BEST 12V Multi-Head Drill Driver
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- Опубликовано: 30 мар 2020
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Bosch: shrsl.com/26zcy
Festool: shrsl.com/26zd2
Metabo: shrsl.com/26zd7
Milwaukee: shrsl.com/26zd8
Hilti: Not Avail. Yet
12V Cordless Multi-Head Drill Driver Lineup:
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For this evaluation five compact 12-volt cordless multi-head drill drivers were selected including:
Bosch Flexiclick Drill/Driver System GSR12V-140FCB22
Festool 564535 CXS Li-Ion Cordless Drill Set w/ Right Angle Chuck
Metabo PowerMaxx BS 12 BL Q Cordless Drill / Screwdriver
Milwaukee M12 FUEL Drill/Driver Installation Kit 2505-22
Hilti SFE 2-A12 Subcompact Class 12V Drill Driver
Bosch Flexiclick® 5-In-1 Drill/Driver System GSR12V-140FCB22
RPM Low 0-400
RPM High 0-1300
Max Torque 265 In. lbs
Chuck 3/8”
Right Angle Yes
Offset Attachment Yes
¼” Hex Attachment Yes
Head Indexing Positions 12
Weight (w/ battery) 1.8 lbs
Height 7-3/8”
Length 5-3/16”
Width 1”
Bosch Flexiclick
Festool 564535 CXS Li-Ion Cordless Drill Set w/ Right Angle Chuck
RPM Low 0-430
RPM High 0-1300
Max Torque 142 In. lbs
Chuck 3/8”
Right Angle Yes
Offset Attachment No
¼” Hex Attachment Yes
Head Indexing Positions 16
Weight (w/ battery) 2.0 lbs
Height 6-7/8”
Length 6-1/2”
Width 2-1/2”
Festool 564535 CXS
Hilti SFE 2-A12 Subcompact Class 12V Drill Driver
RPM Low 0-400
RPM High 0-1600
Chuck 1/2”
Right Angle Yes
Offset Attachment Yes
¼” Hex Attachment Yes
Clutch 12 settings
Weight (w/ battery) 2.2 lbs
Height 6.9”
Length 5.1”
Width 2.7”
Hilti SFE 2-A12
Metabo PowerMaxx BS 12 BL Q Cordless Drill / Screwdriver
RPM Low 0-500
RPM High 0-1650
Max Torque 398 In. lbs
Chuck 3/8”
Right Angle Yes
Offset Attachment Yes
¼” Hex Attachment Yes
Head Indexing Positions 12
Weight (w/ battery) 1.9 lbs
Height 9”
Length 4-13/16”
Width 3”
Metabo PowerMaxx BS 12 BL Q
Milwaukee M12 FUEL Drill/Driver Installation Kit 2505-22
RPM Low 0-400
RPM High 0-1600
Max Torque 300 In. lbs.
Chuck 3/8”
Right Angle Yes
Offset Attachment Yes
¼” Hex Attachment Yes
Head Indexing Positions 16
Weight (w/ battery) 2.0 lbs
Height 7-3/8
Length 5-3/4”
Width 95”
Milwaukee M12 FUEL Drill
Comparison of Features
By the very nature of a multi-head drill driver, these are full of features and it's a great place to start our evaluation and comparison. While we didn't rank all features (some are similar for all, like all offer a right angle attachment and they are all similar) we did rank ones that had variations that may be important to users when choosing a new tool. For this comparison the following items were ranked:
LED Light - This is a subjective comparison of how effective the LED light is. Considering these are "installation" drivers good lighting is crucial in tight spaces.
MAX Torque - This is from the published values. Small compact drill drivers can benefit greatly from higher torque values as it allows a wider range of fastener applications.
Offset Reach - This is a measure of how close each of the offset heads can install a fastener up against a side obstruction.
Storage - The team evaluated and compared the storage bags/boxes that ship with these drills. The team felt this was important for a tool that has multiple accessories that must be stored, and ideally not lost when moving from job to job.
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Great comparison, thanks! I got the newer Bosch brushless 6 months ago here in Europe. Super light and perfect for narrower spaces with lots of power. For me the Milwaukee hand guard would be in the way sometimes.
Thank you for the great comparision. It helped me a lot on what to look for.
I wanted to point out that the Bosch you compared is the old model.
The newer version has a bushless moto making it smaller ang giving it a whopping 310 inc pound torgue.
it would be interesting to see how it stands up to the others (especially with the 6AH battery giving it a better stand capeability)
Just finished 5 kitchens with the Milwaukee. Thx for your advice and great video. I never buy new tools, until I have checked your videos.
Right on
been waiting for this category forever
I'm based in Scotland so looking at this from a European stand point but i feel like some of the most important factors when purchasing a 12v driver were missed in this test. The most important in my opinion being the fine adjustment in torque/clutch setting for driving delicate screws and fixing during installations. Personally i own a makita 12v drill driver because of its ultra short body (doesn't have multi heads so not applicable) and the Mafell A10 m multi head driver. Mostly i use mine for kitchen and cabinetry installs, they very rarely drill holes (other than screw holes for handles or small pilot holes ) as i normally have an 18v combi drill to hand that is used for drilling into masonry for fixings. Lends its self well to poping holes in cabinets for pipes etc
Normally i think your tests are on the money but i feel like you've missed so key factors in this one...
I was sold on the Milwaukee until I saw the severe wobble and that electronic forward reverse button.. Great review, as always.
Thanks 👍
I got my Milwaukee Installation driver a few months ago and I love it.
You do great reviews/tests...thank you!
Got the bosch 12v and I love it. It's super light and well built.
Great to hear!
Hi there I'm an alarm engineer and I have been using the milwaukee m12 for 6 months now as my 1st and 2nd fix drill driver and it's always on my tool belt I love it apart from the direction button
I was so impressed with the in-depth information that I decided to subscribe. Very informative & a great variety of users. Nothing says it better than experience!
Welcome aboard. Check out our other head to heads
@@ConcordCarpenter I will
Nice comparison. I have the Bosch. I've accidentally dropped the attachments so often that I've decided to replace it. It honestly might happen three times during an evening in the garage (I'm not a professional). Adjusting the chuck torque limit I honesly WAY to often accidentally release the chuck from the tool. This review helped me choose what to exchange it with.
Hey brother. Thank you for the great review. Buying the Milwaukee today. Your review sold me. Absolutely the best reviews on RUclips period. Haha man would it be great if you where my neighbor. Wait no. Scratch that. I would be broke from buying to many tools.
Hope you don’t mind but I went straight to the end and looked at the results THEN I looked at the whole video!
Great work guys!
I am sure this has already been mentioned in the comments below but, I feel a nod should be given to Festool for coming up with this type of tool to begin with. And the CXS has probably been out 10+ years. I have the CXS,vMilwaukee, and Bosch versions of these types of drills and I tend to always reach for the CXS. If I need anymore power I actually jump to my 18V stuff. There is just something about the build quality/fit & finish about it that makes me really enjoy using it. Thanks for the reviews as always, Toolbox Team!
Great review and comparison as always. This was really helpful. I was curious how well the Milwaukee would perform against other comparable installation drivers. Thanks for doing this!
If you talk to a cabinet installer, most that use a Festool prefer that tool, because installing cabinets isn’t about power, it’s about control of your tool, and seating cabinet screws perfectly as smooth as possible. I’m not gonna lie, I bought the Milwaukee because for a DYI’r it has wayyyyy more options to use any bits you want. Plus it has that sweet offset attachment. Plus Festool is priced at $300-$400 plus you have to buy Festool specific bits for that tool. The Festool battery only fits that tool. No flexibility whatsoever. So I may not be a cabinet installer, but I am a M12 and M18 Milwaukee user. The Milwaukee is a sound choice overall. Great review.
Great video! I look forward to getting one of these someday
Just bought the Milwaukee with 2 2AH batteries. Mailbox installation is the challenging application & home, because of working on the mounting space. I didn’t know of the other brands, & that was all they had @ Home Depot. I like it!
The direction switch isn’t perfect but I love it otherwise. Nice solid tool.
I love these reviews so much...not sure why but I can't look away. Would love to geek out testing a bunch of tools all day! ha
Keep up the good work!
Brilliant review, thanks so much. As an amateur DIY wood worker who also makes the occasional cabinet etc, high power and carry cases are not important. What most attracts me is the ability to work in tight spaces, compact, light weight and reasonable cost, so it’s a draw between Bosch and Milwaukee. As the Bosch is more compact, I’ll go with that. It’s just a pity it’s not brushless and brushes are not replaceable. Thanks again.
There's a newer brushless model as well. It's been available for quite some time.
Got the Milwaukee 4in1 use it the most unless I really need an impact driver m12 all day long, love it:)
Thanks for this! I am moving from Bosch to Milwaukee and was curious about the Milwaukee because the Bosch Flex tool is one of my favorites.
One thing that is forgotten about is platform investment. Milwaukee has hands down the most 12v tools. Second I would say Bosch. I have been using Bosch for a long time and they work flawlessly. If your doing woodwork for drilling I would go with FLEX 24v. I do HVAC work so I’m all about the 12V Bosch and Milwaukee.
Super helpful video, thank you. I was on a job site with someone that had the Hiliti, and was immediately sold on it's power. We put an 1" hole in framing lumber in a place where only it would fit. I wonder how Bosch's updated driver changes it's standing. It's now smaller and just as powerful as the Milwaukee for the same cost, though the reviews I've read still mention accidental accessory release.
Wow.This is an excellent comparison video. Great job.
Great review on these products. Thanks
Amazing Review, as always...!
The most important thing to test is clutch sensitivity with smallest fasteners in those tools... And you test everything but that ....
Great pointthx
Who needs precision in finishing work anyway, speed and power is all you need 😉
@@ConcordCarpenter I do that by feel no situation is that consistent you can set it and for get it.
Agreed. My DeWalt drill is far too strong on even the lowest setting. The Bosch brushless Flexiclick has been flawless in this regard.
I've owned that Metabo for about a year now, hands down the best drill I've ever owned. Power of an 18v, weight of a 10.8v. It's so ergonomic, and I kid you not, one of those 4ah batteries sometimes last me over a week (I install office furniture for a living).
You make a good point about the attachments being difficult to put on - the trick is to press the forward trigger whilst slotting them on and then they'll slot on like butter (this need not apply to the chuck attachment though). Don't know about your difficulties pulling them off, however - I've had no problems myself.
The only other cons I can think of for this drill is that the battery slot is unconventional (release button at the back of the drill body) which means that once every blue moon to you'll put the drill down funny or unintentionally put pressure on the button and thus accidentally realise your battery. In a perfect world every drill's battery slots would be like Panasonic's but you can't win 'em all. The other slight niggle is that the 1/4" collet attachment is a bit on the wobbly side. Rarely really are 1/4" collets as sturdy straight as chucks but Metabo's attachment could've been more solid, considering its price.
I'd love to give that Hilti a go, but regardless I don't see myself moving from the Metabo front, not in the world of 12volts anyway.
The advent of brushless power and compactness have transformed this class. Ignore any brushed versions. The new Bosch is brushless, with 130% more torque than old model.
This is a very useful comparison, if a bit subjective in places. Thank you for your efforts.
no, its 30% more torque
@@mvhan911 35Nm vs 15Nm is actually an increase of 133%. Bosch official specs.
@@Tensquaremetreworkshop soft torque is 15 vs 20 Nm and hard torque is 30 vs 35 nm. The naming is confusing. They should name it by using the same parameter.
good video man, going to pick up a festool tomorrow
Thanks
Very thorough comparison, thanks.
Thanks for watching!
Love my Bosch set! They have a newer brushless version I’ll get when and if the old one dies
Had the Bosch for years in uk needs a brushless body, maybe soon impact and drill driver released in uk this month.
You did great job
Brilliant review sir!
Thank you kindly!
Great comparison, good info to use if you are in the market for one of these.
Looked up the Hilti SFE 2-A12 on a Hong Kong suppliers site. For the tool, 2 small batteries and a cheap charger was going to be 2900 HKD. That is about $377. That is almost double the Milwaukee and Bosch prices.
I'm on the fence with the Milwaukee. I was looking for a new daily driver so I bought it a few days ago and returned it the next day. It was well built and attachments were handy but there were three things that really bothered me.
1) The size of the grip. This is a problem with all M12 tools as the grip has to be larger than it should be to accommodate the battery. This tool is meant to be held from the back like a drywall gun so I probably could have gotten over it.
2) The reverse switch is in the wrong place. Yeah once you get on board with holding it like a drywall gun then the button isn't so bad.
3) Not more compact that the tools I was trying to replace. Once you add an attachment out front and have your hand behind the tool the whole setup is longer than my full size Milwaukee Gen 3 drill. The "hand guard" only makes the situation worse and really does tend to get in the way in tight spaces. I did like the magnetic bit holder feature though!
Minor gripes: Tool should run more quietly. High speed is a tad too fast for the amount of torque (bogs down). It should retain hex bits/drills without any attachment (not just with a magnet). LED light is just OK. Lowest setting on the clutch is still too much power for small fasteners.
At the moment I'm trying out the 12V DeWalt Xtreme screwdriver as my daily driver. This thing is tiny, quiet, and powerful. Most of my drills have hex shanks so I don't miss the chuck. If I am in a really tight space I can just use my right angle drill. If I need a ton of power I can just use my Milwaukee Gen 3 drill. If I am framing with screws I will use my M18 surge.
You messed up by taking it back. I have ran all those tools and milwaukee hands ✋ down is way above the competition in durability trust me. Milwaukee is all I run now and they never disappoint.
DeWalt is releasing their own 12v installation driver with muiltple chucks 9/21 -- you may like that.
There are many disadvantages to the Festool CXS. They don't make an offset chuck for it and the battery can't be used on any other Festool tool. Also, the centrotec system is limiting and very an added accessory expense. That being said I still love mine and plan on keeping it as long as possible. I've used the Milwaukee, which is super capable and extremely powerful. It doesn't feel as refined to me as the Festool drill but I would still recommend it. You could pretty much use the Milwaukee for everything and not have to carry multiple drills. You can drive lag screws with it, which is a real struggle for the Festool. Love the review. Would have liked to see the Dewalt in the lineup. It doesn't look like theirs is very popular though.
Great video, thanks for all your hard work. I have the Milwaukee installation driver and I really love it.
i love the milwaukee 2505. i have two 6amp-XC and two 3amp-CP batteries. the recess switches are my new favorite because laying down your tool hard, slightly drop or straight up droping your tool doesn't flip the switched. the tool fits well into my cargo packets. and the grip is oddly unreal. when you go back to other tool, it takes time to shake off having now being off set from being directly the screw.
Vibration, accuracy and clutch should be included in the test.
Great work.
When you check power try and make sure many of these drills aren’t using the tiny batteries because the amp hours do make a difference.... not be partial to Milwaukee because I own them but even when I told a friend to buy the higher amp hour batteries for his makita tools he said they not only last longer but make more power.
The Metabo looks a great bit of kit but it only comes with the keyless chuck attachment. Buying all the other heads pushes the price up quite a bit.
I like the Milwaukee but I prefer using a small drill holster to using a belt clip and I doubt it'll fit with the front handle.
Rob, AWESOME review.!! Have been eyeing the Milwaukee two times now. Will definitely add it to my arsenal after I purchase a couple of other Milwaukee cordless tools - first being the trim router. Thanks again.
Good video
For me Mafell A18 MBL hands down
Mafell is the daddy of woodworking tools
I have had so many festool tools over the past 15 years and was a big fan until I tried mafell plunge saw
It makes ta 55 look silly
While I am heavily invested in the M12 platform. For ergonomics, I prefer Hilti all day long. when you have to fit 3 18650s into a handle, it makes the tool very cumbersome for short stubby and fat hands like mine.
That Hilti is pretty sweet!
I have a non-multi head Hilti drivers and would caution that since the lights are on the battery they may be obscured if you have big hands or are wearing gloves.
Also their drivers are surprisingly heavy. I have had cordless Makita drills but the Hilti drivers weigh 30% more.
If you are Hilti curious check the website. I got my reconditioned Hilti drivers for $49 apiece. They have many good deals there.
The thing that you didn't mention about the festool proprietary central shaft thing is that the extra length and design makes the bit have FAR less wobble than a standard hex bit. This is great for really small screws, or in a situation where you don't want to slip out of a screw head and damage something.
That's why you get Metabo or Hilti and put a cenrotec chuck on it. Btw of all the brands Hilti has the cheapest chucks sold separately. I have to double check on that cause it was half a year ago. I have like 3 jacobs chucks, original bit holder, Mafell bit holder and centrotec. Drill bits that i use the most just stay in the chuck and i just click on/off quickly.
I own two festool drills and can't confirm Centrotec has less wobble. If I want less wiggle I use the Jacobs chuck😂
@@ivannedkov centrotec fits on hilti confirmed?
Use a magnetic bit holder, and you get a secure screw hold.
@@Tensquaremetreworkshop that annoys me to no end. That's why I got the Bosch. The 12V-35FC has 310 in-lbs torque and comes in an L-Boxx. The LED lighting is still sub par.
Did you see the wobble in the Milwaukee at 17:30? I tried one that was just as bad and the tool shook in my hand when used at high speed. Not good.
Thanks. I invested in Milwaukee and was on the fence about this tool because of the location of the forward/reverse button. I will buy the tool now because of this video.
Hello TBB Team, I as a German know that the Festool CXS was not built for this test, if you have dealt with Festool a little more, the Festool does not know (except DRC and PDC) for construction workers but for finish carpenters. It does not matter that the drill driver is powerful and has a high speed, but is mainly used when installing fittings. And here you don't need high speeds, but a sensitive drill driver with a very low speed and good control. Anyone who has ever used a Festool drill driver knows that there is no more sensitive drill driver on the market than this one. What was also neglected in this test is the topic of service, because alongside Hilti Festool there is also a good deal, three years of service plus 10 years of spare parts guarantee !! You won't find that anywhere else. In a nutshell, Festool is a device in itself, which has no place in this test. All four other candidates are built for the rough, Festool is for the fine when accuracy is important. Because the other cordless screwdrivers are rather useless.
Anton Busse great feedback, thanks!
Very true, you hit the nail on the head.
Accurate to make little hole and screw 😁 guarantee 10 y for weakness
All of these are cabinet drills. None of them are powerful or meant for rough construction. They're all meant for finish carpentry.
Festool is meant for finish carpentry in general, but these other brands make tools for all sorts of trades, not just construction.
@@histguy101 I’ve used all of these but the Metabo (although have owned other Metabo drills). The Festool has waaaaaay more control. Any Festool drill has way more control than any other drill. I prefer the T18 over the CXS because neither are torque monsters (gave the CXS away years ago). Meanwhile, I did some framing last week with nothing but 12v Hilti drills. From what I understand the Metabo 12v is significantly more powerful.
Bosch has just released in North America the brushless version of the 12 volt flexiclick (higher torque, belt clip) and finally the 18 volt version with optional sds attachment!
Do you happen to have a hyper link for the Bosch 18V Flexi-click? I love the features all of these drills provide but could use a little more power in certain situations.
Matt Ro
It’s available in Canada. Just came out.
www.mississaugahardware.com/product/gsr18v-535fcb15-18v-ec-brushless-connected-ready-flexiclick-5-in-1-drilldriver-system-with-1-cor
Matt Ro there is a link in description below
@@ConcordCarpenter Much obliged, sir. Stay busy and stay safe!
That thing is pretty nice looking
Very cool test! Much appreciated. As a German, I was always wondering that there are so less multi head drills out there, maybe a festool patent thing which recently ran out, i dont know. For now I love the metabo, the bosch brushless and i like the Milwaukee. The latter downside here is unfortunately an upside in your comparison in the US : price. In Germany I would pay, as of today for the whole Pack with 2 Batteries way more than 300 €... An actual (not thorough) comparison Shows me the Milwaukee for 50€ more than the festool dont even talking about the Rest... Never the less, the price thing is always divided by a big ocean, what the Rest is concerned, love your test, love your approach couldnt want more. Keep up guys and thanks
Thanks for the comment
Been waiting for this head to head. Dying to pull the trigger on one. Pun intended.
yeah, I have the Festool and I should have bought the Milwaukee. The need for the extended but is the same problem I run into with my Bosch impacts. Aside from that, it is a phenomenal tool and it oozes quality.
Thanks for sharing
Good video review
Paid $179 for my installation kit I’m happy o try out my Milwaukee one
I have a Milwaukie which I use for everything. Don’t need another drill at all. This tool covers all I need. Attachments are nice to have in case, but as a go to drill and screw machine it’s as good or better than any other.
I see you were using titan straps in the beginning. Could you give a review on them?
You can get the brushless bosch in the USA now.
Time for a REMATCH!
right and send it in for repair after two weeks...no, thanks u
@@abolit what are you talking about? Bosch tools are generally super reliable. You can always get a lemon but for real I've seen way more people wasting a Milwaukee or DeWalt cordless tool than a Bosch or Makita
Festool was the original drill with the offset heads. My Festool is 12 years old now and still super smooth!
Same here I got the t15 and it’s brill.
Reading your post made me remember what my buddy said about his CXS. He has had it over a decade and loves it! When I’ve worked with him I remember him raving about how well it works. He does kitchens and baths and one remembers how another broadcasts his glee when using the right tool! Festool was the start of these new amazing tools.
C12 and C18 here….. the 18 is a safe queen and the 12 keeps soldiering on. Got one of the last bps 12 s batteries. Cxs is next need it want it😜
Great video. I own (2) Milwaukee installation drivers. I believe the 179.00 price quoted for the Milwaukee is for the tool only. - Kit price is 229.00
I was going to bring up the same thing thank you
How do you like the forward/reverse switch? It's such a deal breaker for me
@@MrArcticPOWER it's a disaster.
But on the last Amazon Day and HD and Lowe’s similar days I bought a ton of Milwaukee stuff. And two packs of their HO batt/charge kits. They’re awesome in that their power is unrivaled to what I’ve used. But they’re friggin heavy lol. I’ve noticed they don’t spin true at all drilling or whatever and I’m watching this vid at 20:20ish seeing the same wobble. Definitely don’t have my Makita’s precision or construction. Any thoughts?
Great detailed review as usual. Best is subjective. I own the Milwaukee and love it. However, the forward/reverse location is insane to me. They have literally hundreds of tool with the easy to use, tried and true slider. For me the Metabo is simply too friggin big for tight spaces. Looks like a full size 18v tool compared to the others. Some may need power over compactness though. I was going to get the Bosch just when the Milwaukee was introduced. Battery platform made my decision for me. I'm honestly a bit disappointed, since I'm also eying the 12v router and planer from Bosch. Now I'll have to wait on the boys from Wisconsin to bring out these two.
I believe you mean the boys from China.
@@girthbrooks39 Yeah, designed and engineered in USA, built in China, owned by China. Can't argue that. The boys from China do a pretty good job on the tools that carry the Milwaukee label. But don't blame China. Blame corporate America. They sold all of our souls and didn't lose a minute of sleep over it.
Nice overview.
Glad it was helpful!
I’m surprised you didn’t mention or seem to factor in the forward/reverse placement on the Milwaukee. I’m all for Milwaukee, but that is tripping me up. Thanks for another head to head though. Nice work. 👍🏻
There are 3 or 4 diferent models of 10,8V so caled 12max multihead milfucky chinesium brand, and only one is this front heavy crap weird switch presented here ( Milwaukee is 100% chinese brand, fuly owned by TTI HK along Ryobi China, AEG/Ridgid power tools, all hobby, and some other ex US brands. Only milwaukee is rated pro but last only 2 year of pro use, and sometimes even only 3 months from new before needing service). One is not brushless ( brushless are crap, 8X more noisy from the fan - larger diameter motor with higher RPM, wey more expensive elctronic driver, expensive motor, and even more expensive gears), nice angled grip, but the same stupid bulky reversed pack compared to Bosch. And there are 2 or 3 more brushless, one new stupid big and heavy, and one or two Okish but with ssme stupid bulky grip. Metabo had an older model bs quick pro, rebranded also as Mafell A10M, with same stupid reverse pack grip, 2 cells in the back and one in front, very bad...
Bosch is OK, but FC angled head is stupid bulky. On FC2 for 14,4/18V there is an optional slim angled head, and also the FC2 bulky model, but for GSR 12V-15 FC and 12V-35 FC there is only the bulky one with blocking function for the excentric head. Hilti is more expensive in EU, is 200 E without the 2 x 4Ah paks and without charger...And is bigger. And is rated for 14mm drilling in wood, and bosch is rated for 25mm and can do even 35, and 12V-15 is heavy duty.
Also Hilti SFE is noisy brushless noisy with expensive parts, and also has a metal outhercase chuck, front heavy and destructive for furniture on contact...
GSR 12V-35 brushless is rated also heavy duty but is new, no long term feedback. Has higher RPM and a bit more torque so I think it needs a bigger pack with 2 rows, 4Ah or 6 Ah, 3 inside and 3 down, I don't trust the kit with 3Ah compact for this model, but for 12V-15 is good, and 2Ah also very good.
Festool CXS is a waste, can't get flush in fiberboard 4x30mm even in speed1, and is slow and we need speed 2. Old Festool T12 @ 2,6 Ah compact was worlds better, altrough not for 35mm drilling...
@@loochan325 your point is?
Some Milwaukee may not be great
Especially the chapter stuff but it's much the same on other brands.
I've had my brushless hammer drills 5 and 6 years still going strong.
Most of my Milwaukee stuff has handled well.
I have the Festool and love the centrotec fitting, the level of play in the bit holder is virtually nil. Also, isnt it 10.8v I don't think this was mentioned in the review unless I missed it. Another great informative review guys, keep them coming and stay safe.
Yeah, there isn't a better bit holder that I've ever used that's as good as the Wiha Centrofix. The Fastcap taper lock comes close.
The 10,8 V and 12v nonsense should everyone already know!!! It's MARKETING!!!!
18650er cells have the min. voltage of 3,6 V (x3 = 10,8V )
But a maximum end voltage after charging of 4V ( x3 = 12V )
Newer cells have even more endvoltage... 4,2 V ( ---> 12,6V package voltage ).
I think Kühn was trying to communicate the fact that 10.8v and 12v are the same thing.
@@robertrada4783
Sorry my English is not so good
Kühn it was just a comment on the stated voltages.
I have seen a AEG version that one of my co-workers imported without the batteries just the bare tool with heads it looks pretty cool too bad that Richard and home Depot won't rebranded and put it hear in the usa but I guess they don't want to step on the feet of Milwaukee the main brand from tti Bosch doesn't have to answer to anyone or festool as well as metabo
Great head to head! What are your thoughts on the location of Milwaukee's forward/reverse button? Seems like it would take some time to get used to.
No, it sucks. Why get used to the bad? You will have trouble finding the current direction. You can't feel it so you will only have to look at these white triangles, and it is impossible to see which one is glowing in direct sunlight.
I want to love the Milwaukee, because I have various M12 tools, but did they design this "installation driver" for a 3 handed person?
How are you supposed to hold something in one hand and drill with the other if you need to switch between F/R, which if you've installed anything, is quite a common need?? Lol
I found myself holding this tool like a drywall gu in the web of my thumb - one you try it you'll see its easy
I'm a healthy guy, and even though I don't have any 12 volt batteries or Chargers I will seriously be considering this thing. It seems perfect for around the house or for jobs that I know ahead of time will be cramped
Will definitely be checking this video out later today, but just a heads up, bosch finally released the brushless flexiclick set in the USA, GSR12V-300FCB22.
I think that's the one we got
@@ConcordCarpenter You tested the old version; the yellow led gave it away. The new one has a bright white led. Different model number too. I do hope you get a hold of one of those to put through the paces. The new brushless model kicks ass.
Keep it up! I'd love to see the toolbox buzz crew do a head to head of the cordless 5" random orbit sanders on the market.
@@NWGR Not only the led color. This 5year old model is longer than the new one.
@@NWGR Interesting - Bosch set us that one.
@@ConcordCarpenter The brushless version literally just came out in the states, so it's no surprise they sent you the old one. Like I said, I hope you get a hold of that one. I think you'll like it. :-)
I have the Bosch, and I got mine in the smallest L-Boxx with an inlay that has each accessory in its own slot. (Europe)
Metabo is best!! Powerfull, light and the quick chuck is easy to use. To adjust and install and remove
Hard to believe Milwaukee has better ergonomics than festool, specially the buttons location and it can’t stand upright.
I put my tools down regardless if they can stand up but, you can see the tool stand up in the video at 3:21. Button location I can surely agree on. Festool requiring specific bits and basically a lone tool (the batteries only go with this tool), makes this a hard sale for me.
Also used the Festool for some jobs and it fits really great in my hands, best I have ever experienced in fact.
festool CXS is still the best in this category. The ergonomics is unbeatable... I tried them all (except the Bosch)
I keep hearing about flimsy/cheap build feel in the festool. Is this true? And is the cxs a brushed tool?
Thanks
@THE BELL LIFE FAN CLUB thank you for the response. Think I’m going to buy 👍
@THE BELL LIFE FAN CLUB thank you, I had read that and hoping the quality is just as good 👍
@THE BELL LIFE FAN CLUB thanks so much !
it is brushed but does not feel cheap or flimsy.
Good review , subject dear to my heart ! Festool is underpowered and exotic .Bosch is a nice shop tool , but not great in the feild . One great thing about Milwaukee is that it’s on a readily available battery/ charger system . Like you guys , I consider the Milwaukee to be the best overall option .
thanks
Great video as always guys! I wonder how the DeWalt 12 volt version of this tool would stack up? They were late to the party.
DeWalt got it wrong. I have a lot of their tools, but not the 12v- tacking the battery on the bottom is just stupid. Fitting it into the handle changes the whole balance (for the better) and is a major point of 12v tools. With brushless, they are as powerful as 18v brushed. And last as long.
Thank you for the insight. My next purchase will be the Milwaukee . Thank you guys for all the information.
It's a reoccurring theme with Festool... underpowered.
I bet Milwaukee wins. Lol. Jk rob. Thanks for your time and effort in this one
I paid $100 for the Bosch on sale at Lowe’s a while back. I’m pleased with it
I believe he works for Milwaukee tool (Chiynna made tools. )😃 or he is a part time salesman for some Mars’s real state commercial.
Well done as always! I've been on the fence about adding the Milwaukee to my collection. I really wanted a baby m12 hole hawg for those hard to reach places that requires a little more torque. It looks like this has it, I'm just not sold on the shape. I need to get my hands on it for a demo. One day when I catch the Milwaukee rep at my store I'll ask.
The Bosch is on super discount on amazon $129 I believe. Super deal
Warranties, repair and service cost is also an important factor when you count value in long term of ownership. How does the others compare with HILTIs 20 years warranty for manufacturing faults, 2 year free repair, and after 2 year they have a maximum repair cost of 40% of what a new one cost for the rest of the tools life span. So no worries what it will cost to repair it in the future. That's why I lean on getting the Hilti, because I think it will be the best economical choise in the long run for. Also I like a company that makes sustainable pruducts that last and want to repair and not throw a away and just give out a new one. Also, if you get the 22v and/or 36v machines too, you can charge all betteries in the same charger, 12v, 22v, and 36v. I think Metabo also have one charger for their 12-36v system
I sure wish “they” had some of these tools before I retired . Don’t laugh... I remember when the Yankee push screwdriver was the first cordless drill driver!
Thanks for another great informative review!!!
You never had to worry about recharging its battery!.
Pete Stanhope me too
I use to use a yankee for doing door hardware in the 80-90's
@@davidhull1610 No, it was your OWN battery that needed recharging after hours of yankee use.
@@chuckschillingvideos that's what a cold beer was invented for! 👍
Nice
I hope AEG and hikoki also come out with a decent 12v range and a tool like this.
Is the hilti available in the UK. As I can't find it. All I can find is the drill driver
Late to the party here, but the CXS includes an adapter for the Centrotec chuck that holds 1/4" bits. Additionally, the nose of the tool also accepts 1/4" bits, so if you go completely chuckless you can put any 1/4" hex shank bit into it; it will be magnetically retained (and if it's short, be a bear to pull out). Its trigger control is second to none that I've ever tried, and it's not built for drilling 3/4" holes through construction lumber - it's meant for drilling small holes and installing tiny to medium sized screws, and it excels in those tasks.
Important issue of Milwaukee - 17:34 what on earth had happened to the center mount of the drill in the chuck ? How can you precisely drill if there is at least 3mm offset from center with the drill chuck ???
"Could be an optical illusion" (c) A Concord Carpenter / ToolBoxBuzz
what about the brushless bosch flexiclick.
I had a Festool , very underwhelming in torque/power . I like the Flexclic , but only around the house , the chuck seems to like to come detached ! I currently carry the Milwaukee in the field ! I made a holster for mine that carries the drill , chuck , 90 degree adaptor . That said , I still have two dedicated angle drills .
The Festool CXS is the weakest of all professional 12v drills available, low rpm and torque. The design is quite old, its technically outdated. But it has the best handling and control, and power doesn‘t matter in fine carpentry.
The Bosch attachments come undone when changing the torque setting. People often accidently move the attachment retaining ring as well, unlocking it. Check the indicator after changing the torque setting.
in malaysia, we can buy 2 bosch with one milwaukee, that huge difference in price
Fudge Festool!!! Milwaukee baby
Good video. To measure "size" in the future, vacuum seal the tools and then use water displacement .
I wonder if the milwaukee would have done better on the spade bit test if the chuck had less throwout 🤔
I was more concerned that the video clearly shows a 5 degree angle of impact but its being pressed in straight not following the angle of the bit which exacerbates the normal trough out of the chuck