One of the best gaming music starts at the Kain fight. I was literally smiling as hell listening to that music, brought so many memories of soul reaver.
Shame the best bit of the track was cut off when he defeated Kain lol EDIT: Oh jesus, I just necro'd a 7 year old post! Uh, you may call me Mortanius....
It took me literally YEARS to really understand the entire plot of the series once I'd finished all the games. I had to go on GameFAQs, TVTropes and other gaming websites where other people had painstakingly gathered every scrap of information on decades-old games to truly get the scope of Legacy of Kain. But while the story is incredibly rich and deep, the one thing that sets LoK apart from other games in my book is the DIALOGUE. The utterly, positively, unendingly awesome dialogue.
Strangely, at about a minute in, Kain shoulda literally interrupted and said "Raz, why are you behaving like some idiot less than a century old?" Mighta been fun to watch raz cotton on and be like 'OHHH the Hylden are pissing me off somehow hmmmm'
@masterermac He definitely knew some things - and he does specifically say "Janos must stay dead", but it's plausible that he only knew enough to give that warning, and didn't know the exact chain of events. Otherwise, he wouldn't have been wondering about the murals in the forges, for instance, and he wouldn't have been surprised when he wasn't dead after Raziel stole the heart, or when he found Moebius at the end.
2:43 I have never noticed Raziel's eyes before at this moment.Their glow looks distinctly like the glow of Mortanius when he is being possessed by the Hylden. Could the Hylden be subtly manipulating Raziel here? They have been shown to take control of cadavers and Raziel is one, albeit one with a strong will.
@masterermac Clearly Kain didn't foresee every event exactly as it happened, or he'd have known Raziel would kill him in the Avernus Cathedral (and judging by his facial expression and reaction after the fact, he is genuinely surprised by this) - he also claims Raziel has free will, and has no reason to lie about this - suggesting that his actions were unforeseeable. It's assumable then that he might not have known enough to give a good warning - and make Raziel believe him.
You gotta remember, Raziel is being pushed by the Hilden, the green flamey eye effect you see from time to time, like for Turel. 'Cause usually Raz ain't a laughing guy.
@Joudas and we're still missing any story that occurred during raziel's tenure in the abyss. imagine having to invade the razielim clan territory, where all your enemies have wings... imagine the replay value in a game where you can play as any one of the five surviving brethren.
All I can think is, like so many other situations, this entire encounter could have gone smoother if people just TALKED. If Kain EXPLAINED why Janos needed to stay dead, Raziel might actually have listened.
I doubt it. Kain was trying to talk. He was trying to reason with Raziel. Raziel in this scene is being influenced/ nigh-possessed by the Hylden, on top of his already existing anger and feelings of helplessness. And because of that, everything Kain was saying Raziel was distrusting and twisting as reason to fight. He went in there to kill Kain and nothing else. And it didn't hit him that he'd made a grave mistake until afterwards, until after "the madness of this place" subsided.
He tried to, the whole cutscene was Kain Attempting ot Reason with Raziel as to avoid having them fight. RAziel however was having none of it, due ot his encounter with turel and what transpired after he wasnt on the right mindset ot talk(plus he had a number of voices of hism ind going " KILL KAIN he is Trying ot GET YOU 1ST")
At the time of this Raziel is 1500 years old, more or less. Because he is trapped in time a lot its hard to determine. He was 1000 years old when he was tossed into the Abyss. Kane is 5000 years old I think
Remember that Raziel was at that moment prey to the Hylden residing within him. They were the ones who made him heedless and quadruplicated his impulsiveness and rage. I found the laughter nothing more than a representation of how terrible their influence was on him. That is why, when Kain was defeated, he couldn't feel any satisfaction for his winning the battle. It was not his true intention to win. D.R.
I just got to this part earlier today, after pwning Turel. This was the part of the game I was looking forward to. Now I can't wait to take on The Elder God.
one of the best games i have ever played were the legacy of kain series. though i havent played all the episodes just a few(BO2, LOK-SR1, LOK-D) this series it got me mezmerized with its complex and brilliant story line. and not to mention the characters, Kain and Raziel are my favorite gaming characters, because of their well formed personalities. i hope that one day there's gonna be another chapter in the story. until that day, this game kicks ass dude:D
It's too bad that Raziel here is basically an ass. Kain obviously shows concern for Raziel and it's obvious that he had no intention of kill Raziel, yet Raziel takes a cheap shot as Kain is left off guard. Well, at least it makes Kain look more like a bad ass when he returns even without a heart.
I must say that this is one of the best scenes of the game. Think about it- why would Kain have such high hopes of Raziel when you think that he tossed Raziel into the abyss before? And the line "You are the only unbound creature. You.. have..a..chooice!!"-absolutely amazing and brilliant!!
It's called Ozar Midrashim, by Information Society. The 'real' version is preceded by a rather lengthy (45 second?) nonsensical monologue, it's kind of surreal really, and worth checking out.
I mostly think of Kain as the "hero, who doesn't act like a hero". I mean, from the beginning his goal was to save Nosgoth, he just got his ... darker style. Luckily for us, I'd say.
@Katalmach : Yes, you are right - in fact it was raziels desicion to kill kain to get the heart of darkness, because he wanted to resurrect janos, but i think he was a little bit influenced and manipulated by the hyldens - therefore the green eyes...
StigMarshall, they both fell into that trap, because Kain, so determined to find Raziel, appeared at Avernus at the worst possible time... arranged by squidy.
I believe she said it was because he was the Scion of Balance, not because he was the Balance Guardian. I think the intention was that if Raziel had stabbed him with the Reaver, he'd be truly dead (as Kain says, 'You bear the only weapon that can kill me').
Losing in either battle nets you a 'game over' equivalent - you technically have to win as Kain to trigger the cut scene with Raziel and begin the second half of the fight. If Raziel defeats you in the fight, you're loading your last checkpoint.
@masterermac "...but Kain's warning was lost as I slipped into the spirit realm..." - He could have recited the rest of the story word for word, Raziel wouldn't have heard it, as he was too weak to maintain his physical form at the time.
Then you haven't been paying attention. It does that to show how their destinies are intertwined. Also, as a game-play instrument to help prevent one char from becoming "stagnant" to the player.
It's also quite an awesome mechanic - you've got to realize that the game up till this point has Kain and Raziel separated in time by 500 years - yet they both see the signs that this is their destiny. The switch mid-fight, too, is fantastic - just when you think you know who the victor is, suddenly, you realize you were very wrong.
because when he saw Raziel with wings in SR1 he realised that he was the 'saviour of Nosgoth' and assumed he was meant to kill Kain, so he thought he'd solve it all by having him killed. But then realized that it would make no difference cos of fate. I think :S
Isn't that song "Ozar Midrashim" from Soul Reaver 1's opening that for some reason wasn't included in the soul reaver OST It is a rare soundtrack really hard to find
True, but in these cutscenes it looks alot like the Spectral Reaver. Someone suggested on another LoK vid that when Raziel absorbed Turael, he was posessed by many weak Hylden spirits(not one strong one, like Mortanius). They increased his TK abilities but also interfered with his reasoning initially. That may explain the green-ness of the Reaver and of Raziel's eyes during the fight with Kain. I suspect Raziel stayed in control soon afterwards, which is why the green eyes never come up again.
Surely you mean the Hylden, not the Sarafan - the Sarafan were the ancient vampire hunters (of which Raziel was a prominent member). The Hylden are the vampires' ancient enemy, banished to the Demon Realm, their prison sealed with the creation of the pillars.
@absorbuse But Defiance is clearly not the end of the story - Janos has been possessed by the Hylden Lord and is running rampant. This is huge - how can you suggest this is the end? Chronologically, it is parts of SR2, parts of Defiance, Blood Omen 1, Blood Omen 2, parts of SR2, Parts of SR1, Parts of SR2 - because of all the timetravel. Storyline-wise, BO2 concludes the story, with the defeat of the Hylden Lord and the destruction of the Device / the gateway to the demon dimension.
After he killed Turel, he didn't just get Turel's soul. If you watch, you can see after the blue soul comes out, the green Hylden ones are all sucked into him too.
The only thing left to resolve is how Kain decides to deal with the Hylden...which is no forgone conclusion. The Hylden weren't bad until the ancient vampires started the war with them at the behest of the Elder God. If they are just victims like everyone else, and the pillars were erected to keep them banished, whos to say that Kain tries to banish them again knowing that they arent the true guilty party. There is a big piece of the prophecy missing.
actually, Kain's "dancing around the truth" makes sense contextually, and later on in the story. He's speaking of the Hylden, who we are introduced to in Blood Omen 2. Basically, these games' plots have no meaning without knowledge of the plots before them
@masterermac We don't really have any proof that he never explained the events of Blood Omen 2...For all we know, he could've told Raziel EVERYTHING about what happens, including his beloved Umah, and he still wouldn't hear it. To quote Joudas, "But Kain's warning was lost as I slipped into the spectral realm--".
@MegaCoolguy52 Was always the opposite for me. Raziel's roll-stab-stab-stab-stab-stab-etc move always worked pretty well for me, but Kain's equivalent seems harder to hit with.
Fine gameplay there. Its not botched even though its a walkthrough not a gameplay video. For best results you should use time reaver with Kain(great spell) and air reaver with Raziel(great charge-up)
@albertwesker471 Nothing changes simply because you travel back or forward in time in these games, because it was meant to happen according to the timeline. The only occasion anything goes awry is when you perform a paradox. Kain and Raziel have done just that three times in the course of the series (murdering William the Just, refusing to kill Kain, preventing Raziel to enter the Reaver) and that caused near-catastrophic distortion as History tries to accommodate the anomaly.
First, watch the whole video. Secondly, yes, you're playing as Kain in the beginning. If you die (during either half of the fight), you've got to reload, there's no altered ending.
I get that they want to surprise the player, who does not yet know, so they have Kain speak in riddles to keep us in suspense. But there is no reason, character-wise, why Kain couldn't just say what he knew. Yeah, Raziel might not have believed him, but he could have at least TRIED. There's a term which Roger Ebert uses a lot for when characters stupidly dance around saying something, purely for the sake of moving the plot forward. It's called the Idiot Plot.
I never much liked Defiance as much as the first 2 Soul Reaver games, but it had its moments. Full kudos for putting in Ozar Midrashim during the final battlWAIT, DID KAIN JUST PASS THROUGH THE FECKING WALL!?! Goddamn the collision was bad in this game.
yea, its been 3 months, but I believe awhile back ago Amy Henning even stated that Kain survived because he was the Balance Guardian...I'll have to find that website again, can't remember where I got it >.
Actually Moebius didn't tell him anything, Kain figured it all out using the Chronoplast Chamber he admits it int he SR2 opening and through it he has learned of their history including the original timestream where raziel kills all vampires in SR1 and changed it into what it is now as part of his gamble to recover their destinies and revive the pillars.
This is the only time Raziel laughs in the entire series.
It's so surreal
I noticed that.
His human self laughs.
Probably also because of the Hylden influencing him like it infected Avernus.
I love how Ozar Midrashim was being played during the 2nd part where you play as Raziel.
seriously my favorite track from the series.
One of the best gaming music starts at the Kain fight. I was literally smiling as hell listening to that music, brought so many memories of soul reaver.
Shame the best bit of the track was cut off when he defeated Kain lol
EDIT: Oh jesus, I just necro'd a 7 year old post!
Uh, you may call me Mortanius....
Is it me? Or is it the SECOND time Raziel pulled out the same heart of darkness from a still-living vampire?
I see what you did there,lol.
"I renounce you"
@@nathanielleack4842 "And so it ends. My history comes full circle."
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@@brianwalters7855 Screw booze. My guy Raziel gets drunk with revelations
@@nathanielleack4842 Ba Dum Tss.
It took me literally YEARS to really understand the entire plot of the series once I'd finished all the games. I had to go on GameFAQs, TVTropes and other gaming websites where other people had painstakingly gathered every scrap of information on decades-old games to truly get the scope of Legacy of Kain.
But while the story is incredibly rich and deep, the one thing that sets LoK apart from other games in my book is the DIALOGUE. The utterly, positively, unendingly awesome dialogue.
Raziel: I have found the HEART OF DARKNESS!
Kain: The Horror! The Horror!
Raziel: Oh, like anyone's going to get that....
I got it. It's from "Apocalypse Now". Ha! I win, Raziel.
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I love Raziels laugh. It´s creepy. I wish there was a sequel.
You must trust me, the one who casted you into a millennia of torture without telling you why
This is not a Game this is art
That's "Ozar Midrashim" by Information Society. It's the theme from Soul Reaver 1.
Oh definitely. The fanboy in me was bursting with excitement when I first played this battle. Without a doubt, THE most epic battle I've played ever.
Strangely, at about a minute in, Kain shoulda literally interrupted and said "Raz, why are you behaving like some idiot less than a century old?"
Mighta been fun to watch raz cotton on and be like 'OHHH the Hylden are pissing me off somehow hmmmm'
@masterermac He definitely knew some things - and he does specifically say "Janos must stay dead", but it's plausible that he only knew enough to give that warning, and didn't know the exact chain of events. Otherwise, he wouldn't have been wondering about the murals in the forges, for instance, and he wouldn't have been surprised when he wasn't dead after Raziel stole the heart, or when he found Moebius at the end.
2:43 I have never noticed Raziel's eyes before at this moment.Their glow looks distinctly like the glow of Mortanius when he is being possessed by the Hylden. Could the Hylden be subtly manipulating Raziel here? They have been shown to take control of cadavers and Raziel is one, albeit one with a strong will.
Raziel has such an evil laugh O_O
this scene is one of the best scenes of any game... so much anger and revenge that collide with eachother.... one of the best games ever
Very nice work for putting up these videos. Thanks!
@masterermac Clearly Kain didn't foresee every event exactly as it happened, or he'd have known Raziel would kill him in the Avernus Cathedral (and judging by his facial expression and reaction after the fact, he is genuinely surprised by this) - he also claims Raziel has free will, and has no reason to lie about this - suggesting that his actions were unforeseeable. It's assumable then that he might not have known enough to give a good warning - and make Raziel believe him.
"You must trust me, Raziel!"
To which, I think Raz's response should be "WHY?" Kain hardly has given Raziel much reason to trust him.
You gotta remember, Raziel is being pushed by the Hilden, the green flamey eye effect you see from time to time, like for Turel. 'Cause usually Raz ain't a laughing guy.
@Joudas and we're still missing any story that occurred during raziel's tenure in the abyss. imagine having to invade the razielim clan territory, where all your enemies have wings... imagine the replay value in a game where you can play as any one of the five surviving brethren.
All I can think is, like so many other situations, this entire encounter could have gone smoother if people just TALKED.
If Kain EXPLAINED why Janos needed to stay dead, Raziel might actually have listened.
I doubt it. Kain was trying to talk. He was trying to reason with Raziel. Raziel in this scene is being influenced/ nigh-possessed by the Hylden, on top of his already existing anger and feelings of helplessness. And because of that, everything Kain was saying Raziel was distrusting and twisting as reason to fight. He went in there to kill Kain and nothing else. And it didn't hit him that he'd made a grave mistake until afterwards, until after "the madness of this place" subsided.
He tried to, the whole cutscene was Kain Attempting ot Reason with Raziel as to avoid having them fight. RAziel however was having none of it, due ot his encounter with turel and what transpired after he wasnt on the right mindset ot talk(plus he had a number of voices of hism ind going " KILL KAIN he is Trying ot GET YOU 1ST")
That bg music that played when you play as Raz when he fights kain is a nice tune. Wish I could hear the whole thing.
At the time of this Raziel is 1500 years old, more or less. Because he is trapped in time a lot its hard to determine. He was 1000 years old when he was tossed into the Abyss. Kane is 5000 years old I think
Look at his chest, there's still flesh around the ribs, meaning his lungs could still be there.
The utmost perfect moment to play Raziel's clan theme.
soul suckin, heart rippin, little bad-ass...raziel is my fav.
7:32
How can Raziel gasp or swallow with no throat or jaw.
And if he is a wraith, how does he have a set of lungs?
One of the most epic battles in gaming.
Thanks for uploading all these by the way, my PS2 is broken and I've been wanting to re-watch these for a while.
Remember that Raziel was at that moment prey to the Hylden residing within him. They were the ones who made him heedless and quadruplicated his impulsiveness and rage. I found the laughter nothing more than a representation of how terrible their influence was on him. That is why, when Kain was defeated, he couldn't feel any satisfaction for his winning the battle. It was not his true intention to win. D.R.
Indeed! Soul Reaver II was made 2001, and Defiance 2003.
One of the best showdowns ever in gaming.
I just got to this part earlier today, after pwning Turel. This was the part of the game I was looking forward to.
Now I can't wait to take on The Elder God.
I love how Kain threw Raziel at the pillar...
I had a thought about that. Possibly he talks via telekinesis?
Best fight in series rly love both characters.
the fight everyone was waiting for!
have you played soul reaver 1 the worlds a wreck the everything has fallen into decay and is nearly inhospitiable for humans and vampires
Hard to believe this upload is more than half my age
Oh shit, same
Kain in the first half, Raziel in the second.
The coin still turning. the side is redeemer, and another side is destroyer.
one of the best games i have ever played were the legacy of kain series. though i havent played all the episodes just a few(BO2, LOK-SR1, LOK-D) this series it got me mezmerized with its complex and brilliant story line. and not to mention the characters, Kain and Raziel are my favorite gaming characters, because of their well formed personalities. i hope that one day there's gonna be another chapter in the story.
until that day, this game kicks ass dude:D
"Go to oblivion!!!"-been there, done there.
That's what i've been wanting to see for a long long time. The two of them head on!
Kain FTW!!
I really don't see Raziel as the laughing type...
It's too bad that Raziel here is basically an ass. Kain obviously shows concern for Raziel and it's obvious that he had no intention of kill Raziel, yet Raziel takes a cheap shot as Kain is left off guard. Well, at least it makes Kain look more like a bad ass when he returns even without a heart.
That is the Earth Reaver - you can tell by the sound it makes and the particle effect when it strikes Kain.
I must say that this is one of the best scenes of the game. Think about it- why would Kain have such high hopes of Raziel when you think that he tossed Raziel into the abyss before? And the line "You are the only unbound creature. You.. have..a..chooice!!"-absolutely amazing and brilliant!!
It's called Ozar Midrashim, by Information Society. The 'real' version is preceded by a rather lengthy (45 second?) nonsensical monologue, it's kind of surreal really, and worth checking out.
He talks telepathically. Telekinetics is moving things without touching them.
the most epic batle among the greates charachters
I mostly think of Kain as the "hero, who doesn't act like a hero". I mean, from the beginning his goal was to save Nosgoth, he just got his ... darker style. Luckily for us, I'd say.
Who else wishes they would bring this game to PS3, for purchase/download.
Remastered HD graphics, and all.
I love this game.
After the Earth Temple, you proceed back to the Cathedral, down into the depths as Raziel, fight a boss there, brief dialog, then you're here.
i never had trouble kicking Raziels ass but i thought fighting Kain was hard.
@Katalmach : Yes, you are right - in fact it was raziels desicion to kill kain to get the heart of darkness, because he wanted to resurrect janos, but i think he was a little bit influenced and manipulated by the hyldens - therefore the green eyes...
"Woe to The Conquered"
Such an Awesome line.
They sure loved the word "Ironic" in this game...
StigMarshall, they both fell into that trap, because Kain, so determined to find Raziel, appeared at Avernus at the worst possible time... arranged by squidy.
Man this game looks amazing! Really hope to see a proper remake
I believe she said it was because he was the Scion of Balance, not because he was the Balance Guardian. I think the intention was that if Raziel had stabbed him with the Reaver, he'd be truly dead (as Kain says, 'You bear the only weapon that can kill me').
Kain and Raziel, the two mesias of this game fight each other for death
Losing in either battle nets you a 'game over' equivalent - you technically have to win as Kain to trigger the cut scene with Raziel and begin the second half of the fight. If Raziel defeats you in the fight, you're loading your last checkpoint.
@masterermac "...but Kain's warning was lost as I slipped into the spirit realm..." - He could have recited the rest of the story word for word, Raziel wouldn't have heard it, as he was too weak to maintain his physical form at the time.
That made my day XD
@Negative365 You play as Kain half the time in Defiance. It alternates between him and Raziel.
Then you haven't been paying attention. It does that to show how their destinies are intertwined. Also, as a game-play instrument to help prevent one char from becoming "stagnant" to the player.
gotta agree with you there hes just so damn quick!
The same Hylden that formerly possessed Turel. This is in part what fueled his rage and incited him to attack and kill Kain.
It's also quite an awesome mechanic - you've got to realize that the game up till this point has Kain and Raziel separated in time by 500 years - yet they both see the signs that this is their destiny. The switch mid-fight, too, is fantastic - just when you think you know who the victor is, suddenly, you realize you were very wrong.
This is soooooooooo exciting!!!
because when he saw Raziel with wings in SR1 he realised that he was the 'saviour of Nosgoth' and assumed he was meant to kill Kain, so he thought he'd solve it all by having him killed.
But then realized that it would make no difference cos of fate.
I think :S
Isn't that song "Ozar Midrashim" from Soul Reaver 1's opening that for some reason wasn't included in the soul reaver OST
It is a rare soundtrack really hard to find
ghehe played out the game I like the end boss when ya fused with kain ^^
The best and most awesome moment in the all the game.
Poor Raziel, always the eternal plaything of another's will... It's sad to see him used by the Hylden like this, without him really even realizing it.
when raziel talks to kain he has the reaver green (the spectral reaver) and when you fight with him he has the material one...
he laugh throw the spirit realm
kains laughter has far more evil sound than this one... it is defintivly raziel laughing
True, but in these cutscenes it looks alot like the Spectral Reaver.
Someone suggested on another LoK vid that when Raziel absorbed Turael, he was posessed by many weak Hylden spirits(not one strong one, like Mortanius). They increased his TK abilities but also interfered with his reasoning initially. That may explain the green-ness of the Reaver and of Raziel's eyes during the fight with Kain. I suspect Raziel stayed in control soon afterwards, which is why the green eyes never come up again.
Surely you mean the Hylden, not the Sarafan - the Sarafan were the ancient vampire hunters (of which Raziel was a prominent member). The Hylden are the vampires' ancient enemy, banished to the Demon Realm, their prison sealed with the creation of the pillars.
@absorbuse But Defiance is clearly not the end of the story - Janos has been possessed by the Hylden Lord and is running rampant. This is huge - how can you suggest this is the end? Chronologically, it is parts of SR2, parts of Defiance, Blood Omen 1, Blood Omen 2, parts of SR2, Parts of SR1, Parts of SR2 - because of all the timetravel. Storyline-wise, BO2 concludes the story, with the defeat of the Hylden Lord and the destruction of the Device / the gateway to the demon dimension.
Trully great epic moment.
This was a very intense battle.
After he killed Turel, he didn't just get Turel's soul. If you watch, you can see after the blue soul comes out, the green Hylden ones are all sucked into him too.
The only thing left to resolve is how Kain decides to deal with the Hylden...which is no forgone conclusion. The Hylden weren't bad until the ancient vampires started the war with them at the behest of the Elder God. If they are just victims like everyone else, and the pillars were erected to keep them banished, whos to say that Kain tries to banish them again knowing that they arent the true guilty party. There is a big piece of the prophecy missing.
actually, Kain's "dancing around the truth" makes sense contextually, and later on in the story. He's speaking of the Hylden, who we are introduced to in Blood Omen 2. Basically, these games' plots have no meaning without knowledge of the plots before them
@masterermac We don't really have any proof that he never explained the events of Blood Omen 2...For all we know, he could've told Raziel EVERYTHING about what happens, including his beloved Umah, and he still wouldn't hear it.
To quote Joudas, "But Kain's warning was lost as I slipped into the spectral realm--".
@MegaCoolguy52 Was always the opposite for me. Raziel's roll-stab-stab-stab-stab-stab-etc move always worked pretty well for me, but Kain's equivalent seems harder to hit with.
Fine gameplay there. Its not botched even though its a walkthrough not a gameplay video.
For best results you should use time reaver with Kain(great spell) and air reaver with Raziel(great charge-up)
@albertwesker471 Nothing changes simply because you travel back or forward in time in these games, because it was meant to happen according to the timeline. The only occasion anything goes awry is when you perform a paradox. Kain and Raziel have done just that three times in the course of the series (murdering William the Just, refusing to kill Kain, preventing Raziel to enter the Reaver) and that caused near-catastrophic distortion as History tries to accommodate the anomaly.
cuz hes a fuckin vampire dude they have super strength, teleportation, and they can fly
First, watch the whole video. Secondly, yes, you're playing as Kain in the beginning. If you die (during either half of the fight), you've got to reload, there's no altered ending.
I get that they want to surprise the player, who does not yet know, so they have Kain speak in riddles to keep us in suspense. But there is no reason, character-wise, why Kain couldn't just say what he knew. Yeah, Raziel might not have believed him, but he could have at least TRIED.
There's a term which Roger Ebert uses a lot for when characters stupidly dance around saying something, purely for the sake of moving the plot forward. It's called the Idiot Plot.
I never much liked Defiance as much as the first 2 Soul Reaver games, but it had its moments. Full kudos for putting in Ozar Midrashim during the final battlWAIT, DID KAIN JUST PASS THROUGH THE FECKING WALL!?! Goddamn the collision was bad in this game.
i can only play this once a week and i am at the earth temple how far have i got until i get here
yea, its been 3 months, but I believe awhile back ago Amy Henning even stated that Kain survived because he was the Balance Guardian...I'll have to find that website again, can't remember where I got it >.
Actually Moebius didn't tell him anything, Kain figured it all out using the Chronoplast Chamber he admits it int he SR2 opening and through it he has learned of their history including the original timestream where raziel kills all vampires in SR1 and changed it into what it is now as part of his gamble to recover their destinies and revive the pillars.