So far for me the only magazine that feeds steel cased 308 reliably is the CSSPECS m14 mag. I would like to see them produce a 20 round mag. As far as looks go, i think 20's look good on traditional stocks and 30's go with pistol grips. Good video!
The cmi 25rd magazines are the only ones who ever came close to being as good. I have a few and they havent failed me yet but the cmi magazines change the game
That may have to be in the works. I don't have a regular upload schedule and just do this as it catches my attention, but I have dedicated a lot of time and effort to these rifles over the course of a little under a decade. There's been a lot of trial and error, but I'm honing in on what I like.
@@andrewrife6253 Thank you for all your efforts, much of what you have done I would like top do with my new standard M1A. I was going to buy a Scout, but had to start with a full length rifle. The next one might be a Scout Squad, idk. Thanks again for your videos, I'm going to check out your earlier m1a vidoes. :)
Thanks for sharing. Traditionally I’m used to the ar platform since it was something familiar when I was in the service. I understand the sentiment tho. I was wondering if you had any knowledge of that prism optic would be compatible with m1a tanker from Springfield? I’m really interested in getting this type of weapon platform. Edit: (thanks in advance)
Cogburn makes some nifty items. Picked upbthe stripper clip guide and extended mag release for the Mini-14 not too long ago. I saw that mount there and was curious about it. You're the first I've seen with it.
How's the eye relief on that PA mounted as such? I Have one on a carry handle rifle love the scope but I keep stock 2 postions shorter then normal. Been thanking of this optic setup for my 7.62 m1
This is amazing! I love the idea of having magnification and still being able to use the stripper clips. Check out the Delta 14 Chassis system for the M1A. Pretty cool.
Hey this is a great video, ive been looking for a video about this mount for more than a year. Can you please cover how it sighted in? I know cogburn says some of the acss features wont work the way primary arms intends
I tried this w a PA 3x microprism and i ran out of elevation while still shooting groups 12" high at only 25 yards. A quick check of different forums show I'm not the only one who has run into this issue. Unfortunately it's a cool piece of kit that doesn't work for some because of an unidentified problem.
I'd like to make a suggestion. The set-up looks nice, but you've taken an option away from yourself that was unnecessary. You took off probably the best aperture sight system made when you didn't have to. There are stripper clip guide adapters that give you a short rail section that would work with the 3x optic you have, without sacrificing your iron sights. I've been armorer for over 22 years along with being a weapons instructor for a bit longer. I know there are a lot of people with the opinion that iron sights are surplus, but everybody that has ever run a gun long enough learns the hard way that they aren't. If your optic gets damaged, your rifle is a brick. For most applications, that's not a big deal, but the deficit created isn't necessary. Your thought process on your overall capability is sound, I'm just asking you to consider returning a permanent sighting option to your rifle. Run the iron sights for a while and you might find that you could get the 5x optic instead for extending your range. For most people, your going to stay minute of man with your irons for a greater distance than you think.
You forgot about eye relief. No way will this optic be usable another two inches forward. Now, a simple aperture backup sight that replaces the stripper clip guide would be a nice addition. The “Greatest irons ever made” argument isn’t relevant. Optics bring capabilities that irons can’t, no matter how good they are. The M1a is obsolescent compared to almost any other .308 battle rifle (even its contemporaries like the FAL and G3) in large degree because mounting optics is such a pain in the ass. This mount provides the correct eye relief and scope height while cutting out weight and bulk of traditional big steel bridge mounts, which makes it a positive for the platform. The M1a’s sights might be kickass on the KD range with black targets on white backgrounds, shot by eagle-eyed 18-year olds. Every other situation needs an optic, and the smaller and lighter the solution the better.
@@CaptainAhorn the M1a being obsolete is a preference, based on specific criteria. I happen to agree as far as design, but I disagree in matters of overall performance. Technically, it's the .308/7.62 nato cartridge that is the limitation. The sights themselves, a rear aperture using a front post is used on every other weapon you listed, just with variations in how they're adjusted. The optic eye box issue is easily solved with minimal effort. You don't have to do any of it. My post was a suggestion to avoid losing a sighting option based on nearly 40 years of using the systems, not a knock on the rifle or the optic.
@@Cmoth040 It’s not a “preference” that it’s a huge pain to mount optics on the M1a, it’s a reality. Nor is it a “preference” that optics are a massive advantage on a rifle. And most M1a optics mounting solutions make an already heavy rifle even heavier. The .308 is a limitation in that, as the Ukraine war is proving once again, the intermediate cartridge was the right decision for the right reasons which are still valid today. This was learned in WW1 but ignored, then re-learned in WW2 and mostly ignored again. That’s really nothing to do with the sight setup. I own an M1a. It’s an historical curiosity. I also own a couple of AR10s and there is literally no comparison between what you can do with them and what you can do with the M1a. The “greatest iron sights ever argument” is a lost cause, and even then the A2 sight is every bit as good. You don’t need Camp Perry sights on a combat rifle, you need simple “A1” backup sights in case the optic goes down or is degraded by conditions. In most other extant battle rifle designs (especially AR10s) you can run backup irons without really interfering with your ability to mount optics or adding excess weight. Not so with the M1a, where the obsolete open-top action requires a heavy and bulky steel bridge mount. Then you run into the M1a’s obsolete drop-stock which doesn’t play well with the very high bridge mount, requiring a cheek riser to make the optic usable, adding yet more cost and weight. So again, if there’s a solution for the M1a that gets an optic into the proper eye relief and height at minimal weight and bulk, that is a positive for the platform. But still, get an AR10. Yes, there is “an easy way” to fulfill these criteria - it’s by replacing the rear sight with an optic mount. There are other mounts out there that replace the rear with a micro RDS, also an advantage and a good reworking of an obsolete design.
This video has me doing a deep dive into the prism optics. A majority of the videos I’m seeing by have the optic mounted on an AR-15. How is the optic holding up on this gun and is it holding zero?
How is your cheek weld in the standing sitting in prone position with that scope mount height? I really like your setup and may try something similar but I don't want to spend too much money and then find out that I can't get a good cheek weld or eye relief only after I've already installed it.
They have a chart on compatibility on their website. It says to use one of the mounting blocks with the scope to make it work. It may sit a little higher, but these are notoriously tall rifles once a traditional scope gets installed.
You could possibly run a scout rail with an offset red dot but this is a pretty old platform to have that level of adaptability. The ar15 kicks the hell out of the m14 in that regard. Im a huge fan of the ar, i just chose the m1a out of preference. Its nothing to do with the stuff most m1a owners like to spout out about, just a love for the rifle.
I tried the cogburn arsenal set up with PA 3x just like yours but the eye relief for me was shit and when I thought about sacrificing either stripper clip feed ir iron sights i decided id rather have the iron sights so i got the rail that mounts where the stripper clips go and put a PA GLX 2x on it. The rail has a "U" type channel that lets you use the irons under the optic.
You guys have to understand this rifle isn't set up for competition it's a purpose built rifle look where he lives irons won't help with what his rifles for
Just ordered the mount. Thanks for the vid.
Am getting a scout squad very soon and this is exactly how I want to set mine up. Thanks a ton for the vid brother
Would love to see some shooting/range footage with this rifle
So far for me the only magazine that feeds steel cased 308 reliably is the CSSPECS m14 mag. I would like to see them produce a 20 round mag. As far as looks go, i think 20's look good on traditional stocks and 30's go with pistol grips. Good video!
The cmi 25rd magazines are the only ones who ever came close to being as good. I have a few and they havent failed me yet but the cmi magazines change the game
Checkmate mags are the best
That's really cool. I love those PA prisms. One question - after a lot of shooting does the glass get dirty from ejection port gas?
Actually, a cylider guide rod DOES tighten groups. I suspect it simply adds consistency to the actual locking of the bolt.
Awesome vid. ! Yeah, it would be great to see videos of all your M1As / M14s. :D
That may have to be in the works. I don't have a regular upload schedule and just do this as it catches my attention, but I have dedicated a lot of time and effort to these rifles over the course of a little under a decade. There's been a lot of trial and error, but I'm honing in on what I like.
@@andrewrife6253 Thank you for all your efforts, much of what you have done I would like top do with my new standard M1A. I was going to buy a Scout, but had to start with a full length rifle. The next one might be a Scout Squad, idk. Thanks again for your videos, I'm going to check out your earlier m1a vidoes. :)
Thanks for sharing. Traditionally I’m used to the ar platform since it was something familiar when I was in the service. I understand the sentiment tho.
I was wondering if you had any knowledge of that prism optic would be compatible with m1a tanker from Springfield? I’m really interested in getting this type of weapon platform.
Edit: (thanks in advance)
Thank you so much for this video and talking about the magazines and all the other things.
Cogburn makes some nifty items. Picked upbthe stripper clip guide and extended mag release for the Mini-14 not too long ago. I saw that mount there and was curious about it. You're the first I've seen with it.
How's the eye relief on that PA mounted as such? I Have one on a carry handle rifle love the scope but I keep stock 2 postions shorter then normal. Been thanking of this optic setup for my 7.62 m1
This is amazing! I love the idea of having magnification and still being able to use the stripper clips. Check out the Delta 14 Chassis system for the M1A. Pretty cool.
I've seen those. I really like them, ive just stuck with the traditional feeling ones out of preference
Thanks for the great video!
Hey this is a great video, ive been looking for a video about this mount for more than a year. Can you please cover how it sighted in? I know cogburn says some of the acss features wont work the way primary arms intends
I tried this w a PA 3x microprism and i ran out of elevation while still shooting groups 12" high at only 25 yards. A quick check of different forums show I'm not the only one who has run into this issue.
Unfortunately it's a cool piece of kit that doesn't work for some because of an unidentified problem.
I'd reach out to the manufacturer. It could be an interface issue with the receiver itself. My mount came with a shim that I didn't need
I'd blame the mount instead of the optic. If it zeros on any other rifle, I'd adjust the mount on the m1a.
I'd like to make a suggestion. The set-up looks nice, but you've taken an option away from yourself that was unnecessary. You took off probably the best aperture sight system made when you didn't have to. There are stripper clip guide adapters that give you a short rail section that would work with the 3x optic you have, without sacrificing your iron sights. I've been armorer for over 22 years along with being a weapons instructor for a bit longer. I know there are a lot of people with the opinion that iron sights are surplus, but everybody that has ever run a gun long enough learns the hard way that they aren't. If your optic gets damaged, your rifle is a brick. For most applications, that's not a big deal, but the deficit created isn't necessary. Your thought process on your overall capability is sound, I'm just asking you to consider returning a permanent sighting option to your rifle. Run the iron sights for a while and you might find that you could get the 5x optic instead for extending your range. For most people, your going to stay minute of man with your irons for a greater distance than you think.
You forgot about eye relief. No way will this optic be usable another two inches forward. Now, a simple aperture backup sight that replaces the stripper clip guide would be a nice addition. The “Greatest irons ever made” argument isn’t relevant. Optics bring capabilities that irons can’t, no matter how good they are. The M1a is obsolescent compared to almost any other .308 battle rifle (even its contemporaries like the FAL and G3) in large degree because mounting optics is such a pain in the ass. This mount provides the correct eye relief and scope height while cutting out weight and bulk of traditional big steel bridge mounts, which makes it a positive for the platform. The M1a’s sights might be kickass on the KD range with black targets on white backgrounds, shot by eagle-eyed 18-year olds. Every other situation needs an optic, and the smaller and lighter the solution the better.
@@CaptainAhorn the M1a being obsolete is a preference, based on specific criteria. I happen to agree as far as design, but I disagree in matters of overall performance. Technically, it's the .308/7.62 nato cartridge that is the limitation. The sights themselves, a rear aperture using a front post is used on every other weapon you listed, just with variations in how they're adjusted. The optic eye box issue is easily solved with minimal effort. You don't have to do any of it. My post was a suggestion to avoid losing a sighting option based on nearly 40 years of using the systems, not a knock on the rifle or the optic.
@@Cmoth040 It’s not a “preference” that it’s a huge pain to mount optics on the M1a, it’s a reality. Nor is it a “preference” that optics are a massive advantage on a rifle. And most M1a optics mounting solutions make an already heavy rifle even heavier.
The .308 is a limitation in that, as the Ukraine war is proving once again, the intermediate cartridge was the right decision for the right reasons which are still valid today. This was learned in WW1 but ignored, then re-learned in WW2 and mostly ignored again. That’s really nothing to do with the sight setup.
I own an M1a. It’s an historical curiosity. I also own a couple of AR10s and there is literally no comparison between what you can do with them and what you can do with the M1a.
The “greatest iron sights ever argument” is a lost cause, and even then the A2 sight is every bit as good. You don’t need Camp Perry sights on a combat rifle, you need simple “A1” backup sights in case the optic goes down or is degraded by conditions.
In most other extant battle rifle designs (especially AR10s) you can run backup irons without really interfering with your ability to mount optics or adding excess weight. Not so with the M1a, where the obsolete open-top action requires a heavy and bulky steel bridge mount.
Then you run into the M1a’s obsolete drop-stock which doesn’t play well with the very high bridge mount, requiring a cheek riser to make the optic usable, adding yet more cost and weight.
So again, if there’s a solution for the M1a that gets an optic into the proper eye relief and height at minimal weight and bulk, that is a positive for the platform. But still, get an AR10.
Yes, there is “an easy way” to fulfill these criteria - it’s by replacing the rear sight with an optic mount. There are other mounts out there that replace the rear with a micro RDS, also an advantage and a good reworking of an obsolete design.
Would that product work on a bm-59?
Were did you get the mags 😊
This video has me doing a deep dive into the prism optics. A majority of the videos I’m seeing by have the optic mounted on an AR-15. How is the optic holding up on this gun and is it holding zero?
I just mounted mine along with the low cantilever spacer. Much better eyebox and I'm right at 2" sight height
Have you had any luck in finding information on the PA prism mount for your M1A you mentioned 6 months ago?
How is your cheek weld in the standing sitting in prone position with that scope mount height? I really like your setup and may try something similar but I don't want to spend too much money and then find out that I can't get a good cheek weld or eye relief only after I've already installed it.
Very nice M1A 👍. If they would extend that mount rearward some it could work with the 5x.
They have a chart on compatibility on their website. It says to use one of the mounting blocks with the scope to make it work. It may sit a little higher, but these are notoriously tall rifles once a traditional scope gets installed.
@andrewrife6253 would like to keep it low as possible
Great video. Keep it up.
Very cool...I wish they would now come up with 45 degree offset backup sights for this type setup...
You could possibly run a scout rail with an offset red dot but this is a pretty old platform to have that level of adaptability. The ar15 kicks the hell out of the m14 in that regard. Im a huge fan of the ar, i just chose the m1a out of preference. Its nothing to do with the stuff most m1a owners like to spout out about, just a love for the rifle.
Oh brush hog I had change the bearings out on one a couple years ago. The guy who ran that thing was an animal.
Do they make it for the mini 14 ? I want to collect every one from the m1 grand to the mini 14 and every member of this rifles family in between
Hey did you have any issues with the PA 5X?
How has the optic held up?
could I commission you to finish a stock like this? If I sent you a USGI fiberglass?
I wish they made a 25 round curved mag..
I tried the cogburn arsenal set up with PA 3x just like yours but the eye relief for me was shit and when I thought about sacrificing either stripper clip feed ir iron sights i decided id rather have the iron sights so i got the rail that mounts where the stripper clips go and put a PA GLX 2x on it. The rail has a "U" type channel that lets you use the irons under the optic.
I had the issue where at only 25 yds it was shooting 12" high while elevation was maxed out. I've seen others state the issue.
The M1A is a boat anchor. I have 3. Still no boat…
Night vision. Yeah sure that would be cool. However with a good pic rail i just want to add off set sights and maybe co-witnessed iron sights.
You lost me at no irons 😮
Same. It's like neutering a rifle.
You guys have to understand this rifle isn't set up for competition it's a purpose built rifle look where he lives irons won't help with what his rifles for
except irons suck, a modern optic is less likely to suffer catastrophic damage than iron sights are