Dude is hella cool, he works with Dai a lot if you watch his thunder hill video and others. He’s a master chef too ;) A goat of the car industry for sure.
Bought the same Xclutch for my STI and it was thanks to your videos and advice. Never stop teaching about Subarus, specifically STIs, you're golden Mike, thank you everything you've teached me/us. 🙏
@JManuel638 not installed yet but I highly doubt a clutch will give you a code unless something was not installed or wrongly installed around during the clutch install.
@@joralex my clutch was installed by a subaru professional shop and since then my car exhibited a phantom code . I think the flywheel is just a bit light IMO.
I found this gentleman to be very informative and one of the best presenters I've ever seen. I go back time and time again to look at his tutorials and the gain his wisdom
I just purchased one this morning and 10 seconds later thought to myself, “what have I done?”😰 …then I remembered this video and came back to watch it. All of my worries are gone. Thank you😎
@@Andrew49683 a year later and i pulled my engine to service. after countless pulls, launches and 7k rpm no lift shifts, the clutch looks as if ive barely used it😎 ...i have an organic/solid (unsprung)
@@shawnsquires2716 it took some getting used to but once it was broken in, getting off the line is no problemo. its also chattery at first, but the break in period tones it down and raising the idle rpm pretty much eliminates noises.
Nice -- multi-plate clutch fibres and steels have been used on motorcycle clutches for years, specifically for the reasons Mike likes this XClutch twin-disc. If you look at the individual plates on say, a Hayabusa, tiny compared to an automotive performance application... but they're also 8 fibres and 7 steels to share transmitting that torque.... love this content, keep it going Mike 👍
This guy just answers any car questions I have. I search up a question about any part or an engine and MotoIQ comes up and 100% of my questions are answered lmao.
appreciate the effort and thought in putting this video together. it fleshed out what is involved with these types of builds and how a reputable builder would be thinking through a client request(or how someone would hope a reputable builder is thinking through their request). Also appreciated the confirmation on consulting. Once i landed on a builder(i'm in the Northeast), i was wondering if requesting a consulting session is something that is or can be done to talk through a potential build(for a cost) and if those cost could go toward eventual build. While every shop may be different, it was good to see this is not an uncommon practice. If I may make a recommendation, it would be a great to see a follow up video reviewing what a customer should look for and be prepared to discuss when "interviewing' potential builders and what they should be prepared for(a consulting fee...shops worked hard for that knowledge). An educated customer, is a happy customer and a good customer. Thank you again for this vid. great stuff...it's unfortunate MotoIQ is a bit of a drive for me.
At 8:49 the undercut for the drive dog is there to act as stress relief. If there was just a square corner, this is where a crack is likely to propagate from, ultimately causing failure of the intermediate plate.
From Cali, can confirm lol. Either that, or when you are so used to going triple digits, going 65 seems like a crawl. Both of which are funny to consider.
I have the push type version that XClutch makes and i love it... Hella Chatter though but piece off mind of not having a weak clutch is key. I bet this pull design produces a lot less chatter.
Dang I’ve got that clutch! It’s sorta heavy.. but can definitely handle the power and is super smooth. It’s also amazing for launches, I can use the clutch to determine how much wheel spin I have depending on how fast I let it out and how much rpm I set my launch control to. Makes for a perfect launch every single time no joke.
How much power are you making? I just smoked my Act stage 2 after a year 🙃 cannot handle the launches apparently. I'm around 400whp and I also semi-daily the car
Interesting. I didn't know about pull type throw out bearings. I wonder if that would help mitigate the higher thrust bearing wear from heavier diaphragm springs.
Every video on this channel is a jaw dropping display of knowledge and passion. Thank you for sharing your content freely with all the gearheads out there!
Nothing revolutionary about this clutch, but very clever combination of all existing designs. Clearly very high quality and terrific attention to detail. Kudos. Just wish it was not a gaudy color.
Super heavy clutches also put extra wear upon the firewall and other parts that interact with the clutch, like clutch fork, pedal box. I know this because I had a stage 2 cermetallic three puck clutch, worst idea ever. I broke some weld points on my firewall, cracked the torque tube on the pedal box assembly, bent my clutch fork, popped the slave and master clutch cylinder on my 2010 WRX. I think the only good thing to come from that was I learned how to install a dash, and clutch system into the car, along with some added bracing.
I've read thats why you match it to the power you are making, any extra grip ends up breaking stuff way faster. I'd also go as far as saying those platforms are crap too, I know 3 guys with 4 blown motors between them. One guy's brand new oem replacement from Subaru developed rod knock breaking it on on the freeway on the way back from the dealer.
@@xpeacemaster Yes you match your clutch to the torque you are making but when your power requirements require a very high effort clutch is will put lots of stress on the above parts of the clutch system I mentions and the thrust bearings. You will need to upgrade all of the above and add bracing to your firewall unless you like your firewall popping and making all sort of unpleasant sounds. And most people that make moderate gains often ignore all the supporting clutch upgrades. I learned this lesson the hard way and preach not making much power unless you can afford the other parts.
@@RF-zn8xx they straight up are hoon-worthy out of the box, no oil pan baffle, and they have oil pumps that can't even keep up with spirited driving. I wanted an sti for a few years until I read enough on NASIOC. Then theres the bearings and tolerances that lead everyone to eventually doing a full rebuild at some point. They do sound nice though lol. They aren't as bad as every bmw motor made after the s54 though, but bad enough to be in the conversation.
I just bought one of these to replace an Exedy twin disc with a broken spring after only 8k miles. I can't wait to see the difference. Also can't wait to get 1st and reverse back...
Quick note: didn't realize this vid was 2 years old! Everything I said still stands tho ^.^ fantastic educational video. Came here trying to research chromoly vs alloy for my mazdadspeed 3 build. I got just that but so much more! I learned a ton about clutches in general from you, everything you said made sense to me ; I can perform basic maintenance but anything else I'm potato brained. Definitely subscribed! ^.^ keep it up my guy.
I haven’t even hit the break in miles on my Exedy stage 1 HD and I’m already kicking myself 🤦♂️ I already spent years with a stage 2 single disc and a light flywheel having annoying misfire codes.
ORC dual plate is same thing, I luv it. 400hp 670nm and it is super strong, Using carbon fibre syncro's in my setup and moded shifters, dont know if that makes it different
If you're this far in, you have a junk trans or can find one. Cutting the splined portion off of the input shaft is another way to get a metal alignment tool...
Looks like the perfect clutch. now put it in the Sti and let us hear it. Also interested on short term impressions. Specifically how a 11lb flywheel does in a heavy awd, high torque car. My Sti has a 15lb flywheel and i have to be very mindful on hills to burn it to the ground achieving enough rpm to get going.
Hey Mike, I love your channel. Would you still recommend this clutch? I have a BMW M2 with about 685whp and am in need of a new clutch. Thank you so much!
Im building a VW MK6 R and DKM makes a twin disc but everyone who uses it ends up killing their thrust bearings.. does this twin disc have the same fate as DKM..
Funny thing about the "undercuts" on the floater disc is......it literally may just be the easiest way to machine the ears onto the disc when the end mill (tool used for side cutting in maching) cuts the ears, so that there's no interference from any chamfers between the floater and the flywheel. Usually the "undercuts" are called "Mickey Mouse ears".
He is a car industry goat, and not a jerk about knowing more about how a car works then anyone I know. His realness comes through in that smile. Embarrassed or whatever to be on camera shows he a cool human.
How does this compare to the newer clutch masters 850 Strapped Series Twin Disc Clutch? Their "strapped" series has the same feature preventing the rattling noise.
Hi Mike, thx for the informative video, do you know if Xclutch make one for BMW 335i ? i know there are a single F/wheel OEM replacement (duble F/wheel) which allows for more HP but its very noise at Idle. Tx in advance
Has anyone put this on a 08+ sti? I’m looking at this one but I daily a 400 ft-lbs torque stage 3 2011 sti. I know it may be overkill but I want to buy one/cry once. *looking for any feedback*
Carbon carbon clutches wear really fast on the street. The friction material works well at higher racing temperatures but sufferers from rapid wear at low temps. We have worn them out in just a few thousand miles of typical California use. It's one of the reasons why carbon carbon brakes are not used on street cars but carbon ceramic are. A true carbon carbon clutch costs 3x as much as this clutch as well.
Great video! I'm just looking to replace my noisy, twin plate clutch in my Subaru and this looks to be a great option! Do you have the part number for it?
I ve bought this fantastic piece of engineering It works perfectly on my Sti 600 hp but when I press the cluth a noise appears only on that moment. It is a "normal" behave? once you release it the noise is gone.
coud this be a good alternativ to doublemass flywheel on a diesel engine? My flywheel and clutch cant handle the power and abuse, but it also needs to be comfortble to drive
Not only is Mike passionate about these cars and parts... he explains so well why and how they work.
I can't help liking this guy ... maybe because he always looks like he's about to smile ... I hope he is a nice guy IRL
Dude is hella cool, he works with Dai a lot if you watch his thunder hill video and others. He’s a master chef too ;) A goat of the car industry for sure.
He sounds like the kind of guy to share his beer cooler with you at the cookout and treat you like one of the guys even though you just met.
He always looks like he just cut a big fart and is waiting for you to smell it
He's actually a modern day Samurai
hes a customer of mine funnily enough and hes wonderful
Bought the same Xclutch for my STI and it was thanks to your videos and advice. Never stop teaching about Subarus, specifically STIs, you're golden Mike, thank you everything you've teached me/us. 🙏
hello Joralex are you having issue like phantom check engine light? I have the same clutch and I am getting P0000 and P0300
@JManuel638 not installed yet but I highly doubt a clutch will give you a code unless something was not installed or wrongly installed around during the clutch install.
@@joralex my clutch was installed by a subaru professional shop and since then my car exhibited a phantom code . I think the flywheel is just a bit light IMO.
I found this gentleman to be very informative and one of the best presenters I've ever seen. I go back time and time again to look at his tutorials and the gain his wisdom
I just purchased one this morning and 10 seconds later thought to myself, “what have I done?”😰 …then I remembered this video and came back to watch it. All of my worries are gone. Thank you😎
How’s it holding up?
how is it? I have heard that lightweight flywheels make launching hard
@@Andrew49683 a year later and i pulled my engine to service. after countless pulls, launches and 7k rpm no lift shifts, the clutch looks as if ive barely used it😎 ...i have an organic/solid (unsprung)
@@shawnsquires2716 it took some getting used to but once it was broken in, getting off the line is no problemo. its also chattery at first, but the break in period tones it down and raising the idle rpm pretty much eliminates noises.
The way Mike speaks, makes you feel the need to buy every part he is showing you. The best sales man.
Awesome video, amazing automotive experience and knowledge. Thorough and clear explanations, very helpful education, Thank you Sir. 🙏
This is fantastic content. Please keep it up. I really dig the energy you deliver when dropping knowledge on us.
Stay Safe,
-Luis
Nice -- multi-plate clutch fibres and steels have been used on motorcycle clutches for years, specifically for the reasons Mike likes this XClutch twin-disc. If you look at the individual plates on say, a Hayabusa, tiny compared to an automotive performance application... but they're also 8 fibres and 7 steels to share transmitting that torque.... love this content, keep it going Mike 👍
This guy just answers any car questions I have. I search up a question about any part or an engine and MotoIQ comes up and 100% of my questions are answered lmao.
appreciate the effort and thought in putting this video together. it fleshed out what is involved with these types of builds and how a reputable builder would be thinking through a client request(or how someone would hope a reputable builder is thinking through their request). Also appreciated the confirmation on consulting. Once i landed on a builder(i'm in the Northeast), i was wondering if requesting a consulting session is something that is or can be done to talk through a potential build(for a cost) and if those cost could go toward eventual build. While every shop may be different, it was good to see this is not an uncommon practice.
If I may make a recommendation, it would be a great to see a follow up video reviewing what a customer should look for and be prepared to discuss when "interviewing' potential builders and what they should be prepared for(a consulting fee...shops worked hard for that knowledge). An educated customer, is a happy customer and a good customer.
Thank you again for this vid. great stuff...it's unfortunate MotoIQ is a bit of a drive for me.
I love this man! He's brilliant, and mellow at the same time. BRAVO!
At 8:49 the undercut for the drive dog is there to act as stress relief.
If there was just a square corner, this is where a crack is likely to propagate from, ultimately causing failure of the intermediate plate.
"Annoying to drive slowly like on the highway"
Must be a Cali thing 😂
From Cali, can confirm lol. Either that, or when you are so used to going triple digits, going 65 seems like a crawl. Both of which are funny to consider.
Stop and go freeway traffic, anywhere....
@@Edison73100 lol I Kno I'm messing around
Thanks Mike and Motoiq. Always enjoy the in-depth knowledge you’re sharing.
I have the push type version that XClutch makes and i love it... Hella Chatter though but piece off mind of not having a weak clutch is key. I bet this pull design produces a lot less chatter.
Love this guy. I could listen to him even talking about dirt all day. He has true passion, he makes it very interesting.
Damn I love seein all them cars in the back ground 300z Sentra teggy old school maxima rsx bmw tryin to see if that’s a 89 accord baige color
Dang I’ve got that clutch! It’s sorta heavy.. but can definitely handle the power and is super smooth. It’s also amazing for launches, I can use the clutch to determine how much wheel spin I have depending on how fast I let it out and how much rpm I set my launch control to. Makes for a perfect launch every single time no joke.
How much power are you making? I just smoked my Act stage 2 after a year 🙃 cannot handle the launches apparently. I'm around 400whp and I also semi-daily the car
@@andypacmanperez 510whp on low boost right now
What model of xclutch do you have/is in this video?
Twin disc organic, can’t remember what stage it is
@@zokusharuuku1091 how's the noise?
Uncle you made me buy this clutch after this video! Thank you so much 🤙🏽
You will like it!
Another awesome video!! I know a clutch is going to be in my near future and this looks like a pretty solid option. Thanks for sharing!
Super under-rated channel, love the depth of the technical explanations
Interesting. I didn't know about pull type throw out bearings. I wonder if that would help mitigate the higher thrust bearing wear from heavier diaphragm springs.
Every video on this channel is a jaw dropping display of knowledge and passion. Thank you for sharing your content freely with all the gearheads out there!
Thx , helping me inprove my skills
Nothing revolutionary about this clutch, but very clever combination of all existing designs. Clearly very high quality and terrific attention to detail. Kudos. Just wish it was not a gaudy color.
Super heavy clutches also put extra wear upon the firewall and other parts that interact with the clutch, like clutch fork, pedal box. I know this because I had a stage 2 cermetallic three puck clutch, worst idea ever. I broke some weld points on my firewall, cracked the torque tube on the pedal box assembly, bent my clutch fork, popped the slave and master clutch cylinder on my 2010 WRX. I think the only good thing to come from that was I learned how to install a dash, and clutch system into the car, along with some added bracing.
Not to mention your crank thrust bearing.
I've read thats why you match it to the power you are making, any extra grip ends up breaking stuff way faster. I'd also go as far as saying those platforms are crap too, I know 3 guys with 4 blown motors between them. One guy's brand new oem replacement from Subaru developed rod knock breaking it on on the freeway on the way back from the dealer.
@@xpeacemaster Yes you match your clutch to the torque you are making but when your power requirements require a very high effort clutch is will put lots of stress on the above parts of the clutch system I mentions and the thrust bearings. You will need to upgrade all of the above and add bracing to your firewall unless you like your firewall popping and making all sort of unpleasant sounds. And most people that make moderate gains often ignore all the supporting clutch upgrades. I learned this lesson the hard way and preach not making much power unless you can afford the other parts.
Thats a common problem on wrx and sti from 08-14. Cost me 1500
@@RF-zn8xx they straight up are hoon-worthy out of the box, no oil pan baffle, and they have oil pumps that can't even keep up with spirited driving. I wanted an sti for a few years until I read enough on NASIOC. Then theres the bearings and tolerances that lead everyone to eventually doing a full rebuild at some point. They do sound nice though lol. They aren't as bad as every bmw motor made after the s54 though, but bad enough to be in the conversation.
Damnit why did i get an alum flywheel!!
Love your product reviews Mike. Thank you for your insights!
One thing I learned is that the metal alignment tool avoids all that "fiddle farting" :)
Brilliant, I will be checking these out, cheers
I just bought one of these to replace an Exedy twin disc with a broken spring after only 8k miles. I can't wait to see the difference. Also can't wait to get 1st and reverse back...
Have you installed it yet? I’m looking at getting one as well
@@Andrew49683 Not yet. I'm planning on racing at IFO next month so I should have it in by then. I'll report back.
Love your content so much!! This will help me out with the hatchie. ;)
this will be my next clutch on my Evo 6, thank you!
Quick note: didn't realize this vid was 2 years old! Everything I said still stands tho ^.^ fantastic educational video.
Came here trying to research chromoly vs alloy for my mazdadspeed 3 build. I got just that but so much more! I learned a ton about clutches in general from you, everything you said made sense to me ; I can perform basic maintenance but anything else I'm potato brained. Definitely subscribed! ^.^ keep it up my guy.
Ah man few parts make me more excited to think about adding to my build as a twin disk clutch
I can't stop seeing videos from this guy!!! And now I want a 800hp Subaru STI for some reason... hahahahhha!
I haven’t even hit the break in miles on my Exedy stage 1 HD and I’m already kicking myself 🤦♂️ I already spent years with a stage 2 single disc and a light flywheel having annoying misfire codes.
this thing is beautiful! Definitely gotta keep them in mind.
Can I just come hang out with Mike and listen to his wisdom for a week? I'd turn wrenches for his wealth of knowledge. Seriously.
This video is the reason I bought this clutch
C4 Corvette with ZF6 have a pull type.
Oh & 1st gen Dodge Vipers
I’ve been running Centerforce Dual Friction Clutch (pn# DF749834) on my 307whp BRZ for 2 years, it’s quite awesome.
That is a great clutch for lower power applications like yours, one of our favorites.
@@motoiq Thanks! That is high praise coming from you!
ORC dual plate is same thing, I luv it. 400hp 670nm and it is super strong, Using carbon fibre syncro's in my setup and moded shifters, dont know if that makes it different
Great video!!
Mike is the best. Always buttery smooth delivery and easy to listen to.
Good guy, good content, keep it coming
If you're this far in, you have a junk trans or can find one. Cutting the splined portion off of the input shaft is another way to get a metal alignment tool...
Great video
You and dominic acia are my two go to guys for subaru knowledge cantbwait for more videos thanks for helping spread this knowledge
i Smashed that like button! shared and commented for the algorithm !
excellent video, very informative.
I could listen to his voice/this video when falling asleep at night, he has an interesting doctor/mechanic voice
Having to drive slowly "like on the highway" hahaha yep I feel ya
That looks like a really well thought out twin disc clutch.
I bought this clutch because of you, and I can honestly say, thank you!!! Also I’ve rewatched this video over a dozen times, and it never gets old ❤
Great to hear!
I'm just here to listen to you talk. Is so soothing and comforting.
Wonder how this would compare to ACT's MOD Twin? 🤔🤔🤔🤔
That is also a very good clutch but the X clutch is also very easy to daily drive
Hi Mike.
Looks like the perfect clutch. now put it in the Sti and let us hear it. Also interested on short term impressions. Specifically how a 11lb flywheel does in a heavy awd, high torque car. My Sti has a 15lb flywheel and i have to be very mindful on hills to burn it to the ground achieving enough rpm to get going.
Coming soon!
The flywheel may be 11lbs bit the 3xtra heft of the clutch more than makes up for it I'm sure.
Hey Mike, I love your channel. Would you still recommend this clutch? I have a BMW M2 with about 685whp and am in need of a new clutch. Thank you so much!
Yes, absolutely
awesome
Wow, this guy is GREAT! Keep it up
I can listen to him talk all day (no homo)
Is that a B13 SE-R in the back? God iloved those cars. I wish i could find an hnmolested one these days.
I want a sip of the soda on the right
That's a sweet lookin clutch
Going back to push type on an STI would be silly.
this is a pull type
What's the word on rebuilding or replacing clutch disks on this in the future? I don't see any parts support online. Thoughts on this?
I see an SER Sentra from the nineties
Is the clutch pedal heavy ? When shifting gears?
No like stock
I have a 2020 STI 400 whp. Is this too much clutch for me?
No it feels almost like a stock clutch
Im building a VW MK6 R and DKM makes a twin disc but everyone who uses it ends up killing their thrust bearings.. does this twin disc have the same fate as DKM..
Usually a twin disc uses less clamping pressure and is easier on thrust bearings.
@motoiq Thank you for the information. I plan on getting an X clutch that's twin disc with sprung design.
What's the part number on this clutch?
Would this be a good clutch for an STI on a Stage 2 working on trying to reach 400whp next with turbo and fueling upgrades coming next!
Probably overkill, this clutch is designed for around 500 plus hp.
@@motoiq got it! I was going with the mindset of rather overbuild then underbuild when it comes to power levels I appreciate the honest answer!
Mike sounds like he used to hang out with Jeff Spicoli. This and his happy demeanour make these a great watch.
Where can order a clutch
Great content as always!
Ah yes, hard shifts "on the track".
Love these videos lots of OG's don't share this type of knowledge freely although I guess they still make something off these vids
Bout ready to use my ACT clutch as a damn frisbee...
Funny thing about the "undercuts" on the floater disc is......it literally may just be the easiest way to machine the ears onto the disc when the end mill (tool used for side cutting in maching) cuts the ears, so that there's no interference from any chamfers between the floater and the flywheel. Usually the "undercuts" are called "Mickey Mouse ears".
I'm going to need one of these when I build my Factory 5 818.
He is a car industry goat, and not a jerk about knowing more about how a car works then anyone I know. His realness comes through in that smile. Embarrassed or whatever to be on camera shows he a cool human.
Mike! Quick question. Between this and an act twin (on an evo 9) which would you say is better for daily driving? Lots of stop and go for me in NYC.
I think this, the ACT has a slightly stiffer pedal
@@motoiq thank you for the advice. Much appreciated!
It's not s big difference but if pedal stiffness is a thing it is a little lighter. Both are good clutches.
How does this compare to the newer clutch masters 850 Strapped Series Twin Disc Clutch? Their "strapped" series has the same feature preventing the rattling noise.
Haven't tested it but had previous good experiences with Clutch Masters in general.
@@motoiqI'd love to watch you guys do a review regarding the clutch masters strapped series street twin disc clutch
behind... sunny b13? ♥
i feel like this guy is holding back his laughter, no idea why.
Hi Mike, thx for the informative video, do you know if Xclutch make one for BMW 335i ? i know there are a single F/wheel OEM replacement (duble F/wheel) which allows for more HP but its very noise at Idle. Tx in advance
Go to their website.
Idk I like the feeling of heavy clutches
Your crank thrust bearing doesn't. Hello crankwalk.
Has anyone put this on a 08+ sti? I’m looking at this one but I daily a 400 ft-lbs torque stage 3 2011 sti. I know it may be overkill but I want to buy one/cry once.
*looking for any feedback*
This clutch would do fine but its a bit of an overkill. I would probably go with the X Clutch we did a video on a few months ago.
Swap to a carbon clutch, slip all you want, good for big hp
Carbon carbon clutches wear really fast on the street. The friction material works well at higher racing temperatures but sufferers from rapid wear at low temps. We have worn them out in just a few thousand miles of typical California use. It's one of the reasons why carbon carbon brakes are not used on street cars but carbon ceramic are. A true carbon carbon clutch costs 3x as much as this clutch as well.
@@motoiq fascinating. What carbon / carbon clutches did you try, and in what application?
It’s his cadence , very soothing.
Great video! I'm just looking to replace my noisy, twin plate clutch in my Subaru and this looks to be a great option! Do you have the part number for it?
This clutch makes a slight chatter but way less than your typical twin disc.
@@motoiq
To be honest, the noise doesn’t bother me so much as the drive-ability. The ceramic clutch is a nightmare for stop\start traffic
this clutch is almost as smooth as OEM, just slightly more pedal pressure.
Pretty sweet
I ve bought this fantastic piece of engineering
It works perfectly on my Sti 600 hp but when I press the cluth a noise appears only on that moment. It is a "normal" behave? once you release it the noise is gone.
It's probably just a little bit of floater chatter.
“Big wad of junk” aka rats nest
?
Link me their clutch kit for all motor k 300hp, couldn't find their site.. thanks
www.xclutchusa.com/
What model of xclutch is that? I am very interested for my 5th gen zl1 clutch upgrade
www.xclutchusa.com/product-range/performance-upgrade-kits/250mm-270mm-twin-plate-organic-kits
coud this be a good alternativ to doublemass flywheel on a diesel engine? My flywheel and clutch cant handle the power and abuse, but it also needs to be comfortble to drive
Unfortunately they probably don't make an application for that. Diesels use dual mass flywheels to damp out idle and low rpm vibrations.