Grenfell started with a faulty fridge.And papers being kept in kitchen. People cooking with gas would not have helped.In the event of a fire. My father had electric cooker and he lived on third floor .But his heating was gas. If your every in a fire .Turn the sink and bath taps on.The water will cool it down a bit.
@@Madmarkhor I didn’t understand them. That’s why I asked for clarification of what was written. Your English comprehension is obviously very poor too.
The Freeholder of the block of flats should be held accountable. if the fire brigade has said that there was fire risks then why wasn't there anything done about it?. Thank god the Fire brigade managed to get everyone out. The fire brigade learned from the mistakes made at grenfell, why hasn't the government or the the building owners?
For many years, the Fire Brigade undertook fire inspections on buildings. This stopped in the 2000s, and the responsibility was passed onto the building owners. Enuff said really.
The Fire alarms did not wake any body It was people knocking on doors .That woke people up and got them out.The first engine arrived in 5 minutes. 40 engines were sent and 225 firemen also women.And the long ladder . What started the fire. At least every body got out. The only answer is to build three story buildings. It's to dangerous to go above the height of the long ladder. Well done to fire service.Better than Grenfell.And why has Grenfell not been pulled down.Its been there for years.No one is going to live there any more.
Grenfell needs to be pulled down.And only three stores built there in future. I see a lot of flats going up in London. Who is going to buy them.With all these fires. To dangerous to live in a High Rise. If you are old or young.
No one has been held accountable for Grenfell. The same is true for the building safety scandal and the governments handling of this has been piecemeal. The flat I live in was not built to safety standards in 2006 we await the developers to put this right. In the meantime our service chargers have increased from £2000 a year to £7000. We have had to pay for fire inspections and a 24 hour waking watch patrol. The ‘cost’ of this is falling on the people and ever increasing the financial burden and housing crisis. Paying more to live in an unsafe building doesn’t make it safer.
You'll find that it's actually employees of the Council Housing Dept who arrange the sub - letting . Usually belonging to a particular religious / ethnic background.. I can't wait for the Times " investigative " journalists to cover THAT story.....???
@@metalicminer6231 Please let me create logic. It’s not just about how a fire starts though that should be avoided of course, it’s about how it can spread. 60s built flats were deliberately compartmentalised to stop any fires from spreading. Flames out the window can only get out of control with the unfortunate-help of the modern dangerous cladding system or/and wood scaffolding all of which joins all the apartments together for the journey of the fire.
@@haydenharris3059 of course it's about how the fire starts, most things can be flammable,we used to live in wooden buildings with open fires, all fires need an ignition. I'm not sure if your logic is working?
@@haydenharris3059 you are missing the point, fires don't just start without ignition points, we don't use open flames anymore. So what started the fire is more important.
if there isn't convictions over this deliberate delay in fixing issues, the landlord must be held responsible, but now the question is what will happen to the people if the illigals get better treatment over the people lost there homes it will never be forgiven
It was a big welfare state back in 2008 when i worked there, the biggest in Europe. Gentrification of east and south London in particular by the middle class over croweded the area. Nearby Newham and Barking already stripped of identity and its local community was already full and Dagenham became the next dumping ground. I did hear Canning Town had a huge fire a few months back not sure if cladding was the cause on that one.
Back in 1965 a reorganisation of the London area border took place. Areas that had been part of Essex were moved to Greater London although confusingly the post office still puts Essex as part of the postal address. Area served by London ambulance service. London fire brigade. Metropolitan police. Those entitled to the ENCTS who live in London get to use the underground, docklands light railway Croydon trams National rail within the zones as well as buses. ENCTS from outside London only get the buses. We even have sadiq Khan as mayor of London. I believe I am qualified to mention this as I live in Barking IG11. Supposedly in Essex.
The council is a corporation. Your council tax is paid directly to central gov. They then direct the council as to what they can spend on. The rest of the money is going to uk ltd who pay wef etc huge sums and are not for our benefit. Therefore, the central gov should be answerable to these problems. Esp as they passed the legislation to allow the cladding oversight in favour of corporate profits. The shareholders should be digging deep to be fined and found accountable for the trauma and homelessness caused. Perhaps they should be moved out of their gated developments to house these people and they could stay in their country pads for a while?
Council tax is NOT paid to central government, it is paid directly to your local authority.
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Remember watching Grenfell fir on sky news, early hours in the morning, it still Shocks me today, watching it & the fireman telling the ,Now Dead, to go back into a Burning building, i was shouting at the tv, no get out. Haunting.
Grenfell was a massive coverup by The Establishment. A refrigerator exploded, blew the windows out and that allowed the external cladding to ignite. Now what would cause a fridge to explode? Maybe if it contained explosive materials? And what was the intended purpose of thos materials?
People need to read the UK fire regulations. Generally apartment buildings are not required to have audible fire alarms because they are not designed to be evacuated in one go.
Council bosses just finding the ways to get rich ASAP they don't have time to look into these poor people who living in these type of building. They just increasing the service charges and they getting rich, living in Essex's expensive areas
HOW were these death tramps built, a friend built a garage and the council building inspector was on site nearly every day yet large developments near by have been built and it’s now been discovered they lack insulation, fire isolation and in some case wooden cladding.Talking to some builder who are swore secrecy these relatively new flats are now potentially unsellable.
The Tories were so busy raking in political donations from property developers and property billionaires, they forgot to act on all the lessons from the Grenfell disaster in a timely fashion.
National Scandal that these fires are NOT Accidental. Grenfell on TRUMP 70th birthday,, They do love a fire. This one to do with historical events connected to PARIS and where have the controversial games been held..//
Sadly it's easier and cheaper to say sorry than fix the problems
@@Derek-w9j very ture
because no one was held accountable for Grenfell by the Tory government all those years ago, this was bound to happen again
its not the tory government. its our blame culture. slopey shoulder syndrome.
💯
Never been so many fires
Who doesn’t like living in uk
That’s my thought
It was a labour council that was on charge. Tory ans labour ate not fir fir purpose
Grenfell started with a faulty fridge.And papers being kept in kitchen.
People cooking with gas would not have helped.In the event of a fire.
My father had electric cooker and he lived on third floor .But his heating was gas.
If your every in a fire .Turn the sink and bath taps on.The water will cool it down a bit.
NO ONE STILL HAS STANDED ACCOUNTABLE FOR GRENVILLE FIRE
*Grenfell
Standed??? Try again in English
@mikewinston8709 if she wasn't speaking English how did u understand her?
@@Madmarkhor I didn’t understand them. That’s why I asked for clarification of what was written. Your English comprehension is obviously very poor too.
Tory mates don't get prosecuted
Is there anything left in this country that isn't a scandal, disaster or falling apart? its deeply depressing
@@1Strawbz1 I can think of one thing that works perfectly every time
The wage department at number 10
NOPE 😢
@Derek-w9j forgot about that.
dont exaggerate.
Diversity and multiculturalism
The Freeholder of the block of flats should be held accountable. if the fire brigade has said that there was fire risks then why wasn't there anything done about it?. Thank god the Fire brigade managed to get everyone out. The fire brigade learned from the mistakes made at grenfell, why hasn't the government or the the building owners?
Slopey Shoulder Syndrome.
Not if some crooked supplier is putting the wrong type of cladding on.
The fire was started by a faulty fridge.and papers kept in kitchen.
For many years, the Fire Brigade undertook fire inspections on buildings. This stopped in the 2000s, and the responsibility was passed onto the building owners. Enuff said really.
The Fire alarms did not wake any body It was people knocking on doors .That woke people up and got them out.The first engine arrived in 5 minutes.
40 engines were sent and 225 firemen also women.And the long ladder .
What started the fire.
At least every body got out.
The only answer is to build three story buildings.
It's to dangerous to go above the height of the long ladder.
Well done to fire service.Better than Grenfell.And why has Grenfell not been pulled down.Its been there for years.No one is going to live there any more.
They said they would remove all cladding right away that was years ago.
Something stinks.?????
Yeah. it was Boeing all along.🤣
Tory stink
Grenfell was 7 years ago and still not sorted ? UK gov in action for you
Grenfell needs to be pulled down.And only three stores built there in future.
I see a lot of flats going up in London.
Who is going to buy them.With all these fires.
To dangerous to live in a High Rise.
If you are old or young.
This country is getting worse no one does nothing when something needs doing.from knife crime.children being murdered.and flats going up in fire.
Make it a criminal crime to build without correct fire protection.
A criminal crime? as opposed to what, a legal crime?
@@superflyguy4488bloody criming criminals making us non crimes crimeyer!
@@superflyguy4488criminal grammar.
No one has been held accountable for Grenfell. The same is true for the building safety scandal and the governments handling of this has been piecemeal. The flat I live in was not built to safety standards in 2006 we await the developers to put this right. In the meantime our service chargers have increased from £2000 a year to £7000. We have had to pay for fire inspections and a 24 hour waking watch patrol. The ‘cost’ of this is falling on the people and ever increasing the financial burden and housing crisis. Paying more to live in an unsafe building doesn’t make it safer.
Ask the Tories, they were in power
Grenville?
@@2760ade sorry typo! I was in full rant mode at the time. Should have spell checked
Most of these flats have been illegally sublet out to others. There are people making 100K from these flats each year.
Yes Sub let .Do we don't know how many died .At Grenfell.
The council has checked the IDs of all it's tenants since the fire.
You'll find that it's actually employees of the Council Housing Dept who arrange the
sub - letting . Usually belonging to a
particular religious / ethnic background..
I can't wait for the Times " investigative "
journalists to cover THAT story.....???
i'm glad everyone evacuated, instead of "staying put" like some people do
Grenfell people were told to stay and people coming to help by then it was too late so sad
Yes, these people were (unlike those in Grenfell) far too clever to follow the idiotic advice of the Fire Brigade.
how meany more fires 🔥 ,thes poor people 😢
Thank God they learned from Grenfell and evacuated this tower block immediately
Wooden scaffolding on dangerous cladding, what could possibly go wrong in a fire situation 😮
Things don't just spontaneously burst into flames.
@@metalicminer6231 Please let me create logic.
It’s not just about how a fire starts though that should be avoided of course, it’s about how it can spread.
60s built flats were deliberately compartmentalised to stop any fires from spreading.
Flames out the window can only get out of control with the unfortunate-help of the modern dangerous cladding system or/and wood scaffolding all of which joins all the apartments together for the journey of the fire.
@@haydenharris3059 of course it's about how the fire starts, most things can be flammable,we used to live in wooden buildings with open fires, all fires need an ignition. I'm not sure if your logic is working?
@@metalicminer6231 Sorry I missed the word just which I’ve corrected.cheers.
@@haydenharris3059 you are missing the point, fires don't just start without ignition points, we don't use open flames anymore. So what started the fire is more important.
I'd rather be dead
Than to be homeless in England 🙋🏼♂️
if there isn't convictions over this deliberate delay in fixing issues, the landlord must be held responsible, but now the question is what will happen to the people if the illigals get better treatment over the people lost there homes it will never be forgiven
It was a big welfare state back in 2008 when i worked there, the biggest in Europe. Gentrification of east and south London in particular by the middle class over croweded the area. Nearby Newham and Barking already stripped of identity and its local community was already full and Dagenham became the next dumping ground. I did hear Canning Town had a huge fire a few months back not sure if cladding was the cause on that one.
Why has not The Health and Safety Executive not prosecuted the Landlord for not removing the Cladding?
Now’s suddenly Peoples are being made homeless
Pennies stateless displacement
Back in 1965 a reorganisation of the London area border took place.
Areas that had been part of Essex were moved to Greater London although confusingly the post office still puts Essex as part of the postal address.
Area served by
London ambulance service.
London fire brigade.
Metropolitan police.
Those entitled to the ENCTS who live in London get to use the underground, docklands light railway
Croydon trams
National rail within the zones as well as buses.
ENCTS from outside London only get the buses.
We even have sadiq Khan as mayor of London.
I believe I am qualified to mention this as I live in Barking IG11.
Supposedly in Essex.
If fire alarms cannot be heard, what use are they
8% have been fixed since Grenfell and we still don't know how many there are out there that actually need fixing.
The council is a corporation. Your council tax is paid directly to central gov. They then direct the council as to what they can spend on. The rest of the money is going to uk ltd who pay wef etc huge sums and are not for our benefit. Therefore, the central gov should be answerable to these problems. Esp as they passed the legislation to allow the cladding oversight in favour of corporate profits. The shareholders should be digging deep to be fined and found accountable for the trauma and homelessness caused. Perhaps they should be moved out of their gated developments to house these people and they could stay in their country pads for a while?
Council tax is NOT paid to central government, it is paid directly to your local authority.
Remember watching Grenfell fir on sky news, early hours in the morning, it still Shocks me today, watching it & the fireman telling the ,Now Dead, to go back into a Burning building, i was shouting at the tv, no get out. Haunting.
The 'usual suspects' been lighting fires again ?
what *have* you been up to?
Yes, the white racist pyromaniacs like you
I blame multiculturalism
Grenfell was a massive coverup by The Establishment. A refrigerator exploded, blew the windows out and that allowed the external cladding to ignite. Now what would cause a fridge to explode? Maybe if it contained explosive materials? And what was the intended purpose of thos materials?
People who can't construct a grammatically correct sentence, are suddenly HSE experts.
Polacks
Oh my goodness! Recessions made recovery of change and they are saved.
It probably takes leaving on a hob in one of these flats that causes the whole thing to light up
People need to read the UK fire regulations.
Generally apartment buildings are not required to have audible fire alarms because they are not designed to be evacuated in one go.
Council bosses just finding the ways to get rich ASAP they don't have time to look into these poor people who living in these type of building.
They just increasing the service charges and they getting rich, living in Essex's expensive areas
HOW were these death tramps built, a friend built a garage and the council building inspector was on site nearly every day yet large developments near by have been built and it’s now been discovered they lack insulation, fire isolation and in some case wooden cladding.Talking to some builder who are swore secrecy these relatively new flats are now potentially unsellable.
Corruption built these flats in London.
Death Tramps - yeah, they have poor hygiene and smell terrible. But what can you do?
Death Tramps - yeah, they have poor hygiene and smell terrible. But what can you do?
That was Patrick Goulbourne speaking not Andy Roe
Labour Party best start building those new homes prompt!
The Tories were so busy raking in political donations from property developers and property billionaires, they forgot to act on all the lessons from the Grenfell disaster in a timely fashion.
Labour did exactly the same kind of thing 18 years ago. Or weren't you born then?
It’s all starmer fault
The fire was started by a faulty fire.And papers kept in kitchen .
UK feels like a poor country... unfortunately.
Cooking Bush meat indoors is always dangerous..!
That is not Andy Roe talking
i hope there is no problem with sub letting like other fires .
The building is not old
🙏
Oh no...what again ?
What started it councils are fed up with people having fire pits crazy ...then it makes loads homeless.
I hate sequels
So sad ong so sorry scary 😨 so sad London boy but live in Manchester shocking 😲 😯 😮 😢😢😢
When eh Today ....I miss news ...cos too busy
What's considered scandal in UK is normal in Russia
Its only poor people spend the money looking for Mike Lynch's Rolex
Forget The 12 Stack Granny Toaster ffs.
some expert a year to fix it
National Scandal that these fires are NOT Accidental. Grenfell on TRUMP 70th birthday,, They do love a fire. This one to do with historical events connected to PARIS and where have the controversial games been held..//
They will have a nice hotel now its ok dont worry starmer looks after his migrants
Imagrants again 😢
where?
@@AnotherPointOfView944 everywhere. With all these illegals flooding the capital there is no money to fix anything
In the flats
Dagenham is Essex not East London
Then why is it London fire brigade and not Essex fire and rescue???
@@redstihl9027 look at the postcodes Dagenham is RM, ie Romford, not E for East London.
But there's always money for Ukraine...
Profits before lives!
I blame starmer
Notting Hill Carnival types….
White middle class then.
@@therealgodessisisPhoney Christian engineers 🤡
@@therealgodessisisWell said.