If you have thrown by hand in the hills and you see a machine tosser, a wry smile comes across your face because you know somebody has made the big time....
Did see a new one on the lot in Appleton at Swiderski Power. Dad bought a 273 with supersweep pickup and 3 joint pto line and belt thrower new in 76 or 77. About $4000 then. Pulled it with JD 720. A bit more money now.
I work for a Agco dealer as a tech. We specialize in hay equipment. The one thing I’ve noticed between the deere, NH and Hesston, the deere and NH both come with painted knotters and everyone always says that the miss a few bales the first time until the knotters shine up. The hesstons come un painted. We always make sure the knot before they leave the dealer
Your Dad could be a great New Holland rep. He knows more about that baler than anyone, and he knows how to explain it to us. What an articulate guy. I'm sure you'll get many good years use out of this one.
I had a good one new holland can’t remember the number but 40000 to 50000 bales a year was normal I did some custom bailing barely missed a bale. Had to keep the chaff cleaned out daily seemed to be the answer for less trouble with the knotter!
Experience has been a good teacher for your Dad. Although a lot of the principles are the same, each generation of baler has added to the capacity and reliability of the machines.
I grew up helping my dad and grampa bale hay, and he had an old 273 with a kicker. I’d ride on the twine box while dad baled and grab any missed bales, then run wagons and unload etc… Anyway, that baler was still making hay until about 2010 when my grampa retired from his retirement job… haha. But yea, all the knotters and core components are all pretty much unchanged right up until now. That 273 had the kicker belt tensioner crank and the twine tensioner crank that were mounted up behind the driver’s head off the baler tongue… all that stuff is hydraulic now, nice n easy instead of cranking like crazy to catch a bale on a tight corner 🤣. Anyway, sweet new baler, thanks for jogging those memories for me!
I just upgraded to a like new 3yr old jd 348 a couple yrs ago. 1st owner had put big rd baler twine in it and finally traded it off thinking something was mechanically wrong in the knotters. Paint was still like new on the plunger knives, and the dealer listed it "as-is, no warranty" -- easy fix. The one thing I have always done with all my sq balers over the yrs is clean all hay, chaff,and dust off if they're going to sit unused for a month or longer and spray a very thin coating of oil on ALL bare metal (except the brake disc that holds the needles in the home position) to prevent rust. First bale when starting up will clean any residue off and the baler is performing like it was when last parked -- no rust to polish off and bales will be uniform -- instead of constantly having to adjust tension as bale chamber resistance lessens as rust 'wears' off. These 95 stroke per minute balers will punch a lot of bales through in an afternoon.
My uncle always bought New Holland balers. I think they make the best bales. I had shoulder surgery last year, so I borrowed my neighbors John Deere kick baler. Kicker pan would sometimes kick without a bale, and then the pan would slam down on top of the next bale. Then you would need to cut that bale and pull the slabs out from under it.what a pain. Never again. We have a IH 46 that we use at the farm. Does what we need it to. At the horse stables we have a IH 430. Repaired a lot of things on this baler and it works really well. Congrats on your new baler!😊
Its interesting that NH really has not changed the general baler deign in 50 years. I bought my 268 at an auction for $175. I rebuilt the entire baler (which was made in 1968) and added a model 53 thrower which I also rebuilt (bought two complete for $300) . I used to bale 2-3,000 bales a year with it. They I converted to all round bales but I still have the baler which is like new. I also have a newer 273 with thrower but that baler is also around a 1970 year model but has the supper sweep pickup and split PTO. The older throwers like mine a shaft drive vs. hydraulic drive which I like. I used the 7200 twine which is heavier and seams to tie better. Good luck with yours.
This bring back some good memories. My dad had a medium sized farm in Vermont. There was my Dad and some times my brother in law and me. I was in my teens this was back in the mid sixties. New Holland came out with a baler with a bale thrower. Back then they called it a kicker. We had a very old NH baler that had a gas engine on it. And it was old and costing money almost every time we hooked on to it. So he purchased a brand new one with the thrower. It was so funny I think half of the county stopped into see it work. It was a back saver for sure. After other farmers saw it work they sold so many that the dealer offered my dad a part time job selling machinery. Thanks for bringing back some awesome memories. 😂 this is my first time watching your videos, but I'm going to subscribe.
Baling with a kicker and trailer - that's the way to do it 🙂 I've been doing a few hundred bales, sub 1000, on and off (not my fields) with my Welger AP41 baler. I have a video of it and the kicker. It was their smallest model back then. Your dad talked about the weight. Mine only ways like 990 kg bare. I bought that aftermarket kicker (same principle as yours, but I run it off the tractor hydraulic remotes. And my baler can get back heavy so I'm going to actually look if the left wheel can be adjusted. I don't think there is room but if it just even was a ½ foot it would make a difference. My kicker have enough force to throw the bale over to a second trailer so I've sometimes had two, then when the back one is full I drop it. And regarding the bracing iron your dad put in there - I have a similar thing. Around here (and can be seen in the video) the bale trailers are often not with steerable front axle but instead bogie, so if turning with a full load it can be quite a lot of side force. Best memory of baling was in 2018. A long field with straight windows with lots of hay in. The guy I baled for was selling it to some horse owners - we dropped the trailers at the edge of the field and when we was done we had a barbeque and the buyers unloaded the trailers into their horse trailers (quite far away). Just the fun of driving but no need to do the labor intensive part of unloading. 🙂
Congratulations on the new baler. I am sure that you will have many years of reliable use. We got a 570 in 1995, this would be the 29th season. Probably 450-500,000 bales, lots of oil and grease, never sat outside overnight, just last week it missed a couple of bales, a little tension on the twine disc and one needle wasn’t quite right, hasn’t missed in a couple thousand now. Prior to that I had not touched the knotters since 2016. Tightened up the plunger a few winters ago and wore out a set of needles, that’s about it. I think that says something about NH balers
We have a jd 338 with pan kicker. Purchased new in 2001 and put over half a million bales through it for our 40 cow dairy farm. Have rebuilt it front to back over the last few yrs! And doesn't miss a bale now again!!
Really? According to my calculations you would be feeding 60 bales of hay a day for the last 22 years. And thats calculating at exactly a half a million bales .Sorry but I grew up on a 60 cow dairy farm and didn't come close to that.
Congratulations! I have a NH 275 I bought used almost 20 years ago. Great baler. We make about 2000 bales a year. 15 bale manual stooker cart behind the baler.
There is some farmers I see get new stuff all the time but I see you guys rarely get new equipment due to the fact of how good you treat your equipment and keep up the maintenance. It’s nice seeing some of the older equipment being used yet. Your dad deserves that new machine. I love watching the videos. You guys have a beautiful farm
And yes you can still get a new John Deere! We are not milking any more and do all hay here in the tip of the mitt Michigan. We this is our first season with a bale baron. You should look one up! It is awesome on the flatter ground we have. Not sure on your mountain’s lol
Fun listening to your Dad talking about the baler. We have always treated our balers like royalty. Dad’s first was a McCormick 45 with the Continental engine, drawn with a John Deere B that seemed as though it weighed less than the baler! That baler was worn out before he bought it, but you have to start somewhere! The 24t that dad bought new in ‘69 never spent a night outside and was never exposed to rain unless returning to the barn in a mad dash to finish up! He replaced it with a 337 about twenty years ago, that’s had the same pampering! We run the #40 Bale Ejector on it. It is hydraulically actuated, where the one on the 24t was completely mechanical. The hydraulic launch is very controllable, so with practice and familiarity of terrain conditions, you can place bales pretty close to where you want them. We ran New Holland Haybines from the early ‘70’s on up until about 10 years ago, but never a NH Baler. Bless’ns to ya’s, Tedd
Good baler. The debate of thrower vs ejector is mostly preference. I would sooner unload hay from a JD baler, as long as the person running the baler knows how to put'em in the wagon. It makes a BIG difference! Belt throwers seem to force the bales into the wagon where JD seems to more "loft" the bales in kinda like the arc in softball. I've seen a lot of corn curl bales from NH, but the hydraulic chamber pressure eliminated most of that. Both balers make almost identical otherwise. NH has probably a little better pickup. I've only been around 1 inline. The twine around the cut side is kind of a drawback but those bales are almost perfect rectangles and even through the thrower they stay that way. Once again though the person running the baler means alot. Really enjoy your channel. Too bad the dairy world didn't stay like your family. I can remember when the high school football coaches would call around to see who had hay to bale to get the players in shape for the season. That wouldn't fly anymore. My 2 cents, oh wait that's not worth anything... 😊
We had a JD 336 with a pan kicker when we were dairy farming had good luck with it. Put out over 8000 bales a year but also had the labor force to get it done. I know new Holland offered th JD pan thrower at one time. Like anything with time you could get bales right where you wanted them on the wagon with the pan thrower also. I do think the new Holland did have more capacity than the JD but we only had experience with the JD.
Congratulations on the new baler. I would have preferred 5070 vs the new model just because it’s tried and true. Like you we are one of the few running kickers. We have a JD 348 with pan kicker and we make a shorter bale too. We had some paint issues on ours in the knotters when new too. Our baler, the kit used to mount the kicker, likewise came with a heavy bracket to move the bale chamber wheel a bit to the rear too. Our preservative applicator sets on top of the baler and sprays (buffered propionic acid - when needed) off the pickup - a little different arrangement than most. We use 9600/210 plastic twine and have really zero broken bales anymore. We put in service a 4x4 round baler this year, but I still like the small squares, one trip across the field and the bales are off the field. Our barn is setup to park the wagons inside for unloading later which is nice when it’s threatening rain. Best of luck with the new baler...👍
What a great video on these amazing balers, and bringing back such nice memories. I grew up in very diversified farm country in central New Jersey, and worked very much for a big farm neighbor who farmed about 200 acres of pure alfalfa, along with several hundred acres of wheat, barley for grain and straw, as well as long rye straw, which is tops for horse stalls. THis area is well know for standard bred horse farms, and they all need small, square bales. We would typically bale and load a large trailing wagon with the two of us on it, with 200-250 bales on it, and if the weather was perfect, bale from mid-afternoon well into the evening if the air was dry. We would have 3-4 our us unloading wagons in the barn, while others were baling. If days were good and we had the help, we would run two balers, all wire, 55 lbs bales were the target, as horse farmers were very picky, and my neighbor wanted to sell a bale that were all the same. We always carried a scale in the tractor, every so often we would stop and weigh a bale to be sure. The baler was never left outside over night, never!! They were always treated like gold, the usual tractor to run our balers were a John Deere 3010, or sometimes an IH 706, no cabs!! The 3010 was actually the preferred tractor, baler was always a New Holland. We were about two hours away from the New Holland main plants in Lancaster county, PA, I can still remember the dealer from that area bringing my neighbor parts in their small single engine plane, and circling behind the main barn, kicking out a box of parts from the plane and dropping them in the pasture behind the barn, then flying away, that was service!! Thanks again for your great videos, you have such a nice farm!!
My first baler was a NH 268, when I still lived in WI. After moving to OK I bought a JD 244ws which is a wire tie baler. I currently run a Hesston 4590 which is an in-line square baler. Running it with a 10 bale accumulator and grapple doing bermuda horse hay. Really like the in-line.
I still use a NH 320 square baler that we inherited from my father in law. He bought it new 47 years ago. For the first 25 or so years he had it while we still had the dairy herd he averaged around 16,000 bales a year with it. I still bale around 1,600 hay bales and a few hundred straw bales a year with it. Always kept inside, never rained on and just replaced parts that wear over time. Still runs great. We live near New Holland where they are made so it is easy to get parts for it. Wouldn't want any other brand of small square baler. We farm on a lot of hills as well so I fully understand your wanting to put an extra brace on the tongue to hook the wagons to. We have beefed up ours over the years as well. Just had to put on a new frame for the kicker. After 47 years and lots of welding on the original 70 thrower it was wore too much to weld anymore but like I said, there are a lot of them in this area so we found a frame in good shape and replaced it and now it works better than before.
The Cadillac of balers! I remember when we upgraded balers back in the olden days, fancy new baler with payments ... and it couldn't reliably tie bales any better than the old one (that's when I learned all the cuss words as a kid, because you know when hay is down it's going to rain!)... If I was getting into hay bales now I'd look at the tow-behind accumulator trailers that group bales a dozen at a time, use the grapple-grid to pick them up and stack on a wagon/trailer. That keeps bales in more uniform shape for retail than unbending thrower wagon bales. And less hired (or kid) help needed. Those little stacker trucks and stacker wagons are cool too, but pricey.
We always ran the John Deere’s with the kicker. My Dad never liked the belt ejector that New Holland sells. New Holland Haybine and rake but always JD tractors and balers.
My Uncle Bill Erickson's first Square baler was a John Deere Square baler. At the time he also had a New Holland Round hay baler. He eventually got rid of the New Holland Round baler because he felt was getting two much waste baling hay with the Round baler. While we weren't talking he traded in the New Holland Round baler and bought a New Holland Square Hay Baler for the Quarter Ton Square Hay Balers. My late Grandfather William Erickson Sr. had two Small Square Hay Balers. I don't remember the brand. At the time I was young he was no longer farming.
I bought a New Holland 268 with thrower in 2000. Used until 2017. It sat in the shed for 3 years. I sold it last year. The guy I sold it to is still using it.
I have that baler. Bought brand new in 2015. I have broken 1 shear bolt in that time. But since they set it up in the field the day they delivered it, it has never missed one single knot. Only time it will miss is when the knot that I tied two balls together comes through, otherwise mine has been flawless. I love that baler.
Congrats on the new NH baler. Those NH balers have been good machines for a long time. My Dad's NH 66 worked well in the 1950s and 60s. Lots of memories of haying from cutting, crushing, stacking in the mow and all the steps in between. I did it all.
For years all we used was a super 68 and hand stacked around 5k bales a year, recently upgraded to a 315 with a thrower and it’s a total game changer, personally think new holland makes the best small square balers. Congrats on the new unit, have heard good things about the 5070
Like the pan kicker. Better control and easier to fill the wagon full. On flatter ground we would put aprox 125 bales in a wagon. When JD patten ran out you could get the pan kicker on a New Holland. Don’t know if you still can.
Very nice on the new baler, I have ran a 273 New Holland and a 247 John Deer both are good. The John Deers you can place the bales better and make a bigger load but they are kinda dangerous the way they work. A friend of ours had a John Deer that was the first one they made and he is still running it. And they make over 15,000 a year.
My uncle still has the New Holland square baler my grandfather bought back in the 70s and still runs it every year...I put up a lot of bales growing up...thank God for the kicker...I grew up on my Grandfather's dairy farm in Alton, Maine...honestly Id never own a John Deere baler...but to each their own
In our area the hay market is very interesting, in that, the cost of small bales is nearly twice as high for small square bales versus large squares. So many operations have gone to large square bales for economics of handling there is a scarcity of available hay in small squares. We have always baled our hay in 14 X 18 small square bales, used a one quarter turn discharge onto the field, pick the bales up with a New Holland stack wagon, stacked them in storage, or at the location for movement into a building as you do. Most of our bale handling is entirely done mechanically. Your bales look shorter and lighter in weight than ours at 41 inches and 70 to 75lbs. per bale.. I have seen the price per bale as high as $11 to $13 dollars per bale in our area with small squares being valued at nearly double that per ton of the same hay in large squares. Nick, North West Farmer (Oregon)
We have had New Holland balers since the early 70’s and are currently running a BC 5070 and have had virtually no issues. We are a total New Holland farm with the exception of our tillage equipment. We have a great dealership and have had great success with them. You made a great choice and won’t regret it. My cousin bought a new 265 and is very happy. Same new paint issues but has ran flawless with 6000 bales so far this year. Like you said just a new paint scheme and some modern looking decals. Love the channel !!!
Hopefully your new little square baler treats you well and last as long as the 575 lasted for yall. My family runs a MF 224 with a after market 212 thrower and my grandfather owned it first then we bought it from him. But for the baler being 40 + years old it does good only missing 9 bales in 3 loads of hay is not bad in my opinion.
We have a 336 Deere and it’s got a pan kicker. They throw the bale with more of an arc than the belt throwers do so you can fill the racks fuller. The down side is they sometimes don’t reset the way they are supposed to and the next bale slides under the kicker. Another good thing is you’ll never burn the twines off by not feeding the baler hard enough.
NH 268 was the go to baler in scotland till the advent of round balers ,small square balers are rarer than hens teeth now although a few will be out to make a few bales balers for stables and straw balers for calf houses ,this summer in scotland we have had rain everyday since late June ,making Haylage or Silage has been difficult ,Hay impossible ,raion forecast for at least another two weeks ,wettest since 1985
This old man is amazed at how well built it was. A long way from the old IH 55w I grew up around. Super C motor ran the baler and we had a briggs engine running the kicker, no way to aim it. Just pay attention. Started out pulling it with a F30 then a M then a 1206.
Paul from Iowa, I have a John Deere, I can't believe you didn't get one to match that nice Green tractor. It's all good, that looks like a good one. Be Safe God Bless!!!
We have always used New Holland Balers on our Farm here in Central Alabama. We bale Coastal Bermuda, Argentine Bahia Grass and Wheat Straw. We started out with a 273 and have a 5070 now. Outstanding machines. If it miss ties its usually a bad spot in the in the twine. Congratulation, excellent choice! Ya'll be Safe!!!!
I did a lot of baling with a Deere 336 baler with the 30 ejector. I liked the ejector on the side hills, you could level the ejector out and not lose bales over the side.........
Nice baler. I started out with my dad's 68 NH in the late 80s then got a 273 with a 54a thrower and then my current baler a 336 JD witha pan kicker. All good Balers it's always nice to upgrade keep up the good work hope you're getting enough rain to keep things going sure has been spotty this year thanks again.
I can smell new paint all the way in eastern Pennsylvania. Congratulations , as a small operation a new piece of equipment is exciting. I like how your dad related the age of old bailer to your how old were when he bought it. We relate our equipment the same way.
I found a new Holland 270 . I do about 1500 bale's a year on my small farm here in new York. It was in really good shape. A slow poker , 65 strokes per minute. But gee wiz it works great.made between 1961 to 63. I wish they would make a new smaller version. Good luck with your new one.
Talking about the 70's era. In 1968 my dad took on a contract of putting up alfalfa on 1000 acres in Eastern Washington. 4 cuttings a year for a guy that bought in eastern Washington from Texas. Dad bought a new John Deere 880 Swather with 14 ft. header and hydrostatic drive and A/C. My 15 yr old sister ran that and cut 100 acres a day of 1st cutting that went 3 plus tons per acre. He had three new John Deere 214 WS (wire tie) balers. Mom, Dad and my 14 yr old brother ran the balers at night with the dew on to keep leaves on stem. I ran the Haro- Bed and the most I ever produced was I stacked 4000 bales in one day. It was quite the family operation. The hay was all sold to dairies in the western part of the state and British Columbia.
My dad never owned his own baler while running his small dairy farm in the '50s. He could usually secure one of the neighbors to do the job (hay or straw). The baler of choice back then was a New Holland; another one was an IHC 46T. He sold a lot of straw to local contractors. I can still recall the old hayfork lifting 8 bales at a time, hitting the track and dad pulling the rope to drop the load. Thanks for the memories and good luck with your new baler.
My dad's first baler was a NH Super 77 pto drive was so heavy it made our M Farmall really work but it tied well and made good bales the next baler we had was a Super 66 NH and we pulled that with a 981 Ford with selectospeed shift and live pto we were one of the last in our area to have a small square baler so we did a ton of custom work mostly straw and I loaded every bale that baler put out for 3 summers. Your viewer from Iowa.
We had a John Deere 14T then a 24T bailer on our farm in central MN in the late 70's and early 80's. All hand loaded on hay racks. Like to see the small squares.
Thanks for the vid! Love to see small squares, kicker wagons, loft conveyors and young men stacking- so rare now, but I've loved it since I was a kid! Congrats on the shiny new baler. We have an early '90s 265 with a 72 thrower here in Vermont. If it ever stops raining, we'll get on some second cut.
Watching the baler working brings back good memories of my youth. Doing hay and milking in tie stalls provided jobs and life experience for many young teens. A bygone era. You men have a wealth of knowledge on the subject and you impart it very well. Thanks for sharing. Viewing from central NY state.
I enjoyed your commentary and reminiscing about the small square balers you used. Your comments reminded me of my father, who was a mechanic - his speciality was John Deere balers. Two things you said resonated with my dad’s experience. If the baler is not properly tying, it is not working and the key is knowing what to adjust to get the baler to tie properly. Anyway, great video. I enjoyed it all.
My dad bought a 273 with the thrower. My first baler was an AC 303. It worked ok but everyone I worked for had a John Deere with the number 30 bale ejector. The first of that series was the 336. The baler John Deere makes today is I believe the 348. They are almost identical at first glance but there have been a lot of up grades since the 336. I have a 336 with the number 30 bale ejector. I added an electric speed control for the kicker which makes it nice. I put it on when I was dating a girl that had a hard time adjusting the kicker speed. The big draw back with my old baler is the pickup head is a lot smaller than the windrows of straw coming out the back of the 9500 and later combines. And then there is the fact that it is just old now. It so far has been very reliable.
Nice baler! We have a 565 NH now, but when I was a young teenager my Dad had a NH311with a kicker instead of the belt thrower.That thing was a nightmare and he hated it. Good content! Thanks
I think if I'm not mistaken the nodders these days on the deer New Holland in Case IH are all New Holland now then I was told when I had a Deere baler with a pan thrower the panther is a deer design and that the belt throwers are a New Holland We make most of our hey here on our farm and western Pennsylvania wrapped for a silage we may be Bank 602 1000 bales of dry hay in squares and probably around a thousand of straw in squares. Using a John Deere 328 with a shoot not Bale kicker
We have always run older small square balers. With the price increase of equipment just can’t justify the price of a new one when the old ones do the exact same thing. Dad just got a 575 and I run a 326 both of which are hay eating machines. The 5070 is a beast of a machine for sure I’m sure it will work well for you. One thing I’ve heard is an issue is pto shafts break off at the flywheel. Never did hear if there was anything to fix it but something to be aware of. Also on the new series I spoke to the new holland rep at the NFMS in Louisville this year and he explained what the new numbers mean. The 2 is how many strings it has and the 75 is how wide the pickup is. Everything is basically the same as the 5070. I had a video of discussing it with him but my as card got messed up and lost the footage.
we had a International 440 baler, loved that one she was a fantastic machine , i have used a new holland 945 and that was when they change the color to yellow , baled loads with that but it would always miss a few and if the crop was not 100% fit it would play up , the timing of of that baler went wrong a few times and it would smash the needles , the thrower never took of here in the UK it was the flat 8 system that was the best
My experience was with an IH 45 baller. we never had a bail thrower and pulled a rack and stacked them as we went. This was a cattle operation in central Illinois. Truthfully I think the knotter assembly dates back to some of McCormick Derring's patents on the first binders. I know we had an early corn binder and the Knotters were very similar.
I worked at my friends farm in high school 77-80 - you threw me when you said the baler shouldn't get wet! His brother would power wash the baler at the end of the season (JD Kicker not sure of model) and put an oil tarp over it in the barn for the winter - it always looked like new!
the new 275 balers basically are the old ones just beefed up to modern standards. (they are still called hayliners) otherwise congrats on the baler, I've owned one for 8-10 years now, solid baler only problem I've had with it is the main drive fell off multiple times (while under warranty) till they gave me a beefier main. then I still use a thrower too (same one) a lot safer than the john deere kickers imo, ( worked with several from neighbors and they liked to stay loaded and spring on you randomly) but all in all the NH thrower will handle some hefty bales, make mine 4ft long and depending on windrow it can eat 5-6ft bales no problem. I live south of you guys and always enjoy watching your videos.
Speaking of bale throwers, I was one quite often. A bale would fall off the wagon, I'd throw it back on. A bale would fall off the elevator and I'd throw it back on. I threw a cob of sweet corn at my cousin one time and hit him right in the eye. He followed me as I ran back to the hay mow and beat the snot out of me when he caught me. You gotta be careful when you're a bale thrower and when you throw other stuff.
Congratulations! on your purchase. It's been a really long time since I left farming for the USAF in 1965 but the term "square" bales just doesn't fit easily. I realize that calling rectangular bales "square" works when you're differentiating rectangular from "round" bales but I'm just too old to accept change. Ha!
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If you have thrown by hand in the hills and you see a machine tosser, a wry smile comes across your face because you know somebody has made the big time....
Work smarter not harder
we got a 276 and a 575 and they have been great to us
I went from an old international 440 baler to a hesston inline baler. Best thing I ever did
She just purrs right along smooth and quiet!
Cool to see new small square baler.....
I could listen to your dad all day . No wasted words 👍
Wow!!! Love your very real channel. God bless you and your farm. We need families like yours
You drove all the way to wausau! Lol how many people can pronounce that! I'm glad swiderski implement was able to hook you up.
They could have stopped at Meyer for a new chopper box too!!
Did see a new one on the lot in Appleton at Swiderski Power.
Dad bought a 273 with supersweep pickup and 3 joint pto line and belt thrower new in 76 or 77. About $4000 then. Pulled it with JD 720. A bit more money now.
I work for a Agco dealer as a tech. We specialize in hay equipment. The one thing I’ve noticed between the deere, NH and Hesston, the deere and NH both come with painted knotters and everyone always says that the miss a few bales the first time until the knotters shine up. The hesstons come un painted. We always make sure the knot before they leave the dealer
Your Dad could be a great New Holland rep. He knows more about that baler than anyone, and he knows how to explain it to us. What an articulate guy. I'm sure you'll get many good years use out of this one.
Problem is they don't sell many
I had a good one new holland can’t remember the number but 40000 to 50000 bales a year was normal I did some custom bailing barely missed a bale. Had to keep the chaff cleaned out daily seemed to be the answer for less trouble with the knotter!
Experience has been a good teacher for your Dad. Although a lot of the principles are the same, each generation of baler has added to the capacity and reliability of the machines.
Bright and shiny!
Your dad always comes up with the goods , see where you boys didn't fall far from the tree . Great baler . 👍🇬🇧
I grew up helping my dad and grampa bale hay, and he had an old 273 with a kicker. I’d ride on the twine box while dad baled and grab any missed bales, then run wagons and unload etc… Anyway, that baler was still making hay until about 2010 when my grampa retired from his retirement job… haha. But yea, all the knotters and core components are all pretty much unchanged right up until now. That 273 had the kicker belt tensioner crank and the twine tensioner crank that were mounted up behind the driver’s head off the baler tongue… all that stuff is hydraulic now, nice n easy instead of cranking like crazy to catch a bale on a tight corner 🤣. Anyway, sweet new baler, thanks for jogging those memories for me!
I just upgraded to a like new 3yr old jd 348 a couple yrs ago. 1st owner had put big rd baler twine in it and finally traded it off thinking something was mechanically wrong in the knotters. Paint was still like new on the plunger knives, and the dealer listed it "as-is, no warranty" -- easy fix. The one thing I have always done with all my sq balers over the yrs is clean all hay, chaff,and dust off if they're going to sit unused for a month or longer and spray a very thin coating of oil on ALL bare metal (except the brake disc that holds the needles in the home position) to prevent rust. First bale when starting up will clean any residue off and the baler is performing like it was when last parked -- no rust to polish off and bales will be uniform -- instead of constantly having to adjust tension as bale chamber resistance lessens as rust 'wears' off. These 95 stroke per minute balers will punch a lot of bales through in an afternoon.
Paul from Iowa, Whoa Baby, Congratulations to you guys, appreciate the videos
My uncle always bought New Holland balers. I think they make the best bales. I had shoulder surgery last year, so I borrowed my neighbors John Deere kick baler. Kicker pan would sometimes kick without a bale, and then the pan would slam down on top of the next bale. Then you would need to cut that bale and pull the slabs out from under it.what a pain. Never again. We have a IH 46 that we use at the farm. Does what we need it to. At the horse stables we have a IH 430. Repaired a lot of things on this baler and it works really well. Congrats on your new baler!😊
Its interesting that NH really has not changed the general baler deign in 50 years. I bought my 268 at an auction for $175. I rebuilt the entire baler (which was made in 1968) and added a model 53 thrower which I also rebuilt (bought two complete for $300) . I used to bale 2-3,000 bales a year with it. They I converted to all round bales but I still have the baler which is like new. I also have a newer 273 with thrower but that baler is also around a 1970 year model but has the supper sweep pickup and split PTO. The older throwers like mine a shaft drive vs. hydraulic drive which I like. I used the 7200 twine which is heavier and seams to tie better. Good luck with yours.
This bring back some good memories. My dad had a medium sized farm in Vermont. There was my Dad and some times my brother in law and me. I was in my teens this was back in the mid sixties. New Holland came out with a baler with a bale thrower. Back then they called it a kicker. We had a very old NH baler that had a gas engine on it. And it was old and costing money almost every time we hooked on to it. So he purchased a brand new one with the thrower. It was so funny I think half of the county stopped into see it work. It was a back saver for sure. After other farmers saw it work they sold so many that the dealer offered my dad a part time job selling machinery. Thanks for bringing back some awesome memories. 😂 this is my first time watching your videos, but I'm going to subscribe.
Baling with a kicker and trailer - that's the way to do it 🙂
I've been doing a few hundred bales, sub 1000, on and off (not my fields) with my Welger AP41 baler. I have a video of it and the kicker. It was their smallest model back then. Your dad talked about the weight. Mine only ways like 990 kg bare. I bought that aftermarket kicker (same principle as yours, but I run it off the tractor hydraulic remotes. And my baler can get back heavy so I'm going to actually look if the left wheel can be adjusted. I don't think there is room but if it just even was a ½ foot it would make a difference.
My kicker have enough force to throw the bale over to a second trailer so I've sometimes had two, then when the back one is full I drop it.
And regarding the bracing iron your dad put in there - I have a similar thing. Around here (and can be seen in the video) the bale trailers are often not with steerable front axle but instead bogie, so if turning with a full load it can be quite a lot of side force.
Best memory of baling was in 2018. A long field with straight windows with lots of hay in. The guy I baled for was selling it to some horse owners - we dropped the trailers at the edge of the field and when we was done we had a barbeque and the buyers unloaded the trailers into their horse trailers (quite far away). Just the fun of driving but no need to do the labor intensive part of unloading. 🙂
That's a beautiful NEW implement! Thanks for the walk-around and explanations.
Congratulations on the new baler. I am sure that you will have many years of reliable use. We got a 570 in 1995, this would be the 29th season. Probably 450-500,000 bales, lots of oil and grease, never sat outside overnight, just last week it missed a couple of bales, a little tension on the twine disc and one needle wasn’t quite right, hasn’t missed in a couple thousand now. Prior to that I had not touched the knotters since 2016. Tightened up the plunger a few winters ago and wore out a set of needles, that’s about it. I think that says something about NH balers
We have a jd 338 with pan kicker. Purchased new in 2001 and put over half a million bales through it for our 40 cow dairy farm. Have rebuilt it front to back over the last few yrs! And doesn't miss a bale now again!!
Really? According to my calculations you would be feeding 60 bales of hay a day for the last 22 years. And thats calculating at exactly a half a million bales .Sorry but I grew up on a 60 cow dairy farm and didn't come close to that.
Your Dad seems pretty excited about his new baler , I'm happy your family is doing well enjoy your new machine.
Ran a John Deere 336 baler when I was in high school. It had a pan kicker on it. As long as the knives were sharp it never skipped a beat.
Congrats on the new baler, hope it works well.
Congratulations! I have a NH 275 I bought used almost 20 years ago. Great baler. We make about 2000 bales a year. 15 bale manual stooker cart behind the baler.
Great baler and hope you get many years great use out if it.Thanks for the in depth information.Have a great weekend.
There is some farmers I see get new stuff all the time but I see you guys rarely get new equipment due to the fact of how good you treat your equipment and keep up the maintenance. It’s nice seeing some of the older equipment being used yet. Your dad deserves that new machine. I love watching the videos. You guys have a beautiful farm
Thanks for the info- out west most commercial hay farms have 5 to 10 Freeman 3- tie balers going
And yes you can still get a new John Deere! We are not milking any more and do all hay here in the tip of the mitt Michigan. We this is our first season with a bale baron. You should look one up! It is awesome on the flatter ground we have. Not sure on your mountain’s lol
Fun listening to your Dad talking about the baler. We have always treated our balers like royalty. Dad’s first was a McCormick 45 with the Continental engine, drawn with a John Deere B that seemed as though it weighed less than the baler! That baler was worn out before he bought it, but you have to start somewhere!
The 24t that dad bought new in ‘69 never spent a night outside and was never exposed to rain unless returning to the barn in a mad dash to finish up! He replaced it with a 337 about twenty years ago, that’s had the same pampering! We run the #40 Bale Ejector on it. It is hydraulically actuated, where the one on the 24t was completely mechanical. The hydraulic launch is very controllable, so with practice and familiarity of terrain conditions, you can place bales pretty close to where you want them.
We ran New Holland Haybines from the early ‘70’s on up until about 10 years ago, but never a NH Baler.
Bless’ns to ya’s, Tedd
We purchased the same baler this year. Best thing we ever did!!!
Made the same trade a few years ago. You guys have the same mind set " short window of time things gotta go ". We like ours, good luck haying.
Good baler. The debate of thrower vs ejector is mostly preference. I would sooner unload hay from a JD baler, as long as the person running the baler knows how to put'em in the wagon. It makes a BIG difference! Belt throwers seem to force the bales into the wagon where JD seems to more "loft" the bales in kinda like the arc in softball. I've seen a lot of corn curl bales from NH, but the hydraulic chamber pressure eliminated most of that. Both balers make almost identical otherwise. NH has probably a little better pickup. I've only been around 1 inline. The twine around the cut side is kind of a drawback but those bales are almost perfect rectangles and even through the thrower they stay that way. Once again though the person running the baler means alot.
Really enjoy your channel. Too bad the dairy world didn't stay like your family.
I can remember when the high school football coaches would call around to see who had hay to bale to get the players in shape for the season. That wouldn't fly anymore. My 2 cents, oh wait that's not worth anything... 😊
Dad seems like a cool guy.
We had a JD 336 with a pan kicker when we were dairy farming had good luck with it. Put out over 8000 bales a year but also had the labor force to get it done. I know new Holland offered th JD pan thrower at one time. Like anything with time you could get bales right where you wanted them on the wagon with the pan thrower also. I do think the new Holland did have more capacity than the JD but we only had experience with the JD.
Growing up, we had a super 66, 273 and a 310 and later a 315.
Congratulations on the new baler. I would have preferred 5070 vs the new model just because it’s tried and true. Like you we are one of the few running kickers. We have a JD 348 with pan kicker and we make a shorter bale too. We had some paint issues on ours in the knotters when new too. Our baler, the kit used to mount the kicker, likewise came with a heavy bracket to move the bale chamber wheel a bit to the rear too. Our preservative applicator sets on top of the baler and sprays (buffered propionic acid - when needed) off the pickup - a little different arrangement than most. We use 9600/210 plastic twine and have really zero broken bales anymore. We put in service a 4x4 round baler this year, but I still like the small squares, one trip across the field and the bales are off the field. Our barn is setup to park the wagons inside for unloading later which is nice when it’s threatening rain. Best of luck with the new baler...👍
What a great video on these amazing balers, and bringing back such nice memories. I grew up in very diversified farm country in central New Jersey, and worked very much for a big farm neighbor who farmed about 200 acres of pure alfalfa, along with several hundred acres of wheat, barley for grain and straw, as well as long rye straw, which is tops for horse stalls. THis area is well know for standard bred horse farms, and they all need small, square bales. We would typically bale and load a large trailing wagon with the two of us on it, with 200-250 bales on it, and if the weather was perfect, bale from mid-afternoon well into the evening if the air was dry. We would have 3-4 our us unloading wagons in the barn, while others were baling. If days were good and we had the help, we would run two balers, all wire, 55 lbs bales were the target, as horse farmers were very picky, and my neighbor wanted to sell a bale that were all the same. We always carried a scale in the tractor, every so often we would stop and weigh a bale to be sure. The baler was never left outside over night, never!! They were always treated like gold, the usual tractor to run our balers were a John Deere 3010, or sometimes an IH 706, no cabs!! The 3010 was actually the preferred tractor, baler was always a New Holland. We were about two hours away from the New Holland main plants in Lancaster county, PA, I can still remember the dealer from that area bringing my neighbor parts in their small single engine plane, and circling behind the main barn, kicking out a box of parts from the plane and dropping them in the pasture behind the barn, then flying away, that was service!!
Thanks again for your great videos, you have such a nice farm!!
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My first baler was a NH 268, when I still lived in WI. After moving to OK I bought a JD 244ws which is a wire tie baler. I currently run a Hesston 4590 which is an in-line square baler. Running it with a 10 bale accumulator and grapple doing bermuda horse hay. Really like the in-line.
I still use a NH 320 square baler that we inherited from my father in law. He bought it new 47 years ago. For the first 25 or so years he had it while we still had the dairy herd he averaged around 16,000 bales a year with it. I still bale around 1,600 hay bales and a few hundred straw bales a year with it. Always kept inside, never rained on and just replaced parts that wear over time. Still runs great. We live near New Holland where they are made so it is easy to get parts for it. Wouldn't want any other brand of small square baler. We farm on a lot of hills as well so I fully understand your wanting to put an extra brace on the tongue to hook the wagons to. We have beefed up ours over the years as well. Just had to put on a new frame for the kicker. After 47 years and lots of welding on the original 70 thrower it was wore too much to weld anymore but like I said, there are a lot of them in this area so we found a frame in good shape and replaced it and now it works better than before.
The Cadillac of balers! I remember when we upgraded balers back in the olden days, fancy new baler with payments ... and it couldn't reliably tie bales any better than the old one (that's when I learned all the cuss words as a kid, because you know when hay is down it's going to rain!)... If I was getting into hay bales now I'd look at the tow-behind accumulator trailers that group bales a dozen at a time, use the grapple-grid to pick them up and stack on a wagon/trailer. That keeps bales in more uniform shape for retail than unbending thrower wagon bales. And less hired (or kid) help needed. Those little stacker trucks and stacker wagons are cool too, but pricey.
Very nice green hay. Hope you get many years of trouble free hours on that machine.
We always ran the John Deere’s with the kicker. My Dad never liked the belt ejector that New Holland sells. New Holland Haybine and rake but always JD tractors and balers.
My Uncle Bill Erickson's first Square baler was a John Deere Square baler. At the time he also had a New Holland Round hay baler. He eventually got rid of the New Holland Round baler because he felt was getting two much waste baling hay with the Round baler. While we weren't talking he traded in the New Holland Round baler and bought a New Holland Square Hay Baler for the Quarter Ton Square Hay Balers. My late Grandfather William Erickson Sr. had two Small Square Hay Balers. I don't remember the brand. At the time I was young he was no longer farming.
I bought a New Holland 268 with thrower in 2000. Used until 2017. It sat in the shed for 3 years. I sold it last year. The guy I sold it to is still using it.
I really enjoyed your video. i grew up on a small dairy farm in Canada, and my father was a New Holland guy.
I have that baler. Bought brand new in 2015. I have broken 1 shear bolt in that time. But since they set it up in the field the day they delivered it, it has never missed one single knot. Only time it will miss is when the knot that I tied two balls together comes through, otherwise mine has been flawless. I love that baler.
Congrats on the new NH baler. Those NH balers have been good machines for a long time. My Dad's NH 66 worked well in the 1950s and 60s. Lots of memories of haying from cutting, crushing, stacking in the mow and all the steps in between. I did it all.
For years all we used was a super 68 and hand stacked around 5k bales a year, recently upgraded to a 315 with a thrower and it’s a total game changer, personally think new holland makes the best small square balers. Congrats on the new unit, have heard good things about the 5070
When my father was a teenager in the 60s they used to do 25k-28k bales a year. All stacked
Interesting video, the New Holland baler was very common where I grew in Dunn County WI
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Congratulations 😊
Great video! Good looking baler!
Like the pan kicker. Better control and easier to fill the wagon full. On flatter ground we would put aprox 125 bales in a wagon. When JD patten ran out you could get the pan kicker on a New Holland. Don’t know if you still can.
Very nice on the new baler, I have ran a 273 New Holland and a 247 John Deer both are good. The John Deers you can place the bales better and make a bigger load but they are kinda dangerous the way they work. A friend of ours had a John Deer that was the first one they made and he is still running it. And they make over 15,000 a year.
My uncle still has the New Holland square baler my grandfather bought back in the 70s and still runs it every year...I put up a lot of bales growing up...thank God for the kicker...I grew up on my Grandfather's dairy farm in Alton, Maine...honestly Id never own a John Deere baler...but to each their own
In our area the hay market is very interesting, in that, the cost of small bales is nearly twice as high for small square bales versus large squares. So many operations have gone to large square bales for economics of handling there is a scarcity of available hay in small squares. We have always baled our hay in 14 X 18 small square bales, used a one quarter turn discharge onto the field, pick the bales up with a New Holland stack wagon, stacked them in storage, or at the location for movement into a building as you do. Most of our bale handling is entirely done mechanically. Your bales look shorter and lighter in weight than ours at 41 inches and 70 to 75lbs. per bale.. I have seen the price per bale as high as $11 to $13 dollars per bale in our area with small squares being valued at nearly double that per ton of the same hay in large squares. Nick, North West Farmer (Oregon)
We have had New Holland balers since the early 70’s and are currently running a BC 5070 and have had virtually no issues. We are a total New Holland farm with the exception of our tillage equipment. We have a great dealership and have had great success with them. You made a great choice and won’t regret it. My cousin bought a new 265 and is very happy. Same new paint issues but has ran flawless with 6000 bales so far this year. Like you said just a new paint scheme and some modern looking decals. Love the channel !!!
Hopefully your new little square baler treats you well and last as long as the 575 lasted for yall. My family runs a MF 224 with a after market 212 thrower and my grandfather owned it first then we bought it from him. But for the baler being 40 + years old it does good only missing 9 bales in 3 loads of hay is not bad in my opinion.
These are the kind of people that I come from. Premium people. 👍
We have a 336 Deere and it’s got a pan kicker. They throw the bale with more of an arc than the belt throwers do so you can fill the racks fuller. The down side is they sometimes don’t reset the way they are supposed to and the next bale slides under the kicker. Another good thing is you’ll never burn the twines off by not feeding the baler hard enough.
NH 268 was the go to baler in scotland till the advent of round balers ,small square balers are rarer than hens teeth now although a few will be out to make a few bales balers for stables and straw balers for calf houses ,this summer in scotland we have had rain everyday since late June ,making Haylage or Silage has been difficult ,Hay impossible ,raion forecast for at least another two weeks ,wettest since 1985
Bales hay sales Down by Phoenix Arizona They make thousands and thousands of small square Is bales. Is amazing To watch his videos
This old man is amazed at how well built it was. A long way from the old IH 55w I grew up around. Super C motor ran the baler and we had a briggs engine running the kicker, no way to aim it. Just pay attention. Started out pulling it with a F30 then a M then a 1206.
Paul from Iowa, I have a John Deere, I can't believe you didn't get one to match that nice Green tractor. It's all good, that looks like a good one. Be Safe God Bless!!!
We have always used New Holland Balers on our Farm here in Central Alabama. We bale Coastal Bermuda, Argentine Bahia Grass and Wheat Straw. We started out with a 273 and have a 5070 now. Outstanding machines. If it miss ties its usually a bad spot in the in the twine. Congratulation, excellent choice! Ya'll be Safe!!!!
I did a lot of baling with a Deere 336 baler with the 30 ejector. I liked the ejector on the side hills, you could level the ejector out and not lose bales over the side.........
Nice baler. I started out with my dad's 68 NH in the late 80s then got a 273 with a 54a thrower and then my current baler a 336 JD witha pan kicker. All good Balers it's always nice to upgrade keep up the good work hope you're getting enough rain to keep things going sure has been spotty this year thanks again.
Nice up grade to the fleet
We always say You have to spend money to make money. New Holland has been building balers for many years and as You know they are probably the best...
I can smell new paint all the way in eastern Pennsylvania. Congratulations , as a small operation a new piece of equipment is exciting. I like how your dad related the age of old bailer to your how old were when he bought it. We relate our equipment the same way.
I found a new Holland 270 . I do about 1500 bale's a year on my small farm here in new York. It was in really good shape. A slow poker , 65 strokes per minute. But gee wiz it works great.made between 1961 to 63. I wish they would make a new smaller version. Good luck with your new one.
Talking about the 70's era. In 1968 my dad took on a contract of putting up alfalfa on 1000 acres in Eastern Washington. 4 cuttings a year for a guy that bought in eastern Washington from Texas. Dad bought a new John Deere 880 Swather with 14 ft. header and hydrostatic drive and A/C. My 15 yr old sister ran that and cut 100 acres a day of 1st cutting that went 3 plus tons per acre. He had three new John Deere 214 WS (wire tie) balers. Mom, Dad and my 14 yr old brother ran the balers at night with the dew on to keep leaves on stem. I ran the Haro- Bed and the most I ever produced was I stacked 4000 bales in one day. It was quite the family operation. The hay was all sold to dairies in the western part of the state and British Columbia.
My dad never owned his own baler while running his small dairy farm in the '50s. He could usually secure one of the neighbors to do the job (hay or straw). The baler of choice back then was a New Holland; another one was an IHC 46T. He sold a lot of straw to local contractors. I can still recall the old hayfork lifting 8 bales at a time, hitting the track and dad pulling the rope to drop the load. Thanks for the memories and good luck with your new baler.
We had a John Deere 336 when we farmed it was a awesome baler. I loved baling with it
We quit farming in 1989.
My dad's first baler was a NH Super 77 pto drive was so heavy it made our M Farmall really work but it tied well and made good bales the next baler we had was a Super 66 NH and we pulled that with a 981 Ford with selectospeed shift and live pto we were one of the last in our area to have a small square baler so we did a ton of custom work mostly straw and I loaded every bale that baler put out for 3 summers. Your viewer from Iowa.
We had a John Deere 14T then a 24T bailer on our farm in central MN in the late 70's and early 80's. All hand loaded on hay racks. Like to see the small squares.
Your dad knows his balers and thats what new holland did for so many years was make balers way before everything they make now thanks for the video
Thanks for the vid! Love to see small squares, kicker wagons, loft conveyors and young men stacking- so rare now, but I've loved it since I was a kid! Congrats on the shiny new baler. We have an early '90s 265 with a 72 thrower here in Vermont. If it ever stops raining, we'll get on some second cut.
Congratulations, it looks like it's going to serve you well.
Watching the baler working brings back good memories of my youth. Doing hay and milking in tie stalls provided jobs and life experience for many young teens. A bygone era. You men have a wealth of knowledge on the subject and you impart it very well. Thanks for sharing. Viewing from central NY state.
I enjoyed your commentary and reminiscing about the small square balers you used. Your comments reminded me of my father, who was a mechanic - his speciality was John Deere balers. Two things you said resonated with my dad’s experience. If the baler is not properly tying, it is not working and the key is knowing what to adjust to get the baler to tie properly. Anyway, great video. I enjoyed it all.
My dad bought a 273 with the thrower. My first baler was an AC 303. It worked ok but everyone I worked for had a John Deere with the number 30 bale ejector. The first of that series was the 336. The baler John Deere makes today is I believe the 348. They are almost identical at first glance but there have been a lot of up grades since the 336. I have a 336 with the number 30 bale ejector. I added an electric speed control for the kicker which makes it nice. I put it on when I was dating a girl that had a hard time adjusting the kicker speed. The big draw back with my old baler is the pickup head is a lot smaller than the windrows of straw coming out the back of the 9500 and later combines. And then there is the fact that it is just old now. It so far has been very reliable.
Nice baler! We have a 565 NH now, but when I was a young teenager my Dad had a NH311with a kicker instead of the belt thrower.That thing was a nightmare and he hated it. Good content! Thanks
The pan type thrower couldn't keep up with the NH baler. Pan couldn't reset before the next bale was in the way.
I think if I'm not mistaken the nodders these days on the deer New Holland in Case IH are all New Holland now then I was told when I had a Deere baler with a pan thrower the panther is a deer design and that the belt throwers are a New Holland
We make most of our hey here on our farm and western Pennsylvania wrapped for a silage we may be Bank 602 1000 bales of dry hay in squares and probably around a thousand of straw in squares. Using a John Deere 328 with a shoot not Bale kicker
We have always run older small square balers. With the price increase of equipment just can’t justify the price of a new one when the old ones do the exact same thing. Dad just got a 575 and I run a 326 both of which are hay eating machines. The 5070 is a beast of a machine for sure I’m sure it will work well for you. One thing I’ve heard is an issue is pto shafts break off at the flywheel. Never did hear if there was anything to fix it but something to be aware of. Also on the new series I spoke to the new holland rep at the NFMS in Louisville this year and he explained what the new numbers mean. The 2 is how many strings it has and the 75 is how wide the pickup is. Everything is basically the same as the 5070. I had a video of discussing it with him but my as card got messed up and lost the footage.
we had a International 440 baler, loved that one she was a fantastic machine , i have used a new holland 945 and that was when they change the color to yellow , baled loads with that but it would always miss a few and if the crop was not 100% fit it would play up , the timing of of that baler went wrong a few times and it would smash the needles , the thrower never took of here in the UK it was the flat 8 system that was the best
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My experience was with an IH 45 baller. we never had a bail thrower and pulled a rack and stacked them as we went. This was a cattle operation in central Illinois. Truthfully I think the knotter assembly dates back to some of McCormick Derring's patents on the first binders. I know we had an early corn binder and the Knotters were very similar.
I worked at my friends farm in high school 77-80 - you threw me when you said the baler shouldn't get wet! His brother would power wash the baler at the end of the season (JD Kicker not sure of model) and put an oil tarp over it in the barn for the winter - it always looked like new!
the new 275 balers basically are the old ones just beefed up to modern standards. (they are still called hayliners) otherwise congrats on the baler, I've owned one for 8-10 years now, solid baler only problem I've had with it is the main drive fell off multiple times (while under warranty) till they gave me a beefier main. then I still use a thrower too (same one) a lot safer than the john deere kickers imo, ( worked with several from neighbors and they liked to stay loaded and spring on you randomly) but all in all the NH thrower will handle some hefty bales, make mine 4ft long and depending on windrow it can eat 5-6ft bales no problem. I live south of you guys and always enjoy watching your videos.
Speaking of bale throwers, I was one quite often. A bale would fall off the wagon, I'd throw it back on. A bale would fall off the elevator and I'd throw it back on. I threw a cob of sweet corn at my cousin one time and hit him right in the eye. He followed me as I ran back to the hay mow and beat the snot out of me when he caught me. You gotta be careful when you're a bale thrower and when you throw other stuff.
I have an oldie but a goodie for your Dad does he remember the old international 45? there is one in the neighborhood and it still works
Great choice for a new baler
Congratulations on your new baler!
Keep up the hard work so cool feed the people.
Congratulations! on your purchase. It's been a really long time since I left farming for the USAF in 1965 but the term "square" bales just doesn't fit easily. I realize that calling rectangular bales "square" works when you're differentiating rectangular from "round" bales but I'm just too old to accept change. Ha!