Details from Judges Sentencing Rarks 2021 '1. In 2011, as a teenager in Libya, the Defendant was trained to fight and fought (for a period of at least 8 months) as a member of the extremist Islamic militia Ansar al Sharia (which is now proscribed in this country) - doing so both during the uprising against the Gaddafi regime and after the fall of that regime. 2. When, in the autumn of 2012, the Defendant applied for asylum in this country, he lied about his role in Ansar al-Sharia, and as to the circumstances in which he came to part from them. 3. The Defendant held extremist Islamic views whilst in Ansar al-Sharia, and continued to do so, albeit with lapses (for example in relation to drink and drugs) up to and including the events on 20 June 2020 - as illustrated by his retention of militaristic images relating to his time in Ansar al-Sharia... 4. After his release from a prison sentence on 5 June 2020, the Defendant began to plan his attack and, by 15 June 2020, had identified Forbury Gardens as a potential venue for it. On 17 June 2020, he reconnoitred Forbury Gardens and confirmed it as the venue. ..13. At the Police station he admitted, on a number of occasions, that what he had done was Jihad (in the sense used by extremists) and that as a result he was going to paradise. ..In considering this issue I have applied the Guideline in relation to sentencing offenders with mental disorders. Having considered the evidence, including the evidence of the various psychiatrists who examined the Defendant on 21, 23 and 25 June 2020 and the compelling reasoning in the statements of the Prosecution psychiatrist Dr Blackwood, I am sure that the Defendant was not suffering from a mental disorder or mental disability which lowered his degree of culpability for any of the offences. Rather, although there are indicators that he had a conduct disorder in childhood, and meets the diagnostic criteria for an anti-social personality disorder and for moderately severe substance misuse disorder, it is clear that the Defendant did not, and does not, have any major mental illness. Indeed, as Dr Blackwood has rightly observed, to the extent that aspects of the Defendant’s behaviour on 18 or 19 June 2020 caused concern to others they were the product of drug consumption, had resolved by the evening of the 19th and played no part in the events of the 20th. Instead, the offences were carried out in a pre-meditated, planned and carefully executed manner, and the Defendant knew the nature and quality of his acts and that what he was doing was wrong. Equally, whilst the offences were shaped by features of the Defendant’s personality disorder, there was no substantial impairment of his ability to understand the nature of his conduct, to form a rational judgment or to exercise self-control. ..The seriousness of the murders is, however, aggravated by the fact that the Defendant has 6 previous convictions for some 16 offences - including 2 for racially or religiously aggravated harassment, 8 for offences of violence, and 2 for the possession of a knife or bladed article. '
that's so bad that he had all those previous violent/danger to public offences and the history of Islamic extremism and was still allowed to be here the asylum process should be charged by the families with being an accomplice in the murders.. aiding and abetting
@@CastleHassall I agree with the family suing/charging the goverment. I previously was majoritively positive towards asylum being given, however I'm now more considering if the country or region of, that an adult was born has a culture of not reporting or investigating certain crimes to a good standard, that it's too high a risk, unfair risk to all UK residents. Their needs to be a full criminal history and confidence in it.
'Libya now has its first democratically elected Prime Minister and government in over 40 years [*Oct 14 2012] However, a number of human rights concerns remain, and the lack of government control of security continues to present a major challenge to the protection of human rights.' 'The judiciary is functioning to a limited extent..' 'Human Rights and Democracy Report 2012 - Libya' UK Government Extract from US country report on human rights Libya 2018.. 'Divisions between political and security apparatuses in the west and east, a security vacuum in the south, and the presence of terrorist groups in some areas of the country severely inhibited the government’s ability to investigate or prosecute abuses. The government took limited steps to investigate abuses; however, constraints on the government’s reach and resources, as well as political considerations, reduced its ability or willingness to prosecute and punish those who committed such abuses.' (I acknowledge the US and UK human rights decisions are, can be very 'questionable', concerning.)
'Saadallah came to the UK in 2012 and tried and failed to get asylum seeker status, but the turmoil in Libya prevented his deportation.' 'While in jail in 2017, he was noted by the prison authorities to be spending significant time with the notorious Islamist radicaliser Omar Brooks, also known as Abu Izzadeen, a long-time member of the now outlawed group al-Muhajiroun.' 'He had been twice refused asylum but, following a judicial review in 2018, was granted leave to remain for five years.' 'The day before his release in June, two weeks before the attack, he was told in a letter that the home secretary had "decided that your deportation is conducive to the public good" but it was not legally possible given conditions in Libya.' 2020/21 Guardian/Bbc
@5NewsUk 0:49 Why didnt you include that he was released from prison early? 7-9 months into a 25 month sentence, that was atleast his second prison term. With 11 convictions from 2015-2019, two failed attempts for asylum until accepted upon appeal in 2018 (despite knowledge of his partaking in a militia at about 17yrs old, just not full honest account and a prison term in 2017) and numerous goverment applications for deportation, that were initially not enacted as Libya was judged unsafe.. which then how can we trust any criminal record/reporting of crime as per Goverments report on Libya 2012... 'had been imprisoned for 25 months in October 2019 but the sentence was reduced on appeal.' 'While in jail in 2017, he was noted by the prison authorities to be spending significant time with the notorious Islamist radicaliser Omar Brooks, also known as Abu Izzadeen, a long-time member of the now outlawed group al-Muhajiroun.' 20/21 Guardian/BBC
He should have been deported the moment he stepped foot out of prison.
He will be out in 6 month😢
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Details from Judges Sentencing Rarks 2021 '1. In 2011, as a teenager in Libya, the Defendant was trained to fight and fought (for a period of at least 8 months) as a member of the extremist Islamic militia Ansar al Sharia (which is now proscribed in this country) - doing so both during the uprising against the Gaddafi regime and after the fall of that regime.
2. When, in the autumn of 2012, the Defendant applied for asylum in this country, he lied about his role in Ansar al-Sharia, and as to the circumstances in which he came to part from them.
3. The Defendant held extremist Islamic views whilst in Ansar al-Sharia, and continued to do so, albeit with lapses (for example in relation to drink and drugs) up to and including the events on 20 June 2020 - as illustrated by his retention of militaristic images relating to his time in Ansar al-Sharia...
4. After his release from a prison sentence on 5 June 2020, the Defendant began to plan his attack and, by 15 June 2020, had identified Forbury Gardens as a potential venue for it. On 17 June 2020, he reconnoitred Forbury Gardens and confirmed it as the venue.
..13. At the Police station he admitted, on a number of occasions, that what he had done was Jihad (in the sense used by extremists) and that as a result he was going to paradise.
..In considering this issue I have applied the Guideline in relation to sentencing offenders with mental disorders.
Having considered the evidence, including the evidence of the various psychiatrists who examined the Defendant on 21, 23 and 25 June 2020 and the compelling reasoning in the
statements of the Prosecution psychiatrist Dr Blackwood, I am sure that the Defendant was
not suffering from a mental disorder or mental disability which lowered his degree of
culpability for any of the offences. Rather, although there are indicators that he had a conduct disorder in childhood, and meets the diagnostic criteria for an anti-social personality
disorder and for moderately severe substance misuse disorder, it is clear that the Defendant did not, and does not, have any major mental illness. Indeed, as Dr Blackwood has rightly
observed, to the extent that aspects of the Defendant’s behaviour on 18 or 19 June 2020 caused concern to others they were the product of drug consumption, had resolved by the
evening of the 19th and played no part in the events of the 20th. Instead, the offences were carried out in a pre-meditated, planned and carefully executed manner, and the Defendant
knew the nature and quality of his acts and that what he was doing was wrong. Equally, whilst the offences were shaped by features of the Defendant’s personality disorder, there was no substantial impairment of his ability to understand the nature of his conduct, to form a rational judgment or to exercise self-control.
..The seriousness of the murders is, however, aggravated by the fact that the Defendant has 6 previous convictions for some 16 offences - including 2 for racially or religiously aggravated harassment, 8 for offences of violence, and 2 for the possession of a knife or bladed article. '
that's so bad that he had all those previous violent/danger to public offences and the history of Islamic extremism and was still allowed to be here
the asylum process should be charged by the families with being an accomplice in the murders.. aiding and abetting
@@CastleHassall I agree with the family suing/charging the goverment. I previously was majoritively positive towards asylum being given, however I'm now more considering if the country or region of, that an adult was born has a culture of not reporting or investigating certain crimes to a good standard, that it's too high a risk, unfair risk to all UK residents. Their needs to be a full criminal history and confidence in it.
'Libya now has its first democratically elected Prime Minister and government in over 40 years [*Oct 14 2012] However, a number of human rights concerns remain, and the lack of government control of security continues to present a major challenge to the protection of human rights.'
'The judiciary is functioning to a limited extent..'
'Human Rights and Democracy Report 2012 - Libya' UK Government
Extract from US country report on human rights Libya 2018.. 'Divisions between political and security apparatuses in the west and east, a security vacuum in the south, and the presence of terrorist groups in some areas of the country severely inhibited the government’s ability to investigate or prosecute abuses. The government took limited steps to investigate abuses; however, constraints on the government’s reach and resources, as well as political considerations, reduced its ability or willingness to prosecute and punish those who committed such abuses.'
(I acknowledge the US and UK human rights decisions are, can be very 'questionable', concerning.)
'Saadallah came to the UK in 2012 and tried and failed to get asylum seeker status, but the turmoil in Libya prevented his deportation.'
'While in jail in 2017, he was noted by the prison authorities to be spending significant time with the notorious Islamist radicaliser Omar Brooks, also known as Abu Izzadeen, a long-time member of the now outlawed group al-Muhajiroun.'
'He had been twice refused asylum but, following a judicial review in 2018, was granted leave to remain for five years.'
'The day before his release in June, two weeks before the attack, he was told in a letter that the home secretary had "decided that your deportation is conducive to the public good" but it was not legally possible given conditions in Libya.'
2020/21 Guardian/Bbc
keep ours borders locked. im sorry but i know not all are the same but when i was in school my teacher used to tell because of one all will pay!!
@5NewsUk 0:49 Why didnt you include that he was released from prison early? 7-9 months into a 25 month sentence, that was atleast his second prison term.
With 11 convictions from 2015-2019, two failed attempts for asylum until accepted upon appeal in 2018 (despite knowledge of his partaking in a militia at about 17yrs old, just not full honest account and a prison term in 2017) and numerous goverment applications for deportation, that were initially not enacted as Libya was judged unsafe.. which then how can we trust any criminal record/reporting of crime as per Goverments report on Libya 2012...
'had been imprisoned for 25 months in October 2019 but the sentence was reduced on appeal.'
'While in jail in 2017, he was noted by the prison authorities to be spending significant time with the notorious Islamist radicaliser Omar Brooks, also known as Abu Izzadeen, a long-time member of the now outlawed group al-Muhajiroun.'
20/21 Guardian/BBC