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@@momogames3704 not sure why some guy responded with cope harder as if they probably know what radar cross section which is what you need to know if you wanna learn about stealth
@@MilitaryVideosSimulation You do realize that this battle would be over long before the fighters got into visual range, right? Each F-22 is capable of targeting multiple targets at once, as well as sharing targeting data with one another. Any missiles fired by the J-20s wouldn't even be able to track the F-22s in the first place, assuming they survived long enough to catch a brief glimpse of a bumblebee sized radar signature. Even if by some miracle a J-20 managed to catch visual sight of an F-22, the F-22 is the superior dogfighter with far better trained pilots. This video more closely depicted a 4th Gen battle, maybe.
@@Seastallion You know the J-20 are stealth fighters just like the F-22 right? It's stealth isn't as good but it also has more powerful radar. Realistically, they would both detect each other at a range of around 30-40km. So it's pretty fair
This simulation is silly at best. The F-22's would have gotten a lock on the J 20's well BVR and would have greatly reduced the J 20's numbers before a successful counterstrike could be launched.
F22 is too old, it doesn't have a passive tracking and locking module and a 360 degree perception module. Its speed, combat radius, radar performance, etc. are not as good as J20, and some key performance of F22 is even inferior to F35.
@seanmcginnis7564 J-20 and the Su-57 are superior to the F-22 Craptor, and in WW3 it will be the J-20 and Su-57 teaming up against 1 F-22, also the J-35 and Su-75 are(Su-75 will be) superior to the F-35
At the recent Saudi defense exhibition, J20 released its performance parameters, so let's compare the data of F22. 1. Body length: J20 21M vs F22 19M 2. Weight: J20 17T vs F22 19.7T (it can be seen that J20 has a larger volume than F22, but is lighter by 2T. More composite materials are used) 3. Maximum range and combat radius: J20 5500km/2000km VS F22 3000km/900km 4. Speed: J20 max2.2M VS f22 max2.2M 5. Supersonic cruise: J20 1.8m vs F22 1.8m 6. Maximum flight altitude: J20 22000M vs F22 22000M 7. Air to air missiles: J20 (PL10/PL12/PL15) PL15 export model with a range of 150 kilometers, Chinese military exclusive model with a range of 200 kilometers VS F22 (AIM-9/AIM120D/) AIM120D with a range of 160 kilometers It is unknown whether the latest AIM120D can fit into the magazines of F22 and F35. But the Chinese military's PL15 is a dual pulse missile that maintains high speed throughout the entire process. 8. Radar: J20: Active phased array radar made of gallium nitride material with 2300 T/R modules; F22: Active phased array radar made of gallium arsenide material with 2000 T/R modules The latest F35 radar will be gallium nitride radar, but China's latest radar material will soon use gallium oxide radar, and its performance will be several times higher than that of gallium nitride radar. The J20 and F22 are both outdated fighter jets, but the body design of the J20 allows it to constantly upgrade and improve. And many special operations specific models have emerged, such as the two seater model and so on! And now the performance of J20 is still using WS-10C aviation engine. If the latest WS-15 aviation engine is replaced, I believe the maximum flight speed of the aircraft will be increased to 2.5M-2.8M, and the combat radius will increase by 200-300 kilometers. The aircraft's load will also increase. Looking forward to the showdown between J35 and F35.
Youn forgot to add that the radar cross section of the J-20 is the size of a 4 x 6 foot door while the F-22 is that of a small insect. The biggest advantage the F-22 is that it can detect AND target the J-20 at a much longer distance by a factor of 3 before the J-20 can detect, much less target the F-22.
If this if how Chinese pilots fly and fight, then the US has absolutely nothing to worry about. A squadron of 4th generation US fighters would have easily won this engagement against China.
American politicians have every conflict they got into since Korea. Had they told the military to this is your objective now do it, things would have been different in all those conflicts.
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Very proud American here but these comments and videos are beyond silly. We literally haven't faced a modern country with an Air Force or even a Navy and we're applying 1940s "success" to today lol. NONE of our current military fighters have a kill against another jet. Do you know why? we've only fought third-world countries that solely rely on suicidal tactics. ALL they had was 1991 Tacomas and AK-47s. Of course, we'll look great against a country with no defense system or proper military. I get the American pride but the comments are just silly. Until the USA fights a modern country with a full military, no one actually knows how the F22s will do. Iraq doesn't count, half their military didn't work and it was a third-world country with all old equipment. Paper tiger.
@@jakee8 War tested only against third world countries who does not even have a proper defense system. I believe any 200m jet can fly over third world countries with ease. Let me know if these jets can fly over China or Russia without getting shot down...not third world countries.
@@H1mynameisLarry these 3rd world countries you talk about, iran? Before we went to war with them they were in the top 5 militaries in the world. What about all the f16s and 15s sent to Ukraine and with non experienced pilots shooting down Russian SU-27s and MiG-29s? USA dogfights daily against allied countries and ourselves. Ever heard about the F-22 taking out 5 F-15s before they could even see it? And that was when the F-22 first came out and not the upgrades and things they’ve fixed on it. The J20 is a complete knockoff of the F-22, you can tell just by looking at it.
@@jakee8 what? Iran top in the world? According to who? They’re literally third world countries. Do they even have an aircraft or a navy? Iran’s GDP isn’t even 500b. I am a proud American but calling everything China makes a knockoff of a US product is getting old and overused. Apparently only USA is the originator of every thing in the world lol. Anyways, Iran is a third world country. Afghanistan, Iraq, Iran, Syria doesn’t even have the ability to attack US soil even if they want to. All they can do is rely on suicidal tactics. You are insanely misled if you truly think our fighter jets can fly over China or Russia like they can over third world countries. There’s a reason why Ukraine abandoned US tactics against Russia because they don’t work against them like they did in Afghanistan. Fighting a country that has the ability to hit US soil is entirely different than fighting guys in 1991 Tacoma trucks.
@@jakee8 Iraq was a paper tiger. The us said none of their stuff worked lol. All outdated and untrained soldier. Top 5 Largest military also does not equate to top 5 most powerful. Not a single soldier today in service has ever shot at another warship or fighter jet. All of our experience are expired. We have only fought against countries where we have an immense advantage. That’s the harsh reality.
J-20's combat radius 2,000 KM is double F-22's 851KM J-20 carries PL-15 missile with Range of 200-300 kilometres which is above 50% more than F-22's AIM-120D's 160 km F-22 has better maneuverability for dog fighting but it needs K-46 for in-flight refuelling J-20 applies datalink and carries PL-15 missile that make it has advantage for better Beyond Visual Range fighting
J-20 is useless if you can't lock your missiles to the stealthiness of the F22, considering f22 raptors has the best maneuverability and noice technology to distract missiles to hit its target. Specially US missiles are accurate precise, while Chinese missiles has a big margin of error, for about 40km?lol
@@pwat6311 Dude what? Forget the game, the J20 carries its 4 x PL-15’s internally and they can definitely be locked on while still in the bay. Only the two PL-10 IR missiles are fitted with the flip out launchers and that’s not an issue because being within visual range missiles both the J20 and the F-22 would be close enough that they could get a radar return off the other regardless. Also not sure where you got your idea of the aircraft not being stealth or that the missiles don’t work because all the information coming out of western analysts & militaries are more than a little concerned about its capabilities. It’s basically an F-22 style aircraft but with a 15 year age gap so it has the same sensor fusion, network architecture and and datalink capabilities the F-35 has.
One thing the F-22 have over the j-20 is it is more stealthy than the J-20. The secret of the F-22 stealth is its radar, in a normal fighter once you turn on your radar to search and engage the the enemy, they will pick up your radar signals and know exactly where you are, but not the F-22 . The F-22 radar signals are undetectable by the enemy while they being lock on, the only time the enemy know the F-22 are there is when they get blow up. How did the F-22 radar achieved that stealthy is classified.
well the F-22 has significant advantages over the J-20. and its not in stealth technology, its actually in its engine technology. While the chinese has an advantage in missile technology, because the J-20 is less stealth capable than the F-22, the missile advantage is in favor of the f-22. But the chinese has always fundamentally not really understood engine technology, and is stupidly underpowered.
@user-ii2lm6kg2g who govern afghanistan for the last two decades. Its the president appointed by west. Talibans hide on cave or hide in afghanistan for last two decades. Thats history dude. Did you know on first day americans bomb kabul, talibans immediately leave the capital, so hurried they forgot their underwear. Your father is one of those
In the Korean War, China did not even have planes or tanks, only infantry and artillery were able to push the Americans back to the 38th parallel, and in the Vietnam War, the US army with the most advanced equipment in the world was defeated, so is the US really that powerful? Perhaps the US can look strong against smaller countries🤣
I certainly believe Mr.Wilsbach, the US Commander Air Force in Pasific. Gen. Kenneth Wilsbach, head of Pacific Air Forces : "We notice that they are flying it [the J-20] pretty well," Wilsbach had said at the time. "We recently had - I wouldn't call it an engagement - where we got relatively close to the J-20s along with our F-35s in the East China Sea, and we're relatively impressed with the command and control that was associated with the J-20." F35 was locked by J20 without knowing, if in combat, F35 has done, so do F22 the Balloon Shooter.
i find it hilarious how people still need to compare one nations supposed 5th gen superiority fighter to another nations 5th gen STRIKE fighter lol im gonna look this up didnt hear about it
oh also, you do realize that getting a lock is one thing and maintaining a weapons grade guidance lock for a kill is something entirely different right? People misunderstand stealth attributes so freaking much. It never meant invisible nor invincible, and never will.
Seeing a F-35 and getting a weapons lock on it are two different animals. It was mentioned the two fighters got close, but it reported that a J-20 locked the Lightning II up. Also, the J-20 isn't near as stealthy as you're thinking. The F-35 has the best avionics in the world right now. It would have any issues seeing it coming. Remember. An Indian Airforce SU-30 saw the J-20 flying along the India/China border with its old radar.
@@devildog3246 because j20 used luneburg lens to reveal their position for the peace flight so the indian can see them, maybe you need to know what is luneburg lens. Luneburg Lens Reflector Luneburg lens reflector, is the luneburg lens half of the surface of the ball (or part) coated with metal reflective layer. The lens reflector thus formed can gather the intercepted electromagnetic waves together and reflect them back with a large gain, thus having a large effective reflective area. The effective radar reflective area is proportional to the fourth power of the side length and proportional to the square of the wavelength. In taiwan, all the patriot and radar can not see the J20 flown over their area.
@@shadowywarrior This is a computer simulation, not a real world battle, of course the computer assumes ALL planes are air worthy. What evidence makes you believe J-20 s are not air worthy? Or this is only your belief without any evidence? I NEVER heard of any news about J-20 are not air worthy
@user-ii2lm6kg2g and yeah...1.) China doesn't actually have 50 j20s. And 2.)....you know how fucking weak the engines are? It's a copy of a Russian engine that was severely outdated, and their home grown engines have so much production and development problem, it's a damn wonder how they get any lift to begin with
@@shadowywarrior This is a computer simulation, not a real world battle, of course the computer assumes ALL planes are air worthy. What evidence makes you believe J-20 s are not air worthy? Or this is only your belief without any evidence? I NEVER heard of any news about J-20 are not air worthy
Chinas j20 is NOT 5th gen, its low observable not stealth, the j20 can not supercriuse, and its radar is 2 generations behind the f22....a plane made in the 90's by the way.
I’m not sure it’s fair to say it’s not 5th gen - it relies on the 5th gen principle approach to aviation warfare pretty clearly, you can see it’s 5th gen priorities and solutions just as clearly. At the end of the day I think it was just a little harder to marry the Russian style core with the American style stealth properties and tradeoffs have to be made, but I still give them 4 1/2 stars - it’s a pretty killer implementation I think it’s certainly noteworthy. The statements elsewhere though that the canards don’t affect the stealth properties is totally misguided and incorrect - canards by definition degrade stealth properties, but they can be made to do so as little as possible and what one commenter referred to as “aligning the edges” is not what happens. The entire stealth profile is a singular profile, the canards included, their effect on the stealth profile will necessarily cause alterations to other design features in that stealth profile - again this can be done very effectively but never perfectly. Remember when thinking in “aligning edges” that all possible relative angles from either point of view must be as ideal a profile as possible, this has nothing to do with aligning edges as at other angles they will be misaligned - the canards have to be worked into every aspect of the stealth profile and this necessarily a limiting factor…
China wins this simulation. The following is my second to second counting of confirmed plane loss of both sides: F-22: 1:45×3 1:46x2, 2:56, 3:15, 4:10, 4:16, 6:04 Total 10 F-22 losses J-20: 1:48, 1:50, 2:00×2, 4:21, 5:39, 5:46, 6:32 Total 8 J-20 losses Of course anybody can draw their own conclusion by doing the counting. But J-20 obviously has the advantages in this simulation
Yo solo digo una cosa y es simple logica, hasta hace menos de una década china no tenia la capacidad ni siquiera de construir un motor lo suficientemente potente para las copias Rusas de sus modelos j-11 j-15 de cuarta generacion y tuvieron que traer ingenieros rusos! En qué cabeza cabe que de la noche a la mañana van a desarrollar tecnología tan sofisticada como para hacer frente a un f-22 raptor?? Simplemente puro sensacionalismo y subjetividad, ni los rusos que están un poco más avanzados aún logran equiparar la tecnología occidental no es tema ideológico es un tema de madurez tecnológica
Kill counter would have been great the fact they all got to the merge was interesting just wondering how it really would have went down in a real bvr situation with both sides using real tactics my money would be on the F-22 just for the better training of the American pilots with way more real world experience unless the PL-15 is as good as they say it is and can get a weapons grade lock on an F-22
Hey bro. Chinese pilots are extremely well trained. In fact, in the last two years it has REALLY become top notch. J-20 had fully integrated and trained with all platforms in all scenarios. The extent and capabilities continually improve. Secondly, the J-20 has many distinct advantages over the F-22. First being the J-20S is double seater. Video stated J-20 but just saying the J-20 fleet will be mostly J-20S 's. It s good portion will be, because double seater increases kill capabilities. Reason being is that the J-20 brings in so many data hard points for the pilot to manage effectively. Third is missiles. China undoubtedly had much superior missile reach then USA. Pl-10 and Pl-15 would've taken out, I would estimate 75-85% of the F-22'S on the first pass, easy. China's radar, at worst equal to F-22. Thought I know it's better I obviously can't prove it. Check out Millennium+7 on you tube for a better insight into the J-20. Also Chinese Forces on YT is pretty decent for J-20 info..
I always hear US Pilots are better trained. During the Korean War Chine and Russian produced many times more aces then US had a kill ration of 1-1 the 10-1 kill ratio that US has been peddling since the war is pure propoganda. Highest scoring Russian Ace had 25 Kills compared to US top scorer with 15-16 kills additionally In Vietnam US produced only 2 aces (Pilots not WSO) Vietnam produced 6 aces considering it had only 200 aircrafts at any given time and most were obsolete against state of the art latest US fighters .US Pilots only fly 9-11 hours per month which is not even enough to maintain any proficiency. ( Per USAF Chief or Staff General Goldfien) It's pure fantasy to assert US Pilots are the best it depends on individual, resolve and skill not the country he is from. China has 200 J-20s in operation and growing every month. US has 140 combat capable F-22 with 20 year old tech no HMD or targeting no IRST shorter range missiles compared to Chinese more advanced and longer range missiles. US pilot are not the best or with the best training.
@@Ram-1231 I concur with your assertion. China has already surpassed US in 4 out of 5 Technology sectors and making enormous strides every month, year.
@@Ram-1231 There is no evidence for that claim. It is a well known fact that American pilots train longer hours than their Chinese counterparts. Not just that but America also has more allies thus more realistic battle scenarios. Not to mention that America is the champion of the Cold War. They invented modern air fighting and modern air strategies. No evidence to suggest the Chinese managed to match the APG-77 even tho it is an older radar. America already has the APG-81, APG-83 and the APG-85 which will be going in F-35. The APG-77 although old is still extremely capable and again there is no evidence that China managed to miniaturized on the level of America
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@daniel-mf4sb If you are talking about a land war on the Asian mainland, then your assumption is correct. But in the highly technical realm of Air and Naval assets, the you and China will be the ones to get a reality check. Just like all communist systems, they lie to themselves before they lie to us. Their "advanced" weapons like the J-20 are overhyped and under performers. One of the less known factors in stealth performance is its manufacturing. Why do you think Russia and China have problems with their radar cross sections being as big as a barn door, it's inferior manufacturing. The tolerances and deviations are very precise on the B-2, B-21, F-22 and F-35, that they nano size cross sections.
The simulator does not take into accunt that US has more exprience dog fighting than the Chinese pilots. You probably have the better plane but if you pilot does not have exprience in warfare, it's worthless.
Given the lack of training chinese pilots receive, I would think this would be a slaughter in reality. The Raptors will fire then notch each rocket as they dropped to the more dense air. Each Dragon would have to fire 2-3 times, assuming they could even get a target lock, to get a single Raptor, and that would be their undoing. The Dragons are underpowered and, even if their pilots had more training and knew to drop to dense air, they wouldnt be able to avoid the eventual outcome of having a more nibble and powered opponent. Certainly, some Raptors would be killed, given their are 50 drags, but not many.
Sure, maybe SOME are undertrained, but I remember a certain US Navy admiral claiming that the past close encounters between J20s and F35s prove that the training is definitely up to US standards. Furthermore, the J20 did get a engine refit with the new WS15, which supposedly is better than the WS10 variants used in the past.
Sorry, it was the Air Force commander in the pacific. Gen. Kenneth Wilsbach, head of Pacific Air Forces : "We notice that they are flying it [the J-20] pretty well," Wilsbach had said at the time. "We recently had - I wouldn't call it an engagement - where we got relatively close to the J-20s along with our F-35s in the East China Sea, and we're relatively impressed with the command and control that was associated with the J-20."
Foolish. Given the lack of training chinese pilots receive? Why do you believe "the lack of training chinese pilots receive"? Because the lack of pilots? the lack of airplane? the lack of budget?
Stealth fighters can also fight in large-scale clusters? Are external missiles also called stealth fighters? You can make animations, but you certainly don't understand military common sense.
@@AirportAviation380 but US and NATO with all kinds of weapons and trillions of dollars budget, can't beat the Afghan goatherders. Congratulation to Afghan goatherders for winning the war. Comparing US planes to Chinese planned will not guarantee the outcome of the airbattle. Its similar to comparing Messerschmitt ME109 against Yak 3 of Soviet Union. ME 109 was superior in many aspect but many ME 109 were shotdown by Yak3. Superiority of weapons don't guarantee victory in war. Victory is the main objective of any war. If you have other objective which is not victory ( just to show your hardware of weapons) then you are wasting your life.
@@AirportAviation380 you forgot how the arrogant Gen. Macarthur was kicked out of north Korea to do the longest retreat in the history of US army, from China border down to Seoul South Korea during Korean war. Gen.Macarthur lost 230,000 men. He told Truman that his main objective of reunification was no longer possible. US and UN lost the Korean war.
@@silentwatcher1455 Well, How come there’s South Korea. As well as Afghanistan was to take down the Taliban which they did tried to establish a government and the afghanis didn’t want that, so the US and Un
Buddy, there are no J20s active around the himalayans, so unless the Indians went to the Chinese east coast, there would be no way that would be achieved. Also EVEN IF the SU30MKI was operating close to the Yunnan airbases, it is still achievable since the J20 operating doctrine states that stealth mode is deactivated in non-combat tension scenarios such as training unless required.
China has never deployed J20s on the Sino-Indian border. How did the Indians discover stealth fighters thousands of kilometers away? Yet another piece of evidence that the Indian Army habitually spreads rumors.
And, Indian bloggers are known for unreliable information, liar, dishonest with exaggerated statements. Check Indian origin news and websites, notice how they present stories, you'll know it. Very similar to russian or indonesian style. Chinese catch up a lot, better than Indian & russian but still behind American or western counterpart. Don't take Chinese advancement for granted
I only say one thing and it is simple logic, until less than a decade ago China did not even have the capacity to build an engine powerful enough for the Russian copies of its fourth generation J-11 J-15 models and they had to bring Russian engineers! Who can imagine that overnight they are going to develop technology so sophisticated as to confront an F-22 Raptor? Simply pure sensationalism and subjectivity, not even the Russians who are a little more advanced are still able to match Western technology. It is not an ideological issue, it is an issue of technological maturity.
The radar cross section of a J-20 is the size of a barn compared to the F-22. Okay, it's a video, but do you really believe that the J-20, which have been picked by radars from Japan, Taiwan, Vietnam, and India, can even be mentioned in the same breath? It appears you would believe the computer generated games rather than the real world. Selfdenial is a characteristic of those who come in last place in real world wars.
By the time the J20’s knew the F22’s were there, they’d be exploding. Although I’m certainly biased as an American, I think there’s a very legitimate case to be made that if this theoretical confrontation took place over open ocean, the F22’s could eliminate most if not all of the J20’s without a single loss. Any J20’s not eliminated with the first volley of missiles at BVR, would be immediately engaged by the 2nd volley of missiles. The J20’s wouldn’t have anything to shoot at for far too long during this battle to survive, let alone mount a solid counter strike. With the most recent iterations of the US missile having a roughly 80% probability of kill, with those numbers projected to be higher when shot from the 5th generation F22, leaves a daunting situation for the J20’s. If you just saw 40 of your colleagues vaporized, I think you’d bug out quick, but it might already be too late. Regardless, I hope we never learn how this scenario would play out in real life. Last thing we want is another damn war, especially with a massive, well funded and technologically ascending China, even if they do lack recent combat experience.
Way !Autor-only one questions-5th generation Chengdu????What is this?At this moment moment only F22&F35 5 th generation/please not mistificate china people🤔
F 22 raptor will detect J 20 first due to its superior AESA radar then the game will be over for J 20. J 20s RCS is greater compared to that of F22 and J 20 is not a complete stealth fighter.
What a Joke your comment is. Name a battle in the last 50 years that gives any validity to that claim. The Military Investment by the United States is second to none, and it's weaponry shows it. From Tanks, to Fighters to Bombers to Air Craft Carriers. The United States Of America Dominates by a HUGE margin. To deny that is being willfully ignorant.
@@rjd1736Do you even know if F22 has ever shot down any enemy plane? Based on what you claim F22 to be the best fighter jet in the world? Your wild biais fantasy?
Yes I do know the answer to your asinine question, The answer is no it has not shot down an enemy plane, The reason is because no other military has been stupid enough to go up against it, and my claim is hardly wild bias fantasy, It's fact. But your question had nothing to do with my answer to your original post. You can live in your fantasy world as long as you like, but you know as well as everyone else that the American Military is the premier military in the world @@jaaydenhuynh
Si ambos bandos poseían buenos misiles ¿Por qué esperaron estar cara a cara en dogfight en vez de dispararse a cientos de kilómetros atrás? Pelean como en la 2WW 🤔
Hey just curious, with the upcoming Kola map to DCS, could you do a video of the Nordic Nations of NATO vs the Russian Northern Command? The Russian Federation has 48 MiG-31s deployed close to Sevromorsk; 48 Su-35s at Petrozavodsk; 19 MiG-29Ks also at Sevromorsk; and 18 Su-33s at Sevromorsk. The Nords have: 31 F-35s from Norway; 4 F-35s + 30 F-16Cs from Denmark; 70 Gripens from Sweden; and 55 F/A-18Cs from Finland
It's about the Engine nacelles. Look at them (I'm in the business, so I know a bit). The Chengdu has exposed conventional circular thrust venturis on the engine. The reason both F22 and F35 don't is to prevent radar emissions. The F22 is faceted planar and the F35 uses "dogtooth" facets on the engine outlet. But whatever.
Whether it is Chinese military video or not, evenly match . USA nothing to boost although hv more experience. Chinese are smart and they catch up fast. In the past, USA only encountered weak countries that easily bully.
@@gohseng1733 you forgot tactics and considering the fact that if you want to win wars then you must be stronger than your opponents, your "oh usa only fight weak countries" reasoning is stupid and meme-able
This SIM takes place in Visuyal Range. The 22 would have attacked BVR, before the 20 even knew they were in the vicinity. The SIM didn't account for ANY of the 22's capabilities.
2 things that will render the F22 a complete loser in any aerial encounter between F22 and J20. J20 is now equipped with twin-seat with the pilot in the back seat operating a fleet of UAVs. That latter while increasing the payload of any mission will target all high value airborne targets like AWACs. China has a long range air-to-air PL15 missiles up to 300 KM. And by 2030s, no one will even make the same comparison as the entire fleet of F22 will be phase out then.
No way. No match J-20 is not 100% stealth. They don't have the advance technology for radar and rocket guidance like we do. Their maneuverability is questionable.
In a game you can view it that way, but in Irl, the j-20 is made up of reverse engineered/ stole f-22 plans, along with shitty Russian engines. The j-20 is such a bad plane, that can't go anywhere near a f-22 or f-35 without getting blasted out of the air.
As for the su-57, while it's a good dogfighter, it won't be able to see the f-22 missles coming. As for the su 75, it doesn't even exist yet and probably won't ever be made.
I'm not a fan of the US military since it is owned and directed by the owners of the Centralized Banking cartel, but this is nothing like how it would happen. First, it would have to be in China, because China cannot reach the US with their fighters or transport the 50 in a short enough time. The US could move 50 F-22's (if they were working) to South Korea. The F-22's would be getting missile lock on the J-20's early on and take them out in a high rate. The few that survived, if any would not be able to get a missile lock on the F-22's. The F-22's would have continued with second and third salvo and that really would be it. The J-20 that was left would be forced to rely on guns and skill. He is then remembered by his country for his service as another missile from an F-22 removes him from the threat list. The F-22's have not even reached line of sight yet. The only one that can currently defeat a group of 50 F-22's is the US President and Congress, and they did.
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If this were real (and it wouldn't be because f-22's aren't meant for formation engagements) the f-22's would have fired their missiles long before the j20's had any clue where the f-22's were. The j20's wouldn't be alerted to the f-22's until they saw missile trails closing fast. By then, the j20's wouldn't have more than a few seconds to maneuver or fire flares which the flares would likely not break missile lock anyways.
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Bro the missiles in j20 are hanging out which doesn't makes it stealthy you noob .
@user-ii2lm6kg2git’s true though, and i am an f-22 fan speaking
no they are not
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@@dobeikwan3684 you know some physics
@@momogames3704 not sure why some guy responded with cope harder as if they probably know what radar cross section which is what you need to know if you wanna learn about stealth
The first notice the J20s would have had of the F22s was when they got a missile up their tailpipe.
Why the fuck were you flying stealth fighters with missiles on the wings? That kills stealth.
THANKYOU FOR SAYING THAT !!!!! I CALL BULLLLLLLORE!!!!
Duh!!!
With the huge radar signatures given by the J-20's. It wouldn't have even gotten to a merge.
This video needs a kill counter.
It's a good idea maybe for the next videos
@@MilitaryVideosSimulationwho won this engagement?
@@MiG-31893the 5th gen
@@MilitaryVideosSimulation
You do realize that this battle would be over long before the fighters got into visual range, right? Each F-22 is capable of targeting multiple targets at once, as well as sharing targeting data with one another. Any missiles fired by the J-20s wouldn't even be able to track the F-22s in the first place, assuming they survived long enough to catch a brief glimpse of a bumblebee sized radar signature. Even if by some miracle a J-20 managed to catch visual sight of an F-22, the F-22 is the superior dogfighter with far better trained pilots.
This video more closely depicted a 4th Gen battle, maybe.
@@Seastallion You know the J-20 are stealth fighters just like the F-22 right? It's stealth isn't as good but it also has more powerful radar.
Realistically, they would both detect each other at a range of around 30-40km. So it's pretty fair
In real life scenario the J20 would've been locked on already before it can see the F22. 😂
This simulation is silly at best. The F-22's would have gotten a lock on the J 20's well BVR and would have greatly reduced the J 20's numbers before a successful counterstrike could be launched.
F22 is too old, it doesn't have a passive tracking and locking module and a 360 degree perception module. Its speed, combat radius, radar performance, etc. are not as good as J20, and some key performance of F22 is even inferior to F35.
@@aison2735J20 is way inferior to F22 stealth.
@@seanmcginnis7564 No, there is not enough evidence to support this conclusion
Unfortunately your information is out of date, you need to look at the latest J20 data and stealth material news
@@seanmcginnis7564
@seanmcginnis7564 J-20 and the Su-57 are superior to the F-22 Craptor, and in WW3 it will be the J-20 and Su-57 teaming up against 1 F-22, also the J-35 and Su-75 are(Su-75 will be) superior to the F-35
At the recent Saudi defense exhibition, J20 released its performance parameters, so let's compare the data of F22.
1. Body length: J20 21M vs F22 19M
2. Weight: J20 17T vs F22 19.7T (it can be seen that J20 has a larger volume than F22, but is lighter by 2T. More composite materials are used)
3. Maximum range and combat radius: J20 5500km/2000km VS F22 3000km/900km
4. Speed: J20 max2.2M VS f22 max2.2M
5. Supersonic cruise: J20 1.8m vs F22 1.8m
6. Maximum flight altitude: J20 22000M vs F22 22000M
7. Air to air missiles: J20 (PL10/PL12/PL15) PL15 export model with a range of 150 kilometers, Chinese military exclusive model with a range of 200 kilometers VS F22 (AIM-9/AIM120D/) AIM120D with a range of 160 kilometers
It is unknown whether the latest AIM120D can fit into the magazines of F22 and F35. But the Chinese military's PL15 is a dual pulse missile that maintains high speed throughout the entire process.
8. Radar: J20: Active phased array radar made of gallium nitride material with 2300 T/R modules; F22: Active phased array radar made of gallium arsenide material with 2000 T/R modules
The latest F35 radar will be gallium nitride radar, but China's latest radar material will soon use gallium oxide radar, and its performance will be several times higher than that of gallium nitride radar.
The J20 and F22 are both outdated fighter jets, but the body design of the J20 allows it to constantly upgrade and improve. And many special operations specific models have emerged, such as the two seater model and so on! And now the performance of J20 is still using WS-10C aviation engine. If the latest WS-15 aviation engine is replaced, I believe the maximum flight speed of the aircraft will be increased to 2.5M-2.8M, and the combat radius will increase by 200-300 kilometers. The aircraft's load will also increase.
Looking forward to the showdown between J35 and F35.
already WS-15 bro
And you trust that data?😅
@@JaeohnEspheras So why is the American one trustworthy? The lift coefficient of the F22 is only 1.5-1.7, but the data they published is 2.0
Youn forgot to add that the radar cross section of the J-20 is the size of a 4 x 6 foot door while the F-22 is that of a small insect. The biggest advantage the F-22 is that it can detect AND target the J-20 at a much longer distance by a factor of 3 before the J-20 can detect, much less target the F-22.
If this if how Chinese pilots fly and fight, then the US has absolutely nothing to worry about. A squadron of 4th generation US fighters would have easily won this engagement against China.
American politicians have every conflict they got into since Korea. Had they told the military to this is your objective now do it, things would have been different in all those conflicts.
@@RobertMarshall-d2n Your response contains words which don't fit together to make complete or meaningful sentences. It is basically unintelligible.
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Yo, 50 cent boy! If you are going to engage in a propagnda campaign at least learn to "speekee da english." You better improve or they might fire you. With China's massive unemployment and failing economy, you don't want to be looking for a job, do you? 🤣🤣🤣
@user-ii2lm6kg2g Easily
Wouldn’t ejecting after being hit at those speeds kill you anyway? This is an honest question bc I have no clue?
Very proud American here but these comments and videos are beyond silly. We literally haven't faced a modern country with an Air Force or even a Navy and we're applying 1940s "success" to today lol. NONE of our current military fighters have a kill against another jet. Do you know why? we've only fought third-world countries that solely rely on suicidal tactics. ALL they had was 1991 Tacomas and AK-47s. Of course, we'll look great against a country with no defense system or proper military. I get the American pride but the comments are just silly. Until the USA fights a modern country with a full military, no one actually knows how the F22s will do. Iraq doesn't count, half their military didn't work and it was a third-world country with all old equipment. Paper tiger.
Thats not true lol, American jets are the ONLY war tested jets in the world... Until the Russia Ukraine war that is
@@jakee8 War tested only against third world countries who does not even have a proper defense system. I believe any 200m jet can fly over third world countries with ease. Let me know if these jets can fly over China or Russia without getting shot down...not third world countries.
@@H1mynameisLarry these 3rd world countries you talk about, iran? Before we went to war with them they were in the top 5 militaries in the world. What about all the f16s and 15s sent to Ukraine and with non experienced pilots shooting down Russian SU-27s and MiG-29s? USA dogfights daily against allied countries and ourselves. Ever heard about the F-22 taking out 5 F-15s before they could even see it? And that was when the F-22 first came out and not the upgrades and things they’ve fixed on it. The J20 is a complete knockoff of the F-22, you can tell just by looking at it.
@@jakee8 what? Iran top in the world? According to who? They’re literally third world countries. Do they even have an aircraft or a navy? Iran’s GDP isn’t even 500b. I am a proud American but calling everything China makes a knockoff of a US product is getting old and overused. Apparently only USA is the originator of every thing in the world lol. Anyways, Iran is a third world country. Afghanistan, Iraq, Iran, Syria doesn’t even have the ability to attack US soil even if they want to. All they can do is rely on suicidal tactics. You are insanely misled if you truly think our fighter jets can fly over China or Russia like they can over third world countries. There’s a reason why Ukraine abandoned US tactics against Russia because they don’t work against them like they did in Afghanistan. Fighting a country that has the ability to hit US soil is entirely different than fighting guys in 1991 Tacoma trucks.
@@jakee8 Iraq was a paper tiger. The us said none of their stuff worked lol. All outdated and untrained soldier. Top 5 Largest military also does not equate to top 5 most powerful. Not a single soldier today in service has ever shot at another warship or fighter jet. All of our experience are expired. We have only fought against countries where we have an immense advantage. That’s the harsh reality.
不论立场，就说视频本身，你至少要把歼20外挂的导弹去掉
ALL BULLSHIT PROPOGANDA CHINES MADE
I agree. The radar signature would be a huge "kick me" sign
J-20's combat radius 2,000 KM is double F-22's 851KM
J-20 carries PL-15 missile with Range of 200-300 kilometres which is above 50% more than F-22's AIM-120D's 160 km
F-22 has better maneuverability for dog fighting but it needs K-46 for in-flight refuelling
J-20 applies datalink and carries PL-15 missile that make it has advantage for better Beyond Visual Range fighting
you forget stealth in your reasoning
@@MilitaryVideosSimulation What stealth are you talking about when you have J20 carry missiles on hardpoints?
@@taitoufeiguo not hard but inside the bey for stealh
J-20 is useless if you can't lock your missiles to the stealthiness of the F22, considering f22 raptors has the best maneuverability and noice technology to distract missiles to hit its target. Specially US missiles are accurate precise, while Chinese missiles has a big margin of error, for about 40km?lol
@@pwat6311 Dude what? Forget the game, the J20 carries its 4 x PL-15’s internally and they can definitely be locked on while still in the bay. Only the two PL-10 IR missiles are fitted with the flip out launchers and that’s not an issue because being within visual range missiles both the J20 and the F-22 would be close enough that they could get a radar return off the other regardless.
Also not sure where you got your idea of the aircraft not being stealth or that the missiles don’t work because all the information coming out of western analysts & militaries are more than a little concerned about its capabilities. It’s basically an F-22 style aircraft but with a 15 year age gap so it has the same sensor fusion, network architecture and and datalink capabilities the F-35 has.
One thing the F-22 have over the j-20 is it is more stealthy than the J-20.
The secret of the F-22 stealth is its radar, in a normal fighter once you turn on your radar to search and engage the the enemy, they will pick up your radar signals and know exactly where you are, but not the F-22 .
The F-22 radar signals are undetectable by the enemy while they being lock on, the only time the enemy know the F-22 are there is when they get blow up. How did the F-22 radar achieved that stealthy is classified.
Hollywood source.
well the F-22 has significant advantages over the J-20.
and its not in stealth technology, its actually in its engine technology.
While the chinese has an advantage in missile technology, because the J-20 is less stealth capable than the F-22, the missile advantage is in favor of the f-22.
But the chinese has always fundamentally not really understood engine technology, and is stupidly underpowered.
@@shadowywarriorOld news. It’s now equipped with WS15.
@@thomasantnthe ws15 has the same problems
@@shadowywarrior Not really. WS15 is on par against F119 at least in terms of thrust.
Why did it seem like the person who uploaded this video was favoring china🧐
@user-ii2lm6kg2g it's just a video nothing special 🪖🇺🇲
Because, like Joe Biden, he's taking bribes from the Chinese Communist Party.
Definitely not lol. He put missiles on the J-20 wings to compromise their stealth
its like getting snipers in to close combat heheheehe
When one on one raptors will definitely a winner, us pilots are train to fight in group or solo
@user-ii2lm6kg2g who govern afghanistan for the last two decades. Its the president appointed by west. Talibans hide on cave or hide in afghanistan for last two decades. Thats history dude. Did you know on first day americans bomb kabul, talibans immediately leave the capital, so hurried they forgot their underwear. Your father is one of those
In the Korean War, China did not even have planes or tanks, only infantry and artillery were able to push the Americans back to the 38th parallel, and in the Vietnam War, the US army with the most advanced equipment in the world was defeated, so is the US really that powerful? Perhaps the US can look strong against smaller countries🤣
歼20应该是内置弹仓吧，外置挂弹就失去了隐身能力
Lolol. It’s stealth huh? What the size of a car?
I certainly believe Mr.Wilsbach, the US Commander Air Force in Pasific.
Gen. Kenneth Wilsbach, head of Pacific Air Forces :
"We notice that they are flying it [the J-20] pretty well," Wilsbach had said at the time. "We recently had - I wouldn't call it an engagement - where we got relatively close to the J-20s along with our F-35s in the East China Sea, and we're relatively impressed with the command and control that was associated with the J-20."
F35 was locked by J20 without knowing, if in combat, F35 has done, so do F22 the Balloon Shooter.
i find it hilarious how people still need to compare one nations supposed 5th gen superiority fighter to another nations 5th gen STRIKE fighter lol
im gonna look this up didnt hear about it
oh also, you do realize that getting a lock is one thing and maintaining a weapons grade guidance lock for a kill is something entirely different right?
People misunderstand stealth attributes so freaking much. It never meant invisible nor invincible, and never will.
@@jamesmaddison4546接受现实吧 哈哈哈 f22根本不是j20的对手 多查些资料对比。
Seeing a F-35 and getting a weapons lock on it are two different animals. It was mentioned the two fighters got close, but it reported that a J-20 locked the Lightning II up. Also, the J-20 isn't near as stealthy as you're thinking. The F-35 has the best avionics in the world right now. It would have any issues seeing it coming. Remember. An Indian Airforce SU-30 saw the J-20 flying along the India/China border with its old radar.
@@devildog3246 because j20 used luneburg lens to reveal their position for the peace flight so the indian can see them, maybe you need to know what is luneburg lens.
Luneburg Lens Reflector
Luneburg lens reflector, is the luneburg lens half of the surface of the ball (or part) coated with metal reflective layer. The lens reflector thus formed can gather the intercepted electromagnetic waves together and reflect them back with a large gain, thus having a large effective reflective area. The effective radar reflective area is proportional to the fourth power of the side length and proportional to the square of the wavelength.
In taiwan, all the patriot and radar can not see the J20 flown over their area.
The computer simulation is assuming all 50 Chinese jets are actually air worthy.
The computer also assumes all 50 F-22 are actually air worthy, the system is fair to both sides
@@prussianguard6825 yeah....but all 50 f-22s are actually air worthy, most of chinese J-20s aren't
@@shadowywarrior This is a computer simulation, not a real world battle, of course the computer assumes ALL planes are air worthy.
What evidence makes you believe J-20 s are not air worthy? Or this is only your belief without any evidence? I NEVER heard of any news about J-20 are not air worthy
@user-ii2lm6kg2g and yeah...1.) China doesn't actually have 50 j20s. And 2.)....you know how fucking weak the engines are? It's a copy of a Russian engine that was severely outdated, and their home grown engines have so much production and development problem, it's a damn wonder how they get any lift to begin with
@@shadowywarrior This is a computer simulation, not a real world battle, of course the computer assumes ALL planes are air worthy. What evidence makes you believe J-20 s are not air worthy? Or this is only your belief without any evidence? I NEVER heard of any news about J-20 are not air worthy
Chinas j20 is NOT 5th gen, its low observable not stealth, the j20 can not supercriuse, and its radar is 2 generations behind the f22....a plane made in the 90's by the way.
Never let the MIC propaganda fools you. Because if that is true we might reports of F-22 incursions around China already.
J20 of chinese are use rissian SU 35 flanker they have no own ingine
@@garryaclan198 Do you believe that BS?
I’m not sure it’s fair to say it’s not 5th gen - it relies on the 5th gen principle approach to aviation warfare pretty clearly, you can see it’s 5th gen priorities and solutions just as clearly.
At the end of the day I think it was just a little harder to marry the Russian style core with the American style stealth properties and tradeoffs have to be made, but I still give them 4 1/2 stars - it’s a pretty killer implementation I think it’s certainly noteworthy.
The statements elsewhere though that the canards don’t affect the stealth properties is totally misguided and incorrect - canards by definition degrade stealth properties, but they can be made to do so as little as possible and what one commenter referred to as “aligning the edges” is not what happens. The entire stealth profile is a singular profile, the canards included, their effect on the stealth profile will necessarily cause alterations to other design features in that stealth profile - again this can be done very effectively but never perfectly. Remember when thinking in “aligning edges” that all possible relative angles from either point of view must be as ideal a profile as possible, this has nothing to do with aligning edges as at other angles they will be misaligned - the canards have to be worked into every aspect of the stealth profile and this necessarily a limiting factor…
From the long and skinny shape of J-20, it is actually the fastest of 5th gens.
China wins this simulation. The following is my second to second counting of confirmed plane loss of both sides:
F-22:
1:45×3 1:46x2, 2:56, 3:15, 4:10, 4:16, 6:04
Total 10 F-22 losses
J-20:
1:48, 1:50, 2:00×2, 4:21, 5:39, 5:46, 6:32
Total 8 J-20 losses
Of course anybody can draw their own conclusion by doing the counting. But J-20 obviously has the advantages in this simulation
Yo solo digo una cosa y es simple logica, hasta hace menos de una década china no tenia la capacidad ni siquiera de construir un motor lo suficientemente potente para las copias Rusas de sus modelos j-11 j-15 de cuarta generacion y tuvieron que traer ingenieros rusos! En qué cabeza cabe que de la noche a la mañana van a desarrollar tecnología tan sofisticada como para hacer frente a un f-22 raptor?? Simplemente puro sensacionalismo y subjetividad, ni los rusos que están un poco más avanzados aún logran equiparar la tecnología occidental no es tema ideológico es un tema de madurez tecnológica
Faltó agregar el Contador final de bajas... No hay Score de resultados.🤔
Kill counter would have been great the fact they all got to the merge was interesting just wondering how it really would have went down in a real bvr situation with both sides using real tactics my money would be on the F-22 just for the better training of the American pilots with way more real world experience unless the PL-15 is as good as they say it is and can get a weapons grade lock on an F-22
It's a good idea maybe for the next videos
Hey bro. Chinese pilots are extremely well trained. In fact, in the last two years it has REALLY become top notch. J-20 had fully integrated and trained with all platforms in all scenarios. The extent and capabilities continually improve.
Secondly, the J-20 has many distinct advantages over the F-22. First being the J-20S is double seater. Video stated J-20 but just saying the J-20 fleet will be mostly J-20S 's. It s good portion will be, because double seater increases kill capabilities. Reason being is that the J-20 brings in so many data hard points for the pilot to manage effectively.
Third is missiles. China undoubtedly had much superior missile reach then USA. Pl-10 and Pl-15 would've taken out, I would estimate 75-85% of the F-22'S on the first pass, easy. China's radar, at worst equal to F-22. Thought I know it's better I obviously can't prove it.
Check out Millennium+7 on you tube for a better insight into the J-20. Also Chinese Forces on YT is pretty decent for J-20 info..
I always hear US Pilots are better trained. During the Korean War Chine and Russian produced many times more aces then US had a kill ration of 1-1 the 10-1 kill ratio that US has been peddling since the war is pure propoganda. Highest scoring Russian Ace had 25 Kills compared to US top scorer with 15-16 kills additionally In Vietnam US produced only 2 aces (Pilots not WSO) Vietnam produced 6 aces considering it had only 200 aircrafts at any given time and most were obsolete against state of the art latest US fighters .US Pilots only fly 9-11 hours per month which is not even enough to maintain any proficiency. ( Per USAF Chief or Staff General Goldfien) It's pure fantasy to assert US Pilots are the best it depends on individual, resolve and skill not the country he is from. China has 200 J-20s in operation and growing every month. US has 140 combat capable F-22 with 20 year old tech no HMD or targeting no IRST shorter range missiles compared to Chinese more advanced and longer range missiles. US pilot are not the best or with the best training.
@@Ram-1231 I concur with your assertion. China has already surpassed US in 4 out of 5 Technology sectors and making enormous strides every month, year.
@@Ram-1231 There is no evidence for that claim. It is a well known fact that American pilots train longer hours than their Chinese counterparts. Not just that but America also has more allies thus more realistic battle scenarios. Not to mention that America is the champion of the Cold War. They invented modern air fighting and modern air strategies.
No evidence to suggest the Chinese managed to match the APG-77 even tho it is an older radar. America already has the APG-81, APG-83 and the APG-85 which will be going in F-35. The APG-77 although old is still extremely capable and again there is no evidence that China managed to miniaturized on the level of America
The modern war is a systematic battle. Ground, air, missile, radar, subrine, warship, satelite, all should be considered...
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@daniel-mf4sb If you are talking about a land war on the Asian mainland, then your assumption is correct. But in the highly technical realm of Air and Naval assets, the you and China will be the ones to get a reality check. Just like all communist systems, they lie to themselves before they lie to us. Their "advanced" weapons like the J-20 are overhyped and under performers. One of the less known factors in stealth performance is its manufacturing. Why do you think Russia and China have problems with their radar cross sections being as big as a barn door, it's inferior manufacturing. The tolerances and deviations are very precise on the B-2, B-21, F-22 and F-35, that they nano size cross sections.
殴打幼儿园小朋友的经验，对于一个拳击手打比赛来说没啥作用
J20 aided by advance sattelites info from above .
Then shot out by the IS
Who won?
F-22 Raptor
@@MilitaryVideosSimulation放屁，05年退役的飞机，和2024.年j20比
This dude knows J20 will slaughter F22, so he puts missiles on its wing making J20 less stealthy. 😂
更正几个问题。J20是内置弹仓，加之PL15，目前F22没有能力在J20最大打击范围内攻击J20。其次目前新一款的J20的2人座版本是配属三架以上无人忠诚僚机作为前置和防守盾功能，F22同等数量级的对抗基本没有胜算。
你認為LP15要使用要不要J20的火控雷達鎖定？要的話這個最大距離意義在那裡？其次J20兩人版本和無人僚機是那個型號？是那年服役？想像和計劃能當成現在那你的對手是否該變成F35 block4 + 無人僚機 + b21？
兩位都對，現在比較中美戰機變成顯學，這在二十年前是不可能的！
起碼中美戰機無代差！
@@i-chengyeh2101 我只能告訴你上面是一竅不通，空空導彈射程不是實際攻擊距離，而是對NEZ的延長
至於中美戰機有沒有代差，這根本不重要，是第幾代戰機是由軍方自己定的，這是一個命名的問題，軍方高興也是能把自己的戰機叫七代機，俄羅斯不就把T14定為四代坦克了
@@音羽-t6q 大外行，妳把J7叫四代機，把F16V叫五代機試試看。
@@i-chengyeh2101 我是軍方嗎？軍方說是你要說不是？五代機標準，隱身、超機動、超視距、超音速巡航、情報共享，你看除F22外，包括F35在內那架做到這些標準？你要說除F22都是4.5代嗎？
Who won this fight
Idk
China
The simulator does not take into accunt that US has more exprience dog fighting than the Chinese pilots. You probably have the better plane but if you pilot does not have exprience in warfare, it's worthless.
No one have anti stealth experience yet.
The tech of this game is obviously chinese
J-20s with external store points....would never have made it to the merge.
It's money vs money.
Who got money wins
😂😂😂
Why does the J20s have external pylons?
W H Y
Given the lack of training chinese pilots receive, I would think this would be a slaughter in reality. The Raptors will fire then notch each rocket as they dropped to the more dense air. Each Dragon would have to fire 2-3 times, assuming they could even get a target lock, to get a single Raptor, and that would be their undoing. The Dragons are underpowered and, even if their pilots had more training and knew to drop to dense air, they wouldnt be able to avoid the eventual outcome of having a more nibble and powered opponent. Certainly, some Raptors would be killed, given their are 50 drags, but not many.
Sure, maybe SOME are undertrained, but I remember a certain US Navy admiral claiming that the past close encounters between J20s and F35s prove that the training is definitely up to US standards. Furthermore, the J20 did get a engine refit with the new WS15, which supposedly is better than the WS10 variants used in the past.
Sorry, it was the Air Force commander in the pacific.
Gen. Kenneth Wilsbach, head of Pacific Air Forces :
"We notice that they are flying it [the J-20] pretty well," Wilsbach had said at the time. "We recently had - I wouldn't call it an engagement - where we got relatively close to the J-20s along with our F-35s in the East China Sea, and we're relatively impressed with the command and control that was associated with the J-20."
Foolish. Given the lack of training chinese pilots receive?
Why do you believe "the lack of training chinese pilots receive"?
Because the lack of pilots? the lack of airplane? the lack of budget?
The J20 is not a fighter - its a flanker.
@@amunra5330 The J20 has almost no connections with the Russian flanker family
F-22 would have shot missiles from many miles away before J-20 even saw them!
F22 vs the J something is like a basket of tofu rammed by a raging bull.
F22 just a joke today! It don't have modern communication system and Infrared ray system. F22 fight with J-20 only be a target!
really how did you figure that out copy paste?
The affects of communism, the Americans have that and more the Chinese only copy and paste
@@AirportAviation380
Americans only have a president pull on his pants.
There is no need of infrared system for F 22. You fool
@@nirvanaofmonkasar1107 hahahahahahaha
why do you just show the j-20 getting shot down and hit mostly
racist he likes usa more
That's the narrative
So who won?
Someone else said it best
“The 5th gen”
Stealth fighters can also fight in large-scale clusters? Are external missiles also called stealth fighters? You can make animations, but you certainly don't understand military common sense.
Uuuhhhh yeah.... that's exactly what intercept training is, they fight in clusters
The F22 and F35 had shorter range with smaller fuel tanks than the Chinese Mighty dragon.
Love how you add the NATO name, the Chinese could not be able to compete with superior jets
@@AirportAviation380 but US and NATO with all kinds of weapons and trillions of dollars budget, can't beat the Afghan goatherders. Congratulation to Afghan goatherders for winning the war. Comparing US planes to Chinese planned will not guarantee the outcome of the airbattle. Its similar to comparing Messerschmitt ME109 against Yak 3 of Soviet Union. ME 109 was superior in many aspect but many ME 109 were shotdown by Yak3. Superiority of weapons don't guarantee victory in war. Victory is the main objective of any war. If you have other objective which is not victory ( just to show your hardware of weapons) then you are wasting your life.
@@AirportAviation380 you forgot how the arrogant Gen. Macarthur was kicked out of north Korea to do the longest retreat in the history of US army, from China border down to Seoul South Korea during Korean war. Gen.Macarthur lost 230,000 men. He told Truman that his main objective of reunification was no longer possible. US and UN lost the Korean war.
@@silentwatcher1455 Well, How come there’s South Korea. As well as Afghanistan was to take down the Taliban which they did tried to establish a government and the afghanis didn’t want that, so the US and Un
@@silentwatcher1455you’re overestimating that only 36,000 us serviceman were killed
You cannot compare J 20 with F 22. Even Indian air force Sukhoi MKI detected J 20. This statement came from high ranking airforce officer.
They are on training so they have stealth limited last thing you need is for a plane to get friendly fired
Buddy, there are no J20s active around the himalayans, so unless the Indians went to the Chinese east coast, there would be no way that would be achieved. Also EVEN IF the SU30MKI was operating close to the Yunnan airbases, it is still achievable since the J20 operating doctrine states that stealth mode is deactivated in non-combat tension scenarios such as training unless required.
China has never deployed J20s on the Sino-Indian border. How did the Indians discover stealth fighters thousands of kilometers away? Yet another piece of evidence that the Indian Army habitually spreads rumors.
Indian fraud is world-famous, and spreading rumors is your habitual operation.
And, Indian bloggers are known for unreliable information, liar, dishonest with exaggerated statements. Check Indian origin news and websites, notice how they present stories, you'll know it. Very similar to russian or indonesian style. Chinese catch up a lot, better than Indian & russian but still behind American or western counterpart. Don't take Chinese advancement for granted
Nothing can determine the outcome other than the real deal. Hope the Chinese pilots are training hard.
🇺🇸🇦🇷🇮🇱🇧🇷🌍🗿
Probably, but I'm wondering if China would have to ask Russia to send some pilots just in case they don't have enough pilots.
The picture is spectacular
But air combat is not like this.
This is the plot of the movie
I will admit that f-22 will more agility then j-20 in close combat
F 22 raptor is far superior than J 20 in every field not only in dog fight.
En tus videos deberias poner las batallas completas. Acaba el video wn medio de la batalla y unonqueda con la duda al final, eso cae mal
F22 design for long range detection, never this close. but if this is a dog fight, F22 Raptor is the better fighter
Why did everyone wait until they were on top of each other before launching their missiles? This isn't how it would have went down...
who won?
Thanos
No entendi nada, quien gano?
Я что то не понял кто победил, у кого сколько осталось?
I only say one thing and it is simple logic, until less than a decade ago China did not even have the capacity to build an engine powerful enough for the Russian copies of its fourth generation J-11 J-15 models and they had to bring Russian engineers! Who can imagine that overnight they are going to develop technology so sophisticated as to confront an F-22 Raptor? Simply pure sensationalism and subjectivity, not even the Russians who are a little more advanced are still able to match Western technology. It is not an ideological issue, it is an issue of technological maturity.
The radar cross section of a J-20 is the size of a barn compared to the F-22. Okay, it's a video, but do you really believe that the J-20, which have been picked by radars from Japan, Taiwan, Vietnam, and India, can even be mentioned in the same breath? It appears you would believe the computer generated games rather than the real world. Selfdenial is a characteristic of those who come in last place in real world wars.
Counter would have been nice… very confusing.
By the time the J20’s knew the F22’s were there, they’d be exploding.
Although I’m certainly biased as an American, I think there’s a very legitimate case to be made that if this theoretical confrontation took place over open ocean, the F22’s could eliminate most if not all of the J20’s without a single loss. Any J20’s not eliminated with the first volley of missiles at BVR, would be immediately engaged by the 2nd volley of missiles. The J20’s wouldn’t have anything to shoot at for far too long during this battle to survive, let alone mount a solid counter strike. With the most recent iterations of the US missile having a roughly 80% probability of kill, with those numbers projected to be higher when shot from the 5th generation F22, leaves a daunting situation for the J20’s. If you just saw 40 of your colleagues vaporized, I think you’d bug out quick, but it might already be too late. Regardless, I hope we never learn how this scenario would play out in real life. Last thing we want is another damn war, especially with a massive, well funded and technologically ascending China, even if they do lack recent combat experience.
Sir next time tejaz vs jf17 thunder
Way !Autor-only one questions-5th generation Chengdu????What is this?At this moment moment only F22&F35 5 th generation/please not mistificate china people🤔
Chengdu (where it was made) is a city in Sichuan not the name of the J-20 Aircraft...
Your videos need a kill tally to show which side won the engagement.
F 22 has more advantages than Chinese j 20. Stealth warfare don't looks like this, strange video.
usa only have 22 raptors where you pulled out the 50? and fighters only carry 4 AA missiles probably only 3 will hit.
They produced like 85 before they stopped production I think.
F 22 raptor will detect J 20 first due to its superior AESA radar then the game will be over for J 20. J 20s RCS is greater compared to that of F22 and J 20 is not a complete stealth fighter.
还开雷达，j20不开雷达态势感知？谁开雷达谁死
Rafale vs Eurofighter
I can make it that happen
Try 1 iron man vs 50 j20.. or 1 superman vs 50 j20
Or Son Goku vs. entire U.S. Air Force
A WWII dogfight with new age fighters, "not at all how this would pan out"...
American always believe their equipment is the best in the world until it isn’t! 😂.
What a Joke your comment is. Name a battle in the last 50 years that gives any validity to that claim. The Military Investment by the United States is second to none, and it's weaponry shows it. From Tanks, to Fighters to Bombers to Air Craft Carriers. The United States Of America Dominates by a HUGE margin. To deny that is being willfully ignorant.
@@rjd1736Do you even know if F22 has ever shot down any enemy plane? Based on what you claim F22 to be the best fighter jet in the world? Your wild biais fantasy?
Yes I do know the answer to your asinine question, The answer is no it has not shot down an enemy plane, The reason is because no other military has been stupid enough to go up against it, and my claim is hardly wild bias fantasy, It's fact. But your question had nothing to do with my answer to your original post. You can live in your fantasy world as long as you like, but you know as well as everyone else that the American Military is the premier military in the world @@jaaydenhuynh
It shows in that fancy carrier china has more like a tug boat .😄😄😄
@@jhyuuki1 yeah your superior weapons are proven to be inferior on the battlefield in Ukraine!
Si ambos bandos poseían buenos misiles ¿Por qué esperaron estar cara a cara en dogfight en vez de dispararse a cientos de kilómetros atrás?
Pelean como en la 2WW 🤔
J 20 isn't stealth. Besides, they can't target the F22
@user-ii2lm6kg2gRussia also was kicked out of Afghanistan
@user-ii2lm6kg2gRussia lost to The Afghans in the Soviet-Afghan war
ステルスで雲を引くってどうなの？ 有視界戦闘だし。
Hey just curious, with the upcoming Kola map to DCS, could you do a video of the Nordic Nations of NATO vs the Russian Northern Command?
The Russian Federation has
48 MiG-31s deployed close to Sevromorsk;
48 Su-35s at Petrozavodsk;
19 MiG-29Ks also at Sevromorsk; and
18 Su-33s at Sevromorsk.
The Nords have:
31 F-35s from Norway;
4 F-35s + 30 F-16Cs from Denmark;
70 Gripens from Sweden; and
55 F/A-18Cs from Finland
You cannot compare a pigeon (J 20) with Eagle (F 22) it would be unfair.
F22无EOTS，无EODAS，无HMDS,态势感知能力缺失，数据链缺陷导致无完备CEC能力.上一代航电架构和AESA组件，无法适配AIM120D和9X，作战半径小，任务属性单一，这就是军盲眼里的最强
eots光电瞄准，eodas光电分布式孔径系统，eodas头盔显示瞄准系统，cec协同作战系统，aesa有源电子扫描阵列雷达系统
F35头盔太重，传感器信息融合不够，分布式孔径系统性能不足，作战半径短，无法超音速巡航
Strategy for j20
Stay away at killing range of f22 n f35. Good to go
Shoot and Scot.
Zero casualty for j20!
This game is ridiculous cuz the j20 can't keep up with the f22
LOL The Chengdu isn't even vaguely as stealthy as the F22. This is pretty silly.
It's about the Engine nacelles. Look at them (I'm in the business, so I know a bit). The Chengdu has exposed conventional circular thrust venturis on the engine. The reason both F22 and F35 don't is to prevent radar emissions. The F22 is faceted planar and the F35 uses "dogtooth" facets on the engine outlet.
But whatever.
現代空戰在百里外已經犮射空空導彈了. 還等到埋门搏鬥. 笑大人個口了.
This is probably a Chinese military video
Whether it is Chinese military video or not, evenly match . USA nothing to boost although hv more experience. Chinese are smart and they catch up fast.
In the past, USA only encountered weak countries that easily bully.
@@gohseng1733 you forgot tactics and considering the fact that if you want to win wars then you must be stronger than your opponents, your "oh usa only fight weak countries" reasoning is stupid and meme-able
@@burnedbacon3989 right, because grenada TOTALLY had an air force that was on par with the united state's 😂😂😂
@@yuanyuanxi262 thats the point tho, if you want to win your opponents then you have to be stronger than them
@@burnedbacon3989and ur logic of fighting weaker militar y is already meme-able too.
This SIM takes place in Visuyal Range. The 22 would have attacked BVR, before the 20 even knew they were in the vicinity. The SIM didn't account for ANY of the 22's capabilities.
2 things that will render the F22 a complete loser in any aerial encounter between F22 and J20. J20 is now equipped with twin-seat with the pilot in the back seat operating a fleet of UAVs. That latter while increasing the payload of any mission will target all high value airborne targets like AWACs. China has a long range air-to-air PL15 missiles up to 300 KM. And by 2030s, no one will even make the same comparison as the entire fleet of F22 will be phase out then.
No military expert outside of china thinks the j20 out performs or is a better plane than the F22
No way. No match J-20 is not 100% stealth. They don't have the advance technology for radar and rocket guidance like we do. Their maneuverability is questionable.
j-20 all day
j-20, su-57 and su-75 🤬🤜💥😵🤤😴⚰️f-22 and f-35
In a game you can view it that way, but in Irl, the j-20 is made up of reverse engineered/ stole f-22 plans, along with shitty Russian engines. The j-20 is such a bad plane, that can't go anywhere near a f-22 or f-35 without getting blasted out of the air.
As for the su-57, while it's a good dogfighter, it won't be able to see the f-22 missles coming. As for the su 75, it doesn't even exist yet and probably won't ever be made.
@@prussianraptor8536 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣👌cope and seethe pal....America is a dying evil empire and will be gone soon..
that will be gone soon thank god
@@prussianraptor8536 America stole all German tech after ww2 to become a superpower
They are powerful this fighters jets
Why air battle of 5g fighters looks like middle age battle?
I remember when you war simulator/gamers said that the Armata would clear out everything
I'm not a fan of the US military since it is owned and directed by the owners of the Centralized Banking cartel, but this is nothing like how it would happen. First, it would have to be in China, because China cannot reach the US with their fighters or transport the 50 in a short enough time. The US could move 50 F-22's (if they were working) to South Korea.
The F-22's would be getting missile lock on the J-20's early on and take them out in a high rate. The few that survived, if any would not be able to get a missile lock on the F-22's. The F-22's would have continued with second and third salvo and that really would be it. The J-20 that was left would be forced to rely on guns and skill. He is then remembered by his country for his service as another missile from an F-22 removes him from the threat list. The F-22's have not even reached line of sight yet.
The only one that can currently defeat a group of 50 F-22's is the US President and Congress, and they did.
Если кто не знает Алабама это электпомагнитная бомба большой мощности!!!короче один заряд выводит из строя всю электронику в радиусе 30км!!а если залп???ф22 тупо будут падать как сосиски!!!😅😅😅
They are powerful
这两款战机都是远程超视距战机，实战中基本不存在近距离格斗。😂另外，j20作为隐形战机，面对同样是5代战机的f22，不可能会外挂导弹。所以这个视频很不合理。
He just wants f22 to win this game😂
These aircraft would never meet in a real dogfight, all the missiles would be fired from over 200 km.
The fighter jet is only as good as the pilot flying it.
Enter America's 7th Gen top secret...
A transgender 10 year old kid? 😅
...I chance upon your site..are you a comedian?
@user-ii2lm6kg2g you are a funny loser!
cant tell wth is going on
If this were real (and it wouldn't be because f-22's aren't meant for formation engagements) the f-22's would have fired their missiles long before the j20's had any clue where the f-22's were. The j20's wouldn't be alerted to the f-22's until they saw missile trails closing fast. By then, the j20's wouldn't have more than a few seconds to maneuver or fire flares which the flares would likely not break missile lock anyways.
可惜你们的f22不能飞那么远，你们的导弹也打不了那么远，你活在梦里。你们的22连20都看不到，20已经是danhuajia雷达，可你们的雷达还是90年代的。阿富汗都打不过，还想打中国？你们忘了70年前在朝鲜你们十六国军队说怎么被打的狗血淋头的了？