.
@@SayoriChan640 I like the soundtrack of 3&k. The original tracks for Ice Cap Zone and Launch Base Zone are my favorites! As for Sonic Mania, I can see why some people might not like it. It's faster than the original Genessis games and has less platforming in some levels.
What I do like about the classic's is the atmosphere of it, It gives me Sonic.EXE vibes and because the games have some creepy music (especially CD) it makes me feel like unsettled.
@@SayoriChan640it makes sense. The Sonic.exe fan games and creepy pastas were mostly based on the classic Genessis games. I don't like creepy pastas in general though.
Now THIS is how you make an all-star collection game *cough* NINTENDO *cough*
It does have it’s flaws though. But nothing can really be perfect
Nathaniel, how is it that years later you still don’t know that those launcher things in Wing Fortress only kill you if you hold right? Just leave the control stick neutral, and you’ll get launched across to the other side. Just remember to jump over the second one or you’ll get launched right back.
I have arguments against every thing hes triggered about except for the menu ones, those suck
A first time player is not gonna know that until it's too late.
@@DADA-yt1pt True, it took me a while to figure out how that worked.
4 words
Another classic collection
WHY
Cause _M O N E Y_
Not really a surprise though, they did this many times (surprised that A.I.R wasn't taken down By sega
@@luckywii8731 sega in a nutshell
So good at making this series i have been a og of this channel. You should make a halo good and bad
0:00 Good
1:45 Bad
3:34 Good 2
4:46 Bad 2
I enjoy the good and the bad series I really like it! 😀
6:07 How Sonic Origins triggers you. Yeah I'm triggered too but at 7:23 I actually think that's a cool mechanic, releasing enemies instead of animals, it's like how you can put enemies in blocks in smm2, and like the fake flagpole in 3D World.
I guess this is good bye to the separate Triggered and Mind Blowing series’s. I’ll miss them
“But then there’s Labyrinth” (shows footage of Marble Zone)
0:45 Well joke's on you, since all this so called Classic Mode does is remove the 16:9 aspect ration and Drop-Dash, otherwise it's the EXACT SAME VERSION. So technically yes, there is legitimately no reason to ever play that mode.
Well, the Life system is there but it still respawns you on the last checkpoint, so it's pointless as well.
1:53 It’s coming on June 23rd
Honestly thanks for the death egg robot strategy, I’ve been think of a good strategy but could never think of one. Thanks again
When Nathaniel was talking about the bad parts it’s literally the solo triggered videos
From an art perspective, these games are beautiful.
I’m not even JUST talking about the cute cartoon art style for the cutscenes that I have dedicated my time to learning(as I’m honestly hoping to do art stuff for Sega one day myself)
But the pixel art is beautiful!
Dude, you don’t realize how DIFFICULT pixel art is until you try it yourself.
Say what you will about some of the level design in the sense of…well…
*cue war flashbacks to the labyrinth stage*
…
Yeah…
But even then, the artwork on that level is GORGEOUS!
Tails can carry you to get to higher routes and can help with bosses.
Additionally "in some ways" he can be seen as a hard mode.
6:24
yeah up against the death egg boss after destroying the mecha's fingers he can cause you to die trying to hit Eggman before he fires the laser at you. Real annoying when you have Super/Hyper Sonic active
Thanks for ruining the joke dude
@@lauluis1mii124 wait , you actually thought that was a joke.
isnt it funny how he said the same thing in sonic mania triggered video ?
@@30THMAN. yeah!
I'm happy you finally invested in a new tripod so you don't have to film eachother. It looks way more smooth without so many jumpcuts.
Ah yes, the Sonic 1 zone order, Green Hill, Labyrinth, Spring yard, Labyrinth, and Scrap Brain
Great video!
I really like this game it’s so creative and fun
I love your videos some of the best on RUclips and some of the funniest keep up the good work!
Thx bandy for the honest review! Really hype to play this game soon
7:29 You know Bathan Bandy does have a point, WHAT'S THE POINT OF RELEASING A COLLECTION FOR 60 BUCKS WHEN WE ALREADY HAVE *SEGA GENESIS NSO* !? What, TOO HARD TO EMULATE THESE GAMES, SEGA!?
3:11 actually there is a proper level selection screen for all 4 games
this game is a true celebration of classic sonic and that's great to know
Still waiting for Bathaniel Bandy to make his debut.
I enjoyed this series but I missed the trigger and mind-blowing series
4:58 Yeah bro that’s totally Labyrinth zone
6:23 Yeah, it’s not like Tails can’t hold you and fly to get you to higher and easier pathways
7:00 Easier battles are a good thing
7:08 If a man came up to you, a powerful warrior, and asked you to help him to defeat 2 beasts who have 7 gems with the power of demi-gods, would you not help him?
7:22 That’s literally the only one that spawns enemies in the whole game
true
This video is a joke, if you still did "not" get it.
Good points ngl
@@omar2345X Ik
7:22 There's a second one in the same act.
6:28 he can fly sonic around like in mania.
3:50 Marble Garden?!
4:58 Labyrinth?!
Ok Bandy needs to play more Sonic 1 if he mixes up the same level twice in a row smh
He actually got it right in the original Sonic 1 Triggered
I totally agree with the level select thing, it's even more shameful that the mobile ports of sonic 2 and I think 1 had these but not in orgins bruh it's so annoying
Also how can it be a collection, Sonic Jam, from 1997 gives you far more options for how you wanted to play the games than a collection from 2022 where in order to get all the bells and whistles of wide screen you must play it this way (Anniversary Mode), and ONLY this way.
Sonic Jam
Turn on or off the Spin Dash for Sonic 1
Turn on or off the time limit for Sonic 1-&3K
Change the difficulty setting from *Easy to **Normal across Sonic 1-3&K or play in Original mode, even without the time limit.
* The Easy mode dramatically reduces the difficulty across the four Mega Drive titles so as to help less experienced players. In this mode, many levels are skipped, any encountered bosses only take three hits, and much of the level design is tweaked for easier play, be it the removal of obstacles, or the addition of more helpful objects such as monitors.
**"Normal" Acts as essentially a bug-fixed version of the original game, though some layout changes were made to address concerns with the original releases. As an example, more platforms were added in Sonic 2's Chemical Plant Zone to reduce the chances of the player drowning in the level's second Act - it means on the whole, "Normal" is easier than "Original", but harder than "Easy".
You can access the level select like any other classic sonic port by headcanon. You just gotta know the code
@@2yoyoyo1Unplugged nah bro I know about the code but I don't like the fact that you have to enter it every time to select a stage and a another code just for super sonic it's very annoying
2:51 yeah I saw that whole dudes stream and saw that
wait saw what
@@Placeholder103 look at the number I put before the commet and click that
@@cup-o-joe4679 i did what about it
He skipped the boss after turning into Super Sonic
4:58 its funny how he said labyrinth and shows marble zone
you know the songs from the old PC version are actually from that recently discovered Sonic 3 Beta. they are much older than we realized initially.
Hi, Nathaniel Bandy. I like how you got the LEGO Ideas Sonic set in your house. But HOW did you get it? 2:09
The remixes of the prototype tracks in Sonic 3 should have been better. We all knew the final Michael Jackson tracks weren't going to return, so the new rearrangements should have sounded on par with other tracks in Sonic 3.
The S3 Complete versions by ValleyBell sound good
They literally sound less finished than the prototype ones despite being supposed to be a finished version for them
4:58 he says labyrinth when talking about marble.
Yeah nathaniel with cape is right. Despite any opinions about how well aged old sonic games, I feel nothing when sega wants to re-release the same sonic games, at least this time they pull out 3 and knuckles together, but c'mon sega give us adventure, heroes, even the ones from the GBA, Rush, even the Master System ones instead of playing the first sonic again
Im so sad that this game is 254 bucks in Brazil,all sonic games are all this expensive...im now afraid about the sonic frontiers price...
ITS WHAT!?!?
@@jalolastname5446 two hundred fifth four bucks
2:43 Everything else I don't care about, but THIS?! THIS is something that bothers me greatly! Knuckles SHOULD be playable in CD!
Because he wasn't playable in the original 2011 version outside of mods.
Just wait until Sega announces the Sonic Collection Collection. Then you can play every Sonic collection ever made.
Nathaniel: talks about Labyrinth Zone being a miserable fxck heap
Also Nathaniel: **literally shows marble zone**
Still feels weird to see this series no longer called "triggered." I already miss the old branding tbh. It gave this series personality.
You forgot to say that the special stages in cd are even worst: first the controls, they are fine, but once you bounce on a bumper wall it is a chore to regain control of your character, secondly, hitting the UFOs is pure luck, sometimes you jump thinking you will get it but NOPE it stays intact, third the fact that when you hit water you lose a lot of seconds in the time limit, they could have did it better if sonic just, fell into the water and reappear on the stage
Oh and also don’t think that using coins will help, you will keep losing and losing and losing. I only got 4 of the time stones with that method, and 0 without it.
If you hate the special stages so much and you still want the good ending just travel to the past and destroy all those hidden robot generators
@@hamzamohamed6774
1: i have all of them now
2: i spent the game getting both the generators and time stones
3: i still needed to complete them to have access to their time attack versions that i needed to unlock sound test and, most importantly, level select
Well yeah but the time attack version of it is a complete joke consider that you don't have a time limit which means if you touch that weird liquid it won't be a big deal
@@hamzamohamed6774 you have no idea how much I’ve struggled to finish the last 3 stages quickly
Anyone else notice that Brad Buxer is still listed in the credits as a composer in this version?
yeah this Is the best way to persieve this type of videos, congrats Nathaniel
"there is a lot of other collection why Need this?"
i never bought the others xD
Knuckles was secluded on floating island for his entire life with no interaction whatsoever, so you can't really blame him for teaming up with Robotnik, especially after he lied to him about Sonic and Tails
00:02:51 what’s so funny
The bug…
Sonic Origins Plus was just announced 30minutes ago
If you drop dash on a Super Emerald in Sonic 3, the game softlocks until you retry.
1:15
It's literally the exact opposite. The PC versions are rearanged from the genesis version. The original versions were leaked a few years back. Michael Jackson made his music after the original versions were composed.
This is probably the only video I've seen that doesn't say the versions of the S3 Prototype tracks they used to replace the MJ tracks in Sonic 3 are terrible. And I agree, they're quite good 👍🏻
The S3 Complete versions are better
4:58
Ah yes my favorite 2nd Sonic stage:
*labyrinth zone.*
Yeah and there's 2 labyrinth zones
Yes I woke up to this video and it was amazing thanks Nathaniel for making my day better 👍