Which Pro Combi Drill Could be your next upgrade?
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- Опубликовано: 18 май 2024
- For the improving DIY'er moving beyond entry level drills, which are best?
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As a Dewalt man also I think you should have compared those drills to an up to date Dewalt drill, maybe a follow up video Makita versus Dewalt 😊
Makita wins every time
@@christianwithers7335 It might but it wasn't a fair comparison and would have kept the battery he has. Anyone notice the Dewalt box in the background near the end....hmmm?
@@Stormin_Mike I didn't notice the dewalt box, but having played it back I don't think it's a big enough box for a drill. I agree with you about including an up to date brushless dewalt.
You going to donate one? 😊
@@6panel300 unless it's a body only (no battery) and not therefore a kit? The 796n I bought as upgrade is good as well as brushless, that would be a good comparison and like I did keep the existing batteries.
I love my bosch blue drills, i especially love the smaller 10.8v ones, for general screw driving.
Its a shame you didn't have a brushless DeWalt on test, you winner may have been different. Not really a fair comparison between brush & brushless.
Would be interested to see a new brushless DeWalt Vs the Makita, then you could keep your current battery platform
When I was on my tools I bought my Milwaukee gear in 2013, it had 5 years use on the tools and is still going strong now I only use it for DIY use. It’s been dropped off steps, knocked over, got rained on, exposed to plenty of brick, plasterboard and wood dust etc. I’m lead to believe they may have dropped off quality wise since then, but that said I’ve since bought the impact driver and multi tool and not had any issues (with light DIY use).
I also really love their 12v range, nice and lightweight which makes working at height much easier.
Thanks a million for going through them
The last time I bought a Bosch cordless drill the battery went down after 13 months. They told me that as they had just switched to Lion batteries I couldn’t buy a replacement battery for my drill, and would have to buy a complete new drill etc.
I did but I’ll leave it up to you to guess which make I bought ! So much for Bosch reliability.
I havent seen the full video yet, but as far as setting the torque for small screws, you have to change into speed 2, because it has inherently much less torque. Since you have the drills on speed 1, which more suited for large diameter drills and big fasteners, its natural that you will sink that tiny screw too deep.
Great video, thanks for doing comparisons 😁
I have the same old dewalt and love it for DIY work. My issue with swapping to another manufacturer would be changing the battery system as well.
I wouldn't call a 4-year old drill "very old". My Makita combi drill is over 10 years old (came with 3ah batteries) and is still going strong despite a lot of use and abuse as a tradesman's go-to. Even the original batteries are still working!
Mine as well👍.Makita are solid tools.
mine too...
How come you didn't compare to a brushless DeWalt as well?
Most splendid Stuart. I shall consider your viewpoint as I am upgrading my drill arsenal this week.
Nice video as usual. I understand why, but it's a shame you didn't have a newer Dewalt to test to compare vs the newer models in the other brands. I have that same old Dewalt drill but I'm also committed the their battery model now so can't see me changing brands anytime soon. Love the channel anyway
Today I decided to become a Patreon member after watching your videos every week for over a year. I have recently purchased my very first home and all your videos have really helped get things done in my own home. So many great ideas and a great sense of humor to match.
Thanks for all the brilliant videos Stuart keep up the great work. Already looking to this week's video. 👍
Cool, never really doubted the Mak , the range of power tools I have of their's has never let me down , superb battery life as well . Cheers 👊
We got issued Milwaukee at work replacing Makita and initially on first look I thought it was a toy however one year of hard daily use later and it hasn't missed a beat and out performs the Makita in every area.
I got a set of makita drill driver and impact driver (not brushless) from screw fix about a year ago the kit included a carrying case two batteries and a charger. and I paid £160 . I am only a diy'er but for the price I think it was and still is very good value, the only down side was the batteries were only 3 amp and the impact driver had a light but not the drill/ driver the batteries are the new style 18 volt so will fit any of the new akita tools coming out, the battery amp wasn't a problem for me as I dont have the heavy professional use others may, the same set is still on offer but is now £189
Thanks Stuart
I have a makita combi and love it. I’m also in the market for an impact driver but the body only as I already have the LXT battery on my combi. Great video as always!
Great to see a review that wasn’t just about power and torque. The screw function is as important and always gets overlooked in other peoples reviews. Maybe because we’ve all got too used to impacts now doing the screwing jobs. But always good to remind ourselves that the combi drill can also screw things in and a good one can do it more gentle at times when needed.
Great video.
I have Makita 18v and Bosch tools. Both are great and other than having to replace batteries every 7-10 years they perform. For cabinet installation I use the Festool cxs.
Love all my Makita tools, very reliable and great workhorses
At work we have some old Panasonic 10V impact drivers (that are excellent and handy), a plethora of DeWalt drills and some Festool for the heavy work (even an old Festo drill from before the name change, and the operation is still smooth and working). However, I frequently bring my Makita drills as I find these to be best, from the same reason as shown here.
Cheers for putting this up. A really well-thought out set of comparisons which - happily for me - confirmed my own preference for Makita, although I need a new one imminently. Keep 'em coming.👏😎
The majority of my power tools are Bosch but I do have a Makita drill and impact driver set. Most of my Bosch tools I’ve had from twenty to fifteen years and still give good service. I’m not a one colour person, so I buy which ever tool suits me. Thank you for the video Stuart.👍👍
Nice video as always Stuart, thanks. I have the Bosch range of tools and find them very capable. I went for both the 18v and 12v models. I almost have the full range of impact drivers, drill drivers, hammer drills, cordless SDS, recip saw, circular saw, jigsaw. The 12v are lightweight to handle but still do pack a good punch. Brushless is defo the way forward.
Great video, keep up the hood work. Ive had both Makita and Milwaukee and agree with your decision, however i felt that the Milwaukee was comfier in the hands because of the inset direction button. But both great bits of kit and i hope you get years of use.
My 776 still in daily use. What I notice most about it in use, is the lower rotational speeds. Use it for countersinking or where downward force is a plus, and the extra weight works for you. Ergonomically it remains a good design. Only minus, you have to feather out the motor, or the brake function loosens the chuck, and drills fall out. Current Dewalt favourite is the 12v combi. I can't remember when I started using Dewalt tools, but every one is still working as when new.
Thank you very much.
I totally agree with your choice of the Makita ! I’ve used different drill drivers for years, and the go to one is my Makita. Great review by the way as always. Keep up the superb videos. All the best.
Dave
It is all about personal choice. Had a Black and Decker drill many, many years ago. Took all night charge and then you were lucky if you could drive 10 screws in. Nice video. Keith and Matt will be crying right now ;-)
Great review Stuart, a good honest opinion I do like Makita.👍
I have the Milllwaukee (and it's impact driver buddy) and couldn't be happier, though I had considered the Makita. Seem I made a reasonable choice, and I've added some other tools to use the same batteries an I'm happy with them - random orbital and circular saw. All great, but I'm no pro so honestly, any of the brands would more than do me!
I can recommend this to anyone: have a hybrid of Makita and DeWalt. They're the tools that go on sale most often, and between the brands you can do almost everything. I've had amazing deals on Makita's outdoor/gardening range in the past. Have to agree with your decision - it doesn't really matter how powerful the drill is if the clutch is useless! As an aside, I have an inherited 36V Bosch SDS drill that only seems to do as well as my 18V (entry level too, mind!) DeWalt/Makita SDS drills, so take from that what you will.
I have many Dewalt 18v tools, but I needed a cordless SDS and Bosch 18V was all that was available. I find it has as much power as a perished rubber band in a balsa airplane and will manage only 10 to 12 10mm holes into concrete on each 4Ah battery. It will soon be going on ebay and I will get a Dewalt instead!
Thanks
My 776 smoked then seized lol owned for 10 years and used it hard every time I ve upgraded to a flexvolt 999 gotta say really impressed with it goes through railway sleepers like butter
My beloved Bosch Home & Garden combi gave up the ghost after 12 years of considerable use. A tough decision was made way easier by a special offer for a Dewalt Brushless XR 65nm combi that was on sale at £85.00 down from £180.00. Got 2 batteries, a charger, and a case, too. Absolutely love it. The drill itself sails through tasks that my Bosch struggled with near the end. I guess the special offer is what swayed my decision because i was erring towards a Makita.
great review
Be nice to see a review on an updated brushless DeWalt.
Really enjoyed this video. I’m a makita man & have been for a number of years as a carpenter & they’ve never let me down. But, if I was going to change to another branded tool I’d go Dewalt because their tools are high quality/easy functionality just like the Makita
The majority of my tools are Makita and DeWalt because they just keep going. Milwaukee have grown exponentially in the last few years because they seem to have more brute strength. However they also seem to break a lot more often and are less repairable.
Just bought a Makita DHP484Z, has 60Nm which is great! Using it and loving it!
Great video !!! thank you
My old DeWalt brushed died, recently, and I bought a more up market brushless version. What a difference. Wouldn't touch Bosch Pro with a bargepole. Bought an expensive mitre saw some years back and it was absolutely rubbish. The fence/gate was warped and the stop on the side mitre broke. Only good for chopping firewood, lol. Great video. Thanks
Out of curiosity I checked my m18 fuel drill for Nm it's more then double the one you showed at 135nm which honestly answered so many questions for me lol
Love my makita tools, nice platform of gardening tools as well. I’ve tried Milwaukee and they are great out of the box, but after a few months get battery issues and performance drops off a cliff meaning they won’t cut, drill stuff they did when I bought them.
It's also useful to see what each range has to offer. Because most if us have several other tools using the same battery system.
I recently replaced my Stanley drill with a Makita - the main thing I've found is that I have habituated to the Stanley so that even though the Makita is 'better' it feels 'wrong'. I guess that may change over time. Nice review Stuart.
I used Bosch tools for years but replaced everything with Milwaukee after a theft. I very quickly found Milwaukee are far superior and I’ll never go back now. Granted there not cheap but it’s definitely a case of you get what you pay for. My smallest batteries are 5ah high output which are fantastic.
Would like to see a non professional DIY tool review. Ryobi/ park side/ Bosch home/ einhell style. The lower tear also offer the chance to utilise their battery format for other garden or home tools. The battery platform (read cost) is often a greater influence than the little differences between tool capabilities.
I’ve used them all in your test.
I use Metabo, they are awesome.
Im a fan of the combination of a 12v Milwaukee drill for its lightness and compact size, and a large corded sds for the odd occasion I need it.
I have a different bosch drill + driver set and the clutch finesse on the drill is also altereed by how hard/much you squeeze the trigger. I'm fairly certain this model will work the same in that respect. Also, in your auger bit AND concrete test with the Bosch, I can see you have the switch at the top set in the number 1 position. You will only get the full umph from the drill if you move it to setting 2, this is likley why it felt less powerfull than the one with lower torque rating. Not sure if any of the other drills have any mistakes in the testing, but anyone that is more fermilar with using them and noticed these sort of things may be able to comment if there was.
I have that Milwaukee and i had same issue with charger flashing. I found that some kind of harder "whacking" battery down towards slots fixed an issue.
Having become a big fan of Makita cordless kit in the last 4 years I hoped you'd go for this make 👍
Whether its a car, house, clothing etc., its all personal to your requirements & expectations, budget and value for money. For example I use mainly Bosch, but subject to timing has bearing on what model is available, & which is best for my intended purpose - not forgetting the price! A further point is Bosch's newer 18v-60 supersedes improving on performance , and there are still a few lower priced models to choose from. Thus, tool reviews I watch, (even though there are far too many!) only sticking with ones where I'm looking for specific feedback on a certain tool & if its a comparison type review, the playing field has to 'fair'. That said, I watched all your video (thanks), but find your projects much more beneficial.
Just replace the brushes I did on my really old Makita handy as a back up. Like your show
I'm semi retired now and have slowly been switching my power tools to stanley fat max v20 range as my older tools wesr out. Mainly.because of price tbh. I have drill/driver, impact, circular.saw, random orbital sander and the jigsaw and very happy with them all. Turns out Stanley and DeWalt are owned by same.parent company (Black.and Decker)
Got an aging makita combi drill thats giving up the ghost (still got NiCd batteries!). Been so torn about what to replace it with. Thanks!!!
6:16 For the Bosch & Milwaukee finesse test, I noticed that you had them set to use gear #1. I reckon the test would have gone differently if you had the drive gear on two. Especially for the Milwaukee the clutch is not designed to be used with gear number 1. They put a variable speed trigger on there so you can walk the screw in by gently squeezing the trigger when you're using #1.
This is a D.I.Y Channel why would you think he knows how to use the tool correctly, most D.I.Y people can't knock a nail in straight and drilling a hole with a drilling machine is a major undertaking for most
incorrect
I think he's more than capable of driving in a nail correctly. He has a quality channel. This situation is more so just one of those things that you learn from talking with reps and other folks in the trades, and figuring it out on your own. With the increased torque that Milwaukee drills have, the clutch drive isn't going to break off if you're driving a screw into a soft wood like pine. If he's always running a DeWalt then I wouldn't expect him to know that about Milwaukee.
I have the milwaukee drill/driver set, love the drills but would complete agree with going for the makita brand as the rest of the battery tool line up is more comprehensive and available than milwaukee which seems to have limited availability and/or too high of a comparable cost to other brands in the UK.
Having gone down the Milwaukee route due to a good ITS deal i love it. I too had a flashing charger which was replaced as faulty from new as both batteries were reporting dead. The drill used must have been bottom of the range as the higher end ones have a power limiting feature so you don't imbed screws :)
Starting on our house gut and rebuild in 2014, got a Bosch drill as the shortest available to fit in some short gaps in ceiling joists as my right angle Ryobi wasn't powerful enough for 25mm holes through hardwood. It was great and better than my builder friend's DeWalt (which felt sloppy) and another friend's Makita. Got the impact driver - very disappointing, lacked power. Early 2019, the Bosch drill fell apart: turned out it was a common problem. Stretched budget to get the Milwaukee M18 brushless drill-driver pair that was often on sale at Screwfix, came with 2 * 4AHr batteries. Revelation! Felt so much more precise with sharper hammer action into old brick. Impact driver far better than the Bosch. Now with Milwaukee batteries, recently got bare multi-cutter - massive improvement over the two corded DeWalts I've had. Milwaukee batteries could be smoother to get on and off. Clutch works great for me.
Lesson: over a period of 5 years, to 2018, there really were very noticeable differences between drills. Probably, a 2019 Bosch, DeWalt, or Makita would have been as good as the 2019 Milwaukee, but my bad experiences plus recommendations from Milwaukee users plus sale took me to red and black. For the heavy-duty DiYer, I think my timescale and limited experience of models is relevant. My Milwaukees are still going very strong. I recommend friends look at them first unless they're able to try someone else's new product from rival brand.
For corded: Makita. Others seem to have sidelined corded tools. Makita are keeping up their standards.
Future: I'm likely to stay on Milwaukee battery platform unless I get my hands on a rival for a thorough test. And that's probably why they have drill-driver 'sales' at Screwfix and Toolstation. Also, I'm now biased against Bosch blue despite 30 years of very good experience of Bosch green which included some periods of quite heavy use
For DIY I would get the Milwaukee 12v Fuel, Similar price to those drills in a kit. More compact, excellent tool range and amazing power. Never really have to get out my 18v Makita.
Pretty much all of my tools are Makita and Dewalt, I’ve tried a few others but didn’t really like them. I have at least two of every tool necessary for my work, one Makita and one Dewalt. I even tried some Festool but in my humble opinion they weren’t worth the extra money. Excellent as always Stuart 👍
Brushes are so easy to change I've done a few
I'm currently using the Worx tools, does the job for me however if I had to change I'd probably go with Makita
I've had two makita drills where the chuck bearing/housing loosened up after very little use,so bought a Milwaukee instead!
Nice 👍🏻 I like a Makita
I use Dewalt 18v for all my cordless work tools, some really good (1/4 sheet sander) some not so good (battery draining angle grinder). I have the same dewalt drill as you, but I wouldn't change as I would need to start again with batteries etc. Ithink once you've commited to a system it's better to stick with it for economical reasons. All the manufacturers have their plusses and negatives but are all good.
Having been a long time user of Makita, and some Festool however not their drills. I have always liked the Makita, but at the college where I instruct we have started using Milwaukee which I must say are very good. I think sometimes it comes down to the 'eco system' that you buy into at the start that determines which brand you go for. Like I said the Makita LXT drill was one of my first better Makita's that I purchased and then just built up my range using the same batteries. I had a Bosch many years before and whilst I like that the battery system is interchangeable with some other brands it is still a bit 'weekender' DIY option in my opinion, not really lasting the pace with the constant use I required. I must admit I thought you were going to plump for the Milwaukee at the beginning so surprised me
Very nice review, Stuart! I have Makita as my battery platform so I always look at their line of tools first when buying something new. Never disappointed with the brand, so far!
Would you say that a combi drill could replace my regular setup: a makita powerdrill + the old corded Bosch drill with hammerfunction. Or is a corded drill with hammerfunction preferable because it has more power (I assume it does, anyway)?
Nice comparison Stuart I’m a Makita guy myself. One thing I really like about it is that you can lock the bit in the chuck if you tighten it up then give it one click back it stops the bit falling out the chuck when it runs in reverse. 👍🏻
I think Ave did a video about the 'click' thing on Makitas and thoroughly debunked it.
My Dewalt drill is even older than yours. I use an old Aldi one as a second drill (one as drill the other as driver). They are both still battling well
Makita has 2 or 3 factories in uk too, and awarded their tool storage manufacture to a British company
My brand new Milwaukee batteries and charger flashed red and green at first. Reinserting them fixed the problem. After a while no problems. Must be the contacts out of the box 🤷♂️
I have changed from Makita to Milwaukee, mainly because I always seem to catch the direction lever with the top of my hand on the Makita.
Interesting video I'm still using brushed motor Dewalt cordless drill and brushes are available from your local service centre, brand new brushes and cleaning the carbon from the motor can transform your drill.
Would love to see Ryobi in there as there promise to never change battery design is a huge plus to some people but amazing video as always
I've got the slightly newer Makita DHP486Z and it's incredible. It has a metal chuck, a solid compact design, brushless motor and is really powerful (65Nm at its lowest, 130Nm at it's max) I'm only a DIY user an it's great for every job in the house, it even makes fitting blinds into a lintel pretty easy. Would definitely recommend as it also comes with some good bundle deals.
I've got one as well does yours have the annoying slight hammer when in drill model after using it in hammer mode
I've noticed the clutch control wheel on the chuck can sometimes get caught between hammer and drill (because the control is all on one wheel), so I often just make sure to twist it fully into place a few times. I think it's more to do with the plastic than the internal 'gear's if that makes sense!@@peterthebricky
Good comparison between the drills but I would have liked to have seen a newer DeWalt in the mix too, maybe the 805? The other thing to consider is that if you already have several tools that take the same battery then you may wish to stick with that brand. Of course, you could always have many different makes of tools and many, many different batteries!🙄 Thanks for the upload Stuart.
The Bosch case is to fit the impact driver in. It's not an additional battery slot
Good comparison. The only thing I don't like on that Makita is the cheap plastic chuck, instead of the metal and proven Röhm chuck on the Bosch.
I do agree with the conclusion though. The nice Bosch drills start with the 60 (replaced by the 90 recently).
with different colors to recognise better each one of them 😄
Great video although you did misspell prediction 😊😊
Makita - the Fender of cordless drills. 🎸
I’d love to see a comparison between something like a Dewalt/Makita vs Skil who seem to have a nice budget range
Wow that clutch test on the Milwaukee!! Someone once said to me mikita for precision (Carpentry) and milwaukee for brute force (mechanics). I guess he wasn't lying!!
Dewalt drill man all my days .I tried the new makita 40v .unbelievable power. It's definitely the best about at the minute but I just prefer dewalt .balanced well and lots of power
And if you are doing this again compare the 40v versions of those brands! Have been using the Makita 40v drill which is great for slightly bigger stuff like hole saw work or augers!
Nice comparison. Would have been good to see how a current Dewalt brushless compared too.
yup, dcd777 or 778
In my opinion the Bosch used to be a great brand. But quite a few years ago they went for the diy market and they never really came back. I know of no tradesmen that use them now. The reason I went with Dewalt was the 18v batteries are good and when you have the 54v tools you can use the 54v batteries on the 18v tools so if you’re drilling lots of holes you don’t have to keep changing your battery.
Parkside performance. 5 year warranty. One third the price. Can't go wrong.
Interesting test, although I do think you should have included a hammer action test into brick/ stone as many people won't want to buy a separate sds drill. I bought the Makita 485 last year and it great. Only issue I have is that somethings bits slip. Not sure why??
i know its another channel but TTC (torque test channel) take each drill and impact and test the power outputs to see if the match what the manufacture says it does and they have the table and information i think on there website. that might be useful to someone if looking for more indepth info for the next purchase.
Makita all the way for me, I bought a Bosch pro random orbit sander for over £200 once. Didn’t use it much but the securing bolt to hold the sanding pad sheared off which was vey dangerous but it was out of guarantee by then so won’t buy any Bosch tools again.
About five years ago I moved from Dewalt to Erbauer and never looked back,cheaper to buy and do everything I ask of them,only downside is the other trades take the mick lol but hey so far the scum bag tool thieves leave me alone even they are tool snobs lol
My Erbauer gear had to go straight back as dangerously faulty. Still have a jigsaw that's good enough. Glad to hear it works for some. Like Evolution, if it works, it's excellent. But quality control is very variable.
I have the Milwaukee with anti-kickback feature and that's a game changer. I had the Makita before and I had such a bad injury from the kickback that it took my wrist 6 months or more to heal completely. I will not buy any future tool without this feature.
Stuart,
One thing that turns me off about some drills is the plastic keyless chucks.
I like a good knurled metal chuck, these are a lot easier to use down the track.
Personally I would never buy a DeWalt tool, I was provided with these tools with an electrical installation company.
They just don't have the back-up service and return policy that Makita does.