Golf Club Fitting: Picking The Correct Shaft Flex

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  • Опубликовано: 6 фев 2020
  • A crucial element when it comes to finding the right golf clubs for your game is picking the correct #shaft flex. Unfortunately, there’s no industry standard when it comes to shaft #flex, which complicates the process. And as we all know, #golfers all have their own unique swings as it relates to speed, tempo, and transition. In this exclusive video, 2nd Swing master fitter James Tracy and 2nd Swing staff writer Drew Mahowald discuss shaft flex and tell you what you need to know about that aspect of #club #fitting.
    You can also find more information about club fitting at 2nd Swing at fitting.2ndswing.com/.
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  • @banditbaker1675
    @banditbaker1675 4 года назад +16

    Thanks for an excellent video that was very informative, the shirt analogy was really useful. One of the best descriptions for a shaft and what it does is that it is a "timing device". So a shaft that is a good match to the golfers swing allows them to deliver the clubface in an optimal way. Personally, I have found that I am very sensitive to the overall weight of a shaft, too light or too heavy and I just can't time my strike, but if I get the correct weight then I'm able to get the clubface in the zone. Thanks again.

  • @jasonmiller4080
    @jasonmiller4080 4 года назад +9

    Good video ya’ll. After years of much buying & testing all kinds of shafts online I can just say to go & get fitted.
    I swing around 90-100 mph with driver. And I have stiff shafts, regular shafts, and even a senior shaft in 1 of my woods. It’s definitely a whip but I’m so consistent with it and it feels great with enough crack and just plain works (although on paper it’s the worst shaft for me). So go get fitted ya’ll. It’s a bit more dough but money well spent

  • @roadsterbrew1852
    @roadsterbrew1852 Год назад

    This video really made me feel comfortable and realize that I have overthought so many times if I was making the incorrect decision. great vid, even better advice!

  • @chadtrahan3262
    @chadtrahan3262 3 года назад

    Wow! Incredible detail! Quite eye opening!

  • @dofgdesign
    @dofgdesign 3 года назад

    Incredibly helpful video. Thank you.

  • @donreinholz8121
    @donreinholz8121 3 года назад +2

    Great video but I was waiting for you to talk about torque and knickpoint as those can affect ball flight too.

  • @mattchu4487
    @mattchu4487 4 года назад +5

    Great video! James Tracy and the fitters at 2nd Swing are true professionals. Don’t buy a club without going to see them first!

  • @10UPn2DOWN
    @10UPn2DOWN 4 года назад

    Hey 2ndSwing, good info question? It would be best to profile the shafts in the EI scale. This would rule out mgf differences between stiff, reg, X etc. High bend, Low bend all in the same flex are all different to the same golfer. EI is the best tool to use. Thanks for the video and great service

  • @William45ish
    @William45ish 4 года назад +6

    I couldn’t agree with you more. After years of using “fitted” stock shafts on my new Drivers from a famous retail store. I finally booked for a Driver Shaft fitting by a fitting Professional at his studio. I did this as I’ve bought the new Taylormade Sim Max and was “supposedly fitted” with a Fujikura Ventos 6S stock shaft. I Drive the ball pretty well and quite far considering I’m 58 years old. I average around 150mph + ball speed with a nice high draw, as I do hit up on the ball between 3-5 degrees. but I felt that the ball was stalling as it went through the air.
    After about an hour of swinging with different shafts with the fitting pro, he showed me the shaft that was best suited to me. Yes my jaw nearly hit the floor and my eyes nearly popped out of my head when he told me that the shaft cost £300! But my launch was lower, my spin came down a lot, my accuracy and dispersion got better and my yardages improved. Needless to say that I purchased it.
    Here were my results beforehand.
    Fujikura Ventos 6S Blue. Swing Speed. 98mph. Spin 3350 Average Total distance. 233yds.
    Graphite Design Tour AD BB 7X. Swing Speed. 102mph. Spin 2450 Average Total distance 258yds.
    As you can see, there was a big difference. My advice to everyone is to try a Driver fitting out. It costs between £50-£75. You’re under no obligation to buy, but by god, it did open my eyes up as to how much distance you are losing by playing with the wrong shaft that doesn’t suit your swing.

    • @luisd8818
      @luisd8818 4 года назад

      William Ormonde wow I was thinking about doing the same before I buy my first iron set and looks like I will go do a fitting as well

    • @the_full_english
      @the_full_english 2 года назад

      @William Ormonde From the ‘£’ I’m assuming you’re in the uk. Can you let me know where you got fitted please as I’m interested if it’s close enough to me? Cheers

    • @William45ish
      @William45ish 2 года назад

      @@the_full_english I got my fitting done at Hedge End Golf centre in Southampton UK. The fitter was called Tom. If Southampton isn’t anywhere near you, then try Google to get your nearest Club fitter. A majority of these fitters are not Golf Professionals, they don’t try to change your swing, they adjust clubs to cater for your own swing. That’s exactly the service all PGA tour professionals get. Ie. Bubba Watson has 12 layers of tape applied under his Medium sized grips!! That’s insane isn’t it?

    • @leonamer4597
      @leonamer4597 2 года назад

      @@William45ish I do my own regripping, and I feel sorry for the person who has to regrip Bubba's clubs ! That's a ginormous stretch job to get the open end of the grip around so many layers, like a snake trying to eat an elephant whole !

  • @efreck12
    @efreck12 4 года назад +2

    Great video and my company is headquartered in the Minneapolis area and once COVID-19 is over my next trip will include a visit to your store!

    • @2ndswing
      @2ndswing  4 года назад

      Sounds great, Tom! We look forward to working with you!

  • @legend9018
    @legend9018 3 года назад

    Excellent. Can’t say enough about how my driving distance and accuracy improved after a proper fitting.

    • @austi16
      @austi16 2 года назад

      My first fitting was in college when the whole team got one lol and i kept all my same shit. It’s not the clubs if you suck

  • @redhed9776
    @redhed9776 4 года назад +1

    Best golf store for used clubs...have bought many from them. It's easier to switch shafts today than 10;yrs ago...thank goodness.

  • @scottruppert5365
    @scottruppert5365 2 года назад

    I'm a beginner dummy in the market for clubs ... this was Golf Shafts for Dummies ... AWE-freaking-Some .. well done

  • @Trump2024Kentucky
    @Trump2024Kentucky Год назад +1

    Very good general baseline to begin your fitting session. Weight of shaft is important as well. 40g, 50g, 60g, 70g ? Things carry by person and not necessarily by club head speed. Are you smooth, medium, or quick tempo?
    Ball height needed - High kick, Medium, low kick.
    Just so many things go into it and enormous choice of shafts.
    Need a good fitter. 👍🏼
    I wish there was someone near me.😞 Trial and error can get very expensive. 💰

  • @garysmith6994
    @garysmith6994 4 года назад +2

    Really knows his stuff

  • @tombarlok5045
    @tombarlok5045 3 года назад

    I’m not one to submit comments on videos that I watch but I searched to find how I could submit my comments relative to what was communicated in this video. Totally enjoyed the back and forth between the 2 participants. I am one of those guys that is trying to understand what driver shaft would be best for me. The content was completely understandable and easy to apply when I get fitted the next time around. I have had a few fitting sessions with the end result was that it was just OK. I have learned that you can’t go into a fitting with a particular shaft and driver combo in mind. If you go in thinking something specific you’ll probably leave the fitter with the combo you went in with. I live in Pennsylvania but my closest 2nd swing is in Wilmington Delaware. I’m hoping my next fitting (delaware) will be as helpful as this video. Thank you for your input.

    • @2ndswing
      @2ndswing  3 года назад

      Thank you Tom for taking the time to let us know ho we are doing! Would love to see you in for a fitting and we can tell you that there is no better way to improve your game than get fitted for your clubs. It’s the first step in improving your game.

  • @gavindavies164
    @gavindavies164 4 года назад +2

    Great vid

  • @THE_A.RAVEN1
    @THE_A.RAVEN1 2 месяца назад

    Driver SS of 109, 7iron SS of 91 - just got fit for Mitsubishi mmt graphite 105 stiff in my irons and wedges, but was fit into a regular flex motore shaft on my 4 hybrid. Stiff flex driver and 3wood. I love the feel and smooth energy transfer on the regular flex. Shattered my perception of shaft flex dynamics and showed me how little I know even as a scratch 😂

  • @David-mu5rv
    @David-mu5rv 2 года назад

    Thanks guys!

  • @harrykorver9690
    @harrykorver9690 4 года назад +3

    Thank you! Informative. What about weight? i have now completely switched to graphite shafts. In my irons the transfer was easier with stiff even if regular flex might have suited me better. Just went to graphite in my wedges to. rotex in cleveland rtx4. wedgeflex means stiff and heavier.. Not with you, bit our of the way from the Netherlands, Europe

  • @lettinggo2
    @lettinggo2 19 дней назад

    Very good video well explained.

  • @TOMMYBEETS
    @TOMMYBEETS 26 дней назад

    Now the issue I don’t take with this is my knowledge on knowing what I need. I’m not a shaft expert or a golf pro so I’m sure most people like me will benefit from just outsourcing to a fitting.

  • @agustinfeliciano9715
    @agustinfeliciano9715 4 года назад +4

    Great Video!!!!

    • @2ndswing
      @2ndswing  4 года назад +1

      Thank you for watching!

    • @agustinfeliciano9715
      @agustinfeliciano9715 4 года назад

      @@2ndswing is my modified F9 too light at C9??? F9 FUJIKURA PRO 61
      @ 44 1/2" (-6 SW)
      198 head
      049 grip (+2 SW)
      062 shaft 66 @ 43.25
      309 total aroud C9 swing weight
      (A heavy C9)

  • @Mj-CWO4
    @Mj-CWO4 2 года назад +2

    How does the kick points whether high mid or low affect how this fits in the flex scenario

  • @NovaScene
    @NovaScene 4 года назад +4

    Ventus (real deal Velo Core version) is in about 70% of tour players bags at the moment, every fitting bay should have that shaft in all the weights and flexes 🔥

    • @stephendibari5010
      @stephendibari5010 4 года назад

      @2ndswinggolf. Take note. I was told by Thomas about a month ago the Wilmington Tour van (Delaware) doesn’t carry the Ventus shaft. I’ll be coming down for a custom fit approximately June - August (I just started PT for my rotator cuff surgery i had in December 2019) and would like to try this Ventus Shaft with VeloCore. I have a new Ping G410+ driver w Ping Tour 65S shaft which I haven’t hit yet and want to compare this to MAVRIK, TM SIM MAX and Mizuno ST200. Along with Fairways and hybrids.

    • @NovaScene
      @NovaScene 3 года назад

      @@dr6124 What are you on about, tour usage is a true validation for shafts. They play TX flex and the rest of the users play a appropriate flex. What a stupid comment. 🤡

    • @austi16
      @austi16 2 года назад

      Diamana whiteboard

  • @stevenliew9723
    @stevenliew9723 3 года назад

    It is all about personal preference. Psychology plays a role as well apart from shaft weight, torque and kick point. I have a driver that I can hit at a range but not on a golf course and another driver that plays well on the golf course but so so on the range. Both shaft have identical weight, torque and are JDM (Japan Domestic Market).

  • @dinjo7628
    @dinjo7628 4 года назад +2

    Hi guys great video
    I was recently fitted for a titleist driver with a Mitsubishi 65g s flex tensi blue shaft . I have a taylormade driver which I love but reg flex shaft so my question is will the Mitsubishi shaft work in my driver 104 mph swing speed would love some advice thanks

  • @leonardball5067
    @leonardball5067 3 года назад +1

    I've used many different shafts. It seems to me an important thing to consider is the kick point?

  • @Brandon4EK
    @Brandon4EK 2 года назад +1

    I just started playing last May and over the last few months I've really gotten into it, so that question about "what club would you use to hit 150" was really helpful for me as someone looking for a new driver. I carry my 9 150 and my PW 135 so I'd probably use the PW for that distance anticipating some rollout and not wanting to roll off a green. By that logic I should be looking for a extra stiff- right now I'm using a regular flex and I notice extreme bend of the club when looking at my videos, so that change could help me out.

    • @tankeater
      @tankeater 2 года назад +1

      Tempo is a big thing. It's not smart to "muscle" a club (trying to make a 135 club go 150) start to practice 1/2 and 3/4 swings. Easiest way to practice that is by controlling how far you take your back swing. The other way is by learning "stinger" shots. That will make your PW not fly as high and get a better roll out. I do stingers by placing the ball about 1 full ball position back in my stance, others try to swing more down at the ball in the same position, just on preference.

    • @tankeater
      @tankeater 2 года назад +1

      Forgot 1 more thing... You can "grip down" on your club to take away some yards because your club head speed won't be as fast.

  • @coobay978
    @coobay978 3 года назад +22

    Shafts are like fish baits. Designed to catch the fisherman.

  • @brettlynn4969
    @brettlynn4969 3 года назад

    Still the numbers don’t lie.but good stuff and definitely need to be able to see the ball outside!

  • @ImanoffGolf
    @ImanoffGolf 2 года назад

    My question is whether the player who adapt to the shaft, or conversely, the shaft that should be appropriate for the player?

  • @firstreviewer8966
    @firstreviewer8966 3 года назад

    Well Done! FR

  • @28russ
    @28russ 3 года назад

    Thanks for the good simple explanation. I'm only 42 but my backs wrecked and I try not to swing too hard (if I can lol) and suspected I'd probably be better off with senior flex. I'd probably take a 5 wood or a maybe a hybrid form a 150 yards lol. Is their any difference between senior flex and ladies shafts?

    • @professordoom7953
      @professordoom7953 3 года назад +1

      Yeah, colors and lengths.

    • @28russ
      @28russ 3 года назад

      @@professordoom7953 Ah ok, makes sense. Girls shafts might even be better for me in my woods and driver then as I often feel like I want them just a bit shorter and grip down and them a bit. Thanks for the reply.

    • @professordoom7953
      @professordoom7953 3 года назад +1

      Russell Reilly Just try before you if you can. Don't get caught up in what you think you should have for one reason or another. Use the equipment that fits your game and you will enjoy this game much more.

  • @stephenmowforth3055
    @stephenmowforth3055 2 года назад

    Great video i live in England so cannot get fitted by you i was fitted for alta distanza 40g iron shafts and hit my 7 iron around 145 yards does this seem right to you as I am suffering with dispersion which I have never suffered with before. I used to play with ns pro stiff shafts

    • @2ndswing
      @2ndswing  2 года назад

      That seems too lights for your 7 iron distance. I would consider you around regular flex and probably heavier than those 40g shafts - Thomas

  • @commonman317
    @commonman317 2 года назад

    As a beginner, it just seems like it would take so much time in a fitting to find a shaft the works. My luck changed when I tried that Paul Wilson Body Swing. I'm 54, and just want a nice, easy swing to play golf for fun, and don't want to hurt myself. Maybe a senior flex shaft is the way to go?

    • @2ndswing
      @2ndswing  2 года назад

      Thanks for your feedback. It's definitely player dependent some golfers will notice differences in performance shaft to shaft, while others do not. - Thomas

  • @davidkemp1585
    @davidkemp1585 2 года назад

    I was fitted elsewhere for irons and ended up with Taylormade SIM OS with MAX KBS R/85 shafts. Recently I bought through 2nd Swing a set of Mizuno JPX 919 forged irons with graphite Project X LZ Tour 5.0 shafts. My Mizuno wedges (18s) have True Temper Dynamic Gold wedge shafts.
    I wanted that vaunted Mizuno feel and a higher launch than the Taylormade distance irons give me. I have played a few rounds with the Mizuno irons and I like the trajectory I am getting but I am not feeling the graphite shafts kick or much of anything at all. I am wishing that I was closer to Minneapolis and your fitters now. Generally how would you compare the graphite to the steel shafts I mentioned. I might find a time to drive up in the next few months

    • @2ndswing
      @2ndswing  2 года назад

      The LZ Tour graphite shafts still have some weight to them they will feel smoother than the steel shafts but comparing to the steel I wouldn't expect too much difference in weight and just a slight more kick. You may want to consider a little softer shaft yet for more feel and kick. - Thomas

  • @willemhaifetz-chen1588
    @willemhaifetz-chen1588 3 года назад

    Torque stiffness in Nm, flexpoint and weights... Any other factors?

  • @terrythomas790
    @terrythomas790 3 года назад +2

    So, in order to get fitted, are you committed to buying a new club there as well? Id like to get fitted and just have the shaft put into a head I already own. Do these shops do this? Or, can I get my fit with a certain brand and buy shafts on my own and put the set together?

    • @2ndswing
      @2ndswing  3 года назад

      We do offer fittings only at an hourly rate, depending on the type of fitting. More info here: fitting.2ndswing.info/

  • @robertschoessel1601
    @robertschoessel1601 Год назад +1

    Great video. It would be interesting if you put the shafts to the test with one golfer who does not know what shaft he has been given, then look at the stats. 5 or 10 shots with each shaft.

    • @2ndswing
      @2ndswing  Год назад

      sounds like an excellent idea for a video...

    • @steverobinson1979
      @steverobinson1979 Год назад

      It's been done, lots of videos that show next to no appreciable difference. Shaft flex for recreational golfers makes no difference.

  • @jeremydavidson9194
    @jeremydavidson9194 2 года назад +5

    How could you two babble on for 10 min plus and not get to variations of weight, torque, kick point, soft tip etc?

  • @JC-eq7jx
    @JC-eq7jx 2 года назад

    Is it fair to say that if I am a Reg shaft in irons that the same would apply to Driver and Fairway woods? My SS for 7 iron is 80mph and Driver, 92mph? Many thx.

  • @chrisjuhl801
    @chrisjuhl801 3 года назад +1

    I have found that bend profile is just as important as flex. Because of my fast tempo and vertical swing, I need a mid kick or mid flight shaft. Then worry about stuff or regular.

  • @douglassmith4464
    @douglassmith4464 3 года назад

    an anybody help me with something, my preferred shaft in my irons in a dynamic gold s300, I just can't afford to get fitted for a brand new driver whats the drive equivalent of the s300 in a driver shaft? Don't know if it works that way but the shaft I have in my driver the now seems far too light and hardly feels like a stiff, dont know if this makes sense but any help appreciated

  • @paekcello
    @paekcello Год назад

    Hi. I currently and have used an old taylormade r7 draw 460cc driver with the original regular flex for the last 15 years. I usually hit the driver somewhere between 210-240yds plus carry. I'm in the market for a new driver shaft to go along with this Callaway xr16 driver which currently has a ladies flex on it. What shaft do you recommend I try first? Also right off the bat, I was able to hit the xr driver the way it is set up about the same yardage as my old trusty driver.

    • @2ndswing
      @2ndswing  Год назад

      at 210-240 I would look around a heavier regular or lighter stiff shaft- Also you may pick up some distance by paying attention to the spin by trying different lofts - Thomas

  • @kevinzabel7264
    @kevinzabel7264 3 года назад

    what are the answers to the kbs shafts i just order them from callaway

  • @owenmarshall2599
    @owenmarshall2599 3 года назад +1

    I’m buying a set of irons but my swing speed just falls into the regular flex speed, I want to keep them for 10 plus years. I am relatively new to the game and progressing well. Should I go stiff or regular?

    • @2ndswing
      @2ndswing  3 года назад +1

      Hi Owen, thanks for the comment! Have you noticed your swing speed improving as you've played more golf?

    • @owenmarshall2599
      @owenmarshall2599 3 года назад

      2nd Swing Golf yes it’s definitely on the rise, I’ve made a few changes and am starting flexibility stuff every day

  • @Mj-CWO4
    @Mj-CWO4 3 года назад +1

    What’s the difference in performance between a stock shaft and a premium shaft for a 75mph swing speed

    • @2ndswing
      @2ndswing  3 года назад

      As we say so often, that will be player-dependent. All of the shafts feature different torque and tip points that drive different performance. Usually the difference between a stock shaft and an upcharge shaft is the materials in the shaft. Generally, more a performance difference is seen with a higher swing speed but you won't know without testing them

  • @brodygoalie
    @brodygoalie 3 года назад

    How about the weight of the shaft? How do you decide the best weight ? I assume the heavier the shaft A player with a swing speed of 100/105 for the driver. Young 23 years old. I assume a 70 or 80 wight is probably good?
    Thanks

    • @Ben59910
      @Ben59910 2 года назад +1

      I'm 26 and prefer stiffer shaft as I hit it a lot straighter, if it's too flexible for me I'll hook it left

  • @jacobmccain8082
    @jacobmccain8082 4 года назад +5

    What is the affect on the strengthening of lofts on the 150 question? I play my 7 at 34. Others I play with change from 34 all the way down to 28. So they would hit 8 or even 9 at 150 where I'm hitting a hard 8 or a smooth 7.

    • @BillMcGirr
      @BillMcGirr 4 года назад

      Jacob McCain
      I hear on this one... my 20 year old Burner super steel irons have got to 34-35’ on the 7 iron.
      Meanwhile others are hitting 9 or pw from 150.
      I tried out a random guys irons on the range last year... I’m left handed...
      And I was getting much more distance from his.
      I think most of these modern clubs are delofted.🙄

    • @2ndswing
      @2ndswing  4 года назад +2

      Hi Jacob, thanks for the question here. You make a good point about the lofts of the 7-iron. Our fitters have a good idea of the standard lofts of every iron model so they do take that into account when asking that question. One degree of loft can translate into about 3 yards, so a difference of 6 degrees can be nearly 20 yards of difference.

    • @theycallmekevin03
      @theycallmekevin03 3 года назад

      My 9 iron is 45° and that's my flat carry 150 club, my 7 iron is 36°. My 3 iron is 22° and then I go 3.5° per iron until 7 iron and then I switch to 4.5° loft difference. I always laugh when I guy swinging something like the Taylormade P790s thinks he hits a 7 iron 180+ yards when his 7 iron is 29° loft.

  • @bluzman1960
    @bluzman1960 2 года назад

    Have you done a review on the Steadfast Jupiter 1 carbon fiber shaft? They claim to be the longest and most accurate by Golf Laboratories testing. If not would you do a review of them

    • @2ndswing
      @2ndswing  2 года назад +1

      We have not, but this is added to our list if ideas, thank you! - Thomas

    • @bluzman1960
      @bluzman1960 2 года назад

      @@2ndswing excellent I’m looking forward to it

  • @mikepxg6406
    @mikepxg6406 2 года назад

    Shirt sizes from different manufacturers are slightly different just like shafts. Plus shirt sizes in USA are different to the rest of the world because of the obesity problem in the USA. If I visit USA I have to buy one size smaller than UK or EU.

  • @michaelwallace2927
    @michaelwallace2927 3 года назад

    I hit my 7 iron a 150 yd but its old set of ping eye also have a 9 Mizuno I can hit a 150 yd 😶 I have a fast swing and I always hit left And im constantly blamed it on my line😒 My medium flex Out drives my stiff flex But it's 2 different heads one Titlists one ping 🙃 You would think senior flex would help get more distance

  • @marlou9240
    @marlou9240 3 года назад

    So you re saying I'm hitting pro distances. I hit my pitching wedge 150 yards

  • @LuisSanchez-lu4cu
    @LuisSanchez-lu4cu 2 года назад +1

    So you ask what club for 150 yards a guy uses, two guys say a 7 iron.
    One guy is playing TA845s with 35*
    The other guy is using a g25 32*
    Iron.
    How does that work?
    I'm the guy playing 845s 35*@ 155 yards, if I had a jacked up loft it might be 165 or 170.
    So based on just club with no consideration of vintage you will make a suggestion?

    • @2ndswing
      @2ndswing  2 года назад +1

      Hi Luis. Our fitters will take into account the model of iron that the golfer is hitting in this instance, and will understand the impact of the loft. We also understand that it’s not the end all be all, but merely a factor in the discussion that ultimately leads to a recommendation

    • @tankeater
      @tankeater 2 года назад

      Yah, they'll definitely ask you what type of clubs you're hitting, if shaft lengths are + or -, if you've been fitted for lie... They're just giving you the just of it. That's why a normal fitting is multiple hours and not just a 11 min RUclips video

  • @nandujar
    @nandujar 3 года назад +4

    This video made feel like a tour player, 150yd out 9 iron to the sky every time.

    • @nandujar
      @nandujar 3 года назад +2

      It’ll land to the right or left of the green, I’ll two chip on then three putt....

  • @windyrun7979
    @windyrun7979 Год назад

    You might consider changing the analogy from shirts to shoes. No one wears shoes that don't fit and everyone knows that shoe sizes aren't the same across brands and the "last" or shape of shoes is different even though the size is the same. That said I buy and use stock shafts since my swing is "still under development" so am embarrassed to get fit :). The reason I watched this video is for tips on evaluation while developing my swing. Also, I wonder about the regular shaft I use in driver since videos show the shaft bending right before impact in a way the leaves club face open so leads me to believe I need stiff? but my swing speed is 80-85.

  • @mikerodrick2430
    @mikerodrick2430 3 года назад +1

    Are shafts universal within the same rating? All reg the same between manufacturers?

    • @2ndswing
      @2ndswing  3 года назад +1

      Thanks for watching! Not all regular shafts, stiff shafts, etc. are the same. There are different weights, torque levels, and kick points in shafts that will create different launch characteristics and different feels. Most manufacturers have their own set of "stock shafts" released with a particular club model to cover each of the shaft flexes, but these stock shafts are usually different from manufacturer to manufacturer.

    • @mikerodrick2430
      @mikerodrick2430 3 года назад

      @@2ndswing Could you recommend a specific manufacturer for senior shafts? 55g thanks!

  • @williamwilson6297
    @williamwilson6297 4 года назад

    Wouldn't the loft of your irons be a factor in what club you use from 150?

    • @habs7646
      @habs7646 4 года назад

      exactly what i was thinking.. if youre hitting a 42 degrees 9 iron versus those cranked lofts theres a diff of 2 clubs

    • @apaulmcdonough2170
      @apaulmcdonough2170 3 года назад

      True, however a GOOD Fitter would have the Customer hit a few shots with That Iron and "Spec" from That Club.

  • @johnk.atchley5079
    @johnk.atchley5079 3 года назад +1

    As you say, fitting is complex. Here's another wrinkle. When you ask someone what iron he or she uses for 150 yards, in addition to which number iron, whether an 8, 7 or 6, you also should take into account the lofts of the clubs that person uses, and possibly also the shaft length. And the weather and temperature. I have played forged blades for 20 plus years, still prefer them although I am 79. I have had Mizuno MP-33s and MP-67s. Two years ago, I got a set of classic forged blades that were designed and made for the golf range I go to by someone who, as I understand it, used to design clubs for one of the major club makers. They are basically a 20 year old design, look a bit like Mizuno MP-33s, have a very thin top line and narrow bottom. The pro I go to, who is also the club maker for that range, put a complete set together just for the heck of it. They have Rifle Lite steel shafts, stiff flex. I assumed the loft on the 7 iron was probably 34 degrees, similar to the Mizunos I have had. I love how they feel when hit correctly. Even though I am only a 16 to 18 handicapper, I just like to work hard at improving my swing and getting consistent center contact rather than looking for a game improvement type club with forgiveness. To me, that's how I enjoy golf. However, I have been somewhat frustrated this past year as I found I have lost about 15 yards on my 7 iron from what I thought it was 10 years ago. I attributed that to age and not playing as much as before. On the positive side, it has motivated me to study swing technique and practice a lot, and I have gained back some distance with better contact and trajectory. However, now I also know that at least half of that distance loss is due to a loft that is weaker than I knew. My 7 iron is even weaker than a Mizuno JPX921 forged 8 iron! That was really good to know, I feel better about my shorter distance. I can work with that, just like good players accept slightly less distance from, say, a Mizuno MP-20 in order to gain other advantages. But you can see that if you had asked me how far I hit my 7 iron, or what club I use for 150 yards, you would perhaps have thought I needed a lighter, more flexible shaft than is actually the case.

    • @theycallmekevin03
      @theycallmekevin03 3 года назад

      This is an extremely long statement but you are 100% correct. As soon as he said that I was like ok but my blades are a classic loft so the 45° loft 9 iron blade I swing for 150 would be a completely different club if I was to swing a club like the taylormade P790 that 45° is a PW. My 5 iron is -1° difference from a P790 7 iron. So no I don't hit my blade 7 iron 190 yards but I can a P790 7 iron that far cuz its the same loft as my 5 iron lol

    • @johnk.atchley5079
      @johnk.atchley5079 3 года назад

      @@theycallmekevin03 Agree with you. I recently asked the pro who made my clubs tell me what the loft is on my 7 iron. Turned out it is actually 35.5 degrees!! That is a weaker loft than most 8 irons, and in fact about a quarter of the way to a 9 iron. Research into the specs of different irons shows me that 7 iron lofts can range from 29 degrees to 36. So that explains why I hit a Mavrik 7 iron 160 yards on a demo day last year, while I have to really catch a perfect swing and contact on a warm day to get 140-145 with my current weak lofted blade, and more often just get 135, even 130 on recent cool days with some wind from the side and hurting.

  • @garyconstantino6408
    @garyconstantino6408 3 года назад +2

    How can I get this guy to fit me for clubs ?

    • @2ndswing
      @2ndswing  3 года назад

      Thanks for watching! You can visit our fitting website (fitting.2ndswing.info/) and schedule a fitting with James at our Minnetonka location.

  • @wesleyguan6833
    @wesleyguan6833 3 года назад

    Been playing golf for 7 months and I can hit my PW for 125 yards consistently at the driving range. What is my ability level? Or driving range doesn't tell anything lmao

    • @tankeater
      @tankeater 2 года назад

      Go to your local golf shop that has a GC or TrackMan. Find out your club head speed for your driver, 7 and PW... And just saying how far you hit your PW says nothing compared to how far you hit because degrees is what matters. Is it 48°, 45°, or a crazy loft like 42? But to know what flex works best for you, at least find out you driver club head speed. If it's around 110 X flex, lower then 105 S flex

  • @sageagbonkhese4091
    @sageagbonkhese4091 2 года назад

    Transition. Smooth vs fast.

  • @HabsFan64
    @HabsFan64 4 года назад +4

    Great vid. guys! Another reason to get fit!! Too many variables, go see a professional fitter!!

    • @vika0194
      @vika0194 4 года назад

      exactly, too many variables. And if you are not swingning like every day on your fitting day you will get an incorrect shaft. Too much to choose from for the fitters.

  • @ddeboy002
    @ddeboy002 3 года назад +1

    how much is a shaft fitting?

    • @stewartclifton3068
      @stewartclifton3068 2 года назад

      Local to me in UK a fitting is £20 which is deducted from price of club(s) if you make a purchase. Fitting time 1 hour, which seems very reasonable to me, though I'm not sure 1 hour is enough to sort out my issues ;)

  • @christopherborys7239
    @christopherborys7239 4 года назад +2

    The shirts sizes are standardized within the clothing industy. Golf flex is not standardized at all.

  • @cyphersimp5966
    @cyphersimp5966 11 месяцев назад

    I thought shafts were separated by swing speed na?

  • @nikamirmustapha4856
    @nikamirmustapha4856 3 года назад +1

    am i the only one who thinks they look alike apart from the hair?

  • @saintpatrick6681
    @saintpatrick6681 2 года назад

    it's all about color

  • @wahyupurwanto5379
    @wahyupurwanto5379 3 года назад

    What is M flex?

    • @chriscuomo9334
      @chriscuomo9334 2 месяца назад

      M stands for many. Each shaft has a different flex

  • @michaelcoughlin8238
    @michaelcoughlin8238 7 месяцев назад

    The shirt analogy is cute but it's not a match. A shirt is a single component that goes on a specific part of the body, that we are all very familiar with. A golf club is the opposite. It is one component of many within the club, it has many body parts using it, and we are not very familiar with it as amateurs. It is very difficult for the average golfer to determine whether it is his shaft, head, grip, or a multitude of body parts of his swing or setup that is causing or even just contributing to his poor results.

  • @tellwilliams4493
    @tellwilliams4493 Год назад

    cpm #

  • @timmcwhirter7413
    @timmcwhirter7413 Год назад

    Got girls working out

  • @aa33366
    @aa33366 Год назад

    What club you hit 150 using a regular flex club probably. He forgot to mention flex

    • @2ndswing
      @2ndswing  Год назад

      Yes many times we can get a starting point for shaft flex based on what club you hit 150 yards - Thomas

  • @alecharmson8961
    @alecharmson8961 2 года назад

    I must have a bizzare swing then as I hit my 6 iron (blade) 150 on the fly but driver I hit 270-280 on the fly 😅

  • @Labgorilla
    @Labgorilla Год назад

    Shaft length. Sure that is important. But flex? I think that is garbage. I have a 60g stiff flex for a 910D3 with 9g of lead tape. When I put a much much lighter head, like the ts3, it just feels like garbage. The ball flight is super weak and the ball stalls in the air. I think shafts are all about feel. You really do need a launch monitor and more importantly, a fitter , to help you find the right shaft and driver setting.

    • @2ndswing
      @2ndswing  Год назад

      It's important to test and compare it's going to be different for everyone. Flex and length can change by even just playing a longer or shorter shaft and how it's cut - Thomas

  • @brentonspeck8815
    @brentonspeck8815 3 года назад

    What! classified as a firm shaft.

  • @MrKryckan90
    @MrKryckan90 2 года назад

    Really like the vid, but what a horrible analogy :D "How long would it take you to notice your shirt is too big?". Quite quickly, even for me as a high handicap golfer. But consider this: "How long would it take you to loose 10 lbs?", which in that analogy would be "How long would it take to swing in a different way?". At least to me, that might only be 5 sec's, and in that way I could lose even 20 lbs from one stroke to another :)

  • @geolooker1265
    @geolooker1265 Год назад

    For 95% of average golfers this is all “USWAG”……. Unscientific wild ass guess. The manufacturer makes all of these extreme glandular shafts to isimply to increase sales.

  • @bryanhylok9961
    @bryanhylok9961 3 года назад

    Nice video but pros can spend 500$ on shafts us amatuers wont because we have to buy our clubs unlike pros big difference

  • @joevandijk2284
    @joevandijk2284 4 года назад

    Sorry. Another master of the obvious

  • @petermartinaitis8166
    @petermartinaitis8166 4 года назад

    And this is why the chance of an amateur getting the perfect shaft is virtually zero.

    • @2ndswing
      @2ndswing  4 года назад

      It doesn't have to be zero! Our fitters are trained and certified to fit for the best shaft possible that fits any golfer's swing and budget.

    • @petermartinaitis8166
      @petermartinaitis8166 Год назад

      @@2ndswing How long does a fitting take, in the UK you'll get not much more than one hour with very limited shaft choice.