I’d be interested in seeing a comparison of filter-focused burr grinders. There are a lot of such comparisons for espresso, but not filter. And this is an underserved category without many grinders - it’s the Ode, the Wilfa Uniform, and a couple Eureka models.
Just a heads up for anyone who does the step-less mod, I ran into an issue where the pin that holds the rotational burr kept popping out, allowing that burr to become free floating once the grinder was turned on. I was able to fix this by making sure the calibration knob was tightened enough to hold pressure on the pin and then double checked it afterwards before grinding.
Your videos have helped demystify and made coffee much more accessible for the average person like myself wanting to explore its artisanal side. They’re entertaining and informative. Stay golden. Subbed.
Thanks for this very detailed rundown, Lance. I just ordered a white Ode w/ SSP. Like you, I love those clear, crisp, tea-like brews. I like sweet, round cups, too, but I love that I can order the SSP burrs pre-installed from Fellow. Which is what I just did. Almost went with the Lagom Mini, but there's quite a delay in getting those, and also the shipping was annoyingly expensive. The Ode+SSP is still more money, of course, but if it's the best reasonably-priced filter grinder available (I don't do espresso at home) as you say, I don't mind spending a little more for that perfectly transparent cup. Thanks again!
I just got my Ode shipped from Fellow a week ago and replaced the burrs tonight with the SSP MP burrs. No issues at all with the fit being overly tight. Plenty of room for the stationary burr, and the rotary burr had just enough room between it and the sweepers to see just a tiny little bit of light. Thanks for showing us how to take this apart and calibrating it, it helped me out tremendously.
I have the Ode + SSP combo and never looked back. Had the original burrs for 6 months. I got the SSP as I wanted to go to lighter beans. Now I have a full range of options. I’m happy. Keep the vids coming.
simply take off the face with the deep screws as shown in the video. Take out carriers. Unscrew and replace. Just make sure to CLEAN before putting burrs on. And make sure they are EVEN when putting them in so they dont get stuck
@@LanceHedrick Do you recommend doing a market alignment? I ask because you noted their being a tight tolerance with the Ode. Thank you for your videos btw. You and James Hoffmann are by far the most detailed, helpful and informative.
I have watched many reviews of this grinder out of mere interest, and I just wanted to say that I found yours the most well-informed and captivating. If I was in the market for a new filter grinder, you would have convinced me to really, really take this one into consideration. I will certainly point to this video if anyone I know is looking for a good filter grinder. I myself will have to wait only my trusty Baratza Virtuoso+ bites the dust or until I can just materialize things by pure will, whichever comes first. :)
In fact I've been contemplating an upgrade myself! It's just hard to take the leap of faith that a new grinder will be worth the upgrade. Might do the Vario though because of such good experience with Baratza over 13 years. They even sent me a free motor out of warranty when mine died, just out of respect for me trying to repair it.
Lance, I thoroughly appreciate that you have not chosen to use any affiliate links. I love your content and even more for that fact. One very helpful part of this video was that you didn't just talk about the mods that could be done to the Ode, but you actually showed us. Top man, thank you.
Hey Lance, thanks for always taking the time to respond to all these commments and questions. big fan you and also onyx. question for ya. how would you compare and contrast the ODE with one of these upgraded burrs VS. Lagom Mini 48mm obsidian?
Lance! Thank you for sure. You got me excited for my Ode again. Two major disappointments with it- not being step-less and lack of grinding range for pour overs- you’ve solved both issues! Hope to get a new burr set too.
Lance, I'd be very curious to hear your thoughts on which grinders would be next in "diminishing returns"? I was thinking of the P-64 but that has the same burr options as the the Ode so would just be a design choice.
FYI if you’re trying to buy the Ode with SSP, Fellow support told me they have currently paused selling SSP burrs on their site as they have had too many folks not be able to fit the burrs in the ode (not clearly explained on the site). I bought the burrs separately and they didn’t fit the grinder I bought.
Update, ordered another Ode and that also didn’t fit SSP burr. My guess is the whole batch of recently manufactured Odes are not compatible, and that would explain why they’ve taken SSP burrs off their website. So until Fellow starts selling SSP burrs again, I would not buy an Ode and try to fit SSP burrs bought elsewhere with it.
thank you! ... have you had to align your burrs with the aluminum foil method you showed us? i have a feeling i hear an off chirp that might indicate misalignment, and that happens both with stock and SSP burrs, and after very carefully cleaning and putting in the SSP burrs. on another note, a trick i've found to keep the beans going (because they do INDEED annoyingly stick to the hopper sides) is to intermittently use the knocker while grinding : this usually knocks them off the sides and keeps them going down into the burrs. not necessarily much quieter lol, but a trick nonetheless. for retention, i find that if i give it a rest after grinding, while my water finished boiling or rinsing my paper, and then i knock again, and/or pop the grind catcher out and back in, the remaining grounds fall in nicely and i have like ZERO retention. anyway, a few thoughts, and i'd love to hear what you think about aligning this grinder, because that is my next daunting project. thanks Lance, you da man!
@@GreenFlamingo thanks for the heads up. did you find it made a rubbing noise at the end of the grind before doing the alignment? and do you find it's changed since the alignment? cheers!
@@LanceHedrick thanks! ... i will do that then! ... i still don't understand though (you quickly mentioned this as well in your alignment video) why you would have to align -- or how you would decide -- the rotary and/or the stationary burr? once your marker-erase test comes out clean, how and why would i play with the other burr? thanks!! :)
Thanks for this video. It really helped me out. I had been looking at the Gorilla Gear burrs, but was unable to find any info on the difference in flavor between them and the SSP unimodal. I just recently added electric grinders to my gear (I have been using a Comandante and 1zpresso K-Plus) because I wanted a flat burr for a little change of pace. I had already ordered an Ode and a set of SSP unimodals. After watching your review I ended up ordering a second Ode (different color) and the Gorilla Gear burrs. I roast my own coffee and have a wide variety of beans that I roast. This now allows me to fine tune the grinder to the flavor profile of the bean, and at a relatively low price. Reading some of the comments, I also grind 32 grams every morning. I fill a 16 oz mug with coffee and a little milk every morning, and that is my coffee for the day.
Great video. Really helpful. Glad to learn even more about the grinder I’ve had since it launched. Loving my aligned and seasoned SSPs, and now excited to learn how to make it stepless or even improve the clickiness of the adjustment dial. Options!
Hey Lance, your channel is amazing! I order truck loads of Onyx coffee and my mom's favorite are Southern Weather, Monarch and Geometry. I have a Fellow Ode + SSP and a Ratio 6 coffeemaker. I still can't find the sweet spot I was looking for. My mom had foot surgery and was out of commission for a couple months, so Onyx coffee is what she looked forward to each morning. At the time, I had the Cuisinart Pour over coffeemaker and a Baratza Virtuoso+. I remember the first time I gave her a cup of Southern Weather, I swear she called out every single flavor note that was on the packaging. I've been chasing that cup of coffee that was balanced, silky, oily, good body and had distinct flavor notes. The complexity was incredible. I thought with the Fellow Ode + SSP burrs and Ratio 6, it was going to be a breeze to have all that, but I'm not getting the distinct flavor notes I was with lesser equipment. Would I be better off with the Gorilla Gear burrs? Could it be an alignment issue. I'll get there! Keep up the great work. I saw you were just in London with the Hoff. Safe travels!
Great video. For someone with a Comandante that does mainly light roast single serve pour overs, what's the next meaningful step up of grinder/burrs for a similar flavor profile? Alternatively, what grinder/burrs would offer a complementary profile?
@@MrMarki134 Sorry for the delay. Thanks for your suggestions. I looked more into it and am trying to decide between the Baratza Vario/Forte with steel Ditting burrs and the SSP Unimodal V1, V2 and Gorilla Gear Black burrs.
@@bpcarb I just ordered silver knight cast sweet burrs directly from SSP which they say are the best burrs for pour over. I've had trouble with the first set but they're making some more for me that hopefully fit.
@@rjejames28 Cool, I hope those work out for you. I'm curious how the 64mm silver knight cast sweet burrs compare to the Unimodal V1 and Unimodal V2 on the body vs clarity spectrum, for light roast single dose pour over brews. I understand the V1 have more clarity, less body than the V2. Although the V1 are more brewing focused, I'm more inclined to favor the V2 over the V1 since the V2 seems to be more versatile and forgiving, and I'm not looking for ultra transparency at the expense of texture. I wonder if Option-O will eventually offer the P64 with the SSP cast burrs.
@@bpcarb I know they make some for the 64, so far SSP has been amazing to deal with. Im sure if you wanted to go that route they would make you some. Also after they are making this custom set for me, I wonder if you will see them more mainstream for the Ode. Once they have done the legwork I'm sure they will try to sell a bunch of them.
Wow. I’m so happy you made this video. 1) RDT- yes. You are so right. 2) hopper lid- are you familiar with the 3rd parties on Etsy that make a mod/3D printed single dose hopper WITH integrated bellows?!?! 3) small feed- Pacamara beans choke. Had to use my Baratza Virtuoso to grind those 4)I got really frustrated with the stock burrs AND waiting for the V2 burrs to be shipped to KS backers. They originally said by last summer. And the latest news was that they still haven’t gotten them right yet, so more delays. So, I caved and bought the SSP burrs. 5)I’m so happy to hear about the stepless mod and the tip on the Teflon tape. 6)are there any good videos out there on how to do the SSP burr upgrade. I don’t want to screw it up and damage my grinder/burrs. Thanks as always for your vids!
I watched the regular burr replacement video on fellows website, but using the SSP burrs instead. Also paired that with Lances burr alignment video. I wasn’t able to go find a perfect video for replacement and found the auger key slightly confusing at first glance.
@@ANTTT222 No. The one Etsy merchant I found is currently out of stock. But, he said lead time is only a couple weeks, so I’m hoping to order then. Will get one for my Ode, Virtuoso, and Sette 270.
I’ve watched your video on the Baratza Vario as well. I’m curious if a modified version of the Vario with steel burrs(not ceramic) and bellows is at all comparable to the modified Ode. Price point with burrs included, they aren’t too far off, right? Interested in your initial thoughts!
Hey Josiah! Of course the vario beats the ode overall just because it can do espresso. And it does espresso very well. But when you pit them against each other for filter, the ode has no equal in this price.
You also need to consider that the vario has much smaller burrs and I don't know if it has the variety of burrs available to it at its size versus a 64mm burrset like the ode.
I just use what I’ve coined “the flappy method” on my Ode and I get almost no retention. After grinding I hold the lid firmly at one end then flap it up and down a few times as if it’s on a hinge and I’m slamming it shut. The air pressure from this acts like a poor man’s bellows and sends most of the coffee through. Then I give the tapper a few flicks for good measure. I usually got almost exactly the same amount of coffee out as I put in.
Hello, is it suitable for brewing filtered coffee in 1 liter of water 10 times in 1 day, 60 gr of coffee? Will I have problems? I own a boutique mini coffee shop. Thank you
The gorilla gear burrs look like high uniformity burrs vs the SSP unimodal burrs that fellows sells. That might be difference that you are tasting? The SSP high uniformity burrs may perform the same as the gorilla gears.
Just got my SSP MP burrs yesterday with the Ode, made my first cup with it with some bottom of the barrel beans (2 weeks old specialty grade nonetheless), which was all I had at the time. I was expecting something really average, cause the last cup from an opened bag of bean usually is, but I've made the best cup of pourover coffee I've tasted in my life....not exaggerating, it was juicy, fruity, great balance....the clarity was nothing I've ever experienced in a cup of coffee. Thanks for the review Lance, you and Brian Quan had a big influence on me regarding upgrading this grinder, which turns out to be a great decision.
I’m so happy I took your recommendation a few months ago and upgraded from my Vario. It’s been an absolute pleasure to use (with some of the caveats you mentioned)
@@DS52116 at the risk of damaging your bank account 🤣🤣🤣 I have to admit it’s been a substantially improved cup of coffee. That being said, my one gripe is the ODE is substantially messier.
@@DS52116 I think either route would be solid, but I think the ODE with SSP for brew and Niche for Espresso is a really great setup. I know the motor is isn’t rated for it, but pulling a handful of espresso shots with the ODE probably won’t have a huge impact IMO if you want to compare the flat burrs vs the conical in the Niche. Cheers!
@@andreamudiraj9088 working out well! Only within the past couple of weeks I’ve been really able to do a lot of comparisons. What Lance said is correct - SSP can’t be touched in terms of flavor clarity, but the gorilla gears texture and mouth feel is incredible, even with a kalita. Gonna see how it does with aeropress next!
I so wanted to pull the trigger on the Ode during the Black Friday sales this year, but many of the cons discussed kept me from taking the plunge. Instead I went in a different direction and picked up the 1ZPresso JX for over half the price. Sure it's a hand grinder which has other limitations, but for an incredibly consistent grind that does drip fantastically and is espresso capable, it just felt like the better buy. Don't sleep on the hand grinders that are out there!
Oh I don't sleep on them. I am working on a big hand grinder video. But, I'd be lying if I said they could compete with the filter I've been making with ode and ssp (personal preference, of course). Clarity can't be beat.
@@LanceHedrick I can completely understand and can't argue with that! Now for complete transparency a lot of my decision making was with price in mind and I just couldn't justify a $300+ purchase right now. I'm pumped to see your hand grinder review, especially with the depth of detail you provide. Thank you for doing what you do, Lance!
@@LanceHedrick I am looking forward to that Video and appreciate the option you just shared on Ode + SSP vs all hand grinders (C40, Kinu, 1ZPresso, etc.). I am not sure if I share the same personal preference as you on clarity versus sweetness and body. I think I like mellower chocolate flavors, but I truly value your insights that you’re sharing in these comments and video. It’s helping me big time to make an informed purchasing decision.
@@JeffsP13 ha! I did the exact same thing as you Jeff :) I also bought the 1ZPresso JX in November for filter coffee instead of the Ode Black Friday deal because the V1.1 burr complaints. And like you, I’m not 100% satisfied with the JX. I think I’ll hold out until Fellow V2 burrs are released… whenever that is.
For sure! While my preference lays with clarity, I can absolutely enjoy sweetness and big bodies. So hopefully my review, though I will obviously say I prefer one over the other, will give you good insight into what they offer.
Awesome review as always, sir Lance! Would also love to see budget hand grinders review. And maybe a budget portable espresso maker showdown like Cafflano Kompresso, Staresso and some Wacaco products as these are what people starting out with espresso with a tight budget would probably be looking for.
Hello. What would you think about an advanced Moka pot video? You can control the temperature by putting in boiling, 200, 180, 160 degree water in, but you’d need a temperature probe inside. Also if you want stronger or weaker coffee is it best to put more or less coffee in the basket, or to put less water in the chamber or to dilute afterwards. How do areopresss filters change things below and above the ground coffee? Sprometheus recommends a bloom which is very interesting. What heat is best. Not all stoves have the same btu so it would be a little complicated to test that but maybe something like changing the heat to make coffee come out in 4 minutes or three minutes or two. They are also super accessible to everyone which is great. And what coffees make the best moka pots. I really like your videos keep up the good work
No hand grinder uses flat burrs. Flat burrs have tons of clarity. Top clarity hand grinders are supposed to be Comandante and K series from 1zpresso, but i dont think they are as good as SSP burrs.
Interesting video. I've had my Ode for just over two yerars now and I really like it. I did upgrade to the V2 burrs recently, and I hope that the new hopper design that they're working on will be able to be retrofitted to the version 1 of the Ode. Btw, the way that the motor maintains constant rpm isn't due ot any "proprietary voodoo magic". It's a PID motor contoller that allows the motor to vary it's torque output so that the grinder speed remains within parameters set by the designer. Very common in DC motor design.
Great video. I hope you will do a follow up video when Fellow releases the v2 burrs. This was my first time hearing about the Gorilla Gear Burrs....but I want to see what the v2 burrs from Fellow offer before I look at the aftermarket offerings.
This is by far, the best review of the Ode Grinder and a different Burr set, period. This is the only review that's covered THE INSANELY ANNOYING problem of the beans getting stuck after spritzed (lol drives me crazy) and the stupidity of the lid design. I love that you pointed out the motor as a strength, as I'm fairly certain that's a first (everyone only talks about how it can't handle espresso so you should buy a Niche :flat:). Also, I couldn't agree more, the SSP Burrs on this thing are just amazing and the coffee produced on it is just killer. WOULD love another video on using the SSP Burrs with different coffees, calibrating and playing, etc........Using all of my willpower not buy the Gorilla Gears :sob:
How does the Ode with stock burrs compare with the Baratza Virtuoso+? 300 USD is about as much as I want to spend on a pour-over only (or mostly) grinder. I'm currently using a 1Zpresso JX Pro and a sieve to reduce the amount of fines. Works well enough, but the workflow is not great.
@@LanceHedrick Would you then say the Ode w/V2 is good/PERFECT for filter and espresso? In your IG live stream a day or so ago I believe you said some grinder - and I can't remember if it was Mod'd Vario or Ode V2 or something else - would be THE BEST "budget" grinder for both espresso and filter. I have a DF64 (steel) coming in 3 days but if the Ode V2 will outperform for espresso and filter (I care about espresso more - always light to med roast) I might sell it and get the Ode. Honestly I don't might paying up to $1K for an exquisite espresso grinder but I would love it to be able to also do great filter... the Zerno catches my eye but it doesn't exist yet, so...
Update to the situation I got my newly redesigned 64.1 mm burrs from SSP instead of 64.2 mm. The brand new silver night sweet cast burrs fit in the ode now. I just seasoned them with a couple pounds of dark roast and should be ready for tomorrow's chemex. I wanted to give a big thank you to SSP and fellow ode for standing behind their products and giving great customer service.
@@LanceHedrick yep in silver knight coated cast sweet burrs, I guess they machined the back of the burr as well so it aligns better also. Hansung said they just completed them a few days ago. I got a pretty nice morning chemex with them, I'm looking forward to when they are fully seasoned
I have been doing 19G single cup brews with the stock burrs for months and they have been great. The problem is just that you’re in a box. You never know what kind of cup you might be getting if you were just a bit finer. But really the brews are fantastic. You don’t need to be doing big batches.
I started my coffee journeys 21 years ago with the Jura Subito (or Capresso Ultima) and a modest Heartware flat burr grinder. 10 years ago it faded out (was working so hard I didn't have the 10 minutes free to make my perfect Latte, so it was all or nothing, and nothing - won). I was dialing espresso before RUclips existed (grinder, puck pressure, brew time, different beans like: Kenya, Brazil, Columbia, Ethiopia, Guatemala.... and the amazing Jamaica Blue Mountain), and now after so many years with Jacobs Instant Coffee (remember... all or nothing) I happen to have found this channel and other leading coffe lovers channels.... I want to go back... I want to dial-in back my coffee. And I decided to try to revive my 2nd Jura Subito (stored at my work place, which I have not visited for more than 2 years). Stay tuned... I will report my progress.
I did it..... I fixed my 20 years old flat burr grinder and performed a Bypass Surgery on my nostalgic Jura Subito unique espresso machine (model 2000-2005 which was also known by the alias Capresso Ultima, and Delonghi Something...), knowing that if it doesn't work my only option is to get the Breville Barista Pro (maybe that drove me harder to get the task done). Not saying (yet) that the Jura Subito is superior to the Barista Pro, but I am sure gonna try to prove that. No doubt the Jura Subito is an underdog (with somewhat damaged arteries), but it sure has some nice features up his sleeve to try to level the score against the mighty Barista. Worked 8 hours on the grinder and the heart-damaged espresso machine, weighed 19 grams of whatever Lavazza beans I could find, grinded them coarser (first shot), leveled the puck, tamped it.... and BOOM... crazy ass crema espresso was showing (after almost 10 years of not using my equipment). I was so hypnotized by the crema I lost my count and the shot became over-extracted and bitter. Also found out I used the pressurized option of the machine since this machine has a cylinder + piston instead of a standard porta filter, but its a different story to be told in a different lance-comment-blog :)
Maybe another (longer lasting) solution to the grind setting drifting off is replacing the spring loaded pin by a piece of rubber/glue stick/anything that provides some resistance and fits in the hole. I you keep the end blunt, it won't fall into the indents in the knob and just provide some resistance
Idk what fellows plans are for a v2 burr, but all they'd have to do is mill a little off of the teeth depth to create a small crush section and a shallower outfall and it would enable a bit finer grind potential without creating a ton more fines overall.
Lance you just seem to know what kind of videos coffee geeks want. I wonder how it compares to the new Vario. ps.: Thanks for another great video and happy holidays!
I just got the Ode and am very perplexed that, on course settings (6 and even 7), I am getting drawdown times of 6-7 minutes using the 4:6 method. Strangely, going from 6 to 7 actually seemed to INCREASE the drawdown from about 6:45 (setting 6) to 7:00 (at setting 7). The burrs are not yet seasoned (having only put about 9 x 33g doses of coffee through it). Can anyone explain why I'm getting slower drawdowns at a higher setting of 7 and more fines?
I recently purchased and received the Ode Gen 2. My biggest complaint is that even with the redesigned hopper (I didn't have the originalversion), and even without using the water spray method (which isn't necessary because it has a nice antistatic ionizer in the output chute), the beans still got stuck sometimes, but even when there were beans grinding, the motor would shut off more than half the time, leaving maybe a half a tablespoon of beans, and I would have start the motor again. I didn't realize this was happening at first. Because this is promoted as a single dose coffee grinder, the auto-shut-off for single a dose not working is a dealbreaker for me, and I returned it. I did like how quiet it was and how quickly it ground beans, however.
Hi. Thanks for your info. I’m close to buying the Ode Gen 2, but your issue concerns me. What did you end up getting and are you happy with it! I obviously only brew filter, pourover and occasionally french press. Thx!!!
@@frankmilano I'm not sure everyone had the same problem, but it seems sensitive to the oil in the beans, or maybe there's a variation in the sensing mechanism. I think some people reported it kept going longer than it should, the opposite of my problem. I can't really judge accurately how the coffee came out because I believe my coffee maker was malfunctioning and I didn't realize it at first and/or I had a off batch of beans, but my impression was it produces a narrower flavor profile than what I had been using, and I've heard comments to that effect from others, that they weren't getting the full flavor profile. Of course, that's what the trend is, isolation of certain flavor elements that they call clarity, with a uniform grind, etc. But I prefer a fuller flavor profile. You may not believe it, but after also trying to the $200 OXO Conical Burr Grinder, with which I couldn't get the coffee to taste quite right, and a $200 1Zpresso ZP6 Special hand grinder from Taiwan, which always seemed to make the coffee taste like burnt rubber, I went back to what I'd been using for a good number of years, the inexpensive ($60) Cusinart Supreme Grind Automatic Burr Mill DBM-8, with the inexpensive ceramic block burrs. Yes, it's noisy, and the plastic bin creates static, so it takes a little time to brush the grinds out, but it's the only coffee maker I've tried among the ones I mentioned (and a couple of much older blade grinders) that brings out the full flavor of the coffee. Coffee connoisseurs turn up the noses at the Cuisinart, saying it produces too many fines or the grinds are uneven, but I believe that's what gives it the broad spectrum of flavor (even James Hoffmann said it was the best of the inexpensive grinders he did a review of, so if you discount snob bias, that means it's probably equivalent to a $600 machine--I am kidding...on the square). It may or may not be okay for espresso, but for automatic drip or pour over I believe it is excellent. If you look at the reviews on Amazon most of them give it high praise, and there are so many of them for so long, you can tell they are not phony reviews. Two or three years ago they came out with the a P1 designation at the end of DBM-8, as, DBM-8P1. Every time you talk to a Cuisinart rep they have different information, but I felt that the motor was different--it started slower and was not as noisy but, but the model left more beans in the hopper than the earlier version, unless it was an anomaly. I just put in the amount of beans I want to use and put the slider all the way up to the end of the time limit and run it until the beans are all ground. With the updated version, it took longer and still left some beans there, maybe a half dozen or so. I told the rep I thought the motor was different, although at first they denied it but then later said the motor was different, unless I had the same rep and she was just repeating what I told her a couple months before; then another rep, on a Sunday, said nothing was different, even after I asked him to ask his supervisor, confirmed that nothing was different, that its' just a designation change that happens after a certain number years. I don't believe that, as I found a difference in their coffee maker also after a P1 update, namely that the beep was not as loud, so I can't hear it if I leave the room (I am now using a Technivorm Moccamaster KBGV Select with a third party sprayhead insert that sits on the filter basket, and leaving the carafe out for 40 seconds to let the water build up, on the half carafe setting). My previous Cuisinart non-P1 DBM-8 coffee grinder is still working, but just to future proof it, I found on eBay two new units of the same model, before the update, for about the same price as the updated one, so I bought them. This may be a longer reply than you expected, but I hope it helps. PS The problem I have with the updated version of the Cuisinart DBM-8 may not affect all of them, and it may not affect the actual grind, so as they are only $60 you know where, it might be worth trying if you don't want to take time to find a new non-P1 updated unit on eBay.
Your videos always turn my friday lunch breaks so much better! How do you compare this with the Akira Koki? Thanks a lot for your time making these videos!
Haha! That makes me stoked to hear. So, this grinder is much better for filter. That's mostly because it has that ability to maintain constant RPM that the other does not have. In addition, it has more surface area on the Burr since it is a 64 mm grinder
nice tattoo edit: liked and subscribed!! VOODOO: the rpm control is very common and actually quite simple. and only costs cents, btw. it's the little circuit board at the back side which has a sensor that reads the motor-speed and sends to the motor-controller. (which then actively ramps up (or down) to keep the rpm at 1400) ...the sound you hear at 11:26
Just bought a gen 1 from fellows refurbished program completely out of impulse. I've been enjoying it with my Chemex, but I just bought a new v60 set and would like to know if I'm safe with just buying some gen 2 burrs for mine or if I should also look into investing in a much more expensive grinder to have a proficient experience.
I personally prefer this to the comandante. The flatburr profile with these extremely low fines burrs just creates a cup that cannot be replicated until you begin to spend a few $1000
I would pick it. Stepless from factory. No fuss. Cheaper overall if you count SSP + Ode. Likely worse for filter but not bad either. Does espresso. Nice design and created to run for 5+ years at the least. Mods are cool but you gotta put you hands in them and small issues may arise eventually and you will not be covered by warranty. I would get the Ode if i happened to get my hands in a used one for very cheap as a filter only grinder. If you can only afford 1 grinder then a multi purpose one like Urbanic or Lagom sounds better.
Nice review. This grinder has been great and I have had none of the anecdotal issues people have mentioned (like stuck burrs). At $300 it is practically disposable as compared with the price of good espresso grinders. A few quick points and counterpoints: 1) The hopper lid is fine as is. It is minimalist. Its job is just to cover the hopper opening between single-dosing grind sessions, without disturbing the esthetic, and therefore doesn't need any complications. 2) The grounds catch lid - now THAT lid needs a redesign. It is sort of squishy and hard to seat onto the metal container, and yet, still necessary to use due to reduce chaff/mess. 3) The stepless mod is cool to know about, but imho unnecessary on this grinder. This is my set-and-forget grinder for brew only, so I don't have to get my espresso grinders out of adjustment. I leave it on 8 (or a few clicks lower) for almost all coffees and there's never a situation where I need (or could even detect) a half-click difference in the cup. 4) Bellows are another unnecessary complication and would disturb the clean look. The grinder is low enough retention, especially as compared with a relatively large dose (like 32g for 500mL) that a trace of stale grounds won't affect the cup. 5) Agree on SSP. I started out with HU (high-uniformity) and recently swapped out for the Unimodal (like in this video) and they are fantastic. I have had no issues at all swapping between the stock or either SSP burr set. Even though they significantly increase the total cost of the grinder, the SSP burrs will likely also outlast the grinder so you can move them to the next one.
I appreciate the comment. Hard disagree on your approach to brewing and saying you set and forget. Perhaps you're an espresso guy first, but I tend to change my grind setting frequently. As for the hopper lid, it's odd you felt the need to counter my dislike of it. Won't elaborate further Herr. I didn't bring up the catch lid because it is necessary. I don't have as much issues as others replacing it. Re: bellows, you must have a special ode. I get more than .2g retention each time, on every unit I have used. Bellows are great.
Anyway, just thought some of your counter points were odd to argue since some were steeped in deep subjectivity Also seems we have just insanely different palates. I'd never brew a 32g brew and I'd never say that grind size nuance isn't important for filter. In any event, thanks for the engagement. Appreciate it!
Of course, reviews are opinions, which are inherently subjective. I enjoyed your expert opinion on the grinder and was providing my (different in some cases) perspective on some of those same features. Generally, when people are looking at a product they often read multiple reviews and different perspectives before they buy. To clarify, around 32 grams in for 500 mL (500g) of V60 and that's the main prep method I use this for, which is one reason I rarely need to adjust it much. (My Moccamaster recipe uses a similar ratio and grind setting.) Another benefit is my wife can also use this and she doesn't have to play around with the settings; she'll get decent results as long as she knows how much water and coffee to use.
very nice! Yes. That makes sense. thanks for clarifying! I appreciate the engagement. Hope to see you in future comment sections! i can always use some pushback haha!
@@LanceHedrick thank you for responding! Yes that would be great. I use my Ode with the slightly updated burrs for filter brews only. I am interested in the flavor profiles and differences of each of the burr sets. Thanks again.
@@LanceHedrick How exciting! SSP are making new 64mm burrs modelled on the Lab Sweet 80mm cast burrs. It would interesting to see if these new burrs share the same flavour profile with the Gorilla 64mm in terms of sweetness & body.
It’s great with SSP multipurpose for filter. I use it over my Niche for that. It grinds espresso; sure. It’s a pain to dial in, though. I need to convert to stepless when I get home from the holidays.
yeah dialing in espresso, in general, with flat burrs is tedious becuase they produce a lot less fines. more fines usually means more forgiving. Niche makes a lot in comparison
Better motor, for sure, but you are stuck with those 50mm burrs. There are no replacements I have found. With the ode, as long as you are doing predominantly filter coffee, you have unlimited styles of burrs, really.
@@LanceHedrick thanks for the reply. Have you heard of fellow selling or replacing the motor out of warranty? That’s been my biggest concern with the ode. Not sure if it’s justified, but grinding finer with different burrs might cause premature failure on the motor. And doesn’t seem like an easy fix if they do sell a motor separately.
How would you say the Option-O Lagom Mini 48mm compares to the Ode? Considering they're both mainly for filter but capable of some espresso. I'm torn between which to get, please help!
How does this compare to the Urbanic 070s? I am looking for a new grinder around 300 dollars and am torn... I am using it for pour overs only right now, but may want the ability to use it for espresso. If that's not possible, would the Ode be the best at this price range for filter coffee?
I think that would be a smart decision. The V-2 burrs I believe will be really good. And it always leaves you the option to upgrade to another set of burrs if you're unhappy
Awesome video! I definitely love my Ode with the SSP brew burrs. I like your description of how it’s the best brew grinder you can get before hitting diminishing returns. Do you have a grinder for espresso that you can say a similar thing? Is there a grinder you think that can do both espresso and brew well at this level or is getting separate grinders for each the way to go?
@@LanceHedrick Haha. I hear ya! I have high hopes for the Lagom Mini and am looking forward to hearing your thoughts on that. I was originally thinking about getting a Lagom P64 in hopes of having one grinder for both espresso (on a Flair Pro 2 and likely eventually a 58) and pourover brews. If the Mini performs decently I’m more than happy to have a Mini and Ode at a fraction of the cost of the P64. I’m thinking the black Mini and Ode will look really nice next to each other.
Lance, How are you handling the SSP worry of blowing the motor? As well as what do you think of backing the dial farther back to keep it from getting too fine ie espresso fine so it doesnt put the motor?
Hopefully the V2 burrs will be a big improvement over the original burrs. It's a bit frustrating that Fellow released a grinder that so many of us feel the need to buy SSP burrs.
I'm just hoping that Fellow can do something similar for espresso. If they could get a thoughtfully designed (and good looking) espresso grinder at $300-500, that would get my business/move the industry to less pricey. Seems like you have to get a Niche to get decent espresso.
@@Kiaulen I think Lance’s recent video on grinders is a good place to start and I have gotten surprisingly good performance out of my Sette for espresso. I’d probably buy a niche if I were in your situation though.
I 100 percent advise you look into the Vario if needing espresso. cheaper than the niche and, imo, btter. I am hoping fellow eventually releases a 250 watt version
Hey Lance! I was hoping you could help here. I purchased the Ode with the standard burrs it's just not cutting it for me. The profile i'm getting out my beans (I brew light roasts) is just too clean and without character. I haven’t been able to grind it all the way at its lowest setting yet because they suggest waiting until I've ground 10 pounds. Since I’m brewing just for myself every day as I’m the only one in my house who drinks coffee, it's going to take forever. I brew almost exclusively with a Hario v60 and an origami brewer = doing Japanese style flashbrew 98% of the time. I love the subtle notes that I get from brewing with that method. One question is if you have tried the ode with the new SSP burrs with a single cup brewer (I too love the florals and fruit) and if you think that the 200 micron difference would solve that issue or if you think going with a grinder like the niche zero would be the right thing to do / do you think there is an ideal grinder for someone brewing with a quick brewer that can take slightly more finer grinds vs let's say the slow brew of the chemex. I previously used (and still do) the barista brain grinder from OXO. When I can’t get a bean right with the ode (which is most of the time) I switch back to that one. I can tell that there are significantly more fines when I grind with that one, and it tastes like a very different cup when you get used to how clean the ode is. I'd really love your take as ever since I got the ode my coffee game has been lacking.
Like you, I do mostly v60 and I also pondered the Niche. I decided against it because most people seem to suggest it can do filter coffee, but that’s not what it does best. I am currently considering DF64 as a replacement for my Ode. I love the brews I get from the Ode, but I don’t like the decision to orient the driven burr on the outside. It’s just backwards to me and I think leads to too many headaches
Hi! Thanks for this video! Any thoughts on whether to purchase an ode now and get the SSP burrs or whether the 2.0 is worth the wait (and hopefully lower price)?
I was wondering what you think about the DF64 for filter in terms of taste and grind uniformity. I have one with the titanium coated burrs and have been thinking about getting an Ode just for filter because switching everyday between grinding for filter and espresso is quite the pain in the ass on the DF64. Do you think it'd be worth it and would I get the same grind quality with the stock burrs of the Ode.
that is a tough one. DF64 is a 250 watt motor, which is strong, but not quite strong enough to not notice dips in RPM when grinding dense beans. if you drink super light coffee, i would consider getting the ode. If darker coffees, you are fine with just df64 imo
Thanks for the reply Lance. What setting did you end up using for Moka Pot grinds? Also after installing the SSP burrs I've noticed that the auto power off doesn't happen consistently. Using the knocker while its still running seems to help.
Would you say that this is still the best filter coffee grinder with the (not released yet) v2 burrs, not the SSPs, over either new Baratza Vario Plus? My Vituoso is not working and I’m thinking of what grinder to purchase. It will be for filter/immersion only. Thanks for the amazing video!
@@LanceHedrick Interseting. So the V2 burrs may still not make it a better filter grinder than the new Vario, but with the SSP it does (by a good amount according you). So it seems like the SSP burrs still good be substantially better than the v2 burrs that will come out. Ugh, decisions.
@@LanceHedrick I guess what I’m getting at is do you think the SSP burrs will still be substantially better than the v2 Ode burrs. I’m just trying to figure out if it’s worth waiting for the v2. Thank you!
How would you say the Ode with SSP compares to the new Vario W+ for pour over. I have a Virutoso now and am looking to upgrade it to a flat burr grinder. I am between the Ode with SSP or the Vario W+.
@@LanceHedrick Thanks for the reply. Would you say the Ode SSP is a huge difference between the Vario W+ (that has the steel burrs). I drink mostly medium roast coffee and occasionally light-medium roast. I do like the Ode but having had a Baratza and their support being so great I do like the idea of another one. Don't know much about Fellow in terms of long term reliability of the ode and support for it.
X54 has steel burrs which are the same ditting burrs that baratza vario modders have been adding for a long time. Lance did a great video on this. Good burrs. Yes. Not sure how they compare here to ode with ssp but good burrs. Also same burrs in vario w+ which is known as a good filter grinder. Hope that helps.
@@jonas5666 Gotcha yeah I was mistaken. I just saw Steve Rhinehart who is super reputable and worked for Prima (now works for acaia) posted this on HB forum "The burrs are not the same Ditting burrs used in the Vario/Forte either. Should be interesting to see how they compare. Alicorned grinders are some seriously tough competition to beat in the cup." My mistake! Thank you for the correction!
yes. i was misinformed by baratza who told me the x54 had the same burrs. they are, in fact, different. Well, one is. And not as good as the ditting burrs in the forte
You really make me wish I was wealthy. Pokémon cards sales only go so far and keeping the wife happy is really hard when those boxes arrive almost daily with new little coffee gadgets/tools. I will have to settle for my modded Sette 30 with the 270 adjustment wheel and upgraded brew burrs for now as it really does me well (I use the brew burrs with the original wheel and the original burrs with the 270 wheel). Ever since I upgraded the burrs, my brews are pulling out the best from the green coffee I roast. I just roasted a Mexican Chiapas and a Guatemalan that are so damn tasty I am drinking them ALL day long. Thanks again for another great video, Lance is Life!
This may not be the most appropriate video to ask, but you did mention it, so I'll ask anyway. I've always been confused about brew batch sizes and extraction, so I don't like to deviate from normal. For the sake of this question, let's say I'm usually brewing a Chemex with 30g of coffee and 500g of water with a target time of 4m30s. If I wanted to increase batch size, what else would have to change? Would I have to grind coarser? What about target time? Is it supposed to take longer or do I grind coarse enough to maintain that 4m30s? Does the inverse apply if I'm doing a smaller batch?
increasing dose weight will always come with disadvantages. Bigger doses, to an extent, tend to extract less evenly. I would definitely recommend hotter water, coarser grounds
I’d be interested in seeing a comparison of filter-focused burr grinders. There are a lot of such comparisons for espresso, but not filter. And this is an underserved category without many grinders - it’s the Ode, the Wilfa Uniform, and a couple Eureka models.
Just a heads up for anyone who does the step-less mod, I ran into an issue where the pin that holds the rotational burr kept popping out, allowing that burr to become free floating once the grinder was turned on. I was able to fix this by making sure the calibration knob was tightened enough to hold pressure on the pin and then double checked it afterwards before grinding.
thank you for this note! important
Your videos have helped demystify and made coffee much more accessible for the average person like myself wanting to explore its artisanal side. They’re entertaining and informative.
Stay golden. Subbed.
This comment means so much to me! This is exactly why I started this channel. Thank you for the engagement
Thanks for this very detailed rundown, Lance. I just ordered a white Ode w/ SSP. Like you, I love those clear, crisp, tea-like brews. I like sweet, round cups, too, but I love that I can order the SSP burrs pre-installed from Fellow. Which is what I just did.
Almost went with the Lagom Mini, but there's quite a delay in getting those, and also the shipping was annoyingly expensive. The Ode+SSP is still more money, of course, but if it's the best reasonably-priced filter grinder available (I don't do espresso at home) as you say, I don't mind spending a little more for that perfectly transparent cup.
Thanks again!
I just got my Ode shipped from Fellow a week ago and replaced the burrs tonight with the SSP MP burrs. No issues at all with the fit being overly tight. Plenty of room for the stationary burr, and the rotary burr had just enough room between it and the sweepers to see just a tiny little bit of light. Thanks for showing us how to take this apart and calibrating it, it helped me out tremendously.
I have the Ode + SSP combo and never looked back. Had the original burrs for 6 months. I got the SSP as I wanted to go to lighter beans. Now I have a full range of options. I’m happy.
Keep the vids coming.
@@VeluBeru no issues. The motor sounds the same as before. Never stalled or anything. I only do drip grind on it
I just got the SSP burrs delivered. Is there a good video you recommend on how to install them?
simply take off the face with the deep screws as shown in the video. Take out carriers. Unscrew and replace. Just make sure to CLEAN before putting burrs on. And make sure they are EVEN when putting them in so they dont get stuck
which ssp do you use it?
@@LanceHedrick Do you recommend doing a market alignment? I ask because you noted their being a tight tolerance with the Ode.
Thank you for your videos btw. You and James Hoffmann are by far the most detailed, helpful and informative.
I have watched many reviews of this grinder out of mere interest, and I just wanted to say that I found yours the most well-informed and captivating. If I was in the market for a new filter grinder, you would have convinced me to really, really take this one into consideration. I will certainly point to this video if anyone I know is looking for a good filter grinder. I myself will have to wait only my trusty Baratza Virtuoso+ bites the dust or until I can just materialize things by pure will, whichever comes first. :)
haha for sure! Thanks for watching andd the kind words! I love the vario. Have you put the steel burrs in it? if not, HIGHLY recommend
@@LanceHedrick I should really consider upgrading the burrs at some point!
Your virtuoso will never bite the dust. Bought mine refurbished in 2008, still using it (well, with a little bit of maintenance) :)
True but it doesn't create, at least for me and my preferences, nearly as tasty of cups as other grinders, even in the baratza family.
In fact I've been contemplating an upgrade myself! It's just hard to take the leap of faith that a new grinder will be worth the upgrade. Might do the Vario though because of such good experience with Baratza over 13 years. They even sent me a free motor out of warranty when mine died, just out of respect for me trying to repair it.
Lance, I thoroughly appreciate that you have not chosen to use any affiliate links. I love your content and even more for that fact.
One very helpful part of this video was that you didn't just talk about the mods that could be done to the Ode, but you actually showed us. Top man, thank you.
This is the best review of the Fellow Ode that I have seen and I think I watched all of them over the last year.
Wow! Thank you so much! There were a lot of reviews, so that means a ton.
Just wanted to say love the intro. Keep it up!! Your energy just makes your videos so entertaining. Keep up the great work!
Thank you so much! I'm just happy that you're enjoying the videos
Hey Lance, thanks for always taking the time to respond to all these commments and questions. big fan you and also onyx. question for ya. how would you compare and contrast the ODE with one of these upgraded burrs VS. Lagom Mini 48mm obsidian?
September 2023 - swapped to the Gen 2 burrs. I’m liking the finer grinds for single cups.
Lance! Thank you for sure. You got me excited for my Ode again. Two major disappointments with it- not being step-less and lack of grinding range for pour overs- you’ve solved both issues! Hope to get a new burr set too.
heck yeah, man! Thanks for watching. Means a lot
Lance, I'd be very curious to hear your thoughts on which grinders would be next in "diminishing returns"? I was thinking of the P-64 but that has the same burr options as the the Ode so would just be a design choice.
Thanks for explaining the taste difference between burrs
Absolutely! I'm glad you enjoyed the video. Thank you for engaging
I like your vibe, you seem honest. Ima watch the whole video. Can tell it’s a good video!
FYI if you’re trying to buy the Ode with SSP, Fellow support told me they have currently paused selling SSP burrs on their site as they have had too many folks not be able to fit the burrs in the ode (not clearly explained on the site). I bought the burrs separately and they didn’t fit the grinder I bought.
Update, ordered another Ode and that also didn’t fit SSP burr. My guess is the whole batch of recently manufactured Odes are not compatible, and that would explain why they’ve taken SSP burrs off their website. So until Fellow starts selling SSP burrs again, I would not buy an Ode and try to fit SSP burrs bought elsewhere with it.
thank you! ... have you had to align your burrs with the aluminum foil method you showed us? i have a feeling i hear an off chirp that might indicate misalignment, and that happens both with stock and SSP burrs, and after very carefully cleaning and putting in the SSP burrs. on another note, a trick i've found to keep the beans going (because they do INDEED annoyingly stick to the hopper sides) is to intermittently use the knocker while grinding : this usually knocks them off the sides and keeps them going down into the burrs. not necessarily much quieter lol, but a trick nonetheless. for retention, i find that if i give it a rest after grinding, while my water finished boiling or rinsing my paper, and then i knock again, and/or pop the grind catcher out and back in, the remaining grounds fall in nicely and i have like ZERO retention. anyway, a few thoughts, and i'd love to hear what you think about aligning this grinder, because that is my next daunting project. thanks Lance, you da man!
I did the burr alignment with the foil on the ode with SSP burrs and it was tricky handling the tiny shims, but corrected the misalignment!
@@GreenFlamingo thanks for the heads up. did you find it made a rubbing noise at the end of the grind before doing the alignment? and do you find it's changed since the alignment? cheers!
@@nat2world I didn’t notice a rubbing sound before or after.
definitely need to align! They are poorly aligned out of the box, especially rotary burr!
@@LanceHedrick thanks! ... i will do that then! ... i still don't understand though (you quickly mentioned this as well in your alignment video) why you would have to align -- or how you would decide -- the rotary and/or the stationary burr? once your marker-erase test comes out clean, how and why would i play with the other burr? thanks!! :)
Thanks for this video. It really helped me out. I had been looking at the Gorilla Gear burrs, but was unable to find any info on the difference in flavor between them and the SSP unimodal. I just recently added electric grinders to my gear (I have been using a Comandante and 1zpresso K-Plus) because I wanted a flat burr for a little change of pace. I had already ordered an Ode and a set of SSP unimodals. After watching your review I ended up ordering a second Ode (different color) and the Gorilla Gear burrs. I roast my own coffee and have a wide variety of beans that I roast. This now allows me to fine tune the grinder to the flavor profile of the bean, and at a relatively low price. Reading some of the comments, I also grind 32 grams every morning. I fill a 16 oz mug with coffee and a little milk every morning, and that is my coffee for the day.
Great video. Really helpful. Glad to learn even more about the grinder I’ve had since it launched. Loving my aligned and seasoned SSPs, and now excited to learn how to make it stepless or even improve the clickiness of the adjustment dial. Options!
Just make sure that you cover the thread with teflon tape. This will help it not drift
How did you go about seasoning the ssp burrs? Rotational I could get partial wipe but I didn’t know how to approach the stationary burr.
Hey Lance, your channel is amazing! I order truck loads of Onyx coffee and my mom's favorite are Southern Weather, Monarch and Geometry. I have a Fellow Ode + SSP and a Ratio 6 coffeemaker. I still can't find the sweet spot I was looking for. My mom had foot surgery and was out of commission for a couple months, so Onyx coffee is what she looked forward to each morning. At the time, I had the Cuisinart Pour over coffeemaker and a Baratza Virtuoso+. I remember the first time I gave her a cup of Southern Weather, I swear she called out every single flavor note that was on the packaging. I've been chasing that cup of coffee that was balanced, silky, oily, good body and had distinct flavor notes. The complexity was incredible. I thought with the Fellow Ode + SSP burrs and Ratio 6, it was going to be a breeze to have all that, but I'm not getting the distinct flavor notes I was with lesser equipment. Would I be better off with the Gorilla Gear burrs? Could it be an alignment issue. I'll get there! Keep up the great work. I saw you were just in London with the Hoff. Safe travels!
Great video. For someone with a Comandante that does mainly light roast single serve pour overs, what's the next meaningful step up of grinder/burrs for a similar flavor profile? Alternatively, what grinder/burrs would offer a complementary profile?
I think you would enjoy the Baratza Vario/forte with the steel ditting burrs. The SSP multipurpose/unimodal would definitely be up your alley as well
@@MrMarki134 Sorry for the delay. Thanks for your suggestions. I looked more into it and am trying to decide between the Baratza Vario/Forte with steel Ditting burrs and the SSP Unimodal V1, V2 and Gorilla Gear Black burrs.
@@bpcarb I just ordered silver knight cast sweet burrs directly from SSP which they say are the best burrs for pour over. I've had trouble with the first set but they're making some more for me that hopefully fit.
@@rjejames28 Cool, I hope those work out for you. I'm curious how the 64mm silver knight cast sweet burrs compare to the Unimodal V1 and Unimodal V2 on the body vs clarity spectrum, for light roast single dose pour over brews. I understand the V1 have more clarity, less body than the V2. Although the V1 are more brewing focused, I'm more inclined to favor the V2 over the V1 since the V2 seems to be more versatile and forgiving, and I'm not looking for ultra transparency at the expense of texture. I wonder if Option-O will eventually offer the P64 with the SSP cast burrs.
@@bpcarb I know they make some for the 64, so far SSP has been amazing to deal with. Im sure if you wanted to go that route they would make you some. Also after they are making this custom set for me, I wonder if you will see them more mainstream for the Ode. Once they have done the legwork I'm sure they will try to sell a bunch of them.
Wow. I’m so happy you made this video.
1) RDT- yes. You are so right.
2) hopper lid- are you familiar with the 3rd parties on Etsy that make a mod/3D printed single dose hopper WITH integrated bellows?!?!
3) small feed- Pacamara beans choke. Had to use my Baratza Virtuoso to grind those
4)I got really frustrated with the stock burrs AND waiting for the V2 burrs to be shipped to KS backers. They originally said by last summer. And the latest news was that they still haven’t gotten them right yet, so more delays. So, I caved and bought the SSP burrs.
5)I’m so happy to hear about the stepless mod and the tip on the Teflon tape.
6)are there any good videos out there on how to do the SSP burr upgrade. I don’t want to screw it up and damage my grinder/burrs.
Thanks as always for your vids!
I watched the regular burr replacement video on fellows website, but using the SSP burrs instead. Also paired that with Lances burr alignment video. I wasn’t able to go find a perfect video for replacement and found the auger key slightly confusing at first glance.
Have you tried the Etsy hopper, thoughts?
@@ANTTT222 they are out of stock, but the shop owner said they should be restocked in 2-3 weeks.
@@ANTTT222 No. The one Etsy merchant I found is currently out of stock. But, he said lead time is only a couple weeks, so I’m hoping to order then. Will get one for my Ode, Virtuoso, and Sette 270.
yeah! i am now! i only knew of the one i linked in the caption prior t that.
I’ve watched your video on the Baratza Vario as well. I’m curious if a modified version of the Vario with steel burrs(not ceramic) and bellows is at all comparable to the modified Ode. Price point with burrs included, they aren’t too far off, right? Interested in your initial thoughts!
Hey Josiah! Of course the vario beats the ode overall just because it can do espresso. And it does espresso very well. But when you pit them against each other for filter, the ode has no equal in this price.
@@LanceHedrick Awesome. Appreciate the response man. Keep it up!
You also need to consider that the vario has much smaller burrs and I don't know if it has the variety of burrs available to it at its size versus a 64mm burrset like the ode.
I just use what I’ve coined “the flappy method” on my Ode and I get almost no retention. After grinding I hold the lid firmly at one end then flap it up and down a few times as if it’s on a hinge and I’m slamming it shut. The air pressure from this acts like a poor man’s bellows and sends most of the coffee through. Then I give the tapper a few flicks for good measure. I usually got almost exactly the same amount of coffee out as I put in.
The fellow crew call that like the Jake slam or something. Jake, owner, does something similar hahaha
Lol took me a year with the ode before I started flapping the lid
Hello, is it suitable for brewing filtered coffee in 1 liter of water 10 times in 1 day, 60 gr of coffee? Will I have problems? I own a boutique mini coffee shop. Thank you
I got an ad for the Ode after the video ended. How fitting. Great video as always Lance
! That is so fitting. Lol
I drilled a hole in the lid and glued bellows on top. Works great!
coming from a Kitchenaid Pro, which has only 15 steps (lol), the Ode is very finely stepped!
true that!
Just wonderful work here. Many thanks.
Ok Lance: Ode/SSP vs Baratza Vario W+ (for primarily filter coffee). Any clear winner there?
+1 Wondering same thing
I might modify and say Vario+ (for me), rather than Vario W+. (I’m perfectly happy weighing on a scale.)
i'had vario-w and grind range was horribly short. be careful before buying. same problem applies for this grinder too. i'll say stay away from both.
Urbanic 080 with Gevi burrs, I would go for that personally.
@@DS52116 “the drip department”
I agree tho, filter coffee/pour overs are my #1
Just ordered the Ode with preinstalled SSP burrs - an exciting upgrade from a Baratza Encore. Thank you for the detailed review!
The gorilla gear burrs look like high uniformity burrs vs the SSP unimodal burrs that fellows sells. That might be difference that you are tasting? The SSP high uniformity burrs may perform the same as the gorilla gears.
probably! i have not had the 64mm HU burrs
Just got my SSP MP burrs yesterday with the Ode, made my first cup with it with some bottom of the barrel beans (2 weeks old specialty grade nonetheless), which was all I had at the time.
I was expecting something really average, cause the last cup from an opened bag of bean usually is, but I've made the best cup of pourover coffee I've tasted in my life....not exaggerating, it was juicy, fruity, great balance....the clarity was nothing I've ever experienced in a cup of coffee.
Thanks for the review Lance, you and Brian Quan had a big influence on me regarding upgrading this grinder, which turns out to be a great decision.
Heck yeah! So glad you had such an awesome experience!
I’m so happy I took your recommendation a few months ago and upgraded from my Vario. It’s been an absolute pleasure to use (with some of the caveats you mentioned)
so happy to hear you are loving it!
@@DS52116 I did have the steel burrs installed on my Vario. The Ode SSP produces a much more uniform grind profile in my experience.
@@DS52116 at the risk of damaging your bank account 🤣🤣🤣 I have to admit it’s been a substantially improved cup of coffee. That being said, my one gripe is the ODE is substantially messier.
@@DS52116 I think either route would be solid, but I think the ODE with SSP for brew and Niche for Espresso is a really great setup. I know the motor is isn’t rated for it, but pulling a handful of espresso shots with the ODE probably won’t have a huge impact IMO if you want to compare the flat burrs vs the conical in the Niche. Cheers!
Totally ordered the Gorilla Gear burrs based on your comparison - thank you for that! Now the waiting game…
How did they work out for you?
@@andreamudiraj9088 working out well! Only within the past couple of weeks I’ve been really able to do a lot of comparisons. What Lance said is correct - SSP can’t be touched in terms of flavor clarity, but the gorilla gears texture and mouth feel is incredible, even with a kalita. Gonna see how it does with aeropress next!
Really like the intro!
Thank you so much! I appreciated a lot!
I so wanted to pull the trigger on the Ode during the Black Friday sales this year, but many of the cons discussed kept me from taking the plunge. Instead I went in a different direction and picked up the 1ZPresso JX for over half the price. Sure it's a hand grinder which has other limitations, but for an incredibly consistent grind that does drip fantastically and is espresso capable, it just felt like the better buy. Don't sleep on the hand grinders that are out there!
Oh I don't sleep on them. I am working on a big hand grinder video. But, I'd be lying if I said they could compete with the filter I've been making with ode and ssp (personal preference, of course). Clarity can't be beat.
@@LanceHedrick I can completely understand and can't argue with that! Now for complete transparency a lot of my decision making was with price in mind and I just couldn't justify a $300+ purchase right now. I'm pumped to see your hand grinder review, especially with the depth of detail you provide. Thank you for doing what you do, Lance!
@@LanceHedrick I am looking forward to that Video and appreciate the option you just shared on Ode + SSP vs all hand grinders (C40, Kinu, 1ZPresso, etc.). I am not sure if I share the same personal preference as you on clarity versus sweetness and body. I think I like mellower chocolate flavors, but I truly value your insights that you’re sharing in these comments and video. It’s helping me big time to make an informed purchasing decision.
@@JeffsP13 ha! I did the exact same thing as you Jeff :)
I also bought the 1ZPresso JX in November for filter coffee instead of the Ode Black Friday deal because the V1.1 burr complaints. And like you, I’m not 100% satisfied with the JX. I think I’ll hold out until Fellow V2 burrs are released… whenever that is.
For sure! While my preference lays with clarity, I can absolutely enjoy sweetness and big bodies. So hopefully my review, though I will obviously say I prefer one over the other, will give you good insight into what they offer.
Another great and fun video, Lance. Got my SSP burrs earlier on from Fellow themselves. Best upgrade.
which ssp burrs?
Awesome review as always, sir Lance! Would also love to see budget hand grinders review. And maybe a budget portable espresso maker showdown like Cafflano Kompresso, Staresso and some Wacaco products as these are what people starting out with espresso with a tight budget would probably be looking for.
😄 Lance going all "'as seen on TV with that hopper lid" 🤣
haha!
Hello. What would you think about an advanced Moka pot video? You can control the temperature by putting in boiling, 200, 180, 160 degree water in, but you’d need a temperature probe inside. Also if you want stronger or weaker coffee is it best to put more or less coffee in the basket, or to put less water in the chamber or to dilute afterwards. How do areopresss filters change things below and above the ground coffee? Sprometheus recommends a bloom which is very interesting. What heat is best. Not all stoves have the same btu so it would be a little complicated to test that but maybe something like changing the heat to make coffee come out in 4 minutes or three minutes or two. They are also super accessible to everyone which is great. And what coffees make the best moka pots. I really like your videos keep up the good work
working on a moka pot video now! will need some time
@@LanceHedrick woohoo! Take all the time you need
What would be a hand grinder equivalent of the upgraded Fellow Ode (in grind consistency, not necessarily flat burrs)?
No hand grinder uses flat burrs. Flat burrs have tons of clarity. Top clarity hand grinders are supposed to be Comandante and K series from 1zpresso, but i dont think they are as good as SSP burrs.
oe apex uses flat ghost burrs
there is also a hand grinder maker in Russia who makes hand grinders compatible with 64mm ssp burrs, just FYI
@@LanceHedrick ohhh didn't know that
Interesting video. I've had my Ode for just over two yerars now and I really like it. I did upgrade to the V2 burrs recently, and I hope that the new hopper design that they're working on will be able to be retrofitted to the version 1 of the Ode. Btw, the way that the motor maintains constant rpm isn't due ot any "proprietary voodoo magic". It's a PID motor contoller that allows the motor to vary it's torque output so that the grinder speed remains within parameters set by the designer. Very common in DC motor design.
Yes I know. They asked me not to reveal that. But it has since been revealed. Not sure why since so many use it.
But yes. Pid.
Great video. I hope you will do a follow up video when Fellow releases the v2 burrs. This was my first time hearing about the Gorilla Gear Burrs....but I want to see what the v2 burrs from Fellow offer before I look at the aftermarket offerings.
This is by far, the best review of the Ode Grinder and a different Burr set, period. This is the only review that's covered THE INSANELY ANNOYING problem of the beans getting stuck after spritzed (lol drives me crazy) and the stupidity of the lid design. I love that you pointed out the motor as a strength, as I'm fairly certain that's a first (everyone only talks about how it can't handle espresso so you should buy a Niche :flat:). Also, I couldn't agree more, the SSP Burrs on this thing are just amazing and the coffee produced on it is just killer. WOULD love another video on using the SSP Burrs with different coffees, calibrating and playing, etc........Using all of my willpower not buy the Gorilla Gears :sob:
Those gorilla gear burrs are quite awesome though. Might be worth saving up for if you have the ability
The Baratza grinders also have an electronic speed control to hold them at 550r rpm
@@LanceHedrick I will....because I don't have any self control...
Haha! Welcome to my world, friend
How does the Ode with stock burrs compare with the Baratza Virtuoso+? 300 USD is about as much as I want to spend on a pour-over only (or mostly) grinder. I'm currently using a 1Zpresso JX Pro and a sieve to reduce the amount of fines. Works well enough, but the workflow is not great.
i would wait until the v2 burrs are out and come stock with the grinders. they will be super worth the wait
@@LanceHedrick Would you then say the Ode w/V2 is good/PERFECT for filter and espresso? In your IG live stream a day or so ago I believe you said some grinder - and I can't remember if it was Mod'd Vario or Ode V2 or something else - would be THE BEST "budget" grinder for both espresso and filter. I have a DF64 (steel) coming in 3 days but if the Ode V2 will outperform for espresso and filter (I care about espresso more - always light to med roast) I might sell it and get the Ode. Honestly I don't might paying up to $1K for an exquisite espresso grinder but I would love it to be able to also do great filter... the Zerno catches my eye but it doesn't exist yet, so...
Update to the situation I got my newly redesigned 64.1 mm burrs from SSP instead of 64.2 mm. The brand new silver night sweet cast burrs fit in the ode now. I just seasoned them with a couple pounds of dark roast and should be ready for tomorrow's chemex. I wanted to give a big thank you to SSP and fellow ode for standing behind their products and giving great customer service.
Oh wow! SSP made 64.1 specifically for the ode?
@@LanceHedrick yep in silver knight coated cast sweet burrs, I guess they machined the back of the burr as well so it aligns better also. Hansung said they just completed them a few days ago. I got a pretty nice morning chemex with them, I'm looking forward to when they are fully seasoned
I have been doing 19G single cup brews with the stock burrs for months and they have been great. The problem is just that you’re in a box. You never know what kind of cup you might be getting if you were just a bit finer. But really the brews are fantastic. You don’t need to be doing big batches.
I started my coffee journeys 21 years ago with the Jura Subito (or Capresso Ultima) and a modest Heartware flat burr grinder. 10 years ago it faded out (was working so hard I didn't have the 10 minutes free to make my perfect Latte, so it was all or nothing, and nothing - won). I was dialing espresso before RUclips existed (grinder, puck pressure, brew time, different beans like: Kenya, Brazil, Columbia, Ethiopia, Guatemala.... and the amazing Jamaica Blue Mountain), and now after so many years with Jacobs Instant Coffee (remember... all or nothing) I happen to have found this channel and other leading coffe lovers channels.... I want to go back... I want to dial-in back my coffee. And I decided to try to revive my 2nd Jura Subito (stored at my work place, which I have not visited for more than 2 years). Stay tuned... I will report my progress.
this is such a cool comment! Thanks so much for taking the time. It means a lot to me that my channel could reinvigorate your passion to some extent!
I did it..... I fixed my 20 years old flat burr grinder and performed a Bypass Surgery on my nostalgic Jura Subito unique espresso machine (model 2000-2005 which was also known by the alias Capresso Ultima, and Delonghi Something...), knowing that if it doesn't work my only option is to get the Breville Barista Pro (maybe that drove me harder to get the task done). Not saying (yet) that the Jura Subito is superior to the Barista Pro, but I am sure gonna try to prove that. No doubt the Jura Subito is an underdog (with somewhat damaged arteries), but it sure has some nice features up his sleeve to try to level the score against the mighty Barista. Worked 8 hours on the grinder and the heart-damaged espresso machine, weighed 19 grams of whatever Lavazza beans I could find, grinded them coarser (first shot), leveled the puck, tamped it.... and BOOM... crazy ass crema espresso was showing (after almost 10 years of not using my equipment). I was so hypnotized by the crema I lost my count and the shot became over-extracted and bitter. Also found out I used the pressurized option of the machine since this machine has a cylinder + piston instead of a standard porta filter, but its a different story to be told in a different lance-comment-blog :)
You should check out the Orphan Espresso Apex!
Absolutely! I'm currently trying to find one to borrow because they are quite expensive
I have one I’m actually trying to get rid of
Another Great and Fun video, Lance! Got my SSP upgrade from Fellow themselves!
Oh heck yeah! You are going to love this
which ssp. burrs? brewing or multipurpose
Maybe another (longer lasting) solution to the grind setting drifting off is replacing the spring loaded pin by a piece of rubber/glue stick/anything that provides some resistance and fits in the hole. I you keep the end blunt, it won't fall into the indents in the knob and just provide some resistance
Idk what fellows plans are for a v2 burr, but all they'd have to do is mill a little off of the teeth depth to create a small crush section and a shallower outfall and it would enable a bit finer grind potential without creating a ton more fines overall.
lab sweet clones
that is definitely an idea! They would be similar to a lot of burrs. I am excited for what they are cooking up
Lance you just seem to know what kind of videos coffee geeks want. I wonder how it compares to the new Vario.
ps.: Thanks for another great video and happy holidays!
hahaha! thanks you so mcuh! Means a lot and happy you are enjoying the content!
I just got the Ode and am very perplexed that, on course settings (6 and even 7), I am getting drawdown times of 6-7 minutes using the 4:6 method. Strangely, going from 6 to 7 actually seemed to INCREASE the drawdown from about 6:45 (setting 6) to 7:00 (at setting 7). The burrs are not yet seasoned (having only put about 9 x 33g doses of coffee through it). Can anyone explain why I'm getting slower drawdowns at a higher setting of 7 and more fines?
Sad to think in a world where we can’t by Fellow Bellows. Please someone make them, just to call them that :D
Thanks for your videos!
And thank you for the support!
My white ODE with SSP arrived yesterday. To be honest this is all I want from a dedicated brew grinder.
I recently purchased and received the Ode Gen 2. My biggest complaint is that even with the redesigned hopper (I didn't have the originalversion), and even without using the water spray method (which isn't necessary because it has a nice antistatic ionizer in the output chute), the beans still got stuck sometimes, but even when there were beans grinding, the motor would shut off more than half the time, leaving maybe a half a tablespoon of beans, and I would have start the motor again. I didn't realize this was happening at first. Because this is promoted as a single dose coffee grinder, the auto-shut-off for single a dose not working is a dealbreaker for me, and I returned it. I did like how quiet it was and how quickly it ground beans, however.
Hi. Thanks for your info. I’m close to buying the Ode Gen 2, but your issue concerns me. What did you end up getting and are you happy with it! I obviously only brew filter, pourover and occasionally french press. Thx!!!
@@frankmilano I'm not sure everyone had the same problem, but it seems sensitive to the oil in the beans, or maybe there's a variation in the sensing mechanism. I think some people reported it kept going longer than it should, the opposite of my problem. I can't really judge accurately how the coffee came out because I believe my coffee maker was malfunctioning and I didn't realize it at first and/or I had a off batch of beans, but my impression was it produces a narrower flavor profile than what I had been using, and I've heard comments to that effect from others, that they weren't getting the full flavor profile. Of course, that's what the trend is, isolation of certain flavor elements that they call clarity, with a uniform grind, etc. But I prefer a fuller flavor profile. You may not believe it, but after also trying to the $200 OXO Conical Burr Grinder, with which I couldn't get the coffee to taste quite right, and a $200 1Zpresso ZP6 Special hand grinder from Taiwan, which always seemed to make the coffee taste like burnt rubber, I went back to what I'd been using for a good number of years, the inexpensive ($60) Cusinart Supreme Grind Automatic Burr Mill DBM-8, with the inexpensive ceramic block burrs. Yes, it's noisy, and the plastic bin creates static, so it takes a little time to brush the grinds out, but it's the only coffee maker I've tried among the ones I mentioned (and a couple of much older blade grinders) that brings out the full flavor of the coffee. Coffee connoisseurs turn up the noses at the Cuisinart, saying it produces too many fines or the grinds are uneven, but I believe that's what gives it the broad spectrum of flavor (even James Hoffmann said it was the best of the inexpensive grinders he did a review of, so if you discount snob bias, that means it's probably equivalent to a $600 machine--I am kidding...on the square). It may or may not be okay for espresso, but for automatic drip or pour over I believe it is excellent. If you look at the reviews on Amazon most of them give it high praise, and there are so many of them for so long, you can tell they are not phony reviews. Two or three years ago they came out with the a P1 designation at the end of DBM-8, as, DBM-8P1. Every time you talk to a Cuisinart rep they have different information, but I felt that the motor was different--it started slower and was not as noisy but, but the model left more beans in the hopper than the earlier version, unless it was an anomaly. I just put in the amount of beans I want to use and put the slider all the way up to the end of the time limit and run it until the beans are all ground. With the updated version, it took longer and still left some beans there, maybe a half dozen or so. I told the rep I thought the motor was different, although at first they denied it but then later said the motor was different, unless I had the same rep and she was just repeating what I told her a couple months before; then another rep, on a Sunday, said nothing was different, even after I asked him to ask his supervisor, confirmed that nothing was different, that its' just a designation change that happens after a certain number years. I don't believe that, as I found a difference in their coffee maker also after a P1 update, namely that the beep was not as loud, so I can't hear it if I leave the room (I am now using a Technivorm Moccamaster KBGV Select with a third party sprayhead insert that sits on the filter basket, and leaving the carafe out for 40 seconds to let the water build up, on the half carafe setting). My previous Cuisinart non-P1 DBM-8 coffee grinder is still working, but just to future proof it, I found on eBay two new units of the same model, before the update, for about the same price as the updated one, so I bought them.
This may be a longer reply than you expected, but I hope it helps.
PS The problem I have with the updated version of the Cuisinart DBM-8 may not affect all of them, and it may not affect the actual grind, so as they are only $60 you know where, it might be worth trying if you don't want to take time to find a new non-P1 updated unit on eBay.
for filter coffee, which grinder do you preffer? ODE + SSP or Comandante ?
Your videos always turn my friday lunch breaks so much better! How do you compare this with the Akira Koki? Thanks a lot for your time making these videos!
Haha! That makes me stoked to hear. So, this grinder is much better for filter. That's mostly because it has that ability to maintain constant RPM that the other does not have. In addition, it has more surface area on the Burr since it is a 64 mm grinder
11:25
"So what you hear is the motor going bbbrrRRRRRRRRRRRR"
Great video Lance! Waiting for my SSP burrs as we speak
hahaha thank you! i believe you will love the ssps
For the Ode + SSP combo what calibration / brew range so you find yourself using?
I calibrate for the burrs to touch at 1, and I brew usually around 5
nice tattoo
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the rpm control is very common and actually quite simple. and only costs cents, btw.
it's the little circuit board at the back side which has a sensor that reads the motor-speed and sends to the motor-controller.
(which then actively ramps up (or down) to keep the rpm at 1400)
...the sound you hear at 11:26
Thank you!
Just bought a gen 1 from fellows refurbished program completely out of impulse. I've been enjoying it with my Chemex, but I just bought a new v60 set and would like to know if I'm safe with just buying some gen 2 burrs for mine or if I should also look into investing in a much more expensive grinder to have a proficient experience.
How does it compare to a Comandante C40?
I personally prefer this to the comandante. The flatburr profile with these extremely low fines burrs just creates a cup that cannot be replicated until you begin to spend a few $1000
I wonder if the Lagom mini with the new conical can beat or be close to this.
+1 wondering the same
I would pick it. Stepless from factory. No fuss. Cheaper overall if you count SSP + Ode. Likely worse for filter but not bad either. Does espresso. Nice design and created to run for 5+ years at the least. Mods are cool but you gotta put you hands in them and small issues may arise eventually and you will not be covered by warranty. I would get the Ode if i happened to get my hands in a used one for very cheap as a filter only grinder. If you can only afford 1 grinder then a multi purpose one like Urbanic or Lagom sounds better.
i have one in the mail now! Will review it when i can
Nice review. This grinder has been great and I have had none of the anecdotal issues people have mentioned (like stuck burrs). At $300 it is practically disposable as compared with the price of good espresso grinders. A few quick points and counterpoints:
1) The hopper lid is fine as is. It is minimalist. Its job is just to cover the hopper opening between single-dosing grind sessions, without disturbing the esthetic, and therefore doesn't need any complications.
2) The grounds catch lid - now THAT lid needs a redesign. It is sort of squishy and hard to seat onto the metal container, and yet, still necessary to use due to reduce chaff/mess.
3) The stepless mod is cool to know about, but imho unnecessary on this grinder. This is my set-and-forget grinder for brew only, so I don't have to get my espresso grinders out of adjustment. I leave it on 8 (or a few clicks lower) for almost all coffees and there's never a situation where I need (or could even detect) a half-click difference in the cup.
4) Bellows are another unnecessary complication and would disturb the clean look. The grinder is low enough retention, especially as compared with a relatively large dose (like 32g for 500mL) that a trace of stale grounds won't affect the cup.
5) Agree on SSP. I started out with HU (high-uniformity) and recently swapped out for the Unimodal (like in this video) and they are fantastic. I have had no issues at all swapping between the stock or either SSP burr set. Even though they significantly increase the total cost of the grinder, the SSP burrs will likely also outlast the grinder so you can move them to the next one.
I appreciate the comment. Hard disagree on your approach to brewing and saying you set and forget. Perhaps you're an espresso guy first, but I tend to change my grind setting frequently.
As for the hopper lid, it's odd you felt the need to counter my dislike of it. Won't elaborate further Herr.
I didn't bring up the catch lid because it is necessary. I don't have as much issues as others replacing it.
Re: bellows, you must have a special ode. I get more than .2g retention each time, on every unit I have used. Bellows are great.
Anyway, just thought some of your counter points were odd to argue since some were steeped in deep subjectivity
Also seems we have just insanely different palates. I'd never brew a 32g brew and I'd never say that grind size nuance isn't important for filter.
In any event, thanks for the engagement. Appreciate it!
Of course, reviews are opinions, which are inherently subjective. I enjoyed your expert opinion on the grinder and was providing my (different in some cases) perspective on some of those same features. Generally, when people are looking at a product they often read multiple reviews and different perspectives before they buy. To clarify, around 32 grams in for 500 mL (500g) of V60 and that's the main prep method I use this for, which is one reason I rarely need to adjust it much. (My Moccamaster recipe uses a similar ratio and grind setting.) Another benefit is my wife can also use this and she doesn't have to play around with the settings; she'll get decent results as long as she knows how much water and coffee to use.
very nice! Yes. That makes sense. thanks for clarifying! I appreciate the engagement. Hope to see you in future comment sections! i can always use some pushback haha!
Great video!! I would be interested in a comparison of the gorilla gear burrs and the SSP burrs. Thanks!
I discussed briefly the difference. Are you looking for a triangulation of the 2? Let me know. I am working on another video with 64 mm burrs
@@LanceHedrick thank you for responding! Yes that would be great. I use my Ode with the slightly updated burrs for filter brews only. I am interested in the flavor profiles and differences of each of the burr sets. Thanks again.
@@LanceHedrick How exciting! SSP are making new 64mm burrs modelled on the Lab Sweet 80mm cast burrs. It would interesting to see if these new burrs share the same flavour profile with the Gorilla 64mm in terms of sweetness & body.
It’s great with SSP multipurpose for filter. I use it over my Niche for that. It grinds espresso; sure. It’s a pain to dial in, though. I need to convert to stepless when I get home from the holidays.
yeah dialing in espresso, in general, with flat burrs is tedious becuase they produce a lot less fines. more fines usually means more forgiving. Niche makes a lot in comparison
This or a mignon filtro? There arnt really many good reviews on the filtro or the chrono. It’s a smaller flat burr but mugger motor I believe
Better motor, for sure, but you are stuck with those 50mm burrs. There are no replacements I have found. With the ode, as long as you are doing predominantly filter coffee, you have unlimited styles of burrs, really.
@@LanceHedrick thanks for the reply.
Have you heard of fellow selling or replacing the motor out of warranty? That’s been my biggest concern with the ode. Not sure if it’s justified, but grinding finer with different burrs might cause premature failure on the motor. And doesn’t seem like an easy fix if they do sell a motor separately.
Great review, thank you. Have you hyper aligned yours with the marker test?
Of course
How would you say the Option-O Lagom Mini 48mm compares to the Ode? Considering they're both mainly for filter but capable of some espresso.
I'm torn between which to get, please help!
Video is upcoming!
Is alignment possible? It is interesting that the entire video has no mention of alignment, but you think it is an important thing to do
Yes, I aligned my ode SSP burrs with aluminum foil shims.
, alignment is very important! Good point good point that I forgot to say that in the video. That's an odd omission on my part
How does this compare to the Urbanic 070s? I am looking for a new grinder around 300 dollars and am torn... I am using it for pour overs only right now, but may want the ability to use it for espresso. If that's not possible, would the Ode be the best at this price range for filter coffee?
This is absolutely the best for filter coffee. If you're going to do just very occasional espresso, the ode can handle that probably.
@@LanceHedrick Is this assuming I do upgrade the burrs? I might just stick it out with my encore until the v2 burrs for the ode come out?
I think that would be a smart decision. The V-2 burrs I believe will be really good. And it always leaves you the option to upgrade to another set of burrs if you're unhappy
@@LanceHedrick Sounds like a plan, thanks for the help!
Any time, friend!
The gorilla gear burrs that I ordered right after watching this just arrived!!
Got mine too. Installed and aligned. But be aware you’re likely gonna have an issue with the rotary burr mount.
@@eligeorgia mine fit easily but they don’t seem that aligned, lots of boulders and fines
Great video! How does the fellow ode compare with the DF64? Thanks!
Awesome video! I definitely love my Ode with the SSP brew burrs. I like your description of how it’s the best brew grinder you can get before hitting diminishing returns. Do you have a grinder for espresso that you can say a similar thing? Is there a grinder you think that can do both espresso and brew well at this level or is getting separate grinders for each the way to go?
I don't have one as of now. Espresso is a fickle world haha
@@LanceHedrick Haha. I hear ya! I have high hopes for the Lagom Mini and am looking forward to hearing your thoughts on that. I was originally thinking about getting a Lagom P64 in hopes of having one grinder for both espresso (on a Flair Pro 2 and likely eventually a 58) and pourover brews. If the Mini performs decently I’m more than happy to have a Mini and Ode at a fraction of the cost of the P64. I’m thinking the black Mini and Ode will look really nice next to each other.
Do you recommend the marker alignment after installing upgraded burrs?
Love your videos.
Would love to know what Lance thinks of this as well since he states that the Ode’s tolerance is tight.
Lance, How are you handling the SSP worry of blowing the motor? As well as what do you think of backing the dial farther back to keep it from getting too fine ie espresso fine so it doesnt put the motor?
Really appreciate this deep dive. Wish Fellow would employ more experts instead of designers. 😏
Hopefully the V2 burrs will be a big improvement over the original burrs. It's a bit frustrating that Fellow released a grinder that so many of us feel the need to buy SSP burrs.
I'm just hoping that Fellow can do something similar for espresso. If they could get a thoughtfully designed (and good looking) espresso grinder at $300-500, that would get my business/move the industry to less pricey. Seems like you have to get a Niche to get decent espresso.
@@Kiaulen I think Lance’s recent video on grinders is a good place to start and I have gotten surprisingly good performance out of my Sette for espresso. I’d probably buy a niche if I were in your situation though.
I 100 percent advise you look into the Vario if needing espresso. cheaper than the niche and, imo, btter. I am hoping fellow eventually releases a 250 watt version
There was no link for the SSP and the Gorilla Hears are sold out. Could you provide a link for SSP? Great video by the way. Liked and subscribed😉!
Hey Lance!
I was hoping you could help here. I purchased the Ode with the standard burrs it's just not cutting it for me. The profile i'm getting out my beans (I brew light roasts) is just too clean and without character. I haven’t been able to grind it all the way at its lowest setting yet because they suggest waiting until I've ground 10 pounds. Since I’m brewing just for myself every day as I’m the only one in my house who drinks coffee, it's going to take forever.
I brew almost exclusively with a Hario v60 and an origami brewer = doing Japanese style flashbrew 98% of the time. I love the subtle notes that I get from brewing with that method.
One question is if you have tried the ode with the new SSP burrs with a single cup brewer (I too love the florals and fruit) and if you think that the 200 micron difference would solve that issue or if you think going with a grinder like the niche zero would be the right thing to do / do you think there is an ideal grinder for someone brewing with a quick brewer that can take slightly more finer grinds vs let's say the slow brew of the chemex.
I previously used (and still do) the barista brain grinder from OXO. When I can’t get a bean right with the ode (which is most of the time) I switch back to that one. I can tell that there are significantly more fines when I grind with that one, and it tastes like a very different cup when you get used to how clean the ode is.
I'd really love your take as ever since I got the ode my coffee game has been lacking.
Like you, I do mostly v60 and I also pondered the Niche. I decided against it because most people seem to suggest it can do filter coffee, but that’s not what it does best. I am currently considering DF64 as a replacement for my Ode. I love the brews I get from the Ode, but I don’t like the decision to orient the driven burr on the outside. It’s just backwards to me and I think leads to too many headaches
Hi! Thanks for this video! Any thoughts on whether to purchase an ode now and get the SSP burrs or whether the 2.0 is worth the wait (and hopefully lower price)?
Nice intro! Great video! 🙌
haha! Thank you so much
This only solidifies my decision to buy this grinder as my setup upgrade!
Absolutely! It is a great grinder with incredible workflow. I cannot stress that point enough
I was wondering what you think about the DF64 for filter in terms of taste and grind uniformity. I have one with the titanium coated burrs and have been thinking about getting an Ode just for filter because switching everyday between grinding for filter and espresso is quite the pain in the ass on the DF64. Do you think it'd be worth it and would I get the same grind quality with the stock burrs of the Ode.
that is a tough one. DF64 is a 250 watt motor, which is strong, but not quite strong enough to not notice dips in RPM when grinding dense beans. if you drink super light coffee, i would consider getting the ode. If darker coffees, you are fine with just df64 imo
Hi Lance, have you tried the Ode + SSP burrs for Moka Pot?
I have! Though, I'm not moka pot expert
Thanks for the reply Lance. What setting did you end up using for Moka Pot grinds? Also after installing the SSP burrs I've noticed that the auto power off doesn't happen consistently. Using the knocker while its still running seems to help.
To be honest, I don't recall haha!
Wow, I thought the SSP were expensive…
Till I checked out the gorilla gear burrs
Another great video😂
haha! Just to ensure- gorilla gear is in NZ dollars, so not as expensive as they seem! But still expensive.
Would you say that this is still the best filter coffee grinder with the (not released yet) v2 burrs, not the SSPs, over either new Baratza Vario Plus? My Vituoso is not working and I’m thinking of what grinder to purchase. It will be for filter/immersion only. Thanks for the amazing video!
Hard to say. The v2 burrs aren't yet finalized. Last version I tested, the vario wins. But you xan get fellow with ssp for same price as new vario
@@LanceHedrick Interseting. So the V2 burrs may still not make it a better filter grinder than the new Vario, but with the SSP it does (by a good amount according you). So it seems like the SSP burrs still good be substantially better than the v2 burrs that will come out. Ugh, decisions.
@@LanceHedrick I guess what I’m getting at is do you think the SSP burrs will still be substantially better than the v2 Ode burrs. I’m just trying to figure out if it’s worth waiting for the v2. Thank you!
What do you think about the Ode for Aeropres? Have heard conflicting accounts.
How would you say the Ode with SSP compares to the new Vario W+ for pour over. I have a Virutoso now and am looking to upgrade it to a flat burr grinder. I am between the Ode with SSP or the Vario W+.
Ode ssp for me, though vario is very good. Just be ready for incredibly clear cups
@@LanceHedrick Thanks for the reply. Would you say the Ode SSP is a huge difference between the Vario W+ (that has the steel burrs). I drink mostly medium roast coffee and occasionally light-medium roast. I do like the Ode but having had a Baratza and their support being so great I do like the idea of another one. Don't know much about Fellow in terms of long term reliability of the ode and support for it.
@@LanceHedrick What about the Commandante C40 or the Ode SSP if I decided to go with a hand grinder?
Great video! This may have been asked, but how does it compare to the comandante and JX pro?
What do you think about the mahlkonig x54 burrs if you've had any experience with them?
X54 has steel burrs which are the same ditting burrs that baratza vario modders have been adding for a long time. Lance did a great video on this. Good burrs. Yes. Not sure how they compare here to ode with ssp but good burrs. Also same burrs in vario w+ which is known as a good filter grinder. Hope that helps.
@@dawgman2256 X54 has one identical burr, but the other is different. Probably to allow it to grind for espresso without alignment.
@@jonas5666 Gotcha yeah I was mistaken. I just saw Steve Rhinehart who is super reputable and worked for Prima (now works for acaia) posted this on HB forum "The burrs are not the same Ditting burrs used in the Vario/Forte either. Should be interesting to see how they compare. Alicorned grinders are some seriously tough competition to beat in the cup."
My mistake! Thank you for the correction!
yes. i was misinformed by baratza who told me the x54 had the same burrs. they are, in fact, different. Well, one is. And not as good as the ditting burrs in the forte
Can't find the Gorilla burr link here or on Google.
Why didn’t they make the lid magnetic???
That is an absolutely great question and one that I will soon be asking haha
You really make me wish I was wealthy. Pokémon cards sales only go so far and keeping the wife happy is really hard when those boxes arrive almost daily with new little coffee gadgets/tools. I will have to settle for my modded Sette 30 with the 270 adjustment wheel and upgraded brew burrs for now as it really does me well (I use the brew burrs with the original wheel and the original burrs with the 270 wheel). Ever since I upgraded the burrs, my brews are pulling out the best from the green coffee I roast. I just roasted a Mexican Chiapas and a Guatemalan that are so damn tasty I am drinking them ALL day long.
Thanks again for another great video, Lance is Life!
That is awesome! I really like that grinder a lot. I still use it frequently
I hope this... fellow.. reviews the Ode Gen 2
hey! Gen 2 is great. Not massive changes, but definitely addresses concerns I had with gen 1!
This may not be the most appropriate video to ask, but you did mention it, so I'll ask anyway. I've always been confused about brew batch sizes and extraction, so I don't like to deviate from normal. For the sake of this question, let's say I'm usually brewing a Chemex with 30g of coffee and 500g of water with a target time of 4m30s. If I wanted to increase batch size, what else would have to change? Would I have to grind coarser? What about target time? Is it supposed to take longer or do I grind coarse enough to maintain that 4m30s? Does the inverse apply if I'm doing a smaller batch?
increasing dose weight will always come with disadvantages. Bigger doses, to an extent, tend to extract less evenly. I would definitely recommend hotter water, coarser grounds