CLUTCH: Organic vs. Kevlar vs. Metal vs. Multi Plate CLUTCHES - in-depth COMPARISON

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  • Опубликовано: 28 янв 2025

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  • @d4a
    @d4a  3 года назад +14

    All MRP clutch kits: www.mrpltd.co.nz/product-category/clutch-kits/
    MRP Twin plates: www.mrpltd.co.nz/product-category/twinplate-clutch-kits/
    My kit in this video: www.mrpltd.co.nz/product/4agze-16v-20v-heavy-duty-clutch/
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    • @hunterbott3708
      @hunterbott3708 3 года назад

      have you heard of carbon clutch. im looking at a clutch for a 17 mustang and saw carbon. thoughts

  • @guidoheeling1179
    @guidoheeling1179 3 года назад +346

    Kevlar is actually a trademark name as kevlar is just a brand. The actual material is called aramid fibre! There are multiple companies making this stuff

    • @raymondj8768
      @raymondj8768 3 года назад +12

      BRAVO MY DUDE !

    • @nerd1000ify
      @nerd1000ify 3 года назад +28

      Para aramid to be specific. There are also meta aramid fibers such as 'Nomex' which have lower strength but excellent heat resistance.

    • @guidoheeling1179
      @guidoheeling1179 3 года назад +2

      @@nerd1000ify okay, it depends on how you translate it to englisch ofcourse haha

    • @official_commanderhale965
      @official_commanderhale965 3 года назад +7

      So just like the use of the term "Velcro" which is also a brand.

    • @guidoheeling1179
      @guidoheeling1179 3 года назад +7

      @@official_commanderhale965 totally correct, but the only language where that really happens is in englisch, in case of the velcro then

  • @prometheanhealing3942
    @prometheanhealing3942 3 года назад +131

    "I caught you slipping, fool.."
    "Get a grip.."
    "In the clutches of the enemy.."

  • @deusexaethera
    @deusexaethera 3 года назад +100

    This man produces some of the most informative and easy-to-understand car-tech videos on the internet. It's not just that he answers questions people have, it's that he's good at explaining aspects of each concept in the correct order for best comprehension.

  • @sivaramireddysarimella2301
    @sivaramireddysarimella2301 3 года назад +111

    Best mechanical channel ❤️

    • @watomb
      @watomb 3 года назад +1

      Great video, had a neighbor kid install a race(metal) clutch and it lasted only a couple months in an everyday driving application. What a waste the kid would not listen. He wasted so much money. Nice thing he owned up to the mistake and installed a street clutch that lasted several years now.

    • @i.b.9946
      @i.b.9946 3 года назад

      Yes, literally one of my favourite channels on youtube, here I've learned so much about how cars function!

    • @griszaowniuk5775
      @griszaowniuk5775 3 года назад +1

      I was about to write the same thing. Finally I feel less like idiot - the biggest art is to explain so that everyone will understand. I belive that channel has accomplish that.

  • @ConquerDriving
    @ConquerDriving 3 года назад +190

    Very well explained and thank you for including the downsides. When modifying cars I find people tend to mention the pros but not the cons of a product. I didn't know you could get multi-plate clutch conversions, that's new to me. I don't like using the word upgrade for such things as they are also a downgrade in many ways, they're more of an alternative.

    • @d4a
      @d4a  3 года назад +102

      I get your point and a few people commented about the upgrade wording already. However, it is an upgrade and not an alternative when you're increasing power and torque. It's an upgrade because it's getting you what you need at the price of something that's less relevant in relation to the end goal of a significantly modified vehicle. A bulletproof vest is definitely an upgrade from a t-shirt when you're trying not to get killed. Yes, it's heavier than a t-shirt but that's irrelevant in respect to your goal and a very small price to pay 😊 a weird example but you get the point

    • @DStead2239
      @DStead2239 3 года назад +5

      Yes, there are downsides but there are exceptions also. clutch choice is very difficult and good ones can be very expensive.
      Just because you have a twin plate doesn't necessarily mean it's always less drivable, chatters or is heavy under foot.
      In my instance (2.4L stroker motor in a evo TME) the stock clutch is very light, so a little extra pedal feel makes it easier to predict clutch take up, still being a sprung centre means it doesn't bang on engagement and the right friction compounds plus double the amount of friction material means it's relatively easy to drive albeit able to cope with more torque
      (739nm on run in tune, low boost).. My wife can drive it, and in traffic with little fuss.
      I was lucky, I got my clutch for free, my brother was the sales rep and they used my car as a test bed to make a capable but user friendly clutch.

    • @devonstrickland5640
      @devonstrickland5640 3 года назад +1

      @@DStead2239 Slightly off topic, but beautiful car man!

    • @DStead2239
      @DStead2239 3 года назад

      @@devonstrickland5640 Cheers man. Did you see it in my car video's? lol

    • @devonstrickland5640
      @devonstrickland5640 3 года назад +1

      @@DStead2239 Yeah I did, always had a soft spot for Evos

  • @andersemanuel
    @andersemanuel 2 года назад +5

    You are so easy to listen to. Well-articulated, not mumbling and no hum, well, ehh sounds while talking. This is unique. I have learned so much. I am surprised there is no way of sponsoring your channel directly.

    • @d4a
      @d4a  2 года назад

      I think there's super thanks somewhere to click on ☺️

  • @lorriecarrel9962
    @lorriecarrel9962 3 года назад +18

    Man you are seriously good at what your doing,top notch

  • @behroozkhaleghirad
    @behroozkhaleghirad 3 года назад +82

    Me: I'm a mechanic already why am I watching this
    Also me: LOVES WHAT HE WATCHED

    • @nizar_nyx
      @nizar_nyx 3 года назад +2

      same here 😁

    • @fattmouth7715
      @fattmouth7715 3 года назад +3

      There is a lot to learn here and the comments are just fun.🙂

    • @hisholinesslordpotato
      @hisholinesslordpotato 3 года назад +1

      For a new mechanic and someone who is scared of hybrid cars, this kind of video is very helpful for me

  • @jstotefalk
    @jstotefalk 3 года назад +15

    Quality content like no other channel!

  • @borysnijinski331
    @borysnijinski331 3 года назад +65

    Multiplate wet clutches usually found on motorcycles...being immersed in oil would reduce friction which seems to operate counter to what you want to do. Some high performance cars use wet clutches too. Please discuss. Love the channel...looking forward to next instalment talking about flat engines aka 180° vee config.

    • @test987665
      @test987665 3 года назад +10

      Indeed! I wouldn't mind watching a Part 2 which discusses wet clutches and also carbon clutches.

    • @Gidanski
      @Gidanski 3 года назад +11

      Motorcycles usually get around this by having a lot of plates, sometimes 6 or more, so there is a huge amount of surface area to combat the friction loss from the oil.

    • @emlix1
      @emlix1 3 года назад +5

      Yeah, I've got an Evo X which has a dual wet multiplate clutch (about which I know almost nothing). I would love to see an in depth explanation of how it and similar clutches work. Please?

    • @ImnotgoingSideways
      @ImnotgoingSideways 3 года назад +3

      I'd really like to know why multiplate and multiplate-wet clutches aren't more common in cars. I assume wet clutches have a major downside of gumming up whatever oil they're in. But what prevents multiplate clutches being the norm? Most motorcycles I'm aware of only ever run multiplate. Engagement with those is so light, it can be done by hand. I can't imagine the price gap being so terribly wide when done at the OEM level. At least, please say it's not built-in obsolescence...

    • @philholland5285
      @philholland5285 3 года назад +7

      @@ImnotgoingSideways motorcycles get around this by have a unique oil spec (JASO oil class MA) the MA means that the oil is capable of suspending the additional sediment from the wet clutch, and doesn’t include friction modifiers that would cause undesirable clutch slip. Additionally, bike engines also need to have different additive mixtures in them as the engine and transmission share a sump. (Motorcycle engines also run a fair bit hotter and spin faster than car engines which also effects oil quite negatively as well

  • @meatcreap
    @meatcreap 2 года назад +3

    I love how you tend to start with basic components and introduce complexity as you move through the lesson. This provides an excellent understanding of the drawbacks of the basic components and also gives opportunity for discussing the pitfalls of these more complex solutions. Nothing comes free in this physical world, and I feel that you are dedicated to teaching this. Good work!!

  • @Pappaoh
    @Pappaoh 3 года назад +4

    I learn something every time I watch your channel. You do a fantastic job of summing up information in a meaningful way. Really appreciate all the work you put into the content you prepare.

  • @SamichHunter
    @SamichHunter 3 года назад +5

    Absolutely LOVE the informative videos you make. As a kid who grew up working on his own vehicle in the 70's I have seen all sorts of engine parts but I never fully understood how they work. THANK you for the time and effort you spend bringing us these well done videos!
    Be safe and stay well.

  • @OnurEGN
    @OnurEGN 3 года назад +7

    Your channel is a gem.

  • @withgrowinginsanity198
    @withgrowinginsanity198 3 года назад +2

    4:18 very cool way to let the viewer digest the information flow

  • @dustinellis1888
    @dustinellis1888 3 года назад +2

    His scene cuts remind of 90s safety videos at work and it's amazing I love it

  • @victork9706
    @victork9706 2 года назад +1

    best informative chanel on youtube this IS GOLD

  • @nobenznofun9139
    @nobenznofun9139 3 года назад +7

    You can explain stuff like no one else, if you had been my teacher in school I would be some genius making millions. Great great videos

  • @NaughtiusMaximu5
    @NaughtiusMaximu5 3 года назад +2

    started watching with your video on differentials, now im on a binger, I've always been mechanically inclined, and i'm always good for learning more

  • @trumanhw
    @trumanhw 2 года назад +1

    Your graphics were priceless.
    But the _hand-gesture_ @6:20 ..? I can't imagine what I'd be grabbing ...
    (with 2 hands @ chest level, in a squeezing motion).

  • @MikeF055
    @MikeF055 3 года назад +1

    Thanks for this video. Car guy for 30 years and I learned something.

  • @wilharnecker2575
    @wilharnecker2575 Год назад +1

    Each video D4A produces is an educational masterpiece!

  • @Krosis_
    @Krosis_ 3 года назад +3

    Thank you for also going into detail about how the clutch itself works; great video for people who are new to learning about cars :D

  • @fernandoanatomia
    @fernandoanatomia 3 года назад +4

    Thank you! Enjoyable and educative at the same time.

  • @chiefdenis
    @chiefdenis 2 года назад

    This channel is so flipping incredible, i can never get sick of this channel, love your work.

  • @xynostasos9022
    @xynostasos9022 3 года назад +1

    This channel is pure gold. Keep it up!

  • @802Garage
    @802Garage 3 года назад +3

    So satisfying to see your subscriber count sky rocket and sponsors jump on board! Fantastic video as always.
    P.S. Organic is clearly the best because the strength chart looks like a Star Trek symbol. ;)

  • @derekhoffman9737
    @derekhoffman9737 3 года назад +2

    Clutches for a semi trucks have a similar construction but also offer one more feature that you dont find in cars. That being a clutch brake, it is needed to slow the transmission down/stop so we can get the truck into gear. If the brake was not on the clutch it would several seconds for the transmission to slow down enough to get it into a starting gear.

    • @arongenesismagdayao3826
      @arongenesismagdayao3826 3 года назад +1

      I only see a syncronizers. To match the speed mo the engine to the transmission

    • @derekhoffman9737
      @derekhoffman9737 3 года назад +1

      For a car yes, synchronizes are used to match the gears to the engine. A transmission in a semi does not have any synchronizes in it. In fact a semi transmission is split into 2 different parts. Engine side and road side. The engine side had all the gears in it that you would normally shift through. When you depress the clutch in a semi and dont engage the clutch brake the transmission can be felt still slowing down and grinding to a stop if you try to force it into gear. A clutch brake actually stops the transmission so that the driver can get into a gear from a dead stop. Once the truck is moving the clutch brake is no longer needed. In order to shift the truck, because it is not synchronized, you have to double clutch or float the gears. Now comes the other side of the transmission, the road side. It spins with the drive shaft separate from the engine side. If i have the clutch brake engaged and the truck is slowly rolling the truck will not go into gear. So the truck has to be at a full stop or, you let out the clutch and match the gear and engine speed so you can keep moving. It is hard to explain how it all works but i tried my best so hopefully it makes a little since. If this was something you already knew i apologize for that too.

  • @MrWilliam.Stewart
    @MrWilliam.Stewart 3 года назад +3

    You never fail to deliver the facts, another bloody good effort mate. (A great, well researched and very informative video)
    👍👍👍👍👍

  • @Lolo7674
    @Lolo7674 4 месяца назад

    As relevant as funny. And bright. Always a pleasure to see your videos.

  • @olukayodeokunowo4631
    @olukayodeokunowo4631 Год назад

    You are a great teacher and engineer. More grease to your elbow and more wisdom always. Amen

  • @massy1943
    @massy1943 2 года назад

    I watched a few youtube videos and I still got left confused to which I should put in my car. thanks for this man I know exactly what to get. btw this guy knows how to explain his stuff!

  • @Four_Eyes
    @Four_Eyes 2 года назад

    Excellent video brother

    • @d4a
      @d4a  2 года назад +1

      Thank you. I loved your viper exhaust video!

  • @alfredmosoti114
    @alfredmosoti114 3 года назад +1

    WONDERFUL research you are really knowledgeable on different automotive ideas...I am encouraged by your work.

  • @magnusandersen8898
    @magnusandersen8898 3 года назад +1

    This video did indeed come in clutch!
    Thanks alot for the high quality content

  • @Da5idc
    @Da5idc 3 года назад +1

    Very cool that you gave credit to the animator - too many content creators never credit the creative persons behind the scenes

  • @not12listen
    @not12listen 3 года назад +1

    Ah, this is a very welcome video! It makes it very clear that the people buying ultra aggressive (race) parts for daily driving are.... not choosing wisely. :)
    Of note, the company Spec has a lighter than OEM clutch pedal feel (ie. requires less foot force), despite the clamping load being higher. I previous ran a Exedy/Daiken OEM clutch in my 2006 WRX for 6 years - no issues with it, other than being 'vague' with engagement (this is expected in an OEM clutch). My transmission had to be pulled as the Exedy OEM throw out bearing was dying, I opted to have a Spec Stage 1 (organic) clutch installed.
    The clamping load is considerably higher and the pedal requires less effort.
    From the rumors that I've heard, Spec re-designs the springs in the pressure plate, and that is the result. I do not have any further details, but that rumor is validated in my experience.

  • @Zenvo-uu9tm
    @Zenvo-uu9tm 3 года назад

    Im not a mechanical engineer nor went to engineering school , but learning from this guy is a breeze

  • @JrtMechanics
    @JrtMechanics 3 года назад +1

    Best channel for mechanical students

  • @DaveWithMS
    @DaveWithMS 3 года назад

    After having worked on cars for a number of years, this video still answered a lot of good questions that I had about clutches. Thank you for posting it.

  • @hasanimam3102
    @hasanimam3102 3 года назад +1

    0:21 to 0:41 that's why I love this channel so much

  • @deciplesteve
    @deciplesteve 3 года назад +1

    As always, another wonderful video from D4A.

  • @djkrisskaos
    @djkrisskaos Год назад

    Best video I've seen for clutches so far!!

  • @maneki9neko
    @maneki9neko 3 года назад +1

    Very useful. Comprehensive. Well researched. And covers the material science in depth in addition to the dynamics. Much of what is being described here about friction materials also applies to brake pads.

  • @jtland4842
    @jtland4842 3 года назад

    Even though I drive an automatic Volvo station wagon I still watch these videos for some reason. I have literally zero need for this information but I still watch. lol

  • @prowoto
    @prowoto 3 года назад

    I could listen to hour lessons from this guy good voice and pacing with interesting subjects

  • @blackbirdpie217
    @blackbirdpie217 3 года назад +2

    I rebuilt a 1925 Cadillac. It had a flathead V8 engine which had more power than most cars of the day. I was surprised to find it had a smaller diameter- about (7 or 8 inches) but more interesting, it was a stacked clutch assembly with no fewer than 7 clutch discs, separated by splined plates making it very similar to those very small clutch packs in an automatic transmission, although it was a dry clutch.

  • @vismundcygnus2800
    @vismundcygnus2800 2 года назад +1

    I had a spring come out of a clutch once. Made it impossible to disengage. That was a fun couple of days...

  • @dcmarvel29
    @dcmarvel29 3 года назад +1

    #1 very detailed and accurate i might add

  • @ianrobinson3410
    @ianrobinson3410 5 месяцев назад

    might get lost hope you see it, could we get a video like this on fly wheels and are we maybe going to see a transmission school coming soon? no pressure, you're just the most unbiased and direct with information, without unnecessary theatrics. the whole engine school playlist can be pretty grueling and it is arguably university 101-303 (on some stuff) in the series; other creators tend to 'sugarcoat' the level of depth some of the information has. You do not. you also don't rabbit hole and go off on tangents. its incredible how professional you are.
    Thank you immensely for this whole channel and the series especially, thank you so much

  • @joshuarankin1905
    @joshuarankin1905 3 года назад

    Very smooth explanation of clutches! I Loved the animation used as they really drove home the point!...

  • @radodanchev8600
    @radodanchev8600 3 года назад +3

    Idk how to tank you. I love that chanel and it help me so much. Tenk you ❤️😎

  • @digitalelement
    @digitalelement 3 года назад

    I work for a high performance/racing clutch and flywheel manufacturer and this is a really good video.

  • @collinmanning8334
    @collinmanning8334 9 месяцев назад

    The end of the video made me feel MUCH more comfortable with the fact I purchased a stage 3 sintered metal clutch and light flywheel from Comp Clutch for daily use

  • @MrWilliam.Stewart
    @MrWilliam.Stewart 3 года назад +3

    What is up?
    A very hard working, very well researching dood is going to bring us another awesome video, that's what's up.
    👍

  • @ThunderBassistJay
    @ThunderBassistJay 3 года назад

    Big thumbs up for this complete and clear presentation of the clutch.

  • @Culumbu
    @Culumbu 3 года назад

    This explanation was smooth as a cotton clutch, superb video as always, thanks

  • @Your_nearest_toyota_dealer
    @Your_nearest_toyota_dealer 3 года назад

    I love this channel, you can get to know a lot of things about internals, engines that you normally wouldnt on youtube

  • @catstr0nautCS2
    @catstr0nautCS2 3 года назад +1

    excellent information in a well laid out format. thank you!

  • @yusufkuntoro3141
    @yusufkuntoro3141 3 года назад +1

    Great explanation

  • @samcoote9653
    @samcoote9653 3 года назад +4

    I never knew there were all iron clutch plates, so learned something new. Also, if you haven't done one, a video on different flywheels would be awesome, lightened flywheels etc. And dual mass flywheels, as I never knew they existed, pretty cool!!

    • @d4a
      @d4a  3 года назад +1

      Great idea man, thanks!

  • @rogerking7258
    @rogerking7258 2 года назад

    I started my career in motorsport and was immediately acquainted with twin plate sintered clutches with no shock absorbing springs. It wasn't until a few years later that I became familiar with road clutches and I initially found them very confusing. Kind of back to front compared to most people I guess.

  • @clintbailey8220
    @clintbailey8220 3 года назад

    Love the informative and honesty from you. I forgotten you have a toyota.

  • @fattmouth7715
    @fattmouth7715 3 года назад +41

    Metal is the OEM standard in the trucking industry

  • @clueless3398
    @clueless3398 3 года назад +1

    This guy is great and honestly keeping car guys from being ignorant. 👍

  • @rjacobb
    @rjacobb 3 года назад

    Wow. Thank you! I have been looking at upgrading the clutch in my Forester. Coming from commercial applications, I'm not used to the slippery feel of the OEM clutch. I'm getting ready to do a tune up and replace all the fluids anyhow, so might as well pull the block and replace it with something I like. Your channel is always very educational.

  • @matts5248
    @matts5248 Год назад

    Awesome video. Very informative, detailed and easy to understand. Thank you. Heading off to watch more of your videos now.

  • @mongoslade5248
    @mongoslade5248 3 года назад +2

    I just so happen to be in the market for a clutch. Your comparison makes me want to choose Kevlar. My daily driving can be a "Challenge".

  • @bonzo9303204406
    @bonzo9303204406 3 года назад

    As always, very helpful and very rich info about something that is rather neglected among amateur home renchers ! Thank you for this video

  • @GastoneGreggio
    @GastoneGreggio Год назад

    Really compliments, yours explanations are very clear like your speacking!! Greatings from Italy!

  • @pujiri5752
    @pujiri5752 3 года назад

    I've been waiting for this! Thankyou!

  • @jeffreymoore765
    @jeffreymoore765 3 года назад

    Beautifully smooth and robust clutch came standard in Hudson automobiles. Consisting of~5/8" diameter cork discs arranged on a street clutch-plate

  • @carlosevfaj
    @carlosevfaj 3 года назад

    These types of videos are the best

  • @lepmuhangpa
    @lepmuhangpa 3 года назад

    Best car explaining channel.

  • @ernestkhalimov177
    @ernestkhalimov177 3 года назад

    I learned to drive manual with a metal clutch, when you start to know it well. You can have a very smooth driving experience

  • @kimmiepaulo8564
    @kimmiepaulo8564 3 года назад

    I love the way you explained it

  • @crazy_genetic2136
    @crazy_genetic2136 3 года назад +1

    Exactly what i needed , thanks buddy

  • @edoardoferrarini
    @edoardoferrarini 2 года назад

    This video confirms the quality of your work mate.
    Overall I think a Kevlar clutch could be an interesting trade-off for tuned motorcycles not going on track

  • @jameshaulenbeek5931
    @jameshaulenbeek5931 3 года назад

    Awesome video! I love your content! Always informative, never any BS.

  • @richie302302
    @richie302302 23 дня назад

    Very interesting, my car goes through a clutch every 6 months but I’m unsure about upgrading because I don’t want it to change how it drives! Lots of good information here so thank you

  • @RockFordCademce
    @RockFordCademce 3 года назад +1

    Quality content level: Epic!

  • @liboy9844
    @liboy9844 Год назад

    In addition to the three you mentioned I think larger diameter of the friction surfaces can increase performance also...of course possible only if space allows it.during the design stage.

  • @valentinuiliqnow6198
    @valentinuiliqnow6198 3 года назад +4

    best day ever ! ! !

  • @SoulTouchMusic93
    @SoulTouchMusic93 3 года назад +2

    my jag x-type (the cheap one, calm down) had a organic multiplate cushioned organic clutch. it was hydraulic too and sprung and it felt amazing! at least until the flywheel gives up the ghost and starts rattling.

  • @jyedawg2059
    @jyedawg2059 3 года назад

    Best information videos on RUclips so helpful keep it up bro

  • @azypk
    @azypk 3 года назад

    I can only thanks you for your amazing work. Awesome content dude!

  • @RS24-7
    @RS24-7 3 года назад +1

    This was pretty well done 👏

  • @xpo186
    @xpo186 2 года назад

    Love the info and clear way of explaining things! Only thing I don't like is that he is practically whispering 70% of the time and it just gets really hard to understand sometimes.

  • @vilbenasvienuolis
    @vilbenasvienuolis 3 года назад +1

    Watched the video, went and bought metal clutch for my slipping torque converter. Much better. Thank you for education

  • @75west
    @75west 3 года назад +1

    good explanation, good audio

  • @Spudstrodamus
    @Spudstrodamus 3 года назад

    I thought I knew alot about clutches but dam this was a good video and I learned a few things. Keep up the good videos

  • @toninocars
    @toninocars 3 года назад +1

    Very good explanation. Well done. Thanks for sharing. 👍

  • @chasg5648
    @chasg5648 2 года назад

    Best explanation I have seen. Thank you!!!!!

  • @HeadShotPR
    @HeadShotPR 3 года назад

    Ah yes another gem video

  • @spencer2652
    @spencer2652 3 года назад

    I love these informative video formats.

  • @Armaniche
    @Armaniche 3 года назад +5

    Good video, didn't hear about carbon racing clutches though

  • @jnrivers
    @jnrivers 3 года назад

    A very needed video! Thanks.

  • @terjejohnsen3651
    @terjejohnsen3651 3 года назад +1

    Very interesting as allways nice to learn something new thank you very mutch and have a nice evening.

  • @cesartoledo5621
    @cesartoledo5621 2 года назад

    I remember back when “CenterForce” centrifugal clutch’s were available on the market. It was an excellent upgrade and really squeezed the power out of the motor.