The AFL sells its TV rights for over $2 million dollars a game. So why on Earth is the Taxpayer paying for this Stadium? This is obscene Corporate Welfare.
I just noticed your name, so you're an obssive complainer. You know all that tax payer money to build the stadium will go to people working to build it right? I find that a much better form of government spending rather than making more public service jobs or handing it out to people that choose not to work.
@@shanerorko8076 NRL, AFL, and Soccer Clubs do not share Stadiums. .They used to too but not any more. Marvel Stadium when it was being built was a promoted as a Multi Purpose Venue. With Soccer, Rugby Union, NRL. Have a look at how many non AFL events have been hosted there in the last 10 years.
@@shanerorko8076 The Stadium is simply another delaying tactic from the AFL, so they can have NTH and the Hawks subsidized by the Taxpayer for another 5 years. There are lots of much more important things that those workers could be building than a 3rd Stadium in a State with 1 AFL Team, 0 NRL, Rugby Union Teams, and 0 Soccer teams. Are you aware that the AFL pays no tax they are tax exempt? They also sell their TV rights for $2 MIllion Dollars a Match. What % of that money do you think Tasmanian Football has seen over the last 30 years?
@@ProStadium Exactly. With a roof, how? They’d have to take of the roof. And coming from a construction background, if the structural aren’t built in, they’d have to demolish most of it. Just build a 40K stadium already.
Highly rate the clear roof. I'd love to see Marvel be renovated to have a clear roof. It would completely change the dynamic of the ground and improve the atmosphere. Like you mentioned the incorperation of timber in the exterior is a nice touch. Not as sold on including in the roof due to maintenance. In saying that I don't know shit about building materials
@@harejam9528 wasn’t the reason they enforced marvel’s closed roof to be permanent because of the shadows though? Making the roof clear would bring that issue back
@@THOOODAInot to mention the sweltering heat on a warm sunny day. People have already complained about the heat in Marvel Stadium during BBL matches, if it was a clear roof with the sun belting in, it would be unbearable.
@@rhysh2639 never heard of anyone complaining about the heat at bbl games at Marvel. If that is an issue, double glazed glass for the roof wont heat up as much as metal. Hobarft also doesn't get very hot, especially during winter
@@THOOODAI Yeah think it was more of a broadcaster issue than spectating from my experience. A clear roof works in LV in USA. No reason it cant work on a smaller scale in Tassie
@@harejam9528 A permanently fixed glass roof is a stupid idea. It's fine for footy in winter but since they also want to use it as a cricket stadium, we also have to take that into account. Hobart may not get hot as often as mainland capital cities, but it still gets warm/hot occasionally in summer and has intense sunlight. A glass roof would make it an absolute hot house inside. I think you underestimate how much effect a glass roof will have on the temperature inside on a sunny day. A little ventilation won't make much difference when there's a massive glass dome over the top amplifying the sun's heat. It might be 30 degrees outside but around 45-50 degrees inside, possibly more; uncomfortable and unsafe for players and spectators. On top of all that, I don't think the ICC allows roofs on stadiums anyway. If they do a roof, it needs to be retractable, that way they can open it for cricket matches in the summer.
And a properly functioning public transport network. I can guarantee that the vast majority of spectators that want to goto a football game WILL drive their car and wonder/complain why the city is in gridlock and there's nowhere to park. 🙄
Eddie McGuire was the guy who first suggested it must be a dome to get the Tassie team up. Amazing how powerful that guy is. They are only going to play five or six home games at Hobart the the balance up at Launceston. Isn't Hobart the second driest capital city in all of Australia? You expand seating by removing the seats. All standing room.
@@DeadManDownunder 40k is waaayyy tooo much for a population far less than the gold coat/gws fan areas whom have almost identical capacity of their stadiums
@@xshar4 yeah tassie as a state having a similar population as the gold coast in a much larger area makes it hard to justify going anywhere near 40k, i think 30 probably isn't a bad number but i think keeping it low to mid 20's will probably be more than fine for most games
The AFL has been shafting the Tasmanian Taxpayer for decades. Forcing them to pay millions of dollars in exchange for crappy Hawthorn and Kangaroos games that normally involve the GWS and Suns. This Stadium is the most Disgraceful example of Corporate Welfare that you will ever see.
You have to invest to create jobs. There is a serious lack of work in Tasmania, this stadium project will give a lot of people work for many years, and once it's finished there will be ongoing visitors coming all through the winter. That means money spent on hotels and food, all increasing jobs for locals in Tasmania.
@@jdillon8360 If you want to create jobs in Tassie then build more houses there is a huge housing crisis in Tassie. The Tasmanian AFL team would get the same crowds at the two current AFL Venues that the AFL has used for the last two decades. How can these two stadiums be good enough for International Cricket, Hawthorn and NTH AFL Matches but not a Tasmanain AFL Team. This is just another AFL delaying Tactic. The AFL likes the current model of the Taxpayer paying NTH and Hawthorn to play their junk matches in Tasmania. The AFL is ripping off Tasmanians just as they have done since the beginning of the AFL in 1990.
@@Kylie-dt8rp the 2 are not mutually exclusive. To house all the workers for the stadium, new houses will need to be built. Building a large, modern stadium requires a whole range of different engineering and project management skills that are different to building houses. This new stadium is going to boost the Tasmanian economy, there will be flow-on effects for decades. With climate change and overcrowding affecting Melbourne and Sydney, Tasmania is set for boom times in the future. Having modern, comfortable stadiums for concerts and sporting events is another box ticked that will stimulate the Tassie economy faster.
@@jdillon8360 So you are saying all the staff freezes and non hires in our hospitals and schools will help employee a bunch of mainland tradies bought in to get this done? Because that's what is going to happen. The same as EVERY major project in Tasmania.
That's a very optimistic view of these renders. But you ignore the obvious problems. 1. 51 Meters high makes it three times higher than the heritage buildings on Hobart's waterfront and obstructs Hobart's sacred Cenotaph. 2. Every stadium built in Australia over the past decade - without roofs - has cost north of $2 Billion. Most more like $3 Billion. And Tassie has a long history of projects running way over budget. Rockliff just got dinged in parliament for lying about the 400% overruns on the Devonport ferry terminal which he knew about but kept quiet prior to the election. 3. Tasmania is Australia's poorest state. It has thousands of homeless sleeping in the parks right next to its parliament. Its hospital system is in melt-down with patients dying while ramped in ambulances on a regular basis. It can't even afford to keep Hobart's suburban buses running and the last budget showed a $6 Billion deficit. 4. There's a privately funded alternative, stadium 2.0, that has none of these problems. 5. There's also a perfectly good stadium where AFL is already played just 3km down the road that comes with its own golden sand beach and it's easily accessible to the public with the upgrades to the ferry network that the government has already funded. It would just need a $10 Million ferry terminal instead of a $2 Billion stadium. That stadium, Blundstone, is actually the longest AFL ground in the country and was recently upgraded at Tassie taxpayer expense. 6. But the Rockliff government won't consider either of these obviously cheaper and better solutions for purely political reasons. They have done no due diligence on any of this. Zero. Even these renderings are just a mockup, not a design, and no costings have been done. Moreover most stadium architects have said the site is unsuitable because there's no room for the concrete apron all other stadiums use to distribute their immense weight. 7. The street level renderings here are easily ten times bigger on the inside than on the outside. Unless the AFL has a TARDIS handy, the street level renderings have been squished flat as a pancake. They are simply a lie. 8. Although the Tassie government is spending money paying consultants on this like a drunken sailor - over $100 Million in total so far - NONE of this money has been approved by the Project of State Significance process, which won't complete for at least 18 months. All of that money is pure Sports Rort. 9. The design here is architecturally absurd because (a) it's not a geodesic design and so will need roof buttresses like any roofed stadium and (b) it doesn't have any roof buttresses. 10. Domestic AFL matches in the existing stadium don't even half fill it, and there's no way to get people from the mainland to the stadium since alll the existing planes and ferries between Tassie and the big island are already full. 11. The $240M the feds promised for the stadium turns out to be worth exactly $0 because Rockliff's government forgot to request a GST exemption. So the whole thing has to be funded by the Tassie taxpayers unless private investors come to the party. Which they won't because the business case says the stadium actually loses half a $Billion in its first twenty years of operation and for some reason investors don't like to invest in things that lose money. Oh, and Rockliff promised before the election the public cost will be just $375M, not $750M. 12. The land its supposed to be built on is unstable reclaimed land with water just 3.5M below the surface and also a major sewer line. The estimate cost of just moving that sewer line is, coincidentally, $375M. So ... wow ... apart from all that it's great ...
Why is the team taking 5 years to set up? No other AFL, NRL or A-League team has taken anywhere near 5 years to set up. Even AFLW was setup in under a year. If they can setup a whole league in under a year, why is Tassie taking over 5? If the AFL want a roofed stadium worth $1 Billion dollars, then let them pay for it maybe they can use some of the billions of dollars they rake in by forcing the fans to pay for expensive pay tv to watch what they used to be able to watch on free to air tv for free.
So, it appears that you too have been sucked in by the AFL. As an entertainment venue just exactly how many top line entertainers do you think will cross Bass Strait to perform in front of a "capacity" crowd of 23,000 people? When they can play in front of 3 times that amount in many venues on the mainland. The initial cost is going to spiral out of control in the current economic climate and it's only going to get worse in the short term. As for employment, a lot of these structures require expertise from seasoned individuals who will come from the mainland to perform the tasks. As for football, the team will be made up of de-listed players from other clubs, and players that are well beyond their best years. Maybe 1 or two Tassie boys to get a run deep into the last quarter to give them a run. Further, anyone who thinks that a Tasmanian team could make finals within a forecast timeframe has rocks in their head. I would suggest around perhaps 50-75 years. About the same time it will take to pay off the stadium. And should I mention that the position of the stadium must have been suggested by a member from Monty Python. All other Capital Cities with major stadiums on the planet have a rail system. I can see a lot of frustrated drivers who will be extremely upset, due to traffic congestion. There are only one or two ways into the City by road, and it has been proven in the past, it only takes one traffic incident at any intersection within the radius of the city and then you have gridlock. I could mention more important issues at hand that need Urgent attention but, I seriously consider that this government are far too inept to understand the concept of common sense. No all they believe is that entertainment is far more important than the basic needs of life. Health, Housing, Education. I shall sit back now and watch the debacle as it unfolds. @@CharlesGregory
The AFL needs to pay for the Stadiums that it profits from not the Taxpayer. The AFL is also classified as a non for profit this is wrong, they need to start paying tax like the rest of us.
Looks fantastic. I’d be concerned about glare with the low angle of the sun in winter, a problem that has affected Docklands to the point where they don’t have the roof open for games anymore.
Thanks for sharing. $750 million + Is 3x what it should cost. There is no justification for public expenditure on this. There are many real services and infrastructure projects that are needed. This is a disgusting display of contempt by politicians and the megarich they serve.
The thing that sticks in my craw over this is that the AFL made this unnecessary stadium the make or break condition of having a Tasmanian team and expecting the Tasmanian taxpayer to stump up the money for it, money which could be used for more worthwhile community projects. The stadium will benefit no other sport, there is a perfectly good Bellerive Oval which could be upgraded to a suitable standard that would also benefit cricket. The AFL get all of the benefits and are only kicking in a paltry $15 million of their own money. It's unwarranted corporate welfare and borderline extortion on the part of the AFL - "Build us a new stadium or you don't get a team."
This Stadium is stupid for so many reasons. It's clearly too small every single match will be locked out, it's in the wrong place Launceston Crowds have always been higher than Hobart Crowds, why is the taxpayer paying for it? Why is the AFL not paying for it? Why is a roof needed when there are no roofed stadiums in WA, SA, QLD, NSW, Ireland, England and Scotland.
Hobart is almost 3 times the size of Launceston and is the capital, so it makes sense for the team to be predominantly based there. I agree that the capacity is too small. It should be 30,000 at least (taking travelling fans and finals into account). The roof is absolutely stupid, it's just because the idiots at AFL HQ are so hellbent on it. I HATE roofs on footy stadiums as footy is an outdoor sport.
@@themanintheslacks This silly keeping players line, there is a thing called a salary cap. Lots of players come from Tassie who will chose to go home. How many Footballers from WA, SA or even Melbourne dream of living in Geelong. How many NRL players want to live in North QLD or Newcaslte?
@@rhysh2639 There should be 5 games in Launceston and 6 at Hobart. They need both areas to get behind the team. The Stadium is simply another delaying tactic from the AFL. The AFL LOVES the current set up of the Taxpayer paying NTH and Hawthorn to play junk games in Tassie.
@@Linda-tv6fn They definitely need both areas to get behind them but basing them in Launceston is stupid. I agree with 6 games in Hobart and 5 in Launceston though. The roof is just plain unnecessary but blame the morons at AFL HQ for that.
But with a roof they should surely host more matches, including in some non traditional times like October or March against sides like Bangladesh etc. I think test cricket can certainly increase there.
Why does the SECOND driest capital in Australia need a roof on it's stadium? What OTHER team had to pay this much to get a team? Hobart is more remote than Perth?? Therefore a stadium in Canberra should be$2 Billion? Let's put it in a city that you can't get around (because of 40 years of government infrastructure incompetence). The road corner as rendered is the only link between the north and the south of the city. ALL traffic MUST go around THIS corner in order to move from the north to the south, unless you take a back street. It should be in Launceston where there is the space. Your arguments are biased and ill informed. The protest is NOT because we are NIBBY's, but because it is a poor use of resources. $750 M for a stadium in a city of 250 000 people? In any real context the business plan does not stack up. We can't even fill Blunstone Arena. It's BLUNST'N not Blun Stone!!
What a waste. Assume they get the standard 40 years out of it that's 17.875m per year for 11 games when they already host 8 now. So 3 extra games at 5.95m per game. Its bonkers for 715m (and it will probably be more) you could build 2,000 homes and solve homelessness in Tasmania, you could buy every one of Tasmania's 100,000 students a laptop every 2nd year for the next 14 years, you could build and staff hospitals but no they are building a stadium for 3 extra games
It's fairy land...just google all the other roofed stadiums in the world and check out the immensity of the structures to hold up the lightweight roofs. And Cox reckon they'll be only 800mm to span 160m???
Does the AFL have priority over all the other things that the government could be used for? It seems so. The AFL wants a stadiym let them pay up or shut up!
I don't think York Park is going to have a bigger capacity - from all the info I can find, it should be the same as it is now. It will convert non-seated areas to seated grandstands. Capacity will be a bit under 20,000.
The population of Tasmania is 540,000. So 1/5 of the population can be accommodated at any time. Those 540,000 people must be very wealthy to afford a stadium like this through their state taxes. Where does all this wealth come from?
3:22 yea should be good as you mention no rail and no room for 20,000 ppl to park either. And parking in the suburbs are free. Because any major suburb is 15mins away from the CBD or 30mins for suburbs with the most room.
Fire won't be an issue - the timber is treated. There are actually a few wooden skyscrapers going up around the world. I believe the world's tallest timber building is under construction (or close to it) in Perth. I think the timber roof on the stadium looks great, really sophisticated.
"Let's use timber" ... It's not like Tasmania has a damp climate... There'll be little to no chance of moisture affecting the structure long term... It'll last for centuries... 👊
Today there is 620,000 people in Tasmania compare that with Victoria in 1980 the population was only 2.3 million and Victoria had 13 VFL teams, the MCG had a Capacity of 120,000 Waverly Park 80,000 and there were plans to upgrade Waverly Park to 175,000. If Victoria could support 13 teams with only 2.3 million surely Tasmania with 620,000 can support one or two teams. Also, the 23k capacity is clearly too small.
Actually Hobart already has a stadium that size. It is indeed perfect. Just needs a ferry terminal and a bit of a facilities upgrade. It's just 3km from this white elephant.
Are you assuming that people won't be going there from the mainland to watch games? What happens when 20,000 fans from some other big clubs want to go there to watch a game? This seating is absolutely pathetic for an AFL game. The infrastructure eg. planes and boats to get fans there from the mainland - and accommodation availability - will also be an issue. I'm all for a Tassie team, but can see a lot of problems with this stadium and the infrastructure involved to host games there.
hppe this comes as i would be taking a boat/flying there to watch the blues and tassie devils play (more interesting if it has Channel 7 Graphics and commentators)
This stadium is a horrible waste of Taxpayers money. It is not suitable for Soccer, NRL or Rugby Union. Just like Marvel Stadium and the MCG it will only be used for concerts out of AFL season as it takes too long to get the grass back to AFL standard after a concert. It is clearly too small; how can Geelong have a Stadium with a capacity of 40k while Tasmania has a Stadium with a capacity of only 23k? Geelong has a population of 253k while Tasmania has a population of 620k.
This is an insane use of Taxpayers money. This is money that should be spent on Tasmanian's Housing Crisis. There are already two AFL Stadiums in Tasmania.
No, they are old amateur grounds that make do for a handful of games a year. Professional teams require professional grounds. Want a team in the big time? Pony up.
@@RoBot9491 Tasmania ONLY needs venues for a handful of games a year 5 at one and 6 at the other. There is ONLY going to be 11 games a year in Tasmania. There are no Soccer, NRL or Rugby Union Teams in Tasmania. The AFL generates millions of dollars every year they should be paying for it not the Taxpayer.
@Angela-ob9ei there will be loads of bigger music stars and bands that normally don't come down. And play there. There will be restaurants and cafes all around it. Not to mention all the jobs it will create with the building of it, to work in the cafes etc. And all the money it will produce for the state. Which in turn goes too medical, housing etc. Stress less
@@astonishedhoplite2510 AFL Stadiums cannot host concerts during AFL season as it takes about two weeks to get the turf back to AFL standard. The same is true for Cricket. That is why there is very rarely concerts at the MCG and Marvel Stadium. There will be minimal concerts at the roofed Tasmanian stadium just as there are minimal concerts at all AFL and NRL stadiums in Australia. The Tasmanian Taxpayer is being ripped off.
Hobart vs Launceston. North vs South. Politicians trying to keep everyone happy. Meanwhile TAFE, schools and health have staff freezes on. You can guess why.
@@ProStadiumThen why not go straight to 40K? Kardinia Park is 40K. Keep Bellerive Oval for State cricket and footy, which is 20K, but give Tasmania a world class stadium to host international and BBL cricket.
Atleast it's going to be a minimum of two seating stands all the way around the perimeter. Unlike the Adelaide Oval, where they forgot to complete the northern end. 😂
I though I would share Pete's points from below: 1. 51 Meters high makes it three times higher than the heritage buildings on Hobart's waterfront and obstructs Hobart's sacred Cenotaph. 2. Every stadium built in Australia over the past decade - without roofs - has cost north of $2 Billion. Most more like $3 Billion. And Tassie has a long history of projects running way over budget. Rockliff just got dinged in parliament for lying about the 400% overruns on the Devonport ferry terminal which he knew about but kept quiet prior to the election. 3. Tasmania is Australia's poorest state. It has thousands of homeless sleeping in the parks right next to its parliament. Its hospital system is in melt-down with patients dying while ramped in ambulances on a regular basis. It can't even afford to keep Hobart's suburban buses running and the last budget showed a $6 Billion deficit. 4. There's a privately funded alternative, stadium 2.0, that has none of these problems. 5. There's also a perfectly good stadium where AFL is already played just 3km down the road that comes with its own golden sand beach and it's easily accessible to the public with the upgrades to the ferry network that the government has already funded. It would just need a $10 Million ferry terminal instead of a $2 Billion stadium. That stadium, Blundstone, is actually the longest AFL ground in the country and was recently upgraded at Tassie taxpayer expense. 6. But the Rockliff government won't consider either of these obviously cheaper and better solutions for purely political reasons. They have done no due diligence on any of this. Zero. Even these renderings are just a mockup, not a design, and no costings have been done. Moreover most stadium architects have said the site is unsuitable because there's no room for the concrete apron all other stadiums use to distribute their immense weight. 7. The street level renderings here are easily ten times bigger on the inside than on the outside. Unless the AFL has a TARDIS handy, the street level renderings have been squished flat as a pancake. They are simply a lie. 8. Although the Tassie government is spending money paying consultants on this like a drunken sailor - over $100 Million in total so far - NONE of this money has been approved by the Project of State Significance process, which won't complete for at least 18 months. All of that money is pure Sports Rort. 9. The design here is architecturally absurd because (a) it's not a geodesic design and so will need roof buttresses like any roofed stadium and (b) it doesn't have any roof buttresses. 10. Domestic AFL matches in the existing stadium don't even half fill it, and there's no way to get people from the mainland to the stadium since alll the existing planes and ferries between Tassie and the big island are already full. 11. The $240M the feds promised for the stadium turns out to be worth exactly $0 because Rockliff's government forgot to request a GST exemption. So the whole thing has to be funded by the Tassie taxpayers unless private investors come to the party. Which they won't because the business case says the stadium actually loses half a $Billion in its first twenty years of operation and for some reason investors don't like to invest in things that lose money. Oh, and Rockliff promised before the election the public cost will be just $375M, not $750M. 12. The land its supposed to be built on is unstable reclaimed land with water just 3.5M below the surface and also a major sewer line. The estimate cost of just moving that sewer line is, coincidentally, $375M.
OH, You FORGOT the money already spent on Macquarie Point as well as the $150 M from investors about to be instigated, who departed when the stadium was announced. Maybe they realised the Tasmanian Government was an Olympic gold medalist back flipper.
Don’t care how big or small . My great grandkids will be still paying for it . Why does it need a roof , we get less rainfall than Melbourne, MCG doesn’t have a roof. Nor does gold coast scg ect. Don’t want it on the waterfront , that should be a family place with giant play equipment bbq areas lots of greenery ect .. we have the great north south divide so we get rid of York park , belrive oval , dec , silver dome and just build a giant kickarse stadium in Tunbridge , plenty of parking , never rains . Both ends of the state have to travel .
Although a clear roof is a bit better than what Marvel Stadium has, roofs don't belong on football stadiums. Footy is an outdoor sport. If wanted to watch an indoor sport, I'd watch basketball.
@@shanerorko8076 It would be TERRIBLE for cricket. What if the roof gets damaged by the ball? Also imagine how hot it would get inside the stadium during the summer, it doesn't need to be terribly hot outside for a glass/perspex covered stadium to get hot inside. They would need a very effective air-conditioning system.
@rhysh2639 I have to wonder how you're an expert on clear roofed stadiums? I assume there will be big open areas above the stands for fresh air to blow in. The roof is domed so a high ball is unlikely to hit the roof, if one does I guess they will inspect for damage, but it will have less speed by the time it gets to the roof.
@@shanerorko8076 I don't claim to be an expert but it's just common sense; clear material (such as glass or perspex) magnifies heat from the sun. Even if you have some air blowing in, it's still going to be much hotter inside than outside. Although Hobart is predominantly a cool climate, 40+ temps (although rare) are not unheard of in summer. Even a sunny 25 degree day would feel MUCH hotter inside. As for the ball hitting the roof, the ball has hit the roof many times at Marvel Stadium (which is more than twice the size of the upcoming Macquarie Point Stadium). Roofed stadiums are not good for cricket.
Look at all those squares on that roof no way! Won’t there be huge amounts of shaded squares on the surface? And it’s to small and us Tasmanians don’t want it… this will cost 1 billion plus to finish … yes it will create jobs and tourists but it will never make money… but let’s wait and see… From the overhead view, Looks like a drain plug and a lot off money will go down it, straight to the people who construct it, they will be the big winners
But why are they building it with Bullston Arena still there. The Capacity is still not huge improvement. I would love to see test cricket here though.
Collingwood play in Tasmania! Pfft! It'll never happen. How often has Collingwood had to travel to Tasmania to play the Roos or Hawks since those teams have played games in that state? They'll play the Devils once per year and it will be at Marvel as one of the games that the AFL says Collingwood has to play a Home game at that venue like they do now.
Mate, the reason why Hawthorn or North never play Collingwood in Tassie is because they make too much in revenue to not play them in Melbourne. They are going to have to play Tassie in an away match at some point, and the AFL isn't going to force the devil's to play a home game interstate any time soon. I love a Collingwood bias winge as much as the next guy, but even that is a bit extreme.
Macquarie and Davie Streets as well as the Brooker will be turned into carparks, It's not that hard to provide parking for 5000 - 10 000 cars. I don't understand your problem?
@@nickabbott6278 of course! Why didn't I think of that? And then they'll cement over the Domain. Because football is way more important than better public transport in an already congested city, or anything to alleviate the housing crisis. We're back to bread and circuses. Literally.
@@mitchdunlop14 Um, Australia's second driest capital, Downtown Melbourne is way colder than downtown Hobart in winter, wind chill factor. Melbourne was settled from Launceston, let the AFL inflict it on Launceston who get bigger AFL crowds.
@@mitchdunlop14 Yeh, Nuh, Half the population is in the north and north west (where football is king), Why build a stadium in an isolated region in the most de-centralised state in the nation. Hobart has a harbour, a mountain and MONA. The Gorge was shaped with gunpowder, Launceston deserves a proper draw card, not for the city but for all those in it's area. (Don't tell anyone I said something positive about the place).
allowing for natural light. Marvel is very cold when you're inside, and the sunlight will help warm up the area better than it. When Marvel's roof is open, the sunlight is very harsh for the cameras and doesn't look particularly well in constrast with the dark shaded areas
Imagine how hot it would get inside during summer. Despite being a predominantly cool climate, Hobart can get temps of over 30 degrees, even 40+ temps are not unheard of.
@@GoodolCaz They seriously have not thought this through. A glass roof might be nice during the cooler months, but it's going to be sweltering in summer. On a 25 degree day, it could be well over 40 degrees inside, possibly even 50. That glass roof will intensify Hobart's harsh summer sunlight and people will be experiencing heat stroke. I'm generally against roofs on football/cricket stadiums, but if the morons at the AFL are so hellbent on the stadium having a roof, it needs to be retractable.
Wow how boring a roofed stadium is, no wind, means boring sports imo. If there's a way for the wind to blow through then yea should be good. The wood will be laminate beams, I've seen this used before.
The AFL sells its TV rights for over $2 million dollars a game. So why on Earth is the Taxpayer paying for this Stadium? This is obscene Corporate Welfare.
Because it's not just for AFL.
I just noticed your name, so you're an obssive complainer.
You know all that tax payer money to build the stadium will go to people working to build it right?
I find that a much better form of government spending rather than making more public service jobs or handing it out to people that choose not to work.
@@shanerorko8076 NRL, AFL, and Soccer Clubs do not share Stadiums. .They used to too but not any more. Marvel Stadium when it was being built was a promoted as a Multi Purpose Venue. With Soccer, Rugby Union, NRL. Have a look at how many non AFL events have been hosted there in the last 10 years.
@@shanerorko8076 The Stadium is simply another delaying tactic from the AFL, so they can have NTH and the Hawks subsidized by the Taxpayer for another 5 years. There are lots of much more important things that those workers could be building than a 3rd Stadium in a State with 1 AFL Team, 0 NRL, Rugby Union Teams, and 0 Soccer teams. Are you aware that the AFL pays no tax they are tax exempt? They also sell their TV rights for $2 MIllion Dollars a Match. What % of that money do you think Tasmanian Football has seen over the last 30 years?
@@shanerorko8076 tax payer money could build houses with the same benefits. It is corporate welfare.
It has been confirmed by the designers today that it does have the capacity to be upgraded in the future
How???!
source?
@@mikespearwood3914 magic
@@ProStadium Exactly. With a roof, how? They’d have to take of the roof. And coming from a construction background, if the structural aren’t built in, they’d have to demolish most of it. Just build a 40K stadium already.
@@richardwood9177 They talk about it on the WIN news Tasmania report about the designs. The video is on my channel
Highly rate the clear roof. I'd love to see Marvel be renovated to have a clear roof. It would completely change the dynamic of the ground and improve the atmosphere.
Like you mentioned the incorperation of timber in the exterior is a nice touch. Not as sold on including in the roof due to maintenance. In saying that I don't know shit about building materials
@@harejam9528 wasn’t the reason they enforced marvel’s closed roof to be permanent because of the shadows though? Making the roof clear would bring that issue back
@@THOOODAInot to mention the sweltering heat on a warm sunny day. People have already complained about the heat in Marvel Stadium during BBL matches, if it was a clear roof with the sun belting in, it would be unbearable.
@@rhysh2639 never heard of anyone complaining about the heat at bbl games at Marvel. If that is an issue, double glazed glass for the roof wont heat up as much as metal. Hobarft also doesn't get very hot, especially during winter
@@THOOODAI Yeah think it was more of a broadcaster issue than spectating from my experience. A clear roof works in LV in USA. No reason it cant work on a smaller scale in Tassie
@@harejam9528 A permanently fixed glass roof is a stupid idea. It's fine for footy in winter but since they also want to use it as a cricket stadium, we also have to take that into account.
Hobart may not get hot as often as mainland capital cities, but it still gets warm/hot occasionally in summer and has intense sunlight. A glass roof would make it an absolute hot house inside.
I think you underestimate how much effect a glass roof will have on the temperature inside on a sunny day. A little ventilation won't make much difference when there's a massive glass dome over the top amplifying the sun's heat.
It might be 30 degrees outside but around 45-50 degrees inside, possibly more; uncomfortable and unsafe for players and spectators. On top of all that, I don't think the ICC allows roofs on stadiums anyway.
If they do a roof, it needs to be retractable, that way they can open it for cricket matches in the summer.
Now all we need is the Light Rail.
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And a properly functioning public transport network.
I can guarantee that the vast majority of spectators that want to goto a football game WILL drive their car and wonder/complain why the city is in gridlock and there's nowhere to park. 🙄
@@MrLordSandwich yes, so true
And more public housing.
Eddie McGuire was the guy who first suggested it must be a dome to get the Tassie team up. Amazing how powerful that guy is. They are only going to play five or six home games at Hobart the the balance up at Launceston. Isn't Hobart the second driest capital city in all of Australia? You expand seating by removing the seats. All standing room.
The Premier said the stadium would have 2 stages of expansion, the first to 30,000 and the second to 40,000.
Sounds good but how do they do that with a roof? Would be great if it can happen, though why not just do it all at once
@joshuahansen7050 the study done found 23,000 is the appropriate size. I disagree and think they should build it to 40,000 from the start.
@@DeadManDownunder 40k is waaayyy tooo much for a population far less than the gold coat/gws fan areas whom have almost identical capacity of their stadiums
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@@xshar4 yeah tassie as a state having a similar population as the gold coast in a much larger area makes it hard to justify going anywhere near 40k, i think 30 probably isn't a bad number but i think keeping it low to mid 20's will probably be more than fine for most games
The AFL has been shafting the Tasmanian Taxpayer for decades. Forcing them to pay millions of dollars in exchange for crappy Hawthorn and Kangaroos games that normally involve the GWS and Suns. This Stadium is the most Disgraceful example of Corporate Welfare that you will ever see.
Here Here!! Apparently they laughed when the Tasmanian delegation left one of the early meetings.
You have to invest to create jobs. There is a serious lack of work in Tasmania, this stadium project will give a lot of people work for many years, and once it's finished there will be ongoing visitors coming all through the winter. That means money spent on hotels and food, all increasing jobs for locals in Tasmania.
@@jdillon8360 If you want to create jobs in Tassie then build more houses there is a huge housing crisis in Tassie. The Tasmanian AFL team would get the same crowds at the two current AFL Venues that the AFL has used for the last two decades. How can these two stadiums be good enough for International Cricket, Hawthorn and NTH AFL Matches but not a Tasmanain AFL Team. This is just another AFL delaying Tactic. The AFL likes the current model of the Taxpayer paying NTH and Hawthorn to play their junk matches in Tasmania. The AFL is ripping off Tasmanians just as they have done since the beginning of the AFL in 1990.
@@Kylie-dt8rp the 2 are not mutually exclusive. To house all the workers for the stadium, new houses will need to be built. Building a large, modern stadium requires a whole range of different engineering and project management skills that are different to building houses. This new stadium is going to boost the Tasmanian economy, there will be flow-on effects for decades. With climate change and overcrowding affecting Melbourne and Sydney, Tasmania is set for boom times in the future. Having modern, comfortable stadiums for concerts and sporting events is another box ticked that will stimulate the Tassie economy faster.
@@jdillon8360 So you are saying all the staff freezes and non hires in our hospitals and schools will help employee a bunch of mainland tradies bought in to get this done? Because that's what is going to happen. The same as EVERY major project in Tasmania.
That's a very optimistic view of these renders. But you ignore the obvious problems.
1. 51 Meters high makes it three times higher than the heritage buildings on Hobart's waterfront and obstructs Hobart's sacred Cenotaph.
2. Every stadium built in Australia over the past decade - without roofs - has cost north of $2 Billion. Most more like $3 Billion. And Tassie has a long history of projects running way over budget. Rockliff just got dinged in parliament for lying about the 400% overruns on the Devonport ferry terminal which he knew about but kept quiet prior to the election.
3. Tasmania is Australia's poorest state. It has thousands of homeless sleeping in the parks right next to its parliament. Its hospital system is in melt-down with patients dying while ramped in ambulances on a regular basis. It can't even afford to keep Hobart's suburban buses running and the last budget showed a $6 Billion deficit.
4. There's a privately funded alternative, stadium 2.0, that has none of these problems.
5. There's also a perfectly good stadium where AFL is already played just 3km down the road that comes with its own golden sand beach and it's easily accessible to the public with the upgrades to the ferry network that the government has already funded. It would just need a $10 Million ferry terminal instead of a $2 Billion stadium. That stadium, Blundstone, is actually the longest AFL ground in the country and was recently upgraded at Tassie taxpayer expense.
6. But the Rockliff government won't consider either of these obviously cheaper and better solutions for purely political reasons. They have done no due diligence on any of this. Zero. Even these renderings are just a mockup, not a design, and no costings have been done. Moreover most stadium architects have said the site is unsuitable because there's no room for the concrete apron all other stadiums use to distribute their immense weight.
7. The street level renderings here are easily ten times bigger on the inside than on the outside. Unless the AFL has a TARDIS handy, the street level renderings have been squished flat as a pancake. They are simply a lie.
8. Although the Tassie government is spending money paying consultants on this like a drunken sailor - over $100 Million in total so far - NONE of this money has been approved by the Project of State Significance process, which won't complete for at least 18 months. All of that money is pure Sports Rort.
9. The design here is architecturally absurd because (a) it's not a geodesic design and so will need roof buttresses like any roofed stadium and (b) it doesn't have any roof buttresses.
10. Domestic AFL matches in the existing stadium don't even half fill it, and there's no way to get people from the mainland to the stadium since alll the existing planes and ferries between Tassie and the big island are already full.
11. The $240M the feds promised for the stadium turns out to be worth exactly $0 because Rockliff's government forgot to request a GST exemption. So the whole thing has to be funded by the Tassie taxpayers unless private investors come to the party. Which they won't because the business case says the stadium actually loses half a $Billion in its first twenty years of operation and for some reason investors don't like to invest in things that lose money. Oh, and Rockliff promised before the election the public cost will be just $375M, not $750M.
12. The land its supposed to be built on is unstable reclaimed land with water just 3.5M below the surface and also a major sewer line. The estimate cost of just moving that sewer line is, coincidentally, $375M.
So ... wow ... apart from all that it's great ...
Always negative!
Keep moving forward.
Mr optimistic here
Can you please name the so-called stadiums that have cost at least $2B in Australia in the last 10 years? Optus Stadium in Perth was half that cost.
1000s of homeless?
The 5000 die hard footy fans are going to love all that room in this stadium.
Why is the team taking 5 years to set up? No other AFL, NRL or A-League team has taken anywhere near 5 years to set up.
Even AFLW was setup in under a year. If they can setup a whole league in under a year, why is Tassie taking over 5?
If the AFL want a roofed stadium worth $1 Billion dollars, then let them pay for it maybe they can use some of the billions of dollars they rake in by forcing the fans to pay for expensive pay tv to watch what they used to be able to watch on free to air tv for free.
clear roof was the way to go
30,000 capacity would be much better
Parking and public transport will be the major problem with this stadium.
And no one turning up
@@stewartcash555 100k members in Tassie. I don't think they'll have an issue getting 23k.
So, it appears that you too have been sucked in by the AFL. As an entertainment venue just exactly how many top line entertainers do you think will cross Bass Strait to perform in front of a "capacity" crowd of 23,000 people? When they can play in front of 3 times that amount in many venues on the mainland. The initial cost is going to spiral out of control in the current economic climate and it's only going to get worse in the short term. As for employment, a lot of these structures require expertise from seasoned individuals who will come from the mainland to perform the tasks. As for football, the team will be made up of de-listed players from other clubs, and players that are well beyond their best years. Maybe 1 or two Tassie boys to get a run deep into the last quarter to give them a run. Further, anyone who thinks that a Tasmanian team could make finals within a forecast timeframe has rocks in their head. I would suggest around perhaps 50-75 years. About the same time it will take to pay off the stadium. And should I mention that the position of the stadium must have been suggested by a member from Monty Python. All other Capital Cities with major stadiums on the planet have a rail system. I can see a lot of frustrated drivers who will be extremely upset, due to traffic congestion. There are only one or two ways into the City by road, and it has been proven in the past, it only takes one traffic incident at any intersection within the radius of the city and then you have gridlock. I could mention more important issues at hand that need Urgent attention but, I seriously consider that this government are far too inept to understand the concept of common sense. No all they believe is that entertainment is far more important than the basic needs of life. Health, Housing, Education. I shall sit back now and watch the debacle as it unfolds. @@CharlesGregory
The AFL needs to pay for the Stadiums that it profits from not the Taxpayer. The AFL is also classified as a non for profit this is wrong, they need to start paying tax like the rest of us.
“Wow” is right! Fantastic design!!!
Looks fantastic. I’d be concerned about glare with the low angle of the sun in winter, a problem that has affected Docklands to the point where they don’t have the roof open for games anymore.
23k is way too low. 30k minimum
Thanks for sharing.
$750 million + Is 3x what it should cost. There is no justification for public expenditure on this. There are many real services and infrastructure projects that are needed. This is a disgusting display of contempt by politicians and the megarich they serve.
The thing that sticks in my craw over this is that the AFL made this unnecessary stadium the make or break condition of having a Tasmanian team and expecting the Tasmanian taxpayer to stump up the money for it, money which could be used for more worthwhile community projects. The stadium will benefit no other sport, there is a perfectly good Bellerive Oval which could be upgraded to a suitable standard that would also benefit cricket.
The AFL get all of the benefits and are only kicking in a paltry $15 million of their own money. It's unwarranted corporate welfare and borderline extortion on the part of the AFL - "Build us a new stadium or you don't get a team."
This Stadium is stupid for so many reasons. It's clearly too small every single match will be locked out, it's in the wrong place Launceston Crowds have always been higher than Hobart Crowds, why is the taxpayer paying for it? Why is the AFL not paying for it? Why is a roof needed when there are no roofed stadiums in WA, SA, QLD, NSW, Ireland, England and Scotland.
Hobart is almost 3 times the size of Launceston and is the capital, so it makes sense for the team to be predominantly based there.
I agree that the capacity is too small. It should be 30,000 at least (taking travelling fans and finals into account).
The roof is absolutely stupid, it's just because the idiots at AFL HQ are so hellbent on it. I HATE roofs on footy stadiums as footy is an outdoor sport.
It will be hard enough to keep players in Hobart long term, let alone Launceston.
@@themanintheslacks This silly keeping players line, there is a thing called a salary cap. Lots of players come from Tassie who will chose to go home. How many Footballers from WA, SA or even Melbourne dream of living in Geelong. How many NRL players want to live in North QLD or Newcaslte?
@@rhysh2639 There should be 5 games in Launceston and 6 at Hobart. They need both areas to get behind the team. The Stadium is simply another delaying tactic from the AFL. The AFL LOVES the current set up of the Taxpayer paying NTH and Hawthorn to play junk games in Tassie.
@@Linda-tv6fn They definitely need both areas to get behind them but basing them in Launceston is stupid.
I agree with 6 games in Hobart and 5 in Launceston though.
The roof is just plain unnecessary but blame the morons at AFL HQ for that.
An absolutely beautiful and amazingly good design and yes it does give me some Optus stadium vibes and solid crowd numbers for an AFL or cricket game
Yeah 23k is too small go straight to at least 30k
I agree makes more sense
But with a roof they should surely host more matches, including in some non traditional times like October or March against sides like Bangladesh etc. I think test cricket can certainly increase there.
test cricket and ODI's can't be played under a fixed roof
Why does the SECOND driest capital in Australia need a roof on it's stadium? What OTHER team had to pay this much to get a team? Hobart is more remote than Perth?? Therefore a stadium in Canberra should be$2 Billion? Let's put it in a city that you can't get around (because of 40 years of government infrastructure incompetence). The road corner as rendered is the only link between the north and the south of the city. ALL traffic MUST go around THIS corner in order to move from the north to the south, unless you take a back street. It should be in Launceston where there is the space.
Your arguments are biased and ill informed. The protest is NOT because we are NIBBY's, but because it is a poor use of resources. $750 M for a stadium in a city of 250 000 people? In any real context the business plan does not stack up. We can't even fill Blunstone Arena. It's BLUNST'N not Blun Stone!!
What a waste. Assume they get the standard 40 years out of it that's 17.875m per year for 11 games when they already host 8 now. So 3 extra games at 5.95m per game. Its bonkers for 715m (and it will probably be more) you could build 2,000 homes and solve homelessness in Tasmania, you could buy every one of Tasmania's 100,000 students a laptop every 2nd year for the next 14 years, you could build and staff hospitals but no they are building a stadium for 3 extra games
It's fairy land...just google all the other roofed stadiums in the world and check out the immensity of the structures to hold up the lightweight roofs. And Cox reckon they'll be only 800mm to span 160m???
Wow. Would definitely be the worlds most beautiful stadium.
Does the AFL have priority over all the other things that the government could be used for? It seems so. The AFL wants a stadiym let them pay up or shut up!
I don't think York Park is going to have a bigger capacity - from all the info I can find, it should be the same as it is now. It will convert non-seated areas to seated grandstands. Capacity will be a bit under 20,000.
Cricket is the greatest most entertaining sport in the world ❤, Can't wait to see cricket match in this beautiful stadium ❤❤
That's why Tassie lost the cricket in the first place hardly anyone was turning up,
@@stewartcash555 wym
Its too small. Learn from the Docklands in Melbourne. It should be 30,000 for Hobart.
The population of Tasmania is 540,000. So 1/5 of the population can be accommodated at any time. Those 540,000 people must be very wealthy to afford a stadium like this through their state taxes. Where does all this wealth come from?
Whenever I hear 'the Devils' it reminds of Puddy the facepainter in Seinfeld scaring the crap out of the priest. lol
3:22 yea should be good as you mention no rail and no room for 20,000 ppl to park either. And parking in the suburbs are free. Because any major suburb is 15mins away from the CBD or 30mins for suburbs with the most room.
Fire won't be an issue - the timber is treated. There are actually a few wooden skyscrapers going up around the world. I believe the world's tallest timber building is under construction (or close to it) in Perth. I think the timber roof on the stadium looks great, really sophisticated.
"Let's use timber" ... It's not like Tasmania has a damp climate... There'll be little to no chance of moisture affecting the structure long term... It'll last for centuries...
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Today there is 620,000 people in Tasmania compare that with Victoria in 1980 the population was only 2.3 million and Victoria had 13 VFL teams, the MCG had a Capacity of 120,000 Waverly Park 80,000 and there were plans to upgrade Waverly Park to 175,000. If Victoria could support 13 teams with only 2.3 million surely Tasmania with 620,000 can support one or two teams. Also, the 23k capacity is clearly too small.
Looks awesome!!
They want to limit the number of seats so they can charge more? Not the people's game anymore.
23k seat stadium is a perfect size for Hobart. Hobart only has 200k people so the stadium sits more than 10% of the cities population.
Actually Hobart already has a stadium that size. It is indeed perfect. Just needs a ferry terminal and a bit of a facilities upgrade. It's just 3km from this white elephant.
Are you assuming that people won't be going there from the mainland to watch games? What happens when 20,000 fans from some other big clubs want to go there to watch a game? This seating is absolutely pathetic for an AFL game. The infrastructure eg. planes and boats to get fans there from the mainland - and accommodation availability - will also be an issue. I'm all for a Tassie team, but can see a lot of problems with this stadium and the infrastructure involved to host games there.
We waiting for the devils vs the demons grand final, would be very hype
Wow, so they are going ahead with it. So many issues more important in Tasmania and instead, "oh a stadium, that'll solve it!" 🤔 daft govt
Loving the PowerPoint Tazzie logo 🤣🤣 man the AFL get slack with it’s designs
I think they can do the same design but for blunstone arena......
Needs to be 30,000 minimum capacity at least ... but looks great ... get it done :)
Let's see how it looks when it's finished and what the end price will be 😊
hppe this comes as i would be taking a boat/flying there to watch the blues and tassie devils play (more interesting if it has Channel 7 Graphics and commentators)
This stadium is a horrible waste of Taxpayers money. It is not suitable for Soccer, NRL or Rugby Union. Just like Marvel Stadium and the MCG it will only be used for concerts out of AFL season as it takes too long to get the grass back to AFL standard after a concert. It is clearly too small; how can Geelong have a Stadium with a capacity of 40k while Tasmania has a Stadium with a capacity of only 23k? Geelong has a population of 253k while Tasmania has a population of 620k.
I think the logo should have 2 heads
Should be built in Oatlands
Circular design is also very common for AFL/cricket stadiums.
This is an insane use of Taxpayers money. This is money that should be spent on Tasmanian's Housing Crisis. There are already two AFL Stadiums in Tasmania.
No, they are old amateur grounds that make do for a handful of games a year. Professional teams require professional grounds. Want a team in the big time? Pony up.
@@RoBot9491 Tasmania ONLY needs venues for a handful of games a year 5 at one and 6 at the other. There is ONLY going to be 11 games a year in Tasmania. There are no Soccer, NRL or Rugby Union Teams in Tasmania. The AFL generates millions of dollars every year they should be paying for it not the Taxpayer.
@Angela-ob9ei there will be loads of bigger music stars and bands that normally don't come down. And play there. There will be restaurants and cafes all around it. Not to mention all the jobs it will create with the building of it, to work in the cafes etc. And all the money it will produce for the state. Which in turn goes too medical, housing etc. Stress less
@@astonishedhoplite2510 AFL Stadiums cannot host concerts during AFL season as it takes about two weeks to get the turf back to AFL standard. The same is true for Cricket. That is why there is very rarely concerts at the MCG and Marvel Stadium. There will be minimal concerts at the roofed Tasmanian stadium just as there are minimal concerts at all AFL and NRL stadiums in Australia. The Tasmanian Taxpayer is being ripped off.
Make at least 30 to 35 thousand seater stadium to small at 23 thousand greetings from manly australia's
The shadows on the ground look problematic
Win news' coverage of the unveiling answered a lot of the questions people have with it, including capacity increase.
Has a reason for building a whole new stadium when there are already stadiums available to use there?
Hobart vs Launceston. North vs South. Politicians trying to keep everyone happy. Meanwhile TAFE, schools and health have staff freezes on. You can guess why.
And the cost will be?
23,090 stadium is too small for football and cricket is should be around 40,000 to 50,000
Hobart is small city
50k stadium?? Perth only recently got a 65k stadium and that's a city with nearly 2.5 million people and you want Hobart to have 50k .cmon lol
The design has the capacity to be upgraded to 40,000 in the future
@@ProStadiumThen why not go straight to 40K? Kardinia Park is 40K. Keep Bellerive Oval for State cricket and footy, which is 20K, but give Tasmania a world class stadium to host international and BBL cricket.
@@alexrobinson2103That’s no reason not to plan ahead. Geelong’s stadium, Kardinia Park, has a capacity of 40K and Geelong is the same size as Hobart.
They shouldn’t have corporate boxes / glass windowed areas behind the goal posts.
Atleast it's going to be a minimum of two seating stands all the way around the perimeter. Unlike the Adelaide Oval, where they forgot to complete the northern end. 😂
that's what makes AO special
@@chadchadderton Removing the scoreboard and grass for a stand is sacrilege
I though I would share Pete's points from below:
1. 51 Meters high makes it three times higher than the heritage buildings on Hobart's waterfront and obstructs Hobart's sacred Cenotaph.
2. Every stadium built in Australia over the past decade - without roofs - has cost north of $2 Billion. Most more like $3 Billion. And Tassie has a long history of projects running way over budget. Rockliff just got dinged in parliament for lying about the 400% overruns on the Devonport ferry terminal which he knew about but kept quiet prior to the election.
3. Tasmania is Australia's poorest state. It has thousands of homeless sleeping in the parks right next to its parliament. Its hospital system is in melt-down with patients dying while ramped in ambulances on a regular basis. It can't even afford to keep Hobart's suburban buses running and the last budget showed a $6 Billion deficit.
4. There's a privately funded alternative, stadium 2.0, that has none of these problems.
5. There's also a perfectly good stadium where AFL is already played just 3km down the road that comes with its own golden sand beach and it's easily accessible to the public with the upgrades to the ferry network that the government has already funded. It would just need a $10 Million ferry terminal instead of a $2 Billion stadium. That stadium, Blundstone, is actually the longest AFL ground in the country and was recently upgraded at Tassie taxpayer expense.
6. But the Rockliff government won't consider either of these obviously cheaper and better solutions for purely political reasons. They have done no due diligence on any of this. Zero. Even these renderings are just a mockup, not a design, and no costings have been done. Moreover most stadium architects have said the site is unsuitable because there's no room for the concrete apron all other stadiums use to distribute their immense weight.
7. The street level renderings here are easily ten times bigger on the inside than on the outside. Unless the AFL has a TARDIS handy, the street level renderings have been squished flat as a pancake. They are simply a lie.
8. Although the Tassie government is spending money paying consultants on this like a drunken sailor - over $100 Million in total so far - NONE of this money has been approved by the Project of State Significance process, which won't complete for at least 18 months. All of that money is pure Sports Rort.
9. The design here is architecturally absurd because (a) it's not a geodesic design and so will need roof buttresses like any roofed stadium and (b) it doesn't have any roof buttresses.
10. Domestic AFL matches in the existing stadium don't even half fill it, and there's no way to get people from the mainland to the stadium since alll the existing planes and ferries between Tassie and the big island are already full.
11. The $240M the feds promised for the stadium turns out to be worth exactly $0 because Rockliff's government forgot to request a GST exemption. So the whole thing has to be funded by the Tassie taxpayers unless private investors come to the party. Which they won't because the business case says the stadium actually loses half a $Billion in its first twenty years of operation and for some reason investors don't like to invest in things that lose money. Oh, and Rockliff promised before the election the public cost will be just $375M, not $750M.
12. The land its supposed to be built on is unstable reclaimed land with water just 3.5M below the surface and also a major sewer line. The estimate cost of just moving that sewer line is, coincidentally, $375M.
OH, You FORGOT the money already spent on Macquarie Point as well as the $150 M from investors about to be instigated, who departed when the stadium was announced. Maybe they realised the Tasmanian Government was an Olympic gold medalist back flipper.
Don’t care how big or small . My great grandkids will be still paying for it . Why does it need a roof , we get less rainfall than Melbourne, MCG doesn’t have a roof. Nor does gold coast scg ect. Don’t want it on the waterfront , that should be a family place with giant play equipment bbq areas lots of greenery ect .. we have the great north south divide so we get rid of York park , belrive oval , dec , silver dome and just build a giant kickarse stadium in Tunbridge , plenty of parking , never rains . Both ends of the state have to travel .
So a greenhouse then?
Clear roof so u can see the hail
What hail?
No matter how clever, or state of the art, or visually stunning you think the design is, Macquarie Point is the WRONG PLACE to build it.
Total waste of taxpayer money. Even the people in Tasmania don’t want it. They want health care.
Won’t the shadows from the room be hectic?
Let’s make a bluestone stadium in Melbourne. Make its roof out of blue stone
Looks expensive. How much is light rail? Or social housing?
Although a clear roof is a bit better than what Marvel Stadium has, roofs don't belong on football stadiums. Footy is an outdoor sport.
If wanted to watch an indoor sport, I'd watch basketball.
Yea I agree, it will only benefit cricket, but even cricket should be outdoors, so you have to change your hits due to wind.
@@shanerorko8076 It would be TERRIBLE for cricket. What if the roof gets damaged by the ball?
Also imagine how hot it would get inside the stadium during the summer, it doesn't need to be terribly hot outside for a glass/perspex covered stadium to get hot inside. They would need a very effective air-conditioning system.
@rhysh2639 I have to wonder how you're an expert on clear roofed stadiums?
I assume there will be big open areas above the stands for fresh air to blow in.
The roof is domed so a high ball is unlikely to hit the roof, if one does I guess they will inspect for damage, but it will have less speed by the time it gets to the roof.
@@shanerorko8076 I don't claim to be an expert but it's just common sense; clear material (such as glass or perspex) magnifies heat from the sun. Even if you have some air blowing in, it's still going to be much hotter inside than outside. Although Hobart is predominantly a cool climate, 40+ temps (although rare) are not unheard of in summer. Even a sunny 25 degree day would feel MUCH hotter inside.
As for the ball hitting the roof, the ball has hit the roof many times at Marvel Stadium (which is more than twice the size of the upcoming Macquarie Point Stadium). Roofed stadiums are not good for cricket.
Look at all those squares on that roof no way! Won’t there be huge amounts of shaded squares on the surface? And it’s to small and us Tasmanians don’t want it… this will cost 1 billion plus to finish … yes it will create jobs and tourists but it will never make money… but let’s wait and see…
From the overhead view, Looks like a drain plug and a lot off money will go down it, straight to the people who construct it, they will be the big winners
Looks nice. Wish NSW government would give Newcastle/Wollongong nice things but everything goes to Shitney
With the small amount if seating, tassie will never host a final.
But why are they building it with Bullston Arena still there. The Capacity is still not huge improvement. I would love to see test cricket here though.
Collingwood play in Tasmania! Pfft! It'll never happen.
How often has Collingwood had to travel to Tasmania to play the Roos or Hawks since those teams have played games in that state?
They'll play the Devils once per year and it will be at Marvel as one of the games that the AFL says Collingwood has to play a Home game at that venue like they do now.
Mate, the reason why Hawthorn or North never play Collingwood in Tassie is because they make too much in revenue to not play them in Melbourne. They are going to have to play Tassie in an away match at some point, and the AFL isn't going to force the devil's to play a home game interstate any time soon. I love a Collingwood bias winge as much as the next guy, but even that is a bit extreme.
You're clearly dumb. By that argument, collingwood would never play the suns in the Gold Coast but they do regularly
Where's the parking? Where's the integration to what little public transport Hobart has?
Macquarie and Davie Streets as well as the Brooker will be turned into carparks, It's not that hard to provide parking for 5000 - 10 000 cars. I don't understand your problem?
@@nickabbott6278 of course! Why didn't I think of that?
And then they'll cement over the Domain.
Because football is way more important than better public transport in an already congested city, or anything to alleviate the housing crisis.
We're back to bread and circuses. Literally.
Dunedin 2.0
Ridiculous to spend that much money on such a small stadium. Should be minimum 35k straight up
Well at least Blundstone Arena will still be used…at least for cricket. #GETONTHECANETRAIN
Cricket Tasmania is apparently going to sell it and move to mac point.
No chance they will play shield games at MP. It will cost too much money just to open the gates for 200 spectators
Yawn
Based on what I've seen from the renderings, Macquarie Point Stadium will be one of the most visually stunning stadiums, Australia's ever seen.
Cricket shots are gonna ruin that roof. Look at some of the biggest 6s. Way too small roof
higher than Marvel which has been hit maybe 2 times
Won’t the glass roof cause a greenhouse effect inside the stadium?
You know its not sealed right? Its not a glass jar.
@@RoBot9491 yeah but even then I imagine being under the sun would be a lot more hotter through that glass
It's not glass
@@FranticMonster11 Of corse it's not glass. It's not built (or fully designed).
@@nickabbott6278 fine it isn't going to be glass......
The capacity is too small, and a roof is completely unnecessary!
Your kidding aren’t you? Have you ever been to Hobart in winter?
@@mitchdunlop14They play AFL matches in Ballarat and Canberra, both places are colder than Hobart in winter
@@mitchdunlop14 Um, Australia's second driest capital, Downtown Melbourne is way colder than downtown Hobart in winter, wind chill factor. Melbourne was settled from Launceston, let the AFL inflict it on Launceston who get bigger AFL crowds.
@@nickabbott6278 Launceston has half the population than Hobart, it’s like having the mcg in Geelong won’t work gotta be in the capital
@@mitchdunlop14 Yeh, Nuh, Half the population is in the north and north west (where football is king), Why build a stadium in an isolated region in the most de-centralised state in the nation. Hobart has a harbour, a mountain and MONA. The Gorge was shaped with gunpowder, Launceston deserves a proper draw card, not for the city but for all those in it's area. (Don't tell anyone I said something positive about the place).
Change the channel name to convey what the channel is actually about. Pivot peice is just meh. Tells me nothing
Don’t waste this money
Timber ffs . The maintenance will send them broke
X2 FFS!!
If they use local timber wouldn't they save millions cause trees are everywhere in Tassie?
What's the point of having a translucent roof that can't open? Is it for temperature regulation?
allowing for natural light. Marvel is very cold when you're inside, and the sunlight will help warm up the area better than it. When Marvel's roof is open, the sunlight is very harsh for the cameras and doesn't look particularly well in constrast with the dark shaded areas
The roof is so you don't get rain delays in cricket, but an opening roof costs like an extra 500m.
Imagine how hot it would get inside during summer. Despite being a predominantly cool climate, Hobart can get temps of over 30 degrees, even 40+ temps are not unheard of.
@@rhysh2639 I suppose so. That being said, imagine those same hot days in other cities.
@@GoodolCaz They seriously have not thought this through. A glass roof might be nice during the cooler months, but it's going to be sweltering in summer.
On a 25 degree day, it could be well over 40 degrees inside, possibly even 50. That glass roof will intensify Hobart's harsh summer sunlight and people will be experiencing heat stroke.
I'm generally against roofs on football/cricket stadiums, but if the morons at the AFL are so hellbent on the stadium having a roof, it needs to be retractable.
Wow how boring a roofed stadium is, no wind, means boring sports imo.
If there's a way for the wind to blow through then yea should be good.
The wood will be laminate beams, I've seen this used before.
It will burn down with in 10years
Who is going to build it.