This NAS Isn't For Me. But I want it.
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- Опубликовано: 8 фев 2024
- CORRECTIONS:
- Fan controls are available via IPMI, I'm just a dummy.
- It seems that the "identify drive" feature requires a SAS backplane to work properly, hence why it doesn't work with the Mini R.
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Timestamps:
0:00 This NAS isn't THAT Mini
0:37 Shoutout to my RAID Members
1:02 The TrueNAS Mini R
4:22 TrueNAS Core Performance
6:07 Power Draw and Noise
6:57 TrueNAS Scale
7:53 IMPI
8:13 PCIe Slot Options
9:29 Virtualization with Proxmox
11:14 Why not build something for less? 
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CORRECTIONS:
- Fan controls are available via IPMI, I'm just a dummy.
- It seems that the "identify drive" feature requires a SAS backplane to work properly, hence why it doesn't work with the Mini R.
The identify drive feature is dependent on SAS drives, SATA does not have this function so nothing happens when you click the button.
Ah that makes sense. I failed to mention it in the video, but the button shouldn't be there for the Mini series for that reason. It's correct in Scale, but needs to be fixed in Core.
@@HardwareHaven Correct (SGPIO is a SAS feature.)
Small correction: it's dependent on a SAS backplane. You can use SATA drives with a SAS backplane and still get the identify drive feature.
@@pproba even smaller correction: direct-attach backplanes like this one don't care whether the drives are SAS or SATA. What matters is that it has a management chip that can speak SGPIO, UBM, or some other management protocol, and that it's wired up (either via a SAS connector, or via a separate management cable). SAS backplanes with an expander don't need this, because the management all happens via the expander chip, which might be what you're thinking of.
In Supermicro boards the fan control typically is done through the IPMI rather than the BIOS.
Once you log into the IPMI, its under Configuration -> Fan Mode. In my experience the "Optimal Speed" setting is the quietest mode.
In addition you can use ipmitool in the CL to set specific curves manually
@@colepage6596 yup, that's what i had to do w/ my supermicro & noctua fans... they apparently run so slow the system thinks they failed and ramp em up to 100% every 10 seconds! LOL!
@@dobrzpe Hmm, I hope you got enough airflow. Since I looked into various fans for my Supermicro, but they didn't have near enough airflow rating as the fans that came with it.
That's correct, although I would be careful, as iX makes their own Fan curves in most occasions.
@@dobrzpe or you get undervolted warnings (just snip the 4th wire problem solved)
To clarify, The mini-Family is NOT intended for DIY / home brew type people. (we all build our own NAS, and can be done cheaper.) its more so for people who want to self-host for cheap, or need something reliable that just works and want an all-in-one warranty / point of support, and most importantly, built with easy to find hardware (past warranty.) If you're looking for True Max Performance type units, you're looking at R, or M series. Those serve entire companies, studios, and datacenters. (Hope that helps.)
..whaat... doesent everyone needd a 2PB NAS, get two and build a mirrorset ..
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Great video! It's nice to see one of these devices in the real world!
Thanks! And now I know how to set it up properly with ZILs and SLOGs galore
liked both videos
Traitor!!!!
I'm using the mini XL+ for a few years. It uses the same motherboard as the mini R. To change the fan speed it's in the ipmi.
I'm torn. I do have a small engineering business running out of my home office, which supports myself and 3 other designer/engineers. We do fine on our own machines, however utilizing a cloud based storage solution.... isn't the best. We'll also, would like to, at some point in the near future, have most (plus new employees as we grow) work from home. Sometimes RUclips and Google are great for information, but it is a lot of the time TOO much information. Something like this sounds amazing, but it is most likely overkill for our situation. If I could combine a solution to support work files, home files, media (UHD rips) and have the ability to share the work files to offsite users/employees, that would be great.
You will probably be fine with an older model or a regular server with lff bays and a really low-end cpu, just to save power.
There are a lot of different options for your use case.
You could, but if you don't have experience working on IT this can be troublesome, plus your ISP may not like if a lot of people are downloading something through your link as you probably have a domestic link from your ISP, not an enterprise one. What we do at the small business I work at, is just renting servers and storage from a provider, there are many companies running this type of business. We got an ESXi server, created a Fortigate firewall and then I just needed to create the rules and change the management configuration from the ESXi, so it cannot be accessed by people through the internet without our VPN.
But again, if you don't have someone working with you that actually knows about OpSec this can be difficult and even risky.
@@ewenchan1239 Yeah. It would be a lot of fun setting up different options (& learning a lot more) and seeing what I like best, but unfortunately I don't have a ton of time in my daily grind to mess around with too much. Employees wouldn't have any downtime, since most data is in the cloud or my main shared directory with SMB. I just sometimes watch a video or read information online and wind up frozen with too many options.
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In terms of saving power -- I would actually make the proposal where you compute some kind of a "made up" performance metric (e.g. clock speed * # of cores * # of RJ45 ports * RJ45 port speed ...etc.) and then divide that by the price and maybe divide that again by the idle power consumption or something so that you would be able to get the most "bang for your buck" basically rather than looking at only performance/$ or only power/$, but to look at power, performance, and cost, simultaneously.
You can get cheaper, lower power, but less performant systems just as you can get more expensive, but high power, and more performant systems as well.
The goal would be an optimised solution between these three parameters, and the answer may surprise you.
(And if you want to lean heavier towards performance at the expense of cost and power, you can also choose to do that as well.)
Such an excellent review! You’ve covered all the questions I’ve could have had from benchmarks, OS, virtualization to alternative HW.
Great video!
I have been running ProxMox and TrueNAS (virtualized) on this motherboard (Supermicro A2SDi-H-TF) for more than a year now. I have 128GB of ECC RAM installed. I bought the MB used on eBay Here are a couple of my observations:
I love this MB!
I have passed through one of the SATA/SAS controllers from ProxMox to TrueNASas with no issues. I get pretty good read/write speeds.
Running a Windows VM or other OS VM's are sluggish (as you pointed out in the video)
I also run Home Assistant on the same hardware alongside TrueNAS with no issues.
for that price and the SMB intention, i'd like to see dual power supplies
That is a decent value rack system as it is at least 1000 less than an empty 12 bay QNAP rack mount server with essentially the same specs and 8GB memory. I did go the route of picking up a refurbished 16 + 2 bay Supermicro system for under 1000 with 128Gb ram and am happy with that. I will keep IX in mind for the future if I need another server.
For anyone who thinks this is unreasonably priced, if someone needs to buy an off the shelf solution, which do you think is better:
Synology DS2422 - 12 bays, quad core, 4GB of memory, quad gigabit networking - $1800
This Mini R - 12 bays, 8 core, 32GB of memory, dual 10gig + management - $1850
One of these is way more performant, serviceable, and upgradeable than the other, and there are businesses that just want to buy one all set up and preconfigured.
Thanks, as usual, for a very interesting video. I have a Windows 2011 Home Server that has been running since.... 2011. I've only shut it down a few times to blow dust out and to upgrade to larger hard drives that entire time.
it was one of my kid's old AM2+ motherboards and has SATA2 and USB2.
It has been running flawlessly for several years, but besides the slow SATA and USB, only had 4 SATA ports and limited space to mount drives even if I had an add-on SATA card. I have 4 4TB hard drives in it and an 8 TB external (yes, running from USB2).
Fast forward to this week: I was rummaging through my old PC pile and realized that one of my wife's old computers is AM3+ and has 6 SATA3 ports and USB3.
My first intention was to install TrueNAS on it, but Home Server 2011 has been so flawless that I'm going to stick with it for now.
My server hardware that is likely going to do me the next few years:
AMD Athlon II X4 610e (reusing from old system as it is only 45W vs 125w and MORE than powerful enough). Undervolted so it only runs 10W at idle instead of the power hungry 12 it normally runs. BTW it is running at idle about 99 percent of the time.
8GB DDR3 1333 MHz (slow and steady)
A 4MB S3 Virge PCI graphics card, just in case I ever have to hook it up to a monitor, which I haven't had to do with my old server since 2011.
One more great thing about this computer? It has space inside to mount 6 3 1/2 inch drives and 3 more if I use 5 1/4 to 3 1/2 adapters and enough SATA power connectors for the drives without having to use Molex adapters. It's time to add more storage and at least this time I don't need to lose a drive to add one.
I just realized my short reply intending to simply thank you for the video turned into a novel. Thanks again!
With the right settings for caching, that box will run way faster than any small shoebox nas. Its a really great piece of hardware for only 2K USD.
This is pretty much exactly what I've been looking for, it fills all my use case needs, and then some, within the budget I'm allocating it for.
At 6:03, you talked about being jealous and upgrading you're existing TrueNAS machine - ignore the SSDs and focus on RAM - TrueNAS uses RAM as a cache! SSD cache is secondary to RAM and often doesn't work as well as RAM cache.
Agreed!! Memory, CPU clock speed, and IO in that order. (cache is fundamentally used differently in ZFS then most file systems) thats the kicker, but also why its so performant.
@@Fluffy2Buffy CPU clockspeed? Why? IPC should matter more, cores if used by more than one user/process. A 1.8Ghz Core i 10th gen will kick a 3.4GHz P4EE in the teeth so hard the teeth will break the sound barrier coming out it's bum. On every task, except if you measure '1+1' a single time, or some such. If you measure multiples it'll be different. I'd really have to look hard for something the P4EE would do faster, cuz it will be some very specific isolated branching instruction.
I think you underestimate some of your audience. This is small for me.
My main server is a 4u supermicro sc847 (36+2 bay) server and a dual CPU xeon 28c/56t & 512gb ram rackmount with 648TB of storage. My tertiary backup server is a 12bay 4u xeon 1541 & 64gb ram with 120TB.
I am sure I am not alone. While I would never buy new, seeing what IS being sold new is valuable information.
That's probably true, lol. I do know that people would freak out on me if I said this was a good deal without any * haha
How many mail accounts are you serving?
*Main @@shanent5793
I bought an A2SDi-H-TF mobo for $479 used on eBay a couple years ago! It's in a Norco ITX-S8 case right now, but i would like more hotswap. I'm now considering getting a rack and the $148 Super micro case you mentioned! Thanks for the video!
We have a Mini-R for UrBackup storage, connected via NFS to a VM. I tried running UrBackup directly on it, and it was painful, so I figured I'd just use it for storage. I put in an old 400GB Oracle F40 PCIe SSD card for a SLOG in dual mirrors. Given that they are SLC SSDs and will last for about ever, it works for our usage. Also upgraded the 16GB DIMM to 4 32GB DIMMs, works great for our usage. I'm looking at a TrueNAS M40 or M50 for the next project I'm working on.
Great vid, I’ve always been curious about their systems
Would liked a brief comparison between this an a HL15. Still found it informative *thumbsup
Regarding the loss in performance when switching to TrueNAS Scale, did you wipe and rebuild the pools or just import them? I've heard of imported pools having worse performance and weird quirks.
Yeah I wasn't super clear (probably should've scripted this video haha)...
I created new pools for Scale. I also did a fresh install with v22.12 just to make sure it wasn't an issue with v23, and tested with both the RJ45 and SFP+ NICs. I also tinkered with ACL Types as I saw some forum posts mentioning that as causing issues with degraded SMB performance after migrating to Scale.
@@HardwareHaven Damned good troubleshooting, sir.
Excellent review and hit all the key points. Small business/office can and will pay a small premium for a turnkey system that works, is easy to use and reliable over the long term. Especially where it is likely there is no IT staff.
Yeah, when I was in my job shop machining setup, I spent about that much just pudding together a proper truenas box without drives too so this is honestly more than reasonable all told, bit higher spec but ultimately much less efficient hardware, if I were in the jobshop market nowadays I'd go for something like this, for a home user I do agree this may not be the best shout though, all told for home use you're best off getting an older dell 12 bay if a little bit of noise and power consumption isn't a concern, otherwise just a home build with something like a 5700X (or a 5650G or 5750G if you need ECC support) and go from there
It looks like a great little system that would be optimal for a smaller business. I'm in the same situation as you where I can't afford it and I can build something myself that's cheaper. I hope lots of folks buy this because TrueNAS is awesome. Thanks!
A test i would like to see in this kind of chassis is testing the hot swapping feature!
Something like removing a drive while the system is copying/writing to create errors and then resilvering without killing the server. May be trivial for someone who use or work with servers, but i think would be cool to enthusiast to see!
The SSDs were shipped for you to use as L2ARC and ZIL, they would have improved your read but particularly your write performance if your pools had ZIL.
I know its only 25w tdp but is this passive? You have fans blowing air through the chassis. Add some ducts and its the exact same setup that my xeon's have. (bigger heatsinks ofc)
I have an older Dell T430 with 8 3.5 mechanical 2 SSD's and extra network cards running dual xeons. Even with a few VM's idling with 2 docker servers it only draws 140's W at idle. That idle power usage seems high for what it has.
Always informative, and I love that.
I found a similar for factor 2U 12 bay server on Amazon that has a back plane that appears to only have mini sas (sas host to sata receive) on it. I am not sure if it would work that way. I am under the impression that the sata connectors would need to connect to drives not the motherboard.
I'm pretty sure you need a "reverse breakout cable" to convert from 4 sata ports to a mini sas connector.
Assuming we're looking at the same thing, I believe the backplane is using MiniSAS connectors, but is just SATA. SOu you should be able to plug that MiniSAS to SATA cable into a motherboard like normal. That's actually how the 4 SATA ports on this motherboard were used. Granted, I'm no expert in this regard so grain of salt haha
@@HardwareHaven trust me i am not expert either. I am working with a mentor at my job to get more Network engineer experience. this stuff is my jam ngl.
Noctua can be your friend. It's the first thing I do to anything that comes to me with fans. Yes, it works to a point. Those guys seem to know what they are doing.
Just wondering, have you only looked at sort of off or specialty brands like this for a home lab? I was able to buy myself a Dell R430 with two Xeon 24-core processors processors and 192 gigs of ram, +8 2 TB SAS drives for under $500.
Wished it was cheaper! Does anyone know where you can buy a case similar to this?
Hey. I know you've done a video about using ngrock from MC server, and I was wondering if you could make a video about using cloudflare tunnels for MC servers too.
The way I do it:
I have two supermicro 2U servers. Each of them was only $99. The most expensive part of the whole setup was buying hard drives. I had spare CPU's and tons of memory laying around already. Both are connected to the core switch via 10GB DAC cables.
Server 1 runs TrueNas and a VM of Jellyfin within that TrueNAS. It has 72TB. This is my main server for movies and file storage.
Server 2 runs a simple old copy of Windows 7. It has 72TB. It boots up once per week. When windows boots, it runs a script to launch Roadkills Unstoppable Copier to copy all new files it finds on the TrueNas server. When done, it shuts down the server. That saves on power and still gives me weekly backups, which I am okay with.
Why Windows 7? Simple to use. If server 1 suffers catastrophe I can replace/fix the server then remote into Windows 7 on server 2 to push the files back. Having copies of the same files on two different OS's and file types provides me with some flexibility for other needs too. I don't like all my eggs in one basket, to the extent of even using the same OS/File System.
how you installed the minecraft lxc?
Awesome Video man !!
fan control usually is in IPMI interface with supermicro mobo
11:43 Not gonna change the price comparison much, but the RAM you selected will not work with Xeon E3 and C236 motherboard. Those are RDIMM which only work with E5. E3 only works with UDIMM, ECC or not.
On the used market, the price are RDIMM < nonECC UDIMM < ECC UDIMM. 64GB of ECC UDIMM may cost $100+
Well, that's still not gonna make up the thousand dollar gap.
I would love to have something like that at home but it would be a huge over kill for at home nice to see it gone through by you
Hey mate! Thanks for all the videos, just a quick tip. When testing the speed of a file transfer, instead of using Explorer better use robocopy, which comes with the OS. The reason for this is because Explorer is quite legacy and does not make use of multi thread.
Thanks! I think explorer is still useful as it’s what most people would actually be using in real world scenarios, but I will definitely look into that. It might be great to have both.
Do they come with scale installed already? Or still core?
Video mentioned there's an option to pick when ordering
Supermicro fan controls can be accessed via the IPMI interface.
Don’t feel bad about reviewing big expensive cool things every once in a while too. Just as long as you keep the core principle of your channel, the same I don’t see a problem with also playing with shiny things once in a while.
It's an interesting offering, but the 45Drives HL15 barebones seems like a much better route to go. Just add board, CPU, memory, NVMe, and spinning rust of your choice.
3:10 uh, i pretty sure that the base freq is 2.2, but why the heck does this cpu doesn't have any increase in turbo?
How much for that case without the motherboard? Just need the SAS backplane!
The bundle is good.
But Hardware Haven is the channel for me!
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iXsystems really should gift that NAS to you given all the effort you put into this video. #justsaying
Remember, if you don't have multiple copies of data, you do not have the data.
So, in other works, when setting up a NAS, you should have at least two systems, one backing up the other, and TrueNAS does make it easy to setup replication.
It would be amazing if they just sold the case and drive bay trays. I've found very few rack mount server enclosures that allow that many drives in such a small formfactor. Also none that were reasonably priced.
Supermicro 826. You can get it used/refurbished for around 400 bucks - including a Xeon board, CPU, RAM and a SAS controller.
This certainly is small business only server, shipping with a cheap consumer SSD and without a redundant power supplies is nothing I would deploy for any relevant function in a medium or big business.
not working identity LEDs on near 2k chassis is straight "wtf I'm even paying here for?"
1800$ for Intel atom? Yeah, this server is really not for me)
At least it has IPMI. (However for that price you'd be able to install pikvm there)
In Super Micro Fan controls are in the IPMI
Duh. Thanks!
Well this make my pc mini
Matching LED would be nice, ask them.
Is a nice system but i think the HL15 is a better buy. having more expansion for PCIe, more drive bays and just about the same price.
I honestly would go with the 45Drives HL15 case they just put out instead of this one. cheaper and you can still do whatever you want with it.....
if only it were 8 2,5" drives pushed over to the left on the front of the case, so the motherboard (custom) could be on the right and then make it a short case... with like dual 2,5gbit networks and you would have a small, quiet home user NAS :D
So funny you covered this. I was previously about to purchase this board... until I learned of the Atom C3858 that has 12 cores and 12 threads at 2Ghz at the same 25W TDP. In synthetic benchmarks it beats the 3758 despite the lower clock speed (4 more cores certainly helps and Alder Lake E cores are generally pretty efficient little things).
I cannot wait to pair that CPU with an RXT A2000 12GB and play games like Starfield on a low-profile mITX system that consumes ~100W. Absolutely wild stuff. It will be the most powerful Intel Atom system in my collection, and quite possibly the most powerful Atom gaming PC ever built :D
I wish these CPUs came in more "consumer-focused" boards, as they are incredibly interesting, being essentially a CPU comprised entirely of 12th-gen E cores. There are Atoms with 4, 8, 12, and even 20 of these cores, clocked to different frequencies but ostensibly just "MOAR POWAR".
...sadly that 20-core Atom CPU is only available in an OEM Storage array system that costs ~$3500. Sadness :(
IIRC C3858 is denverton and only has 16 PCIE gen 3 lanes, seems like you'd be gimping that A2000 running it on that platform. The N series chips are the consumer facing SKU's but they have even less PCIE lanes.
@@nadtz first of all the RTX A2000 doesn't even use all 16 Lanes. Second of all the graphics card is pcie Gen 4 only so dropping down one generation isn't as big of a deal as you think. Third of all the motherboard that I'm looking at should be able to give it full bandwidth especially since the RTX A2000 isn't a high-powered chip and from my research takes almost no performance loss on pcie gen 3 if it gets all eight lanes that it looks for.
Yes there will still be some bottle neck especially since this Atom Processor isn't all that fast but to be honest I'm not really going to be using it for gaming I'm mostly using it for productivity where I should be totally fine and having the extra cores will be better.
I forget exactly where I got the information that the current atom processors are based on Alder Lake silicon but from what I remember that Source was pretty reliable but I could absolutely be wrong on that I'm not sure.
The ultimate goal of the build isn't to have this Beefcake system that can outclass a 4080 but rather to have an incredibly low-power and small system that can still push a lot of pixels when necessary. Also I collect Intel atom stuff so I just want the fastest thing I can build with that name on it.
@@xPLAYnOfficialAll of nvidia's modern cards use all 16 lanes, they might not max out PCE bandwidth but those are 2 different things. Also Denverton is Goldmont not Gracemont/Alder Lake-N, so you are talking about 2 different generations of Atoms.
If you want to spend your money to flex with an atom CPU, it's your money. If it was going to be used as a media server/homelab server I could understand, seems to me a waste for a gaming system, especially when you can get a modern APU that would probably outperform it at around 65w and cost half what a denverton board would, never mind the A2000. Ok maybe more than half but still.
And denverton aren't the fastest atoms, the newer Alder Lake-N (which is what I think you meant earlier) are but good luck getting your hands on anything but the N100 right now.
@@xPLAYnOfficialSorry, I forgot intel isn't calling the consumer stuff atom anymore, the fastest of the new Atoms is the C5115/C5125.
"all modern Nvidia GPUs use 16 lanes". factually false. The 3050 also only uses 8 lanes electrically (just because it has an x16 connector does not mean it uses all the lanes) @@nadtz
chassis looks like ablecom cs-r26
Mini Thanks 🤣🤣🤣
Haha you're welcome
Perhaps the name was inspired by the M134 Minigun.
For a supermicro hardware that's a LOT of money!
That power consumption at idle really suprised me...Currently i have old 12bay Synology DS3611xs with upgraded Xeon E3 1260L (45W TDP) and full of pretty old 3TB drives...but my consumption at idle and even in the load is the same...I didn`t see that coming. 😀
Wow, it draws that amount of power when running a TruNAS or other OS?
Or are you comparing apples with oranges that only have to support a tenth of the amount of background tasks?
Looks mini for me, so is True(NAS)
Really the Asustor Flashtor FS6712X 12-bay is more so like what we can afford. Only 1 RJ-45 10Gbps and 0 other networking ports but12 M.2 2280 slots for storage. Supports TrueNAS, Windows and claims support for MacOS thought like most comes with no OS installed and no drives installed. 800 USD is good for an M.2 port only system with HDMI video out, 4 USB data ports and 1 RJ45 10Gbps port. So good NAS for the price you can build better with off the shelve parts but then you run into bifurcation not designed for an M.2 based server.
The question is, if you know a seller that can supply you a fully loaded 12 x 12TB SAS storage array for under $2k, which one you choose. A whopping 144TB (for me anyway) 🙂
Kinda funny that you have to send it back when it seems like 45Drives is giving out HL15s and Storinators to youtubers like they're candy.
Coincidentally I just did my first TrueNAS install today and not super impressed with the experience so far, but I guess I'll see how it goes.
No it ain't for me. Well I built a Synology NAS using RedPill on a 4thGen Intel with 16GB RAM , four 2.5GB NICs and 12 Sata drives. Without disks, that is just $150!. Slap into an old case and rig some brackets then stuff the disks in there. Works like a charm. And DSM 7.2 priceless.
You said regarding buying Synology that you're stuck with their software. I need to chime in and remind you that Synology's DiskStation Manager and first-party packages are the absolute best. I have multiple Synology NASes going back fourteen years, and recently built a TrueNAS box. They don't compare. On the market for a new Synology now. 12 bays or larger. Never going to stray from the Synology fold again.
That is fair, for someone like me, being locked to using certain software is a deal breaker, but for some it may be good, but you do need to keep in mind, what would happen if Synology ever shuts down, will you still get software updates or...?
That's a lot of words to confirm that you're stuck with their software.
@@JordanPlayz158 I have multiple Synology units, several of which no longer get support. They still run well and are quite usable. There's a list, longer than my arm, of open source projects that have been shut down or abandoned.
@@jeffnew1213 With Synology, you just need to hope the ones out of support don't get vulnerabilities found whereas with abandoned or shut down open source projects, you can just fix the issues if they arise
@@JordanPlayz158 Firstly, my NASes are not exposed to the Internet. Secondly, if you think that I, as an FOSS user, has the ability to go in and fix C-code or recompile with a long list of required dependencies (when I am running Windows and have no development environment set up, let alone one for Linux)... that's ridiculous.
just remember this hardware eventually falls into the budget market so though it maybe a $2000 server now in a few years we maybe able to pick it up for $3/400
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The CPU is a bit old 2017 for the price of the Nas,More fun building your Own
For a server. It's very mini 2k is cheap
Imagine saying "You're stuck with Synology SRM".... The single biggest reason to actually CHOOSE a Synology NAS.
Hmmm..... HL15 or the Mini R? 🤔
I'm so disgusted with the Mini R, I bought their SFP card but it requires a PCIe x8 slot. I had to return it because it only works with their smaller Mini X+ or XL+ units. I failed to find a 4x SFP card for it and have hang an external converter on the rack. Looks so ugly.
Here is a real review of IX systems from someone big boy version M60 Hardware: rock solid Preformance : outstanding Sales after the initial sale: piss poor. Support: mixed you get to the right people brilliant some of the best. Other times you get told to go make a bug report on samba project even though they have already patched it and technically ix had rolled up that patch in a minor update but the support person did not catch that. Would I spend the money again long story yes. But I can tell you i will have reservations for buying stuff after the fact from them.
2k isnt insane for a thing like this, Rack mount stuff like this Ive seen usually seems to be pver 10k
I want it too
Pro tip from someone who had over 100 disks in a zpool - put the disk id (wwn) on a label on the front of the disk caddy, you will thank me later
I don't need it.
I DON'T NEED IT.
Hello from India
PCIe 3.0 is kind of painful in 2024, but I guess it's fine as long as they stick to the configuration as is and never do anything to it.
for that price i could run LLMs with dedicated gpus lmfao, 2k intel atom NAS
Buzz has it WD red drives flag themselves as SMART fail after three years, failed or not.
I can't image anybody in their right mind wanting to buy this. For home home it doesn't make sense, you can get better for less and even if you don't want to built own stuff, get a synology or something. For business i wouldn't recommend it either, for that price it lacks enterprise features and redundancy.
This "mini" is 2k but the blinking LED to indentify a drive is not available and... reserved for premium ? Come on
Hi! Thank you for the video. I might be a little biased seeing prices on ebay for used servers but I find this one particularly expensive. 2000 bucks is a lot for an atom processor, no redundant psus and no upgradability (with only one PCIe). Again, I know that server gear are expensive but this seems too much for what you get.
Doesn't seem quite fair to compare prices on a new product vs a bunch of used parts from ebay...
Does anyone else feel quite patronized by him saying "not [affordable] for you and me" and "so we can afford it on the used market" some 3-4 times in this video?
Maybe switch that to "most home users", "budget users", or something else.
This is far below the capabilities I require but is well within budget.
It's $1800... that's $700 less than the 16" MacBook Pro or the same price as a 14" one with one upgrade option ticked.
Stuck on DSM? I would actually run far far away from TrueNAS and hug DSM instead based on my previous experience with both. DSM is much easier to use for both basic and advanced users. And yes, I use a rack mounte Synology with loads of advanced features. In other words, if you really into TrueNAS, why not just buy a proper rack server and install the TrueNAS software? I don't know how much does it cost at your place, but it's 200~300-ish USD here I can buy a second hand Dell R730 or similar generation server with much higher performance - SATA/SAS instead of SATA only, more HDD bays etc.
I'm going to say it, not using IPMI is a major rookie move.
… I did?
Day 2 of me asking: do a review on the hp dl360 g7
The only really good way to do RAID with ZFS is just RAID10, or a pool of mirrors. No parity calcs, high speed, easy fast rebuilds. Also, Supermicro has other small Mini-ITX Atom boards that are half that price, but also lower performance - but plenty for home users.
Before advertising they should fix:
- worth nothing if they can't make the selling outside of the usa themselves like who the hell want to fill forms just to configure
- make it not freeze for 3s on the first step of the config when switching platform on an ryzen 9 :D
Well, can't believe opensource hardware sells, it's quite fascinating
I mean, it makes sense in a lot of ways
open source hardware? You mean hardware/machines running open source software? As if so, nearly every piece of hardware if I had to venture to say, runs open source in some way (whether a library, OS, etc.)
Quite literally, all of the hardware in this case is closed-source.
@@tim3172 that's what I said, if opensource hardware is selling this means people are fed up of the closed source ones, soon we will be able to made our own server with fraction of the cost it will be sold by the big tech
At last opensource hardware is not for everyone, someone will still need a closed source stuff