This should have been a "Blind Test". Cover the Flex designation and then hand the Club to him. His knowing the Flex will setup "expectations" and Different swings.
I never realized how fast I swing the driver and just always used a stiff flex shaft. I kept getting low launching drives and sometimes even drove the ball directly into the ground off the tee, but actually squarely hit the ball. I couldn’t understand what was happening until I got fitted. Turns out my average club speed was 119mph and I was flexing the S shaft like a wet noodle. The club head was just lagging way behind my hands. I swapped to an X stiff shaft and it blew my mind! I’m launching every single drive and have so much more control over my shot. Do yourself a favor and find out your swing speed. It’s essential!
Mate. I'm currently using srixon 10.5 stiff flex n keep getting slices n tons of bad shots. Came across your comment n jz checked my swing speed avg is 120 mph. I think i need to try extra stiff too
Shaft profile is more of a factor than flex. I"ve got the Autoflex 505 and technically swing too fast for the "flex", although it squares up beautifully. Friends of mine that are in excess of 115 also hammer the ball. Look no further than Matt Blois hitting it 390. Like you stated in the beginning, results may vary. It might be a baseline to start with but it comes down to feel and timing for weight and strike location. Cheers fellas!
If you are consistently hitting the ball more than about 250-260 yards, most likely, stiff is better. However, there are a lot of variables at play here that can affect your driving distance besides your swing speed and tempo. Spin, attack angle, driver loft, etc all have an impact as well. A quick, less-scientific way to answer this: if your ball flight is on the higher side and you notice your ball spinning a bit, maybe floating more than others in the air, you may benefit from a stiffer shaft. If your ball flight is on the lower side, a regular flex may help you kick it up a bit.
@@2ndswing I tracked 4 of my drives yesterday, 238-279-254-220. All were high and to the left (I'm a lefty) Safe to say I knew stiff was the way to go so I went ahead with it. Preowned Callaway Epic Speed 10.5 degree from them directly so we will see what changes happen! Thanks for the response.
I was always led to believe if the shaft is too soft you hook the ball which is certainly the case for me, I switched to an X flex shaft and have hit the longest straightest drives of my life with it and my mis is now right not a hook into the left trees 👍
Nice!! Your initial point is true for some golfers, but not all. The right shaft flex is from a combination of swing speed and swing tempo. You most likely have a smoother tempo which allows a club with a softer shaft to pull the clubhead ahead of where it should be. Players with a quick transition at the top will actually see a softer shaft leave the clubhead too far back, if that makes sense
@2ndswing if you look at his data, the senior and regular flex gives him more carry and overall and consistent overall numbers. The stiffer it gets less carry and too much roll out with same total distance. From a swing component, he ismore balanced and weight shift and unload points are better. While the stiffer shafts he is working too hard, while it might ne OK for about 7-12 holes. Last 3-6 holes he'll probably lose it to the left more often with that swing.
Can an every day Joe benefit from a TPT shaft, 21 high or any of them have you ever thought about fitting outside the box going softer those long drive guy sure hit a long way can it benefit any of us normal players
More useless information. For the normal golfer, most of them cannot hit driver inside a booth. Plus, the computer will show you hit the ball 180 and the roll another 60 yds, C’mon! You need to go OUTSIDE to feel comfortable and actually see the ball flight dispersion and honest yardage.
We conduct all of our award-winning fittings inside our state-of-the-art fitting bays with Trackman technology. Plus, we offer a 30-day play guarantee so you can go try out your club(s) once you have it in the bag and see for yourself.
At avg CHS of 95-96 mph I’m at borderline of Stiff and Regular flex. Went with Stiff at my custom fit in my TSR3 at 2ndSwing DE. My Fitter Tom H. recommended i stay with stiff, so I don’t push my ball out to the right too much
After years of watching videos from this channel I’ll finally be headed to your neck of the woods for a business trip next week. Minnetonka specifically. I’ll definitely be dropping in to check things out.
@@2ndswing that trip actually got canceled but I was absolutely able to check out your Dallas location on a later trip and had an awesome 3wood and 7wood follow me home. I’m probably going to order some irons from you guys soon. Props to the service at your guys Dallas location as well.
Excellent video. I am playing the G430 Max with a stiff Alta cb shaft. I’ve known for some time that too soft a flex causes a wider dispersion for me. Agree with Kevin that playing a stiffer shaft tightens dispersion, but my shape becomes gentle fade, rather than slice, hook and anything in between. I also notice that launch is a bit lower and more consistent.
Great video, conventional opinions suggest stiffer shaft go left not right? Dispels the myth. I'm 66, 95mph club head speed and I use a XStiff Hzrdus??? Go figure...
It's not that black-and-white, because it also hinges on a player's tempo, not just the swing speed. For example, a player with quick swing tempo will find that a shaft too flexible will result in the clubhead lagging behind, thus keeping the face open and missing right.
I can say from my own experience I had everything in regular. I have been taking lessons and the person said to get checked by club head speed as he thought I was in the wrong shaft. I was I needed stiff shafts. Bought new irons and Irons are working great. I just changed the shafts and picked them up today in my driver, 5 wood, 7 wood. I have found from today that I am getting more consistent yardage I am getting around 15 yards more in distance. The biggest thing is that all my drives today were straight and in the fairway. They would usually tend to go right. Can’t explain why but I can say that the stiff flex shaft makes the club different for me and for me it works. I got the fujikura vista pro stiff 75 for driver and woods. Ping i525 irons is stiff 110
Cool vlog here and I totally understand which swing speed you need for the right shaft flex. You said that you were playing a Xtra stiff driver at 58 grams what is it a Autoflex or a Fujikura Ventus Red!
The roll yards are so exaggerated on these RUclips channels. PGA tour average driving roll yards are around 14-18 yards after carrying 285 yards. To get 30+ yards, it has to be perfect fairway in a dry condition with slight downhill.
2023 average carry was 275 with average total of 299.9 according PGA trackman data. That’s average, but I’d bet 30 yards is more common than 14 to 18. I just wouldn’t bet much until after April or May.
What happens if...the more flexibel shaft is heavier than the stiffer, i am very interrested in the outkome of that. Please try it if it´s possible !! Thanks 😃
I push or fade the ball to the right with a too stiff (XS+ or high CPM) shaft and hit a high loopy hook with a too soft (A or a superlight 45g-) shaft. And yes, I'm a righty. Definitely the opposite of your "gerneral rule":)
This should have been a "Blind Test". Cover the Flex designation and then hand the Club to him.
His knowing the Flex will setup "expectations" and Different swings.
I never realized how fast I swing the driver and just always used a stiff flex shaft. I kept getting low launching drives and sometimes even drove the ball directly into the ground off the tee, but actually squarely hit the ball. I couldn’t understand what was happening until I got fitted. Turns out my average club speed was 119mph and I was flexing the S shaft like a wet noodle. The club head was just lagging way behind my hands. I swapped to an X stiff shaft and it blew my mind! I’m launching every single drive and have so much more control over my shot. Do yourself a favor and find out your swing speed. It’s essential!
Mate. I'm currently using srixon 10.5 stiff flex n keep getting slices n tons of bad shots. Came across your comment n jz checked my swing speed avg is 120 mph. I think i need to try extra stiff too
If you loft up the stiff, more yardage? I'm working on a 15-17 launch and seeing better distance myself. Could you add that to a trial?
@@wardman7655 we sure can. Stay tuned
Shaft profile is more of a factor than flex. I"ve got the Autoflex 505 and technically swing too fast for the "flex", although it squares up beautifully. Friends of mine that are in excess of 115 also hammer the ball. Look no further than Matt Blois hitting it 390. Like you stated in the beginning, results may vary. It might be a baseline to start with but it comes down to feel and timing for weight and strike location. Cheers fellas!
Wait, when did Matt hit it 390?! I thought he was around my level with 120mph swing speed
@@BigDawgCAM when he was with TXG.
lets see it on the course and not some juiced up launch monitor used to sell shafts lol@@dzaino1986
I'm in between regular/stiff but I don't know my swing speed yet but I'm able to go 270 so I'm thinking stiff?
If you are consistently hitting the ball more than about 250-260 yards, most likely, stiff is better. However, there are a lot of variables at play here that can affect your driving distance besides your swing speed and tempo. Spin, attack angle, driver loft, etc all have an impact as well. A quick, less-scientific way to answer this: if your ball flight is on the higher side and you notice your ball spinning a bit, maybe floating more than others in the air, you may benefit from a stiffer shaft. If your ball flight is on the lower side, a regular flex may help you kick it up a bit.
@@2ndswing I tracked 4 of my drives yesterday, 238-279-254-220. All were high and to the left (I'm a lefty)
Safe to say I knew stiff was the way to go so I went ahead with it. Preowned Callaway Epic Speed 10.5 degree from them directly so we will see what changes happen!
Thanks for the response.
5 yards difference between 4 different weights and flexes. Won't make a difference on the card. Dispersion makes a big difference on the card.
I was always led to believe if the shaft is too soft you hook the ball which is certainly the case for me, I switched to an X flex shaft and have hit the longest straightest drives of my life with it and my mis is now right not a hook into the left trees 👍
Nice!! Your initial point is true for some golfers, but not all. The right shaft flex is from a combination of swing speed and swing tempo. You most likely have a smoother tempo which allows a club with a softer shaft to pull the clubhead ahead of where it should be. Players with a quick transition at the top will actually see a softer shaft leave the clubhead too far back, if that makes sense
@@richdarlowgolf love that
I’ve always thought it was the opposite. That too whippy of a shaft promotes a hook and too stiff a fade.
Hmmm
This guys swing made for senior or regular flex
Kevin fits himself into a light extra stiff shaft for his driver, but stiff for his woods and irons. A unique one for sure
@2ndswing if you look at his data, the senior and regular flex gives him more carry and overall and consistent overall numbers. The stiffer it gets less carry and too much roll out with same total distance. From a swing component, he ismore balanced and weight shift and unload points are better. While the stiffer shafts he is working too hard, while it might ne OK for about 7-12 holes. Last 3-6 holes he'll probably lose it to the left more often with that swing.
Can an every day Joe benefit from a TPT shaft, 21 high or any of them have you ever thought about fitting outside the box going softer those long drive guy sure hit a long way can it benefit any of us normal players
It’s not about the width of the shaft, it’s about the stiffness
More useless information. For the normal golfer, most of them cannot hit driver inside a booth. Plus, the computer will show you hit the ball 180 and the roll another 60 yds, C’mon! You need to go OUTSIDE to feel comfortable and actually see the ball flight dispersion and honest yardage.
We conduct all of our award-winning fittings inside our state-of-the-art fitting bays with Trackman technology. Plus, we offer a 30-day play guarantee so you can go try out your club(s) once you have it in the bag and see for yourself.
Recently went to the Dallas location… thought I walked into heaven! Staff were extremely friendly as well
@@colecole4774 love to hear that
@@2ndswingnow only if yall would open one in the Houston! ❤
At avg CHS of 95-96 mph I’m at borderline of Stiff and Regular flex. Went with Stiff at my custom fit in my TSR3 at 2ndSwing DE.
My Fitter Tom H. recommended i stay with stiff, so I don’t push my ball out to the right too much
How's it working out? I'm in the same boat
@@myst8217 awesome, best driver and shaft combo for me. Hzdrs Red CB 6.0 (stiff) 50 grams
After years of watching videos from this channel I’ll finally be headed to your neck of the woods for a business trip next week. Minnetonka specifically. I’ll definitely be dropping in to check things out.
@@TheMuffs2004 how was the trip? I wish we would have seen this earlier so we could have set you up for a fitting
@@2ndswing that trip actually got canceled but I was absolutely able to check out your Dallas location on a later trip and had an awesome 3wood and 7wood follow me home. I’m probably going to order some irons from you guys soon. Props to the service at your guys Dallas location as well.
How about a more flexible shaft with a lower loft?.
This was very helpful. I have always questioned the difference between regular flex and stiff flex.
@@JimmySmith-c6i thank you. Keep coming back for more
Excellent video. I am playing the G430 Max with a stiff Alta cb shaft. I’ve known for some time that too soft a flex causes a wider dispersion for me. Agree with Kevin that playing a stiffer shaft tightens dispersion, but my shape becomes gentle fade, rather than slice, hook and anything in between. I also notice that launch is a bit lower and more consistent.
i have the same setup and couldn't agree more.
Forget all the technical stuff until you can shoot bogie golf ( 18 hdc ) . Play every thing REG. Have fun!!!
Great video, conventional opinions suggest stiffer shaft go left not right? Dispels the myth. I'm 66, 95mph club head speed and I use a XStiff Hzrdus??? Go figure...
@@jerry2445 ha ha so true
does anyone know the correct shaft for 85 mph swing speed
I have the same SS and use senior flex, love it. Try it!
is the shaftweight the same, or...
Nope
I thought the softer shaft goes left (hook) and stiffer shafts go right (slice)?
It's not that black-and-white, because it also hinges on a player's tempo, not just the swing speed. For example, a player with quick swing tempo will find that a shaft too flexible will result in the clubhead lagging behind, thus keeping the face open and missing right.
This guy hits it solid most shots. S-Flex for me.
You’d be a terrible gang member 😂
oddly unique as have been wanting to see this exact test with these exact shafts, THX! WELL DONE!
@@pauld.103 thank you
Looks like stiff might be better fit for kevin. Like watching Kevin, need a good hitter swinging 85-90 as well. Thanks
Zzzzzzzzz
Excellent fitting discussion guys. Very interesting.
@@michaelreilly5888 thank you
I can say from my own experience I had everything in regular. I have been taking lessons and the person said to get checked by club head speed as he thought I was in the wrong shaft.
I was I needed stiff shafts. Bought new irons and Irons are working great. I just changed the shafts and picked them up today in my driver, 5 wood, 7 wood. I have found from today that I am getting more consistent yardage I am getting around 15 yards more in distance. The biggest thing is that all my drives today were straight and in the fairway. They would usually tend to go right. Can’t explain why but I can say that the stiff flex shaft makes the club different for me and for me it works. I got the fujikura vista pro stiff 75 for driver and woods. Ping i525 irons is stiff
110
Cool vlog here and I totally understand which swing speed you need for the right shaft flex. You said that you were playing a Xtra stiff driver at 58 grams what is it a Autoflex or a Fujikura Ventus Red!
Weight and profile is king not flex
What length were the shafts?
The roll yards are so exaggerated on these RUclips channels. PGA tour average driving roll yards are around 14-18 yards after carrying 285 yards. To get 30+ yards, it has to be perfect fairway in a dry condition with slight downhill.
2023 average carry was 275 with average total of 299.9 according PGA trackman data. That’s average, but I’d bet 30 yards is more common than 14 to 18. I just wouldn’t bet much until after April or May.
They have less spin on the ball than average golfers
What happens if...the more flexibel shaft is heavier than the stiffer, i am very interrested in the outkome of that. Please try it if it´s possible !! Thanks 😃
@@pellepettersson6564 we will get it in our cue
I push or fade the ball to the right with a too stiff (XS+ or high CPM) shaft and hit a high loopy hook with a too soft (A or a superlight 45g-) shaft. And yes, I'm a righty. Definitely the opposite of your "gerneral rule":)
Me too, I used a TX shaft for a bit and it would always miss right, whereas my current extra stiff always misses left
same here
Great vid
why can't you just answer the question. i don't want a life story
profile > flex. im smashing it now with a 50g S @177 BS.....chs 115-119 AND FWY