I loved the video and the ingenuity. My uncle, who just passed 2 months ago, was a mechanical genius that only had a high school education. He invented a triple stacked barrel used oil funace that produced no smoke. He made his own diesel fuel out of used motor oil and used fryer oil. He invented a new tractor pulling hitch for his brother's Super Stock pulling team to distribute the weight more evenly throughout the tractor and he taught me how to weld cast iron, which some folks think is impossible to do. It's good to see people still thinking outside the box.
I have no doubts that your setup works. You can do the same thing if the tank is empty and you spray carb cleaner down the throttle body from 4 feet away. One problem that can arise is diminished engine longevity. The atomized gas, whether by carb or injector, actually helps to cool the valves and piston crowns between ignition pulses. This is proved when someone is under-carbureating the racing engine in their daily driver or chronically running with clogged fuel injectors and finding the edges of their valves damaged or finding holes burned in their pistons. Your idea would be great if you had a limited fuel supply and needed to stretch it like if you're in the middle of the desert and develop a hole in your fuel tank but catch / smell it before you run out of gas. In my younger days, I had a 1966 Plymouth Fury with a 225 slant 6 engine. As an experiment, I clamped a vise grip on the rubber line to the gas filter, pulled the rubber hose off the PCV valve, took the tip off from a propane torch and clamped it to the PVC hose leading to the intake manifold. I turned on the propane and fired it up. It started and ran great until I tried to drive it. There's no throttle pump for gaseous fuel in that setup. In cars set up for LPG or LNG, the regulator is made to momentarily feed extra gas upon throttle up. I was young and didn't know that then. :) It would have worked fine for a constant speed setup like driving a generator or some other fixed position equipment where it wouldn't be lugged down too much as it didn't have a speed governor on it. Here's one for Jalopnik.com. I had a friend back in the 1970's that owned and drove a diesel dump truck for a paving company. He told me one time that he ran out of diesel and a resident of the street where the company was paving came out with a towel soaked in gasoline. The guy draped it over his air cleaner intake and had him start it up. It got him a city block to the next gas / fuel station. I told him that he was full of shit until he disconnected the fuel line from his truck and diverted into a gas can under the hood and repeated it in front of my house. It knocked like a bastard but it took him down the street.
I've been starting stubborn and or worn out diesels using gasoline fumes for decades, take a shop rag soaked, not dripping, with gasoline and put next to air intake and it will start even if its out of fuel. Thanks for the demo.
We had an old cat 3408 that would sit long periods and fuel drain back to the tank. Soak a shop rag in gas put over air intake screen and she fired up every time. Agree about glow plug danger, disable intake heater or glow plugs first!
LPG conversions are done in similar way. You can keep the fuel tank set up as well so you have a dual fuel set up. You can manually switch to gasoline or auto switch once the LPG tank is empty.
I've been wanting to do that for years, but heard so many negatives like, how to strain all the crap out, and the caking up of filter's, etc. I'd appreciate if you'd email me how you're making bio-diesel that won't cost me an arm and leg?
I am not making Bio diesel. I run straight veggie oil. Watch my other channel, veggiepower303 for info on veggie conversions. ruclips.net/video/nLSI2wZaVe4/видео.html
great idea bu very dangerous as an explosion and horrific fire in the engine compartment can occur. my brother had hideous scars on his legs from an accidental fire just from priming an carb for some women stuck on the side of the road. all they did is turn on the ignition, creating a spark
@@rogerd4559 what happened to your Friend was backfire and you can't make a engine backfire with vapor unless it's running too rich. But it wouldn't run actually because it has to be only vapor, liquid doesn't burn. So why do you want a severely inefficient engine when you can have something that runs better, no pollution, less friction, and you're getting more then what you're paying for. They make safety devices that would make it safe: check valves and flashback arrestors. I mean really, if running a gas vapor engine is dangerous, then no propane furnace, propane vehicles or propane grills! I mean unfortunate things do happen to people, but if the they made vehicles with vapor chambers, there would be no pollution or excessive spending on vehicles.
Hey Mac Guy, I did the same thing back in the 80's. I installed it on a 1968 6 cyl mustang, 1976 chry cordoba, and a jimmy truck. All ran great. My fume generation system was different from yours, but allowed the Chry to get up to 45 mph. It needed a better way to generate more fumes. BTW the mustang ran 4 hours and the gas gage never moved. I quit the the project as I wanted to live a full life.
I have been working on cars since i was 10 and the way i see it, is if we don't have ppl questioning what we could do with what was built to work in its original design. How can we move forward from that point or do we just wait for car industry to make this leaps for us. Everyone has an opinion and this is mine. In conclusion keep putting video like this to make us question what we can do on our mud ball! Way to go bro!!!
A carburetor is a liquid state to gas state converter. Yes liquid fuel goes into the cylinder, however it doesn't burn completely. Only the vapor burns. The liquid fuel remaining (even on the microscopic scale) is there to cool the top of the piston, the valves, and cylinder wall from melting down. Yes you can run your engine this way, you have just moved the "carb" farther from the engine. You are NOT doing your engine any favors by running it this way, it's in an extreme lean state. The flame ball during combustion in an engine can be around 1500 degrees. That is metal melting temperatures. Even if the liquid fuel doesn't burn, and let's say it's at a temperature of 700 degrees, that is less than half of the temperature of the flame ball, and it "absorbs" the heat generated and shoots out the exhaust pipe. The cooling system, oil, and engine itself radiate heat to further cool the metal. Long story short, you are ruining your rings, valves, valve seats, and probably melting holes through the tops of your pistons.
Careful, the last guy who tried this came up missing in the 60’s after big oil bought the idea. Great vid, I’ve always said fumes will run an engine, and there is proof. Stay safe.
Running on fumes causes the engine to run lean, which means there’s more oxygen being burned than normal. More oxygen means more heat and that can cause serious damage to the pistons and valves and possibly warp the heads, I’ve seen it happen more than once.
All IC engines run on “fumes” - evaporated fuel. In diesels the mist droplets sprayed by the injectors are vaporized by the hot compressed air in the combustion chamber and the remaining unvaporized droplets of most are vaporized by combustion heat. IC engines running on propane, propane/butane and natural gas don’t have to vaporize the fuel inside the engine as it’s already vaporized where it comes into the intake system.
Not really. A wood gasifier heats a sealed chamber with any cellulose based material inside and turns it into biochar and syngas, which is very much like natural gas. What he is doing is nothing like a wood gasifier; he's just pulling fuel vapor into the engine (which is what EVERY gasoline engine already runs on. The heat and pressure during the compression stroke help to vaporize the gasoline mist).
An internal combustion engine has to maintain a particular air/fuel ratio. When an engine runs lean, (not enough fuel mixed with the air), the combustion temperature get so hot it WILL melt the Pistons. My question is, how will gas vapor maintain combustion temperatures that are safe at all rpms, without the raw fuel mixed in to keep it correct. The fuel also cools, and lubricates some of the internal combustion parts. Even if the engine will run off vapor, I don't think it run long before catastrophic internal failure.
Sure it works. Once when my fuel pump died, I ran a hose from a vacuum line into a gas can. It ran very rich at idle, and leaner the more I opened the throttle, I could only go so fast because it would rapidly go too lean, but I got the mile or so home. This setup is atomizing the gasoline by bubbling it. There is zero air / fuel mixture control.
There is a large volume of saturated fuel vapor between the air cleaner housing and the "bubbler" you made in the gas can. I could see where a backfire could get a smidgen interesting. I'd love to have a peek at scan tool data and see what the AFR is. I bet it'll change a lot depending on how you drive the truck.
My first question would concern how well the engine would run on a cold morning. Whether by computer or carburetor, it still comes down to vapor pressure. Intake air temperature used to be optimized to 85F for better efficiency. That's why they had all those thermal vacuum switches years ago. As you'd drive over hills and through valleys and the temperature would change, the air would be alternately coming straight through the snorkel or be drawn over a hot exhaust manifold. An engine runs on fumes anyway, it's just that the atomized particles have such a larger surface to volume ratio than droplets that by the time those particles get into the cylinder, it's supposed to be all vapor anyway. Contrast that to engines that do repeated short hop driving. They will spend most of their time operating either under a choked condition, or with a cold start injector, or under a temperature dictated computer guideline. Either way, when those cooler, less atomized fuel droplets contact the cold cylinder wall, those vehicles will eventually develop fuel dilution in the crankcase, get thinned out oil, and premature engine wear. What I am visualizing with your concept is that, on a cold morning with the fuel vapor pressure being depressed, you would need a larger surface area of exposed fuel in order to meet the demands of driving on a cooler day. Of course, you wouldn't need all that extra surface area liberating fuel vapors on a hot day when the fuel is ambiently heated, so how would you control your ultimate fuel usage? I'd be curious to see what your fuel mileage would be at different temperatures. Also, if you are able to run at a given temperature, I would think your speed would be governed by that temperature and too much of a demand would lean out your mixture and the engine would falter. Don't get me wrong, I think you've come onto a terrific idea for possibly getting some cars to run in a SHTF scenario, although if there was an EMP, I doubt your engine would even have any means for ignition timing. But it does make one wonder. Interesting.
you can also use wood smoke to run a car to its called gasified or gasification about the same idea but but more complicated have to have the burn barrel then it goes through a radiator to cool it down then threw the lines into the carb
@microgun38 I was wondering the same thing. If it's fuel injected and when you press the gas pedal you push more fuel to be burned but the fuel pump relay was removed the engine might run on fumes but it is throttling on fuel being 'sucked' not pushed from the gas tank.
Microgun- Did you notice the little square hole cut in the fan shroud? Right at the opening of the clear hose, I think it acts as a mini turbo; there is probably a certain amount of 'lag' tho. My guess.
microgun38 it's not a diesel engine that uses fuel to increase speed, where as gas engines use a butterfly flap on the carb or throttle body to modulate speed. this is why the truck wants to turn off at stops, he needs a bleeder valve installed at a vacuum hose to let more vapor in.
I TRIED IT ON MY CHEVY LUV !! WORKED FINE UP TO 60 THEN FELL ON IT'S FACE !! Not enough fuel to supply demand. ! Good find. ! Use it every day to commute to work and so far use about 1/3 of normal usage of gas. THANKS.!!
dennis ryan do you know how the vehicle accelerates if the fuel injectors are no longer supplying the fuel? If you push on the throttle why or how does the car accelerate? Just trying to understand how it could work.
I’m a fuel hauler. My tanker is way way way more dangerous while m/t than full. Vapours are extremely flammable! We are trained to keep keys of the tractor in our pocket while offloading (so no one jumps in and takes off) because the tanks are slowly becoming a bomb while we are dumping our loads. In Canada, we use vapour lines to suck vapours in as we unload instead of letting them escape and gather in low areas (like a ditch or rain water drains) as they used to do. I believe this video 100%.
I knew this would work. I like your comment, & you are correct. During the time he has his engine operating, there is a lot of bubbles in the liquid fuel. This bubbling is the air being drawn through the pipes which go almost to the bottom of the container. You know how the rest works, & keep on truckin'
Woe! Thank you Rick! For your insight on fuel vapors. I never thought a fuel hauler could be more dangerous empty than full. I believe you 100% on what you say. But it got me thinking. Where do the vapors go? I am guessing when you empty your load, you are taking in the vapors from the tank you are filling. But when you refill your rig aren't the vapors lost some where to the atmosphere?
Great reply. You asked where the vapours go. I hope my answer is helpful. The vapours of the petroleum in the delivery trucks usually are drawn in by the method explained. These vapours are then sealed in the tank of the delivery truck. Prior to this, the vapours were allowed to be vented into the atmosphere, thus settling at ground level.
Brad Sizemore When I return to the refinery to reload I repeat the process with the vapour line. What the refinery does I’m not sure. If they are releasing vapours it’s probably much safer than in a crowded populous area.
That is actually correct. If you take a gas can with just fumes and strike a match to it, it will ignite and explode. Strike the same match to a full tank of gas and the liquid continuously feeds fumes to keep burning. Hence, no explosion from liquid.
@@mbruney3135 let's not get too technical, neither carburetor nor fuel injectors deliver fumes into the engine, gasoline will not evaporate fast enough to support a combustion engine that size, especially in a small can like that.
+mama: You are right, this system will not work under normal driving condition. (All it works for is to idle in the backyard, and to drive slowly around the block.) That said, by the time that the fuel is ignited in an engine at normal operating temp, the fuel is vaporized. If it was not, engineers would design things differently to assure that it is vaporized. And the change in design would obviously not include something like this. To believe the rubbish in this vid, you need to be well into belief in conspiracy theory, and kind of naïve to boot
That's how the first combustion engines in cars and motorcycles were fed with flamable mixture. Pretty crude. It is called the "Surface carburettor". It was used on the first Benz, Panhard- Levassoir, Werner, Hildebrand & Wolfmüller and many many more.
i beleive..back in 1975 just married ,young and dumb, i was out late with my husband helping some people fix their furnace in the back woods of ky. when we left their home, it was below freezing. the local gas station had closed so we tried to make it the interstate and that station was closed too. we got on the interstate and tied to make it to the truckstop at the next exit, nope we ran out of gas with 4 miles either direction and no traffic . the short of the story,he pulled out a small propane torch and layed it on the engine where the torch would fit inside the breather and turned the torch on (not lighting it just gas) and told me to crank the old station wagon. it took several tries to get the amount of gas right to run without dying. Lol it would surge and leap but we got to the truck stop. later i found out there was actually propane conversion kits available the local propane company used.
it's call scavenging because the engine is place under a vacuum. injectors are not needed BUT they add to the efficiency of the engine. injectors help atomize the fuel (from liquid to a vapor).
they atomize the fuel but they do not vapourize the fuel. that is why injectors still get lousy gas mileage. once your vapourize the fuel then you get great gas mileage and a visit from the men in black that tell you to stop showing people what your doing or they will kill you. that is why we are not running cars on water, they killed all the inventors. of course the idiots won't believe this because they are idiots and idiots are stupid.
I did that in my 93 Dodge Dakota with a glass pickle jar with insulation at the bottom of it then I put gas in it.. Got about 5 more miles per gallon. Found the ad for the instructions in the back of a Popular Mechanics magazine many many many years ago.
Without being roughly 13:1 ratio, an i.c. engine is on the "highway to hell".A fun little exercise with an old 'klunker' but don't kid yourself that this engine will run far before detonation will destroy it.
I’ve been a mechanic for years and have been telling people about this and no one believes me. Of course I haven’t had time or the ambition after wrenching all day to do it and prove this to them so I just wanted to thank you for making this video so I can show them. Well done sir
only the fumes in gasoline are flammable, the liquid is not. your injectors turn the liquid into vapor so it can burn! what you did only makes sense! Good job!
Actually your injectors don't turn gasoline into vapor, they simply make a fine mist that increases the surface area for oxygen in the air to bond with gasoline molecules but it's still liquid state gasoline.
@@derrickbonsell and it (injectors) are designed purposely to waste fuel, so the oil industry can sell more to us. I put together a water fuel system and went from 17 to 28mpg in a 2003 Chevy Suburban with the 5.3L engine. It was so quiet and smooth running, I kept reaching for the key at every stop sign to "restart" the motor, because it sounded like it wasn't even running! If I can do that from my garage, what can the engineers at GM and other car manufacturers do? MUCH more, like 20x better fuel economy easy, running on gas vapors and hydrogen/ oxygen ONLY.
Hey dumbass, that is what every fuel system does, but does it better. Do you really, REALLY, think that in that HOT, HOT environment that by the time the mixture enters the cyl, and is compressed, that it is not "vaporized". You guys are trying to fix things which don't need fixed.
It's obvious many are unaware this is not about making a quarter miler. One old boy living out on the beaches of Western Washington, decade upon decade ago, when fuel was still an hour and a half away, ran an old flat bed with a tank on the bed and a dryer vent sized hose running from it to the carb. He could, also, pump fuel straight to the carb when he needed to. The combo let him get up to speed then run in economy mode.
Hey, my Dodge truck had 180k mi when sold. Changed oil every 30k?...but changed filter every 10k. The trick was using Lucas Oil addative. Have190k mi on 2003 Mini Cooper. Doing same. Compression still w in Specs.(Castrol blended synthetic ). People brainwashed into throwing away good oil. Same w Spark Plugs. Use a file to 'square up' Grnd Electrode is all. I have only replaced a few 'bad' plugs in 15 yrs...figure it out.
We in South Africa are paying so much for fuel it is ridiculous. I'm constantly looking at improving my car's fuel efficiency. It makes a lot of sense and thank you for the clip. I have to agree with some of the remarks, I do think that one might hurt the engine if it does not get the appropriate amount of fuel-air-mixture. Like overheating and lubrication. Yet that was not the purpose of this clip, it was to proof that one can start and even drive a short distance with just fuel-air-vapor, which you've done! The next step is to make it safe, sustainable and constant for everyday use. Well done!
fuel is used as a coolant and a "lean" mix (stoichiometric) burns valves and piston. Leaning further fails to run UNLESS the fuel is a gas and not droplets. As a gas it will combust down to 3 percent. As droplets wont run.
I don't know what the problem is with so many of these folks that don't believe that you can run a vehicle using fumes because the Pogue carburetor which there was a book out back in the late seventies that I really wish I had bought then worked on the same principal vaporizing it absolutely as opposed to somewhat crudely like the average carburetor does.
nb26 I remember when I was a kid and Life Magazine was a thing. General Motors used to feature an automobile, one of those bullet nosed types from the 1950s, in which they claimed to have driven 1,056 miles on one gallon of gas. It was a famous ad and should not be difficult to find. What I want to know is where all of those wonderful Innovations went to-- I would be happy just to have a car that drives only say 120 miles per gallon....
Many years ago GM prototyped a hand full vapor cars on everything from gas disel and propane ,yes motors can and will run on fumes The issues was it is very unstable and hard to control in a flash fire.
This is a good thing to show people, the fact that you will be able to drive longer on fumes than wasting gallons of fuel the normal way. And yeah some might have a problem with that, but I think it is going to be a better to drive on fumes , since the car releases a lot less co2 emissions.
Riaan Yes so you could at least get home in an emergency , without a doubt I'll conceed that point .. But you obviously have little idea just HOW a Petrol (Gasoline ) for the Americans works in a basic Motor Vehicle ! What he has created is in essence a passive Carburetor - Yes an incredibly SIMPLE Carburetor !! Now irrespective of WHAT you do the combustible Fuel to O2 Ratio is CRITICAL, no MATTER what you do the vehicle IS still running on Fuel vapor, whether you use Injection this Device OR a regular Carburetor. This Mac Guy is a complete tool to start with, as is ANYONE that actually believes that there is any different between Electronic Injection or Carburation , is IS Identical in operation and the Motor doesn't care because it is getting Fuel, end or story . LPG - Liquefied Petroleum Gas or what the Yanks call Propane has and is being used in vehicles for a long time now and is less fuel efficient than Gasoline BUT is basically the same stuff and is In essence EXACTLY the same as is being drawn from the Canister shown here BUT with absolutely no mixture control it will likely use a significantly greater amount of Fuel than Injection OR Carburation , NO MATTER which way you slice it you are STILL using Gasoline - and the Calorific value of which due to the Laws of Physics remains the same when burnt, the trick is to get the efficiency to it's maximum whether it is Atomised (which eventually would be due to turbulence in the inlet tract) as the liquid Gasoline becomes Gaseous when mixed with the Air (remember ONLY the O2 is combustible !! ) everything changes state to become other compounds as a result of this High Temperature and Pressure combustion . As for the (Flashback) arresting Mesh well that is further mixing the Gasoline with the induced Air it's function as a flashback arrester is mute because it just isn't going to happen . The Whole lot of you really need to go back the School and starting with your Physics class move forward into Mechanical Engineering and actually understand what the fuck it is your trying to bullshit to other's about .
If you don't like what this man came up with to show and share it with us, then why don't you come up with something better then, giving me nothing but shit with a big mouth. So F off and go play with your chemistry set . Ek gee nie hel om wie jy is mie, jy is te arrogant vir jou eie self en jy weet niks vir watse redes ek hierdie video gelaaik het nie.
@@riaanbreedt5490 BUT what is the point ?? The information and claims that this fellow is raving on about are ABSOLUTE and TOTAL BS and as for coming up with something better ..... how about yeah NAH .. A regular Carburetor is far safer AND significantly more reliable
Wouldn't be much savings just lean running and burning valves why it sounds like a heap of shit better was his money and time fixing the car than Makin dangerous problems 😂😠
Tipiese mense soos jy weet nie vir wat ek die video gelike het nie en jy dink jy kan my beoordewl. Kry n lewe seUna jy is nog te nat agter die ore om van enige persoon so te praat met daai vuil mond.
Of course this will work, all cars run on fumes. They may be atomized in the injectors or carburetors but the engine heat turns the gas to fumes. And yes cars and trucks were modified in WWII to run on wood smoke. The advantage of injectors is to meter the amount of gas better than this system and to avoid a gallon of gas sloshing around in a plastic can adjacent to a hot engine.
True, just so long as you admit that NOT all of the fuel going into the cylinder gets vaporized there. That's why we have catalytic converters. Don't understand why they didn't just call them catalytic burners.
But there are a whole pile of tweekers around to be constantly trying to "fix" things that do not need to be fixed, and in hilarious ways. This is what the popularity of drugs has given us.
very cool, reminds me in the 1960s i worked at a gulf gas station and a guy had a cadillac with a leaking gas tank so he had a 5 gallon gas can behind the grille hooked up to the fuel pump, couldnt go far on that 5 gallons
I met a fellow who was a young man in Germany during the 2nd world war. He said that farmers were running their old beaters on wood fumes. They had cookers on the back of their vehicles they would load with wood chips and then seal that and cook it to get the fumes off to drive their vehicles. I think that there were some people in North America who did the same thing. No money or supplies to go around.
had to get a motor home down the road 43 miles from home ,fuel pump went bad, put a rubber hose in gas can put other in carb , poured a little gas down carb started an drove home like that on freeway , worked great!!!!!
Add a hot radiator hose into the fuel to heat up the fuel to vaporize more or a hot plate such as you have in a C Pac that vaprizes water . I had thought of this decades ago just never played around! great job!
I did this once with my propane tank! I ran out of gas (back in the carb days-a Ford pickup, '82 or so) and I hooked up the propane tank hose right to the intake line to the float bowl. It ran good enough with a combination of the valve and the gas pedal. If the tank gets cold though, you wouldn't get enough vapor to do much more than idle. Also, I had a '62 Falcon run out. My girlfriend had placed cases of hairspray in the back seat. (she sold at flea markets). I took off the power brake vacuum hose, and added a length of siphon hose I carried, which fit right inside that brake hose. Figured it would suck into the intake manifold. I had all the cans at the ready, and got it running, and after I struggled to get it to speed, I actually went several miles like this! I went through maybe 20 cans! Form about Halsted on I-57, south of Chicago, to 111th exit, and several blocks to an open gas station! You can run on a variety of vapors! A hot engine will run on diesel, and definitely on Coleman fuel, or #1 kero!
@@junkdeal Yeah actaully they have forklifts thay run off propane tanks, but doing it the way you did sounds really dangerous, Still amazing stuff here
I had a guy come over my house with a gas generator to show it can run on fumes. Making sure it wasn't a scam, I clamped the fuel intake line off. It worked great! He said it can run 10 times longer on the fumes than liquid gas. So a car should get 10 times the gas millage.
This is just making a Throttle body injector. TBIs are my favorite. It atomizes a little fuel into the intake plenum where much of it turns to fumes as it gets sucked into the cylinder. Injectors are trying to make the mist as fine as possible so most of the liquid drops can be burned, which is essentially forced vaporization. Its not very effecient, so you need emissions controls to deal with all the wasted fuel as well as byproducts. Othe things can still drop efficiency, but getting the most thorough fuel/air mix is always the goal. Way to think outside the box.
Years ago there was a video of a carburetor that worked like this. The man who made the video said he got about twice as much mileage with it. Apparently bubbling the air through the gas puts some gas in the air to make the fuel/air mixture. That video disappeared after about one day and I've never seen it since. That car, however; was carbureted rather than fuel injected. In yours, the fuel injectors are not being fed gas, because the fuel pump is disconnected, so it becomes a carbureted engine controlled by the butterfly valves in the intake that we could see with the air cleaner cover off. There's no reason it shouldn't work. The real question is whether or not it's more efficient than the fuel injectors. Oh, I would suggest using a system like a swimming snorkel to shut off the gas mixture from going into the engine compartment when it's not running. without that there could be an explosive mixture in the engine compartment.
my dad told me a story which he said back in the 60's in England his local mechanic was messing around with a ford escort panel van , and what he did was put a air pump connected to the petrol tank blowing bubles into it creating fuel vapor, he then had a bigger diameter hose going from fuel tank to carburetor and the car run of fumes, My dad said Shell bought the patent he made from it and paid him 500 000 pounds . He told my dad not to tell anyone as he was under contract to keep it secret and only told dad as he showed it to him and then the mechanic was never seen again. Not murdered he moved to spain , 500 000 pounds back in 1960 was a lot of money. So much for global warming how many free energy patents do you think oil company's have bought up.
Well, aren't you someone I would trust with a secret. You have any storys about mommy and daddy. LMBO you're just wrong man, just wrong. I do wanna thank you, I have laughed that hard in a long time.
@Mac Guy Cool video thanks for sharing! I've always wondered if you could work an engine with gas vapor fuel delivery as hard as the same engine with conventional carb or injection delivery? I was taught that the evaporation of the gas in the combustion chamber is a key factor in keeping the piston temps in check.
I know it is very little if none emissions and no cat needed, and the engine runs cooler longer life but, will the combustion chamber get to hot. I also use ATF fluid to get rid of the sludge and clean oil ring on piston, longer life and runs smoother.
I rebuilt my third engine from scratch to finish before graduating from high school, and that included blueprinting it. I became an aerospace engineer afterward, So before you criticize those of us who are attempting to explain how and why the misinformation is misinformation, and well as conveying reality, kindly learn the difference between "mechanical experience" and "mechanical mastery." Thank you.
heh; or vaporizing gas into small droplets / fumes before it hits the combustion chamber, we shall call it "Direct port fuel injection!" Would love to see a wideband AFR on this and see the air-fuel mixture. Somewhat impressive that it was correct enuff to run.
Hi Comment from Uk I worked with an engineer 50 years ago in Nottingham he re-engineered a propane valve to work the other way and ran a hot water pipe through the petrol tank to atomize the fuel and put the petrol fumes straight into the carb. We got over 100 miles to the gallon and no burnt valves or pistons.
you have to maintain somehow a decent AFR amount, that method just prove that it reach and maybe pass the minimum AFR ratio to run this engine, but idle is poor and maybe overtaking will be a bit too slughish for being reliable. But anyway no wonder it's working, your point is true.
+Michael: Sure he did, in your fantasies, that is why exactly no one is driving one of those "200 mpg" cars today. Believe me, if this "Pouge" did it, me and a million other capable people could do it too. I suppose next we are going to get into some real hilarious conspiracy theory, correct??
+ForAl: Do you define "its working" by the fact that it idles in his backyard, and drove slowly around the block?? What exactly is the "work" a car or pu is supposed to do? Hint: Install this on a pu truck, fill the back with firewood, set out on a 400 mi trip, entirely using this system, and get back to us. Oh, and on that trip drive from sealevel to 8000 ft altitudes. (You will never make that trip, btw). Oh, after you are done, demo that the engine will survive for oh, about 150k miles. This is what "working" is to be defined as........
The motor sucks in air automatically so that's how it's sucking in the air to the gas can. So when you press on the gas pedal it opens up the air intake more , which sucks in more air
I totally believe you, because I've done it, too. Among other tips, use a can that won't collapse under heavy suction. Like you did, have lots of air-in hoses going to the bottom so that the engine can 'breathe' well. Good work.
I see this all the time in my industry. Its basically a thermal oxidizer using an internal combustion engine. How good would the milage be is the better question.
THIS IS AS TRUE AS TRUE CAN BE. THE 100 MPG CAR THAT RAN A 1974 CHRYSLER BOAT RAN ON HEATED FUEL VAPOR. BIG OIL PURCHASED THE IDEA AND SHELVED IT AND THE GUY "DISAPEARED SHORTLY THERE AFTER.
I actually knew a guy that did this ran his truck on heated fuel vapors I believe it was called the pough system or something like that, the inventor did disappear however he had a son who published the technique for free
That's it I remember this guy had some copper tubing that he had wrapped around the exhaust manifold he had a switch over so he could test to see what kind of milage he would get with and without the heeated gas
In the comments down below, some smart-alecks say that the air/fuel mixture of running on fumes will destroy the engine. PLEASE! The status quo engine is designed to run at peak efficiency. Are you trolls saying that there are NO WORK-AROUNDS possible to run under different air-fuel mixtures. Let's all just give up then, because the best design has already been put forward. Best design for who - the oil companies!
The issue is how volatile the vapor mixture is prior to even entering the engine. It can ignite before it is supposed to and cause a fire in the intake manifold. That's why you see him install a spark arrestor screen in the air cleaner to prevent the spread of the fire. how effective it is I dunno. So Honda, Chevy, Ford... Don't want their cars catching fire and them getting sued. Doesn't mean it's not great technology... Just risky.
@@lliaolsen728 Lila, thanks, but the fact remains. An ordinary guy jerry-rigged a status quo fuel system at the cost of about 20 bucks. Is it dangerous? Absolutely! Can it be made safe? Sure. If there is financial motivation to do so. Do auto manufacturers get encouragement from the petroleum industry? Eyes open, please! Why did the NSA park its Big Show right next door to Ancestry dot com in Utah? Do you think there's a connection? WE are the Big Pay-off for a whole lot things in this world. THEY don't have to work, because WE do it FOR them.
I did this many years ago. I am currently 73. I was a young teenager I bought 851 Studebaker convertible. I stripped the body off from it in turned it into a dune buggy. Of course I had to make many modifications the wheels engine the fuel system. I rebuilt the engine. I came up with the idea of burning just gas fumes thinking back the intern would run more efficiently. My first try came from cutting a hole in the cop top of the guest paint and running a large diameter line did the intake carburetor. That didn't work as I got rugaas in that big line going to the engine. So I ended up running that line to another gas tank and then running a line from that gas tank up to the intake the engine. That work beautifully. I sold the doom buggy after running it on the Lake Michigan dunes for many months period. With no problems in the engine just lots of sand in my eyes . I then sold the dune buggy slash Studebaker convertible to a friend in it ran for many years with that fuel system. I did not burn the valves or pistons period the engine never overheated period I did have lots of power.
When I was in High School We did the same thing but in order to get it to high speed we used a fish tank aerator and stone and we where able to pull a 2500 lb trailer at 60 mph for just over an hour...This was back in the 80s when the speed limit was 55
He's not mixing the fuel with air in the same fashion. Carburetors atomize the fuel and then those tiny droplets have an easier time vaporizing. As the engine heats up the process becomes easier still. Cold air can reverse the process so it't important to have a some heat present either in the float, and early fuel heater screen, the air intake temp, or the manifold and engine itself. This video however shows a method by which air bubbles are saturated by fuel as it's forced to travel through the first set of tubes. Only vaporized fuel will be drawn up into the air intake through the second set of tubes, the heavier droplets are not picked up.
+Lila: You forgot to mention that this system will never be able to fuel a vehicle which is doing what vehicles are designed to do. Hint: they are not designed to idle in your back yard, or drive around the block. Perhaps you need some help with what they ARE designed to do......
That is remarkable! Have you perfected the design? Spoken to any car makers? Do you run you truck on fumes only now? What have you seen as your avg mpg? Is this dangerous? I'm very impressed, thank you for sharing.
There is no fule efficiency gain it is a basic carborator with less control of the oir fule mix and is more dangerous to use in the event of a backfire or mechanical problem such as a broken valve or bad valve that allows the combustion to leak back out of the intake
I would think why even carry liquid gas in the vehicle when you could just hose some vapor into a bottle. oh i know. the vapor is so highly volatile that any tiny leak could be quite hazardous and in a crash, you'd have a massive, deadly explosion
Works I've done it as an experiment few times. The bad part is running so lean, and no fuel as lubrication on rings and valves.. They will burn and prematurely fail.
As a lot of the comments say this does work and has been used all over the world for the past 100 years. The things that I am unsure about is that I don't think that the vehicle in this video or any vehicle would run that well being fuelled in this way and the fact that he puts the cover back on the fuse/relay box really makes me wonder if someone out of shot replaced the relay for the fuel pump.
Project Farm website does this using a lawn mower and glass jar so you can see exactly what's happening. It worked but ended up using nearly the same amount of fuel as running normally.
I have only two questions. What was under the relay cover when you replaced it? And why didn't you just leave the relay cover off while you were demonstrating the gas fume system?
Because that was he could have an assistant replace the fuel pump relay while he zoomed in on the air intake. Classic misdirection. Like any good magician....or snake oil salesman. If that isn't enough proof for the morons out there in youtube land, riddle me this: Why would he increase speed and rpm in his truck and motor respectively by actuation of the accelerator pedal when the gas is no longer being supplied by that action? Are we to believe that simply opening the air intake is enough to propel enough fumes into the engine to keep it running? He could have at least kept up the facade by actuating a small air supply motor to draw the fumes out of the can...that might have made it somewhat believable. Just in the ball park. But this is just laughable. An assistant had opportunity to remove and replace the fuel pump relay at will during the moments that mattered in the video, making it an obvious ploy. What is really concerning though....is the amount of people that fell for it.
@@omegazone5279 I believe depressing the gas pedal will open the carburetor throat to more air (oxygen) which allows for a greater burn of of the gas vapor. But Mac guy should do another video with a split screen that shows the entire truck during the entire operation as a better proof that no one else is meddling with the truck.
@@johnnyb3684 perhaps you missed when I addressed that clearly in my comment. At least give some sort of counter argument of WHY you believe that I am mistaken. Otherwise it is the equivalent of saying blindly, " Uh-Uh" and walking away. Let's say that it's because you think there is enough vacuum to draw the fumes from the container. Ok, you have all of this suction.....what is the rate of fume production in the can while under that small amount of vacuum? How do you plan to agitate the gas to achieve enough fume production to propel the engine, much less the vehicle? Is this even possible? So I guess what I'm saying is, ok - try this experiment on your car and film it just like this gentlemen did, except I would like you to leave the cover OFF of the fuse box and DON'T zoom in on things that dont matter so that everyone can clearly see that there has been no alteration to the configuration, specifically in regards to the fuel pump relay.
Tom Ogle discovered this in the '70's, big oil made sure most people forgot. Like one gent said, this super lean burn will eventually cook the head(s), but with the correct upgrades, it could work.
Thank you! i feel much safer now knowing that if theres an acopolypse zombie environement i '' be able to run my car on fumes as i am sure it will be hard to find gas.
Fuel is needed to keep the valves and pistons cooled. Too lean and stuff melts. I wonder why the engineers don't cool those parts (with oil or coolant) and run lean on fumes. It seems like it would increase mileage?
There's nothing new in this and there's no reason it wont work. The earliest gas engines used carburettors that worked just this way. It's just been so long since it was used nobody remembers it was ever a thing. Good luck.
The gas pedal controls the airflow vane & the air flow sucks fuel out of the float bowl - you have the mix set with the fuel can size, the fuel temp, the total size of the hoses & 2 or 3 other things ..... very cool!!!! It's a primitive air fuel mix supply!
It isn't really a question of if it can be done, but how practically can it be done. This is essentially how carburetors used to work and how fuel injection/propane engines currently work (except for the mix ratios). The entire principle of combustion engines is blending air and fuel into the optimal ratio to combust and produce mechanical power. Obviously there are downsides to doing it this way, as there was with carbs back in the day, but the principle is sound.
I loved the video and the ingenuity. My uncle, who just passed 2 months ago, was a mechanical genius that only had a high school education. He invented a triple stacked barrel used oil funace that produced no smoke. He made his own diesel fuel out of used motor oil and used fryer oil. He invented a new tractor pulling hitch for his brother's Super Stock pulling team to distribute the weight more evenly throughout the tractor and he taught me how to weld cast iron, which some folks think is impossible to do. It's good to see people still thinking outside the box.
I have no doubts that your setup works. You can do the same thing if the tank is empty and you spray carb cleaner down the throttle body from 4 feet away. One problem that can arise is diminished engine longevity. The atomized gas, whether by carb or injector, actually helps to cool the valves and piston crowns between ignition pulses. This is proved when someone is under-carbureating the racing engine in their daily driver or chronically running with clogged fuel injectors and finding the edges of their valves damaged or finding holes burned in their pistons. Your idea would be great if you had a limited fuel supply and needed to stretch it like if you're in the middle of the desert and develop a hole in your fuel tank but catch / smell it before you run out of gas. In my younger days, I had a 1966 Plymouth Fury with a 225 slant 6 engine. As an experiment, I clamped a vise grip on the rubber line to the gas filter, pulled the rubber hose off the PCV valve, took the tip off from a propane torch and clamped it to the PVC hose leading to the intake manifold. I turned on the propane and fired it up. It started and ran great until I tried to drive it. There's no throttle pump for gaseous fuel in that setup. In cars set up for LPG or LNG, the regulator is made to momentarily feed extra gas upon throttle up. I was young and didn't know that then. :) It would have worked fine for a constant speed setup like driving a generator or some other fixed position equipment where it wouldn't be lugged down too much as it didn't have a speed governor on it.
Here's one for Jalopnik.com. I had a friend back in the 1970's that owned and drove a diesel dump truck for a paving company. He told me one time that he ran out of diesel and a resident of the street where the company was paving came out with a towel soaked in gasoline. The guy draped it over his air cleaner intake and had him start it up. It got him a city block to the next gas / fuel station. I told him that he was full of shit until he disconnected the fuel line from his truck and diverted into a gas can under the hood and repeated it in front of my house. It knocked like a bastard but it took him down the street.
thats why he didnt stop at the stop signs! If you have no respect for your pistons or valves then this is acceptable i guess...
good video I am a retired Mechanic and I to can tell folks that does work and my Dad did it in the50's & 60's true story thank you.
I was first told about this about 63 years ago, by my physics teacher who ran water into his motorbike. Interesting.
I really admire how u went back to prove .. to that person .. what a slap. ..
I've been driving on fumes for years it's called being broke, lol....
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I would give that one two thumbs up if I could
I hear ya brother. My fuel gauge has been on empty so long I'm not sure if the damn thing even works anymore.
hehe my low gad light is always on my truck run out of gas about 5 times a week surprise my fuel pump still works
I've been starting stubborn and or worn out diesels using gasoline fumes for decades, take a shop rag soaked, not dripping, with gasoline and put next to air intake and it will start even if its out of fuel. Thanks for the demo.
I'ma try that in auto shop
Avoid this as a hot glow plug may cause pre-detonation and a fire in the engine bay
We had an old cat 3408 that would sit long periods and fuel drain back to the tank. Soak a shop rag in gas put over air intake screen and she fired up every time. Agree about glow plug danger, disable intake heater or glow plugs first!
LPG conversions are done in similar way. You can keep the fuel tank set up as well so you have a dual fuel set up. You can manually switch to gasoline or auto switch once the LPG tank is empty.
L.p. burns dry and needs an oil source to keep from ruining the engine.
Yeah, some people don't belive you can run Diesels on free veggie oil from restaurants.
I've been doing it for 9 years.
Hey Bud.. What process is needed to run diesel on vege oil? Strained??? I guess..Anything else? Just in the tank and go????
Watch my other channel, veggiepower303 for info on veggie conversions.
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I've been wanting to do that for years, but heard so many negatives like, how to strain all the crap out, and the caking up of filter's, etc. I'd appreciate if you'd email me how you're making bio-diesel that won't cost me an arm and leg?
I am not making Bio diesel.
I run straight veggie oil.
Watch my other channel, veggiepower303 for info on veggie conversions.
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@@EvenStarLoveAnanda is this available only for diesel engine cars?
You've basically just reinvented what is known as the "surface discharge carburettor" a very crude tool indeed!
great idea bu very dangerous as an explosion and horrific fire in the engine compartment can occur. my brother had hideous scars on his legs from an accidental fire just from priming an carb for some women stuck on the side of the road. all they did is turn on the ignition, creating a spark
@@rogerd4559 what happened to your Friend was backfire and you can't make a engine backfire with vapor unless it's running too rich. But it wouldn't run actually because it has to be only vapor, liquid doesn't burn.
So why do you want a severely inefficient engine when you can have something that runs better, no pollution, less friction, and you're getting more then what you're paying for.
They make safety devices that would make it safe: check valves and flashback arrestors.
I mean really, if running a gas vapor engine is dangerous, then no propane furnace, propane vehicles or propane grills!
I mean unfortunate things do happen to people, but if the they made vehicles with vapor chambers, there would be no pollution or excessive spending on vehicles.
Hey Mac Guy, I did the same thing back in the 80's. I installed it on a 1968 6 cyl mustang, 1976 chry cordoba, and a jimmy truck. All ran great. My fume generation system was different from yours, but allowed the Chry to get up to 45 mph. It needed a better way to generate more fumes. BTW the mustang ran 4 hours and the gas gage never moved. I quit the the project as I wanted to live a full life.
Clarence I don't know why but I am just now seeing this, however I love your comment. The end part made me laugh. Thanks
I have been working on cars since i was 10 and the way i see it, is if we don't have ppl questioning what we could do with what was built to work in its original design. How can we move forward from that point or do we just wait for car industry to make this leaps for us. Everyone has an opinion and this is mine. In conclusion keep putting video like this to make us question what we can do on our mud ball! Way to go bro!!!
Electric.
A carburetor is a liquid state to gas state converter. Yes liquid fuel goes into the cylinder, however it doesn't burn completely. Only the vapor burns. The liquid fuel remaining (even on the microscopic scale) is there to cool the top of the piston, the valves, and cylinder wall from melting down. Yes you can run your engine this way, you have just moved the "carb" farther from the engine. You are NOT doing your engine any favors by running it this way, it's in an extreme lean state. The flame ball during combustion in an engine can be around 1500 degrees. That is metal melting temperatures. Even if the liquid fuel doesn't burn, and let's say it's at a temperature of 700 degrees, that is less than half of the temperature of the flame ball, and it "absorbs" the heat generated and shoots out the exhaust pipe. The cooling system, oil, and engine itself radiate heat to further cool the metal. Long story short, you are ruining your rings, valves, valve seats, and probably melting holes through the tops of your pistons.
So this is basically a bong for the truck
A bong for your truck so you can save and keep the good one packed....
You had me at bong hahahahah
Yeah come a he needs to share this with Cheech and Chong.
every truck or car uses the same bong but this bong gets air unlike your bong
It's a reverse dinosaur funeral bong.
Careful, the last guy who tried this came up missing in the 60’s after big oil bought the idea. Great vid, I’ve always said fumes will run an engine, and there is proof. Stay safe.
He is still around, he just will not sell his system.
It burns so clean you can have car running in closed garage and no fumes
It’s not bullshit but this isn’t that much more efficient that running it on liquid gas. It’s been tested and everything.
And he saves gas too
That guy was from a documentary called Gas Hole and yes they bought his invention and wacked him out in Navada. Nice video
Running on fumes causes the engine to run lean, which means there’s more oxygen being burned than normal. More oxygen means more heat and that can cause serious damage to the pistons and valves and possibly warp the heads, I’ve seen it happen more than once.
All IC engines run on “fumes” - evaporated fuel.
In diesels the mist droplets sprayed by the injectors are vaporized by the hot compressed air in the combustion chamber and the remaining unvaporized droplets of most are vaporized by combustion heat.
IC engines running on propane, propane/butane and natural gas don’t have to vaporize the fuel inside the engine as it’s already vaporized where it comes into the intake system.
It's the same concept as a gasifier..where they burned wood to release oil from the logs and the engines used it as fuel
Not really. A wood gasifier heats a sealed chamber with any cellulose based material inside and turns it into biochar and syngas, which is very much like natural gas. What he is doing is nothing like a wood gasifier; he's just pulling fuel vapor into the engine (which is what EVERY gasoline engine already runs on. The heat and pressure during the compression stroke help to vaporize the gasoline mist).
An internal combustion engine has to maintain a particular air/fuel ratio. When an engine runs lean, (not enough fuel mixed with the air), the combustion temperature get so hot it WILL melt the Pistons.
My question is, how will gas vapor maintain combustion temperatures that are safe at all rpms, without the raw fuel mixed in to keep it correct. The fuel also cools, and lubricates some of the internal combustion parts. Even if the engine will run off vapor, I don't think it run long before catastrophic internal failure.
So you trai to telass you run the car whit vapor gasoline only fantastic I want to do this in my car too
exactly thats why the old fuels contained lead... lubrication is better than detonation
Sure it works. Once when my fuel pump died, I ran a hose from a vacuum line into a gas can. It ran very rich at idle, and leaner the more I opened the throttle, I could only go so fast because it would rapidly go too lean, but I got the mile or so home. This setup is atomizing the gasoline by bubbling it. There is zero air / fuel mixture control.
That duct tape look just like Oklahoma Chrome
There is a large volume of saturated fuel vapor between the air cleaner housing and the "bubbler" you made in the gas can. I could see where a backfire could get a smidgen interesting. I'd love to have a peek at scan tool data and see what the AFR is. I bet it'll change a lot depending on how you drive the truck.
My first question would concern how well the engine would run on a cold morning. Whether by computer or carburetor, it still comes down to vapor pressure. Intake air temperature used to be optimized to 85F for better efficiency. That's why they had all those thermal vacuum switches years ago. As you'd drive over hills and through valleys and the temperature would change, the air would be alternately coming straight through the snorkel or be drawn over a hot exhaust manifold. An engine runs on fumes anyway, it's just that the atomized particles have such a larger surface to volume ratio than droplets that by the time those particles get into the cylinder, it's supposed to be all vapor anyway.
Contrast that to engines that do repeated short hop driving. They will spend most of their time operating either under a choked condition, or with a cold start injector, or under a temperature dictated computer guideline. Either way, when those cooler, less atomized fuel droplets contact the cold cylinder wall, those vehicles will eventually develop fuel dilution in the crankcase, get thinned out oil, and premature engine wear.
What I am visualizing with your concept is that, on a cold morning with the fuel vapor pressure being depressed, you would need a larger surface area of exposed fuel in order to meet the demands of driving on a cooler day. Of course, you wouldn't need all that extra surface area liberating fuel vapors on a hot day when the fuel is ambiently heated, so how would you control your ultimate fuel usage? I'd be curious to see what your fuel mileage would be at different temperatures.
Also, if you are able to run at a given temperature, I would think your speed would be governed by that temperature and too much of a demand would lean out your mixture and the engine would falter.
Don't get me wrong, I think you've come onto a terrific idea for possibly getting some cars to run in a SHTF scenario, although if there was an EMP, I doubt your engine would even have any means for ignition timing. But it does make one wonder.
Interesting.
us swych / wolve morning ?? But you can us heeter gazoline .
you can also use wood smoke to run a car to its called gasified or gasification about the same idea but but more complicated have to have the burn barrel then it goes through a radiator to cool it down then threw the lines into the carb
you can run on fumes but it burns lean and can cause piston damage and burn the valves if run all the time in that condition.
Greg Durkee aka Cave Man this is exactly what I was thinking , a dangerously lean mix that would be extremely hazardous to the internals .
you are talking stoichiometric lean and this gas vapor is much leaner, using air as coolant insted of fuel. Actually runs with less wear.
Yeah but you could regenerate and get out on impulse power.
Impulse power huh I don't think so when you burn a hole in your pistons from prolong use of vapor burn only
@@icebrakernh, well it worked perfectly in Star Trek
we should appreciate this guy.... atleast he's not like the rest , who fail without trying....
His truck has a quarter tank of gas. Look at the dash gauges.
But the control module is disconnected.
@microgun38 I was wondering the same thing. If it's fuel injected and when you press the gas pedal you push more fuel to be burned but the fuel pump relay was removed the engine might run on fumes but it is throttling on fuel being 'sucked' not pushed from the gas tank.
Microgun- Did you notice the little square hole cut in the fan shroud? Right at the opening of the clear hose, I think it acts as a mini turbo; there is probably a certain amount of 'lag' tho. My guess.
microgun38 it's not a diesel engine that uses fuel to increase speed, where as gas engines use a butterfly flap on the carb or throttle body to modulate speed. this is why the truck wants to turn off at stops, he needs a bleeder valve installed at a vacuum hose to let more vapor in.
I TRIED IT ON MY CHEVY LUV !! WORKED FINE UP TO 60 THEN FELL ON IT'S FACE !! Not enough fuel to supply demand. ! Good find. ! Use it every day to commute to work and so far use about 1/3 of normal usage of gas. THANKS.!!
dennis ryan do you know how the vehicle accelerates if the fuel injectors are no longer supplying the fuel? If you push on the throttle why or how does the car accelerate? Just trying to understand how it could work.
I’m a fuel hauler. My tanker is way way way more dangerous while m/t than full. Vapours are extremely flammable! We are trained to keep keys of the tractor in our pocket while offloading (so no one jumps in and takes off) because the tanks are slowly becoming a bomb while we are dumping our loads. In Canada, we use vapour lines to suck vapours in as we unload instead of letting them escape and gather in low areas (like a ditch or rain water drains) as they used to do. I believe this video 100%.
I knew this would work. I like your comment, & you are correct. During the time he has his engine operating, there is a lot of bubbles in the liquid fuel. This bubbling is the air being drawn through the pipes which go almost to the bottom of the container. You know how the rest works, & keep on truckin'
Woe! Thank you Rick! For your insight on fuel vapors. I never thought a fuel hauler could be more dangerous empty than full. I believe you 100% on what you say. But it got me thinking. Where do the vapors go? I am guessing when you empty your load, you are taking in the vapors from the tank you are filling. But when you refill your rig aren't the vapors lost some where to the atmosphere?
Great reply. You asked where the vapours go. I hope my answer is helpful. The vapours of the petroleum in the delivery trucks usually are drawn in by the method explained. These vapours are then sealed in the tank of the delivery truck. Prior to this, the vapours were allowed to be vented into the atmosphere, thus settling at ground level.
Brad Sizemore When I return to the refinery to reload I repeat the process with the vapour line. What the refinery does I’m not sure. If they are releasing vapours it’s probably much safer than in a crowded populous area.
Thank you so much for your reply. I now have a much better understanding and much deeper respect for people like you, who deliver our fuel to us.
Thats because people dont know that the fumes burn not the liguid
See now there's a smart person rite here ppl!!
That is actually correct. If you take a gas can with just fumes and strike a match to it, it will ignite and explode. Strike the same match to a full tank of gas and the liquid continuously feeds fumes to keep burning. Hence, no explosion from liquid.
@@mbruney3135 let's not get too technical, neither carburetor nor fuel injectors deliver fumes into the engine, gasoline will not evaporate fast enough to support a combustion engine that size, especially in a small can like that.
+mama: You are right, this system will not work under normal driving condition. (All it works for is to idle in the backyard, and to drive slowly around the block.)
That said, by the time that the fuel is ignited in an engine at normal operating temp, the fuel is vaporized. If it was not, engineers would design things differently to assure that it is vaporized. And the change in design would obviously not include something like this.
To believe the rubbish in this vid, you need to be well into belief in conspiracy theory, and kind of naïve to boot
he may as well have told me that cows shit when you aren't looking...... lol
That's how the first combustion engines in cars and motorcycles were fed with flamable mixture. Pretty crude.
It is called the "Surface carburettor". It was used on the first Benz, Panhard- Levassoir, Werner, Hildebrand & Wolfmüller and many many more.
They were good for engines running at constant speed and load.
A similar concept was the wick carburetor.
i beleive..back in 1975 just married ,young and dumb, i was out late with my husband helping some people fix their furnace in the back woods of ky. when we left their home, it was below freezing. the local gas station had closed so we tried to make it the interstate and that station was closed too. we got on the interstate and tied to make it to the truckstop at the next exit, nope we ran out of gas with 4 miles either direction and no traffic . the short of the story,he pulled out a small propane torch and layed it on the engine where the torch would fit inside the breather and turned the torch on (not lighting it just gas) and told me to crank the old station wagon. it took several tries to get the amount of gas right to run without dying. Lol it would surge and leap but we got to the truck stop. later i found out there was actually propane conversion kits available the local propane company used.
That's an awesome story. Thanks.
junkyards use this method to check engines sometimes... just a 20 lb bottle and a hose...
it's call scavenging because the engine is place under a vacuum. injectors are not needed BUT they add to the efficiency of the engine. injectors help atomize the fuel (from liquid to a vapor).
they atomize the fuel but they do not vapourize the fuel. that is why injectors still get lousy gas mileage. once your vapourize the fuel then you get great gas mileage and a visit from the men in black that tell you to stop showing people what your doing or they will kill you. that is why we are not running cars on water, they killed all the inventors. of course the idiots won't believe this because they are idiots and idiots are stupid.
I did that in my 93 Dodge Dakota with a glass pickle jar with insulation at the bottom of it then I put gas in it.. Got about 5 more miles per gallon. Found the ad for the instructions in the back of a Popular Mechanics magazine many many many years ago.
It would be interesting to see what your air/fuel mixture is under load to see if your stoich is lean or not. Thanks for posting your work 👍
Without being roughly 13:1 ratio, an i.c. engine is on the "highway to hell".A fun little exercise with an old 'klunker' but don't kid yourself that this engine will run far before detonation will destroy it.
@@alexd302 lean burn was what i was thinking . Good for short term get out of the shit situations but not as a daily driver..
♡♡♡ Nailed that shit ! Lol way to prove the Haters wrong. Again YOUR DAD WOULD BE PROUD♡♡♡
I’ve been a mechanic for years and have been telling people about this and no one believes me. Of course I haven’t had time or the ambition after wrenching all day to do it and prove this to them so I just wanted to thank you for making this video so I can show them. Well done sir
Ya I've seen it done before. This is a lot better than what I have seen in the past where they guy was heating the gas up to produce fumes.
only the fumes in gasoline are flammable, the liquid is not. your injectors turn the liquid into vapor so it can burn! what you did only makes sense! Good job!
Actually your injectors don't turn gasoline into vapor, they simply make a fine mist that increases the surface area for oxygen in the air to bond with gasoline molecules but it's still liquid state gasoline.
@@derrickbonsell and it (injectors) are designed purposely to waste fuel, so the oil industry can sell more to us. I put together a water fuel system and went from 17 to 28mpg in a 2003 Chevy Suburban with the 5.3L engine. It was so quiet and smooth running, I kept reaching for the key at every stop sign to "restart" the motor, because it sounded like it wasn't even running! If I can do that from my garage, what can the engineers at GM and other car manufacturers do? MUCH more, like 20x better fuel economy easy, running on gas vapors and hydrogen/ oxygen ONLY.
@Draugr Hessler who are you typing to?
Hey dumbass, that is what every fuel system does, but does it better. Do you really, REALLY, think that in that HOT, HOT environment that by the time the mixture enters the cyl, and is compressed, that it is not "vaporized". You guys are trying to fix things which don't need fixed.
You could try to add a water spray injector system to protect your valves and pistons from the lean burn heat.
That engine is designed to run hot on "leaned-out" situations like this, just like all of them. Gotta sell that gas!
It's obvious many are unaware this is not about making a quarter miler. One old boy living out on the beaches of Western Washington, decade upon decade ago, when fuel was still an hour and a half away, ran an old flat bed with a tank on the bed and a dryer vent sized hose running from it to the carb. He could, also, pump fuel straight to the carb when he needed to. The combo let him get up to speed then run in economy mode.
You got me convinced! I'm especially impressed with the fact that a Dodge with 280K miles still runs!
ROFLMOL
Hey, my Dodge truck had 180k mi when sold. Changed oil every 30k?...but changed filter every 10k. The trick was using Lucas Oil addative. Have190k mi on 2003 Mini Cooper. Doing same. Compression still w in Specs.(Castrol blended synthetic ). People brainwashed into throwing away good oil. Same w Spark Plugs. Use a file to 'square up' Grnd Electrode is all. I have only replaced a few 'bad' plugs in 15 yrs...figure it out.
I'm a Castro Blend user also - been using their products for over 40 years - good stuff.
My 96' Dodge Ram has 282,000+ miles and still truckin'.
HAHAHA... hey, wait a minute, I like Dodge.
We in South Africa are paying so much for fuel it is ridiculous. I'm constantly looking at improving my car's fuel efficiency. It makes a lot of sense and thank you for the clip. I have to agree with some of the remarks, I do think that one might hurt the engine if it does not get the appropriate amount of fuel-air-mixture. Like overheating and lubrication. Yet that was not the purpose of this clip, it was to proof that one can start and even drive a short distance with just fuel-air-vapor, which you've done!
The next step is to make it safe, sustainable and constant for everyday use. Well done!
fuel is used as a coolant and a "lean" mix (stoichiometric) burns valves and piston. Leaning further fails to run UNLESS the fuel is a gas and not droplets. As a gas it will combust down to 3 percent. As droplets wont run.
@@Nimblebee-iy4nz they took down your link
I don't know what the problem is with so many of these folks that don't believe that you can run a vehicle using fumes because the Pogue carburetor which there was a book out back in the late seventies that I really wish I had bought then worked on the same principal vaporizing it absolutely as opposed to somewhat crudely like the average carburetor does.
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I remember when I was a kid and Life Magazine was a thing.
General Motors used to feature an automobile, one of those bullet nosed types from the 1950s, in which they claimed to have driven 1,056 miles on one gallon of gas. It was a famous ad and should not be difficult to find.
What I want to know is where all of those wonderful Innovations went to-- I would be happy just to have a car that drives only say 120 miles per gallon....
You can put a match out in gasoline. It's the fumes that burn people. That's why fuel is atomized by the injectors
The fuel mist vaporizes in the heat and pressure of the compression stroke. Even regular gasoline engines run on fuel vapor.
Many years ago GM prototyped a hand full vapor cars on everything from gas disel and propane ,yes motors can and will run on fumes The issues was it is very unstable and hard to control in a flash fire.
How many miles per gallon are you getting brother how long does the quarter gallon of gas last?
This is a good thing to show people, the fact that you will be able to drive longer on fumes than wasting gallons of fuel the normal way.
And yeah some might have a problem with that, but I think it is going to be a better to drive on fumes , since the car releases a lot less co2 emissions.
Riaan Yes so you could at least get home in an emergency , without a doubt I'll conceed that point ..
But you obviously have little idea just HOW a Petrol (Gasoline ) for the Americans works in a basic Motor Vehicle !
What he has created is in essence a passive Carburetor - Yes an incredibly SIMPLE Carburetor !! Now irrespective of WHAT you do the combustible Fuel to O2 Ratio is CRITICAL, no MATTER what you do the vehicle IS still running on Fuel vapor, whether you use Injection this Device OR a regular Carburetor.
This Mac Guy is a complete tool to start with, as is ANYONE that actually believes that there is any different between Electronic Injection or Carburation , is IS Identical in operation and the Motor doesn't care because it is getting Fuel, end or story .
LPG - Liquefied Petroleum Gas or what the Yanks call Propane has and is being used in vehicles for a long time now and is less fuel efficient than Gasoline BUT is basically the same stuff and is In essence EXACTLY the same as is being drawn from the Canister shown here BUT with absolutely no mixture control it will likely use a significantly greater amount of Fuel than Injection OR Carburation , NO MATTER which way you slice it you are STILL using Gasoline - and the Calorific value of which due to the Laws of Physics remains the same when burnt, the trick is to get the efficiency to it's maximum whether it is Atomised (which eventually would be due to turbulence in the inlet tract) as the liquid Gasoline becomes Gaseous when mixed with the Air (remember ONLY the O2 is combustible !! ) everything changes state to become other compounds as a result of this High Temperature and Pressure combustion . As for the (Flashback) arresting Mesh well that is further mixing the Gasoline with the induced Air it's function as a flashback arrester is mute because it just isn't going to happen . The Whole lot of you really need to go back the School and starting with your Physics class move forward into Mechanical Engineering and actually understand what the fuck it is your trying to bullshit to other's about .
If you don't like what this man came up with to show and share it with us, then why don't you come up with something better then, giving me nothing but shit with a big mouth.
So F off and go play with your chemistry set .
Ek gee nie hel om wie jy is mie, jy is te arrogant vir jou eie self en jy weet niks vir watse redes ek hierdie video gelaaik het nie.
@@riaanbreedt5490 BUT what is the point ?? The information and claims that this fellow is raving on about are ABSOLUTE and TOTAL BS and as for coming up with something better ..... how about yeah NAH .. A regular Carburetor is far safer AND significantly more reliable
Wouldn't be much savings just lean running and burning valves why it sounds like a heap of shit better was his money and time fixing the car than Makin dangerous problems 😂😠
Tipiese mense soos jy weet nie vir wat ek die video gelike het nie en jy dink jy kan my beoordewl. Kry n lewe seUna jy is nog te nat agter die ore om van enige persoon so te praat met daai vuil mond.
Of course this will work, all cars run on fumes. They may be atomized in the injectors or carburetors but the engine heat turns the gas to fumes. And yes cars and trucks were modified in WWII to run on wood smoke. The advantage of injectors is to meter the amount of gas better than this system and to avoid a gallon of gas sloshing around in a plastic can adjacent to a hot engine.
How does the gas pedal supply extra fuel in your system? Based on what you have, the speed of the engine should remain constant.
Vacuum
All engines run off vaporized fuel. The results are not surprising. I would be amazed if it did not work.
True, just so long as you admit that NOT all of the fuel going into the cylinder gets vaporized there. That's why we have catalytic converters. Don't understand why they didn't just call them catalytic burners.
Yea you knew it. Bt yet have not applied
Mr know all. Shame
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But there are a whole pile of tweekers around to be constantly trying to "fix" things that do not need to be fixed, and in hilarious ways. This is what the popularity of drugs has given us.
very cool, reminds me in the 1960s i worked at a gulf gas station and a guy had a cadillac with a leaking gas tank so he had a 5 gallon gas can behind the grille hooked up to the fuel pump, couldnt go far on that 5 gallons
I met a fellow who was a young man in Germany during the 2nd world war. He said that farmers were running their old beaters on wood fumes. They had cookers on the back of their vehicles they would load with wood chips and then seal that and cook it to get the fumes off to drive their vehicles. I think that there were some people in North America who did the same thing. No money or supplies to go around.
Donn H Gas producers they were called here in Australia. Very underpowered and wrecked your motor in a short period.
Awesome job !!! A lot of these guys are know it alls. They will never learn anything. You have to have an open mind to learn Thanks
ah pay attention to where he places fuse cap back on ,lets see if you catch the magician at work ,hes li
the motor sounds good !
had to get a motor home down the road 43 miles from home ,fuel pump went bad, put a rubber hose in gas can put other in carb , poured a little gas down carb started an drove home like that on freeway , worked great!!!!!
Add a hot radiator hose into the fuel to heat up the fuel to vaporize more or a hot plate such as you have in a C Pac that vaprizes water . I had thought of this decades ago just never played around! great job!
I did this once with my propane tank! I ran out of gas (back in the carb days-a Ford pickup, '82 or so) and I hooked up the propane tank hose right to the intake line to the float bowl. It ran good enough with a combination of the valve and the gas pedal. If the tank gets cold though, you wouldn't get enough vapor to do much more than idle. Also, I had a '62 Falcon run out. My girlfriend had placed cases of hairspray in the back seat. (she sold at flea markets). I took off the power brake vacuum hose, and added a length of siphon hose I carried, which fit right inside that brake hose. Figured it would suck into the intake manifold. I had all the cans at the ready, and got it running, and after I struggled to get it to speed, I actually went several miles like this! I went through maybe 20 cans! Form about Halsted on I-57, south of Chicago, to 111th exit, and several blocks to an open gas station! You can run on a variety of vapors! A hot engine will run on diesel, and definitely on Coleman fuel, or #1 kero!
@@junkdeal Yeah actaully they have forklifts thay run off propane tanks, but doing it the way you did sounds really dangerous, Still amazing stuff here
They called me the "hazardous materials safety driver" when I drove a rig!!! I was a menace!!!!
I couldn't even see the truck. Great camo job. 😂
Happy holidays
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I’ve always said fuel injection didn’t have gas pedals they had air pedals. Beautiful idea man that’s awesome you are a genius in my opinion.
True!
I had a guy come over my house with a gas generator to show it can run on fumes. Making sure it wasn't a scam, I clamped the fuel intake line off. It worked great! He said it can run 10 times longer on the fumes than liquid gas. So a car should get 10 times the gas millage.
This is just making a Throttle body injector. TBIs are my favorite. It atomizes a little fuel into the intake plenum where much of it turns to fumes as it gets sucked into the cylinder. Injectors are trying to make the mist as fine as possible so most of the liquid drops can be burned, which is essentially forced vaporization. Its not very effecient, so you need emissions controls to deal with all the wasted fuel as well as byproducts. Othe things can still drop efficiency, but getting the most thorough fuel/air mix is always the goal. Way to think outside the box.
For a regular guy, not a mechanical engineer, I see this being set up as a emergency system in case you run out of gas.
Not if you run out of gas but if your fuel pump dies
Years ago there was a video of a carburetor that worked like this. The man who made the video said he got about twice as much mileage with it. Apparently bubbling the air through the gas puts some gas in the air to make the fuel/air mixture. That video disappeared after about one day and I've never seen it since. That car, however; was carbureted rather than fuel injected. In yours, the fuel injectors are not being fed gas, because the fuel pump is disconnected, so it becomes a carbureted engine controlled by the butterfly valves in the intake that we could see with the air cleaner cover off. There's no reason it shouldn't work. The real question is whether or not it's more efficient than the fuel injectors. Oh, I would suggest using a system like a swimming snorkel to shut off the gas mixture from going into the engine compartment when it's not running. without that there could be an explosive mixture in the engine compartment.
I want to see the spark plugs to see how lean it's running probably going to burn a hole in the tops of the piston
You ever take that ruck out into the woods and then not be able to find it due to the camo paint?
my dad told me a story which he said back in the 60's in England his local mechanic was messing around with a ford escort panel van , and what he did was put a air pump connected to the petrol tank blowing bubles into it creating fuel vapor, he then had a bigger diameter hose going from fuel tank to carburetor and the car run of fumes, My dad said Shell bought the patent he made from it and paid him 500 000 pounds . He told my dad not to tell anyone as he was under contract to keep it secret and only told dad as he showed it to him and then the mechanic was never seen again. Not murdered he moved to spain , 500 000 pounds back in 1960 was a lot of money. So much for global warming how many free energy patents do you think oil company's have bought up.
Well, aren't you someone I would trust with a secret. You have any storys about mommy and daddy. LMBO you're just wrong man, just wrong. I do wanna thank you, I have laughed that hard in a long time.
I'm still freaking laughing.
@Mac Guy
Cool video thanks for sharing!
I've always wondered if you could work an engine with gas vapor fuel delivery as hard as the same engine with conventional carb or injection delivery? I was taught that the evaporation of the gas in the combustion chamber is a key factor in keeping the piston temps in check.
what people need to understand is the fact that the fumes of gasoline is what burns anyway
Thank you! born and raised at Oakley Ave , small town NC
Only to start the engine once it’s running it’s drawing petrol from the tank
liquid gasoline is not what is burning.
I know it is very little if none emissions and no cat needed, and the engine runs cooler longer life but, will the combustion chamber get to hot. I also use ATF fluid to get rid of the sludge and clean oil ring on piston, longer life and runs smoother.
Looking forward to more videos of this ! Don't let the sheeple or people who have no mechanical experience say it doesn't work .
I rebuilt my third engine from scratch to finish before graduating from high school, and that included blueprinting it. I became an aerospace engineer afterward,
So before you criticize those of us who are attempting to explain how and why the misinformation is misinformation, and well as conveying reality, kindly learn the difference between "mechanical experience" and "mechanical mastery."
Thank you.
A triumph of engineering. Finally a replacement for fuel injection - shall we call it a carburettor?😁
heh; or vaporizing gas into small droplets / fumes before it hits the combustion chamber, we shall call it "Direct port fuel injection!"
Would love to see a wideband AFR on this and see the air-fuel mixture. Somewhat impressive that it was correct enuff to run.
Hi Comment from Uk I worked with an engineer 50 years ago in Nottingham he re-engineered a propane valve to work the other way and ran a hot water pipe through the petrol tank to atomize the fuel and put the petrol fumes straight into the carb. We got over 100 miles to the gallon and no burnt valves or pistons.
Earnest Pouge invented the 200 mpg back in 1926 or 27, he figured out liquid gas is not flammable, only the fumes burn.
you have to maintain somehow a decent AFR amount, that method just prove that it reach and maybe pass the minimum AFR ratio to run this engine, but idle is poor and maybe overtaking will be a bit too slughish for being reliable. But anyway no wonder it's working, your point is true.
+Michael: Sure he did, in your fantasies, that is why exactly no one is driving one of those "200 mpg" cars today. Believe me, if this "Pouge" did it, me and a million other capable people could do it too. I suppose next we are going to get into some real hilarious conspiracy theory, correct??
+ForAl: Do you define "its working" by the fact that it idles in his backyard, and drove slowly around the block?? What exactly is the "work" a car or pu is supposed to do?
Hint: Install this on a pu truck, fill the back with firewood, set out on a 400 mi trip, entirely using this system, and get back to us. Oh, and on that trip drive from sealevel to 8000 ft altitudes. (You will never make that trip, btw). Oh, after you are done, demo that the engine will survive for oh, about 150k miles.
This is what "working" is to be defined as........
@@ronalddump4061 who the fuck drives 400 miles for firewood???
take the black cover off where the relay is for the fuel pump just for fun
If you are running only on the fumes of the gas can, How is pushing on the gas peddle adding more fumes to the motor from the gas can?
The motor sucks in air automatically so that's how it's sucking in the air to the gas can. So when you press on the gas pedal it opens up the air intake more , which sucks in more air
Sucks in more air, gas fumed
I totally believe you, because I've done it, too. Among other tips, use a can that won't collapse under heavy suction. Like you did, have lots of air-in hoses going to the bottom so that the engine can 'breathe' well. Good work.
BTW....gas fumes are more flammable than the liquid gas.
Liquid gas isint flammable.
I see this all the time in my industry. Its basically a thermal oxidizer using an internal combustion engine. How good would the milage be is the better question.
THIS IS AS TRUE AS TRUE CAN BE. THE 100 MPG CAR THAT RAN A 1974 CHRYSLER BOAT RAN ON HEATED FUEL VAPOR. BIG OIL PURCHASED THE IDEA AND SHELVED IT AND THE GUY "DISAPEARED SHORTLY THERE AFTER.
GREG ANDREWS he didn't really disappear... they killed him! And the patent they tried to pass off as his was a total joke!
I actually knew a guy that did this ran his truck on heated fuel vapors I believe it was called the pough system or something like that, the inventor did disappear however he had a son who published the technique for free
vince rappa I think I have the drawing of the pough carb. And it is heated with exhaust gases.
That's it I remember this guy had some copper tubing that he had wrapped around the exhaust manifold he had a switch over so he could test to see what kind of milage he would get with and without the heeated gas
vince rappa The guy they killed I think his name was Ogalman. But his intake/vapor tube ran all the way to the back.
In the comments down below, some smart-alecks say that the air/fuel mixture of running on fumes will destroy the engine. PLEASE! The status quo engine is designed to run at peak efficiency. Are you trolls saying that there are NO WORK-AROUNDS possible to run under different air-fuel mixtures. Let's all just give up then, because the best design has already been put forward. Best design for who - the oil companies!
The issue is how volatile the vapor mixture is prior to even entering the engine. It can ignite before it is supposed to and cause a fire in the intake manifold. That's why you see him install a spark arrestor screen in the air cleaner to prevent the spread of the fire. how effective it is I dunno. So Honda, Chevy, Ford... Don't want their cars catching fire and them getting sued. Doesn't mean it's not great technology... Just risky.
@@lliaolsen728 Lila, thanks, but the fact remains. An ordinary guy jerry-rigged a status quo fuel system at the cost of about 20 bucks. Is it dangerous? Absolutely! Can it be made safe? Sure. If there is financial motivation to do so.
Do auto manufacturers get encouragement from the petroleum industry? Eyes open, please! Why did the NSA park
its Big Show right next door to Ancestry dot com in Utah? Do you think there's a connection? WE are the Big Pay-off for a whole lot things in this world. THEY don't have to work, because WE do it FOR them.
I did this many years ago. I am currently 73. I was a young teenager I bought 851 Studebaker convertible. I stripped the body off from it in turned it into a dune buggy. Of course I had to make many modifications the wheels engine the fuel system. I rebuilt the engine. I came up with the idea of burning just gas fumes thinking back the intern would run more efficiently. My first try came from cutting a hole in the cop top of the guest paint and running a large diameter line did the intake carburetor. That didn't work as I got rugaas in that big line going to the engine. So I ended up running that line to another gas tank and then running a line from that gas tank up to the intake the engine. That work beautifully. I sold the doom buggy after running it on the Lake Michigan dunes for many months period. With no problems in the engine just lots of sand in my eyes . I then sold the dune buggy slash Studebaker convertible to a friend in it ran for many years with that fuel system. I did not burn the valves or pistons period the engine never overheated period I did have lots of power.
You should make another one! Thanks for sharing.
Who the hell would doubt this?
You've simply built a crude carburator. The only surprising thing about this is that it runs so well.
When I was in High School We did the same thing but in order to get it to high speed we used a fish tank aerator and stone and we where able to pull a 2500 lb trailer at 60 mph for just over an hour...This was back in the 80s when the speed limit was 55
And nobody died right?
Nope...I was amazed but back then gas as about .85 cents a gallon there was no need for something like this
Wow, that’s amazing dude
So what's the point? Your're using the same amount of gas so stupid to do this unless you have to for some stupid reason.
Rick Stout it's buring the vapors this pry gets over 100mpg
We need a before and after video... Before and after facial reconstruction surgery from the burns.
A process called carburation where the Hydrocarbon molecules when disturbed by air, move freely in the air.
He's not mixing the fuel with air in the same fashion. Carburetors atomize the fuel and then those tiny droplets have an easier time vaporizing. As the engine heats up the process becomes easier still. Cold air can reverse the process so it't important to have a some heat present either in the float, and early fuel heater screen, the air intake temp, or the manifold and engine itself.
This video however shows a method by which air bubbles are saturated by fuel as it's forced to travel through the first set of tubes. Only vaporized fuel will be drawn up into the air intake through the second set of tubes, the heavier droplets are not picked up.
+Lila: You forgot to mention that this system will never be able to fuel a vehicle which is doing what vehicles are designed to do.
Hint: they are not designed to idle in your back yard, or drive around the block. Perhaps you need some help with what they ARE designed to do......
That is remarkable! Have you perfected the design? Spoken to any car makers? Do you run you truck on fumes only now? What have you seen as your avg mpg? Is this dangerous? I'm very impressed, thank you for sharing.
If he talks to any car makers about it he will end up dead. The Illuminatti is not a myth.
There is no fule efficiency gain it is a basic carborator with less control of the oir fule mix and is more dangerous to use in the event of a backfire or mechanical problem such as a broken valve or bad valve that allows the combustion to leak back out of the intake
I would think why even carry liquid gas in the vehicle when you could just hose some vapor into a bottle. oh i know. the vapor is so highly volatile that any tiny leak could be quite hazardous and in a crash, you'd have a massive, deadly explosion
Works I've done it as an experiment few times.
The bad part is running so lean, and no fuel as lubrication on rings and valves..
They will burn and prematurely fail.
gasoline washes lubricants away, do not help lubricate
@@darrellgraf933 sorry to say your wrong.
It would be nice to know who replaced the fuel pump relay while we were distracted by the breather cover.
Same thing I was thinking
First thing that popped in my mind.
As a lot of the comments say this does work and has been used all over the world for the past 100 years.
The things that I am unsure about is that I don't think that the vehicle in this video or any vehicle would run that well being fuelled in this way and the fact that he puts the cover back on the fuse/relay box really makes me wonder if someone out of shot replaced the relay for the fuel pump.
A vehicle running pulls oxygen. Or a vehicle turning over. This causes it to suck the fumes out of the can
Project Farm website does this using a lawn mower and glass jar so you can see exactly what's happening. It worked but ended up using nearly the same amount of fuel as running normally.
now you need to conduct mileage tests to see if this is indeed a more economical system
I have only two questions. What was under the relay cover when you replaced it? And why didn't you just leave the relay cover off while you were demonstrating the gas fume system?
James Luther goes to show to can’t please everyone
There will alway be skepticism
Because that was he could have an assistant replace the fuel pump relay while he zoomed in on the air intake. Classic misdirection. Like any good magician....or snake oil salesman.
If that isn't enough proof for the morons out there in youtube land, riddle me this: Why would he increase speed and rpm in his truck and motor respectively by actuation of the accelerator pedal when the gas is no longer being supplied by that action?
Are we to believe that simply opening the air intake is enough to propel enough fumes into the engine to keep it running?
He could have at least kept up the facade by actuating a small air supply motor to draw the fumes out of the can...that might have made it somewhat believable. Just in the ball park.
But this is just laughable. An assistant had opportunity to remove and replace the fuel pump relay at will during the moments that mattered in the video, making it an obvious ploy.
What is really concerning though....is the amount of people that fell for it.
Good one
@@omegazone5279 I believe depressing the gas pedal will open the carburetor throat to more air (oxygen) which allows for a greater burn of of the gas vapor. But Mac guy should do another video with a split screen that shows the entire truck during the entire operation as a better proof that no one else is meddling with the truck.
@@johnnyb3684 perhaps you missed when I addressed that clearly in my comment.
At least give some sort of counter argument of WHY you believe that I am mistaken. Otherwise it is the equivalent of saying blindly, " Uh-Uh" and walking away.
Let's say that it's because you think there is enough vacuum to draw the fumes from the container. Ok, you have all of this suction.....what is the rate of fume production in the can while under that small amount of vacuum? How do you plan to agitate the gas to achieve enough fume production to propel the engine, much less the vehicle? Is this even possible?
So I guess what I'm saying is, ok - try this experiment on your car and film it just like this gentlemen did, except I would like you to leave the cover OFF of the fuse box and DON'T zoom in on things that dont matter so that everyone can clearly see that there has been no alteration to the configuration, specifically in regards to the fuel pump relay.
I wonder if adding 2-stroke oil to the gas would help save the valves and pistons?
So your truck runs on a gas filled bong. You should call it GDI. Gangster direct injection
I think compressed fumes may do, even wood chips can do as well, tanks.
Tom Ogle discovered this in the '70's, big oil made sure most people forgot. Like one gent said, this super lean burn will eventually cook the head(s), but with the correct upgrades, it could work.
Thank you! i feel much safer now knowing that if theres an acopolypse zombie environement i '' be able to run my car on fumes as i am sure it will be hard to find gas.
WELL DUH? ITS THE SAME AS RUNNING IT OFF PROPANE OR NATURAL GAS.
Fuel is needed to keep the valves and pistons cooled. Too lean and stuff melts. I wonder why the engineers don't cool those parts (with oil or coolant) and run lean on fumes. It seems like it would increase mileage?
There's nothing new in this and there's no reason it wont work. The earliest gas engines used carburettors that worked just this way. It's just been so long since it was used nobody remembers it was ever a thing. Good luck.
Fun! We did a similar experiment in science back in high school. Mind how lean you get though....and mind the fire hazard!!
CarBBQ......lol
The gas pedal controls the airflow vane & the air flow sucks fuel out of the float bowl - you have the mix set with the fuel can size, the fuel temp, the total size of the hoses & 2 or 3 other things ..... very cool!!!! It's a primitive air fuel mix supply!
Now I know what’s up with the guys driving around with camo paint jobs
But trucks do run on gas fumes. With air. As does every internal combustion engine.
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It isn't really a question of if it can be done, but how practically can it be done. This is essentially how carburetors used to work and how fuel injection/propane engines currently work (except for the mix ratios).
The entire principle of combustion engines is blending air and fuel into the optimal ratio to combust and produce mechanical power. Obviously there are downsides to doing it this way, as there was with carbs back in the day, but the principle is sound.
People do not know what Afr is,its air to fuel ratio,you can make it run lein,but engine longevity suffers majorly