it's not useless in games like Squad & Post Scriptum, because people actually wait to be revived instead of insta re-deploying. If they increased the redeploy time for giving up bet you medics would all of a sudden become pretty viable.
There needs to be incentive not to redeploy, as punishing a player is not engaging gameplay. If you didn't get your ammo back when redeploying, it would be more engaging, and require players to be conscious about dropping ammo/supplies. Then redeploying wouldn't be worth it in most cases. Squad and PS both have a ticket system, which adds value to waiting for a medic. HLL with tickets might work on the new skirmish mode, but would be terrible overall.
I appreciate that you explain the importance to the medic role that is more then just reviving fallen mates. My main is medic, and watching people give up as I run to them is infuriating, when I know the impact it has on the overall gain. Well said. Thanks for video.
I enjoy playing medic mostly because I enjoy shouting out to people saying 'I am on way' 'hold on a little long' 'Noooooooooooooo' I make it my own fun :P which does get people talking on the comms.
I think it's Battlebit that rewards a player by shouting out, and then reviving. This could be implemented in HLL, with just a button press. I have definitely watched Medics run 100m to revive me, which is always good, but when I redeploy, I have to factor in spawn points and how much ammo I have. The role playing aspect seems to be best as Medic. I always appreciate those who play Medic, as I've played it and it's frustrating when your mid revive or healing someone and 2 more people right next to you redeploy. I swear some players have turned the volume off on all comms.
The medical class is very much needed. There’s been a heap full of times where my team was losing strategic points on the map and I coordinated with other medics to get some bodies back in the fight and it definitely helped especially when we’re fighting on two different points trying to not get pushed further back. However, lack of ammo is definitely an issue.
@@TwinCityShredder highly agreed!! Have not played this game in quite some time since they dropped that abysmal along with the British faction but I think your content actually might get me back into the game, so I appreciate that definitely earned another subscriber!
@@IsaiahGuerrieri thanks bud! Now is a good time to get back in it. I wouldn't have said that since the u13.5 and U14. And then months of fixing it, but now I believe people will have as much fun as they did in U13. Hit reg isn't the best still but I have to imagine once they workout the current spaghetti code, it will become much better.
medics rarely heal people. people who've played the game for a while have gotten used to instantly holding F because either there are no medics nearby, or they're not actually doing their job
I agree. I hate to think about the collective amount of time, redeploying has added to the total time I've spent on that death screen. What do you think are some ways that could make the Medic Class more successful at reviving? Faster run speed would be sweet. Maybe get rid of the need for bandaging after? I'm sure the historians would disagree, but it's a game and supposed to be fun.
I felt that was the case when I first played Squad too. I have to play PS though. I know very little about the gameplay. I almost downloaded it a while back with your video regarding the revival of PS, which I believe was a weekend event with a new map? If I'm remembering correctly. I am happy that OWI has purchased the game, as many people are very happy that the game is being revived. Thanks for the comment Boogie!
They need to give medics a level up class with mp40s, or something. Maybe mp28 or 34/35, just something else. And maybe an artillery luger class. Idk. Give it some flavor for petes sake. They need to be less lazy.
Couldn't agree more. People have to remove that it's a game, but with T17 changing the loadouts to be map specific, I doubt we will ever see it. They should make an exception though.
Raising the damage of the M1 Carbine, adding another magazine and an extra smoke grenade would significantly increase the effectiveness of the Medic. The Carbine feels so painfully inconsistent as opposed to the German/British/Soviet bolt actions (but I understand it should as it is a much smaller caliber and semi-auto). Also, so few people realize the anti-suppression effects of Medic; playing up on your teammates/points is so helpful when being fired at. This video was great; I never knew how the points/tickets worked!
Thanks bud. I agree the carbine is like a pellet gun. It used to be a 1 hit kill back in the day. So more people played medic back then. I wonder if the suppression effect is still lower since the suppression change in U10 or U11. Medic needs a buff. But in a fun and rewarding way. More ammo would help a ton. Faster run speed would be awesome too. If they implement dragging, it could increase the success. Surly T17 has looked at some options. I hope.
The lack of ammo storage is what hurts the most. And the only good medic load out is the second load out that can drop bandages, however, the medic then loses it’s main armament, which is quite ridiculous on the battlefield.
The ammo is definitely an issue. The handgun loadout is more useful with bandages. Medic rework would be a welcomed adjustment. My achievement for killing a sniper with a handgun, was from using that loadout, haha.
What are you talking about, medic IS a fun and rewarding way to play in HLL. Think about it, this game doesn't prioritize tickets and game play like COD etc. I think people just look for a class that is always broken and deemed the "best"
Well the whole point of the video is to show the actual worth of the medic. The tickets are in the form of manpower. I thought I explained that. Did you watch all 3 minutes of it?
I have wanted the Springfield to be a regular rifle for a very long time. But I agree completely, the medic needs another loadout with a more powerful weapon. I know people want historical accuracy, but games are made to have fun too.
I'm 3800 hours in and I'm still learning stuff too. Which is awesome. I wish I could teach the nuance of this game, but it's so situational, that it takes a video like this one, to put it into meaningful words.
@@TwinCityShredder it would be a lot easier re-create, these scenarios if we had some sort of map editor or at least make the firing range a join able play ground for testing
@@The-TEE a map editor have been a request for as long as I can remember. At a minimum, giving server admins the ability to modify existing maps. Some people are so good at level design, if they just had the pieces. There was a person in the HLL discord who has a company that does specifically level design, for some large game companies. They offered their services, and discord admin, put them in contact with someone at T17. I do think T17 should take the burden of making maps, off their plate, and give it to someone who is an expert, and is willing to focus on key details. I also think this game is in maintenance mode, and while trying to keep costs very low. So U15 will kind of be a milestone of sorts, and should give us a glimpse into what we can expect. I'm interested to see the road map.
im going to start playing medic, my god, this has really opened my eyes allot. edit: after two matches i can say i love it, it is so damn rewarding and fun.
Thanks bud I appreciate it a ton! Well it seems that their off the puberty blockers now, and it's returning to its old self. They have been actively fixing the game, and since U14.3, I'd say it's a good time to get back into it. I feel like black matter didn't build this game as modular as T17 would have hoped, so t17 changing the simplest of things has led to game breaking issues. I have a feeling that over time, every segment of this game will be rewritten so things can be modified in the future.
Rifleman is one of the best classes. They are expendable, and carry ammo. Medic is best played in offensive mode on defense. I might have been revived a couple hundred times throughout my time in this game. It's pretty rare that a medic is available or nearby. Especially when redeploying refills your ammo.
@@TwinCityShredder if my squad has a medic, I order them to stay by their squad and out of danger, when they do listen, it's very helpful when trying to push or hold
Some people think it's a useless role, and to an extent their right, but overall when you save manpower, getting that much needed airhead at the end of a match can be a welcomed victory. Thanks for the comment.
I just rack 155hours and I bought the game in December of 2019. I come and go in this game. I love but it eats time. Do you stream on Twitch and is a part of an elite team? Thanks!
I've Corpsman at lvl 10 so i ithink i know what that role it's like, it should get more points for revive and heal it's team mates to make it a desirable class; when i've a Corpsman at less than 100m i always wait for him/her to get to me unless my SL orders otherwise, can be very hard to get to the downed under fire and with no fire support for you from your team or even the squad to do your job. But, combatwise... yeah, the Corpsman it's pretty useless due to it's lack of fire power.
I think medic should get more xp, and make it a better role, by giving them the same ammo as assault, or even a better gun. Dragging enemies would be welcomed too. When ever a medic is 5m from me, I wait and wait, and then see him run off and die 60m from me as I'm laying there, haha.
@@TwinCityShredder Yeah, i wouldn't mind to see a Corpsman 3rd Class at lvl 8 with an M3 Grease Gun, MP-40, a PPSH-40 and a Sten and a pistol both with 4 mags and 4 smokes, getting much more points from healing and reviving it's team mates; that way could defend him/herselve while doing it's job.
@@charles_wipman that's what I'm saying! It is a game after all, but with T17 going the route of changing the loadouts to match the historical era, we may never see this happen. A very long time ago, I mentioned the medic should get a Thompson, and the push back was comical. The medic role needs something extra, and I think another loadout is key to the grind. I hope at some point we get customized level 10 loadouts.
you should see the class in Post-Scriptum. an effective Squad that sticks together rarely has someone die, unless the whole squad goes down. "listen up! stick together, grenade spacing, if someone goes down, get him up! pop smoke if you have too... HAZAH!!"
@@boogie5 I watched a member in the discord stream the game in an empty server and the realistic nature of the game was far superior to HLL. I feel like I missed out on a piece of history. I will be getting it soon though. Before I started playing HLL, I contemplated between the 2 for months. But now that I've seen how beautiful the game actually is, I need to experience it. Even just the tank damage model has me intrigued. Shooting a track actually damages it, would be a nice change of pace.
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it's not useless in games like Squad & Post Scriptum, because people actually wait to be revived instead of insta re-deploying. If they increased the redeploy time for giving up bet you medics would all of a sudden become pretty viable.
There needs to be incentive not to redeploy, as punishing a player is not engaging gameplay. If you didn't get your ammo back when redeploying, it would be more engaging, and require players to be conscious about dropping ammo/supplies. Then redeploying wouldn't be worth it in most cases.
Squad and PS both have a ticket system, which adds value to waiting for a medic. HLL with tickets might work on the new skirmish mode, but would be terrible overall.
I appreciate that you explain the importance to the medic role that is more then just reviving fallen mates. My main is medic, and watching people give up as I run to them is infuriating, when I know the impact it has on the overall gain. Well said. Thanks for video.
Thanks for the comment! It's a very frustrating role to play. Hopefully they can change some aspects to reward those who wait for a revive.
I enjoy playing medic mostly because I enjoy shouting out to people saying 'I am on way' 'hold on a little long' 'Noooooooooooooo' I make it my own fun :P
which does get people talking on the comms.
I think it's Battlebit that rewards a player by shouting out, and then reviving. This could be implemented in HLL, with just a button press.
I have definitely watched Medics run 100m to revive me, which is always good, but when I redeploy, I have to factor in spawn points and how much ammo I have.
The role playing aspect seems to be best as Medic. I always appreciate those who play Medic, as I've played it and it's frustrating when your mid revive or healing someone and 2 more people right next to you redeploy.
I swear some players have turned the volume off on all comms.
The medical class is very much needed. There’s been a heap full of times where my team was losing strategic points on the map and I coordinated with other medics to get some bodies back in the fight and it definitely helped especially when we’re fighting on two different points trying to not get pushed further back. However, lack of ammo is definitely an issue.
This is great to hear!
There some great moments where a medic saved me and I killed a tank an Garry.
It just needs a bit of a buff.
@@TwinCityShredder highly agreed!!
Have not played this game in quite some time since they dropped that abysmal along with the British faction but I think your content actually might get me back into the game, so I appreciate that definitely earned another subscriber!
@@IsaiahGuerrieri thanks bud!
Now is a good time to get back in it.
I wouldn't have said that since the u13.5 and U14. And then months of fixing it, but now I believe people will have as much fun as they did in U13.
Hit reg isn't the best still but I have to imagine once they workout the current spaghetti code, it will become much better.
medics rarely heal people. people who've played the game for a while have gotten used to instantly holding F because either there are no medics nearby, or they're not actually doing their job
I agree. I hate to think about the collective amount of time, redeploying has added to the total time I've spent on that death screen.
What do you think are some ways that could make the Medic Class more successful at reviving?
Faster run speed would be sweet. Maybe get rid of the need for bandaging after?
I'm sure the historians would disagree, but it's a game and supposed to be fun.
you gotta try Post-Scriptum... where medics are the most respected players on the field!
In hll medics are respected too but the other roles are more importend. In some very rare situations can medics Push your success fotward
I felt that was the case when I first played Squad too. I have to play PS though. I know very little about the gameplay.
I almost downloaded it a while back with your video regarding the revival of PS, which I believe was a weekend event with a new map? If I'm remembering correctly.
I am happy that OWI has purchased the game, as many people are very happy that the game is being revived.
Thanks for the comment Boogie!
They need to give medics a level up class with mp40s, or something. Maybe mp28 or 34/35, just something else. And maybe an artillery luger class. Idk. Give it some flavor for petes sake. They need to be less lazy.
Couldn't agree more.
People have to remove that it's a game, but with T17 changing the loadouts to be map specific, I doubt we will ever see it.
They should make an exception though.
Raising the damage of the M1 Carbine, adding another magazine and an extra smoke grenade would significantly increase the effectiveness of the Medic. The Carbine feels so painfully inconsistent as opposed to the German/British/Soviet bolt actions (but I understand it should as it is a much smaller caliber and semi-auto). Also, so few people realize the anti-suppression effects of Medic; playing up on your teammates/points is so helpful when being fired at. This video was great; I never knew how the points/tickets worked!
Thanks bud. I agree the carbine is like a pellet gun. It used to be a 1 hit kill back in the day. So more people played medic back then.
I wonder if the suppression effect is still lower since the suppression change in U10 or U11.
Medic needs a buff. But in a fun and rewarding way.
More ammo would help a ton. Faster run speed would be awesome too.
If they implement dragging, it could increase the success.
Surly T17 has looked at some options. I hope.
The lack of ammo storage is what hurts the most. And the only good medic load out is the second load out that can drop bandages, however, the medic then loses it’s main armament, which is quite ridiculous on the battlefield.
The ammo is definitely an issue. The handgun loadout is more useful with bandages. Medic rework would be a welcomed adjustment.
My achievement for killing a sniper with a handgun, was from using that loadout, haha.
What are you talking about, medic IS a fun and rewarding way to play in HLL. Think about it, this game doesn't prioritize tickets and game play like COD etc. I think people just look for a class that is always broken and deemed the "best"
Well the whole point of the video is to show the actual worth of the medic. The tickets are in the form of manpower. I thought I explained that. Did you watch all 3 minutes of it?
They need to add another level that has the M1 Garand/Gew.43/SVT-40, or even a bare bones Springfield 1903.
I have wanted the Springfield to be a regular rifle for a very long time. But I agree completely, the medic needs another loadout with a more powerful weapon.
I know people want historical accuracy, but games are made to have fun too.
i have a vid on the medic class showcasing how useful it can be . love this btw.
I'll check it out when I get home tonight.
Hopefully there is a bit of useful info for people to share.
2300hrs and I’m still learning stuff
I'm 3800 hours in and I'm still learning stuff too. Which is awesome.
I wish I could teach the nuance of this game, but it's so situational, that it takes a video like this one, to put it into meaningful words.
@@TwinCityShredder it would be a lot easier re-create, these scenarios if we had some sort of map editor or at least make the firing range a join able play ground for testing
@@The-TEE a map editor have been a request for as long as I can remember.
At a minimum, giving server admins the ability to modify existing maps.
Some people are so good at level design, if they just had the pieces.
There was a person in the HLL discord who has a company that does specifically level design, for some large game companies.
They offered their services, and discord admin, put them in contact with someone at T17.
I do think T17 should take the burden of making maps, off their plate, and give it to someone who is an expert, and is willing to focus on key details.
I also think this game is in maintenance mode, and while trying to keep costs very low.
So U15 will kind of be a milestone of sorts, and should give us a glimpse into what we can expect.
I'm interested to see the road map.
Under rated video
Thanks bud! Have a great day.
Damn, now I want to play medic 😂
Get to it! We need more medics, it's just a very tough role to play, when the game benefits you for redeploying.
im going to start playing medic, my god, this has really opened my eyes allot.
edit: after two matches i can say i love it, it is so damn rewarding and fun.
Medic is a grind. I admire those who have gotten to 10.
Huge fan of your channel and HLL. I have not played this game in about 7 months but I've heard the devs are trashing this game. Is this true?
they are recovering slowly...
Thanks bud I appreciate it a ton!
Well it seems that their off the puberty blockers now, and it's returning to its old self.
They have been actively fixing the game, and since U14.3, I'd say it's a good time to get back into it.
I feel like black matter didn't build this game as modular as T17 would have hoped, so t17 changing the simplest of things has led to game breaking issues.
I have a feeling that over time, every segment of this game will be rewritten so things can be modified in the future.
@@TwinCityShredder I have a very basic understanding of game development but if I had to guess, you are exactly right!
Awesome guys great to see y'all so involved with HLL community. I will heed advice and definitely fire it back up and check things out!
As a SL, if I see someone play rifleman, I tell them to switch to medic. Rifleman is such a useless class.
Rifleman is one of the best classes. They are expendable, and carry ammo.
Medic is best played in offensive mode on defense.
I might have been revived a couple hundred times throughout my time in this game.
It's pretty rare that a medic is available or nearby. Especially when redeploying refills your ammo.
@@TwinCityShredder if my squad has a medic, I order them to stay by their squad and out of danger, when they do listen, it's very helpful when trying to push or hold
I was wondering what manpower actually does
Some people think it's a useless role, and to an extent their right, but overall when you save manpower, getting that much needed airhead at the end of a match can be a welcomed victory.
Thanks for the comment.
3600 hours? dangg
It's been a long journey. Hundreds of hours spent in the death screen.
I just rack 155hours and I bought the game in December of 2019. I come and go in this game. I love but it eats time. Do you stream on Twitch and is a part of an elite team? Thanks!
Yes.
Basically the Battlefield Medics play this role looking for that sweet SMG loadout.
I've Corpsman at lvl 10 so i ithink i know what that role it's like, it should get more points for revive and heal it's team mates to make it a desirable class; when i've a Corpsman at less than 100m i always wait for him/her to get to me unless my SL orders otherwise, can be very hard to get to the downed under fire and with no fire support for you from your team or even the squad to do your job. But, combatwise... yeah, the Corpsman it's pretty useless due to it's lack of fire power.
I think medic should get more xp, and make it a better role, by giving them the same ammo as assault, or even a better gun.
Dragging enemies would be welcomed too.
When ever a medic is 5m from me, I wait and wait, and then see him run off and die 60m from me as I'm laying there, haha.
@@TwinCityShredder Yeah, i wouldn't mind to see a Corpsman 3rd Class at lvl 8 with an M3 Grease Gun, MP-40, a PPSH-40 and a Sten and a pistol both with 4 mags and 4 smokes, getting much more points from healing and reviving it's team mates; that way could defend him/herselve while doing it's job.
@@charles_wipman that's what I'm saying!
It is a game after all, but with T17 going the route of changing the loadouts to match the historical era, we may never see this happen.
A very long time ago, I mentioned the medic should get a Thompson, and the push back was comical.
The medic role needs something extra, and I think another loadout is key to the grind.
I hope at some point we get customized level 10 loadouts.
best way to play medic: redeploy and go support or SL and build garrisons.
Hahaha yes! Exactly.
you should see the class in Post-Scriptum. an effective Squad that sticks together rarely has someone die, unless the whole squad goes down.
"listen up! stick together, grenade spacing, if someone goes down, get him up! pop smoke if you have too... HAZAH!!"
@@boogie5 I watched a member in the discord stream the game in an empty server and the realistic nature of the game was far superior to HLL.
I feel like I missed out on a piece of history.
I will be getting it soon though.
Before I started playing HLL, I contemplated between the 2 for months.
But now that I've seen how beautiful the game actually is, I need to experience it.
Even just the tank damage model has me intrigued. Shooting a track actually damages it, would be a nice change of pace.
Bro u still play whit controller?
Yes. Not the in game config though. Custom Steam config.