Total War: SHOGUN 2 1vs1: Portuguese Tercos vs Line Infantry (Fall of the Samurai)

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  • Опубликовано: 17 окт 2024

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  • @sevchikshwed7433
    @sevchikshwed7433 2 года назад +83

    Cool video! Line infantry seem to have won just barely, really goes to show how powerful terços are, especially considering their melee prowess!

    • @dragon12234
      @dragon12234 2 года назад +15

      Funnily enough, for it to be a proper Terço it should be a few units of arquebusers surrounding a massive block of pikemen in the center.
      The gunners were the main offensive weapon of the formation, whilst the pikemen provided shelter against cavalry

    • @MyKingoflol
      @MyKingoflol 2 года назад +13

      @@dragon12234 generally yes that’s what a tercio formation was, but in Portugal the clung more to the name than the tactics. They continued to uses the name tercio regiment long after they stopped fielding pikes. I’m game they’re an ahistorical unit, but true tercio tactics are very much possible, with or without the Portuguese unit in your army.

    • @DIY_Miracle
      @DIY_Miracle 2 года назад +6

      @@MyKingoflol They could've chosen a number of unit types to represent the Portuguese, but I'm glad they just added one. Otherwise the Otomo meta army would just be stacks of Portuguese pike and shot instead of a mixed army

    • @TotalWar1vs1
      @TotalWar1vs1  2 года назад

      👍

    • @Hemdael
      @Hemdael 2 года назад +6

      @@DIY_Miracle What Otomo always devolves into with the Expanded Roster mod. Pikemen (Naginata Samurai stats, but with Long Yari and Yari Wall, for an insane spear wall) Tercio, Lancers (Takada Fire Cavalry stats), and a cannon or 2 for flavour. European armies are utterly OP. Fun though.

  • @Reactionary_Harkonnen
    @Reactionary_Harkonnen 2 года назад +140

    That seemed to be pretty close fight especially when the older unit was using older firearms. I'm sure their armor helped a lot.

    • @Freiherrvonkomunist
      @Freiherrvonkomunist 2 года назад +2

      And Aldo hace less men

    • @TotalWar1vs1
      @TotalWar1vs1  2 года назад +3

      😈

    • @ChutneyGames
      @ChutneyGames 2 года назад +2

      Does armour actually defend against guns in fits?

    • @TotalWar1vs1
      @TotalWar1vs1  2 года назад +12

      @@ChutneyGames I think NO. Bullets ignore armor in FOTS, 1 shot 1 kill.

    • @ChutneyGames
      @ChutneyGames 2 года назад +2

      @@TotalWar1vs1 rip ny imperial infantry with armour buff

  • @professorjgaming5923
    @professorjgaming5923 2 года назад +89

    It seems that the only reason the tercos lost was their inferior range and while they had better reload speed, their guns were still more difficult to reload then the mass produced rifles of the line infantry.

    • @DangeHD
      @DangeHD 2 года назад +20

      They had 80 men less than the line infantry and that is a lot of difference in Shogun. You rather have 1000men firing 1 arrow at once than 1 man firing 1000 arrows. Despite that the kneel fire ability is real strong ^^

    • @TotalWar1vs1
      @TotalWar1vs1  2 года назад +2

      👍

    • @fsdds1488
      @fsdds1488 2 года назад +2

      Reload skills doesn't mean actual reload speed as the game has different base stat for different weapons, such as damage, accuracy and reload speed, in older total war games like MTW2 the accuracy is entirely dependent on their weapons, which sadly ruled out any possibility to improve accuracy through experience.

  • @matiastorres1510
    @matiastorres1510 2 года назад +19

    This is probably more of a result of there being more line infantry than tercos. Lanchester's N square law and such

  • @Selvariabell
    @Selvariabell 2 года назад +41

    The fact that this match went down to the wire despite numerical and technological disadvantage tells something as to how good the Tercos actually are

  • @historytank5673
    @historytank5673 2 года назад +40

    Very gopod effort by the Portuguese Tercos but it seesm their out of date guns lack of range and their smaller unit size screwed them over

    • @francisluglio6611
      @francisluglio6611 2 года назад +6

      Very gopod indeed

    • @DimT670
      @DimT670 2 года назад +3

      Pretty realistic ngl

    • @TotalWar1vs1
      @TotalWar1vs1  2 года назад +2

      Yup 👍

    • @Hemdael
      @Hemdael 2 года назад +3

      Wonder if they'd have won if they just charged... Tercio have respectable melee stats and the charge advantage, or would the more accurate follow up volley have wiped em out?

    • @TotalWar1vs1
      @TotalWar1vs1  2 года назад +1

      @@Hemdael Okay bro, I'll test it soon.

  • @ГенадийСамобранцев
    @ГенадийСамобранцев 2 года назад +34

    Line infantry would do quite a bit better if they were in 2 ranks, that way they would be spread wider and all of their soldiers would get to shoot

  • @AkatsukiReji
    @AkatsukiReji 2 года назад +7

    For the record. Portugese tercios use aquabushier while line infantry use musket. So the faster reload from line infantry are pretty accurate

  • @Darkwizzrobe
    @Darkwizzrobe 2 года назад +9

    If Matchlock Kachi had similar stats to Portuguese Tercos they would be worth having.

  • @890Lester
    @890Lester 2 года назад +12

    That was interesting. Tercos did really well in this fight

    • @ParryHotter204
      @ParryHotter204 2 года назад +2

      Especially considering how many less men they had at the start. Nearly half the unit size of the LIne Infantry.

    • @Gigas0101
      @Gigas0101 2 года назад +1

      @@ParryHotter204 That and the losses from the initial exchange.

    • @TotalWar1vs1
      @TotalWar1vs1  2 года назад +1

      👍

  • @BillySnuggles
    @BillySnuggles 2 года назад +4

    Judging from this, have you determined that Fire By Rank is just too janky versus Kneel Fire/FOTS units?

    • @TotalWar1vs1
      @TotalWar1vs1  2 года назад +2

      Yeah, units with Fire by rank waste too much time to reform and prepare to fire, while units with Kneel fire open fire immediately.

  • @VentiVonOsterreich
    @VentiVonOsterreich 2 года назад +3

    When you forgot to upgrade your musketeers in Civ 5

  • @azerovendetta7774
    @azerovendetta7774 2 года назад +6

    Could you do clashes between infantry and cavalry from the attila total war? It could be interesting

    • @TotalWar1vs1
      @TotalWar1vs1  2 года назад

      I really want to make Attila videos but I cannot...
      There is no mod which lets me use all units as general in custom battle.

    • @Alelip1000
      @Alelip1000 2 года назад

      @@TotalWar1vs1 get someone to cooperate with you on a Versus multiplayer battle, and showcase the single units while the generals stand way back from the action
      first unit
      to rout loses

    • @azerovendetta7774
      @azerovendetta7774 2 года назад

      @@TotalWar1vs1 If you need a guy for use enemy army, let me know. Just prepare the tests you want to do before and in a moment we choose the different armies.

    • @TotalWar1vs1
      @TotalWar1vs1  2 года назад

      @@Alelip1000 Okay.

    • @TotalWar1vs1
      @TotalWar1vs1  2 года назад

      @@azerovendetta7774 Thank you bro. I will.

  • @atramp8999
    @atramp8999 2 года назад +10

    ah, if only the tercos could be armed with the same guns of the line inf they could do wonders

    • @Gabriel-ip6me
      @Gabriel-ip6me 2 года назад +10

      That's the Infanterie de Marine.

    • @TotalWar1vs1
      @TotalWar1vs1  2 года назад +2

      😈

    • @Selvariabell
      @Selvariabell 2 года назад +1

      @@Gabriel-ip6me Royal Marines and US Marines counts as well

  • @alejandrocadena4937
    @alejandrocadena4937 2 года назад +3

    a tournament between US Marines, British Marines and French Marines

  • @jamesyap8364
    @jamesyap8364 2 года назад +8

    I'm guessing small unit size screwed them over

    • @handsofrand6660
      @handsofrand6660 2 года назад +7

      that and the line infantry's rifles have a faster reload time than the tercos' matchlocks

    • @Falcon0BR
      @Falcon0BR 2 года назад +4

      That and because they shot first with kneel fire

    • @TotalWar1vs1
      @TotalWar1vs1  2 года назад

      👍

  • @yoloman3607
    @yoloman3607 2 года назад +5

    Tercos is loose formation probably would have lost half as many units to the first crippling volley

  • @DustyPazner
    @DustyPazner 2 года назад +4

    I wish they showed the flute player and the drummer in thr euro divisions.

  • @Arras13568
    @Arras13568 5 месяцев назад

    What is the fife music that the Portuguese tercio play called

    • @TotalWar1vs1
      @TotalWar1vs1  5 месяцев назад

      Here you are: ruclips.net/video/nx-GXdaF5Ds/видео.html
      It's from Napoleon Total War

    • @Arras13568
      @Arras13568 5 месяцев назад

      Thank you

    • @TotalWar1vs1
      @TotalWar1vs1  5 месяцев назад

      @@Arras13568 Welcome!

  • @aztecgoldmontizuma
    @aztecgoldmontizuma 2 года назад

    God damned, that with my favorite unit (Tercio) was an epic showdown.

  • @RafaelDelfes257
    @RafaelDelfes257 2 года назад +1

    I had an idea that helped me turn a battle.
    I used 2 groups of shooters, one in the front and one in the back, walking backwards and reloading.

  • @silasgabriel4462
    @silasgabriel4462 Год назад +1

    Portuguese when they find gold in Japan

  • @Predator20357
    @Predator20357 Год назад

    While I am late to this, I wonder if the Tercos would’ve been better off if they charged the line infantry with their swords instead. Though I am still impressed that the Tercos were able to hold quite a bit during the Gun v Gun fight despite being outdated in their weapons

    • @TotalWar1vs1
      @TotalWar1vs1  Год назад

      Hmm, I think the Tercos would rout before reaching Line Infantry

    • @Predator20357
      @Predator20357 Год назад

      @@TotalWar1vs1 I have tested it before and what I got was that you lose quite a bit of your Tercos but you are able to route them though this only works with line, matchlock, and levy infantry. Anything stronger and they will route before reaching them.

    • @TotalWar1vs1
      @TotalWar1vs1  Год назад +1

      @@Predator20357 Okay 👍

  • @liszarezo3658
    @liszarezo3658 2 года назад +2

    Longer range and more men are the most importatnt stat

  • @xXxSkyViperxXx
    @xXxSkyViperxXx 2 года назад +1

    hmm i guess the terços were armored but fewer, but the line infantry were unarmored but more

  • @AR-nq7cq
    @AR-nq7cq 2 года назад +3

    Glad to see Tercos lose for once.

    • @MarkhasSteelfort
      @MarkhasSteelfort 2 года назад +3

      Why would European soldiers have such high morale in Japan is beyond me.

    • @DimT670
      @DimT670 2 года назад +4

      @@MarkhasSteelfort incredible pay? Not to mention the Europeans who lived or went to Japan at the time were mostly willing avid adventurers which would mean high morale

    • @MarkhasSteelfort
      @MarkhasSteelfort 2 года назад +4

      @@DimT670 I don't think payment warrants having an equal morale to a Samurai. It's my opinion anyway.

    • @apvtethic8818
      @apvtethic8818 2 года назад +4

      @@DimT670 their morale is literally like 2/3 times higher than samurai units or monks, who supposedly fight for their nation, clan and beliefs in their own land. I hope for them they're getting at very least the equivalent of some millions euros monthly for that morale lmao

    • @TotalWar1vs1
      @TotalWar1vs1  2 года назад +2

      😈

  • @johnconnor8206
    @johnconnor8206 Год назад

    P2W vs 100s of years of technology

  • @hoangthinh241
    @hoangthinh241 2 года назад +3

    Ra vid đều thật bro ơi

    • @TotalWar1vs1
      @TotalWar1vs1  2 года назад +1

      Tôi làm sẵn cho mấy ngày, đặt lịch là lên thôi 😁

  • @MML-gk5xc
    @MML-gk5xc 5 месяцев назад

    Tacos

  • @trantrungnam612
    @trantrungnam612 2 года назад +1

    Had the tercos charged in, they may win the melee fight lol

    • @Gigas0101
      @Gigas0101 2 года назад

      I'd be interested in seeing how it plays out, as they were shredded and wavering when they reached their own musket range.

    • @TotalWar1vs1
      @TotalWar1vs1  2 года назад

      I think Tercos will retreat before reaching Line Infantry's line.

  • @nilocaballero6327
    @nilocaballero6327 2 года назад +1

    Tercos? será tercios

    • @JM-dy4ty
      @JM-dy4ty 2 года назад

      Terços. De Portugal.

    • @nilocaballero6327
      @nilocaballero6327 2 года назад

      @@JM-dy4ty terços es una copia de la formación tercio viejo de infantería española

  • @PaulAntoineLM
    @PaulAntoineLM 2 года назад

    Tecos has higher stats but quantity is quality :))

  • @MUTANG_Official
    @MUTANG_Official 2 года назад +1

    Can you do Vermillion bird force vs Shinsengumi in melee?