How Do Taiwanese See Mandatory Military Service in 2024 | Street Interview
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since when the korean has such mission (i presume u r from S Korea)? you are too small to have such mission.
none of the children of pro-taiwanese politicians are serving or living in Taiwan should tell you something
Meanwhile the BBC is saying how well prepared and strong the Taiwan military is.
Bbc is a joke😊
@@lenchenesNo bbc is pro propaganda channel.
CNN, DW News, Fox News, BBC all the same
Well, these people they interviewed already completed their military service years ago and they only served 4 months. So your statement is quite irrelevant.
"The Ghost of Kyiv"
Taiwanese males have it easy. Singapore males have to serve 2 years plus at least 10 years in the reserve squad till 40yo. They will be call back to camp every year for fitness test, training or military exercise.
And in Taiwan they have an actual threat
Yeah. No unemployment crisis there.
Taiwanese had to serve for few years (in my generation), now it’s like doing nothing. A short service time to learn how to do cleaning 😂😂😂
they went from doing everything right to doing nothing to trying to do something right.
Same in the South korea males even worse
It is joke to train 4 months then ready for war.. Really sending the boys to hell
這是現實，可笑的台獨😂
Dang, that first guy was like a reporter
The Taiwanese government will protect you in the end? it will be soldiers and draftees that would be forced to protect the Taiwanese government and the politicians in the end!
If China invades Taiwan
No one here wants war. People are happy with their lives. Those politicians are chosen by the people in free and fair elections. Politicians do not rule the people, as in China; people rule the politicians.
Wow, you are so smart. Are you saying that in the event of war soldiers will protect the country? Just like in every other country in the world right? You are truly profound and insightful!
@@user-ds7up1fi2y He is smart. He knows the differance of being a country or a sect.
May Taiwai be peaceful and prosperous in these uncertain times
Thanks but nothing is uncertain. Say no to China so yes to freedom and democracy. We protect our own country.
If Taiwan stop brainwashing their citizens with Western Propaganda then there will be peace and security for the people of Taiwan.
they can have peace and prosperity through reunification
This Taiwai place must be a lot of fun! Where is it though? XD
@@iBeatBoxz8 So can North and South Korea and then Kim Jung Fun's reign can truly begin.
Wait, did Taiwan and PRC ever sign a truce? Aren't they still like the two Koreas? They are still both technically in a state of ceasefire.
I think they are still in a type of war, no peace agreements
you are so true. Strictly speaking, the country is still in a state of civil war, but many people choose to forget this fact.....
@@jimmyneutron3055but their ID says they are ROC not taiwan
Taiwan has not officially given up the claims on the mainland, Mongolia, parts of India and the South China Sea yet. Over 70% of Taiwan residents do not want any change to the status quo.
@@jimmyneutron3055 That's not true. Look at the additional articles of the constitution of the Republic of China amended back in 2005.
Even the first sentence states that it expects to unify: "To meet the requisites of the nation prior to national unification, ..."
In fact, it's still claiming the mainland as their own all over the constitution/amendment. Here's another one:
"Article 11
Rights and obligations between the people of the Chinese mainland area and those of the free area, and the disposition of other related affairs may be specified by law."
It only calls Taiwan as the "free area".
I remembered I saw another video where the interviewer asked people in London that “If China decided to invade Taiwan, do you think the UK should support Taiwan?” and most of British either said they don’t know enough to comment or said they do not want the UK to help Taiwan because it’s none of their country’s business (plus they already regretted to get involved and supported Ukraine). All of a sudden, I was like 😮 wow. I guess Taiwanese can be very naive sometimes (by thinking other countries will help them defeating China)
They should make women serve as well. They may not have not do military exercises but they should at least provide admin/logistical support since they are 1/2 the population of thei sland.
Nooo never 😢, the women should be Export to US
@@RichardGolD-wz3is you have issues, richard.
It's men's duty to protect the nation
Women are meant to be protected alongside children and elderly
@@baha3alshamari152 Point is, they dont even have training for that.
I don't mind serving and protecting my country, problem is the double standards and s*xist treatment to those who served and those who don't served. We are dealing with hypocrites..
For those that dont know, TWs government, Republic of China (ROC), claims to be the country called China. Their government was founded in mainland China, and once sat in the UN representing the country called China. But due to the Chinese Civil War, China was split into 2 powers , ROC and PRC. Till this day, no peace treaty nor armistice was signed so technically speaking, the civil war is still technically ongoing. And civil war means war within the *same* country. So "TW" isnt "another" country. Their government still claims to be the country called China.
They only agreed there was 1 china, they nvr specified who was the true govt body of china.
@@Jalee4852 They, as in ROC and PRC? Yes, thats correct. They never came to the agreement on who is the legitimate ruler of this "One China". But that doesnt matter as long as they agree that TW is part of this "One China".
And thats just the consensus between ROC and PRC. On the world stage however is another story. All world powers and the UN agree with PRC that _they_ are the legitimate governing body of this "One China". Thats why ROC got kick off and PRC replaced them in the UN.
@@Jalee4852 The majority power is the government body. Isn't that plain? All democracies in the world practise this principle. That's why the government in Taiwan was removed from the UN China seat in 1971, as they were deemed to be incapable of legitimately representing China, being the minority political party and having lost the civil war.
The thing is a lot of Taiwanese try to disassociate themselves from the notion of China even though their own government is named The Republic of China. They want to be separated from the PRC yet don't want to be acknowledged as ROC. To those I say that's all fine and dandy, just declare complete independence from the notion of China and see what happens.
In practice, it's two different countries. They share the same culture, but there's no reason they couldn't recognize each other. Only thing keeping the conflict in life support is pride.
Would like to see this interview done in Mainland
If you search the channel 寒國人 , a Taiwanese living in China has done similar interviews with local Chinese on Taiwan issues
mainland do not need mandatory service
@@user-yt7dq2kl2t Mainland do have mandatory service however it is not strictly enforced for obvious reasons (don't need that many soldiers).
@@Lin-eo5xu The obvious reasons are you must be outstanding enough or have some kinds of 'relationship'.
@@user-yt7dq2kl2t Come on, just need to change the questions a little.
I am Taiwanese and all the women around me support maintaining a male-only compulsory service.
Hope you are not fighting for gender equality XD
Funny that these ppl only take 4 month training but looked forward to having well-trained Japanese and American soldiers put their lives on the line when war broke out. I said come on, are you serious?!
They don't see war with China their fight.
Us doesn't want their vassal state to put up a fight if they ever decided to rebel. Japan and sk are in the same situation...
Funny that you think Washington wouldn't be the reason for war in the Taiwan Strait?? You probably also think Washington isn't behind what's happening in Ukraine too!
@@geofflecren8827 So are American soldiers dying to fight in Ukraine? Even aid has been delayed. NATO is the ally of the United States, then US supports Ukraine, but basically provides only money and weapons. What is Taiwan?
Taiwan is still a colony and the current government wants to keep it that way.
it's just a country's tradition thing, one of a life time experience,just like your average summer camp just with a bit of cardio
When you're worried about the pain from a haircut while facing a war of epic proportions . . . better advocate for peace.
Surrender you mean?
Rooting for America and relying on them to protect you might be all fun and games, but when push comes to shove, most people will not want to risk their lives. Unfortunately many of them just don't realize America treats them as collateral damage and cannon fodder.
3km in 20mins for a soldier? Even my high school had a higher standard than that!
What do you expect from strawberry army?
@@Nihonjindesuka1Even that's not enough 😂
@@Nihonjindesuka1 obviously you never served in Taiwan army.
Are they in full gear? Because that's a lot harder
@@fisho2o8were is the strawberrys?
Finally some content that is relevant to real world issues
I did 3mths Basic military training, 2 mths advance trade course for my assigned unit, 2 mths specialist (NCO) course, 2month course for my unit specialist course to be finally operational.
9mths of training just to be operationally ready and 1 year+ in my assigned unit. For the enlisted they need at least 6-7mths training ( minus the specialist course), for officers that is even longer.
4 mths conscription is as good as throwing lives away during actual war. How do you train someone to be a soldier in 4mths? Most likely end up as fodders, so what is the point?
yep. just cannon fodder.
My Taiwanese classmate served for a year. I think he got lucky as it used to be 2 years.
Because Taiwanese people believe that once a war breaks out, Americans, Japanese, and Koreans will help them fight it.
Will young people still be willing to be soldiers when they may encounter unmanned robots in the future?
Should be collab with Ray 😂
Was looking for a comment about Rayquan
Nah he might already in the camp
13:38 Ray told Kai seriously that cuz China will invade this year so he have to be in army cuz of law, which is contradictory to these interviewee’s opinions
I found this illuminating and informative.
Honestly, Taiwanese youth have had it too easy for a generation or more. I'm an outsider but I do not like their chances if it comes down to China Taiwan vs. China Mainland forces. How can a military recruited from a population of 24,000,000 compete against a well funded and motivated military drawn from 1,400,000,000?
Why should it be any different?
Taiwan have been buying security from the U.S
Protection is the security guard’s job, not the office worker’s.
You're an outsider, so you don't really know. There's your answer.
@@BBarNavi 您是台灣人嗎？
What motivation? We have everything to lose these soldiers have nothing to gain. Even a cornered beast will fight desperately, let alone when it is defending its own home.
'Well funded and motivated' lol
The interviewer should have been more precise. You can tell the interviewer and most interviewees don’t really understand the evolution of military service there. Reinstating military conscription this year it’s actually a 180 from the all volunteer military scheme achieved only 4-5 years ago. They get it wrong because the transition took many years and some form of military service have existed during the transition and never completely stopped. They also get it wrong because the government mostly represented the reinstatement as a duration change from 4 months to 1 year for popular consumption. But in reality, it’s a full reinstatement of conscription military service 5 years after it ended.
Taiwan started to transitioned from a conscription military to voluntary military about 15 years ago. During the transition period, conscription was reduced in length, morphed into a civil voluntary service and actually completely ended in 2019. The 4 months service talked about so often is actually considered as “military training”, not actual military service. But under mostly external factors (i.e. Chinese threats, US urging, Ukraine, etc.) the government did a 180. But instead of full reinstatement and restoring the more meaningful 2+ year compulsory service, they took the easy way out and messaged it as if it’s only a simple extension from 4 months to 1 year.
Taiwan’s problem is their goal of a full voluntary military never was able to attract enough soldiers and the desire to field more bodies caused the reversal. But the way they went about the reversal is problematic and not likely to help their military readiness. If anything, it would likely make it worse. What they should have done, instead of blanket conscription, was to institute a lottery and draft only as many bodies to fill what the gaps the volunteers can not fill. This way the unlucky guys that get drafted can be trained and paid like professional soldiers, serving the same duration. The current scheme will create a 2 tier military with more conscripts serving shorter duration than the number of professional soldiers. Imagine if you were a commander of such a mixed unit.
By the way, this is actually similar to the CCP system except they never have to actually do it since they haven’t ever run short of volunteers.
Taiwanese join the army without conviction, more out of compulsion. Give these guys a choice, they won't even agree to serve.
@@wynterwei9628 That’s not a Taiwan problem. It’s fairly universal for compulsory military service during peace time. That’s why many countries, including the US, find professional voluntary army a better solution especially in the age of more sophisticated equipment and less need for large number of soldiers.
Another problem with Taiwan is none of their military leaders have any actual combat experience especially modern combat. Many of their training and decisions are still based on very old doctrines. Luckily their CCP adversaries are in the same boat.
To be honest... 4 month is a joke... 1 yr is slightly better but still hardly enough... 2 yr is a more optimum length of time... Which was what Taiwan HAD... Before ending compulsory military service in the early 2000s...
Really interesting interview! Lol that Totoro theme music in the background at the end XD
Glad I'm not the only one to have noticed! *fist bump*
I am always interested in Taiwanese views for the following situation:
1）There are two political entities which were engaged in a war.
2）Although there has been no military conflicts between them for decades, there is not any treaty to end / pause the war yet.
Do you think the war is over? If not over, how the war can end?
1:09 bro holding the invisible mic
So they fool their working class into fighting for their leaders too
**For USA Military complex
Can't agree more for the Party's Loyal Army. They have been fooled.
fool? More like forced.
Wow what a bunch of fools in the comment section. Most taiwanese don't want to join China
4-month is a vacation with the gym facility 😂
4 months is enough for the bare basics. It takes a year or two to train a soldier properly.
Basics is just for basic simulation. When the real war breaks out, the first thing they will do is run and scream for mama
These young people are too naive. Whether Taiwan returns to China or becomes independent is the result of the struggle between China and the United States. Taiwan is just a pawn and cannot decide anything. In addition, under the long-term anti-communist education in Taiwan, many young people actually do not know much about mainland China, but have been brainwashed into hating the Chinese government. Recently, several Taiwanese RUclipsrs traveled to the mainland. They saw the real China and fell in love with it, but were attacked by Taiwan’s green media. What's funny is that the Taiwan government still claims to be democratic and free.
Spot on 🎯
Taiwan is not independent from the US nor China. It is a vassal at best. Independence is defined by its foreign policy and defense adequacy.
May I ask for link for the video, I've actually been trying to find content where taiwanese or hong kongese people visiting china for the first time.
@@gonshin881 鍾明軒
@@gonshin881 search 小杰不到一百六 or CC說走就走
The interviewees answers are quite embarassing. Did they really took part in any real training?😂😂😂
Need more soldiers? Woman conscription.
In the US, people who served will never give such low scores for its training usefulness. If you ask a Marine or a airborne solider, they will see themselves as a man vs a boy between before and after
Can you also put Mandarin subtitles together with the English ones? Thanks
4:27 These 2 guys are true rascals, regarding the 4 months service like a joke 🤣
@yukuhana Are they wrong though?
义务兵与志愿兵的区别，了解下就行，中国大陆想当兵都难😂
我当初就因为近视被刷了，我家周围几个健身房里的教练好几个都是退役的兵哥，卧槽他们那一身的无敌腱子肉。听我教练讲他过去的训练那真是听着就又累又疼。退役了政府会包工作，不过一般都是国企里收入不高但是比较稳定的工作。我那个教练嫌钱少人还年轻就趁肌肉还没消失来当健身教练了。
@@user-ve3oj9km7u 退役后去当地武装部的也很多，我几个同学就是
义务兵=征兵制下的强制服役。没有工资，但是有微弱的补贴。
志愿兵=服完义务役后，仍希望继续服役并且被接纳继续服役的职业军人。有工资。
After the year 2000, military training started to ease up due to Taiwan's political climate. Politicians don't want to get into trouble and lose votes. So you can see these young men do not really have the best military sense. However, there are tons of YT videos showing what the Taiwan army looked like before 2000. We just need to bring the training back to the same level. We will get more confidence and respect... as always, I am optimistic about Taiwan, my sweet home.
People calling the Taiwanese people lucky as if they aren't under threat of China... 😐
Shouldn’t rely on America to back you up.
1 year in military make you a Slightly stronger civilian, for a year or two. Still can’t survive missile bombing tho😅
more like militia
The only service I had to do, was bar duty during my studies.🍻
meanwhile mainland Chinese military service time is 3 years for army and 4 years for navy and air force. that's 10 times longer than the 4 months and 3 to 4 times compared to the new 1 year of Taiwanese military service time. They also have 2 million combat personnel with weapons systems 1 to 2 generations ahead. If this is not desperation, I don't know what is
他們還有很多希望 比如中國崩潰 全世界其他國家派兵保護台灣 因為大家支持民主 需要台灣晶片
把希望寄托在 中国崩溃 世界保护台湾因为民主 你自己信么？洋人都说了你们这是民粹主义，
Similar to Singapore then, but ours is 2 years of National Service and up to 10 cycles of reservist
How much is your salary? Is it more than the median wage?
@@user_thelongwayaround nope, not even close
@@KeyT3ch Ours was a quarter of the minimum wage. After the reform, the salary is still half of it in the first 2 months and almost the minimum wage for the rest of the one year service.
新加坡军队完全是象征意义，因为这个地方太小了。马来西亚100：1跟你们换新加坡也无法取得胜利。不过新加坡外交厉害，在中美之间完美的平衡了关系。
台灣人民對侍自己的國防不盡力不盡心！ 4個月只不過是一個渡假行程，一年能上戰場嗎？ 自己去思考一下
The people of Taiwan have until 2028 to prepare for the inevitable invasion by the People's Liberation Army.
台湾根本别浪费钱了，你除非划去夏威夷，否则根本不可能和平独立，独立只有面对战争，我要说台湾人我早就移民走了，因为美国要打台湾牌遏制大陆，他目前认为通过和欧盟，日本合作还能干翻中国，一旦他认为引爆台湾就能更加团结欧盟，日本，发生战争不过是迟早的事
台湾聪明人有钱人早就移民走了比如那个曹兴诚，自己移民新加坡，儿子移民美国，然后出钱让台湾人卖命，看看有钱人怎么做，自己跟着做就对了
你如何证明国家属于人民自己？拒绝战争应是每个人的自由。
The survival rate of Ukrainian new recruits on the battlefield is pitifully low.
The best defense is to keep the act of starting a military attack not profitable, while building the defense force itself is only a part of the strategic defense.
Then unless you know who really wants the fame of “bringing back the island”, nothing would happen
4 months to 1 year starting from this year? Sorry to break the bubble but it's useless against the PLA. I'd rather not serve the period at all and try to make up with mainland China while maintaining major autonomy. Like it or not, Taiwan and Mainland China are connected by blood, culture, history and constitution.
of course 4 months is very short time in the army. 1 year is also short.
in South Korea, people serve in the army for almost 2 years.
as for your nonsense China and Taiwan having close ties with eachother because of history, blood, heritage, language or whatever is pathetic.
Germany and Austria.
or Scandinavian countries have shared history, heritage, culture, language, etc.
same with Spain and Spanish speaking South American countries.
this doesn't mean all of us need to respect the "motherland".
USA started a war of independence and won against the most powerful nation in human history at some point, the British Empire.
Taiwan at this point has nothing in common anymore with China.
China is a dictatorship.
Taiwan is a democratic free country.
@@LevisH21 Go study the constitution of Republic of China🇹🇼 and People's Republic of China 🇨🇳
They both claim each other's territory.
Fun fact: 🇹🇼 this flag came from mainland China
The national anthem also came from mainland China. There is no Taiwan as a country, it is just a province of China, depending on which China you side with 🇨🇳🇹🇼
@@LevisH21 You don't know anything about history! I want to ask a question: Did the government of the Republic of China and the government of the People's Republic of China sign a ceasefire agreement?
@@LevisH21😂hilarious comment . Not Taiwanese or brainwashed.
Aiyo, please, singaporeans have to do 2 years! They practice bayonet drills?!! What is this, preparation for WW1??? They are practising to be drone fodder. 😅
I have no idea why singapore needs to be so militarized
Yeah it’s so outdated. I’m curious. What’s Singaporeans training like?
@@zekdopa591 Because your peace and safety can be taken away from you... Just ask the Ukrainian....
@@tsunghan_yu bayonet drills... Are like marching drills... Or polishing your boots... Its meant to impart discipline...
Because Taiwanese people believe that once a war breaks out, Americans, Japanese, and Koreans will help them fight it.
interview singapore please. where need enlistment to protect CECA?
Interesting to hear some real ideas from people living in the Republic of China.
Taiwan is republic of China One country Two system hope Taiwanese are smart not to fall for US bs 😊
We are smart not to fall for CCP BS ❤
I was surprised to see so many Taiwanese residents admit that their mandatory military training and service was totally insufficient and a waste of time. I hope that Taiwanese politicians can retire all their political theatre and stop wasting the lives of their male residents for the sake of appeasing the west. Ironically for all the accusations mainland China receives about labor camps, we don't implement a draft, which for anyone who is critical of military-industrial complexes, is ostensibly just a labor camp sentence lol
The western news about Taiwan are totally different to their local news. Majority of them don’t want a war and knowing they won’t win.
把大叔拉回去补8个月吧
Taiwanese women should also be mandated to serve as well. Taiwan is just a speck of dust on the map compared to mainland China. It should be like Israel where everyone has to serve because the potential threat is so great. Even if women aren't being enlisted in combat roles, they should at least have some form of practical military training in the event that the unthinkable happens.
"Be careful, the squad leader's watching." At least he knows he can make his critiques public without having to worry about his social credit score... ;)
"The Taiwanese government will protect us in the end." How naively optimistic. If China were to invade, the citizens would be tasked with doing the protecting, not the politicians.
It's a matter of professional training. Zhina sends cannon fodder, while Taiwan focuses on professional soldiers using very specialized equipment. The problem for the latter is that it's not using its potential properly, thinking that a few super soldiers can take care of fighting for everyone.
Yep they need to be like Israel
@@BBarNavi No, they are relying on the US to save them.
喔欧喔欧，这里没人敢冒犯女性主义者。😂
Nooo, export women to US , they will happy
The last young man asking outsiders to hopefully (I have little confidence myself) to better understand that there is not only one USA dominated narrative is quite profound. The situation is complex and deep and best understood by the Chinese on both sides of the Taiwan Strait.
Yea.. asking "outsiders" (quite an odd comment since everyone receives news indirectly, citizen or not) to consider both sides. Major issue here which people keep forgetting, is that one side has blatant (uncontested) censorship, bans, and propaganda with language and the internet firewall used politically.
Was it the US that told Xi to do the military exercises around Taiwan the moment they elected their new President? Was it the US that hired someone to stab their own people in China? Was it the Americans who paid off Chinese mainstream and social media to say things like 'leave the island but not the people'? Wow. So the PRC has been a puppet of the US all this while!
Well said just that the Government in Taiwan is changing the school text books to teach their Yong the US narrative that is causing these conflicts.
“By the Chinese on both sides of the Taiwan Strait” you mean the Taiwanese? They are a distinct, self governing country. The whole reason this video is relevant in the first place is because they have to train to protect themselves from Chinese invasion.
@@Skapoexactly illustrating the point in the original comment lmao
Very well said by the last guy
What most westerners don’t grasp is that China and Taiwan’s relations are, historically, quite deep. Relations in business, academics and family. Not that that justifies some vague notion of “independence” or “unification,” but it means that there is a HUGE spectrum of options between total war and total surrender.
THAT is why Taiwanese civilians are not rushing to enlist in the army to “defend their home.” They know that China is not out to destroy them, and that both sides are just searching for a sustainable security arrangement.
The status quo survives because both sides believe that such an arrangement can someday be reached diplomatically.
Your average armchair warmonger would never understand it unless it’s your own family relations across the Taiwan Strait. The world is not binary. Nor is the solution space of the Taiwan Strait.
Asking americans to have deeper undertanding of taiwan is basicly like asking a handyman to care about how their screwdriver is made
@@tedwong7037 I mean I’d kinda care but I get your point hahaha
05:03 上战场才是最完美的体验，你错过了
上战场很有可能不幸阵亡。只要看看俄乌战争就会知道。
They should train in non conventional warfare...more drone operators...1 year is short...they gotta think out of the box to counter a giant
I’ve known about Korean military service for a while but didn’t know Taiwan had it too 😮
Respect to the Taiwanese from Finland! We also have mandatory military service here for 6, 9 or 12 months depending on your training. 4 months does seem way too short and it's good for it to be extended.
I don't know what you are respecting? The training intensity of Taiwanese male soldiers is even less intense than that of Chinese female soldiers.
none of your business 👈🏻🤣
@@whisky1991q I don't know alot about what their training entails, but a smaller country staying ready and standing up for itself is respectable.
@@psycele2859 Bro, is Taiwan recognized by the United Nations? You said you are from Finland, but Finland does not recognize Taiwan as a country. Taiwan is just a province of China, and Taiwanese soldiers are China's rebel forces.
Thank you ❤ Respect to Finland from Taiwan ❤
4 months seemed short, raising it to 1 yr seems about right but still insufficient relative to their existential risk. (It is obviously a very undesirable situation as you consume thousands of people's time but , oh well... with their huge and hostile neighbor there isn't much option). Also, they seem oblivious and excessively trusting that their 'government will take care of them'... the same government that is not even preparing them in case of an actual invasion. To me, they should be much more ready, like Korea or Israel ready. Finally, they should involve women much more in national defense. Taiwan is progressive in Asia, after all, so gender equality should apply to the military as well.
听他们描述感觉像极了中国大陆入学军训要学的内容😂皮毛而已😂
What about Maryland and WashingtonDC? USA was in Iraq, Afghanistan, Israel, Ethiopia, Liberia, Norway. Usa Marines 26th expeditionary force.
The United States has withdrawn its troops from Afghanistan
I was made to complete a full 30 months military service in Singapore 26 years ago when the world was much lesser a dangerous place back then. A service of 4 months long does seem like a joke to me. Perhaps Taiwanese authorities gave up whatever slim hope of what they might have in face of an overwhelmingly large neighbour and having such a policy was just paying a lip service to the public. (>_
Nah it’s populism. Politician reduced the service time because people don’t want to do military service.
As a second gen Chinese-Canadian with relatives in Mainland, here's how I see the China-Taiwan situation.
1. The legal difference between China and Taiwan is a political one, this stems from the Chinese Civil war which ended with Mainland being the People's Republic of China (PRC) and Taiwan being the (at the time) temporary base for Republic of China (ROC)
2. The question then is whether or not Taiwan should disgard its title as the Republic of China which technically lays claim on both Taiwan and the entire mainland + outer Mongolia (until 2002) and become its own sovereign+political entity which only includes the island.
3. In an ideal world where politics + geopolitics are dictated by ideals such as equal and complete national sovereignty for all countries regardless of size and power, of course the Taiwanese people should be entitled to a referendum overseen by the UN (which can actually enforce international laws cough cough) to decide their own fate if they wish to do so.
4. However, as most people who watch this channel probably knows, the world is not an ideal one. We can strive for ideals but I believe that geopolitics must be seen through the lens of Realpolitik. So what will happen to Taiwan if they do declare independence as Taiwan and not as ROC? I think Mainland will immediately launch a military campaign, regardless of consequences. This is a matter of principle and one of the few things the PRC is inflexible on so the fact that Green Party leaders such as Cai Yingwen and Lai Qingde keep pushing this notion to win the popular vote is in my opinion selfish and stupid. In the end, if war breaks out it's the regular people who will suffer, these leaders already have their assets ready overseas and can leave whenever they want. It's very dangerous when a region's political leaders interests aren't completely tied to the area they're supposed to represent. For myself, I would rather have anything other than war.
5. But let's say that China doesn't lauch war against Taiwan after it announces independence, is it all sunshine and rainbows afterwards? Obviously no, the Taiwanese people are currently in their most advantageous position in between China and America where they are wooed by both sides. If people are interested I would encourage looking into historical Chinese policies towards Taiwanese merchants/businessmen, let's say it's quite generous. That's why Chinese sanctions in the past years have been effective, because these economic ties exist in the first place. I'm not saying this is wrong or right I'm just saying that this is something that happened historically. To be honest, if Taiwan were to declare "independence" it would just become another satellite state to the US with real economic, political and social impact similar to what would happen if Taiwan were to be reintegrated back into China. As people have stated in the video, the best thing for Taiwan would just to carry on in the current state.
6. The above are just some of my most logical analysis, as someone who have roots in mainland China I of course have a lot of emotional/biased opinion on this topic but I don't think it's as helpful to everyone else. Honestly, I think the above viewpoint is the worst one to have because it gets me a lot of heat from both sides but it is what it is. Thanks to everyone who finished the entire essay and hopefully it was interesting/helpful!
None of us want war but the way China is provoking everyone in South East Asia, using even the Philippines to escalate the situation, and lying right on everyone's faces that they aren't doing anything illegal, you know their intentions are loud and clear. Now they are bringing Russia into the picture as well. Disregarding international laws. There's even a reported one death of a fisherman in the EEZ of the Philippines, perpetrated by a Chinese vessel that is currently heading to Indonesia. And the fact that Philippines are only doing what is right to protect their territory, China injuring and killing these people in their own backyard is an indication that China is pushing for war.
It's like testing other countries patience and ones it causes a trigger, they will likely make that a reason to retaliate. And if other countries does respond to protect their ally, I'm sure that will give China a reason to take Taiwan as well.
Just say your a c.cp bot who loves dictatorships, no, taiwan will not become a dictatorship.
if taiwan becomes independent, u.s will definitely setup bases on the island, so how do you think china will feel about that?
if taiwan does a referendum, to be fair you'll also need a referendum in china if they allow taiwan to be independent or reunify as it cannot be one sided issue...
@@fatdoi003 Yes I completely agree with your assessment, that’s part of the reason why China will never allow Taiwan to become independent. Jinmen (or Kinmen) is a small island off the coats of the main island and is within swimming distance to Mainland China. There is no way China can allow Taiwan which holds such strategic geography to fall under the control of a foreign power. There is also the question if the airspace/naval geography of Taiwan which is extremely important to China. When the civil war just ended and ROC was still much more advanced in terms of more the equipment/resource heavy navy, the PRC was basically cut off from the southeastern part of the ocean off its eastern coast. Just these two points alone makes the prevention of Taiwanese independence a basic principle of the PRC
As a Singaporean/Hong Kong/Mainland Chinese American with Kuomintang tie, I don’t watch news about China and Taiwan, those are foreign countries, the best I hope is conflict will not be happening, but I do not want to nor cared enough to be involved with this.
Taiwan will probably not going to be able to resist though.
Wearing a beanie in Taiwan in summer, wow!
what ignorant masses don't understand is Taiwan's mandatory service was for by default 2 years decades just like South Korea or Singapore. It was only around 10 years ago, the cross strait relationship was so good it was repeatedly reduce to 4 months. Thanks to US influence and international dictatorship that we are now once again talking about increasing the duration
Asian Boss, you should be asking difficult questions like what you did during your interviews in Mainland China. Questions like: Are you afraid of DPP arresting for being pro_unification?
不谈政治，作为大陆人很难想象要服义务兵役，那可太苦了，国家未必属于每一个普通人，每个人都应该有选择的自由。
但不管社会主义国家还是资本主义国家，许多国家有义务服兵役。台湾也有。南北朝鲜也有。甚至有些国家妇女也要服兵役。如：以色列有女兵。还好我国日本没有。
中國人談選擇的自由？
哈哈
大陆也有义务兵役制。根据兵役法，“中华人民共和国实行以志愿兵役为主体的志愿兵役与义务兵役相结合的兵役制度。中华人民共和国公民，不分民族、种族、职业、家庭出身、宗教信仰和教育程度，都有义务依照本法的规定服兵役。年满十八周岁的男性公民，应当被征集服现役；当年未被征集的，在二十二周岁以前仍可以被征集服现役。普通高等学校毕业生的征集年龄可以放宽至二十四周岁，研究生的征集年龄可以放宽至二十六周岁。”
@@jennychuang808不让别人谈论自由本身就是不自由😂
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翻牆現行犯談言論自由？
那麼貴國政府？
One year in camp while their girls will have fun with foreigners or othert tw guys ;)
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Taiwan Island had chosen another Zelensky as their president, these youngsters would soon become canon fodder.
Exactly that is the point
God forbid a people fight off and an invading power instead of just being cuckolded.
🤣Those leaders that want war , all their kids are oversea.
Only send other people kids to the front line
😅And those politicians create a “black bear warriors ” club, as an excuse for their kids not to "officially" join the military .
So during conf1ict , they have no obligation to stay back.
You think they really chose him? It is about who is the least incapable.
Taiwan should not listen to USA MADNESS
Taiwanese should press their elected representatives to sit down with counterpart in mainland to talk about unification of the Chinese nation. Instead of catering to chinese's arch rivals in Japan and the America.
How do taiwanese see cigarette butts on the streets?
5:26 This guy doesn't seem to understand the importance of deterrence of a large conscript army for his own existence, it's not just something "the government requires."
Of course not only the army is part of the deterrence, also the U.S Navy plays a big role.
Taiwan is our own mainland and China is China.
@naminami1108 Tell your politicians to change your constitution and name then! Your constitution still claims mainland China as part of your territory. And your name is still Republic of CHINA. Change it to Republic of Taiwan!
那赶紧立宪独立啊，不立宪独立国际怎么承认你们？连米国巴巴都不敢设个大使馆，自己自嗨吗？😂
Go right ahead and amend your constitution. Oh wait, the DPP doesn't have a legislative majority because half of Taiwan hates them.
United Nation General Assembly 2758 does not says so. 😂
Taiwan constitution says its name is Republic of China, its land includes both China and Taiwan island
Every man should go through a rite of passage that tests physical and mental strengths in the community, and today, many cultures have lost this aspect, so that's why we see so many weak men in the west
fighting for america.....
Taiwanese mandarin sounds so bad
It's not any different from Mandarin spoken in southern Fujian
我倒觉得台湾腔的华语听起来比较柔和。东北腔的华语又刺耳又难听。东北人嗓门很大。好像吵架似的。
Quite the opposite. Taiwanese mandarin sounds sweet and cute
Ah bian 😝
@@hn-wl7ty yucks!
年輕人認為國與國間的衝突是 “政黨或政府之間的事”... 那真的是公民教育不及格
本来就是，一个中国被你们教育出两个才是不及格
那说明年轻人并不认可现在的政府和政策，不想当炮灰，白白替政客送命
@@okayyeah-bn8lx 應該參與政治，審慎投票。制度如此，怨人無用。
放棄自己的參與或者隨意投票，然後抱怨政府或政治黑暗，那就是不合格的公民。這樣的人成為棟樑還是炮灰韭菜全憑運氣不負責任
民主制度本來就需要參與者有自覺，犧牲一些收入時間關心公共事務。社會才可能進步。
@@JenghanHsieh 唉您应该好好看看西方的民主选举制度是什么结果，现在全世界已经很明显了，所有精力浪费在选举里，而不是实实在在地搞建设。民主应该是政府能够站在人民的立场上去行动，而不是一人一票
@@JenghanHsieh 万一是越关心越哪个都不想选呢？就像现在美国
Don’t like wars
They have no ballls
我是大陸人，只能說台灣大部分人都遠遠低估了習謀求任內統一的決心。或許你們真應該多看看王局的分析，對你們瞭解對岸政治思維有極大幫助。
你这装得太不像了。某个领导人的个人野心从来都不是中共政治的重点，这是典型的反华媒体编造出来的话术。
又来装大陆人了是吧
听到最后，感觉都是一只只鸵鸟，“不会打仗，我不相信会打仗”，不打仗干嘛天天军机去绕台？以为真的是去观光的吗？还不是赌某一天哪个台湾新兵沉不住气先开火，那我们这边就有理由动手了啊。为什么跟中国有矛盾的所有国家，跟中国军人正面冲突的时候都只敢用冷兵器不敢拿枪？上次拿枪的是越南人，解放军听到前线回报对方开枪了，都忍不住高兴的语气了。
他们只会喊毒菜啦，因为习在任期修改了宪法，也不想想是为什么才修改的
是的 不那啥他都不会改那啥
They're going to lose this war just like the last one.
last guy couldn't have said it better.
Im actually scared for Taiwan. China is already trying to make friends with countries that would probably want to help Taiwan
Taiwan has really been spoiled and need a good and thorough lesson 😅
🤣And those politicians create a “black bear warriors ” club, as an excuse for their kids not to "officially" join the military .
So during conf1ict , they have no obligation to stay back.
9:11 This bro's laugh is so contagious, I love it!
The service is either for educational purpose, like the middle-aged man said, or to stimulate fear and hate to China and a sense of false safety by the current green party. If war ever breaks out, Taiwanese military won't stand a chance if not interfered by US and their allies. War is about population, industry and technology, the strait is easily defensible but still won't compensate for the huge difference in sheer power. However, if the Taiwanese are resilient enough like the Vietnamese and engage in guerrilla warfare, it might make the occupying CCP make recessions, but that's probably all. But in reality, war is very unlikely like most answers, and I do pray there be no war, China might end itself if war breaks out due to embargo and sanctions (those who engage embargo and sanctions would also suffer, since we have global chains now), in best case for them, would be stagnant and downfall of economy, but that will take place after they occupy Taiwan. The chance for US and allies to really send troops to Taiwan if war breaks out is also slim. US send none to Ukraine, an almost member of EU, and that has dragged on for 2 years.
Lol..... Reunification is inevitable for Taiwan province.
从大陆人的角度来说，或者接收到的信息，基本上大陆对台湾的态度一直没有变过，基本上都是两岸一家亲，统一是必然，和平统一是优先考虑，但是不放弃武力统一的选项。而台湾这边在我们看来，换一个领导人，对两岸的态度就会有很大的不同，政策不连贯，前后矛盾，后面的领导人不认前面领导人达成的协议，而且基本上后面偏绿的政客为了自己的票仓，时不时的主动跳出来说一些刺激两岸关系的话语，主动挑起两岸的对立。如果台湾的民众真的想要保持现状，能不能管住你们选出来的这些政客的嘴呢。
They only train 4 months and expect us to come over and die for them? screw that!
that's just those who are not part of the armed forces as a profession
strawberry army mate... can't expect too much
I'm seriously doubting Asian Boss's credibility at the moment because its been 1 years conscription for about 5 years now.
@@billygoatgruff3536 MOST people that have been in training have not undergone the 1 year conscription. So MOST people in TW are not combat ready. Thats the reality. Whats there to even doubt?
@@imprezabobwhich are the majority. What do you expect from the full time soldiers? 1 vs 1million?
Too heavy too skinny...thats what training is for
Well i avoided the Taiwanese conscription service.....
because during my younger years i was serving in the US military from 2002 to 2018. deployed all over the world.
The people in the video seem so lackadaisical and naive when it comes to China…if China does attack, how can they expect US & the world to help when Taiwanese themselves are unwilling to fight?
The public doesn't believe China will actually attack Taiwan civilians. That's why. You can see how Taiwan's army struggles to maintain headcount.
If you believe China is about to rain missiles on Taiwanese cities, you've read too much Fox and CNN. They've been maintaining a delicate balance for more than half a century now. The desire for maintaining peace is something Americans won't understand because unlike East Asians, their culture is not collectivist and familial.
Who are you to be more of an expert on china?
Have you ever considered that you've been propagandists to?
说起话磕磕巴巴一头雾水，对战争没有一点概念，儿戏政治真的害人
普通老百姓你想要人家怎么高谈阔论？中国同样几十年没打过仗了，随机采访几个路人有几个对战争有概念的？
中国那种 “留岛不留人” 的言论就算是对战争有概念吗？可笑
@@Ealsante 你当真了，那可笑的是谁不必多说
@@DejaVuEXP 俄乌巴以新闻天天播，你不看的吗？
@@DejaVuEXP 更别说这些可都是服过兵役的普通老百姓