Do You Want Electronic Steering On Your Car?
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- Опубликовано: 6 сен 2024
- Scotty Kilmer, mechanic for the last 48 years, explains how many modern cars now use electronic power steering systems. They are different from the conventional hydraulic systems, and Scotty explains how they work.
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Please stop splurting crap. Lincolns had those settings in the EARLY 90s. My 95 Continental has 3 selectable modes on the message center. Town cars had a silder. Some Fords change steering tension at different speeds (EPAS), they boost on an evasive move on the freeway otherwise stay firm. These cars use a relief valve in the rack or pump.
Scotty Kilmer every time I turn my right tire sounds like it wants to break
2:19 😂😂 "You can still steer!"
*wheel completely locks*
"I am an old dog that can learn new tricks" Scotyy Kilmer, 2016. Respect to Scotty
This kind of system is all very well, because, as you showed, you still have a steering column linking the wheel to the rack. However, I hear increasing numbers of people in the motor industry saying that, in the near future, cars will start to have steer-by-wire systems, which will entirely negate the need for a physical steering column. That scares me. No way would I want a car with no direct link between the driver and the wheels.
right!
infinity already uses that...there is nothing connecting the steering wheel to the wheels
chevyLsx sounds dangerous
Last I checked in Oregon and washington state usa it's illegal to have no physical links to steering or brakes that's why you can't have hydo steering a lone
But why? I mean what is average consumer gaining from this?
Nothing, except an overly complex solution to make it easier to steer a car.
the mustang will still crash in to a wall and a group of people leaving a car meet
lmao
shows what a good driver can do
+DJFish8051 ayyyy lmao
+DJFish8051 ahahaah i was just looking at one of those mustang memes
+DJFish8051 Fuckin Not true I drive a 1993 Ford Police Interceptor And It has a bad power steering pump and my car drive fine other then the hard steering.
My car is so old it doesn't even have power steering 😂
badum tsss :D
Cars like that have good road feel
+Shane Blandford-Scherr Same :')
+Shane Blandford-Scherr HA HA HA My sister and brother in law bought my mom's 90 Honda CRX years ago and they put a rebuilt engine in it I heard it does not have power steering,they still drive it now.
my car is so old it dosn't have any steering at all
I like the new "Intro" and "outro." Makes your videos look a lot more professional and modern.
Same.
I liked it when he hoped out the trunk and other stuff 😂
+MichaelB450 ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°) I wonder why that mustang doesn't have ABS since he locks up his wheel :P
He disabled the ABS, you can do that. Just pull out the fuse for the ABS system and ABS will be disabled.
+MichaelB450 ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°) Could also be the track settings since it's a GT you can turn every driver assistance feature off from the menu inside.
It's fine as long as I can steer while I REV UP MY ENGINE
+RavenPrecept even cars with hydraulic PS locks the wheel with no key ..
Sick Klonoa profile pic! Kreygasm
I reved up my engine and now I have to take it to Scotty to fix :(
Super dangerous on any car at any speed. Feel thankful to have a cheap car with no column lock
Stefan Bacon LOL dangerous?? there is nothing dangerous about electronic powersteering, its actualy better than hydraulic
the people who accuse mr kilmer of being stuck in past are actually the people who don't even know about the past or maybe some pissed of mechanics who are jealous of him because he has broken the mechanic's code.
cobra R More like people are just upset he and many other like him complain constantly that things are changing.
Imperator Augustus changing for the worse
Use to drive cars with absolutely no power steering (and one of them I still do!). The trick was to get the car moving a little bit. Then it became much easier to steer. Only drawback is when making 3 point turns.
parking sucks. but I do love cars without power steering.
Mr. Kilmer always has a sense of humor in his videos. I want to comment that electronic power steering systems are not cheap to replace, hopefully the car is still under factory warranty or the owner has insurance policy to cover if the car is being involve in an accident.
The electronic power steering systems on some cars are hidden deep in the engine and require excessive labor time to remove and replace. Furthermore, some electronic power steering systems require a factory scan tool to re-calibrate the system when the replacement is completed.
I like how he is always on point and no bullshit talk.
Your neighbours must love it when you race up and down the street doing the intro's and outro's to your videos, revving up the engines and locking your brakes!
You're smart enough to know he doesn't *actually* do that *every* episode, right? He does it once, then "clips" it to the new episodes...
My comment was tongue-in-cheek, but in all seriousness there is at least 5 different versions in cars and his motorbike and do you think he managed them all in 1 take?
I think he's very entertaining btw
I've had it in all our vehicles since my 2005 MINI Cooper S. Love it!
from working on cars for many years I must add that scotty kilmer's channel is one of the greatest and best channels in youtube for diy his skill and knowledge is second to none while keeping a humble and modest attitude towards the job
Saludos de la Habana Cuba Scotty
finally scotty has hit the 'mid life crisis'
mustang gt 2016 :)
Mid life? More like end life dudes like 75 lol
+DE “AutoBravado” Nichols dont need any mercy lol
slyonme- Is that Nate chocking Conor out 😂
2:17 "I can still steer the car!" *_steering wheel locks_*
And before I get hate for saying that, yes, I know about steering column locks. I'm just joking around.
I've seen several reviews of journalists saying that electrical powersteering removes some road feel, like in the new Porsche 911s. Is that because the powersteering assists too much then? Seemingly as you said, the steering is still direct.
+Rottensteam of course, all depends on the design, as in this mustang , you can remove tons of the road feel with the softer setting, but get it all with the sport setting. don't know about porsches other than they are over priced over engineered money pits that ride like golf carts, but can handle.
+Scotty Kilmer lmao
Scotty Kilmer Haha good answer, however you have just alienated half of the internet😂😂
+Scotty Kilmer Love your videos, they have helped me a lot on my cars. Thanks Scotty
+Rottensteam Alright then so Scotty will have the other 10 billion..
"an old dog CAN learn new tricks!". Hahaha! I LOVE this guy! He reminds me of me!
it's more direct to hit the crowd better
VF28WWE Dont be that guy that gets off to beating a dead horse.
This is an old joke but for some reason it always cracks me up
Intellectual trash stereotype.
even classic car/mustang restorers are now putting in the electric assist steering, coupled in the steering column then directly to a manual rack n pinion with an adjustable knob to turn the sensitivity up and down, simple, clean, and able to adjust the road feel, awesome, i did it on my 65 fastback
Just make sure your car with electronic steering also has some kind of tyre pressure sensors, 'cuz the steering doesn't get heavier when you get a flat tyre like in the hydraulic power steering or unassisted steering.
Over here in Brazil, ABS has been mandatory in all cars for a couple of years now, TPS is basically only a thing in imported cars (which are crazy expensive)
+Kyle Damron electronic tps is not needed by laws that i know of its made into cars as that is what is cool at the moment and keeping up with technology
+Brasilisk abs is mandatory in most places around the world now so is SRS airbags, they are factory fitted into cars as a safety thing, all cars have them now and if they don't they are not allowed on roads in many country's, if they do not have airbags or abs the cars are made for dirt poor places like Africa and a-rab country's where there is no governing/safety law/s
It is a law in the US. According to the NHTSA,
"Consistent with the phase-in commencing October 5, 2005, *all new light vehicles must be equipped with a TPMS that meets the requirements of the standard by September 1, 2007*, with the following exceptions. Vehicle manufacturers need not meet the standard's requirements for the TPMS malfunction indicator and related owner's manual language until September 1, 2007 (i.e., at the end of the phase-in), and vehicles produced by final-stage manufacturers and alterers must be equipped with a compliant TPMS (including a malfunction indicator) by September 1, 2008. However, manufacturers may voluntarily certify vehicles to FMVSS No. 138 and earn carry-forward credits for compliant vehicles, produced in excess of the phase-in requirements, that are manufactured between April 8, 2005, and the conclusion of the phase-in."
Kyle Damron i have a 2017 rav4 it doesnt have TPS , and i live in the US.
Scotty my man with all these intro, transition burnouts, skid stops,revving, so cool that your neighbors are col with you down there in Texas, if I did that up here in NY, people would probably call the cops on me. LOL
Well I drive a 54 year old Falcon and I don't have Electric or Hydraulic. So nothing to worry about.(^_^)
my 2015 KIA Soul has the exact same steering option and I just love the comfort setting when parking in tight spaces.
I didn't even know power steering uses energy
that explains why whenever I turn the wheel, the engine idles just a little higher until I stop turning the wheel
very interesting Scotty
you are teaching me things I never knew existed on cars and can happen afterwards
Some power steering pumps have vacuum lines going to them. Whenever you turn the wheel, a valve in the pump opens up and raises the idle of the engine. I've bypassed that vacuum hose to see what would happen and the engine nearly stalled when I turned the wheel.
And Scotty , for the last few years there have been Electronic power steering for sale in the hot rod supply market (Speedway, Summit and more). I have used these new electronic power steering systems and they are terrific !! Dump all the hoses and pumps... They are totally the way to go...
I like the electric power-steering in my Mustang. I've never had any complaints about it. Frankly, it's one of the few things in modern cars that is actually *less* complicated than it used to be in older cars. Hydraulic power-steering is *such* a complicated mess! Electric power-steering is so much easier to deal with -- no high-pressure hydraulic lines, no maintenance -- it just works! Don't know why it hasn't been around for far longer.
Yeah until it goes out unexpectedly without any warning signs. Look up 2008-2012 Ford Escape power steering issues. Very dangerous. No warning signs like hydraulic
@@Dmgolfer22 if electric power steering fails, it still lets you steer, same as hydraulic. The steering force is higher when the power-steering goes out, same as hydraulic.
It’s not “steer-by-wire”. It’s physically connected to the wheels. You can still steer, even if power steering goes out.
Ever had a fan-belt break? Hydraulic power steering runs off of a fan belt. It snaps with no warning, and you’ve lost your power steering. It’s the same feeling as when the electric power steering blows a fuse or the torque-sensor goes bad (like in the recalled Ford Escapes you’re talking about.)
Just because it’s new doesn’t make it worse.
@@Dmgolfer22 you bought a ford, expect things to break
@@UriyZ9mb8e 97-2004 f150’s with the triton 5.4 were excellent trucks. Many still on the road today.
@@Dmgolfer22 a lot of the older fords lasted in terms of drivetrain and stuff but they were incredibly unsafe and very prone to rust, my buddy's got a 96 (11th gen) f150 and its rusted everywhere and breaking in almost every way possible with only 183k miles
I have to admit, driving my '72 Road Runner with manual steering helped to build my biceps when I was 22 years old. But I LOVE my electric power steering on my 2016 Impala LTZ.
that mustang is really nice!
I got vehicles, all garaged too. I had a 2008 Toyota Yaris TRD manual transmission vehicle with highway speed unnervingly-quick electric/electronic power steering. I sold it at 40k miles, and replaced it with a 2013 Toyota Camry SE TRD with a shiftable-automatic and have been much happier. The Toyota Camry Hybrid Continuously Variable Transmission (CVT) equipped vehicles are Taxi favorites in large cities too.
your neighborhood must love you because of that intro
My '97 Towncar had a slider on the dash by the headlight switch to adjust the steering wheel feel from loose to tight. That was a hydraulic system and I guess that's a similar end results as you were showing in the video. It can be done on a hydraulic system even if it's just "faked" by increasing the friction around the steering wheel while turning.
informative channel, well done. the dude reminds me of better call saul 😁
My 02 Accord had hydraulic power steering. My 13 has electronic. I don't miss the days where the hydraulic system was low on fluid and it'd whine as I'd make turns. Ended up replacing the pump and hose. It still had some issues when I sold it and I told the buyer that it was possibly needing a new rack and pinion (according to my mechanic). That 02 was a great car and I miss features it had that the 13 does not (conventional automatic, double wishbone suspension- to name a couple) but I don't miss the expensive repair costs.
No ABS on that Mustang ???
I'm a mechanic, i disconnected it to have some fun
Scotty Kilmer You are my man Scotty
Scotty Kilmer how to put a powe steering in a non-power steering car
Rohit S I clicked to ask the exact same question.
Scotty if thats the premium model hold the trac control button down for 5 sec it should shut off abs. or you can go to track mode i think that does the same thing
My 2006 Cadillac CTS has speed sensitive power steering. Super easy in the parking lot but stiffer on the highway. It uses the traditional fluid. So even the fluid type can change the sensitivity of the steering. By means of a solenoid on the steering rack.
My daughter has electronic power steering on her 2 year old CLA250. It broke already. When she went to start it, it had a steering fault warning and it wouldn't start. The fault must have disabled the starting. After a while it did start, probably because things cooled down some. So, if it fails it can strand you, at least in this car. The dealer said it was an $850 fix but it was under warranty. One word sums it up: Junk. Well, a few more words: Made to break.
Hydraulic pump, piston, belt. Pretty simple and reliable. And probably consumes less power than the electronic version. The car's alternator has to work harder to provide power to the steering motor. Plus conversion losses. I think they have to put a higher capacity alternator and a larger battery in to compensate. The wheels take a certain amount of energy to turn them. I think the difference is negligible.
If you pop a belt, the car still starts and you can drive it. If it leaks, you add fluid and live with it. I have never had a car that required a power steering repair other than a broken or loose belt. $10 for a belt and no dealer visit. $850 and a tow for the newer and better design if the car won't start.
11 months later, but still interesting points! thanks.
Gary Jones
I had 2003 Saturn Vue with electronic steering.
It drove like any other car with power steering an never gave me
any problems .
I traded it in last year with 140000 miles on it.
900 STX bro tell me how I have a 2007 Saturn Vue in my garage with 97,000 miles with no problems whatsoever with the electric steering.
Was debating on putting electric steering assistance on my bel air....now since Scotty approves I'm adding it to my list.
If it was up to Scotty Kilmer everyone would drive old Toyotas
And Hondas
And Ford's
I think electronic steering is one of the best inventions yet a lot less parts, only needs to work at low speeds, but which system do you like better? Column assist or rack assist motors?
I don't trust EPAS at all, apart from feeling like utter crap to drive, I've seen too many EPAS systems completely spazzing out. When they fail they don't just simply stop working, they tend to jerk all over the place. And those Power steering motors are strong enough to break a weak wrist.
Electronics are far more likely to fail over time and fail without warning, with hydraulic at least you'll get a bit of a leak and any half competent person can replace a pump or a hose cheaply, if your EPAS fails that will cost you an arm and a leg, and possibly life if you if fails at the wrong time.
You don't trust epas at all and believe it to be dangerous,, but how many of the millions upon millions of epas equipped cars have had accidents caused by power steering failure? An extremely small amount. You don't have much to worry about.
On the most European small cars, are the steering assistance electric, in most case is the assistance variable (no assistance at high speed). My car as a electric steering and i feel very well the road, i no see the difference with my older car with hydraulic steering...But the best steering i use in my life was the incredible DIRAVI steering from the 1970-1975 Citroën SM (2 turns for left to right, variable assistance with the speed, automatic return in line if release the wheel car parked...):with this system i found the car feels like respond directly at mind...
Troublesome at best. My f-150 has had FOUR steering racks replaced do to EPAS faults. I'd rather go back to hydraulic steering. I've only had one car in 25 years with a steering problem (blown pressure hose) with this truck I think four racks in a year and a half is unreliable and unreasonable. Thank god for factory warranty!
Epas systems are great systems, Ford just happen to make some of the worst.
+xTerraH I agree that they could work well. If ford would allow individual parts to be replaced it wouldn't be such an ordeal. The steering angle sensor is the no 1 part that fails on the ford EPAS racks. It can be removed and examined, yet it's not available as a separate service part. You have to buy the whole rack. I understand these parts are installed with calibration and special equipment. They just need to make that available to the service market if they want to continue to offer a reliable product.
+Roman Woolery Yep! That's the part number all right. From what I've seen they seem to last about 5,000 miles, then they fail
Actually, Nexteer Automotive makes the one for the ford F-150. They also make the one in the Chevy Silverado 1500, Challenger/Charger (I think they've moved to that by now), the Ram 1500, and Mustang. Source: I used to work at Nexteer.
+Sevalecan did your company make them new? Did they remanufacture them as well? Just wondering what units came back the most for rebuilding. Fords don't seem to last. The last rack my truck had has been the best one thus far. Fingers crossed! Thanks for commenting!
I have a 2011 Mustang with a 3.7 v6 and even though it doesn't have 3 options for steering it only has 1 I love the electric power steering so much easier to turn
Scotty how about a Mustang GT review?
Hydraulic steering assist can be modified, GM calls it magnasteer. My car has it, it's well assisted at low speeds and backs off at higher speeds where it's not as needed. Only thing is I can't change settings on it, but it's set up how I like it.
Thanks Scotty for the excellent explanation of something I didn't even know I cared about but might have balked at without your clearing the air. I too am an old dog that now knows a new trick. The improved gas milage is a real bonus too. Please keep up the good work.
electronic steering wheel are good!! that is why its break in this mustang! old mechanical technology built to last not like the new ones which built to cost you more to fix it !
In my experience, electric power steering often take some feeling out of the car. It seems that many cars filter out what the front wheels does more with electric steering. More over, I have never driven a car, that actually has more feeling in the steering wheel in sport mode, than in comfort. The only thing that seek to happen, is that it maeks the steering heavier in sport mode. But you stil have the same info from the front wheels up to your hands.
I remember driving an expensive high performance GM with electronic power steering, and traction control. I grew up driving out this OLD back road into Mesa and then into Phoenix Arizona on weekdays at night. There is no one out there and the paved portion has been used for at least 300 different television car commercials. That being said, it's good fun challenging road that deteriorates into a rocky dirt road worthy of the worst rock strewn strips of hell that World Rally Racing has to offer. I thought I was going to kill myself when the car's computerized steering & traction control tried to take over and correct for my driving. I recently found a 1951 State Farm USA Road Atlas in my uncle's barn, and that road was actually "THE" second, alternate route from Flagstaff to Phoenix back in 1951. I always wondered how all those 1940s cars wound up at the bottoms of all those cliff and ravines on that USFS fire road. It used to be State Highway! LMFAO! Now they have it posted with signage that reads, "Warning! This Road is NOT Recommended for Normal Passenger Vehicles". WOW! Imagine that road being shown on a road Atlas back when people were still driving Kaisers, Hudsons, Ramblers, Nashes, Edsels & De Sotos. No wonder the desert was littered with all those rusty dented up old hulks. My 1999 Blazer started running hot, and I actually was heading off I-70 for a service station when the "Check Gauges" warning lamp came on. I was already very well aware 235 degrees is NOT the vehicle's normal running temp, so I was seeking someplace to safely stop, investigate the problem, get water, assess the situation, let things cool off, and make some decisions. I flushed everything, and was running some Prestone flush, and distilled water, and decided to take my favorite road to go hotdogging on. Sometime ago the USFS has actually cleaned up all the old 1950s cars. I was never too happy with antilock brakes on the 22% grades, and switchbacks, but 4 Wheel Low works, quite well, it just slows you way way down. It's also better for the vehicle, your tires, your brakes, your suspension, etc. I came across some stretches of the road I had not driven in 27 years, and all the washes are paved now, so i had the steering wheel ripped out of my hands once or twice going from gravel to pavement. You need that kind of finesse or you will roll your vehicle 5 times and either smack into an embankment or roll down a cliff side. I drive part of that road very aggressively every October to get ready for winter. The pea gravel is a lot like driving in snow and ice, and I'd rather screw up out there than on an interstate highway I am sharing with semi trucks, snow plows and idiots.
Seth B
Seth B - I loved reading about your little history road lesson there bud. I'm 25 years old born and raised in the City
Of NY and sometimes we just take our cars 2-4hours into upstate where the roads are as empty as my heart is when I'm low on gas and let me tell you it's just a great feeling.....
I recently stopped to offer a ride to two women who hydroplaned their pickup truck 180 degrees, then smacked the K rail center divider, breaking the rear axle. They screwed up in a heavy downpour, not snow or ice. I was probably driving too fast for conditions too, but I am used to no traction, and sliding sideways, without going all the way around, ass over apple cart. I am glad you can get to some vacant roads close to the city too. Some people back east think of our roads out west as deathtraps, and they do have a valid point. My practice road is not frequently traveled during the week, but a hospital is fairly close by, unlike US 191 in Utah, where I would have to be flown to Denver or Salt Lake City for premium trauma center medical care. Oh, and we all drive like maniacs too.
Electric power steering definitely has come a long way. I drove a 2006 Pontiac Torrent (Chevy Equinox equivalent) and had to make a turnaround in a tight space. That steering was awful during quick cutbacks of the wheel. However, I now have a 2008 GMC Canyon (Chevy Colorado equivalent) and it doesn't have that issue at all. Even just 2 years made a big difference.
What could go wrong? motor goes out 1200 bux better get that extended warranty
I love my hydraulic p.Steering :) I feels like butter turning her into corners haha
Electronic power steering went out in my 2013 Fusion. $1800 to get that fixed and only the dealership can replace it because it has to be calibrated with a special computer.
Used to be able to get recon hydraulic power steering racks for about £400 a recon electric power steering for small car about £600 or £1200 new. Do not like the feel of some electric ones, seem to stiff compared to hydraulic!
I thought for sure Scotty was going to say don’t bother with electronic steering so the fuddy duddy comment was hilarious. Love these videos. Keep up the great work
Your new intro and your new car ❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤
+DementedButtHole I only have the cars for one week, I road test em.
I have a 2002 Saturn VUE that has electronic power steering. It is very responsive and works very well. Although a few years back the body control module went bad and caused the EPS and gauges not to work, I was still able to steer it until I got it repaired, my forearm muscles just got a little bigger!
then it glitch and the computer puts you through the wall. I prefer power steering
I'll admit, I didn't think Scotty would like it. I have it in my 2006 Cobalt SS and never had a problem with it. I'm at 106000 miles or so. Had the motor replaced for a GM recall but never had an issue.
Ever see when one of these systems has a serious fault lol. I've seen the steering wheel go totally beserk.
+RiceReaper Yup. I saw a car someone had installed aftermarket xenon headlights. The cheap ballast was placed on top of the steering ECU because it was convenient. Interference from the ballast caused the power assist to go berserk and start wildly throwing the steering wheel around.
+ChumpusRex
that is hilarious lol
That's one of the reasons I'm not sold on Electric power steering assist ( safety) and cost of ownership
RiceReaper also they're expensive i replaced the steering rack on a friend's 2010 fusion it was 2500 at the delaer, got one from a junkyard which didn't work, ended up getting a rebuilt unit from ebay 1400 later plus 250 labor and he was on his merry way.
my 2015 civic si has electronic steering and I absolutely love it. so precise
steering locked up 2:18
+mando vitsl It's the normal operation, when you turn your car off it lock the wheel so the thief have to go over something before steal your car.
Well... your comment backfired.
Spencer Smith real quick 😂
My mr2 sw20 has power assisted steering, An electric pump and pas fluid. The steering is super direct and awesome.
How do repair bills compare? Are those motors cheap/easy to replace vs a steering rack or ps pump?
on most, motors are cheaper to replace, but some require entire rack changing which costs a ton
But it will never leak. That's for sure!
Problem with hydrolic is that they are always leaking in old cars and very expensive to repair if the leak is from the rack and pinion. But I believe hydrolic system gives more natural feeling than the artificial electric system
So comparable is actually a pretty good word to describe the difference between the two. Sometimes the hydraulic rack & peanut units go bad too, and them ain't cheap either. Sorry, about the peanut comment. I had a lady come in and ask me about her "rack and peanut" steering. We used to call the little 5/8" spark plugs "peanut plugs" when they first started usurping the 13/16" plugs, but I'd never heard of rack & peanut steering before.
I've been driving with Electronic power steering since 2002 with my 2002 Saturn Vue. Love it! No problems ever.
What a cool dude! Subbed.
The 95 Lincoln town car I used to own had a vco ( variable controlled orifice) switch on the dash to change the steering feel from easy to firm. I really loved that car!
i'm surprised the mustang didn't crash
Something I'm missing out on?
+Justin P. - Just the latest tiresome internet meme.
It's the latest intellectual trash.
my 1985 corolla gts rack blew, best thing that happened to it! love the feel so much and its still easy to steer while parking
+30GB So now it's a real drivers car huh?
Now the only question is which is more expensive to repair?
+Bobby0345 both can be super expensive to repair, of course. Price out a hydraulic steering rack, they are expensive, as are the electronic motors on many electronic steering systems.
+Scotty Kilmer So its a draw? whats up with hydraulic steering being more widespread and thus cheaper to repair?
But then its just a rubber hose, in case of electronic steering I bet they replace the whole unit. And aftermarket replacement parts will also be harder to get since its probably more complex and harder to copy. If they're even allowed to copy their propriatary tech. I'm still a bit sceptical
+Mohamed Li Yep, hydraulic power steering is much more serviceable than electronic. In the hydraulic system, there are a lot of small cheap parts that might need replaced, such as o-rings. In an electronic system, there are just a few big parts that can be replaced (e.g. cables, motor, control unit). The hydraulic system can also be diagnosed and repaired by any DIYer or mechanic, but the electronic system will probably need to be handled entirely by the dealership.
+Mohamed Li The less fluids the better imo. I'd rather the electrical rack.
If you got sloppy hydrallic sterring, it usually is because the system is unrefined.
I remember my cousins Merc W124, No sloppyness while driving what so ever, plus, when the steering collom started to wear down, you could tighten a nut to stiffen up the steering and it would last an extra 200.000 km's
Doesn't really matter in this case cause Mustang owners don't use their steering wheels.
I like how he locks the steering wheel up at 2:15 and just moves on
2016 Mustang GT has electronic power steering - but no ABS???
+George Smith He may have turned it off for dramatic video purposes
Marco de la Peña You can do that?
pull the abs fuse
Yeah, i tought the same, why doesnt he have ABS, not sure you can turn it off on any car...
yeh you can pull the fuse or the wire right at the wheel
Learned to drive on a 1973 chevy 3/4 ton without power steering. Was very fun in the city. I really don't like the steering on new vehicles too smooth for me. Never drove anything with electronic steering yet though.
Yeh it's all great until something breaks and it costs $2500 to fix the computer or motor that drives the steering. Just like the "drive by wire" setup. Give me good ole fashioned hydraulic power steering and a actual throttle body connected to the accelerator any day over this computerized bs we gotta deal with now.
+jsciarri Well for things like traction control to exist, the car's computer must have access to the throttle, and the electric power steering eliminates lag.
Throttle won't break unless your car is an absolute shit pile, and if the power steering breaks you just have a regular steering.
+Dick Pickles Yeah, some people do "power steering delete" for weight reductions and better road feel for lightweight performance cars.
Power steering pumps are usually quite expensive as well (more expensive than some electric steering motors)
Actually, the throttle on these cars is completely electric. Meaning there are tons of sensors on them that you cant replace individually. So, when your car starts acting up, and it comes back as a TPS sensor going bad, prepare for a $500 part bill, and another $700 to put it on. New cars are junk anyway. most of them wont finish out this decade without being in a scrapyard somewhere.
@@Lrules364 Expensive and disposable. Well keep the mfg's in business and consumers in debt.
The best car ever built the original mini never had or needed power steering!
I thought he was gonna hate it like all the other modern gimmicks.
Yeah, especially seeing as how it's not very reliable, and co$t$ a lot when it breaks. It's WORTH hating! Hydraulic PS is unbelievably reliable...there's no reason to get rid of it, outside of 0.1 MPG gain.
My best girlfriend's car, a 2010 Hyundai i10, has EPS...when you turn the steering wheel quickly from left to right to left and so on (when parking into a small lot), the EPS probably gets hot - it shuts off and for a few minutes steering is very heavy! Well made, korean Engineers!
is that your new car scotty? i think you purchased a new car
+talha rehman it has manufacturer plates.....
Sometimes the eps doesn’t provide good feedback compared to a hydraulic assisted rack. But it’s about how the eps is tuned. The assistance torque can vary depending on speed and multiple modes can be implemented. At high speed the road feedback is often reduced so that you can keep the wheel straight without being affected by the road imperfections, that’s what I noticed with my eps (I disconnected the assistance and drove with no power steering to test that). Also a heavier car will require more assistance and you will get less feedback but that normally suits the vehicle type (for example SUV’s) so it’s more comfortable. Then the suspension is also important and weight balance because more weight to the front (like 65% ) means heavier unassisted steering so it requires more assistance. Another advantage is that automatic parking and lane assist or self driving can be done only using software since the motor can turn the wheels.
ha try disconnectiong the battery and then turn it. Are there any new cars for sale with no power steering? Its a useless feature imo.
+Joe Barbaro Dude, the car was off.. the electric motor had no power going to it, removing the battery wouldn't change anything..
Grant Nicholson So is the steering wheel physically connected to the steering rack?
SayWhat? Just because the starter motor receives juice when the car is off doesn't mean the power steering motor does as well.
Joe Barbaro Yes.
@@Scouter98 Yes it is. Also the Alfa Romeo 4C a current production car does not have any power steering. It also does not have gas struts on the trunk because the car is meant to be as light as possible which also why it has no power steering it weighs less than a tonne.
Went from an 06 Acura MDX to a 2015 Acura MDX with electronic steering. Feels like i'm playing a video game when driving it because of how assisted the steering is
Ok but let me tell you that hydraulic feels much more natural to the human being.
Joe3D that's either because you're more used to the hydrolic or you have a bad electric assist. Mines far sharper than my hydrolic.
Joe3D it's in your head
What if you are not a human being?
Feedback is not as organic through an electric motor as it was through fluid and pump.
I've had 3 Hyundai cars with electronic steering. They call it Motor Driven Power Steering or MDSP. I think it works great.
Now I wanna drive a mustang
I'll keep my manual rack and and pinion, I love it so much. the only draw back is that if you dont park correctly the first time then you are in for a workout
This is going to be very good movie. Wow.
Ask yourself if you really want approximately 900 discrete electronic and mechanical components, and 5000 lines of code between your steering wheel and the road at 70mph with your family strapped in the back seats.
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Sorry to disagree Drew; the argument that steering is maintained during failure is what manufactures tell the NTSB. EPAS failure modes in real life include sudden loss of assist, intermittent binding, and most dangerous; sudden non-commanded steering wheel actuation from mild to strong torque. I have personal experience with the most dangerous type; which pinned my vehicle into a curb while making sharp turn from stop.
In my opinion; one of the most critical errors associated with automobile design was introduction of highly complex electrical implementations throughput the industry. Potential for failure increases exponentially with level of complexity, and so does cost. Engineers love to design and redesign systems with no consideration for reliability, ease of maintenance or cost. The latest technology is not necessarily the best choice for many systems, and in the case of automotive design has reached a point of breakdown. A new Ford EPAS steering gear costs around $1,900.00, compared to hydraulic at $300.00. Ford's EPAS have failed by the millions and offered customers nothing but trouble and expense.
I own an old muscle car from the 70's; no computer, no engine electronics, no software. Most noted is fact this 70's vehicle has outlasted six brand new vehicles purchased over the years since. Vehicles designed and produced today include engineering implementations with quality level of coffee makers.
Old school!
Bah! Airplanes probably have 15000 lines of code between the yoke and the flight control surfaces.
This is true and also tragic, Comparing Boeing or Lockheed engineers, to Ford or GM engineers is like comparing spacecraft to Lego's.
I think they are still searching for that Boeing flight MH370 that flew off into oblivion over Malaysia. Personally I would prefer a mechanical joystick break off in my hand; over software error initiating command to nose-dive. At least the problem would be immediately understood.
K Smith You do not have to be that dramatic dude. Really, most of todays car's throttle do not even have a cable, those are fly-by-wire, what do you have to say about that ? where do you think the term FLY-BY-WIRE comes from? What about Parking Brake ? Electric too! No problem so far. 4WD systems ? With the touch of a button too! The first car with electric power steering system appeared in 1988 in a SUZUKI
Juan Gil
I was an electronic design engineer for over 35 years in robotics, automotive and aerospace. I remember one of the first CAN bus based DBW systems in automotive implementations. I also recall the first throttle pedal mechanically disconnected from the engine, and the first scanning LIDAR based autonomous vehicle. These concepts, though innovative and technically advanced; represent departure from simplistic, reliable and elegant design. Engineers often pursue ever more complex and technically advanced implementations; failing to understand or appreciate the beauty of design based on simplistic intrinsic philosophies. My entire professional career was built around high technology and complex implementations. I have come to appreciate the wisdom of de-escalation of technology in critical high-reliability implementations, and learned first hand that complex technology is not always the answer to ever-more challenging design problems. Replacing a simple hydraulic valve with 900 transistors, microprocessors, digital logic and code; is just plain dumb.
A big servo basically. A good thing. My car has servo steering love it. No high pressure hoses etc
I can't wait to pay $100k for a car that the government can take COMPLETE control of.
It's a Ford Mustang.. Government don't own any parts of Ford.. Maybe you're thinking of gm perhaps
+James Myers I believe the point Joe was making is that EPAS is computer controlled and very susceptible to being hacked., government or otherwise.
+brthdan okay the way he worded his statement made me think he was referring to the auto crisis. This system possibly can be hacked by anyone not just the government.
brthdan
That was my point. There's no reason for computer controlled anything in automobiles, just more siht to go wrong, and just adds to the price. For the do-it-yourselfer, it makes fixing your own car a real hassle. Besides I don't trust the government any further than I can projectile vomit. That's the only reason for this crap, for more government control. I give you Apple v. The FBI.
yeah right
I have mixed power steering: electric pump, that pumps fluid when it needs to, without making contant pressure by belt.
I just bought a 2012 Acura TL. It is the first car that I've ever driven that has electrical steering boost. It does feel very different than conventional power steering. I sense that it gives a very different feedback. It doesn't push back as hard but it is very responsive. Switching back and forth between my car that has conventional power steering does make me notice the difference. The electric steering is just different; no better and no worse.
Hey Scottie, Ford had a system called VAPS or Variable Assist Power Steering that was an option on some vehicles in the Mid-90's. I had a VAPS equipped Ford Taurus few years back. What the system would do is reduce Power steering hydraulic fluid input at higher speeds giving more stable steering, especially when cornering at higher speeds. The system was also fully hydraulically assisted. From my experience, the sloppiness in steering boxes usually comes from the gearbox itself, exacerbated by air caused by pump cavitation allowing the hydraulic system to lose its efficacy and "direct" feel. Loose tolerances and poor manufacturing quality lead to this especially in vehicles produced in the late 80's to 90's. That being said, I currently have a Mazda 3 that has Hydraulic power steering but it uses an electric pump (I'd imagine that the mustang is the same way). It's got great road feel for a budget minded car. They just figured out a better way to control the fluid flow with an electric pump rather than running a belt drive pump off the engine speed and using bleed valves to reduce pressure or flow like VAPS did. Just thought I'd share!
My Saturn had electronic steering it was the best. My Prius also has E steering and I have to say I am very pleased with the Prius steering. I don't drive the prius as I drove the saturn but there have been times I got in a hurry in the prius.
From old giddy study to another, I have an 06 THE, no issues with electronic boost steering. 207k miles!
YES! Both of my cars have EPS. One of them is 25 years-old.
My 2015 mazda 3 bm g120 has electronic power steering and it feels pretty good while driving in very tight corners
from memory the JDM toyota celica Fifth generation had adjustable power steering for there 4ws version which you can change it from sport mode to normal mode it could be a cut off/out for the rear steer though
i remember playing with this switch and it didn't do much by turning lock to lock, i assume that it works when moving at speed