This sums up the ENTIRE Star Trek Universe: Sarek: "Kirk, I thank you. What you have done is...." Kirk: "What I have done, I had to do." Sarek: "But at what cost? Your ship. Your son." Kirk: "If I hadn't tried, the cost would have been my soul." Can't get much better than that.
I can remember, when sitting in the theater and seeing the Enterprise get destroyed, that nearly the ENTIRE audience stood up and shouted "NOOOOOOOOOOO!...it was amazing.
To create a follow up to a major hit like The Wrath of Khan is a daunting task and I would use The Search For Spock as the prime example of what to do! The tone, the themes, the unexpectedness of the script... it's perfect! The summer of 1982 and the summer of 1984 remain the zenith of American film in my heart and in my mind. So many great, innovative works that have all stood the test of time. I doubt we will ever see another time like them.
I just watched "For the Love of Spock" a documentary about Leonard Nimoy directed by his son on Adam on the SyFy channel. It was made very recently after the death of Mr. Nimoy in 2015. It shows how he struggled with his inner deamons, alcoholism, divorce, estrangement from his son and having to deal with his persona of Spock on and off screen. It is a very nice documentary and if you haven't seen it. I highly suggest you do as it shows the things he went through during his life after playing an immortal role of a half human, half Vulcan who had to supress his emotions and embrace logic on a Starship surrounded by illogical, emotion filled humans. Shatner as Capt.Kirk might have had to billing but, it wa Nimoy who was the real star and knowing Shatners ego, I'm sure he resented it. Fimd it, watch it and "Live Long and Prosper. Rest in Peace Mr. Leonard Nimoy. I was lucky to meet him at a convention in the late 70's in Philadelphia and got his autograph and a picture with him. I also got a picture of Yeoman Rand giving me a kiss on the cheek. A day I will never forget.
R.I.P. to both Nimoy and Whitney. I remember thinking Grace Lee Whitney was finer than frog hair when I was first discovering TOS in and around 1984. To a 7 year old, she was HOT. Still is, by all accounts, when you watch those old episodes. I was really saddened to eventually find her backstory when she passed away in 2016, I believe it was. Like Leonard, she had some real demons that followed her for her entire life. And I agree about For The Love Of Spock; I have it in my digital download collection. It really is a great film.
@@brettcooper3893 and aslo RIP to James and gene and Ricardo and eve. Merritt and mark lenrid. And may Nimoy rest in peace the. An was quite the legend
You're wrong about Christopher Lloyd being out of place as a Klingon in Search For Spock! LIoyd played the role uniquely given the redesign of the Klingons from the 60's Star Trek. Whereas the movie versions looked more alien and far more aggressive looking unlike the previous more human appearances they had in the TV series originally. LIoyd's Commander Kruge was a clear and easy influence on Michael Dorn's Lt Worf on Star Trek: The Next Generation. As no Klingon previously looked like his from the previous iteration, unless it was from the same time as the (then) ongoing Trek movies which the original cast were then filming. Christopher Lloyd to so many Trek fans has played one of the most badass Klingons in existence. No actor since dare i say it, has played one so brutal or as charismatic with a powerful screen presence then or since as Christopher Lloyd!
His performance is as good as you say. The problem was, when the movie came out, just how distracting it was to have Reverend Jim, who made us scream with laughter every night for years on Taxi, coming out of a Klingon.
VERY underrated film. It's damn good with a tremendous sense of nostalgia. Kirstey Ally did not return for the part because she was offered less money than ST2. A huge missed opportunity.
I was 9 when this movie came out. I remember where I was when I first saw the preview and the Enterprise burning up. Think it caused me depression for many years....
ST3 is 2nd after Khan, the friendships of the characters even the small part with uhura was great her last line to kirk was so heart felt. James Horner is the best and makes you feel the tension. Just a fun flic
I believe your beginning is a bit off. Nimoy and others are quoted in several places stating that the only way Nimoy would reprise the role of Spock was if he also directed.
The ironic thing is that I thought that Christopher Lloyd (sp?) did a great job with the Klingon Language. He did something that Michael Dorn could not: make it sound like the language was ACTUALLY BEING SPOKEN as opposed to reading lines.
So, you're saying that he had the right numbers, that he was no showroom dummy, more than just an operator with a pocket calculator? Nice moniker, BTW. :)
In order to use the ST II Genesis demo again, they'd have to pay actress Bibi Besch a royalty for reusing her footage. Using Kirk was a money-saver since Bill Shatner was already in the film.
ST3 is good, but it is a little unbelievable that Kirk would break so many rules and laws just to give Spock a proper Vulcan burial. But it gets overshadowed by the idea that Spock came back to life, and that becomes why they do it. It might have been better if they had gotten some broken report about Spock maybe being alive, and the Klingons being in the area.
1:52, so wish that shot of the scene of Kirk Meeting McCoy in the elevator was in the film. It was seen in the comic book adaptation and featured Kirk meeting the crazed McCoy (with Spock's Katra) much earlier in the film.
My favorite of all the Star Trek films. It's got humor, danger, adventure, and heart. Every character gets a chance to shine, and every one has to make the decision to risk it all to save their friend. Every single actor at the top of their game.
And now it seems they have to destroy the Enterprise in every Theatrical series. TOS... Destroys the Enterprise, TNG... Destroys the Enterprise, Star Trek Reboot... Destroys the Enterprise. 😴
The stealing of the Enterprise is very much one of my favorites as well, and the destruction of her only a little while later - made it so very epic. :)
Christopher Lloyd did a great job playing "crazy" on Taxi and Back to the Future. He should not be confused with another Christopher Lloyd who, I believe, works at Paramount. There are many Star Trek references in "Frasier", including his son delivering a speech in Klingon.
Actually, it was Frasier who accidentally blessed his son in Klingon after disappointing a Trek fan who was working at his studio. I actually found the scene here on RUclips. Hilarious would be understating it!
The wolf getting shot in Dances with Wolves and the USS Enterprise being destroyed are two of the most difficult moments for me to watch in movies. HOW can someone think the Enterprise isn't beautiful? OMG. The TOS was great, but the movie remakes in I II and III is elegant and awesome.
One of the things I like about this film is more inclusion of the other characters such as: Scotty, Sulu, Chekov and Uhura; not just the usual Kirk, Spock and McCoy.
I think Nimoy nailed it considering the doubt shadowing his performance and the budget made available. Star Trek III to me is the most emotional movie in the series which is what really draws my interest and long lasting attachment to a film. For this reason it the most replayed move from them all in my home. Nimoy made us feel the the emotional attachments of the characters as well as the feelings of discovery, loss and desperation as they venture into a recovery mission which goes horribly wrong. Its by no means a perfect movie however Trek is rarely perfect.
There's a video on RUclips somewhere where Kirstie Alley recounts being offered Saavik for III but says it was a half-assed offer that she couldn't accept. Also, it was reported in various places that the idea of destroying the Enterprise originated with Ken Ralston, who didn't like filming the model for the reasons given here. But who knows, maybe Harve Bennett had the same idea independently? In any case, he wouldn't have gone with it had it not worked for him dramatically. .............. Interesting that Edward James Olmos was Nimoy's first choice for Kruge! I'd never heard that before!
I think it's a very good movie. It shows the love and loyalty between characters. Everyone, especially Kirk, willingly risks their careers and lives to save Spock's essence. The death of David is a well done scene. Shatner missing his chair and sitting down heavily on the deck shows how staggered he was by David's loss. The destruction of the Big E is a watershed moment. I didn't know the film's box office was quite that high. Very good. Christopher Lloyd was good, but it might have been fun to bring back Michael Ansara or John Colicos to play Kruge. Nimoy did a fone job as director. Bringing back Horner to do the score was the right call- his work is excellent, and it did give a certain continuity, as u pointed out
Not sure where the rumor came from, but it's not true that Kirstie Alley didn't return due to fear of being typecast. The issue was due to money. She wanted nearly as much as DeForest Kelley was getting. They could not come to compromise, so she was recast. Of Curtis' performance, she stated, "I think she did a fine job. I have no problem with what she was doing except that, when I saw the film, I said, 'She isn't Saavik. I am.'" I couldn't agree more. They simply should've have Curtis play a different character. Oh, and not given her a mullet.
One thing people often mistake is that this movie is about Spock. But when you really think about it it isn't. People use it to prove the great friendship between Kirk and Spock and even the writers in the next movie talk of the sacrifices Kirk made to save Spock. But initially Kirk wasn't doing it for Spock - it was for McCoy. Up until the end as far as Kirk knows Spock is dead. McCoy is suffering from a Vulcan Mind meld and for some odd reason Sarek insists they need Spock's body to help McCoy. We, the audience, see the film from an omniscient perspective. We know Spock is alive from the start. But not Kirk or Sarek or McCoy. The Search for Spock is really The Search for Spock's Corpse as far as Kirk is concerned. And the sacrifices made were to save McCoy not Spock.
Just need to point out, it was the one and only time anyone would cry at seeing the Enterprise destroyed. Up to this point, and never repeated, she was an uncredited character to the franchise and many people had much love for her. RIP NCC 1701
While I agree, because of the change we got a fully formed Klingon Language out of it, so I am torn. I would have loved to have seen the Romulans in this movie!
Also; in the long run it worked out better as it was the Klingons who kill David and thus give Kirk so much reason to hate them, which plays out nicely in Undiscovered Country. Additionally, having Klingons as the primary antagonists in the TOS era worked well not only with ST6 bringing that conflict to a close, but with Klingons being Fed allies in the TNG era, that gave the Romulans much more chance to shine in the TNG era, thus becoming a true top tier villain for the better part of that entire era... leading to the awesome moment in Nemesis where Commander Donatra lends surprise aid to the Enterprise-E. The only real long lasting negative of having Klingons as a last minute swap out for the Romulans in ST3 is the whole Bird of Prey confusion... not a real big deal overall, though. Klingons and Romulans had been shown to share tech in the TOS era already (see: The Enterprise Incident). Perhaps the KBOP was a class of ship that the Romulans were not happy with and brokered a trade for them (with cloaking) in exchange for the Klingon D-7's we saw the Romulans using in Enterprise Incident.
Love these! Please continue! Great compilation of rarely seen photos and video snippets. Where did you find that Shatner TV interview ? Lol. Please keep it up!
I read Kirstie didn't return to play Saavik because the studio turned her down when she asked for as much money as Shatner and Nimoy were getting paid.
Ive seen an interview with her where she said that when they approched her she asked for more money thinking they would counter proposal, instead they just signed someone else thinking she wasnt interested. She said she was very interested at the time, though this may be a story she has developed over the years.
I looked at this Movie the same I looked at the animated version of Transformers the Movie. I hated when the Enterprise was destroyed just like when Optimus Prime Died.
I loved this film as a kid and continue to love it to this day. Lloyd was a fantastic Klingon. Brutal, singularly obsessed, and warlike without all the “honor” overload of the next generation. This Klingon was vicious and not noble at all. I prefer my Klingons like this!
"Excelsior was Far better design. Sleeker and more modern." Really? I've always seen it as fat and bulky, with the refit Enterprise being the sleek model, and timeless. IMO of course.
Still my favorite of the movies. Feels like a two part episode from the TV series and also has some of the best music/visuals (what idiot critics think the special effects are bad?). I also find it refreshing that a movie focused on Spock and directed by the actor who plays him actually features very little of the namesake character. It showed that Leonard Nimoy didn't push his character to be the focus. In many ways, this movie is more about Kirk and his son and even the Enterprise itself than anything to do with Spock. And everyone else got some of their best moments in the series. They also recasted Saavik perfectly. And I wish she had the role in Wrath of Khan as well. And thank GOD they got Horner back. He should have done every movie in my opinion.
Too bad about the no budget to film on site for Genesis... The 'set' backgrounds look like set backgrounds and it gives it a cheap TV show like feel. Probably my 2nd favorite Star Trek movie after WOK.
Three was the perfect stepping stone between 2 and 4. Christopher Lloyd has been brilliant in many movies and TV shows, he really was an odd choice for a Klingon. His voice just never worked for the character, where as Doc Brown full on perfect.
for anyone who thinks the refit is ugly i just want to know what ship is better? the refit IMO is the best looking ship in the franchise and it still looks amazing today. i like all the subsequent enterprises too but this one just always does it for me.
I think you missed the stuff about them using the Klingons partially as a budget saving method due the fact the they already had costumes left over from TMP and the bridge of the BOP being a holdover from a, still to this day unnamed, scifi project that was cancelled and re-purposed for the film.
The idea of using the Romulans was there from the beginning, yes. However, the budget was quite limited and they knew they had a dozen Klingon uniforms already in storage that could easily be reused. This was much cheaper than making new uniforms for Romulan characters. So, as per usual, they decided to reuse the uniforms and make the Romulans into Klingons. Story elements like the BOP, which was never before a Klingon term, were ported over. The bridge of the KBOP was a reuse from another sci-fi production that was cancelled. We have still never learned what this film or series was. This is also not a new thing in the industry. After Masters Of The Universe 2 collapsed much of the work done on it was re-purposed for the film Cyborg.
In the original script Spock was going to have a child That’s why she was left on the planet in the next movie to have his child Wouldn’t that have changed a lot of the story That was in the star log magazine when the movie came out
True. Later novels don't even mention that though. One suggests that she rejouned Star Fleet and served on another ship before returning to Vulcan. Another that she later bonded with Spock and they both went to Romulus separately and started to feel Pon Far on the return home to get married. Wishful thinking, but it beats killing her off entirely. My friend Jean is a lot like her and is in the USS Navy.
I agree with you about Christopher Lloyd. His look was good, but his voice and delivery didn't feel right. Maybe it's because the character is a little one-sided. I thought the film is not bad, not bad at all. But it lacked dramatic pizzazz, I feel, and has a one-note quality. Also, why didn't the klingon ship shoot them IMMEDIATELY after uncloaking? HOW exactly did Scotty open the space doors from space? Overall, though, probably the best odd-numbered ST movie
Why did everybody think Mr.Nimoy hated playing Spock? If anybody hated playing his character it was Shanter. You would think an Anti Matter explosion coupled with the Dilithium Crystals, all in the engine room would have blown the ship to hell instead of it eating it away from the front of the Saucer Section. Would have looked much better as if real and would have been more practical and efficient also.
The reason the ship's warp core didn't overload and release the antimatter was because of the specific type of self-destruct that Kirk ordered. 000-destruct-0 was specifically designed to destroy the primary hull, rendering it uninhabitable, and eject the antimatter pods because the ship was so close to the Genesis Planet. An antimatter explosion could've damaged the planet's atmosphere. After the antimatter was ejected, the ship's thrusters then steered the Enterprise into the atmosphere, causing it to burn up.
0:30 Thats totaly wrong. Nimoy dint want to Play Spock. But he wanted to DIRECT the Pictures, so he took the Chance, agreeing Play Spock, if he gets the Directors-Chair.....
Not right, with lots of own thoughts... Leonard Nimoy was NOT interessted in returning as Spock. He statet it in interviews. His direct answer to the CEO and Paramount was: "I would like to return. I would like to DIRECT the Picture". Only after lots of talks he was willing also to return as Spock. The first Plan was not at all to bring Spock back...
Christopher Lloyd would have been pretty fine for the character, if the writing for the character would have been better. He tried to be menacing, like shouting at the sky i stead of the communicator (which works if he has the communicator in his hand or active anyway), but it's hard to pull something out of thin air. If they'd used Romulans as villains I think the death of Kirks son wouldn't have been believable OR would have needed another cause or at least a more rational motivation. Both would probably be less dramatic. They worked that pretty nicely, I think.
Kruge was a one-dimensional character. I LIKE Christopher Lloyd but the character was not written well and was portrayed like a stereotypical Klingon. Watch the memorable Klingon commanders (Kor, Koloth, Kang, and Chang) and you'll see what I mean. These guys had their honor and were patriots but they were not mad dog butchers! This is before even Worf was conceptualized so it's not like "the friendly Klingon" or "reasoning" Klingon came out of nowhere. I may like Trek III better in some ways than the later Star Trek VI which I felt had a ham-fisted, very obvious "mystery plot" but the villain/ (if you want to call him that, prefer to call him someone with a different POV and he was NOT the only "villain" in that film in a sense) /main Klingon Chang had more dimension to him. I am amazed that the video didn't talk about the destruction of the Enterprise in some greater depth. That was a HUGE part of this film. I wouldn't be surprised if the arson might have been linked to the script that was leaked for Star Trek III prior to or during production. The hardcore fans KNEW the Enterprise was being destroyed. They absolutely HATED the idea (but many missed the point about the crew making the ship special, NOT the other way around!). The destruction of the original Starship Enterprise is one of the landmark vessel destructions in cinematic history. It's a really well-done special effect and has hints of some real-life tragedies like the explosion of the Hindenburg. The burning of the Enterprise's hull registry and name is a lot like the Hindenburg's name being burned up in its disaster. That and the reaction of the crew to the ship's entry into the Genesis Planet's atmosphere is one of the big dramatic moments in the film. The damn preview trailer that came out month's before the film's release showed the Ship's destruction, too! (Only "What Lies Beneath" had a worse plot reveal. I honestly don't know what Paramount was thinking leaking a vital plot point for Trek III in the preview trailer. "The Last Voyage of the Starship Enterprise" spoken by the trailer narrator pretty much spoils it!) The existing Enterprise model from way back in 1978 was STILL reused for Trek IV and beyond because hardly anybody liked the Excelsior's design back in 1984. There's a reason it was commonly called a "squashed watermelon." I was alive back in 1984. I read one of the popular fanzines and even David Gerrold went into the "problem of the Excelsior" in "The World of Star Trek." I don't know why the Excelsior has become more popular because it hasn't gotten prettier and the changes they made to it in Star Trek Generations made the ship even uglier! They did NOT reuse the Enterprise to save money! If anything, they had to repaint that model between films because of simulated battle damage and the actual damage done to the model by moving it and neglect by studio personnel. They brought back the Constitution Class model for Trek IV because it was popular and more people thought it was prettier. Behind the scenes, the story is that the special effects team for Trek II and III HATED dealing with the bulky, heavy 8-ft Enterprise model from The Motion Picture. The reality was that the 8-ft model was built by another company and most SFX companies tend to be proprietary about their processes and the way they do things and the Enterprise was NOT their model! The Reliant was built a different way (by ILM modelers) and they (ILM techs) liked filming it better because it was their girl, built their way to make it easier to work with! That's why there was a push to replace the Enterprise with the Excelsior (also built by ILM!) in Star Trek IV for about 10 seconds.
AvengerII The Search for Spock is the first time Klingon characters have an oppurtunity to be more fully developed. The writers had very little to go as far as a cannon backstory for the klingons. At the same time, Lloyd is hardly an enlightened actor.
I do appreciate criticism of Kruge and Lloyd, but I think that’s just one side of the equation. Decades later, out of context, the character hasn’t aged well, but at the timeout was an impressive evolution for the species and for Star Trek. Firstly, the villainy and violence was finally catching up to Klingon reputation and fancy foreheads. Unlike the 60s variety, these guys were ready for blood, gore and killing. Finally the threat felt justified, and the proof was in the murdering. Kruge wasn’t a madman. He loved his targ, his heritage, and spirited competition. He was often calm and rarely less than clever. He demonstrated depth of sentiment and a compelling, of complicated flavor of honor. As shallow as he can seem these days, I believe he legitimized Klingons in some ways, and paved the way for a more complicated idea of the species. Kluge and Lloyd made a nice contribution to Klingons, way before Worf and Moore took us deeper into the culture.
AvengerII That's solid reasoning. Perhaps, if I may add to your line of thinking, the characters if the original ST films, namely the klingons, are products of their time. As you pointed out very wisely, Kruge did not age well. Western culture culture has moved. This readily seen with film...well, large scale productions atleast. Characters are more developed so that the audience has a wider understanding of each main character's motivations. There isnt simply a "good guy vs. bad guy" plot. Post-modernism...what can you do, huh? The audience, we film nerds especially, can derive the motivations of the characters. But we also, in this post-modern era, demand an established, quasi-Tolkein (LOTR) mythology to fill in the origins and gaps for what's going on with the plot lf the narrative. Its not all Lloyd's fault nor is the fault of the writers that Kruge doesnt stand the test of time. We are a more demanding, scrutinizing film audience. What we can do, in our love for these characters is, again, where cannon falls short, use our imagination. That's one of the great things we Trekies are samn sure known for. What with our fan films and novels and short storys. We create these backstories and we share them. Then, in a few imstances, those story elements are adopted as cannon (e.g. external inertial dampers ST 2009, which explains how people able to survive even extreme acceleration toward light speed without obliterating the ship and everything in it.) (Your thoughts)
"it's just a movie get a lifeit's just a movie get a life" Gee, so pithy! Don't ever become a social critic. It means actually having to use your BRAIN instead of just accepting things like a sheep.
@@Ironbuket I hear what you're saying. But unfortunately she was hired as she signed a contract for 3 movies but the negotiations went sour because she asked for too much money for the next movie. So technically she was hired and then they fired her
@@SaturnCanuck Have you got any sources for that '3 movie' 'contract'? I searched around and cant find any mention of it. There is even a reference from Allie where when she learned there would be a star trek IV she approached them and said she was interested. If there was a 3 movie contract, doesnt that involve salery negotiation when you signed it? Only money seems to be the reason she didnt appear the second time. So if there was a contract then Allie would have broken it and we would have heard about them suing her? Or at least there would be many references about the contract being broken, which would have likely affected her getting other jobs
@@Ironbuket You make a good point. I do not have any hard evidence for this. My information comes from RUclips videos, that always have the correct information, and from well-informed people, like yourself, who leave this information in the comment section. Sadly, most are keyboard warriors with no knowledge of the topic but use half-truths and innuendo to prove their point. I will look for some hard-core facts. Thanks for bringing this to my attention.
Krooge??? C'mon man. You did all of this research and had to have watched Star Trek III. His name is pronounced Kroog with a hard G not a soft G at the end.
This sums up the ENTIRE Star Trek Universe:
Sarek: "Kirk, I thank you. What you have done is...."
Kirk: "What I have done, I had to do."
Sarek: "But at what cost? Your ship. Your son."
Kirk: "If I hadn't tried, the cost would have been my soul."
Can't get much better than that.
I can remember, when sitting in the theater and seeing the Enterprise get destroyed, that nearly the ENTIRE audience stood up and shouted "NOOOOOOOOOOO!...it was amazing.
To create a follow up to a major hit like The Wrath of Khan is a daunting task and I would use The Search For Spock as the prime example of what to do! The tone, the themes, the unexpectedness of the script... it's perfect! The summer of 1982 and the summer of 1984 remain the zenith of American film in my heart and in my mind. So many great, innovative works that have all stood the test of time. I doubt we will ever see another time like them.
I just watched "For the Love of Spock" a documentary about Leonard Nimoy directed by his son on Adam on the SyFy channel. It was made very recently after the death of Mr. Nimoy in 2015.
It shows how he struggled with his inner deamons, alcoholism, divorce, estrangement from his son and having to deal with his persona of Spock on and off screen.
It is a very nice documentary and if you haven't seen it. I highly suggest you do as it shows the things he went through during his life after playing an immortal role of a half human, half Vulcan who had to supress his emotions and embrace logic on a Starship surrounded by illogical, emotion filled humans. Shatner as Capt.Kirk might have had to billing but, it wa Nimoy who was the real star and knowing Shatners ego,
I'm sure he resented it. Fimd it, watch it and "Live Long and Prosper. Rest in Peace Mr. Leonard Nimoy.
I was lucky to meet him at a convention in the late 70's in Philadelphia and got his autograph and a picture with him. I also got a picture of Yeoman Rand giving me a kiss on the cheek. A day I will never forget.
R.I.P. to both Nimoy and Whitney. I remember thinking Grace Lee Whitney was finer than frog hair when I was first discovering TOS in and around 1984. To a 7 year old, she was HOT. Still is, by all accounts, when you watch those old episodes. I was really saddened to eventually find her backstory when she passed away in 2016, I believe it was. Like Leonard, she had some real demons that followed her for her entire life. And I agree about For The Love Of Spock; I have it in my digital download collection. It really is a great film.
Danny Morano The love of Spock is a beautiful film.
I didn't know about this documentary. I'll have to look for it. Thanks!
@@brettcooper3893 and aslo RIP to James and gene and Ricardo and eve. Merritt and mark lenrid. And may Nimoy rest in peace the. An was quite the legend
An underrated Trek film that deserved more respect than it got.
You're wrong about Christopher Lloyd being out of place as a Klingon in Search For Spock! LIoyd played the role uniquely given the redesign of the Klingons from the 60's Star Trek. Whereas the movie versions looked more alien and far more aggressive looking unlike the previous more human appearances they had in the TV series originally. LIoyd's Commander Kruge was a clear and easy influence on Michael Dorn's Lt Worf on Star Trek: The Next Generation. As no Klingon previously looked like his from the previous iteration, unless it was from the same time as the (then) ongoing Trek movies which the original cast were then filming. Christopher Lloyd to so many Trek fans has played one of the most badass Klingons in existence. No actor since dare i say it, has played one so brutal or as charismatic with a powerful screen presence then or since as Christopher Lloyd!
I think he waa great-and so was John Larroquette. Their voices were perfect.
Christoper Lloyd made the movie. BEST Klingon MF today
His performance is as good as you say. The problem was, when the movie came out, just how distracting it was to have Reverend Jim, who made us scream with laughter every night for years on Taxi, coming out of a Klingon.
VERY underrated film. It's damn good with a tremendous sense of nostalgia.
Kirstey Ally did not return for the part because she was offered less money than ST2. A huge missed opportunity.
My favourite Star Trek movie and one of my favourite movies generally. Great video.
I was 9 when this movie came out. I remember where I was when I first saw the preview and the Enterprise burning up. Think it caused me depression for many years....
Interesting choice of background music..."It's dangerous to go alone! Take this" :)
ST3 is 2nd after Khan, the friendships of the characters even the small part with uhura was great her last line to kirk was so heart felt.
James Horner is the best and makes you feel the tension.
Just a fun flic
Jonathan (S?), this Romulan ale is for you mate - thank you kindly for sharing such a quality review to share with us fans. :)
Brilliant. Masterful. A genuine pleasure to watch.
I believe your beginning is a bit off. Nimoy and others are quoted in several places stating that the only way Nimoy would reprise the role of Spock was if he also directed.
The ironic thing is that I thought that Christopher Lloyd (sp?) did a great job with the Klingon Language. He did something that Michael Dorn could not: make it sound like the language was ACTUALLY BEING SPOKEN as opposed to reading lines.
Todd Bryant, who played Klingon Commander Klaa in Star Trek V, also did a marvelous job at that.
So, you're saying that he had the right numbers, that he was no showroom dummy, more than just an operator with a pocket calculator?
Nice moniker, BTW. :)
Oder soll ich sagen, Musikant mit Taschenreichner in der hand?
One mystery in this film NOT explained to as far as I know/heard is WHY was the video of genesis device narrated by Kirk instead of Carol Marcus?
In order to use the ST II Genesis demo again, they'd have to pay actress Bibi Besch a royalty for reusing her footage. Using Kirk was a money-saver since Bill Shatner was already in the film.
My favorite Trek film.
ST3 is good, but it is a little unbelievable that Kirk would break so many rules and laws just to give Spock a proper Vulcan burial. But it gets overshadowed by the idea that Spock came back to life, and that becomes why they do it. It might have been better if they had gotten some broken report about Spock maybe being alive, and the Klingons being in the area.
These are good enough to be on the DVD's! Thanks
I've...had...enough..of.......you!
1:52, so wish that shot of the scene of Kirk Meeting McCoy in the elevator was in the film. It was seen in the comic book adaptation and featured Kirk meeting the crazed McCoy (with Spock's Katra) much earlier in the film.
My favorite of all the Star Trek films. It's got humor, danger, adventure, and heart. Every character gets a chance to shine, and every one has to make the decision to risk it all to save their friend. Every single actor at the top of their game.
Robin Curtis is a good actress, but there is none of the humor that Kirstie Alley brought to the character of Saavik.
And then, they included the burning/exploding Enterprise in the trailer SPOILING the whole surprise! That was a major face-palm moment!
And now it seems they have to destroy the Enterprise in every Theatrical series. TOS... Destroys the Enterprise, TNG... Destroys the Enterprise, Star Trek Reboot... Destroys the Enterprise. 😴
@@swirvinbirds1971 Yep. Axanar is the only decent Trek project now.
The stealing of the Enterprise is very much one of my favorites as well, and the destruction of her only a little while later - made it so very epic. :)
Great video. Looking forward to your take on Star Trek IV.
Christopher Lloyd did a great job playing "crazy" on Taxi and Back to the Future. He should not be confused with another Christopher Lloyd who, I believe, works at Paramount. There are many Star Trek references in "Frasier", including his son delivering a speech in Klingon.
Actually, it was Frasier who accidentally blessed his son in Klingon after disappointing a Trek fan who was working at his studio. I actually found the scene here on RUclips. Hilarious would be understating it!
The wolf getting shot in Dances with Wolves and the USS Enterprise being destroyed are two of the most difficult moments for me to watch in movies.
HOW can someone think the Enterprise isn't beautiful? OMG. The TOS was great, but the movie remakes in I II and III is elegant and awesome.
Enjoying your series, thank you.
Another great video. Thanks!
One of my favorite of the original Star Trek movies.
These are Excellent! Great research and presentation.
Kudos!
it was 1983 filming not 1993
One of the things I like about this film is more inclusion of the other characters such as: Scotty, Sulu, Chekov and Uhura; not just the usual Kirk, Spock and McCoy.
Love these! Do all of them!
Thor Gram I’m planning to do all of the films, stay tuned! 😁
I think Nimoy nailed it considering the doubt shadowing his performance and the budget made available. Star Trek III to me is the most emotional movie in the series which is what really draws my interest and long lasting attachment to a film. For this reason it the most replayed move from them all in my home. Nimoy made us feel the the emotional attachments of the characters as well as the feelings of discovery, loss and desperation as they venture into a recovery mission which goes horribly wrong. Its by no means a perfect movie however Trek is rarely perfect.
There's a video on RUclips somewhere where Kirstie Alley recounts being offered Saavik for III but says it was a half-assed offer that she couldn't accept. Also, it was reported in various places that the idea of destroying the Enterprise originated with Ken Ralston, who didn't like filming the model for the reasons given here. But who knows, maybe Harve Bennett had the same idea independently? In any case, he wouldn't have gone with it had it not worked for him dramatically. .............. Interesting that Edward James Olmos was Nimoy's first choice for Kruge! I'd never heard that before!
I think it's a very good movie. It shows the love and loyalty between characters. Everyone, especially Kirk, willingly risks their careers and lives to save Spock's essence. The death of David is a well done scene. Shatner missing his chair and sitting down heavily on the deck shows how staggered he was by David's loss. The destruction of the Big E is a watershed moment. I didn't know the film's box office was quite that high. Very good. Christopher Lloyd was good, but it might have been fun to bring back Michael Ansara or John Colicos to play Kruge. Nimoy did a fone job as director. Bringing back Horner to do the score was the right call- his work is excellent, and it did give a certain continuity, as u pointed out
Not sure where the rumor came from, but it's not true that Kirstie Alley didn't return due to fear of being typecast. The issue was due to money. She wanted nearly as much as DeForest Kelley was getting. They could not come to compromise, so she was recast. Of Curtis' performance, she stated, "I think she did a fine job. I have no problem with what she was doing except that, when I saw the film, I said, 'She isn't Saavik. I am.'" I couldn't agree more. They simply should've have Curtis play a different character. Oh, and not given her a mullet.
One thing people often mistake is that this movie is about Spock. But when you really think about it it isn't. People use it to prove the great friendship between Kirk and Spock and even the writers in the next movie talk of the sacrifices Kirk made to save Spock. But initially Kirk wasn't doing it for Spock - it was for McCoy. Up until the end as far as Kirk knows Spock is dead. McCoy is suffering from a Vulcan Mind meld and for some odd reason Sarek insists they need Spock's body to help McCoy. We, the audience, see the film from an omniscient perspective. We know Spock is alive from the start. But not Kirk or Sarek or McCoy. The Search for Spock is really The Search for Spock's Corpse as far as Kirk is concerned. And the sacrifices made were to save McCoy not Spock.
Just need to point out, it was the one and only time anyone would cry at seeing the Enterprise destroyed. Up to this point, and never repeated, she was an uncredited character to the franchise and many people had much love for her. RIP NCC 1701
It would make more sense if the villains were Romulans.
While I agree, because of the change we got a fully formed Klingon Language out of it, so I am torn. I would have loved to have seen the Romulans in this movie!
Also; in the long run it worked out better as it was the Klingons who kill David and thus give Kirk so much reason to hate them, which plays out nicely in Undiscovered Country. Additionally, having Klingons as the primary antagonists in the TOS era worked well not only with ST6 bringing that conflict to a close, but with Klingons being Fed allies in the TNG era, that gave the Romulans much more chance to shine in the TNG era, thus becoming a true top tier villain for the better part of that entire era... leading to the awesome moment in Nemesis where Commander Donatra lends surprise aid to the Enterprise-E.
The only real long lasting negative of having Klingons as a last minute swap out for the Romulans in ST3 is the whole Bird of Prey confusion... not a real big deal overall, though. Klingons and Romulans had been shown to share tech in the TOS era already (see: The Enterprise Incident). Perhaps the KBOP was a class of ship that the Romulans were not happy with and brokered a trade for them (with cloaking) in exchange for the Klingon D-7's we saw the Romulans using in Enterprise Incident.
I miss this group.
This is wonderful! I hope you cover all of the Star Trek features in this series (TNG & Abrams too)🖖🏼
Love these! Please continue! Great compilation of rarely seen photos and video snippets. Where did you find that Shatner TV interview ? Lol. Please keep it up!
I read Kirstie didn't return to play Saavik because the studio turned her down when she asked for as much money as Shatner and Nimoy were getting paid.
Ive seen an interview with her where she said that when they approched her she asked for more money thinking they would counter proposal, instead they just signed someone else thinking she wasnt interested. She said she was very interested at the time, though this may be a story she has developed over the years.
I hope youll do ST IV! My favorite!
John Knoop Am planning to do all the Star Trek movies, a Star Trek IV video will be out soon!
JonnyBaak Awesome!
"How can you do a Star Trek film without Spock"; it's like doing a Star Trek film without Kirk, the audacity!
I looked at this Movie the same I looked at the animated version of Transformers the Movie. I hated when the Enterprise was destroyed just like when Optimus Prime Died.
I loved this film as a kid and continue to love it to this day. Lloyd was a fantastic Klingon. Brutal, singularly obsessed, and warlike without all the “honor” overload of the next generation. This Klingon was vicious and not noble at all. I prefer my Klingons like this!
Star Trek III: The Search For Spock (1984) Is one of My Favorite Movies from the 1980's !
"Excelsior was Far better design. Sleeker and more modern."
Really? I've always seen it as fat and bulky, with the refit Enterprise being the sleek model, and timeless. IMO of course.
The movie Enterprise is most definitely NOT ugly and is bad ass. The best and most believable incarnation by far.
that Excelsior starship DO NOT!!! look better than the starship Enterprise!
High five. :)
I hated that new ship
Forgive my spelling errors.
Greetings from Brasil! Realy a great work!
One fellow brazilian here! What a small world.
Still my favorite of the movies. Feels like a two part episode from the TV series and also has some of the best music/visuals (what idiot critics think the special effects are bad?). I also find it refreshing that a movie focused on Spock and directed by the actor who plays him actually features very little of the namesake character. It showed that Leonard Nimoy didn't push his character to be the focus. In many ways, this movie is more about Kirk and his son and even the Enterprise itself than anything to do with Spock. And everyone else got some of their best moments in the series. They also recasted Saavik perfectly. And I wish she had the role in Wrath of Khan as well.
And thank GOD they got Horner back. He should have done every movie in my opinion.
Too bad about the no budget to film on site for Genesis... The 'set' backgrounds look like set backgrounds and it gives it a cheap TV show like feel.
Probably my 2nd favorite Star Trek movie after WOK.
Hi JonnyBaak i really like your videos, just a quick question, whet is the music playing in the back ground towards the end of this video?
Three was the perfect stepping stone between 2 and 4. Christopher Lloyd has been brilliant in many movies and TV shows, he really was an odd choice for a Klingon. His voice just never worked for the character, where as Doc Brown full on perfect.
for anyone who thinks the refit is ugly i just want to know what ship is better? the refit IMO is the best looking ship in the franchise and it still looks amazing today. i like all the subsequent enterprises too but this one just always does it for me.
I think you missed the stuff about them using the Klingons partially as a budget saving method due the fact the they already had costumes left over from TMP and the bridge of the BOP being a holdover from a, still to this day unnamed, scifi project that was cancelled and re-purposed for the film.
Destiny Captain ...apart from the Bird of Prey was originally Romulan (hence the stylised red wings beneath).
The idea of using the Romulans was there from the beginning, yes. However, the budget was quite limited and they knew they had a dozen Klingon uniforms already in storage that could easily be reused. This was much cheaper than making new uniforms for Romulan characters. So, as per usual, they decided to reuse the uniforms and make the Romulans into Klingons. Story elements like the BOP, which was never before a Klingon term, were ported over. The bridge of the KBOP was a reuse from another sci-fi production that was cancelled. We have still never learned what this film or series was. This is also not a new thing in the industry. After Masters Of The Universe 2 collapsed much of the work done on it was re-purposed for the film Cyborg.
In the original script Spock was going to have a child
That’s why she was left on the planet in the next movie to have his child
Wouldn’t that have changed a lot of the story
That was in the star log magazine when the movie came out
True. Later novels don't even mention that though. One suggests that she rejouned Star Fleet and served on another ship before returning to Vulcan. Another that she later bonded with Spock and they both went to Romulus separately and started to feel Pon Far on the return home to get married. Wishful thinking, but it beats killing her off entirely. My friend Jean is a lot like her and is in the USS Navy.
I agree with you about Christopher Lloyd. His look was good, but his voice and delivery didn't feel right. Maybe it's because the character is a little one-sided.
I thought the film is not bad, not bad at all. But it lacked dramatic pizzazz, I feel, and has a one-note quality. Also, why didn't the klingon ship shoot them IMMEDIATELY after uncloaking? HOW exactly did Scotty open the space doors from space?
Overall, though, probably the best odd-numbered ST movie
So when are you going to do Nemesis?
Why did everybody think Mr.Nimoy hated playing Spock? If anybody hated playing his character it was Shanter. You would think an Anti Matter explosion coupled with the Dilithium Crystals, all in the engine room would have blown the ship to hell instead of it eating it away from the front of the Saucer Section. Would have looked much better as if real and would have been more practical and efficient also.
The reason the ship's warp core didn't overload and release the antimatter was because of the specific type of self-destruct that Kirk ordered. 000-destruct-0 was specifically designed to destroy the primary hull, rendering it uninhabitable, and eject the antimatter pods because the ship was so close to the Genesis Planet. An antimatter explosion could've damaged the planet's atmosphere. After the antimatter was ejected, the ship's thrusters then steered the Enterprise into the atmosphere, causing it to burn up.
1:22 LURCH !!!!!!!! lol
0:30 Thats totaly wrong. Nimoy dint want to Play Spock. But he wanted to DIRECT the Pictures, so he took the Chance, agreeing Play Spock, if he gets the Directors-Chair.....
Not right, with lots of own thoughts... Leonard Nimoy was NOT interessted in returning as Spock. He statet it in interviews. His direct answer to the CEO and Paramount was: "I would like to return. I would like to DIRECT the Picture". Only after lots of talks he was willing also to return as Spock. The first Plan was not at all to bring Spock back...
It's not a bad film but there are lots of little things wrong with it.
"Nobody's perfect!"
Wow! Admiral Adama could have been a Klingon!
Christopher Lloyd would have been pretty fine for the character, if the writing for the character would have been better. He tried to be menacing, like shouting at the sky i stead of the communicator (which works if he has the communicator in his hand or active anyway), but it's hard to pull something out of thin air.
If they'd used Romulans as villains I think the death of Kirks son wouldn't have been believable OR would have needed another cause or at least a more rational motivation. Both would probably be less dramatic. They worked that pretty nicely, I think.
Jens Droessler If they used Romulans it would have been confusing when Kirk said "You Klingon bastards! You've killed my son!"
3:33 F that guy. Enterprise is beautiful even today.
love TOS movies 2,3,5,6, more so the undiscovered country bc of Christopher Plummer,
“GET OUT, GET OUT OF THERE!!!”
Edward James Olmos would have been great
I still hate the fact that the Enterprise was destroyed.
Decent presentation, but the narrator seemed as emotionless as a full blooded Vulcan
I still can't believe she put her arms around me and gave me a kiss!
I like your stuff, but your sound quality is kind of... off!
Kruge was a one-dimensional character. I LIKE Christopher Lloyd but the character was not written well and was portrayed like a stereotypical Klingon. Watch the memorable Klingon commanders (Kor, Koloth, Kang, and Chang) and you'll see what I mean.
These guys had their honor and were patriots but they were not mad dog butchers!
This is before even Worf was conceptualized so it's not like "the friendly Klingon" or "reasoning" Klingon came out of nowhere.
I may like Trek III better in some ways than the later Star Trek VI which I felt had a ham-fisted, very obvious "mystery plot" but the villain/ (if you want to call him that, prefer to call him someone with a different POV and he was NOT the only "villain" in that film in a sense) /main Klingon Chang had more dimension to him.
I am amazed that the video didn't talk about the destruction of the Enterprise in some greater depth. That was a HUGE part of this film.
I wouldn't be surprised if the arson might have been linked to the script that was leaked for Star Trek III prior to or during production.
The hardcore fans KNEW the Enterprise was being destroyed.
They absolutely HATED the idea (but many missed the point about the crew making the ship special, NOT the other way around!).
The destruction of the original Starship Enterprise is one of the landmark vessel destructions in cinematic history. It's a really well-done special effect and has hints of some real-life tragedies like the explosion of the Hindenburg. The burning of the Enterprise's hull registry and name is a lot like the Hindenburg's name being burned up in its disaster.
That and the reaction of the crew to the ship's entry into the Genesis Planet's atmosphere is one of the big dramatic moments in the film.
The damn preview trailer that came out month's before the film's release showed the Ship's destruction, too! (Only "What Lies Beneath" had a worse plot reveal. I honestly don't know what Paramount was thinking leaking a vital plot point for Trek III in the preview trailer. "The Last Voyage of the Starship Enterprise" spoken by the trailer narrator pretty much spoils it!)
The existing Enterprise model from way back in 1978 was STILL reused for Trek IV and beyond because hardly anybody liked the Excelsior's design back in 1984. There's a reason it was commonly called a "squashed watermelon." I was alive back in 1984. I read one of the popular fanzines and even David Gerrold went into the "problem of the Excelsior" in "The World of Star Trek."
I don't know why the Excelsior has become more popular because it hasn't gotten prettier and the changes they made to it in Star Trek Generations made the ship even uglier!
They did NOT reuse the Enterprise to save money! If anything, they had to repaint that model between films because of simulated battle damage and the actual damage done to the model by moving it and neglect by studio personnel.
They brought back the Constitution Class model for Trek IV because it was popular and more people thought it was prettier. Behind the scenes, the story is that the special effects team for Trek II and III HATED dealing with the bulky, heavy 8-ft Enterprise model from The Motion Picture. The reality was that the 8-ft model was built by another company and most SFX companies tend to be proprietary about their processes and the way they do things and the Enterprise was NOT their model! The Reliant was built a different way (by ILM modelers) and they (ILM techs) liked filming it better because it was their girl, built their way to make it easier to work with! That's why there was a push to replace the Enterprise with the Excelsior (also built by ILM!) in Star Trek IV for about 10 seconds.
I agree, Kruge was one-dimensional. When the movie was new, something bothered me about the character, but I couldn't put my finger on it.
AvengerII
The Search for Spock is the first time Klingon characters have an oppurtunity to be more fully developed. The writers had very little to go as far as a cannon backstory for the klingons. At the same time, Lloyd is hardly an enlightened actor.
I do appreciate criticism of Kruge and Lloyd, but I think that’s just one side of the equation. Decades later, out of context, the character hasn’t aged well, but at the timeout was an impressive evolution for the species and for Star Trek. Firstly, the villainy and violence was finally catching up to Klingon reputation and fancy foreheads. Unlike the 60s variety, these guys were ready for blood, gore and killing. Finally the threat felt justified, and the proof was in the murdering. Kruge wasn’t a madman. He loved his targ, his heritage, and spirited competition. He was often calm and rarely less than clever. He demonstrated depth of sentiment and a compelling, of complicated flavor of honor. As shallow as he can seem these days, I believe he legitimized Klingons in some ways, and paved the way for a more complicated idea of the species. Kluge and Lloyd made a nice contribution to Klingons, way before Worf and Moore took us deeper into the culture.
AvengerII That's solid reasoning. Perhaps, if I may add to your line of thinking, the characters if the original ST films, namely the klingons, are products of their time. As you pointed out very wisely, Kruge did not age well. Western culture culture has moved. This readily seen with film...well, large scale productions atleast. Characters are more developed so that the audience has a wider understanding of each main character's motivations. There isnt simply a "good guy vs. bad guy" plot. Post-modernism...what can you do, huh? The audience, we film nerds especially, can derive the motivations of the characters. But we also, in this post-modern era, demand an established, quasi-Tolkein (LOTR) mythology to fill in the origins and gaps for what's going on with the plot lf the narrative.
Its not all Lloyd's fault nor is the fault of the writers that Kruge doesnt stand the test of time.
We are a more demanding, scrutinizing film audience. What we can do, in our love for these characters is, again, where cannon falls short, use our imagination. That's one of the great things we Trekies are samn sure known for. What with our fan films and novels and short storys. We create these backstories and we share them. Then, in a few imstances, those story elements are adopted as cannon (e.g. external inertial dampers ST 2009, which explains how people able to survive even extreme acceleration toward light speed without obliterating the ship and everything in it.)
(Your thoughts)
"it's just a movie get a lifeit's just a movie get a life"
Gee, so pithy!
Don't ever become a social critic.
It means actually having to use your BRAIN instead of just accepting things like a sheep.
Captain Kirk a real hero
Some factual errors and just plain BS here.
The Enterprise..ugly???
No. Kirstie Alley was fired cause she asked for too much money.
You cant be fired, before you are hired.
@@Ironbuket I hear what you're saying. But unfortunately she was hired as she signed a contract for 3 movies but the negotiations went sour because she asked for too much money for the next movie. So technically she was hired and then they fired her
@@SaturnCanuck Have you got any sources for that '3 movie' 'contract'? I searched around and cant find any mention of it. There is even a reference from Allie where when she learned there would be a star trek IV she approached them and said she was interested. If there was a 3 movie contract, doesnt that involve salery negotiation when you signed it? Only money seems to be the reason she didnt appear the second time. So if there was a contract then Allie would have broken it and we would have heard about them suing her? Or at least there would be many references about the contract being broken, which would have likely affected her getting other jobs
@@Ironbuket You make a good point. I do not have any hard evidence for this. My information comes from RUclips videos, that always have the correct information, and from well-informed people, like yourself, who leave this information in the comment section. Sadly, most are keyboard warriors with no knowledge of the topic but use half-truths and innuendo to prove their point.
I will look for some hard-core facts. Thanks for bringing this to my attention.
STOP SAYING HARV.
Krooge??? C'mon man. You did all of this research and had to have watched Star Trek III. His name is pronounced Kroog with a hard G not a soft G at the end.
3:30 WTF!!! Ugly?? WTF!!!