X1 Carbon 6th Gen after 4 months of daily usage
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- Опубликовано: 21 авг 2024
- After noticing some people with concerns about the long-term durability of the current-gen X1 Carbons, I decided to make a 5-minute video about my experiences over 4 months with mine. All in all a great machine, but not perfect. Fire away if you have any questions and I'll try to answer.
I love the X1 carbon line but they are really tricky with thermal management, mostly they suck at it. I repasted the CPU, and then loaded up ThrottleStop. I have it set to cap the CPU at 3.1GHZ which is plenty, also I set it to better performance on battery not BEST as it eats battery life. Also a quick .75mv undervault, and basically this beast runs at 40-55c all day long with no complaints, without doing this I was running 60-80c all day long. So with a little work these X1's are some of the best on the market.
how much battery life do you get after doing that?
Very useful and informative video. An honest “review “. You get to the point without saying too much. There are many people that interests them how a laptop will be after a period of usage.
Thank you and keep up!!
there is a microSD slot in the SIM card tray.
@Andrew Thrasher, as John Snow said there is an sd reader in the SIM card slot...
Its important to note that he mentioned an SD card slot which is present on the older thinkpads (fthe X1C1 for sure), a microSD card slot does the same job without the convenience of a full sized SD card slot on the side of the laptop. Its not like he missed it, its just less convenient.
Glad someone pointed this out. If I had watched this and not known anything about the laptop, I would've assumed there was no SD slot (micro or otherwise) and likely decided against getting one! Still an awesome review otherwise, though imo
@MyUTF4 I use it on a daily basis
Thanks for the review! I am choosing my X1 and this review was very very helpful for me.
Good job! Nice review, the music fits well, and thanks for keeping the product in full view at all times.
I know this is older, but there is an SD Card on the Carbon X1's.
It's on the back, same place as the SIM slot is for the devices with LTE. It isn't full size though, only micro
I mention it as the Gen 6 Carbon X1 is still a viable option today
Are there any issues with noise or popping with the audio jack using headphones? How are the speakers?
@@bmp713 No more than any other Laptop PC.
The new X1 Carbons have better speakers than this model, which is now 3 years old, but they are laptops and no laptop has brilliant speakers, unless you go high end gaming. The X1 is designed for high end business use.
@@EsotericArctos Thank you. So no issues with the headphone jack? I read that can be an issue
@@bmp713 I haven't had any issues with the 5 X1's I have in the business, these are all gen 6 and gen 7 though. I would assume current generation doesn't have the issue :)
I ordered the new XPS 13 9380 (i7, 512 GB SSD with 4k Display) from dell's website but I had to return twice (once due to rattling touchpad and once due to half build product- I could see the penny size gap on the back) and just ordered thinkpad x1 carbon. What's going on with the PC market theses days? Apple- terrible butterfly keyboard and took away all userful ports, Dell- Unexpected quality control issues (rattling trackpad, coil whining, overheating), HP- stopped making real laptops; just makes X360s. Decided to try Lenovo, let's see how it goes.
Yeah how is it going?
I am confused between the x1 and t480. Would be ordering one in a week. Just wanted to get a heads up.
Subedi Subas
Same thing here what’s going with PC market
All laptops have quality issues
Now thinking of Lenovo ThinkPad
I don't know what all are doing with their laptops. I repaste my cpu, and test temps. I load up CC CLeaner for Reg Edit cleaner, I load up Malware Pro for my Anti-Virus and I do all the updates on the PC including BIOS and what not. I don't have a single issue with my 6th gen, it literally runs flawless.
@@bigdisme5622 what does repasting cpu mean and what does it aim to achieve?
Higher definition monitor totally worth it. 1440p videos on RUclips look gorgeous.
Are there any issues with noise or popping with the audio jack using headphones? How are the speakers?
Your voice is so radio worthy. You deserve more subs!
love my x1.
The computers are not the problem, the problem is the OS!
I have an X1 Carbon 5th Gen and I found switching to Ubuntu helped my temps/fans a lot. Windows has way too many processes that feel intrusive to my workflow. I know Linux isn't a viable option for a lot of professions, though.
Just curious, how do you clean your laptop?
Hey did you happen to repaste or undervolt your laptop?
A review by a true user, that's what I want, thank you !
I love this laptop so much as an owner
Are there any issues with noise or popping with the audio jack using headphones? How are the speakers?
Just ordered mine with a FHD non-touch display and i7-8550U, 16GB RAM. Super excited because even honest, genuine reviews like this one haven't scared me a bit! Should make a great everyday laptop. Heat is my only concern, but with high performance chips and tiny carbon/magnesium cases, theres not a whole lot you can do :-/
Do you like it? I'm thinking of getting the exact same spec
Are there any issues with noise or popping with the audio jack using headphones? How are the speakers?
Somehow never saw these comments. It's now been almost 3 years and it's still going strong except the battery has lost some capacity (but I leave it plugged-in almost 100% of the time, and don't limit it to 80% charge, so I knew I was not treating it well).
The computer definitely gets hot when you're using it a lot, and you have to be mindful of covering up the fan intake if you're using it on your lap or a soft surface, but it hasn't caused any issues...just don't use it in direct sunlight. Black metal casing + beating sun = overheating!
No popping with the headphone jack except for the usual when you plug in or unplug, but, admittedly, I don't have that much experience with it because I almost always use Bluetooth.
The speakers, I hate to say, are pretty lame. Totally fine for conference calls, and decently loud, but tinny.
Honestly I find this to be a fantastic business laptop and, after using it 8-10 hours a day 5 days a week since buying it, I still don't feel like a need a newer one and it still blows me away with how thin and light it is. Oh, and I use the Trackpoint *constantly* lol
Brilliant review, just what I needed. Thank you.
My T480 has aged well too.
You should really dual boot it with Pop_OS from System76 and give us a review in another 4 months. Thanks for the review!
I have Pop on my X1E and it can play 12 hours of video straight on 80Wh battery. Of course this is with Intel GPU and with other tweaks such as tlp and undervolting.
@@PRAGEETHKARUNADHEERA your battery, at 80Wh, is huge!
I usually change the power plan settings to where you can set the maximum performance level % of the CPU. I just set it to 99% so it doesnt turbo boost.
The Simcard slot works as an SSD CARD READER TOO.
I just bought a 7th Gen think pad wish i had saw this review before hand tho but i only paid about 300$ for it so hopefully it should be decent to just do class work on
Great video thank you! Switching from a MacBook to a Thinkpad this week for work
Lost in Hilbert Space so how was the switch I’m thinking of doing the same
Do you keep your machine on performance mode all the time? I think this is the reason behind your complaints on battery life and the fan running all the time.
I have the i7-8550u with the wqhd hdr display, and I get 10 hours of battery life streaming video. You need to adjust your power settings and kill off unnecessary programs running in the background that kill your battery. For virus and malware protection, use windows defender + malwarebyte + adwcleaner, adjust their settings so that they don't run on startup, and you're good to go.
Since you have the 500 nits display, how's the brightness on your Thinkpad? I mean, can you work outside with ease?
It's really bright, but you still do see light reflections. This is why I am installing a matte screen protector to eliminate glare
But he uses it for work too, in companies you may not have the choice of the antivirus you use, you are connected to the work network so you abide to the rules
I've been using Ubuntu for years, no antivirus, and never got infected or hacked. Now all that spare RAM and CPU can get gobbled up by Chrome...
my XC16 with i5-8250U battery life is around 12 hours with normal usage.
Thanks, Andrew for the video. You mention you use a dock, may I ask which one you are using. I am planning to have the X1 with 2 1080p monitors
Glad you enjoyed it! I have the Lenovo Ultra Docking Station. Either it or the Pro Docking Station will work for dual monitors up to 4K.
@@AndrewThrasher1987 thanks for the reply. Found the ultra dock on sale. Will go for that solution!
@@AndrewThrasher1987 on second thought. When running dual 4K or 2K will the screen for the X1 still work? Started thinking about dual WQHD -2x4K way over my budget.
NICE VIDEO!!!👍🙂 Very useful!
But What are you thinking about i5 and i7 processors?
Is there a big difference?
Thanks. Almost no difference between the i5 and the i7 on this model. I wouldn't pay much extra for an i7 if all other specs are equal.
What’s up big fella, great video. I am enjoying my gen 7 thinkpad x1 carbon. How is the screen holding up? I’m just cleaning it with a microfiber cloth, have you ever tried to use alcohol wipes for the screen or the keys??
Thanks Don. Screen has held up mostly well, but I do have one spot where there's a white mark on dark backgrounds from where it must have been pushed against the keyboard with a bit of force. That's a relatively recent development, so I may have simply gotten a bit careless after babying it a while. I've used alcohol wipes 2-3 times to clean up the palm rest/lid, but it doesn't seem to make any difference in how long it takes to get dirty, and no doubt would damage the finish if done enough. I never use alcohol wipes on any screen. Even if coatings have changed and it's now ok, I'd rather play it safe than sorry on the display.
Andrew Thrasher thanks for the reply I’ll see how my holds up but I love it. Awesome laptop!
i like my t420
We have T420 in the office and it takes about 20min to start them and approx similar time to shut down...
Bernd Haverkock ouch, i’ve got an ssd in mine and it boots in under 30s
@Agnostic Realist that might be because boot times solely depend on storage speed and os
Hey. Thanks for the video, it was very helpful.
I've got a question about the downscaling with a 1080p external monitor. How bad is it? I've tried searching about the issue on the Internet, but to no great luck. Mind providing a photo / telling something more about it?
Microsoft actually released an update about 8 months after I made this video that fixed the mixed scaling issue. I've used various combinations of scaling since then with no issues, so I wouldn't worry about it.
Is there a reason why you don't use the fingerprint reader?
My office doesn't yet support biometric authentication for network access, so unfortunately the fingerprint reader is a no-go, but we got a discount on models with this specific make. I have a Yoga 730 for personal use with an identical-looking fingerprint reader, and find it gets smudged up too easy. I have infinitely more issues with it than even a Moto E4, which is a budget phone. Seems to work better for some people, but I wouldn't count on it. I used the X1 fingerprint reader the first couple days I had it, and it had the same issue. YMMV though.
Beautiful machine.
i used this with Linux and there are no heat issue for me. Specially when it comes to the programming and web researching there are no any heat issues..
Dead Blast What type of programming do you do on it?
Java and python. And also web programing. With at least 7 or 8 hours. It get warm some times but its not hot. Cooling system handle it. Some times i play small games and no issue for me. I have the core i5 intel UHD midel.
Did you do a dual boot? What type of distro did you use? How's the driver support? Thanks!
I have an X380 and it's the same. Windows will make the laptop hot while linux the fans don't spin at all. I get about 10 hours of online note taking with it.
@@vincentfideles4819 i used the dual boot. Yes. I use the wndows 10 and Ubuntu 2016 version. For that ubuntu version there are no fingerprint drivers. So that feature does not works. Otherwise all performed very well.
hey there! thanks for sharing your experience with the x1. I have a question: how is the coil whine/fan noise situation? I am considering picking one up myself for uni but I tend to be very sensitive when it comes to noise output from my laptops. If you could give me a short feedback on that, that'd be highly welcome :D
No coil whine at all on mine, fortunately. The fan is audible at times, but I don't really notice it that often. That said, I spend almost all of my time with it in a noisyish office environment and am not that sensitive to fan noise, so YMMV.
Which fan is built in your model? Is it the Nidec / Furukawa one? Did you experience a high-pitch noise / sound? Thanks
Lots of processor heat & throttling, fan on right hand side (most mouse users are right handed), case & lit covered in fingerprints, screen scaling issues, no SD card slot, average keyboard, compared to other Thinkpad models, average battery performance ..... otherwise a pretty darn awesome laptop.
I believe there's a micro SD slot in the Sim tray
I am running Windows 10. I downloaded the Lenovo updating updating software that updated the bios, and that fixed it.
Does it have a back lit keyboard ? Backlit is standard offering nowadays even in the lower priced ones . It's a big convenience and For the price, hope it does have one.
It does
Hi, nice video. Would you recommend it with a eGPU for video editing with davinci resolve? Thank you.
It does pretty well with short videos in Premiere Pro and After Effects, and I'm sure an eGPU would make a big difference in playback, which definitely can be slow to pre-render with effects applied. For making longer 4k videos (above 5 minutes) I'd prefer a desktop or a beefier laptop with an H-series CPU, but this is probably one of the better ultrabooks for the task, as I've yet to have it throttle below boost speeds and it's easy to get into if you need to clean the fans or want to repaste for even lower temps.
Andrew Thrasher thank you for the answer. We all want all in one solutions (Hybrid shooter) but they realy dont exist. Thank you.
cpu.userbenchmark.com/Compare/Intel-Core-i5-8350U-vs-Intel-Core-i5-8300H/m388461vsm425634. This type of CPU is not good enough for video editing. Even though with eGPU, try to find more good CPU and check it through link above.
Hi, can you do a review on LCD see how does it show apps with and without scaling. Also usage with 100% scaling and max resolution.
I've just ordered one of these, coming from a Dell xps 13. Really hoping there's no issues with it, my xps was a headache with crackling speakers and lately a flickering screen.
Hey Kevin, no issues with crackling speakers for X1?
my 6th gen I bought used, and the thing is a f'ing monster. Fresh Install of W10 Pro, all updates from Lenovo, Install CC CLeaner, Malware Bytes Pro, and let her rip. I did re-paste the CPU and I do have TTFan control sometimes I load it up if it starts to really crank out some operations, but it's a smooth laptop.
My 6th gen has been in service 4 times for trackpad issues. The trackpad is horrible. I've read this version has quality control issues.
If you use a mouse does the exhaust get annoying by constantly heating up your right hand? That is my main concern.
It doesn't particularly bother me, but I don't use a mouse with just the laptop that often, so it might get annoying if I used it a lot. I normally am docked with a separate keyboard and mouse.
That's a good point. I have a T480s and I use a mouse. The heat on my right hand is very annoying. It's something I had not considered before buying.
color correction is warm. laptop color looks different.
Paint comes off easily, even if you take care of it very well (it's starting to peel off at 0:43), the X1 also has display lid issues and the keyboard quality is a lottery. I would get the XPS 13 instead - eventhough the Dell's keyboard has a very low key travel and no trackpoint.
www.tomshardware.com/news/lenovo-laptop-quality-control-issues,37510.html
Glad I went with a Mac 15" purchase vs a Thinkpad X1 Carbon. Been a long time user of Thinkpads but the build quality and little things like plugging in external monitors and it just working is something Windows 10 does not do well.
Hi! Does this laptop feature eSim (as well as the physical nano-Sim, that is)?
99% sure it doesn't.
2.4-2.5? The MacBook Pro 2018 does 3.1
Btw no scaling problems, and no battery life problems with the larger 2k screen
Nice walking MacBook advertisement.
Don't use Sophos and get rid of the overheating problem? These days using the built-in windows antivirus is probably the smartest way anyway.
@Zack Shippage Yeah, the problem is dramatically lessened at least, but there are rootkits and the like for Linux also. But I do have Kubuntu on several machines I use regularly.
X1 carbon 6th gen won't turn on it just blinks i just updated the java then later on shutting it down then later opening it won't turn on
thinkpads are the macbooks of the pc world
then what is a macbooks in a mac world?
Carlos Kim nope it’s the Matebook
I am not able to charge mine with samsung usb C charger, but lenovo adapter usb C. Do you think i am missing something ?
Is it a metal frame still or plastic like the older ones? (Plastic was lighter and not ice cold to touch in winter)
Hi, the paint of my x1 carbon has started to wear, off, and I can start to see a doted line appearin at he bottom of the palm rest- is this the case for you as well?
I’m considering getting this model for work. Wanted to ask, which dock did you go with and which cord do you use in order to connect to your external monitor(s)?
Muy buen review. Gracias.
Me voy a comprar una. Esta de huevos.
Are there any issues with noise or popping with the audio jack using headphones? How are the speakers?
You dont have any coating peeling? I heared that this version suffer a lot from broken edges coating after short time.
Hey I've owned this laptop for over a year and I haven't gotten any coating peeling.
Does anyone have issue with this model where the laptop restarts right after you shut it down?
i have read that there is micro sd in the back?
This laptop is good for programming
both yoga 730 and xps13 are still better for you IMO but I can get why you would be attracted to the sexy x1 carbon......
Displaying crazy heat levels from only running Excel, I would not bet these will have a long lifespan, I would say they will be a paperweight in under 3 years.
I want to know the name of your dock with external display . Thank you !
I use the ThinkPad Ultra Docking Station with it at work, with a 4k monitor running through DisplayPort at 60Hz.
Hey people, can anyone help me with what specs should i go with this carbon x1? and Does it have a dedicated graphic card?
how you can you clean the laptop since it easily fingers stamps on this carbon material?
Wiping it down with a microfiber cloth does a decent job of hiding fingerprints by spreading them out evenly. Once it gets really gunked up, I'll wipe it down with a damp washcloth then dry it with a clean washcloth. Unfortunately there's really no way to keep it fingerprint free aside from wearing gloves.
@@AndrewThrasher1987 many thanks
hey, can the 6th gen with i7 8550U and uhd 620 edit video? with premiere pro cc and after effect?
Have you tried using a Linux distro on it? If so how did it do?
I haven't used Linux on mine, since my work PC use is all Windows-based, but everything I've read suggests that it's a great machine for Linux. I think you'd need to disable safe boot in the BIOS, but could then install from a USB stick like any other computer.
Who on earth installs antivirus on Win10 when you have everything built in? Those are buggy memory hogs that destroy your computer
Corporations.
I returned mine immediately because of coil whine.
Hey Andrew, is there much screen flex?
hey should i buy a lenovo ThinkPad X1 Carbon 6th / i5 8é Gén V-Pro Quad-Core / Ecran FULLHD IPS Tactile / 8 Go DDR4 / 512Go SSD NVMe Or
DELL Latitude E5490 comme neuf neuf / i5 8é Gén V-Pro/ 8Go DDR4 / 256Go SSD NVME /14" Full HD ( 200usd less than the lenovo )
1:20 Do I see floppy disks in the background?
You sure do. I have a bit of an interest in retro computing and picked those up to play around with the floppy drive on an Inspiron 4000 (the original Pentium 3 one) I picked up a few months ago.
just dont use the bloatware called windows
How do you clean it of the smudges and fingerprints?
Which is better core i 5 6th gen or core i 3 8th gen
Really good question. A basic comparison (www.cpubenchmark.net/compare/Intel-i3-8130U-vs-Intel-i5-6200U/3225vs2556) seems to favor the 8th Gen i3, and looking at the specs, it does appear to have the edge, at least comparing the i5-6200u to the i3-8130u. Clock speeds are similar, but the 8th gen i3 has a larger cache and slightly updated graphics. Another factor you may want to consider is the quality of the rest of the machine, if you're looking at laptops. One of the reasons I had to look up stats on the i3 is that they often get used in laptops that are unfortunately a bit junky. While you may sacrifice a bit of CPU performance, getting a two-year-old mid-range to high-end laptop can be a better purchase, as you get a better screen and build quality.
@@AndrewThrasher1987 I'm Iraqi and I can't understand what write you .. please choose one ethier core i 3 8th gen or core i 5 6th gen
@@qa.e7 i 3 8th gen
I am an engineering student and I want a laptop to study and engineering programs .. Any quality and specifications Buy! My budget is $ 600
Is that better to buy second hand Lenovo X1 carbon laptop?
Problem is Window.
I had this laptop, but i had to return it since it had a camera defect ;-;
This laptop doesn't have a think shutter
This one over the 730?
Biggest pro for the X1 is build quality and the availability of 16GB of RAM. As a second machine to use around the house or in meetings I really love the Yoga's style and touch-screen, but the RAM limits it as a do-everything laptop and I think the X1 will hold up better for a student or business user frequently moving it around. Primary machine or if you write a lot, get the ThinkPad. Second machine for light use at home and occasional vacations, save some money and get the Yoga.
Saw you got a x230 over there
Almost, it's my T420s. Looks a lot like an X-series from the side.
Very nice. Im still rocking the x230 in 2018 🤣
I was right on the verge of picking up an X230 tablet on eBay earlier today. Love that classic wedge design!
@@AndrewThrasher1987 if you can get a good deal, its a really good laptop. Love the travel friendly size and small foot print.
Hey me too
Xps13 ,x1 6th
What’s better?
Paint comes off easily, even if you take care of it very well (it's starting to peel off at 0:43), the X1 also has display lid issues and the keyboard quality is a lottery. I would get the XPS 13 instead - eventhough the Dell's keyboard has a very low key travel and no trackpoint.
www.tomshardware.com/news/lenovo-laptop-quality-control-issues,37510.html
Why didn't you get a T480s?
Don't you undervolting it?
Charge 45 watt
How’s this machine running nowadays?
It's doing great great. I have one spot around the back left corner where I lost some coating, but it's very small and doesn't seem to be spreading. All else is peachy and it's been running perfectly the whole time.
@@AndrewThrasher1987 Thats awesome, i really want one. Apple has betrayed me smh lol
Nice
Get the FHD Laptop screen? :-o Get a QHD monitor for work instead! There you go! You definitely can tell the difference on a 24 or 27 inch monitor!
Do you thing that on a thinjpad t480 these problems (battery life, termal issues) are solved? Do you thing it s weight is a big weak point?
Sorry for the delayed reply. The T480 for sure solves the battery life issue. It's a beast in that regard. Thermals definitely should be better as well with the same configuration, since the T480 is built to support a dedicated graphics card, meaning the cooling should be well equipped for integrated graphics. Weight is the obvious drawback, as it's over a pound heavier. If you need the battery life though, being able to leave the charger at home could help offset that. If price isn't an issue, it really comes down to battery + ports vs extra portability and cool factor.
Andrew Thrasher My only issue with the t480 is the screen quality. If it had a HDR screen it would be the pick of the thinkpad line up for me.
Weight shouldn't be an issue. The t480 is less than 4 pounds. The x1c6 is an ultralight, normal laptops aren't that heavy anymore.
Not for video rendering!!!
is a X1 3rd Gen i7 worth it now in 2018 ? for 700 €
That wouldn't be a good deal in the US, though I've heard that used ThinkPad prices can be quite a bit higher in Europe. I would have a hard time paying more than $550 for even a nice 3rd Gen X1 unless it was literally new. Like I said though, the market may be different where you are.
@@AndrewThrasher1987Thank you for replying. Currently living in Germany :(
@@fjolublar From what I've seen on reddit, Germany is the one European country that seems to have almost as many ThinkPads as the US. They seem to be popular at colleges there, so maybe checking classifieds in college towns could help land a scoop. Good luck!
1:25 just use Linux. Problem solved.
EX0stasis do you mean dual boot or Linux only? I’m thinking about getting the X1 carbon but run only Linux
Have you ever used a macbook before? How would you compare the track pad to the mac?
I haven't used a Macbook every day since 2009, though I've certainly spent time all newer models. The X1 Carbon's trackpad is worse in every way than a Macbook, but it's not horrible. There are 3 main drawbacks I've noticed compared to a Macbook (or even an excellent Windows trackpad): (1) clicks are kind of mushy, and it feels like a lot of travel, which can affect accuracy, (2) the small size by 2018 standards to accommodate the trackpoint buttons, and (3) it seems to get gunked up more easily (in both look and feel) than other glass trackpads. Like I said it doesn't suck, I never have had a problem with it doing anything weird and it feels nice, there are just many better trackpads out there.
@@AndrewThrasher1987 Thanks for the reply. This is a rather big concern for me as I've read reviews that the trackpad on lenovo's weren't the best and it seems like you may have confirmed that. Ugh.... From everything else, it seems like the X1 Carbon ticks all the boxes.
Luckily, Lenovo has a 30 day warranty, so i'm going to bite the bullet and see how it goes.
Thanks for the review and your time. I really do appreciate it!
X1 plus OLED please
FUBAR)))) great word...
I own a thinkpad x260: the keyboard and mousepad looked old, consumed, after just 2 months.
A distinct "made in China" feel, thinkpad going down the drain.
And speaking of feel, all the praising in this video feels a lot like an ad.