The guys in Joy Divison were 20, 21 when they created this. Unreal. A piece of existential art that is timeless. Stuff that almost none of us won't ever produce in our entire lifetimes. A frightening thought.
@Steely Dan 5000 I have. You can buy my first book Claus and Claws on Amazon - but it's a Christmas tale, so not best read in summer. No, the point is that most of the best music, IMO, is made by really young people. This is not the case with literature or painting. It's astonishing what some of these people achieve before they are 25. Jimi Hendrix and Jim Morrison didn't even see 30. Nor did Ian Curtis.
It depends on what your into. Its a form of genius molding the old with something now to make something new but also timeless. it can only be timeless if its your own work(just my opinion). Those are great references but I think some people have it and some don’t. it takes time and patience not many people have the heart for especially living in the age of information like we do now. Your ideas are also worthless if you have no experience of practice or feeling or being in a particular environment. Johnny Ramone was about to turn 27 when things just started getting serious for the Ramones. Steven Pressfield was almost 50 before he blew up im guessing. Bernard Hopkins etc. Slint (Spiderland) teens. Sleaford Mods are in there 40s. So yeah it has more to do with it then age
Fun fact. Martin Hannett made Stephen Morris go up to the roof of the studio, disassemble his drum kit, reassemble it, and then practice until Martin came back hours later
That’s actually two stories rolled into one. He did get Morris to dismantle his drumkit but that’s not as weird as it sounds. They could hear something squeaking on the kit and couldn’t work out what it was so they had to dismantle the kit to find it. It was a separate occasion when they had the kit on the roof which again isn’t that weird really when you consider his work with reverb. He was probably just trying to get a recording where there were no reflections coming off ceilings and walls so that he could “create” the space the drums were in later. 24hr Party People is a great film but a fair bit of it is made up of parts that are a few little stories rolled into one and some of the film has no basis in fact at all.
The amount of bands that started up after watching Sex Pistols play is crazy. And these follow on bands were all far more successful than Sex Pistols could dream of.
@@andriyyurchyna8195 tbh if the get the money for every shirt with the unknown pleasure cover they‘re probably filthy rich cuz that shirt is probably only second to the Che Guevara shirt
52 years old and finally got my first JD 'Unknown Pleasures' T Shirt. Better late than never. So humbled to have the ability to enjoy this music and more importantly, what it means.
I don't worship any god but I do adore Joy Division and the sublime majesty of their work . And they were kids , kids in their early 20's . Fucking true but unbelievable .
veerchasm1 if you ever get a chance to see Peter Hook & the Light, go. I saw them do Unknown Pleasures & Closer tour, Movement & Power, Corruption & Lies tour, Substance tour, I've seen them about 8 times. I travel to Detroit, Chicago and Louisville, KY to see them. Worth it. They are incredibly humble in person as well. It was so surreal meeting one of my musical idols.
They're not any less mediocre now. As a fan, I'd like to see the classic line-up reunite (Sumner, Hook, Morris, Gilbert). The last record they did was Republic. I'm not the biggest fan of Republic, but it easily beats anything they did from Get Ready onward. I dunno, it's like New Order died along with Factory Records.
This album ''Closer'' must be heard in analog form. When you play ''Passover'', that ''woo-wwoop'' sound is felt against your eardrums more than it is heard. Good ol' normal vinyl, even cheepo speakers work fine. But digital recordings cannot render the effect... Hannett was a genius.
@David Clinging ...Guys! no need for fencing with all that info, which is not any secret anymore... It's swordplay, or Shadowplay? ;-) IMO Hooky 'forgot' to mention the Warsaw band and music... which for me, personally - deep in communist Poland - was opening the window to the more interesting, yet still Kafka's style, world... And it worked well for me, as I was just 14-15 yrs old... And then - J.D. and 'Uknown Pleasures' - but can you imagine I even did not know they are the same people? And one thing more: I'll be ALWAYS impressed how this guys became musicians... From scratch... My musical story is very alike - me and my 3-4 friends... always looking for good vocal and drummers... Inspired by the very process of creating, playing together... Synergy in action...
2:15 Taking out the springs in the drum kit - i think he was referring to the bass drum lugs on the front side. Steve Morris didn't use the front skin so the lugs would be loose and they will rattle.
It’s obviously sad to see people fall out of sync with each other but in many ways that’s life and that’s what Peter said in another segment. Ultimately life moves on, goals, aspiration, motivation, tolerance, pleasures, pain, it all changes. I have no knowledge of the internal struggles they suffer but from a purely outsiders perspective we only have one life and if in that like you are lucky enough to have created something, with another persons or persons, that is so inspiring to so many, it seems a shame they can’t hold on to that bond and celebrate, enjoy or whatever it might be that they achieved. Peace!
Peter....no one can ever do a Joy Division song quite like you guys did it!!! You guys are so underrated.... I can't even think of any other band today that can compare to the sound and lyrics of JD. ❤👍
...the great thing about the evolution of music (or art) everyone (talented) opens the door for another: Sex Pistols inspire (to dare to start) Joy Division, sex pistols want to be the UK Ramones, Ramones emulate the NY Dolls or the Dictators, they loved the VU and the british invasion groups and their idols was the 50's US Rockers and so on... FANTASTIC!
I know that Hooky said "Colony" but meant "Candidate," but it's rather unusual that he referred to as Candidate being a great song. Besides a live demo that is quite enjoyable at the Pennine Sound Studios I cannot really find any other recordings of Candidate (i.e. live) outside of the Unknown Pleasures version. Too, I have heard from others that the band wasn't very fond of the song Candidate hence why it wasn't played live.
Monjeseñal I’ve heard the live Factory gig in its entirety. Incredible track list, really. The version played at that gig was the demo version. I should have clarified. I’ve never been able to find the studio version in live form. Although the brevity and simplicity of the demo is amazing in its own right.
Ian Turnbow if I do remember well, Peter Hook wrote in his book that Sumner didnt like the song at all and didnt want to play on it. So instead he just made some sounds and noises with his guitar and Hannett did the rest
He seems okay. A bit bitter and twisted these days, but can you blame him? Still funny and articulate, and one of the members of "Joy Division" and nothing will change that. What a classic record. I'm that age too. Played music and did that stuff. Hook is iconic, an innovator, and down to earth, that's pretty good.
What a great little interview. I didn't actually but a copy of UP until 1983. The Mod that also liked JD, weird eh? This and Closer are still fantastic LPs
I happened to be present when JD were being inteviewed by Adrian Thrills (of NME), at their last-ever gig in Birmingham. Hooky's closing comment about the press, and the laugh as he said it, is significant.......they ripped into Thrills at times! The interview wasn't reproduced in great detail in NME, because the 'main story' by then was Ian Curtis's death.
i was in high school and there were older guys who listened to good music.. pil, killing joke , joy division.. and one of them taped me u.p. one side and bauhaus the other
the only thing great about being old, is not having to be young in todays boring times. back then, you continuosly heard new music, which was never done before, the cure, gary numan, the specials, the clash, the pistols and dead kennedys, sisters of mercy. as soon as you heard it, you knew it was new. today, every song could easily be from the 90s, even though there are good bands today as well, the red hot chili peppers, the hives (even though with time passing so fast, they are almost oldies as well),,,or can anyone name a recent song that couldnt be decades old?
Not so hard. Quincy Jones produced Michael Jackson's Thriller album. Despite his lifetime of industry experience, Jackson went in not having enough songs to satisfy Quincy Jones. After recording, Jones told Jackson to come up with some stronger material. He came back into the studio with Beat It and Billy Jean.
They had enough songs for a record before Martin made them write Candidate and From Safety to Where...? They recorded a total of 16 songs in the three weekends that made up the sessions. Four outtakes appear on the Still album and the other two can be heard on the Substance compilation album.
Great Band but both those songs he is talking about "Colony" and "from safety to where" are not on Unknown Pleasures. Weird he would mention it when talking about writing two more songs for this album. Anyway great album and great band
Love Hook’s work. Joy Division, New Order, and his production on Elephant Stone. Great work. I appreciate that Hook appears to give U2 a nod here. I dunno, maybe he can’t stand them. It just seems like a lot of the knocks against them are needless.
40 fucking years just gone like that,remember all the things your mam and dad used to day to you that you know tell your own kids😁🙄the stuff you got up to as a teenager,young adult etc,forty years eh!still so so glad that joy division and the mighty NEW ORDER were their for it all and more,never liked the unknown pleasures album when I first heard it,but it certainly grew on me,not until a few months after listening to it half a dozen times or more did it sink in deep into my D,N,A,very dark and claustrophobic, but necessary, like a loft of the best albums ,need to get to know them rip ian son.🙏
@SgtBaker16 Well, I can understand what you're saying, but this a serious accusation, which needs to be proved (or just explained to the YT public)... Wives, friends, bands, triangles, money... resentment, ambitions, memories... Bands' life.
Lots of very famous bands grew out of punk. Joy Division, Blondie, The Police, I could go on. I guess there was something about punk that made certain people think that anyone could make music, and of course some of them turned out to be very good at it.
They were in the right place at the right time it went up and down up and down there was a time when New order were broke all they had to do was bring a song out and get paid 50 grand .. they were living in council accommodation getting housing benefit . up and down up and down...
all the wanna be - marginally talented "musicians" of today should really take his words to heart - everybody today wants their own brand or some other nonsense - they have their publicist crowbar their name into the headlines out of vanity and desperation (billy eilish) - the music today takes a back seat to their soon to be in the bargain bin ego
Joy Division, The Sex Pistols, Public Image Ltd, X-RAY Spex and Magazine are the only true British Punk band's, the rest were a bunch of contrived self-fantasied wankers.
I was 15 and my sister was 17 1/2 around 1983. She gave me Joy Division as a higher aura a semblance of divinity light on the punk scene. I imagined, at 15, that Ian Curtis was a bald tall well-muscled who towering over his audience. That’s how Joy Division appeared to me.,,
The guys in Joy Divison were 20, 21 when they created this. Unreal. A piece of existential art that is timeless. Stuff that almost none of us won't ever produce in our entire lifetimes. A frightening thought.
JIM WAS 21 WHEN HE CREATED THE DOORS...my favorite band w joy d. adds up ian loved the doors and jim though...
@Steely Dan 5000 I have. You can buy my first book Claus and Claws on Amazon - but it's a Christmas tale, so not best read in summer. No, the point is that most of the best music, IMO, is made by really young people. This is not the case with literature or painting. It's astonishing what some of these people achieve before they are 25. Jimi Hendrix and Jim Morrison didn't even see 30. Nor did Ian Curtis.
It depends on what your into. Its a form of genius molding the old with something now to make something new but also timeless. it can only be timeless if its your own work(just my opinion). Those are great references but I think some people have it and some don’t. it takes time and patience not many people have the heart for especially living in the age of information like we do now. Your ideas are also worthless if you have no experience of practice or feeling or being in a particular environment. Johnny Ramone was about to turn 27 when things just started getting serious for the Ramones. Steven Pressfield was almost 50 before he blew up im guessing. Bernard Hopkins etc. Slint (Spiderland) teens. Sleaford Mods are in there 40s. So yeah it has more to do with it then age
Partly true but the producer is a big part of Unknown Pleasures.
I can hear the Doors inspiration, I have a friend who hates guitar and hippies, but he worships joy division
Fun fact. Martin Hannett made Stephen Morris go up to the roof of the studio, disassemble his drum kit, reassemble it, and then practice until Martin came back hours later
I saw that in the film, 24 hour part people. Is that actually true?
@@terencechesney9098 when choosing whether to print the truth or the legend, print the legend
That’s actually two stories rolled into one. He did get Morris to dismantle his drumkit but that’s not as weird as it sounds. They could hear something squeaking on the kit and couldn’t work out what it was so they had to dismantle the kit to find it. It was a separate occasion when they had the kit on the roof which again isn’t that weird really when you consider his work with reverb. He was probably just trying to get a recording where there were no reflections coming off ceilings and walls so that he could “create” the space the drums were in later. 24hr Party People is a great film but a fair bit of it is made up of parts that are a few little stories rolled into one and some of the film has no basis in fact at all.
The cover of the album is my favorite cover ever.
It really holds up.
Vincent Witters yea, that's about the only thing good about it
Pulsar waves
Closer had a nice album cover too!
Totebag and shirt everywhere, i hated when who wears this t-shirt but don't know this album or never heard
-"I wanted this to sound like The Clash"
**Writes New Dawn Fades**
The amount of bands that started up after watching Sex Pistols play is crazy. And these follow on bands were all far more successful than Sex Pistols could dream of.
He is (no control) set to self destruct.
Commercially successful, sure.
Like The Velvet Underground
Successful than sex pistols...you're kidding right🤣
@@andriyyurchyna8195 tbh if the get the money for every shirt with the unknown pleasure cover they‘re probably filthy rich cuz that shirt is probably only second to the Che Guevara shirt
This album changes my life back then in 1979 when I first listened it...
52 years old and finally got my first JD 'Unknown Pleasures' T Shirt. Better late than never. So humbled to have the ability to enjoy this music and more importantly, what it means.
Such a compellingly articulate man. What a proud and great legacy he leaves behind.
I don't worship any god but I do adore Joy Division and the sublime majesty of their work . And they were kids , kids in their early 20's . Fucking true but unbelievable .
Kids with a true visionary for a producer.
Would have been interesting to see what road they would have gone down without Zero Hannett
24 hours and dead souls have to be 2 of the greatest songs ever written!!
Atmosphere has to make that list.
hooky and steve are a great rythmn section.
Were*
Extraordinary. Yeah. Agree. One of my favorites.
I love this interview series so much
How I wish Hooky and New Order would reconcile.
veerchasm1 if you ever get a chance to see Peter Hook & the Light, go. I saw them do Unknown Pleasures & Closer tour, Movement & Power, Corruption & Lies tour, Substance tour, I've seen them about 8 times. I travel to Detroit, Chicago and Louisville, KY to see them. Worth it. They are incredibly humble in person as well. It was so surreal meeting one of my musical idols.
i went to see Hook and the Light in ATLANTA.. I was spellbound.
I don't want to see them reform. They were mediocre for the last few albums.
They're not any less mediocre now.
As a fan, I'd like to see the classic line-up reunite (Sumner, Hook, Morris, Gilbert). The last record they did was Republic. I'm not the biggest fan of Republic, but it easily beats anything they did from Get Ready onward. I dunno, it's like New Order died along with Factory Records.
It's more Sumner and Hook, i think
wow martin hanett was a heck of a producer
Total myth mate, not that good
This album ''Closer'' must be heard in analog form. When you play ''Passover'', that ''woo-wwoop'' sound is felt against your eardrums more than it is heard. Good ol' normal vinyl, even cheepo speakers work fine. But digital recordings cannot render the effect...
Hannett was a genius.
Cheers Hooky and co. Your albums got me through the 80's!
"Leaders of Men"
"No Love loss"
"Warsaw"
"Novelty"
"Digital" none of which are on
"U.P." are my fave
Joy Division songs.
David Clinging I've known that since 1990.
David Clinging 10-4.
Stating the obvious is an exercise in redundancy.
God bless.
@David Clinging ...Guys! no need for fencing with all that info, which is not any secret anymore... It's swordplay, or Shadowplay? ;-) IMO Hooky 'forgot' to mention the Warsaw band and music... which for me, personally - deep in communist Poland - was opening the window to the more interesting, yet still Kafka's style, world...
And it worked well for me, as I was just 14-15 yrs old... And then - J.D. and 'Uknown Pleasures' - but can you imagine I even did not know they are the same people?
And one thing more: I'll be ALWAYS impressed how this guys became musicians... From scratch... My musical story is very alike - me and my 3-4 friends... always looking for good vocal and drummers... Inspired by the very process of creating, playing together... Synergy in action...
2:15 Taking out the springs in the drum kit - i think he was referring to the bass drum lugs on the front side. Steve Morris didn't use the front skin so the lugs would be loose and they will rattle.
Or snare???
I think he's talking about the snares.
what song is hardcase kick drum on?
Hooky! I only hope you and Bernie get back together.
It’s obviously sad to see people fall out of sync with each other but in many ways that’s life and that’s what Peter said in another segment. Ultimately life moves on, goals, aspiration, motivation, tolerance, pleasures, pain, it all changes. I have no knowledge of the internal struggles they suffer but from a purely outsiders perspective we only have one life and if in that like you are lucky enough to have created something, with another persons or persons, that is so inspiring to so many, it seems a shame they can’t hold on to that bond and celebrate, enjoy or whatever it might be that they achieved. Peace!
Peter....no one can ever do a Joy Division song quite like you guys did it!!! You guys are so underrated.... I can't even think of any other band today that can compare to the sound and lyrics of JD. ❤👍
Depeche Mode...
Nice to re-watch them after reading his books! (Awesome books by the way)
...the great thing about the evolution of music (or art) everyone (talented) opens the door for another:
Sex Pistols inspire (to dare to start) Joy Division, sex pistols want to be the UK Ramones, Ramones emulate the NY Dolls or the Dictators, they loved the VU and the british invasion groups and their idols was the 50's US Rockers and so on... FANTASTIC!
Don't forget The Saints, Eternally Yours is another classic.
I know that Hooky said "Colony" but meant "Candidate," but it's rather unusual that he referred to as Candidate being a great song. Besides a live demo that is quite enjoyable at the Pennine Sound Studios I cannot really find any other recordings of Candidate (i.e. live) outside of the Unknown Pleasures version. Too, I have heard from others that the band wasn't very fond of the song Candidate hence why it wasn't played live.
Ian Turnbow Candidate was played at The Factory gig in July 1979
Monjeseñal
I’ve heard the live Factory gig in its entirety. Incredible track list, really.
The version played at that gig was the demo version. I should have clarified. I’ve never been able to find the studio version in live form. Although the brevity and simplicity of the demo is amazing in its own right.
Ian Turnbow if I do remember well, Peter Hook wrote in his book that Sumner didnt like the song at all and didnt want to play on it. So instead he just made some sounds and noises with his guitar and Hannett did the rest
There's a live.m version on heart and soul boxset which is a more intense version yet enjoyable, barney's guitar is awesome on it
Buy the JD boxset
He seems okay. A bit bitter and twisted these days, but can you blame him? Still funny and articulate, and one of the members of "Joy Division" and nothing will change that. What a classic record. I'm that age too. Played music and did that stuff. Hook is iconic, an innovator, and down to earth, that's pretty good.
I got Hooked with Everything’s Gone Green, a progression from Joy Division
What a great little interview. I didn't actually but a copy of UP until 1983. The Mod that also liked JD, weird eh? This and Closer are still fantastic LPs
I happened to be present when JD were being inteviewed by Adrian Thrills (of NME), at their last-ever gig in Birmingham.
Hooky's closing comment about the press, and the laugh as he said it, is significant.......they ripped into Thrills at times! The interview wasn't reproduced in great detail in NME, because the 'main story' by then was Ian Curtis's death.
i was in high school and there were older guys who listened to good music.. pil, killing joke , joy division.. and one of them taped me u.p. one side and bauhaus the other
I lost my virginity whilst Killing Joke was playing in the background - the live EP 'Ha'. It's great being old, I love it...no, no, I mean it.
thanks for informing us stuart
the only thing great about being old, is not having to be young in todays boring times. back then, you continuosly heard new music, which was never done before, the cure, gary numan, the specials, the clash, the pistols and dead kennedys, sisters of mercy. as soon as you heard it, you knew it was new. today, every song could easily be from the 90s, even though there are good bands today as well, the red hot chili peppers, the hives (even though with time passing so fast, they are almost oldies as well),,,or can anyone name a recent song that couldnt be decades old?
MrSchmolko listen to Elizabeth Color Wheel and Have a nice life , they sound new to me.. or as new as it can get now a days
MrSchmolko only old people think that new generations don’t have new sounding music. You’re either out of the loop or ignorant
In his book he said they wrote Candidate not Colony. hard to believe they went into record an album and not have enough songs.
Yep, "Candidate" is on "UP", "Colony" is on "Closer".
Not so hard. Quincy Jones produced Michael Jackson's Thriller album. Despite his lifetime of industry experience, Jackson went in not having enough songs to satisfy Quincy Jones. After recording, Jones told Jackson to come up with some stronger material. He came back into the studio with Beat It and Billy Jean.
They had enough songs for a record before Martin made them write Candidate and From Safety to Where...? They recorded a total of 16 songs in the three weekends that made up the sessions. Four outtakes appear on the Still album and the other two can be heard on the Substance compilation album.
I love his laugh. It's just great.
Crazy if they wrote "Colony" like that. Which I'm sure they did at some point. It was that easy for these guys at that time.
Great Band but both those songs he is talking about "Colony" and "from safety to where" are not on Unknown Pleasures. Weird he would mention it when talking about writing two more songs for this album. Anyway great album and great band
He got “Colony” mixed up with “Candidate”, from his book he mentions writing “Candidate” and “FSTW” on the spot after Hannett requested 2 more songs
Oh ok that makes sense......thanks for the info
Love Hook’s work.
Joy Division, New Order,
and his production on Elephant Stone.
Great work.
I appreciate that Hook appears to give U2 a nod here.
I dunno, maybe he can’t stand them.
It just seems like a lot of the knocks against them are needless.
Legend just seen him again in Edinburgh,first time was 1981
40 fucking years just gone like that,remember all the things your mam and dad used to day to you that you know tell your own kids😁🙄the stuff you got up to as a teenager,young adult etc,forty years eh!still so so glad that joy division and the mighty NEW ORDER were their for it all and more,never liked the unknown pleasures album when I first heard it,but it certainly grew on me,not until a few months after listening to it half a dozen times or more did it sink in deep into my D,N,A,very dark and claustrophobic, but necessary, like a loft of the best albums ,need to get to know them rip ian son.🙏
Started High school in 1979
Bought ''Closer''... by 1980
After that - things get a little bit hazy...
Born 1968?
This man is a genius
@loopy Ruane why is that
@SgtBaker16 Well, I can understand what you're saying, but this a serious accusation, which needs to be proved (or just explained to the YT public)... Wives, friends, bands, triangles, money... resentment, ambitions, memories... Bands' life.
The best album ever was made in three weekends?
Disintegration is the best album ever
@@godofwater1234 Disintegration has its place on the side of Unknown Pleasures
@@weler2491 Agreed
Colony? so wrote it during UP sessions but didnt put it out until Closer, interesting stuff
gimmeshelter72 he meant to say candidate ! He wrote about it in his book, just got his words mixed up
six fucking days. unreal.
Hooky! ✌🏼️
Once upon a time there was a small club in Warsaw, Poland - called Hooky-Pooky... A very... hmmm... mystery place...
On what song does Steve play a flight case for the bass drum?? I can't think of which song that would be. Maybe "I Remember Nothing"?
Scary song ever
Possibly She's Lost Control, the dull bass beats before that dull cow bell sound?
whats the opening bumper music??????
Was Ian at the pistols show, like in disorder. ( great movie about joy division)
He was, although he didn't go with Hook and Sumner . Stephen Morris was the only band member not there afaik, he was recruited later on.
I think the best bands are bands that grew out of punk, thinking they were punk, intending to be punk, but not punk.
Lots of very famous bands grew out of punk. Joy Division, Blondie, The Police, I could go on. I guess there was something about punk that made certain people think that anyone could make music, and of course some of them turned out to be very good at it.
3:20 He means 'Candidate'!
JD were the punks black Sabbath !
Hooky doesn't look like someone I'd wanna mess with.
24 hour party people covers this too
Why don’t they talk about the An Ideal For Living recording?
From Safety To Where...? & Autosuggestion it was
They were in the right place at the right time it went up and down up and down there was a time when New order were broke all they had to do was bring a song out and get paid 50 grand .. they were living in council accommodation getting housing benefit . up and down up and down...
Martin Hannett = genius
Martin Hannett - Substance abuser and all round piss head
You won the game as soon as you wrote that melody, do I even have to name it?
Cadidate not Colony Mr Hook.
Colony as an afterthought? No... It should have way more credit...
nyannyancosplay
How do these redcoats get so much into rock n roll music?
Adam Blister living in drab Manchester leaves you with not much else.
And why are they so much better at it?
all the wanna be - marginally talented "musicians" of today should really take his words to heart - everybody today wants their own brand or some other nonsense - they have their publicist crowbar their name into the headlines out of vanity and desperation (billy eilish) - the music today takes a back seat to their soon to be in the bargain bin ego
Robbie Williams made similar albums.👍
ha ha ha ha
2:45 - no experience whatsoever? and what about the Warsaw band and records? Who was that and when? Quite before JD and Uknown Pleasures, yes? So?
Also Stiff Kittens
Joy Division, The Sex Pistols, Public Image Ltd, X-RAY Spex and Magazine are the only true British Punk band's, the rest were a bunch of contrived self-fantasied wankers.
Ruts..damned..subbumans
Would of been a good album if it weren't for that overhyped awful tinny producer Martin off the planet Hannet!! Great songs awful production
Could you do better ... I doubt it
I was 15 and my sister was 17 1/2 around 1983. She gave me Joy Division as a higher aura a semblance of divinity light on the punk scene. I imagined, at 15, that Ian Curtis was a bald tall well-muscled who towering over his audience. That’s how Joy Division appeared to me.,,