Hit it right on the head. I saw a clip from starrcast I think (possibly where the tongue hanging out clip is from) where Dave was sitting with I think Alvarez n some others n when his friendship with The Dumb Fcks n Olivier was mentioned he got all weird smiley tongue literally waggin out his mouth giggling like a school girl combined with a dog excited food was getting filled in his bowl. It was the weirdest shit I've seen
You saw the face he made when he got his picture taken with the MasseyGill Bunch. In that picture, Dave’s arms are bigger and more jacked than the Cucamonga kids’ and Blandon Cutlet’s entire bodies combined in that photo.
@@ELIJAHNUBOYD na he's the head of the 50+ year old cheerleaders for the tumbling flipping Buckaroos n Kenny Olivier, the gay French Canadian gyrating wrestling artist. That's the only thing uncle Dave is running these days
Jim getting offended by Brian being the bigger heel on the Observer message board was hilarious. How many career arcs exist where being the most hated guy is the pinnacle of achievement? Corny's problem is all of us who grew up hating his @#$, now love his podcast. He's the rare guy who lived long enough to see himself become the hero.
@@emanuelfer456 Bischoff, Cornette and The Archbishop of Talentbury are all in alignment on Meltzer. That may be the only thing in the world those three agree on.
Dave is just a glorified fan and the last 4 years have let him and Tony live out their dreams with their fantasy booking and ratings. So when someone like Jim who lived and breathed the wrestling business, criticizes them, they get defensive and hurt over it 😂😂
Dave has a certain condition, and I'm not shitting on it, because I feel for those who fall on it, but - there's a spectrum. EQ is real, and Dave is like 60 and still doesn't realize he's not one of the boys. He hasn't realized that the "modern wrestlers" realize that financial gain can be had from appealing to his lesser traits, and it's sad. He legit thinks he's giving the deepest cuts in wrestling, when in reality, he's just wasting 30 years of journalism to feel accepted, and like he's somebody that belongs. Spoiler - Kenny isn't the Circ De Solay of wrestling, Collision is growing for a reason, and the public wants to see a cool story we can relate to. Nobody cares about a Tiger Driver 86 with a vintage of Tuesday, but here we are. Autism is real, and a spectrum, and I'm not hating on anybody who falls on said spectrum. But Dave is like 60 and still saying "it's still real to me, damnit" and making Jim into the bogeyman. Calm down, man.
@@actuallynotsteve Dave sounds more like he's saying, "Hello, fellow kids." In contrast to him, I'm 40 & autistic and desperately trying to gain the acceptance of people half my age is the last thing I'd ever want to do with my time, least of all people like the AEW smart marks and the Elite butt buddies. Getting old is unavoidable, we all age out of things sooner or later, I'm experiencing it more and more as the things I've always been into are focusing on younger audience and I'm finding less and less of it appeals to me. Change is much harder for people on the spectrum to deal with but I'm making the concerted effort to navigate those seas as gracefully as I can without ruffling too many feathers, plain old life experience taught me that. Dave must be just one of the "in denial" types.
@@actuallynotsteve _Cirque du Soleil_ is the name that you seek. It means "circus of the sun." As for Meltzer, sorry, I don't buy it. Some people are just arseholes. Yet the world has invented any number of "conditions" to excuse people's awful behaviour. Some people do have problems, and Meltzer's only problem, apart from looking like gargoyle and wanting to be 18 forever, is that he's an arsehole. Of course, you can't make money from medicine, psychiatry and special schools by acknowledging that someone is an arsehole, and often, the only cure for someone being an arsehole is a punch in the face. So, fancy pants doctors make up a whole bunch of crap to keep themselves in business. See: the flu statistically disappearing at the end of 2019 and being replaced by "coronavirus." We just need to admit that Meltzer is an arsehole and move on.
It’s occurred to me that Jim has a bigger following among wrestling fans than Dave does at this point. I think it’s past time the Cult has its own end of year awards.
Dave has always been a social awkward nerd though, he’s never been particularly good at speaking. He’s like if an average Redditor had a following, people expect a bit too much from him really. He’s just a fan.
What happened to Dave is he starting losing all his sources in wrestling. The 1st dagger was CM Punk returning in WWE in Chicago many years ago where he was wrong. Then, it was with Bryan Alverez "I'll tell you off air". Then it was all the UFC content "we gotta talk about Conor" McGregor No matter what happened in the news that day, we gotta talk about "Conor". At the same time, we gotta talk about New Japan. I don't know how many times I heard G1 standings that I didn't care for. Look I understand WWE sucked 2010-2021 (just a rough estimate, don't go at me for a certain year). I understand the content on TV sucked but Dave started going nuts. There were arguments about Daniel Bryan and whether he was over or the "yes" chant. His reporting started getting it wrong more often or often just misreport it and not apologize. Look I understand WWE was changing stuff all the time, but his reporting was getting worse. Bryan was the worst because his "sources" were often wrong so didn't help Dave. Then Dave started to get weird. Saying Bailey has short shelf life on her NXT character when she was brought up to Raw but worded it really bad. Then it's the way he said things about some of the women in WWE. Then the Roman Reigns being out with Leukemia that Dave didn't report very well. Let's not even get started with his Twitter and how he copied Kevin Owens at the time and just kept it since. So Dave being in a bad light, bad reporting and bad sources used Omega and Young Bucks to help him look better. He needed better sources and he needed something to look good because Bischoff and Prichard were bashing him weekly in their podcasts. Dave can't admit when he's wrong. Dave went down this road AEW and he won't change now. He needs those sources.
If Edward R Murrow were here today, the Observer would be shut down for muck raking. I wonder what Molly Meltzer Magoo’s piss poor excuses for his yellow journalism would be.
I love how Dave also latched onto mma when it first started getting big as well…it seemed to me as if he was worried he wouldn’t be considered a “professional” if all he talked about was pro wrestling. You can really tell his appreciation for mma is surface level at best, and just a blatant bandwagon at worst…because there is a big difference in the quality and frequency at which Dave talks about wrestling vs mma. Every year I see the observer awards I’m shocked to remember that they cover mma as well because Dave makes it easy to forget that he’s interested in anything besides fangirling out for superkicks and destroyers.
I don't understand how Dave has such a hard on for The Young Bucks but never gave any of The Hardy Boys matches five stars. All those TLC Matches never got five stars and they were entertaining as hell.
Because the Hardys didn't name a move after him. Not only that, they did it after Meltzer's father died as a tribute, apparently. So, the Bucks have his loyalty forever because of that gesture
the blood and guts match from like last week got 4 and 3/4 stars. I don't think dave could even explain his hard on for the buckaroos and omega anymore.
The tables, ladders and chairs matches are why we are where we are now with wrestling. Attitude Era arseholes will wax nostalgic about the good ol' days of the Hardys and Mick Foley trying to cripple themselves. No different from the shit that you see nowadays. Absolute hypocrisy from so many fans. The Young Bucks suck, but guess what? The Hardys were no better. "The Young Bucks don't look like wrestlers, they're too small!" People said the same thing about the Hardys and even Shawn Michaels in the 1990s and early 2000s. The Hardys were The Bucks of the late 20th century: 64.media.tumblr.com/ac33d932e2ff6c5a50c4c84a9e1c9801/tumblr_p02xhsTjSJ1rg89a6o1_1280.jpg
While the key demo is important, when it was first brought up for AEW, it felt like creating a secondary, winnable competition no one else cared to compete in. Ex. Placing last in a foot race, but harping on the fact that you blinked the least out of all the competitors.
Read the most recent Warner Brothers press release. You'll see so many goalposts that nobody cares about in order to validate their ratings. Only now instead of 4 million viewers, it's 2.5 million for Blood & Guts.
It's all they have, they don't do anything to expand the audience. Anyone else in that position would be trying to get new eyes on the product to grow his audience and do more business.
Let's be fair, they ONLY brought up the "key demo" because NXT beat them in the ratings once, and rather than just admit that they replied "omg but we won the demo, that matters more despite us never mentioning it before at all" Now they even go as far as claiming "well Smackdown might have had 6 times the viewers as us, but we won this very specific demo in this slot here so we really won that night"
When in doubt, move the goalposts. That’s how they can make the claim to have 3 million unique viewers watching their programs every month (for 60 seconds at any point during the show, whether they’re watching commercials or just flipping through).
@@anonymousbo0318great shape might be a bit of a stretch, but one thing that can't be denied by pictures and vids is that Jim looks much healthier than he ever has. He has lost considerable weight, his blood pressure is better, his diet is a little cleaner, and overall his mental health appears to be going well. So although I'm not a medically licensed doctor I still would confidently say that Jim is much better than he ever has been.
I will never get tired of Jim doing everything he can to run his sponsors off and Brian doing everything he can to tell the sponsors that Jim is just joking. "Raycon: So popular it's actively contributing to the moral degradation of the youth of America!" Absolutely hilarious.
Dude, the schtick is WHY their advertisers pay to run their ads here. The promo codes are specifically there to track how frequently Jim's listeners engage with the sponsors. If it wasn't working, they wouldn't still be paying for ad time.
Is it just impossible for anyone on Team Elite, which includes Meltzer, to give accurate descriptions of what happens around them or because of them? It is seriously frightening how delusional that camp and its fans are. The CM Punk stuff was extremely obvious what happened yet those pricks blamed Punk for getting mad at their leaking to Dave. Now, Meltzer claiming that Jim took 100's of shots at him before he took any is so beyond ridiculous it defies logic and reality. I've listened to Jim's podcasts for years and Cornette hadn't taken any actual mean-spirited shots at Dave until he was pissed at Meltzer taking his own shots. Meltzer, Hangman, Omega, the Bucks, the elite fans, and anyone who would pay to be part of a private message board should all grow up and stop either gaslighting people or falling for gaslighters.
No. They need to gaslight and attack because it takes away the sting from legitimate criticism. It's what Amazon, Disney, and Lucasfilm were doing: deliberately fan-baiting. If they were to take responsibility, they'd have to take responsibility for everything they did wrong. Instead, they just gave themselves a pay raise as the ratings stagnate and they lose money from their video game.
100% ^ there's a concerted effort on the part of AEW, Meltzer, and their fans to lie about how awesome everything is to everyone online so that AEW succeeds. Criticism is being a "hater" or a "WWE fan boy." Bad booking only exists in WWE and isn't possible in AEW. AEW is "pure wrestling" even though there's weapons, high spots, and gang fights in almost every match. WWE is "sports entertainment" and AEW isn't, even though it has dinosaurs, kidnappings, attempted murders, teleportation, aliens, Ghostbusters, Space Jam, matches with video game consoles, matches over video game consoles, matches over mom's minivan, beer pong during matches, dance routines during matches, matches with tubs of orange juice, etc. You have to ignore what your senses tell you to get on that train.
Seems like he's pretty duplicitous. He clowns you in public, and his base (that kinda hates you, kinda don't), and is friendly to you in private. I wouldn't trust anyone like that. He's a snob.
This all reminds me of that South Park episode where the kids are into something called tween wave music, and the parents just hear crap. If you remember the episode, Dave is Randy Marsh.
Raycon, contributing to teenage delinquency 😂 To be honest we probably need a little bit more of that because children aren't doing that anymore and it's not having good outcomes. It's almost as if, for thousands of years, being a degenerate for a few years is a vital part of learning how to be an functional adult
I remember that episode. To be clear, that wasn’t Jim just saying it. A fan that happened to be a mental health professional wrote in and brought it up. So it’s not just Jim pulling things out of his ass. There was at least plausible backup for it.
No, he can't be high functioning autistic because people on the spectrum are usually, you know, really good at what they do and not very susceptible to emotional manipulation. Neither of those statements applies to Uncle Dave.
Imagine a tag team in the 80's or 90's wanting to name a move after Meltzer lol. The rest of the locker room would've turned against them and probably beat the fuck out of them for being marks. Now, that type of thing is celebrated. It shows how far the business has fallen. The dirt sheet writers have always been marks for the wrestlers, but now the wrestlers are marks for the dirt sheet writers. It's crazy.
I used to follow Meltzer on Twitter for his history knowledge, but he started talking down to anyone who dared to criticize the Bucks, Omega or AEW. It became tiresome to see every day, had to unfollow him.
My favorite thing about Jim is ask reasonable prices for Merch . I do believe in my heart he honestly loves the business. He wants what’s best for what he loves . I respect him for that where as Dave and Bryan are about the money .
@@iamthedave3 yep it been about the money since the start . Jim did stuff for pennies. His appearance fees and Merch are very cost effective. I know for a fact Dave gets free trips to events free tickets too . Dave a business man their nothing bad about that . But compare Jim and Dave is like apples and oranges. Jim don’t care about money what ppl think and don’t ask for crap .
@@iamthedave3 of course I thinks his fan but their guys who are of the NFL too. Then their sport writers that probably like the game . Then their ex players who all they done since they were kids played the game . I think Dave is a fan but 1st Business man . I think Jim would do it for free just cause he loves it’s . His mom sold tickets Jim’s been at matches since before he was 10 . Also Jim was getting paid in the business since he was 14 . I just look at them different if Jim was about the money he would have took Tony Khan money and be a multi millionaire right now . But because of his love if he can’t do it right he not gonna sell out for the money. I think we both can agree on that . I’m sure Tony Khan would pay Jim 500k they been business or five years so do the math . Plus I believe Tony would take him right now if that what Jim want to do was make money .
It's revealing how fair Cornette and Last are to Dave (and they really are because they have reason enough to fully rake them all over the coals) meanwhile the Wrestling Observer is utterly obsessed with the fact that Cornette and Last won't go along with the modern desecration of the wrestling business agenda
'utterly obsessed' = barely ever mentioning Cornette. I think this is the first time he's mentioned Cornette in months. 'Fair' = multiple 20 minute segments attacking Dave without him ever mentioning Cornette in which they make constant insinuations and insult him regularly, mis-characterise what he says and always interpret everything as negatively as possible even when he says something milquetoast. Interesting use of those words. Not the definitions those words actually have when used in English sentences, but interesting usage, nonetheless.
@@iamthedave3 youre evading my question with a question you already know the answer to. You really seem as big a loser as Meltzer is. Likely on the spectrum as well as ol Meltz is too.. not insinuating that the two are related, of course.
@@iamthedave3 also, he's responding questions sent in by listeners, numbnuts. It's not like him and Last are scouring the Observer board and doing this everytime someone says anything about them or their show.
This clip shows you the difference between Jim and Dave: while Dave is punctuating his endless ruminations over the AEW locker room with shilling for subscriptions like they're the most important thing in the world, Jim is doubling his audience over with laughter with an ad read, and probably selling thousands of Raycon earbuds in the process.
The funniest thing is you can go back and see Corny didnt say anything personal about Dave. The comment he made whenever it was brought up Dave defending the bucks was "weed is legal in California" not sure if Dave took that as an insult or not
I have been listening to the podcast when it was with MLW and Alice was the co-host. What you said is true. That is the worst thing Jim said about Dave, and it was said in a joking way.
With the elite acknowledging him he finally feels like he's part of the business and "one of the boys" Since wrestlers used to want nothing to do with him for so many years. I guess you could argue that wrestlers still want nothing to do with him cause the elite are gymnasts, not wrestlers.
I remember some shitty AEW match in which Dave praised one of the green talent for their "rope work." He will make up reasons to praise these people. If he isn't on the take, you couldn't tell the difference if he was.
You guys hate Orange Cassidy and I like him.. we disagree and yet I love your show and Brian and Jim are a great team. People don’t need to agree on people and things.
Dave Meltzer is taking lessons from Gen Z 'role models' like Young Bucks and Hangman Page who try to cancel people they disagree with. Normal people who disagree just go 'okay then' and just go about their day. Dave couldn't help trashing Corny behind his paywall like a coward, and continually insult Cult of Cornette members when Cornette never charges his podcast listeners a dime
Jim: I don’t know why they say I’m out of touch, I’m not out of touch *proceeds to explain the audience what wireless headphones are like it’s a novelty 😂😂🤷🏽♂️ Gotta love him 😂😂🤦🏽♂️
Jim I commented on the Chuck Taylor fake grenade spot about ten years ago too. I’m convinced Chuckie and a bunch of his friends had accounts at the time defending this stuff as the vitriol I was met with was intolerant and insufferable. Years later I’ve been proved right about the stupidity of it all having a negative impact on the business but TK somehow thought it was a good idea to pay these guys six figures a year when they’ve never drew a dime
Here's the difference between Jim and Dave to put it simply: Jim's been there and done everything while Dave is just in his office typing away at his keyboard and complaining like a kid who didn't get a second dose of ice cream about why people don't like the Young Bucks and Omega. Ole Anderson even put it perfectly too by saying this exact quote: "I was in the wrestling business, you're just one of the people who pretends to be".
You’d think Cornette’s enemies would learn not to mess with him, but then I remembered that AEW wrestlers and flunkies can’t learn. By the way, “you’re supposed to be my friend” that angle was done better by Batista.
He’s got Anorexic Angry Alvarez for that. He’s under the name DarkstarsTorpedoesOfTruth, and he spams “CM JUNK and IMPUNKT WRESTLING” on this and every other wrestling related channel.
I'm sorry, but how bad of an inferiority complex does Dave really have? Does he realize that sniping at those who are more successful than him isn't going to alleviate it, but instead make it worse?
The reason Daves message board is behind a paywall is because He's more likely to have subscribers who agree with his biased opinions. If it was free he'd get a lot more hate, less subscribers and more people would figure out his bs and that makes him uncomfortable. So that's why everyone has to pay for Unke Dave to read your opinion.
I discovered this podcast yesterday and it’s now my favorite podcast, Jim Cornette is amazing and his takes are hilarious and incredible, he needs to be inducted in the HOF just for the work he’s done for wrestling for over 40 years.
The thing is, it has become clear to me reading Dave's twitter wars, that the guy can't stand it when anyone challenges him. He hates it that people might say he is wrong or don't agree with him. Dave thinks being a wrestling "Journalist" (I use that word lightly) means he can do no wrong.
Colin Thomson, is garbage. Who wouldn’t pay Jim for the greatest ad reads ever lol and Brian trying to steer that ad read ship. Love it guys! Keep it going
BEST Sponsor spots on the internet! Reaslly does make you wonder what the owners of the products think when they hear them. I imagine the board room is in hysterics!
Damn...I just love Jim. I've watched wrestling for 40+ years and I'll be forever thankful for podcasts like this. The day ingo deaf will be the day I die 😂. Thanks for the laughs guys!
Does Dave not get that Jim has over 10,000 hours of audio online and of the 100+ he’s talked about Dave if you listen to the first 50 hours of the 100+ he was still complimentary. As a matter a fact, there’s literally a video from 4 years ago on RUclips called “Jim Cornette on Dave Meltzer” and Jim said “I’ve had all I can stands and I can’t stands no more” in which Jim snapped about Dave constantly digging at him.
“…I touch what I like to touch how I like to touch it…and I have the most popular podcast on the goddamn planet…” 😂 I ain’t even a wrestling fan. I just love listening to Corny talk.
It's probably an unfortunate reality of dealing with people who are somewhere on the spectrum, or at the very least, obsessive-compulsive. Every disagreement is a personal attack because what they fear most is rejection. I don't think I'm out of line in drawing that parallel.
I have attached this type of comment to several JCE videos discribing Dave Meltzers bias towards The Young Bucks and Kenny Omega and it needs reoeating here....Dave Meltzer had probably spent his whole career being shunned away by wrestling locker rooms or on a good day being given uninerested responses....and then here cones The Elite all these years later who offer him a seat next to them and a near beer from their cooler....that right there is the main source of Dave Meltzers bias
Brian: Youre not the heel you use to be
Jim: ive been tryin 🥺
Hilarious 😂
OMG the heartbreak in his voice there got me in the feels and laughing at the same time.
He sounded so defeated hahaha
when you want to take the villain aside and ask if everything's ok since his evil plans have been lacking recently.
I was dying when I heard him say I’m trying… that was the most genuinely adorable thing I’ve ever heard Jim say😂
"When you rejected Kenny Omega and The Young Bucks. It wasn't about them. You were rejecting Dave."
Brian put it brilliantly.
Hit it right on the head. I saw a clip from starrcast I think (possibly where the tongue hanging out clip is from) where Dave was sitting with I think Alvarez n some others n when his friendship with The Dumb Fcks n Olivier was mentioned he got all weird smiley tongue literally waggin out his mouth giggling like a school girl combined with a dog excited food was getting filled in his bowl. It was the weirdest shit I've seen
You saw the face he made when he got his picture taken with the MasseyGill Bunch. In that picture, Dave’s arms are bigger and more jacked than the Cucamonga kids’ and Blandon Cutlet’s entire bodies combined in that photo.
@@ELIJAHNUBOYD na he's the head of the 50+ year old cheerleaders for the tumbling flipping Buckaroos n Kenny Olivier, the gay French Canadian gyrating wrestling artist. That's the only thing uncle Dave is running these days
@@nickhughes8179 You like that don't you
Jim getting offended by Brian being the bigger heel on the Observer message board was hilarious. How many career arcs exist where being the most hated guy is the pinnacle of achievement? Corny's problem is all of us who grew up hating his @#$, now love his podcast. He's the rare guy who lived long enough to see himself become the hero.
Jim Cornette was supposed to Die the Villain, but he has lived long enough for him to become the Hero
@@Aburg76 After what Heyman said today. Heel from Hell Jim may return promptly.
@JTUSC2001 wait what? Now we need to know....
To be fair it’s fairly easy to despise Brian.
😂😂😂
Love that Jim is upset he's only hated and not despised
I've been trying. I swear I'm doing my best (in a sad voice)
Telling Jim he's not the heel he used to be is probably the biggest insult you could hurl at him😂
He truly sounded hurt 😂
I'm not sure Jim is hated or disposed! Lol, I'll have you know! I don't know anyone who doesn't like jimmy.
True heel through and through 😂
Brian nails it. Dave cannot bear having his anointments rejected and ridiculed.
Dave trying his hardest to surpass Russo on the hit list lol
Yes and then I can get the Dave Meltzer restraining order and frame it with the Vince Russo one
He'll need a longer run for that title, brother.
Russo and Cornette agree about Dave and modern wrestling though
Awwww y'all mad at Dave's opinions?
@@emanuelfer456 Bischoff, Cornette and The Archbishop of Talentbury are all in alignment on Meltzer. That may be the only thing in the world those three agree on.
Dave is just a glorified fan and the last 4 years have let him and Tony live out their dreams with their fantasy booking and ratings. So when someone like Jim who lived and breathed the wrestling business, criticizes them, they get defensive and hurt over it 😂😂
Dave has a certain condition, and I'm not shitting on it, because I feel for those who fall on it, but - there's a spectrum. EQ is real, and Dave is like 60 and still doesn't realize he's not one of the boys. He hasn't realized that the "modern wrestlers" realize that financial gain can be had from appealing to his lesser traits, and it's sad.
He legit thinks he's giving the deepest cuts in wrestling, when in reality, he's just wasting 30 years of journalism to feel accepted, and like he's somebody that belongs.
Spoiler - Kenny isn't the Circ De Solay of wrestling, Collision is growing for a reason, and the public wants to see a cool story we can relate to. Nobody cares about a Tiger Driver 86 with a vintage of Tuesday, but here we are.
Autism is real, and a spectrum, and I'm not hating on anybody who falls on said spectrum. But Dave is like 60 and still saying "it's still real to me, damnit" and making Jim into the bogeyman.
Calm down, man.
So much truth here pal!
@@actuallynotsteve Dave sounds more like he's saying, "Hello, fellow kids."
In contrast to him, I'm 40 & autistic and desperately trying to gain the acceptance of people half my age is the last thing I'd ever want to do with my time, least of all people like the AEW smart marks and the Elite butt buddies.
Getting old is unavoidable, we all age out of things sooner or later, I'm experiencing it more and more as the things I've always been into are focusing on younger audience and I'm finding less and less of it appeals to me.
Change is much harder for people on the spectrum to deal with but I'm making the concerted effort to navigate those seas as gracefully as I can without ruffling too many feathers, plain old life experience taught me that. Dave must be just one of the "in denial" types.
But wheres the lies ? 🤔😂🤣💀💯
@@actuallynotsteve _Cirque du Soleil_ is the name that you seek. It means "circus of the sun."
As for Meltzer, sorry, I don't buy it. Some people are just arseholes. Yet the world has invented any number of "conditions" to excuse people's awful behaviour. Some people do have problems, and Meltzer's only problem, apart from looking like gargoyle and wanting to be 18 forever, is that he's an arsehole.
Of course, you can't make money from medicine, psychiatry and special schools by acknowledging that someone is an arsehole, and often, the only cure for someone being an arsehole is a punch in the face. So, fancy pants doctors make up a whole bunch of crap to keep themselves in business.
See: the flu statistically disappearing at the end of 2019 and being replaced by "coronavirus."
We just need to admit that Meltzer is an arsehole and move on.
It’s occurred to me that Jim has a bigger following among wrestling fans than Dave does at this point. I think it’s past time the Cult has its own end of year awards.
The Corny's
LOL not even close bro Meltzer is the gold standard
@@MarshallHendrix-nx2gg Gold standard of shit you delusional mark
@@MarshallHendrix-nx2gg There are facts and statistics to prove you wrong.
@MarshallHendrix-nx2gg 😂 Imagine being this pathetic. Get help, little guy.
Every Meltzer quote ever: I mean, you know,
I mean, you know, I mean, you know...
Ummm...yeah. That's about it. Yeah. Umm
Jim has been there and done that while Dave Meltdown sits behind a keyboard and hands out stars to his favorite wrestlers
And struggles to form coherent sentences or convey his thoughts with words like uh like uh I mean I mean Uh I guess it's like uh 😂😂😂😂😂😂
@@huffmanelitetrainingIf I had a dollar for every time...
@@jarethlarwood6445you could afford a year's supply of gas ⛽️ in your vehicle even in this economy 😆 🤣 😂 😹
Dave has always been a social awkward nerd though, he’s never been particularly good at speaking. He’s like if an average Redditor had a following, people expect a bit too much from him really. He’s just a fan.
@@huffmanelitetraining “s-s-so-s-so-so-so-S-so the thing is..”
What happened to Dave is he starting losing all his sources in wrestling. The 1st dagger was CM Punk returning in WWE in Chicago many years ago where he was wrong. Then, it was with Bryan Alverez "I'll tell you off air". Then it was all the UFC content "we gotta talk about Conor" McGregor No matter what happened in the news that day, we gotta talk about "Conor". At the same time, we gotta talk about New Japan. I don't know how many times I heard G1 standings that I didn't care for.
Look I understand WWE sucked 2010-2021 (just a rough estimate, don't go at me for a certain year). I understand the content on TV sucked but Dave started going nuts. There were arguments about Daniel Bryan and whether he was over or the "yes" chant. His reporting started getting it wrong more often or often just misreport it and not apologize. Look I understand WWE was changing stuff all the time, but his reporting was getting worse. Bryan was the worst because his "sources" were often wrong so didn't help Dave.
Then Dave started to get weird. Saying Bailey has short shelf life on her NXT character when she was brought up to Raw but worded it really bad. Then it's the way he said things about some of the women in WWE. Then the Roman Reigns being out with Leukemia that Dave didn't report very well.
Let's not even get started with his Twitter and how he copied Kevin Owens at the time and just kept it since.
So Dave being in a bad light, bad reporting and bad sources used Omega and Young Bucks to help him look better. He needed better sources and he needed something to look good because Bischoff and Prichard were bashing him weekly in their podcasts.
Dave can't admit when he's wrong. Dave went down this road AEW and he won't change now. He needs those sources.
Perfectly said
The Observer was always a glorified PWTorch to begin with. More like Perez Hilton than Ed Murrow.
If Edward R Murrow were here today, the Observer would be shut down for muck raking. I wonder what Molly Meltzer Magoo’s piss poor excuses for his yellow journalism would be.
I listened to both Wrestling Observer Radio and Jim Cornette in the 2010s. Jim's description of what happened here is 100% accurate.
Dave's claim to fame is to be a fan with a blog before it was common.
Exactly.
A 50 year old newsletter.
I love how Dave also latched onto mma when it first started getting big as well…it seemed to me as if he was worried he wouldn’t be considered a “professional” if all he talked about was pro wrestling. You can really tell his appreciation for mma is surface level at best, and just a blatant bandwagon at worst…because there is a big difference in the quality and frequency at which Dave talks about wrestling vs mma. Every year I see the observer awards I’m shocked to remember that they cover mma as well because Dave makes it easy to forget that he’s interested in anything besides fangirling out for superkicks and destroyers.
I don't understand how Dave has such a hard on for The Young Bucks but never gave any of The Hardy Boys matches five stars. All those TLC Matches never got five stars and they were entertaining as hell.
Because the Hardys didn't name a move after him. Not only that, they did it after Meltzer's father died as a tribute, apparently. So, the Bucks have his loyalty forever because of that gesture
@@boosterkidrg I actually had no idea that that is why they named their move that.
the blood and guts match from like last week got 4 and 3/4 stars. I don't think dave could even explain his hard on for the buckaroos and omega anymore.
The tables, ladders and chairs matches are why we are where we are now with wrestling.
Attitude Era arseholes will wax nostalgic about the good ol' days of the Hardys and Mick Foley trying to cripple themselves. No different from the shit that you see nowadays. Absolute hypocrisy from so many fans.
The Young Bucks suck, but guess what? The Hardys were no better.
"The Young Bucks don't look like wrestlers, they're too small!"
People said the same thing about the Hardys and even Shawn Michaels in the 1990s and early 2000s.
The Hardys were The Bucks of the late 20th century:
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@@Bunterinobut it's the same as 5*! No debate! :D
That segue into the Raycon ad was flawless, Jim!
While the key demo is important, when it was first brought up for AEW, it felt like creating a secondary, winnable competition no one else cared to compete in.
Ex. Placing last in a foot race, but harping on the fact that you blinked the least out of all the competitors.
Read the most recent Warner Brothers press release. You'll see so many goalposts that nobody cares about in order to validate their ratings. Only now instead of 4 million viewers, it's 2.5 million for Blood & Guts.
The key demo only matters if you've got enough total viewers to matter.
It's all they have, they don't do anything to expand the audience. Anyone else in that position would be trying to get new eyes on the product to grow his audience and do more business.
Let's be fair, they ONLY brought up the "key demo" because NXT beat them in the ratings once, and rather than just admit that they replied "omg but we won the demo, that matters more despite us never mentioning it before at all"
Now they even go as far as claiming "well Smackdown might have had 6 times the viewers as us, but we won this very specific demo in this slot here so we really won that night"
When in doubt, move the goalposts. That’s how they can make the claim to have 3 million unique viewers watching their programs every month (for 60 seconds at any point during the show, whether they’re watching commercials or just flipping through).
We getting a meltzer and Russo videos in the same week jim spoiling us😭
And Colin Thomson ones too
@@glydoughnut9432haha I hope Cornette blood pressure don’t rise i know he is in great shape
@@glydoughnut9432 just think guys, today is only Tuesday 😂🤣
@@pleaseshutup7053😂 Is he now?
@@anonymousbo0318great shape might be a bit of a stretch, but one thing that can't be denied by pictures and vids is that Jim looks much healthier than he ever has. He has lost considerable weight, his blood pressure is better, his diet is a little cleaner, and overall his mental health appears to be going well. So although I'm not a medically licensed doctor I still would confidently say that Jim is much better than he ever has been.
I will never get tired of Jim doing everything he can to run his sponsors off and Brian doing everything he can to tell the sponsors that Jim is just joking. "Raycon: So popular it's actively contributing to the moral degradation of the youth of America!" Absolutely hilarious.
Dude, the schtick is WHY their advertisers pay to run their ads here. The promo codes are specifically there to track how frequently Jim's listeners engage with the sponsors. If it wasn't working, they wouldn't still be paying for ad time.
I fucking LOVE the ads on this podcast. Legit my favorite part somedays
Is it just impossible for anyone on Team Elite, which includes Meltzer, to give accurate descriptions of what happens around them or because of them? It is seriously frightening how delusional that camp and its fans are. The CM Punk stuff was extremely obvious what happened yet those pricks blamed Punk for getting mad at their leaking to Dave. Now, Meltzer claiming that Jim took 100's of shots at him before he took any is so beyond ridiculous it defies logic and reality. I've listened to Jim's podcasts for years and Cornette hadn't taken any actual mean-spirited shots at Dave until he was pissed at Meltzer taking his own shots.
Meltzer, Hangman, Omega, the Bucks, the elite fans, and anyone who would pay to be part of a private message board should all grow up and stop either gaslighting people or falling for gaslighters.
No. They need to gaslight and attack because it takes away the sting from legitimate criticism. It's what Amazon, Disney, and Lucasfilm were doing: deliberately fan-baiting. If they were to take responsibility, they'd have to take responsibility for everything they did wrong. Instead, they just gave themselves a pay raise as the ratings stagnate and they lose money from their video game.
That's exactly how the internet works though, it allows psychos to congregate in groups anonymously and push narratives.
100% ^ there's a concerted effort on the part of AEW, Meltzer, and their fans to lie about how awesome everything is to everyone online so that AEW succeeds. Criticism is being a "hater" or a "WWE fan boy." Bad booking only exists in WWE and isn't possible in AEW. AEW is "pure wrestling" even though there's weapons, high spots, and gang fights in almost every match. WWE is "sports entertainment" and AEW isn't, even though it has dinosaurs, kidnappings, attempted murders, teleportation, aliens, Ghostbusters, Space Jam, matches with video game consoles, matches over video game consoles, matches over mom's minivan, beer pong during matches, dance routines during matches, matches with tubs of orange juice, etc. You have to ignore what your senses tell you to get on that train.
@@darkstars-torpedoes-of-truth Who demanded their own show?
We found a fanboy without even trying 😂
Yet another amazing ad read from Jim and Brian, genuinely crying from laughter. Just ridiculous funny shit, never change you two 🤣🤣🤣
Seems like he's pretty duplicitous. He clowns you in public, and his base (that kinda hates you, kinda don't), and is friendly to you in private. I wouldn't trust anyone like that. He's a snob.
This all reminds me of that South Park episode where the kids are into something called tween wave music, and the parents just hear crap. If you remember the episode, Dave is Randy Marsh.
Great analogy 😂😂😂
The earbuds skit woke me up laughing ,my god never change you two
You can't see em when they're in your head!
Raycon, contributing to teenage delinquency 😂
To be honest we probably need a little bit more of that because children aren't doing that anymore and it's not having good outcomes. It's almost as if, for thousands of years, being a degenerate for a few years is a vital part of learning how to be an functional adult
The time that Jim basically exposed that Dave is autistic was quite eye-opening. It made perfect sense. I 100% believe it's true.
I remember that episode. To be clear, that wasn’t Jim just saying it. A fan that happened to be a mental health professional wrote in and brought it up. So it’s not just Jim pulling things out of his ass. There was at least plausible backup for it.
It explains so much. He’s so clearly autistic
Dave Meltzer is autistic?
No, he can't be high functioning autistic because people on the spectrum are usually, you know, really good at what they do and not very susceptible to emotional manipulation. Neither of those statements applies to Uncle Dave.
@matthewhoober4744 it actually does. You just dislike him.
I'm sure The Middle-Age Bucks naming a move after Dave didn't hurt any.
Imagine a tag team in the 80's or 90's wanting to name a move after Meltzer lol. The rest of the locker room would've turned against them and probably beat the fuck out of them for being marks. Now, that type of thing is celebrated. It shows how far the business has fallen. The dirt sheet writers have always been marks for the wrestlers, but now the wrestlers are marks for the dirt sheet writers. It's crazy.
@@robertm.3520 I agree
The middle age cucks
DM pulling the old "you can't dump me, I dump you first", lol, hilarious.
I used to follow Meltzer on Twitter for his history knowledge, but he started talking down to anyone who dared to criticize the Bucks, Omega or AEW. It became tiresome to see every day, had to unfollow him.
My favorite thing about Jim is ask reasonable prices for Merch . I do believe in my heart he honestly loves the business. He wants what’s best for what he loves . I respect him for that where as Dave and Bryan are about the money .
You think Dave has dedicated his literal entire life to pro wrestling... and he doesn't love wrestling?
@@iamthedave3nope. he just loves D riding the bucks
@@iamthedave3 yep it been about the money since the start . Jim did stuff for pennies. His appearance fees and Merch are very cost effective. I know for a fact Dave gets free trips to events free tickets too . Dave a business man their nothing bad about that . But compare Jim and Dave is like apples and oranges. Jim don’t care about money what ppl think and don’t ask for crap .
@@samowens3 So you think Dave doesn't care at all about wrestling? Doesn't love it one bit?
@@iamthedave3 of course I thinks his fan but their guys who are of the NFL too. Then their sport writers that probably like the game . Then their ex players who all they done since they were kids played the game . I think Dave is a fan but 1st Business man . I think Jim would do it for free just cause he loves it’s . His mom sold tickets Jim’s been at matches since before he was 10 . Also Jim was getting paid in the business since he was 14 . I just look at them different if Jim was about the money he would have took Tony Khan money and be a multi millionaire right now . But because of his love if he can’t do it right he not gonna sell out for the money. I think we both can agree on that . I’m sure Tony Khan would pay Jim 500k they been business or five years so do the math . Plus I believe Tony would take him right now if that what Jim want to do was make money .
Maybe Uncle Dave got a concussion from hitting his head on Olivier and Cucamonga Kid's ass
He got a concussion from all those giant towers of paper in his office falling on him.
I wish I could get a grumpy old men movie with Jim Cornette and Dave Meltzer
And Vince Russo lol that be funny
It's revealing how fair Cornette and Last are to Dave (and they really are because they have reason enough to fully rake them all over the coals) meanwhile the Wrestling Observer is utterly obsessed with the fact that Cornette and Last won't go along with the modern desecration of the wrestling business agenda
'utterly obsessed' = barely ever mentioning Cornette. I think this is the first time he's mentioned Cornette in months.
'Fair' = multiple 20 minute segments attacking Dave without him ever mentioning Cornette in which they make constant insinuations and insult him regularly, mis-characterise what he says and always interpret everything as negatively as possible even when he says something milquetoast.
Interesting use of those words. Not the definitions those words actually have when used in English sentences, but interesting usage, nonetheless.
@@iamthedave3 what deluded world do you live in and what does one have to go through to get there?
@@justint8635 Can you name two occasions this year when Dave has gone on a 20 minute rant about Jim Cornette?
@@iamthedave3 youre evading my question with a question you already know the answer to. You really seem as big a loser as Meltzer is. Likely on the spectrum as well as ol Meltz is too.. not insinuating that the two are related, of course.
@@iamthedave3 also, he's responding questions sent in by listeners, numbnuts. It's not like him and Last are scouring the Observer board and doing this everytime someone says anything about them or their show.
This clip shows you the difference between Jim and Dave: while Dave is punctuating his endless ruminations over the AEW locker room with shilling for subscriptions like they're the most important thing in the world, Jim is doubling his audience over with laughter with an ad read, and probably selling thousands of Raycon earbuds in the process.
Dave walking up to The Young Bucks,
"Hello, fellow teens!"
😂 the ad read… I can’t breathe…….🤘🤣 FFS magnificent needs to win an award.
Dave can never be taken seriously since he's never given Kurt Angle a 5-star match.
Their ad reads are the absolute best. I love listening to them *looks at page “with my new raycon earbuds after my medical procedure”
The funniest thing is you can go back and see Corny didnt say anything personal about Dave. The comment he made whenever it was brought up Dave defending the bucks was "weed is legal in California" not sure if Dave took that as an insult or not
I have been listening to the podcast when it was with MLW and Alice was the co-host. What you said is true. That is the worst thing Jim said about Dave, and it was said in a joking way.
With the elite acknowledging him he finally feels like he's part of the business and "one of the boys" Since wrestlers used to want nothing to do with him for so many years. I guess you could argue that wrestlers still want nothing to do with him cause the elite are gymnasts, not wrestlers.
I hope Jim watches Melo vs. Dragunov from NXT Great American Bash. What a match it was!
Just wish it wasn't on NXT, Booker T is unbearable on commentary, so had to watch it on mute
@@z216ghost No shucky ducky quack quack? 😂
@@z216ghosthe's better than Excalibur and the British guy from RAW 😂
@@SigmaWolff wade barret? Isn’t he on smackdown? Or are you talking about someone else?
@@robertnapier624 he's a new announcer on RAW this guy is straight dumpster water ahhahaha much like AEW itself, I'm not talking about Wade sir!
The advertisement at the end was one of the funniest things I have heard on the show!😂
Only Jim can take an ad and make it a whole segment 😂
“I been trying” poor Jim sounded so genuine then 😂
Jim mixing up toggle with twerking has me in tears lol
love it when jim gets dragged into a new beef !
the absolute state of wrestling when the most interesting feuds aren't on television
@@miloballs2010 been that way for 15 years
Jims a goat.. 20 mins online and already 3k views... very popular
rather listen to a free podcast then pay for a fucking message board
I remember some shitty AEW match in which Dave praised one of the green talent for their "rope work." He will make up reasons to praise these people. If he isn't on the take, you couldn't tell the difference if he was.
The Raycon ad was so f'n entertaining! 🤣🤣🤣
The best commercials in podcasting history. Kast media, ya done effed up.
You guys hate Orange Cassidy and I like him.. we disagree and yet I love your show and Brian and Jim are a great team. People don’t need to agree on people and things.
Dave Meltzer is taking lessons from Gen Z 'role models' like Young Bucks and Hangman Page who try to cancel people they disagree with. Normal people who disagree just go 'okay then' and just go about their day. Dave couldn't help trashing Corny behind his paywall like a coward, and continually insult Cult of Cornette members when Cornette never charges his podcast listeners a dime
@@wombatgirl997 Orange looks like an average Joe.
Orange Cassidy looks like Simple Jack from Tropic Thunder.
The thumbnail... JESUS CHRIST🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣💀💀💀👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾
Trying to listen to Meltzer speak is pure torture. He sounds like a guy who never got out of special education class.
He sound like someone who never _had_ an education.
But I uh ya uh think uh realisticallyyyyyyyy I uh
Cornette has the best Ad reads I’ve ever heard lately
The cartoon of Dave with his tongue out never gets old 😂😂 , everytime I see uncle Dave on one of these animated pics I pop hard 😂😅
Love this !!
Jim: I don’t know why they say I’m out of touch, I’m not out of touch
*proceeds to explain the audience what wireless headphones are like it’s a novelty 😂😂🤷🏽♂️
Gotta love him 😂😂🤦🏽♂️
The Bucks really put the mouth to Dave once Dave's Dad died. Then also naming moves after Dave and Dave's Das really made him hard.
Dave really is a glorified aew mark lol
I read the title and thought RUclips was recommending old vids. But nah meltz keeps f*ckin up!
The Raycon sponsorship promo might be the greatest thing I’ve ever had the privilege of listening to.
Loved the Raycon ad read 😂
“I’m still working on bending that spoon” 😳Jesus Corny. Don’t let Dave force you back on the train. And who knew Sprite Zero was a gateway anyway.
Dave is obsessed with Jim. Can’t keep his name out of his mouth.
It's self-preservation. Little guy knows more people will pay attention to him if he talks about Jim, because people pay attention to the old man
Jim I commented on the Chuck Taylor fake grenade spot about ten years ago too. I’m convinced Chuckie and a bunch of his friends had accounts at the time defending this stuff as the vitriol I was met with was intolerant and insufferable. Years later I’ve been proved right about the stupidity of it all having a negative impact on the business but TK somehow thought it was a good idea to pay these guys six figures a year when they’ve never drew a dime
Here's the difference between Jim and Dave to put it simply: Jim's been there and done everything while Dave is just in his office typing away at his keyboard and complaining like a kid who didn't get a second dose of ice cream about why people don't like the Young Bucks and Omega. Ole Anderson even put it perfectly too by saying this exact quote: "I was in the wrestling business, you're just one of the people who pretends to be".
You’d think Cornette’s enemies would learn not to mess with him, but then I remembered that AEW wrestlers and flunkies can’t learn.
By the way, “you’re supposed to be my friend” that angle was done better by Batista.
I think it was x-pac who warned if you mess with Jim cornette, he’ll destroy you with words.
That promo is still terrifying
So i just read a bleacher report article about this week's wrestling rumours and the author refers to Meltzer as a "respected wrestling historian"
Dave Meltzer can't say anything about CM Punk now so he goes after Jim again. The funniest part is , did he even manage to form a full sentence even?
He’s got Anorexic Angry Alvarez for that. He’s under the name DarkstarsTorpedoesOfTruth, and he spams “CM JUNK and IMPUNKT WRESTLING” on this and every other wrestling related channel.
Best headphone ad ever 😂
I'm sorry, but how bad of an inferiority complex does Dave really have?
Does he realize that sniping at those who are more successful than him isn't going to alleviate it, but instead make it worse?
Raycon ad was phenomenal. Best ad for any product ever
The reason Daves message board is behind a paywall is because He's more likely to have subscribers who agree with his biased opinions. If it was free he'd get a lot more hate, less subscribers and more people would figure out his bs and that makes him uncomfortable. So that's why everyone has to pay for Unke Dave to read your opinion.
Dave got concussions from Kenny's nuts bouncing off his face. 😂😂
I discovered this podcast yesterday and it’s now my favorite podcast, Jim Cornette is amazing and his takes are hilarious and incredible, he needs to be inducted in the HOF just for the work he’s done for wrestling for over 40 years.
The thing is, it has become clear to me reading Dave's twitter wars, that the guy can't stand it when anyone challenges him. He hates it that people might say he is wrong or don't agree with him. Dave thinks being a wrestling "Journalist" (I use that word lightly) means he can do no wrong.
Repeating a previous comment I made.... Dave Meltzer may be the only person in history to get CTE from taking bumps on Twitter (X) ....
Best ad reads ever.
I used to wonder why people like Jim so much and the more and more I listen to him, the more I get why lmao
Holy shit? Non wired wireless headphones!? This is the future
There's definitely a crossover with the point in which Jim soured on Jericho and Meltzer going nuts.
I seem to remember Jake the Snake calling Jericho “Jeriblo”…
The advert for Raycon earbuds was the best part of that whole episode
Colin Thomson, is garbage. Who wouldn’t pay Jim for the greatest ad reads ever lol and Brian trying to steer that ad read ship. Love it guys! Keep it going
BEST Sponsor spots on the internet! Reaslly does make you wonder what the owners of the products think when they hear them. I imagine the board room is in hysterics!
He can't stand when people criticize what he loves, especially when they're right.
Damn...I just love Jim. I've watched wrestling for 40+ years and I'll be forever thankful for podcasts like this. The day ingo deaf will be the day I die 😂. Thanks for the laughs guys!
The plug for raycons was great! I've never even read the observer listen to Jim and Brian all the time!!
Dave just needs to stop mentioning Jim cornette every chance he gets
It’s the only way he gets attention.
@@TheZom1965 that or sucking the Elite off are the only two ways he gets attention
He can't just like Tony obsession with WWE also
“I’ve been trying”😂 3:01
Raycon paid for this?!?! 🤣🤣🤣😭
Does Dave not get that Jim has over 10,000 hours of audio online and of the 100+ he’s talked about Dave if you listen to the first 50 hours of the 100+ he was still complimentary. As a matter a fact, there’s literally a video from 4 years ago on RUclips called “Jim Cornette on Dave Meltzer” and Jim said “I’ve had all I can stands and I can’t stands no more” in which Jim snapped about Dave constantly digging at him.
Dave is either too mentally deficient to understand now or (more likely) does, deep down, but would rather die than admit it
Uncle Meltzer has never done it just been a fan at home giving his opinion let’s not forget that
“…I touch what I like to touch how I like to touch it…and I have the most popular podcast on the goddamn planet…” 😂 I ain’t even a wrestling fan. I just love listening to Corny talk.
It's probably an unfortunate reality of dealing with people who are somewhere on the spectrum, or at the very least, obsessive-compulsive. Every disagreement is a personal attack because what they fear most is rejection. I don't think I'm out of line in drawing that parallel.
Both Dave and Jim are hella neurospicy.
(PS: I am Autistic, game recognise game 😅😅)
Meltzer says I’m in the key demo
that raycon ad was the greatest few minutes i’ve ever got to hear
Jed didnt hit Jethro...he wasnt that tempermental. Granny...on the other hand...
"Fetch a hickory stick!"
I have attached this type of comment to several JCE videos discribing Dave Meltzers bias towards The Young Bucks and Kenny Omega and it needs reoeating here....Dave Meltzer had probably spent his whole career being shunned away by wrestling locker rooms or on a good day being given uninerested responses....and then here cones The Elite all these years later who offer him a seat next to them and a near beer from their cooler....that right there is the main source of Dave Meltzers bias
Metlzer is just happy he is involved with a company. He burnt bridges in WWE
7:35 Meltzer gave this ⭐⭐⭐⭐⭐
Only Jim can make listening to an ad read entertaining by pretending to be clueless lol. Clearly he's learned from working in TV
That was an amazing raycon ad Jim