Does The Catholic Church Teach GOOD WORKS?
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- Looking at the official sources, does the Catholic Church teach that good works are required for salvation or not? Ryan takes a look at the Catholic Catechism and compares it to the Bible.
The Catholic Catechism: "all men may attain salvation through faith, Baptism and the observance of the Commandments” (paragraph 2068)
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We don't do good works because we WANT to be saved, we do good works because we ARE saved
Spot on. Especially sharing the gospel.
Many followers do not understand this concept including christians. What you explain here is crystal clear thru the usage of scriptures. When u believe in Jesus you will also follow the commandments. We can never be holy by ourselves or by our works alone. We need Jesus❤
@thomascollison9879 yeah. Only thru Jesus we can be close to God. We are sinful in nature. Jesus washes away our sins
@thomascollison9879 You are talking about SALVATION, yes Of course. It's only thru grace by our faith that we are SAVED. But does that me we continue to SIN? NO. BIG NO-NO. How can you say we throw out the 10 commandments out of the window thats heresy. My goodness gracious! Jesus never said he come to abolish the law. He come to fullfill it. You do know what are the 10 commandments right?
@thomascollison9879 only if you can read what i wrote. Read again brother
@thomascollison9879 please try to understand what i wrote. SALVATION IS GIVEN TO US BY GRACE. PERIOD. FULLSTOP. OK? GOT IT?
SECONDLY, When we follow Jesus we WANT to follow the 10 commandments. Notice the word "WANT". It doesnt mean "HAVE TO" That's our guide, our framework for living in this world. HOLY SPIRIT WILL GUIDE US in this. So for you to say we do away with the 10 commandments is wrong. We are still keeping it. But not for the sake of salvation. Of course the 10 commandments is just a guide . The holy spirit will lead us and convict us if we do something morally wrong but its not in the commandments
@thomascollison9879 Again and Again. You are emphasizing the points i just made. God bless you brother
To believe that works are necessary for salvation AT ALL, is to tell Jesus He didn't do enough. What an insult!
@@andyc816 Saving faith is knowing, believing and trusting (not working). Faith, itself a gift, is a receiving instrument.
Rom. 4 By Abraham's faith he was credited righteousness. Had he died then he would have entered God's favorable presence.
More than 14 years later James 2 we see that Abraham did works that proved his faith was not dead but alive.
Works are not the root and therefore do not merit salvation, but are fruit that prove that it happened. Works are a gift Eph. 2:10 granted to the believer post becoming a new creation.
@@andyc816 "So you agree" If you say this then you are agreeing with all that I said.
@@andyc816 So Catholics believe that Abraham was justified apart from works and had righteousness credited to him and that he did not need to do any works?
@@mudaaa1015 We are not talking about never having works, but rather do they have a place is "Meriting" salvation. Answer: no.
@@mudaaa1015 Just so I'm clear, can you explain to me how are you saved?
wrong again
Matthew 7:21-25 Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only the one who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. 22 Many will say to me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name and in your name drive out demons and in your name perform many miracles?’ 23 Then I will tell them plainly, ‘I never knew you. Away from me, you evildoers
AND Matthew 25:40-45 41 “Then he will say to those on his left, ‘Depart from me, you who are cursd, into the eternal flre prepared for the devil and his angels. 42 For I was hungry and you gave me nothing to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me nothing to drink, 43 I was a stranger and you did not invite me in, I needed clothes and you did not clothe me, I was sick and in prison and you did not look after me.’
44 “They also will answer, ‘Lord, when did we see you hungry or thirsty or a stranger or needing clothes or sick or in prison, and did not help you?’
45 “He will reply, ‘Truly I tell you, whatever you did not do for one of the least of these, you did not do for me.’
Good point but I have some questions if you wouldn't mind answering.
First, how do you reconcile this with Ephesians 2:8-9 and the other verses provided in this video?
Second, what about the man who died on the cross with Jesus? He was not baptized nor did strive to keep the commandments of God.
Thanks and God bless.
@@magic00squirrel To be quite honest I have no idea how it actually works
The only thing I know is if I make it to Heaven I'll be happy And thankful to the lord And if not I will still be happy and thankful to the lord for giving me even one Life to enjoy
@@magic00squirrel Paul Apostle talked a lot with jews. Ephesians 2:8-9 is talking about the works of Law. Jewish laws. And of course Christians need to follow Christian laws not jewish laws for example circumcision.
And the man who died next to Jesus actually did some good works and he had faith
1,he was God fearing
2, he repented his sins
3, he accepted Jesus
And we just simply dont know whether this man was baptized or not. But even if he wasnt baptized he did have faith in God and would have surely got baptized later if he got his chance.
The people in this parrable where listing their works, DID WE not prophesy in thy name, DID WE not drive out demons in Thy name did, did, did... this verse is actually showing that is doesn't matter what we did because our good works are like filthy rags, that's why they were answered: Ye workers of eniquity.
Jesus NEVER knew them, He didn't say i used to know you but don't anymore which means they were still under the law and weren't saved in their whole lifetime, they were trusting themselves and their own works in stead of Jesus His work
@@chadvagbuster6580Paul was asked, what should i do to be saved, which Paul replied: believe on the Lord Jesus and ypu will be saved. We are saved by grace and only by grace, we can't wprk pur way to heaven, the people in this parable thought they could by listing their works: casting ojt demons and prophesying, yet Jesus never knew them. It's not about followong the rsligion, rather having a relationship with Jesus
1:03 James 2:14-26 14 “What good is it, my brothers, if someone says he has faith but does not have works? Can that faith save him? If a brother or sister is poorly clothed and lacking in daily food, and one of you says to them, “Go in peace, be warmed and filled,” without giving them the things needed for the body, what good is that? So also faith by itself, if it does not have works, is dead.
But someone will say, “You have faith and I have works.” Show me your faith apart from your works, and I will show you my faith by my works. You believe that God is one; you do well. Even the demons believe-and shudder! Do you want to be shown, you foolish person, that faith apart from works is useless? Was not Abraham our father justified by works when he offered up his son Isaac on the altar? You see that faith was active along with his works, and faith was completed by his works; and the Scripture was fulfilled that says, “Abraham believed God, and it was counted to him as righteousness”-and he was called a friend of God. You see that a person is justified by works and not by faith alone. And in the same way was not also Rahab the prostitute justified by works when she received the messengers and sent them out by another way? For as the body apart from the spirit is dead, so also faith apart from works is dead.”
Jesus did 100% of the work to take upon Himself the punishment for every sin of every human on Earth, past, present, and future, but it takes more than proclaiming faith to be saved. Baptism is the washing of regeneration and renewal by the Holy Spirit. It removes the stain of original sin through Christ. It is an external action, that Christ ordered all to do, that they may be saved. If you love Christ, you’ll keep His commandments, as He said. However, in addition to Baptism, we must continue following the commandments. Humans, even after baptism, still sin, and actively choose to. The other sacraments are extensions of God’s grace to Christians after Baptism when they have not kept the commandments, or are able to pursue them more deeply.
The peace and love of our Lord Jesus Christ be with you.
I’d like to argue for the position. Faith saves us and works sanctifies us. I don’t disagree with you about how grace is a free gift but put it this way.
Jesus made remarks about lukewarm Christians Revelation 3:16 for example or Mathew 7:23. As Christians we can’t merely call on the name of Jesus and then live however we want. There are some people that believe this like Jehovah’s Witnesses or with the doctrine of Universal reconciliation. Some Christians believe that simply calling the name in faith is enough and you can sin till you die. But obviously that is not true so works go hand in hand with faith.
If the default state is unsaved, by calling on Jesus you then move from unsaved to saved and you stay in that state with repentance which isn’t a one time thing but a journey and therefore good works. However let’s go back to unsaved, if your goal is to just do good works then obviously thats not gonna work because you are still being punished for your sins. You need Jesus to save you, you need grace.
So what i’m saying is, Jesus saves you and repentance keeps you saved and thats works. Because if you call on the name and just sin, you effectively deny Jesus and Jesus will deny you in front of the Father.
And as for baptism the Bible makes it clear to be baptized but i don’t believe that’s what actually saves us obviously.
And for the last point, God is a just and merciful God. Catholics do have 100% faith in Jesus so i doubt that in the afterlife Jesus will deny his actual believers who aren’t lukewarm and who actually followed his commands. Here i’m not saying other denominations are not true believers but i’m merely pointing out that if you trust Christ 100% and you believe that Repentance is needed like i do then i dont see how God is gonna punish us for that. He commands us to repent.
I'm saved by grace not by works! ✝️
Repent ye therefore, and be converted, that your sins may be blotted out, when the times of refreshing shall come from the presence of the Lord” (Acts 3:19).
You are saved by grace through faith that works itself out by works
You are still on this earth brother...
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that's what Church is teaching for 2000 years
@@BasiliscBazEphesians 2:8-9 ESV
[8] For by grace you have been saved through faith. And this is not your own doing; it is the gift of God, [9] not a result of works, so that no one may boast.
In Ephesians 2, Paul said salvation is by grace through faith.
Philippians 2, Paul said that you have to work out your salvation with fear and trembling.
Was Paul contradicting himself? Read these 2 chapters for yourselves and ask whether Paul was talking about 2 different matters all together?
Salvation could mean 3 topics; justification, sanctification and glorification.
In Ephesians 2, Paul was talking about justification by faith alone.
In Philippians 2, Paul was talking about becoming a good steward of Christ by doing good work for sanctification.
In 1 Corinthians 3, Paul was talking about the glorification in the day of the Lord. That is to enter the kingdom with or without being awarded with that inheritance.
In 1 Corinthians 3:15, Paul said that even for those who did not do any good work during our entire life on earth, they shall still enter the kingdom, but they will forfeit all the great rewards that they could have received. Paul was addressing those believers in Corinth, which was given that they already had faith in our Lord Jesus.
Noticed that in 1 Corinthians 3:8, Paul explained that both himself and Apollo had only one purpose to do good work to receive the good rewards.
Thats true what you write. And "work out your salvation" is not "work FOR your salvation". "Work out" is the desire and associated actions of love to others because of all the love and kindness you received from Christ through His sacrifice.
@@HB_IE52829 Philippians 2 is to teach us the purpose of doing good work - to store up your treasures in heaven where there is no thief to steal, no rust to rot and no moth to eat away. Where the treasures are, there your heart will be.
RCC says you lose grace when you sin. In this system, you are walking on a treadmill of penance and means-of- grace (Sacraments) to restore and maintain your right standing before God when you sin.
Watch the video Documentary: Protestantism's Big Justification Lie.
Nice analogy about at @1:50. You are presenting Christianity in the simplest form. A very nice way to approach people. Good work. Keep it up brother. God Bless you and keep you humble, loving, happy, healthy and protected always !!! (Ps : I've seen many complementing you for your good work. And you glorify our Father in Heaven for everything. That's also very impressive. I pray that those compliments will not lead a stray, but keep you in the right path with our Holy Father in Heaven)
We are saved to do good works!😊
Grace truly is that amazing! Faith in Christ alone!
@catholictruth102 Jesus said, "For it is My Father’s will that everyone who looks to the Son and believes in Him shall have eternal life, and I will raise him up at the last day.”
You can't look in faith to Jesus and the waters of baptism at the same time... they happened at different points in history and involved different people. It's illogical to think that someone can trust in their own baptism for salvation and yet still say they're looking at the cross... a person can only look at one place at one time. You are either looking in faith to when Jesus declared it is finished or you are looking in faith to your baptism. You can't do both at the same time. The Lord had the israelites look at the bronze serpent. So, will you look to Jesus or yourself?
@catholictruth102 No its not. Trusting in the person and work of Jesus is required for salvation. At that moment you truly put your faith in Jesus, and you are baptized into Jesus' death. Romans 6:1-11
Water baptism comes after but it never adds to the salvation.
@catholictruth102 Mark 16:16 ESV
[16] "Whoever believes and is baptized will be saved, but whoever does not believe will be condemned."
Jesus specifically states here that it is unbelief that will cause condemnation. Baptism is not a means of being saved only belief which is precisely the point Jesus is making in that statement.
The water and Spirit verse is not referring to baptism but rather to the need to be born again by the Spirit. The water birth has already happened for everyone.
Baptism isn't something you do. Baptism is something you RECEIVE the Sacraments are not things you do, but they are thing's you RECEIVE. "Works are a symbol that a person has faith." What happens if you don't do those works? Does that make your faith invalid? If that's the case works, do play a part in salvation.
No. If you don’t have good works then yes you might have to question your faith but it’s God in us that does the good. He transforms us to be good and because we know how he is set apart and holy we want to be more like him and we’re transformed to help others like he’s helped us. We become so inclined to love others because he loved us not because it gets us in to heaven but because he’s already done everything to let us live with him in heaven.
In Acts 2:37 they ask Peter " what must we do?' and Peter said, " Repent and be baptized in the name of Jesus...." so it is something we must do. It is done through faith
@leolombardi9628 so if we don't do good works God isn't in us and we aren't saved so have to do good works?
@@Lorcan-wp5mz "Good works" are but filthy rags in front of God so even if you do a lifetime of them, you will never be able to use them to save yourself from the very sins you've also done.
Isaiah 64:6
All of us have become like one who is unclean, and all our righteous acts are like filthy rags; we all shrivel up like a leaf, and like the wind our sins sweep us away.
Good works are simply the effect of your own faith but to lean on them as if they play a part in your salvation? That's like telling Jesus his sacrifice is not enough and you have to work for it.
I understand where you’re coming from but no You are confusing repentance with works. Repentance means you trust fully in the word of God, that Jesus died and rose from the dead for your sins so that you may be saved. God knows our hearts better than we do and he knows when we are sincere. The thief that died next to Jesus didn’t have time to get baptized or go do good works and yet he was saved because he believed in Jesus and he was sincere. He repented. And so similarly God knows when we are sincere because we no longer sin deliberately, though we may fall in to temptation and sin we have faith in Jesus death and resurrection
Baptism is not a work though, because you are receiving the grace of God through it, not freely choosing it.
That is why we baptise infants; it is not a work of man, but of God.
Same with the eucharist.
If it’s an action it’s a work and it never says you receive grace. Says the opposite actually in Ephesians 2:8-9
@esserman1603 how old was Jesus when he was baptized?
@@esserman1603was the sinner on the cross baptized?
So, can a believer become an unbeliever? will they still be saved?
Can I be severed from Christ? Fall from grace? and still be saved? Gal 5:4
Can I not do the Lord's commandments and still be saved? 1 John 1
Can I walk in darkness and still be saved? or must I walk in the light? 1 John 1:6-7
Can I walk the wide path and be saved? or must I walk the narrow path? what does the walking consist of?
Can I depart from the faith and give heed to the doctrine of demons, and still be saved? 1 Timothy 4:1
Can I walk after the flesh , live a life of walking after the flesh, and still be saved?
Since the demons believe and tremble, are they saved? James 2:19
Is Legion saved in Mark 5, he ran to Jesus, worshipped him and even confessed him as the Son of God, is Legion saved?
Must we obey the will of the Father as Jesus said in Matt 7:21? If we don't, will we be saved?
Must I be faithful to the end to receive the crown of life as mentioned in Rev 2? If I am not faithful will I receive the crown of life?
Must I walk by the Spirit as mentioned in Romans 8 if I don't will I be saved?
Can I walk after the flesh as it says in Romans 8 and be saved?
If I do what God says, am I earning my salvation?
Do I have to repent? confess? pray? baptism? to be saved?
If I hate my brother it says I am a murderer and a murderer has NO ETERNAL LIFE ABIDING IN HIM, so can I be saved if I hate my brother? 1 John
How can you completely ignore James chapter 2? Faith without works is dead. You're leading people to hell with your false theology.
He actually mentioned that specifically in his explanation.
If we are saved by grace only, then why are we commanded to do the Charitable Works of Mercy ?
Also, our Lord warns us we will be SEPARATED FROM HIM FOREVER, unless we meet the needs of the poor and the little ones, who are his brethren. Why do non-Catholics ignore these pieces of Scripture. They are saying to God, "you are wrong, we don't need to do works for salvation" I would carefully look at this before you are certain your salvation is secure. You might be in for a shock.
Not true, what those scriptures indicate, is that any who've commited these sins will not make it, covering a huge array of multiple sins trying to show us that NONE of us will make it in through works/being under the law. We have to start looking at the bible in the context it deserves. We suck, we don't deserve salvation, but Jesus gives it anyway (bc He is love) to ANYONE who has faith in Him. Including all the fornicators adulterers etc. If you die without faith in the son of God, Jesus, you go to hell, NOTHING else will send you there. Do you honestly think someone who is a "little white liar"/ or lives a 'holier' life than most is going to heaven but someone who struggles with a sin yet has faith in Jesus isnt??? No no no. This is why works based salvation is a no go. If you put yourself back under the law to be judged, then that's how you'll be judged. You will live more holy on accident than doing it to try to please God, God looks at our goodness as dirty filthy rags. That is not something I want to present to the King of Kings. "Who wants to be the best sinner that ever went to hell?" I fear it is you that will be in for a shock.
I just a month ago was under these same assumptions but God freed me from legalism, it's not healthy for your own being & it keeps people from the true grace of God.
@@graceniehaus Now i know why you people pick and choose what to read in the Bible. Only what you are comfortable with
Read your bible bro. It’s in there
Ryan good Day! I am a Roman Catholic, as I understand Faith is Believing with Obedience. .You can Believe someone without Obedience but You can not be an Obedient if you are not a Believer.....GOD's 10 commandments , forgive your enemies, help those who are needy, was taught by our LORD JESUS.... If I only say I believe Him but not doing his commandments is merely a promise not a commitment. there is a difference between Forgiveness and Reward....LORD JESUS 100% had a gift thru His Crucifixion forgiving us all for our original sins, and in order for us to maintain in holiness we must be obedient to GOD's commandment and that Roman Catholic name it LOVE and sacrifice not good works. and for the LOVE that we had done for his people JESUS had reward called Heaven......Please Do note that there are requirements in order for us to go to heaven........people are going to hell because of their works not because they have faith in hell,,,,,,,,When JESUS said to the thief of the cross ,,,now you will be with me in paradise of course he will......HE is GOD he can do whatever he wants, but he had rules how to get to heaven,,,,,JESUS forgive millions of people from their sin thru healing but what did JESUS say sin no more not now you will be with me in paradise,,,,,,,as JESUS said be perfect as GOD our father is perfect..... ....As JESUS said only GOD can do it to someone to go heaven...but maintaining to be holy as a life of JESUS thats the requirement to go to heaven.....GOD is LOVE itself but thru HIS SON JESUS CHRIST who sacrifice is the ONLY WAY, THE TRUTH and THE LIFE.......... In Roman Catholic we have a saying LOVE WITHOUT SACRIFICE is nothing....GOD BLESS!
John 3:5
Romans 6:3-4
1 Peter 3:21
Mark 16:16
Acts 2:38
Colossians 2:12-13
All these disprove your position on baptism
Yo man you got a very relaxing voice ahah. But you should read the rest of what the catechism says and the rest of Catholic soteriology. It’s not so simple cause there are so many factors. You you are saved by faith yes, but it’s not faith alone! The Bible says it’s not by faith alone. There are many verses that say you need to love and have forgiveness and have works. The works show that your faith is real. Faith without works isn’t real. It won’t save you. Faith in the Bible is always described as something someone did that showed there true belief and trust in God. Also there are many factors when it comes to salvation like the persons ability to understand what they are doing could be faulty, baby’s can’t be accountable, maybe someone who is in mortal sin at the end of yhere life, (the sin it tells us not to pray for) the fully knowing deliberate rejection of God. There’s just so much that goes into it. Also there are 4 different types of works that are referred to when the Bible talks about works. Sometimes it’s works of the OT law, sometimes it’s works of righteous , sometimes it’s works of evil. So you gotta be careful when you just read a few verses out of proper meaning and context.
I'm not Catholic, but I don't necessarily agree with the "Faith alone" doctrine. I know Ephesians 2:8-9 and Romans 11:6, but I also know Matthew 25:31-46. Why would Jesus reject those who appear to be Christians in Matthew 25 if salvation is only through faith and not also through good deeds?
The keyword there is appear to be. They do invoke Jesus name but they don’t truly believe His salvation…. For example, there are many who call themselves Christian and go to church but they do that because that’s what their family does.
@@pauthang2439 Telling Christians that they are saved by faith alone is not enough You MUST undergo a transformation (be born again) and become like Jesus. As you become more and more like Jesus, good deeds will naturally follow, or you are not him (Mathew 7:23). This is why Jesus says "we will know them by their fruits" (Matthew 7:20). We are saved by faith, but faith without works is dead (James 2:26)
@@_KJC_”we are saved by grace through FAITH.”
Yes. Faith without works is also DEAD. just like a body without a spirit is dead..
but-
we are only saved by faith, and not by good works. since we have already broken God’s law, commandments and everything. but Jesus has provided us a way to get to heaven..by TRUSTING that Jesus PAID for our sins. took 100% of our hell punishment.
Faith=Salvation ✔️
Faith+works=Salvation ❌
-it’s faith alone. but, the “ good ” deeds are the EVIDENCE of faith.
@@_KJC_and plus, we can’t be like Jesus. he is perfect and he lived a sinless life. that’s impossible for us to do that. since we are just sinners and we always sinned. but Jesus paid for our sins so that whoever believes that, they will have eternal life. we’re not saved by our good works but we do the good works not to be saved, but because we ARE saved.
@@amypateres5185 Faith alone is not enough. We must be born again (John 3:3), become like Jesus (1 John 2:6), and have good deeds followed (James 2:26). Otherwise Jesus will reject us (Mathew 7:23). We are not doing good deeds because it is law, but because we have Jesus holy spirit - and Jesus is perfect, holy and good. Telling Christians that they are saved by faith alone will send them to hell, if there is no transformation in their life happening, and they continue sinning.
So, what does the bible say about baptism? In Col 2 :12 it says, " You were buried with Jesus in baptism, in which you were also raised with him THROUGH FAITH IN THE WORKING OF GOD.......God made ALIVE TOGETHER WITH HIM, having forgiven us all our trespasses". So, you are raised up in baptism through faith and God works on you, he makes us alive and forgives us of all our trespasses.
Gal 3:26-27 " For in Christ Jesus you are all sons of God through faith. For as many of you as were BAPTIZED INTO CHRIST HAVE PUT ON CHRIST". So, we are made sons of God through faith when we have been baptized into Christ, when we put on Christ.
Romans 6:3 " all of us who have been baptized into Christ Jesus were baptized into his death, were buried with him in baptism.......we too might walk in newness of life.......We know that our old self was crucified with Jesus so that the SINFUL BODY MIGHT BE DESTROYED and we might no longer be enslaved to sin. For he who died is freed from sin". So in baptism, we are raised to walk in newness of life, our sinful body is destroyed and we are freed from sin
This goes with Acts 2:38 where Peter says, " Repent and be baptized in the name of Jesus for the forgiveness of your sins" and as you keep reading it says that those who received the word were baptized and the Lord added them to the saved, v41&v47.
In Romans 3:27 it says that boasting is excluded through the law of faith, baptism is of the law of faith, scriptures above prove it. So, there is no boasting when one is baptized and is not part of the works mention in Eph 2:8-9. The works there are works of the law, not works of faith. We are saved by faith, an obedient faith, not a dead faith and we become children of God when we are baptized into Christ, when we put him on.
Read the whole context I’m not catholic but we are saved by faith in the start it’s a process if have to obey the Lord till then end then he will tell you well done good and faithful servent
Please sir I am so confused and I am so lost im almost having a panic attack. With so many people claiming that OSAS is an excuse for sin (when I didnt even think of it that way I wouldnt ever want to try and just abuse Gods grace, I am struggling really hard with habitual sins like porn and bad intrusive thoughts tho) and that we need to work so hard to stay in salvation or Jesus is just gonna reject me or that I am never a true believer its making me wanna sob on the train. I don't know whats right or wrong whats a demonic doctrine or not. I dont even have a church home to go to for other believers im here alone I want clarity please i dont wanna be away from Jesus..I don't wanna be seperated from Him for eternity I wanna stay with Him but Im scared so hard that my struggles with my horrible addictions that I want out of are gonna just send me to Hell. Im so scared...I dont wanna leave my Lord forever. I WANNA STAY
Is it ok if I reply?
@@Brexbin sure..
You are not alone; this is the confusion that can arise from anyone when they are attempting to interpret something as complex as scripture on their own. Fortunately Christ left us with a teaching authority on this Earth which can properly interpret scripture and teach the word of God such that we need not doubt our own fallible understanding of it. This is the Catholic Church. We must have faith in Christ and his Church because so long as we persist until the end in fighting against our own sinful nature we will not be rejected by Him. Praying for you…
@@ca4409 we cannot fight against our sin well enough to be saved. That’s why Jesus died. Faith in him is what saves not our trying to be good
@@Brexbin Yes, his death is more than sufficient to atone for all sins, but to then say that all that is required for salvation is faith alone is a false unbiblical doctrine. So you are to tell me that the only time the words “faith alone” appear in the Bible is when James is warning that faith apart from works is dead? How about when Jesus himself claims that we must do the work of eating his flesh and drinking his blood to be saved (John 6:53). Or that one must do the work of being “born of water and the spirit” or else he will not enter heaven. Or when he says that “but the one who stands firm (persists) to the end will be saved.” Matt23:13??? Why preach a doctrine clearly contradictory to scripture? And how about when Jesus says that “Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only the one who does the will of my Father who is in heaven.” I think it’s pretty clear that doing the Father’s will as well as the other things stated above seem to be conditions necessary for salvation alongside faith 🤔🤔
I’m catholic, I feel like its more of losing that grace which is what we believe. Hypothetically if your version of salvation is correct, would I end up in heaven? I dont trust my works but rather try not to lose my grace through committing mortal sin (serious sin).
Question for the group, just to see where you all are at on this 😊
Scenario:
A 20 year old person is an unbeliever. One day, he repents and believes in Jesus Christ as his Lord and Savior, putting full trust in him.
For the next 30 years, this person does nothing. No baptism, no church, no communion,.. they never even talk to anyone. They just sit at home all day, and each day is the same: Wake, eat, sit, sleep.
At age 50, the person dies.
Question: Is this person going to Heaven or Hell?
Thanks!
Can you be still save without do good things or work? Just believe in Jesus & no improvement in yourself & holy life?
If you truly believe in Jesus, the fruits will follow
Devil believe in Jesus to...
Jesus made church and gave us 7 sacramatals to recurve his grace to become better and recieve him to live as him
Without Lord we can't nothing...
@@dbzepicfr707 Faith and belief are related concepts, but they have distinct differences:
Faith is complete trust and confidence in something or someone, and it involves action and commitment.
Belief is mental acceptance that something is true, without necessarily involving trust or commitment
Only works do not save you. Only faith does not save you.
“Was not our ancestor Abraham justified by works when he offered his son Isaac on the altar? You see that faith was active along with his works, and faith was brought to completion by the works.”
James 2:21-22 NRSV
Hebrews 11 mentions Abraham was saved by Faith, James says Abraham was saved by works. Faith and Works work in accordance.
You must need faith to do works, no catholic disagrees with this, that is why Matthew 25 is important, and you cannot ignore the basic exegetical interpretation of that passage.
All Catholics agree with you pertaining to Eph 2:8-9. We are saved by the grace of God, and it is NOT of our own doing. It is a GIFT…and we can REJECT a gift.
I know you have a video pertaining to baptism, but your argument for Mark 16:16 was weak: What gives you the authority to declare that scripture is not authentic? Mark 16:16 is the most straightforward concerning Christ’s baptism.
For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also. James 2:26. You cannot strawman the Bible. The Bible is clear that you cannot act contrary to the will of God. Jesus said sin no more. Observing the commandments is a matter of not sinning and John chapter 6 makes it clear that you cannot be saved without being born again from water and spirit.
This is absolutely new age Protestant nonsense. The church never believed this from ages until the protestants came in 500 years ago. The Christian belief was always Faith + Works. Ofcourse Jesus did enough for us on the cross, but its in our hand to say no to Christ, and Unfortunately many do, and will not attain salvation.
Remember, we do not boast what we have done, rather let us boast to the nations what our God has done for us, and that is the Lord Jesus Christ ❤
Doing good works doesn't equal to boasting. Don't know where you are getting that logic from.
@densaldanha I don't think you understand what I meant. I meant that we shouldn't brag about for example, feeding the homeless or giving more money to the church or hey look at me I'm giving my time at the soup kitchen. Yes, these are wonderful things the Lord sees, but we shouldn't boast about them to people and say, "Because of what we did is the reason I'm such a good Christian." Rather, we do good yes, but we also do bad. And we must humble ourselves in front of God and repent of the wrong. For it is by grace we have been saved through faith, not by works so that anyone may boast.
I LOVE YOU SO MUCH MY BROTHER KEEP ON SAVING PEOPLE! JUST MAKE SURE THAT YOU ARE PREACHING THAT GOD BROUGHT JESUS CHRIST BACK TO LIFE AFTER HE DIED FOR OUR SINS OTHERWISE YOU AREN'T PREACHING THE FULL GOSPEL THAT SAVES! [Col 2:12 KJV] 12 Buried with him in baptism, wherein also ye are risen with [him] through the faith of the operation of God, who hath raised him from the dead.
he doesn't believe Col 2:12 the operation is that God forgives us of our sins......
The Catholic Church sees works as the confirmation of your faith. If you don't have works, then you don't have faith. You can't have faith and remain the way you were, you have to keep the commandments and when you fail to follow them you can lose your salvation. You cannot have faith in Jesus and reject his teaching. As Christian you have to believe in Jesus, be baptised (at least desire it), and keep His teachings. You cannot cherrypick what you want to believe either. You cannot believe in Jesus and remain practicing abomination as you can find in modern churches, these people aren't going to be saved just for believing in Jesus.
"Being “just” simply means being with Christ and in Christ. And this suffices. Further observances are no longer necessary. For this reason Luther’s phrase: “faith alone” is true, if it is not opposed to faith in charity, in love. Faith is looking at Christ, entrusting oneself to Christ, being united to Christ, conformed to Christ, to his life. And the form, the life of Christ, is love; hence to believe is to conform to Christ and to enter into his love. So it is that in the Letter to the Galatians in which he primarily developed his teaching on justification St Paul speaks of faith that works through love"
- Pope Benedict XVI, Wednesday Audience, 19th November 2008
I really think Faith Alone and Faith through Works are just matter of semantics. In the end they both talk about the same thing.
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Matthew 7:21-25 Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only the one who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. 22 Many will say to me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name and in your name drive out demons and in your name perform many miracles?’ 23 Then I will tell them plainly, ‘I never knew you. Away from me, you evildoers
AND Matthew 25:40-45 41 “Then he will say to those on his left, ‘Depart from me, you who are cursd, into the eternal flre prepared for the devil and his angels. 42 For I was hungry and you gave me nothing to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me nothing to drink, 43 I was a stranger and you did not invite me in, I needed clothes and you did not clothe me, I was sick and in prison and you did not look after me.’
44 “They also will answer, ‘Lord, when did we see you hungry or thirsty or a stranger or needing clothes or sick or in prison, and did not help you?’
45 “He will reply, ‘Truly I tell you, whatever you did not do for one of the least of these, you did not do for me.’
@@chadvagbuster6580 not sure of what you tried to do here mate
I like most of your explanations, but this one is a very poor representation of what the Catholic church, Jesus Christ, and the Apostles teach. He is the redeemer 100%, but that is not the end. We must be baptized and live out his teachings to be welcomed into heaven or Jesus is a liar (which He is not).
@@diannehatfull1875 it's such a complicated topic, I dont have a full hold it myself. I am still working my way through it
@chadvagbuster6580 you know that just proved his point, right?
He's speaking, contrary to the book of James, which says show me your faith without works in comparison to mine with works--that is, one must act in conformity with the gospel. Faith implies works, and the negation of works implies the negation of faith. This man's views are in keeping with the view that Grace does not not really effectuate any interior change in the human person. Luther said that Grace is like a white sheet thrown over someone who is filthy, whereas the Church's teaching is that Grace genuinely makes one to become holy.
If you believe in Jesus, you’re not gonna be judged by how much faith you have, I can tell you that.
Also, Baptism isn’t our work, it’s Jesus’ work on the cross; His gift.
You’re first saved by grace alone, through faith.
Once you’re saved, then yes, you need to do works of love, else you’ll be cut off.
You can lose/fall away from your grace by committing a mortal sin or doing absolutely nothing with God’s grace.
How can you “fall away from grace” if you’ve already put your faith in his grace though? The only reason why you have grace in the first place is because you accepted it with faith. So this means that ONLY FAITH played a part in you accepting the grace. You didn’t accept grace with works, so how could you lose grace with works?
Also what you’re saying is leading to an indication of being saved by grace through Faith and works, which is not what the Gospel teaches. Works play zero part in receiving salvation, so it also plays zero part in “losing” salvation.
Also, do you have any scripture to back up this idea of yours?
@@Penguins_z You’re FIRST saved by grace through faith. Yes, we agree. But you can absolutely lose that grace after through works of the flesh(grave/mortal sin). It’ll kill your relationship with God that will require you to reconcile back into His love, because He is merciful to forgive all that you’ve done.
Romans 2:6-8 - *_"He will render to each one according to his works; to those who with endurance in well-doing seek for glory and honor and immortality, he will give eternal life;_* but for those who are self-seeking and do not obey the truth, but obey unrighteousness, there will be wrath and fury."
Romans 8:12-13 - "So then, brothers, we are debtors, not to the flesh, to live according to the flesh.
For *_if [εἰ] you live according to the flesh you are going to die,_* but if [εἰ] by the Spirit you put to death the deeds of the flesh, you will live."
Romans 11:21-22 - "For if God did not spare the natural branches, neither will he spare you. Note then the kindness and the severity of God: severity toward those who have fallen, but God's goodness to you, *_if you continue in goodness. Otherwise you too will be cut off."_*
“No, you yourselves do wrong and cheat, and you do these things to your brethren! Do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived. Neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor homosexuals, nor sodomites, nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners will inherit the kingdom of God.”
I Corinthians 6:8-10
““And behold, I am coming quickly, and My reward is with Me, to give to every one according to his work. Blessed are those who do His commandments, that they may have the right to the tree of life, and may enter through the gates into the city. But outside are dogs and sorcerers and sexually immoral and murderers and idolaters, and whoever loves and practices a lie.”
Revelation 22:12, 14-15
I’ve got a lot more if you’d like.
@@Penguins_z The save by grace through faith is your first/initial time being saved. It is not of your works, but the work of God, of Christ on the cross. Don’t boast about that, because you did nothing to earn/merit that at all. We agree.
Once you are saved, you absolutely need to show your works for your fellow man and to justify yourself through faith working in love. And you will be cut off for sin.
I’ll give a few:
Romans 2:6-8 - *_"He will render to each one according to his works; to those who with endurance in well-doing seek for glory and honor and immortality, he will give eternal life;_* but for those who are self-seeking and do not obey the truth, but obey unrighteousness, there will be wrath and fury."
Romans 8:12-13 - "So then, brothers, we are debtors, not to the flesh, to live according to the flesh.
For *_if [εἰ] you live according to the flesh you are going to die,_* but if [εἰ] by the Spirit you put to death the deeds of the flesh, you will live."
Romans 11:21-22 - "For if God did not spare the natural branches, neither will he spare you. Note then the kindness and the severity of God: severity toward those who have fallen, but God's goodness to you, *_if you continue in goodness. Otherwise you too will be cut off."_*
@@Penguins_z We agree, grace through faith was what saved us, but that’s _initial/primary_ justification. That’s what gets us from a son of Satan to an adopted son of God. That part is zero works from us, we can do nothing or merit/earn anything to save us initially.
When works and everything that comes with being a son of God comes into play is when you’re saved. You need to show your love.
Let me ask you these questions, then I’ll try to post some scripture if YT allows it. Can you be saved without loving God or your neighbor? Can you be saved without repenting, or forgiving others? How about following Christ’s commandments/law?
My freind what is your denomination? Just curios...
Presbyterian I believe.
I don’t fully agree with you but the I agree with the first and second things.
Happy late birthday ryan.
Well said! Thanks for this explanation. Blessings 🙏
If you are against good works then logically you are against a good God. This is one of the worst arguments for religious doctrine. God delights in all things that are good and glory can be given to God for them. Jesus teaches to display good works and that good works would be a sign to people that you are a follower of Christ. To go against good works is the opposite. Reread the Sermon on the Mount and follow Jesus.
You should debate with a Catholic Apologist! I suggest Trent Horn.
We are sheep, not goats that refuse to do good deeds.
Where in the Bible does it say that those who believe their faith in Jesus and good works (specifically obeying God’s commandments) will result in them going to hell?
No where, he lied
hello, if to get to heaven the only thing that you need to do is to believe in Jesus Christ and that he died on the cross for our sins and then rose from the dead. then please explain what this verses in the bible mean cause im confused:
1. john 3:5 Jesus answered, “Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born of water and the Spirit, he cannot enter the kingdom of God.(meaning baptism i guess)
2. john 6 53-54 Then Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Except ye eat the flesh of the Son of man, and drink his blood, ye have no life in you.
Whoso eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, hath eternal life; and I will raise him up at the last day.
(eucharistia i guess)
so in this 2 verses it says that you need to get baptized by the water and by the holy spirit to go to heaven and you need to participate in eucharistia in church meaning eat his flesh/bread and his blood/wine to go to heaven.
please help me understand the truth.
Nah nah no. Don't Mistundetood
@@dannisbeckham678 explain!
There is a difference.
When you are saved (by confessing Jesus is Lord and rose on the third day), you are called to be baptized to be born again and keep the eucharist in rememberance of Jesus.
So every Christian ought to do that. However, if someone confesses Jesus is Lord and died 1 minute later. He is still saved. How do we know that? Look at the thief on the cross.
Jesus didn't say to him: "wait, first you need to get baptized" or "wait, first you need to do the eucharist."
But when you are saved. You are called to do these things.
Now on the other hand, good works don't save you. Because the good things you do cannot cancel the bad you did. It's just by the mercy, love and grace of God that you are saved.
So even though you are called to get baptized and observe the eucharist, it doesn't save you. Grace through faith does.
@@igo0di thank you for your response and for your time
I’m by no means arguing with you but I want to make this distinction for those who might be confused.
Jesus says that if we love him, we will obey him. Paul often speaks of hope, and faith.
But, for whatever reason, faith in our culture has taken the spot of hope in its biblical definition. You see, we look at faith nowadays as belief. It is belief, but it’s much more than that. Hope is used as a wish in these days. “I hope this happens” “I hope you aren’t mad at me”
When in the Bible, hope is belief that something will take place and the hope is your expectation of the event. You look forward with hope.
Faith is not just belief, even the demons believe but do they have faith? It is impossible to please God without faith, do demons please God by believing what he says? No. Hope is belief, faith is an action word. It is a lifestyle, it is the actions of a person which are the manifestation of their belief. We know from the book of Hebrews that we learn obedience through suffering, and we know from the book of James that we grow in faith by being joyful through trials and temptations. So, faith is belief in what God says and who he is, and therefore obeying him because you believe. Love, also, is obedience. If we remain in him (Jesus) and his Word remains in us (literally, his words, what he has said to us, what he has told us to do), we will produce much fruit. In this same way, “Faith without works is dead”
So if you are obedient, if you love God, have faith, your connection to him is strong and you will produce fruit, you will have works which flow through you because of your love. It is not works which save you, it is God which saves you, but salvation isn’t the end goal here. He didn’t just die to get you into heaven. He doesn’t want us to take the gift and hide it away because we’re afraid to go out and share it and multiply it (parable of the seeds sown among different types of soil, and the parable of the talents), that’s selfish to keep this thing to yourself. He died to clean you, yes, he died also to give you newness of life. He does tell us in his word to be baptized, so just be obedient and do it, it’s not the baptism that saves you, it’s obedience and faith (grace through faith). He has not given us a spirit of fear, but of power, love, and a sound mind. So let’s get out there and stop being afraid to share this message guys. We must crucify our flesh, so we can live above reproach, so we can go and preach this thing. Be like Jesus. We’re all in it together, let’s encourage one another.
I’m not Catholic btw, I don’t go by labels apart from follower of Jesus. I do go to church. Interestingly, they’re a baptist church but they do not even acknowledge that, they want to get rid of that title because they just love obeying God and don’t want to label themselves (remember that sects are a work of the flesh, we are all one body in Christ)
*sigh*
You are saved by grace *through* faith. Faith is the mechanism God gave you by which you can be saved. It is not empty and dead as mere belief in God, rather it is active and fruitful through good works.
For reference, read the book of James and anywhere in the gospels where Jesus says repeatedly that unfruitful people will be cut off and thrown into the fire.
The pharisees love em some james 2.
I'm a Catholic, I thank you for this ❤
he is misrepresenting us, but i guess this will atract true Christians to defend faith
Faith without deeds is dead
Baptism isn’t a work
Ive watched hours of debates on this topic. And 99% of the time catholics come out on top with this argument. I encourage you to watch some debates with trent horn or jimmy akin
@MillionaireGeniuses I find many arguments against Catholic teaching comes from misrepresented or misinformed ideas of what they are
when your a catholic its a 100 percent you beieve in Jesus..
You might believe in him but you dont believe he is the only reason you are saved, repent.
Oh more misrepresenting - please do discussion with anyone from Catholic Answers, as you got NO IDEA what Catholic Church teaches.
This is so fake
Preach
1 Timothy 3:15 New Living Translation (NLT)so that if I am delayed, you will know how people must conduct themselves in the household of God. This is the church of the living God, which is the pillar and foundation of the truth.
John 3:5 tells you baptism (which is what being born again is - cf 1 Peter 3:21) is necessary for salvation. This is initial justification, and requires no works. If you died immediately after baptism, you would go to Heaven.
However works do play a role in the salvation of those who continue living. Ephesians talks about the works of the law and how one cannot earn Heaven by works (cf Romans 3:20). We don't think you earn Heaven. Salvation is a grace, a free gift. However, works are still necessary for justification as James 2:24 says (note: not that just a certain kind of faith is necessary, but works also). The Catechism explains that all our merits are due to God. That is to say, He is the source of good works in us. While all our own works are as filthy rags, not so with those we do with Christ living in us. See also Philippians 2:12. The free gift must be accepted as you point out, and it takes self-denial and fighting our concupiscence to do that.
The Bible says that good works are how we "make sure" our election and calling in 2 Peter 1:10-12. That you can lose salvation is evident from many Jesus' parables (in the parable of the sower - the thorns, from the parable of the fig tree, the "I never knew you" etc.) and in Romans 11:23 and in 1 Corinthians 9:27.
I trust that Jesus has done and is capable to do in me, everything needed to get into Heaven and that His blood can always wash away my sin - if I repent, turn away - in confession. "Once saved always saved" is a confusion. Justification is not a one time thing. You cannot become like a demon after having fallen of (oh btw, Hebrews 10:26) and expect to be saved. You actually need to be transformed by Christ, deny yourself, pick up your cross and follow Him.
This is a serious thing that you don't want to get wrong: You put faith into Christ actually making you holy, not in Him pulling a fast one on the Father. Nothing unclean shall enter heaven (Revelation 21:27).
My brothers and sisters all of us would be in hell if it is no of mercy coming from God, thats why purgatory exists the extra mercy of God. We can be saved but whats the assurance we'll get to heaven when everyday we are in state of mortal sins. The Sacraments is the gift of God which helps us draw closer to him live holy, and assure salvation. That is only in the Catholic Church, not in any denominational Church.
So u can be a murder and go to heaven coz u trust
I know my mom exist I have faith
But if I don’t make good works then how do I show her I love her
I find it hard to want to bring a Christian from one denomination to another. I understand the beliefs may not align but to believe your faith is the correct interpretation of Jesus’ word and any others are flawed or false feels sorta contradictory in itself. He says to the Catholic to not see it as defending what he believes in before (even if he currently believes in Catholicism), but I believe if the Catholic were to try to convert the Protestant to his denomination he would have reason as well to defend the beliefs he currently abides by. To ask someone to go as far as to simply shed their previous knowledge of Catholic Christianity and to accept Protestant Christianity is hard to find the logic in. I’m a firm believer of passing the word along and appreciating all forms of belief in the higher power but to simply shed what you believe and change denominations is a hard ask for many believers. Otherwise what would it matter to convert him to Protestant when he could just as easily be brought back into Catholicism or any other denomination or religion?
I don't think they will end up in hell, I think they will end up in shame in Heavens before Jesus, when they will realize how little are their works compared to His work on the cross.
When you use the book of james to say that a real saving faith will always bring good work i see your point and i agree that a saving believer will have a change of heart and will want to do good , but yielding to the flesh can still happen after being born again, if you believe that true saving faith will always work then it contradict the verse that you used next (romans 4:5), where he says that the one that does 0 work but still believe is saved, why would he says that if a true saving faith will always bring good work? In the grace period that we are in there is no jew nor gentile in the Body of Christ, so why would james in his book adress the book to the 12 tribes of Israel in james 1:1? Because the book is about Jew in the tribulation, when the Body of Christ will be raptured out, the tribulation will come and God will focus again on Israel, we need to understand that this is the first reason why Jesus came on earth, bring the promised earthly kingdom to Israel prophetised in the old testament, but Israel rejected the messiah so God postponed this earthly kingdom, remember God promised it so it will 100% come eventually, but now because of Israel rejection God as opened the period of grace that we are in today, that was the 2rd reason Jesus came here on earth, to die for the sins of the whole world and rose again the third day, to create His bride, that everyone that believe in the work of Christ will be saved and be part of His Body, but when His bride will be raptured, then he will go back to Israel, which was the first reason he came on earth last time. And we know that in the tribulation not taking the mark of the beast will be a work, because without it, it will be impossible to buy food, so resisting the mark will be hard, thats why James insist on good work and to be kind and helping towards other.
Romans 11:11
11 I say then, Have they stumbled(Israel) that they should fall? God forbid: but rather through their fall salvation is come unto the Gentiles, for to provoke them to jealousy.
„If any one saith, that man may be justified before God by his own works, whether done through the teaching of human nature, or that of the law, without the grace of God through Jesus Christ; let him be anathema.“
Council of Trent: Session 6, Canon I
Please pray for me and my family, ive been sexually abused since i was a kid and im 37 and i struggle with Porn. I losing hope every day. Im trying to get rid of those things but the pull is to strong
Why the bible of protestants doesnt include the letter of saint Jacques? There it's clear that works are also important for salvation
Also in paragraph 1129 it is said that sacraments are needed
John baptised people, Jesus got baptised, Paul got baptised etc....mark 16:16. And no, im not catholic its the Bible that says it. God bless.
Of course. But it doesn't save you. That's the point.
Roman Catholisism - the one true faith, God bless 🙏😇✝️❤️
Andrew Wommack & Galatians saved me, I would've continued on being a legalist until I read the letters myself. People are so consumed with people's outward appearance & not the heart or relationship an individual has with Jesus. Foolishness bc all of us fall short to the glory of God. Does this mean Christ advocates for sin? Certainly not! It means we do good works bc He LOVES us & so His will can fully manifest in our lives, NOT to get Him to love us or let us into heaven. That is what we call grace.🩷 So glad to see another fighting back against faith + works doctrine, there's not many left anymore.🫤 It's either all tolerance for everything or you must be better to keep salvation, neither are correct & keep us from the true gospel, such a shame!💔
Romans 4:5 read it again
Bro has never read the second chapter of James
?? U mean faith without works ?
Faith without works isn’t sincere faith… having genuine faith and love for the Lord will lead us to live a life of good deeds and works. Sincere faith -> good works as a result. If we claim to be followers of Christ and our actions don’t align with that claim then we’re just deceiving ourselves. Look at 1 John 1, if we claim to have faith and fellowship with God, yet we walk in darkness or don’t live godly lives, we’re liars and we don’t truly have genuine faith in God.
Faith leads us to do good works. As a result of genuine faith, we seek to please God through living good lives. We act from God’s grace not for it. When we truly understand God’s love for us and His grace, we then live obedient lives because of our true understanding of His grace!
James 2 isn't talking about eternal salvation, bro.
Work in pauls epistles means Moses law, circumcision and rabbanic laws, but sure it does nothing with good deeds. So we as Catholic, don't believe that salvation is keeping the Law (washing hands, purifications, kosher food and endless useless rabbanic commandments) but we must keep our faith active by spreadind love, charity and good deeds.
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But that doesn't save you
And the Catholic Church says it does, but it goes against what is in the Bible
Purgatory is a lie from satan
Works will be done as a byproduct of those who truly believe. You won’t have to keep about it
Question: According to the Christian belief, was peter the first bishop and do bishops belong in non-dimensional churches? I know Catholics have bishops, but do Christians still do?
regarding Peter being the first pope, this is a retrospective interpretation that was solidified centuries after Peter's death. The early church did not have a single leader in Rome or anywhere else with the kind of authority the pope holds today. Leadership was more localized and varied from one community to another.
Read Acts 15, it describes the authority Peter had amongst all other leaders or apostles present at the time. Peter was always seen as the leader from the apostles and given responsibility by Jesus to lead his flock. He passed down this authority to Linus and that is how we have apostolic succession in the Catholic Church
Hello Ryan 👋🏼
As an Catholic i agree that only faith gets us to Heaven.
That‘s heretical. Council of Trent, Session 6, Canon 9: „If any one saith, that by faith alone the impious is justified; in such wise as to mean, that nothing else is required to co-operate in order to the obtaining the grace of Justification, and that it is not in any way necessary, that he be prepared and disposed by the movement of his own will; let him be anathema.“
@@danieldeiturbide9001 if you don't agree that we get salvation by faith alone then you'll have some things to say to Jesus of why His work wasn't enough for your salvation then buddy
@@emgodas The Church teaches that justification is not by faith alone. You cannot be Catholic and believe in faith alone. Read Session 6 of the Council of Trent or the Canons of the Council.
@@danieldeiturbide9001 Ephesians 2:8-9
For by grace you have been saved through faith. And this is not your own doing; it is the gift of God, not a result of works, so that no one may boast.
Titus 3:5 ESV
He saved us, not because of works done by us in righteousness, but according to his own mercy, by the washing of regeneration and renewal of the Holy Spirit,
Galatians 2:16
Yet we know that a person is not justified by works of the law but through faith in Jesus Christ, so we also have believed in Christ Jesus, in order to be justified by faith in Christ and not by works of the law, because by works of the law no one will be justified.
@@emgodas What does this prove? To say that works are necessary is not the same thing as saying works EARN our salvation. God instituted the Sacraments to distribute the grace which He won on the cross. This does not mean that the work of Baptism in any way, shape or form earns us the grace that this instrument bestows on us. These are all protestant misinterpretations of Scripture, if you are indeed a Catholic (you are not), then you should go with the infallible interpretation of the Church, not the private interpretation of heretics like Luther.
Indeed, Scripture teaches that the Church is the pillar and foundation of the truth.
So if a child rapist believes in Jesus he’s saved? Sorry but no. We go heaven by Jesus grace alone but without works our faith is dead.
Yes if he truly believes. Example the thieve on the cross….
@Christusregna No one has kept the commandments not one so what you're saying is we are all going to go to hell that is not true. You're speaking false doctrine No one has been able to keep the ten commandments You have to place your faith in Christ alone for your salvation. Because you have received a new heart or you've been regenerated a sanctification process takes place You then do good works but you do not do good works to gain salvation You do good works because you have placed your faith in Christ.
@Christusregna you are right when you say to have faith in Christ manifests in not just faith but works. In other words, if you truly believe and understand the price that has been paid, it will also result in good work. BUT no good work does not need to be part of the equation. Using the op example, if a child rapist happen to TRULY believe JESUS AS HIS Lord and Savior and he dies on the same day, he will go to Heaven.
Requiring good works in salvation shows we can somehow earn salvation through our work. No matter how long, we as humans, will not ever get to perfection. And perfection is the standard and there is only one person that meet that standard. Jesus
If you REPENT and BELIEVE you are SAVED
You really doubt God's mercy huh? You really do believe in your own righteousness.
Question:
Why does the Roman Catholic Church teach the doctrine of "works righteousness," that through good works one can earn salvation?
Answer:
The Catholic Church has never taught such a doctrine and, in fact, has constantly condemned the notion that men can earn or merit salvation. Catholic soteriology (salvation theology) is rooted in apostolic Tradition and Scripture and says that it is only by God’s grace-completely unmerited by works-that one is saved.
The Church teaches that it’s God’s grace from beginning to end which justifies, sanctifies, and saves us. As Paul explains in Philippians 2:13, “God is the one, who, for his good purpose, works in you both to desire and to work.”
Notice that Paul’s words presuppose that the faithful Christian is not just desiring to be righteous, but is actively working toward it. This is the second half of the justification equation, and Protestants either miss or ignore it.
James 2:17 reminds us that “faith of itself, if it does not have work, is dead.” In verse 24 James says, “See how a person is justified by works and not by faith alone.” And later: “For just as a body without a spirit is dead, so also faith without works is dead” (2:26).
The Council of Trent harmonizes the necessity of grace and works: “If anyone says that man can be justified before God by his own works, whether done by his own natural powers or by the teaching of the Law, without divine grace through Jesus Christ, let him be anathema” (Session 6; can. 1).
The Council fathers continued by saying, “If anyone says that the sinner is justified by faith alone, meaning that nothing else is required to cooperate in order to obtain the grace of justification and that it is not in any way necessary that he be prepared and disposed by the action of his own will, let him be anathema” (Session 6: can. 9).
By the way, “let him be anathema” means “let him be excommunicated,” not “let him be cursed to hell.” The phrase was used in conciliar documents in a technical, theological sense, not in the same sense as the word “anathema” is found in Scripture. Don’t let “Bible Christians” throw you for a loop on this one.
So, far from teaching a doctrine of “works righteousness” (that would be Pelagianism, which was condemned at the Council of Carthage in A.D. 418), the Catholic Church teaches the true, biblical doctrine of justification.
what gives you to heaven by jesus is serving Gods commandments the god of jesus mine and yours, well these verses might enlighten you all christians trying to evade anyways here it is with quran backing it, big shame on catholics and other christians to withold what jesus said directly and warned you might go to hell if you dont follow jesus saying in other words serve Gods commandments:
Matthew 4:109
10 Jesus said to him, “Away from me, Satan! For it is written:
‘Worship the Lord your God, and serve him only.’[a
Matthew 7:21
Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven;
but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
Qur'an 20:14
"I am God; there is no other god beside Me.
You shall worship Me alone, and observe the Contact Prayers (Salat) to remember Me.
Quran 51:56
I did not create the jinns and the humans except to worship Me alone.
quran sura fatir 35:36
As for the disbelievers, they will have the Fire of Hell,
where they will not be ˹allowed to be˺ finished by death, nor will its torment be lightened for them.
This is how We reward every ˹stubborn˺ disbeliever.
quran maedah 5:116
And ˹on Judgment Day˺ Allah will say,
“O Jesus, son of Mary! Did you ever ask the people to worship you and your mother as gods besides Allah?”
He will answer, “Glory be to You! How could I ever say what I had no right to say?
If I had said such a thing, you would have certainly known it.
You know what is ˹hidden˺ within me, but I do not know what is within You.
Indeed, You ˹alone˺ are the Knower of all unseen.
quran maedah 5:117
I never told them anything except what You ordered me to say:
“Worship Allah-my Lord and your Lord!”
And I was witness over them as long as I remained among them.
But when You took me,1 You were the Witness over them-and You are a Witness over all things.
so in the end yes we muslims follow jesus, it is that most christians dont follow jesus as they say jesus is god and god is jesus so worship jesus or something like that, and they also say jesus died for our sins so we dont have to worship while jesus said worship god and serve him only in bible, and in quran it says jesus saying worship allah my lord and your lord almost same except for that christians might removed things from what jesus said and added "and serve him only" serving God only is bit harsh but if christians believe it well good luck they all be monks and not allowed to serve others like a job,...
I love the way you explain the gospel
Yea and you say you dont need baptisism to be christian but you need to!
Only Jesus dying on the cross saved us through faith alone. Read Ephesians 2 8 and 9
”For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only son and WHOEVER believs in him shall not perish but have eternal life”
titus 3:4-5
The thief on the cross was never baptized. He never partook in the eucharist. He never received his last rites. When he died, he didn’t spend time in purgatory to be cleansed of venial sins. Jesus told him, “Truly, I say to you, today you will be with me in paradise.”
Be baptized if you can.
Before I got baptized we did a church service. I heard a lot of voices in my head yelling and scaring me to the point I was almost getting a panic attack. I wanted to stand up and leave. Until all of a sudden a calm voice in the center of my body told me ‘just persevere’. It was the most beautiful calm strong voice I heard in my whole live. All voices left immediately. Gone. I got baptized that day! The voice was Jesus. He also saved me literally from suicide 6 months before. He intervened.
ROMANS 4 5 🥳
Why does the catholic church teach this if in the bible it is so clear?
@MillionaireGeniuses it wasn't an argument. It was a question.
Amen.
Yes it does
Catholic here. To come to God and be saved, you need to repent, have faith, and be baptized. If you commit mortal sin, you need to repent, have faith, and go to confession.
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For those who disagree I ask this question: When is a person saved?
I disagree. Only believing in Jesus is not enough. In order to be saved, you MUST be born again (John 3:3) and BECOME like Jesus. The more you become like Jesus, good works will follow naturally. If there are no good works, you are not him and get rejected (Mathew 7:23)
When in you've made it to salvation
@@_KJC_ Can you explain what you mean by "Only believing in Jesus?"
You are saved when you are in heaven, salvation is a process
Catholic here.
Faith AND good works does help, because the Bible calls us to do good works in His name (Eph 2:10, James 2:14-17, Galatians 6:9-10, 1 Peter 2:12).
It's not necessarily that only good works saves you, it's when you get the opportunity to. If it were not that case, then a Christian can just be a devout believer yet show nothing for his faith. It's the same case for baptism too, if you get the opportunity to, then do it.
God bless, brother.
Your statement implies a work based salvation. I reccomend going back through the letters specially Galatians with Andrew Wommack (or another teacher, just NOT another catholic priest or someone that follows work based salvation, find someone who doesn't line up with your interpretation of scripture) bc I can guarantee, you are missing the main point, especially in Galatians. I just a month ago was where you are, don't stay there, going back under the law is rechaining yourself from the freedom bought through Christ! There is so much freedom on the other side, you'll find yourself doing works naturally & not bc you are looking to please God or to stay in His good graces bc unfortunately ...we can't. Our good works are like a filthy rag to God. Does this mean Christ advocates for sin? Certainly not! But what it does mean, is if you continue to put yourself back under the law/trying to please God by works, you won't make it. Perfect example is when Paul scolds the Galatians, they did have "faith" in Jesus, however they were also adding works to the salvation process, ergo "perverting the gospel" which is a BIG NO. These things I've said are scripture, bc who really cares what I personally think or say, let everything I have said here be found in scripture! Any of us can string along scripture to fit our perceived theology, it's important to step back & see the big picture. Jesus had to come bc we could never measure up or redeem ourselves back to the Father. Legalism is what tied up the Jews from accepting their Messiah & it's what's tying up our churches, we must stop this!!!
Eveyone has to be baptised with spirit and water
It doesn't save you though
Who knows the logic of God? who knows the mind of God?
The Holy Spirit
@@igo0di Holy spirit is God😶
@@korngreen are you suggesting He left us orphans? We can know what God wants us to know…
@@srich7503 Do you speak with God? so be quiet you never know even if you think you understand.
@@korngreen 😂 Im pretty sure even you dont understand…
History shows us that Jesus didn't leave us a bible, the apostles didn't tell us which books belong in the bible, the church fathers never agreed on the 27 books of the NT through the 4th century, not only did they not agree but their individual lists of would-be NT canons were GROWING during this time, growing in numbers of hundreds of “inspired” NT writings. So, if it wasn't the Catholic/Orthodox church that compiled the 27 books of the NT in the 5th century with the guidance of the Holy Spirit, and preserved it by laboriously hand copying them over and over throughout the centuries before the invention of the printing press, the “rule of faith” for many, please tell us, show us, who did? And if this church no longer exists today, what good is the text which came forth from her if she couldn't sustain herself?
Amen, I’m saved by grace through faith alone! Not my works 🙏✝️
Faith is dead without works. Or do you think pedophiles, rapists, human traffickers who believe in Jesus are also saved?
What about the works we have to do to obtain salvation ?
Proud catholic here ✝✝✝
Do you pray or bow down to mary?
Pride comes before the fall
@@Biblereader919 how about you become more educated in the catechism of the catholic church? how about that?
@deezn2856 I literally just asked a question, and you told me I was uneducated. You never even answered my question
@@Biblereader919 You know what you were doing. Dont act Dumb.
Scripture says that God saves us or we are saved by grace through faith (Eph. 2:8) AND through sanctification (2 Th. 2:13). Salvation, according to Scripture, is a process and is NOT by faith alone. Faith is gift from God - we neither have to be good person nor do something to have the free gift of faith from God (Rom. 4:5). How about Baptism? Scripture says in 1 Pe. 3:21 that Baptism saves you. How about Commandments? Jesus said in Luk. 10:28 "did this [commandments] and you will live". The commandments we have to do is loving another. Before we can love God we must first love one another (1 John 4:20). Paul wrote in Rom. 13:8-10 and Gal. 5:14 that we fulfill the law by loving one another. Catholics are not required to observe Sabbath, circumcision, dietary and civic laws of the Old Testament. Paul wrote in Rom. 2:13 "the doer of the law will be justified". He would not contradict himself when he wrote "no one is justified by the works of the law" in the same epistle (Rom. 3:20). Paul wrote about natural law (Rom. 2:14), known to Gentiles, because it is written in their hearts (Rom. 2:15). That natural law has no Sabbath observance, no dietary laws etc but it has the same "loving one another".
You follow the teaching of the Reformers that says all your sins (past, present and future), through faith alone, are imputed/counted on Christ whom God already punished for those sins - He did everything for you. Why would God punish righteous Christ for your sins? In human courtroom it will be injustice if a criminal is declared not guilty because his crimes are imputed/counted on other person who is punished for the crimes he did not do. This will make God do abomination according to what it is written in Pro. 17:15: “He who justifies the wicked and he who condemns the righteous are both alike an abomination to the LORD.”
"Pro. 17:15: “He who justifies the wicked"
Sinful man cannot do that do justly, but God can and does:
Rom. 4:5
However, to the one who does not work,
but believes in Him who justifies the wicked,
his faith is credited as righteousness.
Rom. 2:13 "the doer of the law will be justified" Right, and only Jesus did that.
Luk. 10:28 "did this [commandments] and you will live" Right, and everyone failed and everyone dies. Rom. 6:23.
@@AdamsTaiwan Are you saying it is OK for God to do abomination because He is God?
Paul wrote about natural law (Rom. 2:14), known to Gentiles, because it is written in their hearts (Rom. 2:15)
Paul concludes, Rom. 3:10-12.
Message so simple yet so hard to apply in real life.
We all have to put our faith in Jesus. He died for our past and future sins. And when we believe in Jesus, the man who taught us many great lessons, healed and raised people from the dead, we people shall sin less and less. Because why are we going to do the wrong things over and over again if someone got in trouble with it?
Saying sorry is not gonna cut it, doing good works are not gonna cut it either to go to heaven, believing in JESUS will!!
Good work will follow after you have believed in Jesus not to add anything to your secure salvation but out of an abundant heart full of gratitude and thanks for what Jesus had done for you saving you and your changing from inside and you will love what God loves and stay away from what He hates that is being born again good works will follow those who believe that Jesus took their punishment of what they deserve
Some think u do good works to get saved, but the truth is ur saved and that's why u do good works
You hit the nail on its head, bud
Until you’re not, right? I mean, if I say - what about the plethora of those that used to say they were saved in the past and now have deconstructed from the faith. You will say they were really not saved, correct? 🤷🏽♂
The thief on the cross wasn't baptized
Chapter and verse
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Therefore, my beloved, as you have always obeyed, so now, not only as in my presence but much more in my absence, work out your own salvation with fear and trembling...
Now reconcile that with
Ephesians 2:10
Romans 4:1-8
Romans 6
Yes, one should absolutely obey Jesus’ Commands, but out of love for Jesus, not for your own salvation, which would be for selfish reasons.
If you do not remain in me, you are like a branch that is thrown away and withers; such branches are picked up, thrown into the fire and burned. (John 15:6))
I have fought the good fight; I have finished the race; I have kept the faith. (2 Timothy 4:7)
Note then the kindness and the severity of God: severity toward those who have fallen, but God’s kindness to you, provided you continue in his kindness; otherwise you too will be cut off. (Romans 11:22)
But I discipline my body and bring it into subjection, lest, when I have preached to others, I myself should become disqualified. (Corinthians 9:27)
Not every one who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord’ shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. (Matt. 7:21)
@@jor_r8769 1 John 2:19
[19] They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would have continued with us. But they went out, that it might become plain that they all are not of us.
@@judicator9837 1 John 2:18-22
Warning Concerning Antichrists
[18] Children, it is the last hour, and as you have heard that antichrist is coming, so now many antichrists have come. Therefore we know that it is the last hour. [19] They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would have continued with us. But they went out, that it might become plain that they all are not of us. [20] But you have been anointed by the Holy One, and you all have knowledge. [21] I write to you, not because you do not know the truth, but because you know it, and because no lie is of the truth. [22] Who is the liar but he who denies that Jesus is the Christ? This is the antichrist, he who denies the Father and the Son.
So your claim is that John 2:19 has nothing to do with the verses before and after it?
[20] But you have been anointed by the Holy One, and you all have knowledge.
Compares those that went out, with those to whom John is writing, inferring that those that went out are not anointed by the Holy One.
[21] I write to you, not because you do not know the truth, but because you know it, and because no lie is of the truth. [22] Who is the liar but he who denies that Jesus is the Christ? This is the antichrist, he who denies the Father and the Son.
Again, in context, John is referring to those that went out as liars that are antichrists, because the deny that Jesus is the Christ.
1 John 2:24-29
[24] Let what you heard from the beginning abide in you. If what you heard from the beginning abides in you, then you too will abide in the Son and in the Father. [25] And this is the promise that he made to us-eternal life.
So, keeping what they heard, the faith that Jesus is the Christ, Son of the Father, is what ensures that they will receive the promise of eternal life?
[26] I write these things to you about those who are trying to deceive you. [27] But the anointing that you received from him abides in you, and you have no need that anyone should teach you. But as his anointing teaches you about everything, and is true, and is no lie-just as it has taught you, abide in him.
The Holy Spirit is what gives one knowledge of the truth.
[28] And now, little children, abide in him, so that when he appears we may have confidence and not shrink from him in shame at his coming. [29] If you know that he is righteous, you may be sure that everyone who practices righteousness has been born of him.
So, practicing righteousness is evidence of one’s salvation, not the source of one’s salvation.
@Christusregna be careful not to slander your brothers. I know many Calvinists. None believe a person who continues to practice sin, and does not repent, has saving grace.
No one I know believes in “fluffy Jesus”.
We just don’t believe that practicing righteousness is the source of one’s salvation. We believe this because the Scriptures say as much over and over.
Salvation is received by grace, the source, through faith, that is evidenced by works.
A faith not accompanied by works is a sign of a dead faith, although no one’s walk is the same. That is why we encourage each other and help each other in our walk.