Ngl being a single dad the portal comes in clutch and works 98% of the time flawlessly. I love it. I miss my Vita and psp but this helps bridge the gap.
I still have my Aqua Blue Bita and all the accessories and games that are all considered rare now. All in brand new condition...even the Pull N Go Folio case.
psvita It's very good I've always dreamed of having it since the time it launched, I have the psp, a few years ago I chose the 3ds xl instead of the psvita I regret that the price went up a lot
@@dcm19870000 I actually bought the one I have now not too long ago and got Black ops game a 8GB Sony memory card and charger for $130 on EBay and it’s really easy to hack so I can get all the PS1 PSP and Vita games on it and I went with the Oled and it still looks really good for 2024
Rather than a portable ps5 (which would be expensive as hell), just make a portable ps4. It'll be able to play all 1300 ps4 games and could be priced at $399 or $299.
I believe game saves should be cross-platform, allowing players to pick up where they left off regardless of the device or platform being used. I'm willing to purchase a game on multiple platforms - PC, PS5, Steam Deck, Switch, and Xbox - as long as my progress is synced across devices. This would be a great feature for Microsoft to adopt, especially under its 'Play Everywhere' initiative. By doing so, the term 'Everywhere' will truly live up to its name, extending beyond Windows, Xbox, and cloud-based services. Will we see this become a reality in the future?
Let’s be real the new Sony handheld is going to be the happy middle ground between late PS4 and the PS five just like how the PSP was a happy middle ground between late PS1 and the PS2 just like the PS Vita is the happy middle ground between the late PS3 and the PS4
Steam deck is about par with a PS4 in performance so if they’re going release one at less than $500 they’ll have to be around PS4 performance. They may release a PS Portable Pro with PS4 pro performance at the $750 mark competing with ROG Ally and Legion Go or more likely they might wait for the Z2 Extreme chip and release the PS Portable Pro with PS5 performance using upscaling. Maybe it can have the native PS5 performance while plugged in? Depends on cooling. The limiting factor in all of this is thermals and battery. It’s much better not to be running these handhelds at maximum power while on battery.
PSP will forever keep a special place in my heart. I got my car stolen along with it in a parking lot where i was taking a program. Not even in a shady part of town ffs. I hate this world sometimes.
If they made a handheld with Steam Deck level performance that can run anything on the Playstation Store, or "compatible games", I would be so stoked. 7" screen at 1080p, full size buttons and sticks, etc.
Yall hatting on portal just cause it's not a full blown system. You can still play any game you want anywhere u want. As long as you have wifi. It's 200 dollars what do you expect
@@garrett_9092Okay, next time you go camping, try bringing a PSP and a PS Portal with you. I guarantee you that you won't be touching one of those. And it's not because of the battery life.
This whole video has a lot of oversights. You need to understand form-factor has huge implications ti the limits of the device. - Keychain - Pocket - Portable - TV/Desktop - Room/Server
The easiest way to an Xbox Portable, is for MS to send millions of dollars to ASUS and have them make it. Seriously, the RoG Ally is that good, and the Ally X is even better. You throw in some Xbox decorations, and combine with next-gen chipset.... that is half the battle. All that is needed is for Xbox to handle the distribution and marketing, and porting all their first-party games. And for the greater MS to make the Lite-OS that can be used for it, and for other handheld companies (Lenovo, MSi, GPD, AYA, Valve...). Yet, I don't think this is the best solution. Keep in mind that MS has already invested billions into the xCloud Streaming platform. And they're adamant about it. So maybe the best idea is for them to have a Halo Product for this technology. I know that Apple is out, Google is out, and Samsung maybe too. But we can get partners from the likes of ASUS, Motorola, or even Xiaomi. They can make a flagship device that can rival the Pixel, Galaxy, iPhone.... AND have it competitively priced, market the hek out of it, and each unit would come with controllers (in the box) that slide into the phone. Also throw in a 1-Year free xCloud Ultimate subscription with each box. Yeah, then you have what Sony failed to do back in 2011 with the Xperia Play.
As for Sony, it make zero sense to go the route of a PSP-Phone. That ship has sailed. Now they can go the way of either a Pocketable Device (PS Vita Slim) or the route of a Portable Device (Valve SteamDeck OLED). Going with a pocketable device has many advantages. You don't need to bring a bag or backpack. Just grab it heading out with your keys, wallet, phone. It slides in your jeans or pocket, games nicely, then tucks away. It is an outdoors or On-The-Go device. But the physics of it, means comfort is usually capped to 30mins game time, and battery life to around 4 hours. Thermal wise, it will have a big heatsink and passively cooled, but chipset throttling 3W-8W power. Performance wise this range limits us greatly. Using current technology we are only expecting around PS4 levels, but next-gen technology can push this higher to PS4 Pro levels. What if we go Portable instead? I think that is the wiser move, as that seems to be what the market is going for now. And that would open up the thermal, price, performance, and ergonomics aspect. It is easy to game for 4 hours with the DS5 controller or the Valve SteamDeck. Thermals can help keep power fed 4W-12W-36W profiles, and stay warm with active cooling. Using older or current-gen technology can keep prices lower, and performance will range from slightly behind the XB1X to slightly ahead of the XSS. Or if using next-gen technology we could see it get close to a PS5 level of performance. Or more accurately, we can actually exceed the PS5 computational power, but we would make compromise of the graphics settings in resolution, dropping down (x4) from 2160p to 1080p, or (x2) from 1080p to 720p. On the smaller screen it would look just as good or even sharper. The major problem would be that this portable device would be expensive, and only come at the tail-end of the consoles lifecycle. So by the time the PS5-P becomes mainstream, the PS5 is already aged, and they're releasing the PS6. That might be okay for a bit, the concern is with the developers. As soon as these big publishers deem the PS5 a bit too weak, that also sacrifices the PS5-P as well, and we won't be getting those PS6 games ported to it. The only way around it, would potentially be this: over-engineer the PS5-P in terms of CPU, RAM, nVme.... but skimp out on the iGPU. Have it 1:1 compatible with the PS6 in terms of computation, so that porting games is possible. The iGPU vs dGPU factor would come in the form of the graphical fidelity. We are talking native 2160p vs 720p (x8), 120fps vs 30fps (x4), Very High Settings vs Medium Settings (x4). It wouldn't be flashiest, but it would work, and you could have your PS6 experience either in your living room, or in your commute. But this requires vision, and great planning.... I am not sure Sony has the leadership for such a business model.
And to add even more nuance to this! Any of the big corporations from Xbox, PlayStation, Nintendo, Valve, Tencent.... or even Apple/Google/Samsung can do this. And matching the computational needs is vital. The NSwitch is not a Home Console, it is a handheld, like the new2DS XL, and it is definitely NOT pocketable (3DS/PS Vita). I use this context, because the NSwitch cannot match the computational needs of the XB1 let alone the PS4. But it could have. Only if they used current-gen technology in 2016 instead of using old-gen 2014 technology. It is why we don't have any cross-platform games on it, outside of a few exceptions to the rule. The lack of iGPU performance on the NSwitch could have been averted by optimisations. But even more importantly, it could have regained the graphical fidelity by the use of an eGPU. Remember the dock! I think the ASUS ROG Ally makes a perfect case for this. On its own, it is playing XSS games at a slight/notable disadvantage. But if you have the xG-mobile dock, then suddenly your portable device becomes non-portable BUT the gaming performance shoots above the PS5 Pro. I think the player in the best position to do this innovation is.... Valve. The original SteamDeck was supposed to be a showcase back in 2020 along with AMD's RDNA-2 and the new consoles of XSS, PS5, XSX. Due to limitations with stock, then scalpers, chip shortages, and pand emic.... we actually had the SyeamDeck delayed it's unveiling/announcement, and subsequently released in Late-2022. It's 2025 now and those consoles are passed their midlife cycle. So the next-gen consoles may be released in 2027. That is just in time for Zen6 and RDNA-5 release. Rumours say that Sony will be playing it safe and use Zen5X and RDNA-4 instead to ensure supply and low cost. That gives Valve an opening. Over-engineer the SteamDeck-2 in terms of RAM, nVme, and CPU. Have a modest iGPU. And release a Dock, sold separately, that houses a powerful eGPU that can match the performance of the PS6. This would allow their next-gen console to be able to get next-gen ports of games. But that is what I think, what do you guys think ?
@ yeah, the Xperia, but that’s not the same. Having used the switch where there is no Wi-Fi, I had to use my phones 5g hotspot to connect but phones and switch don’t seem to play well together.
sony tried this with vita. 3g at the time but like everything they screwd it up. locking it into at@t and not allowing games to acully use it for multiplayer.
@@Patkilla7558 Sony are uniquely placed to run a digital store or subscription to legally access older titles. My point was that Austin was wrong in his statement that it's only a battery, controller & screen., while pointing out a potential use case for said other stuff. Ergo, valid argument.
Could you imagine the behemoth they could develop if they all collaborated? Pc, Sony and Microsoft. We'd have the ultimate console/handheld/games. The industry would advance exponentially. Possibly even bring about world peace.
I feel like you're not taking ARM into account. I think that development of that architecture would be the leap we need to shorten the difference between console/pc/handhelds. Like, people are doing some crazy things with windows emulators on android phones.
If they end up deciding to make a Vita 2/PSP 2 instead of a straight up portable PS5, then the only way it can be a success is if they get Rockstar to make a GTA game for it. Something in the style of the original GTA3, Vice and Andreas. Doesn't have to be as fully featured like GTA5/6 but something good enough is fine. The Vita died because there were very few games worth getting. The GTA stories on PSP were a great reason to pick one up. I bet if they made San Andreas Stories it would fly off the shelves and give developers an incentive to support the system.
The problem is battery power. They can put whatever chip they want into a handheld and it'll run PS5 games.... for about 5 minutes before the batteries die. In order to get PS5 level graphics, the chips need 200-300 watts of power. Currently handhelds run at 20-40 watts and barely last 2 hours (if you're lucky). Companies are waiting on 1 of 2 things to happen. Solid state batteries becoming more powerful and more economical or really powerful chips that run off of very little power. We just aren't there yet for either of those things
Well theres electricity everywhere. I'd rather have more power in a handheld and just have a really long power cord that has to be plugged in while gaming on. It can be a handheld but still use a power cable
naa you can do it on modern chips probly with a 130tdp. main reasion we wont need 4k. igus have been evolving rapidly in the last few years. but thats still alot to demand from anything battery powerd thats not a full size gamer laptop.
I got the portal and love it so Im probably the target customer. My son wants to play the PS5 more than I want him in the master bedroom. Now he can play it anywhere in the house.
I would love it, because the screen is smaller I don't mind the graphics being toned down, long as I get 40fps at least and maybe play games like last of us or even call of duty, I would love to take on holiday and play offline but be a bonus to play online. I used to love my vita play old school GTA with toned down graphics but it was smooth
Here is an idea for Microsoft… make it like the Lego with the kickstand and detectable controllers, but have both of the USB C ports on the top and allow it to connect magnetically to the surface keyboard via the bottom. Also do the windows gaming special interface you guys were talking about lol.
The price of hendhelds are more expensive not only because of the portability but because of the miniaturization and compact electronics. The other thing is hand-heldss are in trend now so companies know teen will pay anything to say they got the latest and in thing.
When PlayStation's actual portable console comes out if you could simply use this as a second player when you're on the go that would make this extremely valuable when that time comes. If you could do that with the ally x that would be even better.
I think alot of ppl are ignoring smart phones as a future viable option for natice handheld gaming. IPhone has shown that you can run AAA games on mobile devices. The new 8 elite chip can emulate windows games on android phones. Yes the performance aren't the best, but we're starting from a decent level of performance where we're at. Yeah a 1000 dollar phone is crazy expensive, but you're getting a fully fleged phone for it compared to a new handheld that won't have full windows anymore.
There is one thing Microsoft could do to give their handheld an edge over all the PC handhelds. They could update the OS for Xbox Series to also run PC games (since it's Windows underneath), then put that on their handheld. Suddenly, you're able to play all of the Xbox games, and all of the PC games. Their handheld and home console would have all of that stuff combined. Sure they would be competing with Steam, but they're all focused on putting Game Pass on everything, so at this point, it wouldn't matter. Something like this would give people the ability to have something they can sit down and play, with little setup, but if they wanna dive into the PC side of things, they can do that too. It'd definitely suck the people from two ecosystems into one that they are selling. Not to mention that a lot of the backwards compatible Xbox 360 games are better ways to play those games than the PC versions. A lot of the PC games from the earlier half of the Xbox 360's existence are poorly written and very buggy. As for Sony, I imagine that theirs would be a PS5 Portable, but they'll have to wait till they can make the chips at an affordable price. To be real though, I feel like the reason why Sony is bringing their content to PC is that they wanna double dip. They see PC as a separate market. So later on, when their game from a few years ago isn't really selling that much, they go ahead and port it to PC since the architecture is identical. They're doing what Rockstar Games does. As much as everyone praises Nintendo, if they did that, they'd probably get a bonus batch of sales on their games too. (NOTE: I'm not praising Sony. I still believe that Nintendo currently is making the better games.)
PlayStation saw portal backlash, then saw people making portable PlayStations and said, "we can make this too" On the flip side, I can just hook my phone up to a USB hub, connect HDMI, Ethernet, mouse and keyboard, then have a good experience on GeForce Now, or similar services that capture mouse input. 9/10 times latency is an issue because people forget packet loss is a thing... Hence the Ethernet cable.
It would be a $400-$600 device just like a steam deck or rog Ally. Those devices play games natively. Some of them can even play like Spider-Man which is already a PS5 game. So I expect the price to wind up in that range and to have either a 720P or 1080P screen. Possibly OLED. 60fps. Perfectly reasonable for handheld.
Gaming phone or tablet and a gamesir Galileo G8. Probably more portable than anything Xbox or Sony would ever come up with. The hardware is already available and inexpensive. Games for the platforms that the hardware supports needs to be developed. NOT NEW HARDWARE.
Really just plug the damned thing in and play or get a high powered usb-c gan charger and long highspeed usb-c cable and play plugged in I always did never bothered me same with my old PSP n steam deck!
Being a vita guy, over 500 physical games...one of the worries i have is....damn the replament battery is almost 80% unreliable...glad I have vita tv as backup
As a portal owner I literally own it to poo and smoke outside. I also am real cool with my neighbor so i go next door and just bring that over to play the game with them. I play COD, 2k25 and a lot of solo games on it.
I’ve had a portal since May 24. Since then 75% of my gaming has been on it. My switch has been literally gathering dust and my PS5 only sees my TV screen an hour or so a week. Everything else is portal and I play maybe 5 hours a day ish
I have said since the SteamDeck 1, handheld is the future. There is a DYI out right now in turning a PS5 into a tablet. Lenovo has proven that the Sweet spot for Big Handhelds is an 8.8-inch screen and the Switch Like Joycons (just Like Other $1000 units in the Wild). 200 for the ps portal (+) 500 for a PS5 (+) around 200 for Playstation Plus Premium. I can easily see a $1200 starting price.
From a hardware perspective, I'm sure a new PSP would be super impressive and I'm excited to see what it's like.. from a games perspective idk why I'd want it. Unless it's much smaller/lighter and has significantly better battery life than a Steam Deck with a somewhat comparable price point, idk if I can justify it. With the Switch, there's at least the incentive of (a large number of) exclusives on top of the price point, size/battery, etc. There just aren't a ton of PS-exclusives not on Steam that I want to play portably
I believe in the future meta wil be running the portable sector with the Quest line as it does everything from Mixed Reality VR gaming, music production, personal cinema, fitness plus more that no other potable device currently offers and it will do way more in the future amd they so update the device with new features every month and it also has xbox gaming
Looking at the landscape we all are in right now.. ROG Alley.. SteamDeck.. GPD.. and so many on.. CAN PLAY triple A games in a handheld.. the final step will always be the price.. Sony if you guys are planning to build 1 or 2.. you better not screwing up the price..
Steam deck has no real graphics capabilities and doesn't run any decent new games coming out and even less steam deck verified games that actually work also half the verified games controls don't work in game and there's no in game explanation on how to use game features on the steam deck either! Sorry but a real steam deck should be able to run any game on the steam network database and be 100% programmed to work every feature in every game! Also in steam half of peoples controllers and in game features don't work and you can't easily remap controller buttons and controls as steam can't be arsed in actually doing there job either! The deck is an underpowered pile of useless junk!
They shouldn't be thinking about making the current gen into a handheld but the previous gen. The Switch has showed that you don't need the latest and greatest graphics to be able to sell a lot of handhelds. Hell I would argue that the 360 and PS3 graphics still hold up in a lot of games such as Tomb Raider, I really wouldn't be disappointed if that were the generation they chose to turn into handhelds.
The question at the heart of this is "How many devices does your average consumer want to carry around with them at any given time?" I say 2-4. Watch & phone have become day-to-day needs... maybe headphones and then one other before it becomes cumbersome. Now will it be my iPad? My Switch? Laptop? Portal? Rather than a new hardware investment, I think Sony should start talking to Apple about taking advantage of some of the hardware on their next gen iPhones or iPads. Instead of a new Portal, maybe Sony should just buy out backbone and make their own hardware peripheral for current mobile phones.
I think both big players, should look at the wii U & implement it as whay we all wanted. Make the next gen consoles both docked & portable. Full power when docked & lower power when undocked....
Steam deck is PlayStation 4ish levels of performance. So it's 1080p 30 or maybe 1080p 60 depending on the game If it's a very demanding game upscale would be required. But it is playable. (I now steam deck resolution is 800p but the performance is PS4 like) Portably do I want more battery life are more power.... You have to choose. And it will be expensive.
I honestly think PlayStation can pull this off, they already had an entire line of successful handhelds that are still popular and relevant to this day (granted, mainly because of the jailbreaking community) but still, they have the experience to make gamers have that nostalgia of “remember when you were little and you could just play god of war on a handheld?” I think Microsoft is far less experienced in this, but it’ll be interesting to see if PlayStation still has it in them to pull this off, cause, again, there’s the experience of doing it many times, they can deliver on giving gamers a somewhat watered down version of flagship games, the one thing that did suck about that generation is that it was littered with atrocious ports and games, so I think they both should have a standard on what gets released for their relative handheld platforms
You will still need to sync it with PS5 and only work with a PS5 Pro Plus, which will be made after PS5 Pro, it won't be compatible will PS5 or PS5 Pro
The system people are asking for is a handheld that can play these new AAA titles. im thinking that to do that right now those handheld would be too big and uncomfortable and would probably cost $600+. Cloud gaming devices are the only way we'll get that right now.
When it comes to shrinking the cpu and reducing power, how about Sony using the Apple M1 or Qualcomm equivalent in their new PS Mobile handheld systems?
Matt, What if we just had PCs that could dual boot into an Xbox SSD or a PlayStation SSD and Xbox and PlayStation just had lists of certified PC hardware? Thoughts?
The Xbox handheld would be able to use the Blizz launcher. PlayStation has to come up with something as a launcher. PlayStation also has to come up with something affordable for the PS5 portable.
if only people were already carrying around capable hardware in their pockets… sony should leverage magsafe to make a dualsense controller that would be forward compatible, bonus points if it also had a cooling fan like RAZER magsafe one built in
3:10 an bro on RUclips, Named DIY perks made an PS5 "Tablet Edition" ,Premium build that he clains is roughly the same price as an normal ps5 so sony could do the same if they wanted.
Genuinely feel that if Sony developed a proper handheld PS5, they could justify any reasonable price increase by allowing native back compatibility all the way to PS1
Ngl being a single dad the portal comes in clutch and works 98% of the time flawlessly. I love it. I miss my Vita and psp but this helps bridge the gap.
I still have my Aqua Blue Bita and all the accessories and games that are all considered rare now. All in brand new condition...even the Pull N Go Folio case.
I’m an “Xbox guy” and I still have a PS Vita that I play on. I would love a new modern Vita that actually gets supported
It would have Minecraft and skyrim, exclusivey
psvita It's very good I've always dreamed of having it since the time it launched, I have the psp, a few years ago I chose the 3ds xl instead of the psvita I regret that the price went up a lot
@@dcm19870000 I actually bought the one I have now not too long ago and got Black ops game a 8GB Sony memory card and charger for $130 on EBay and it’s really easy to hack so I can get all the PS1 PSP and Vita games on it and I went with the Oled and it still looks really good for 2024
The Vita is a great retro gaming device too
I wanted one, but the places for a Vita seemed dodgy, so I ended up getting a Deck Oled and I have no regrets.
Rather than a portable ps5 (which would be expensive as hell), just make a portable ps4. It'll be able to play all 1300 ps4 games and could be priced at $399 or $299.
And you could just use an arm chip
PS4 pro portable that plays all ps4 games and over time be able to natively play ps5 games as they get closer to ps6 for $300~350 is possible.
@@Mrs.Twilight-wt6jb and you could call it the Switch... wait.
@@AG30native ps5 games on a $300 portable what are u smoking
@@beauburton_08People are always demanding the impossible 😅
I believe game saves should be cross-platform, allowing players to pick up where they left off regardless of the device or platform being used. I'm willing to purchase a game on multiple platforms - PC, PS5, Steam Deck, Switch, and Xbox - as long as my progress is synced across devices. This would be a great feature for Microsoft to adopt, especially under its 'Play Everywhere' initiative. By doing so, the term 'Everywhere' will truly live up to its name, extending beyond Windows, Xbox, and cloud-based services. Will we see this become a reality in the future?
Let’s be real the new Sony handheld is going to be the happy middle ground between late PS4 and the PS five just like how the PSP was a happy middle ground between late PS1 and the PS2 just like the PS Vita is the happy middle ground between the late PS3 and the PS4
Yeah no. Visually it's nowhere near ps1. I think you forgot how bad ps1 actually is.
Stop chat fuckery 🇯🇲
and that is good enough
Vita was between ps2 and ps3 graphics
Steam deck is about par with a PS4 in performance so if they’re going release one at less than $500 they’ll have to be around PS4 performance.
They may release a PS Portable Pro with PS4 pro performance at the $750 mark competing with ROG Ally and Legion Go or more likely they might wait for the Z2 Extreme chip and release the PS Portable Pro with PS5 performance using upscaling. Maybe it can have the native PS5 performance while plugged in? Depends on cooling.
The limiting factor in all of this is thermals and battery.
It’s much better not to be running these handhelds at maximum power while on battery.
PSP will forever keep a special place in my heart. I got my car stolen along with it in a parking lot where i was taking a program. Not even in a shady part of town ffs. I hate this world sometimes.
If they made a handheld with Steam Deck level performance that can run anything on the Playstation Store, or "compatible games", I would be so stoked. 7" screen at 1080p, full size buttons and sticks, etc.
you dont need 1080p on a 7 inch screen.
Microsoft did make an Xbox OS. It was called Windows 8
Windows 8 and 8.1 were garbage 🗑
I remember they tried pushing it with their Windows phones... and we all see how that went 😂
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@@MrRunItUpwho remembers the fact that win 10 was considered horrible back then and now is the equivalent to xp and win 11 is vista
@@ComicalDans313 No one, because it wasn't. Win 8 and 8.1 was disliked. Win 10 was loved from the get go.
@@Netrom. people initially hated the fact that there was like a billion updates
The portal is the equivalent to the Wii u
Except worse because it's a separate accessory.
Nah the wii u at least had extra use for the gamepad, same way the DS handled things
I love my ps portal. Ps5 everywhere (Holidays, trips, toilet, vissits, work😝) The Netherlands has great internetconnections
Yall hatting on portal just cause it's not a full blown system. You can still play any game you want anywhere u want. As long as you have wifi. It's 200 dollars what do you expect
@@garrett_9092Okay, next time you go camping, try bringing a PSP and a PS Portal with you. I guarantee you that you won't be touching one of those. And it's not because of the battery life.
Some variation of this story has run a couple of times a year since they ended the Vita with no forward movement so I’ll believe when I see it
the state of the handheld market has changed significantly since then
The market has changed though. There are more good handhelds now than ever before.
This whole video has a lot of oversights.
You need to understand form-factor has huge implications ti the limits of the device.
- Keychain
- Pocket
- Portable
- TV/Desktop
- Room/Server
The easiest way to an Xbox Portable, is for MS to send millions of dollars to ASUS and have them make it. Seriously, the RoG Ally is that good, and the Ally X is even better. You throw in some Xbox decorations, and combine with next-gen chipset.... that is half the battle. All that is needed is for Xbox to handle the distribution and marketing, and porting all their first-party games. And for the greater MS to make the Lite-OS that can be used for it, and for other handheld companies (Lenovo, MSi, GPD, AYA, Valve...).
Yet, I don't think this is the best solution. Keep in mind that MS has already invested billions into the xCloud Streaming platform. And they're adamant about it. So maybe the best idea is for them to have a Halo Product for this technology. I know that Apple is out, Google is out, and Samsung maybe too. But we can get partners from the likes of ASUS, Motorola, or even Xiaomi. They can make a flagship device that can rival the Pixel, Galaxy, iPhone.... AND have it competitively priced, market the hek out of it, and each unit would come with controllers (in the box) that slide into the phone. Also throw in a 1-Year free xCloud Ultimate subscription with each box. Yeah, then you have what Sony failed to do back in 2011 with the Xperia Play.
As for Sony, it make zero sense to go the route of a PSP-Phone. That ship has sailed. Now they can go the way of either a Pocketable Device (PS Vita Slim) or the route of a Portable Device (Valve SteamDeck OLED).
Going with a pocketable device has many advantages. You don't need to bring a bag or backpack. Just grab it heading out with your keys, wallet, phone. It slides in your jeans or pocket, games nicely, then tucks away. It is an outdoors or On-The-Go device. But the physics of it, means comfort is usually capped to 30mins game time, and battery life to around 4 hours. Thermal wise, it will have a big heatsink and passively cooled, but chipset throttling 3W-8W power. Performance wise this range limits us greatly. Using current technology we are only expecting around PS4 levels, but next-gen technology can push this higher to PS4 Pro levels.
What if we go Portable instead? I think that is the wiser move, as that seems to be what the market is going for now. And that would open up the thermal, price, performance, and ergonomics aspect. It is easy to game for 4 hours with the DS5 controller or the Valve SteamDeck. Thermals can help keep power fed 4W-12W-36W profiles, and stay warm with active cooling. Using older or current-gen technology can keep prices lower, and performance will range from slightly behind the XB1X to slightly ahead of the XSS. Or if using next-gen technology we could see it get close to a PS5 level of performance. Or more accurately, we can actually exceed the PS5 computational power, but we would make compromise of the graphics settings in resolution, dropping down (x4) from 2160p to 1080p, or (x2) from 1080p to 720p. On the smaller screen it would look just as good or even sharper. The major problem would be that this portable device would be expensive, and only come at the tail-end of the consoles lifecycle. So by the time the PS5-P becomes mainstream, the PS5 is already aged, and they're releasing the PS6. That might be okay for a bit, the concern is with the developers. As soon as these big publishers deem the PS5 a bit too weak, that also sacrifices the PS5-P as well, and we won't be getting those PS6 games ported to it.
The only way around it, would potentially be this: over-engineer the PS5-P in terms of CPU, RAM, nVme.... but skimp out on the iGPU. Have it 1:1 compatible with the PS6 in terms of computation, so that porting games is possible. The iGPU vs dGPU factor would come in the form of the graphical fidelity. We are talking native 2160p vs 720p (x8), 120fps vs 30fps (x4), Very High Settings vs Medium Settings (x4). It wouldn't be flashiest, but it would work, and you could have your PS6 experience either in your living room, or in your commute.
But this requires vision, and great planning.... I am not sure Sony has the leadership for such a business model.
And to add even more nuance to this!
Any of the big corporations from Xbox, PlayStation, Nintendo, Valve, Tencent.... or even Apple/Google/Samsung can do this.
And matching the computational needs is vital. The NSwitch is not a Home Console, it is a handheld, like the new2DS XL, and it is definitely NOT pocketable (3DS/PS Vita). I use this context, because the NSwitch cannot match the computational needs of the XB1 let alone the PS4. But it could have. Only if they used current-gen technology in 2016 instead of using old-gen 2014 technology. It is why we don't have any cross-platform games on it, outside of a few exceptions to the rule.
The lack of iGPU performance on the NSwitch could have been averted by optimisations. But even more importantly, it could have regained the graphical fidelity by the use of an eGPU. Remember the dock!
I think the ASUS ROG Ally makes a perfect case for this. On its own, it is playing XSS games at a slight/notable disadvantage. But if you have the xG-mobile dock, then suddenly your portable device becomes non-portable BUT the gaming performance shoots above the PS5 Pro.
I think the player in the best position to do this innovation is.... Valve. The original SteamDeck was supposed to be a showcase back in 2020 along with AMD's RDNA-2 and the new consoles of XSS, PS5, XSX. Due to limitations with stock, then scalpers, chip shortages, and pand emic.... we actually had the SyeamDeck delayed it's unveiling/announcement, and subsequently released in Late-2022. It's 2025 now and those consoles are passed their midlife cycle. So the next-gen consoles may be released in 2027. That is just in time for Zen6 and RDNA-5 release. Rumours say that Sony will be playing it safe and use Zen5X and RDNA-4 instead to ensure supply and low cost. That gives Valve an opening. Over-engineer the SteamDeck-2 in terms of RAM, nVme, and CPU. Have a modest iGPU. And release a Dock, sold separately, that houses a powerful eGPU that can match the performance of the PS6. This would allow their next-gen console to be able to get next-gen ports of games.
But that is what I think, what do you guys think ?
I’m just waiting till they put 5g connectivity into handhelds. Considering most games are online games it makes sense.
I think Sony at one point tried making a “gaming” phone with button and everything
@ yeah, the Xperia, but that’s not the same. Having used the switch where there is no Wi-Fi, I had to use my phones 5g hotspot to connect but phones and switch don’t seem to play well together.
sony tried this with vita. 3g at the time but like everything they screwd it up. locking it into at@t and not allowing games to acully use it for multiplayer.
1:15 - Aman brother.
Handhelds are going to be the future of gaming
The PlayStation Portal is more than a screen, controller & battery... it contains a Snapdragon 662 & could run emulation for PS1 & PS2 natively.
But, you can run emulation on any device for PS1 and 2 games. That isn't a valid argument.
@@Patkilla7558 Sony are uniquely placed to run a digital store or subscription to legally access older titles. My point was that Austin was wrong in his statement that it's only a battery, controller & screen., while pointing out a potential use case for said other stuff. Ergo, valid argument.
I Had A PS1~PS2 & PSP Emulator On A Tablet
Could you imagine the behemoth they could develop if they all collaborated? Pc, Sony and Microsoft. We'd have the ultimate console/handheld/games. The industry would advance exponentially. Possibly even bring about world peace.
"Kid behind the camera here" 😂 agp we miss you
They aren't to be trusted, they'll dump it as soon as they can...
Making something good the first time just makes it harder to make it good the second time
I feel like you're not taking ARM into account.
I think that development of that architecture would be the leap we need to shorten the difference between console/pc/handhelds.
Like, people are doing some crazy things with windows emulators on android phones.
He’s not lying I specifically use my portable to keep playing while I’m on the toilet or when my kids are hogging my TV.
This is all about PSP- ness let’s gooooo
I bought a psp 1000 just a few months before and still don't regret it.
Duck shirt, ducks. There's ducks on your shirt... again.
If they end up deciding to make a Vita 2/PSP 2 instead of a straight up portable PS5, then the only way it can be a success is if they get Rockstar to make a GTA game for it. Something in the style of the original GTA3, Vice and Andreas. Doesn't have to be as fully featured like GTA5/6 but something good enough is fine. The Vita died because there were very few games worth getting. The GTA stories on PSP were a great reason to pick one up. I bet if they made San Andreas Stories it would fly off the shelves and give developers an incentive to support the system.
vita died becouse gamers rejected all the gimmics and steep price. sony had some huge egos thought people would buy there stuff no matter what.
The problem is battery power. They can put whatever chip they want into a handheld and it'll run PS5 games.... for about 5 minutes before the batteries die. In order to get PS5 level graphics, the chips need 200-300 watts of power. Currently handhelds run at 20-40 watts and barely last 2 hours (if you're lucky). Companies are waiting on 1 of 2 things to happen. Solid state batteries becoming more powerful and more economical or really powerful chips that run off of very little power. We just aren't there yet for either of those things
Well theres electricity everywhere. I'd rather have more power in a handheld and just have a really long power cord that has to be plugged in while gaming on. It can be a handheld but still use a power cable
naa you can do it on modern chips probly with a 130tdp. main reasion we wont need 4k. igus have been evolving rapidly in the last few years. but thats still alot to demand from anything battery powerd thats not a full size gamer laptop.
The portal is for pooping. Best Line of 2024. 😂
What was the point of Austin rizzing up the entire audience @5:58?
I got the portal and love it so Im probably the target customer. My son wants to play the PS5 more than I want him in the master bedroom. Now he can play it anywhere in the house.
The Z2 Extreme Chip is months away according to news. If this has anything similar to that power it’d be impressive
z2 are not impressing me at all. there not even based on strix halo.
I would love it, because the screen is smaller I don't mind the graphics being toned down, long as I get 40fps at least and maybe play games like last of us or even call of duty, I would love to take on holiday and play offline but be a bonus to play online. I used to love my vita play old school GTA with toned down graphics but it was smooth
Be kinda cool and nostalgic if they name it the P5P.
I hope this time that they make their portable actually portable, I miss the days of being able to have a handheld in my pocket
Not gonna happen unless you potentially mean huge cargo pant pockets
@ I know I know. I just miss that era of handhelds of just taking a Gameboy or a PSP with you in your backpocket
The PS Portal is very nice if you are a gaming dad that doesn't get to use the "real" tv very often lol
Here is an idea for Microsoft… make it like the Lego with the kickstand and detectable controllers, but have both of the USB C ports on the top and allow it to connect magnetically to the surface keyboard via the bottom. Also do the windows gaming special interface you guys were talking about lol.
The price of hendhelds are more expensive not only because of the portability but because of the miniaturization and compact electronics.
The other thing is hand-heldss are in trend now so companies know teen will pay anything to say they got the latest and in thing.
When PlayStation's actual portable console comes out if you could simply use this as a second player when you're on the go that would make this extremely valuable when that time comes. If you could do that with the ally x that would be even better.
Mean well my walmart has a whole shelf locked up with em lol 😆
That part you glossed over is right. It’s not ps5 portable it’s ps6. They’re making two new Os’s right now
I think alot of ppl are ignoring smart phones as a future viable option for natice handheld gaming. IPhone has shown that you can run AAA games on mobile devices. The new 8 elite chip can emulate windows games on android phones. Yes the performance aren't the best, but we're starting from a decent level of performance where we're at. Yeah a 1000 dollar phone is crazy expensive, but you're getting a fully fleged phone for it compared to a new handheld that won't have full windows anymore.
If I could have a handheld that dual booted Xbox OS and Bazzite, I'd be a really happy camper! 🎉
I read an article where it mentiones the addition is cloud gaming
There is one thing Microsoft could do to give their handheld an edge over all the PC handhelds. They could update the OS for Xbox Series to also run PC games (since it's Windows underneath), then put that on their handheld. Suddenly, you're able to play all of the Xbox games, and all of the PC games. Their handheld and home console would have all of that stuff combined.
Sure they would be competing with Steam, but they're all focused on putting Game Pass on everything, so at this point, it wouldn't matter. Something like this would give people the ability to have something they can sit down and play, with little setup, but if they wanna dive into the PC side of things, they can do that too. It'd definitely suck the people from two ecosystems into one that they are selling.
Not to mention that a lot of the backwards compatible Xbox 360 games are better ways to play those games than the PC versions. A lot of the PC games from the earlier half of the Xbox 360's existence are poorly written and very buggy.
As for Sony, I imagine that theirs would be a PS5 Portable, but they'll have to wait till they can make the chips at an affordable price.
To be real though, I feel like the reason why Sony is bringing their content to PC is that they wanna double dip. They see PC as a separate market. So later on, when their game from a few years ago isn't really selling that much, they go ahead and port it to PC since the architecture is identical. They're doing what Rockstar Games does.
As much as everyone praises Nintendo, if they did that, they'd probably get a bonus batch of sales on their games too. (NOTE: I'm not praising Sony. I still believe that Nintendo currently is making the better games.)
PlayStation saw portal backlash, then saw people making portable PlayStations and said, "we can make this too"
On the flip side, I can just hook my phone up to a USB hub, connect HDMI, Ethernet, mouse and keyboard, then have a good experience on GeForce Now, or similar services that capture mouse input. 9/10 times latency is an issue because people forget packet loss is a thing... Hence the Ethernet cable.
It would be a $400-$600 device just like a steam deck or rog Ally. Those devices play games natively. Some of them can even play like Spider-Man which is already a PS5 game. So I expect the price to wind up in that range and to have either a 720P or 1080P screen. Possibly OLED. 60fps. Perfectly reasonable for handheld.
I heard rumors that Xbox has plans on releasing a PC/console hybrid system while also releasing a handheld along with it
Gaming phone or tablet and a gamesir Galileo G8. Probably more portable than anything Xbox or Sony would ever come up with. The hardware is already available and inexpensive. Games for the platforms that the hardware supports needs to be developed. NOT NEW HARDWARE.
as a gameboy color, sega gamegear, and PSP owner...ill wait till handhelds can reach 6+hours on battery.
Your gamegear can get double that with a screen mod and some good batterys.
@@tokin420nchokin I would never! stock only
Really just plug the damned thing in and play or get a high powered usb-c gan charger and long highspeed usb-c cable and play plugged in I always did never bothered me same with my old PSP n steam deck!
@@andrewwalker8312 just want I want to be tied to an outlet as I game on the go...can use an outlet outside. SO ill wait till its worth buying one
Being a vita guy, over 500 physical games...one of the worries i have is....damn the replament battery is almost 80% unreliable...glad I have vita tv as backup
same issue with the og psp. all the batterys are just old stock. old stock way past its lifespan.
I was the one person at my LGS who pre ordered a portal and it took til nearly 6 months after release to get my PRE ORDER in. Lol
I think that the success of the steam deck is whats spurring all these portables.
It's not back, it's rumored, quite a difference.
As a portal owner I literally own it to poo and smoke outside. I also am real cool with my neighbor so i go next door and just bring that over to play the game with them. I play COD, 2k25 and a lot of solo games on it.
I wish the portal could rotate the grips for better ergonomics
The only console coming that matters is the new switch that will be the equivalent of a PS4. I can't wait.
Arm handhelds with passive cooling and 20 hour battery life are coming.
To be fair, like Steam Deck has Proton, Box32 and Box64 already exist to emulate X86/64 instruction sets on arm.
I’ve had a portal since May 24. Since then 75% of my gaming has been on it. My switch has been literally gathering dust and my PS5 only sees my TV screen an hour or so a week. Everything else is portal and I play maybe 5 hours a day ish
I’m planning on getting a Switch 2, backwards compatibility was a big factor in my decision
I still have not seen a ps portal in person here in slovenia. Ps5 was here launch day
Let's be entirely serious. IF Sony makes a new hand held, it WILL get hacked and it WILL be capable of emulating A LOT of relatively new gen consoles
even if its x86 its still a mobile chip. good luck emulating anything past ps3. we are not even there on desktops yet.
I have said since the SteamDeck 1, handheld is the future. There is a DYI out right now in turning a PS5 into a tablet. Lenovo has proven that the Sweet spot for Big Handhelds is an 8.8-inch screen and the Switch Like Joycons (just Like Other $1000 units in the Wild).
200 for the ps portal (+) 500 for a PS5 (+) around 200 for Playstation Plus Premium.
I can easily see a $1200 starting price.
From a hardware perspective, I'm sure a new PSP would be super impressive and I'm excited to see what it's like.. from a games perspective idk why I'd want it. Unless it's much smaller/lighter and has significantly better battery life than a Steam Deck with a somewhat comparable price point, idk if I can justify it. With the Switch, there's at least the incentive of (a large number of) exclusives on top of the price point, size/battery, etc. There just aren't a ton of PS-exclusives not on Steam that I want to play portably
I poop and game 😅 I take long in the bathroom soo I love having a portable game it's enjoyable and just being honest.
If you are going to be able to play games from all generations it could be a hit
PC (handheld or otherwise) + nintendo handheld is always my answer
I believe in the future meta wil be running the portable sector with the Quest line as it does everything from Mixed Reality VR gaming, music production, personal cinema, fitness plus more that no other potable device currently offers and it will do way more in the future amd they so update the device with new features every month and it also has xbox gaming
Looking at the landscape we all are in right now.. ROG Alley.. SteamDeck.. GPD.. and so many on.. CAN PLAY triple A games in a handheld.. the final step will always be the price.. Sony if you guys are planning to build 1 or 2.. you better not screwing up the price..
Hell with the portal
There is a prominent handheld system that remote play with sony consoles its called The Stem Deck.
Steam deck has no real graphics capabilities and doesn't run any decent new games coming out and even less steam deck verified games that actually work also half the verified games controls don't work in game and there's no in game explanation on how to use game features on the steam deck either! Sorry but a real steam deck should be able to run any game on the steam network database and be 100% programmed to work every feature in every game! Also in steam half of peoples controllers and in game features don't work and you can't easily remap controller buttons and controls as steam can't be arsed in actually doing there job either! The deck is an underpowered pile of useless junk!
They shouldn't be thinking about making the current gen into a handheld but the previous gen. The Switch has showed that you don't need the latest and greatest graphics to be able to sell a lot of handhelds. Hell I would argue that the 360 and PS3 graphics still hold up in a lot of games such as Tomb Raider, I really wouldn't be disappointed if that were the generation they chose to turn into handhelds.
They should name the Xbox handheld, "Xbox Go"
zune 360
A true portable PlayStation I will buy. Take my money Sony.
The question at the heart of this is "How many devices does your average consumer want to carry around with them at any given time?" I say 2-4. Watch & phone have become day-to-day needs... maybe headphones and then one other before it becomes cumbersome. Now will it be my iPad? My Switch? Laptop? Portal? Rather than a new hardware investment, I think Sony should start talking to Apple about taking advantage of some of the hardware on their next gen iPhones or iPads. Instead of a new Portal, maybe Sony should just buy out backbone and make their own hardware peripheral for current mobile phones.
Lol just waiting for people to mod the new portal console. 🤣
If this was a few minutes longer you could almost make this a podcast.
I can’t wait for jailbreak next gen psp to play every emu console on it
And switch 2😂
Xbox series s handheld with xbox operating system would be amazing in 2 years
I think both big players, should look at the wii U & implement it as whay we all wanted.
Make the next gen consoles both docked & portable.
Full power when docked & lower power when undocked....
If Xbox & Play Station do handhelds I want to see cartridges & memory cards from them because I hate all digital.
Steam deck is PlayStation 4ish levels of performance.
So it's 1080p 30 or maybe 1080p 60 depending on the game If it's a very demanding game upscale would be required. But it is playable. (I now steam deck resolution is 800p but the performance is PS4 like)
Portably do I want more battery life are more power.... You have to choose.
And it will be expensive.
We need mini discs back sony
I honestly think PlayStation can pull this off, they already had an entire line of successful handhelds that are still popular and relevant to this day (granted, mainly because of the jailbreaking community) but still, they have the experience to make gamers have that nostalgia of “remember when you were little and you could just play god of war on a handheld?”
I think Microsoft is far less experienced in this, but it’ll be interesting to see if PlayStation still has it in them to pull this off, cause, again, there’s the experience of doing it many times, they can deliver on giving gamers a somewhat watered down version of flagship games, the one thing that did suck about that generation is that it was littered with atrocious ports and games, so I think they both should have a standard on what gets released for their relative handheld platforms
it will be better then psvr also can work standalone 500-700$
The steam deck is so perfect for me i dont need anything else. I just wish they would sort out the anticheat issues
You will still need to sync it with PS5 and only work with a PS5 Pro Plus, which will be made after PS5 Pro, it won't be compatible will PS5 or PS5 Pro
The system people are asking for is a handheld that can play these new AAA titles. im thinking that to do that right now those handheld would be too big and uncomfortable and would probably cost $600+. Cloud gaming devices are the only way we'll get that right now.
When it comes to shrinking the cpu and reducing power, how about Sony using the Apple M1 or Qualcomm equivalent in their new PS Mobile handheld systems?
Matt, What if we just had PCs that could dual boot into an Xbox SSD or a PlayStation SSD and Xbox and PlayStation just had lists of certified PC hardware? Thoughts?
The Xbox handheld would be able to use the Blizz launcher. PlayStation has to come up with something as a launcher.
PlayStation also has to come up with something affordable for the PS5 portable.
if only people were already carrying around capable hardware in their pockets…
sony should leverage magsafe to make a dualsense controller that would be forward compatible, bonus points if it also had a cooling fan like RAZER magsafe one built in
Xbox doesn't need a handheld portable, I can play Xbox games with my phone and a backbone.
So its just a portal. That lets you Actually play your library.
3:10 an bro on RUclips, Named DIY perks made an PS5 "Tablet Edition" ,Premium build that he clains is roughly the same price as an normal ps5 so sony could do the same if they wanted.
Hear me out imagine apple handheld with their silicone 👀 imagine if games were optimized for that monster power
The duck shirt looks great!
As a dad the portal is cool. As a gamer the portal is pretty lame.
The ps5 handheld doesn't need to be as powerful as a ps5. Handheld gaming only needs 1080 or at most 1440 to look good on that small of screen.
Genuinely feel that if Sony developed a proper handheld PS5, they could justify any reasonable price increase by allowing native back compatibility all the way to PS1
Sony needs to remake the Ps Vita and make it work without internet
i just realized portal couldn’t do cloud gaming