AGNOSTIC FRONT PUT FANS' METALLICA BEEF TO REST ...FOR ALL
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- Опубликовано: 22 окт 2024
- Back in the late 1980s Agnostic Front fans were a bit steamed at Metallica for copying the New York Hardcore band's 1987 album title Liberty And Justice For... with their album ...And Justice For All, released in 1988, but vocalist Roger Miret talked his meeting Kirk Hammett in '87 and how he feels about the fans controversy.
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roger's changed his tune on metallica. here he says he always liked their lyrics. you can google an interview, though, that he did on tour with the disasters, al from dropkick murphys was with him for the interview, like in '03, he says he never liked metallica or slayer, doesn't care what they have to say, b/c he isn't interested in lyrics about death. i like roger and af better than those other bands (who i also like) but just thought the change in tune was interesting.
Cheetah Thunders. AF and Roger were way ahead. ❤️
I think as you get older your attitude becomes more a case of "live and let live"
cop dude Roger Miret must have been almost 40 when he gave the interview OP mentioned so I doubt age or maturity had anything to do with it. My opinion is that and justice for all is a phrase that Americans have always been familiar with. Metallica may have got the idea for the name from AF or they may have independently thought of it. Besides, the 2 albums are very different in all aspects. Musically they arent the same and lyrically are very different.
Roger is such a class act i have a lot of respect for him
why does anybody even bother talking about this crap
I just wondered about this question. I like the music. So i needed to know and this video helped
Because it’s music history. I thought thats fucking sick. Metallica is a Bay Area band so it’s amazing Kirk in the 80’s met Roger Miret and Vinnie Stigma
I was way more into Agnostic Front then Metallica.Better sound .Better Pit.Better venues.Better scene.And affordable.We didn't buy expensive tickets like you needed to see Metallica.We showed up and paid $15.Thank you Agnostic Front for giving us hardcore kids the best fucking music and shows ever.
As an isolated incident it is pretty much a non-issue, and Roger says so himself, but the members of Metallica borrowed heavily from the Hardcore Punk underground. They would stalk the shows of Punk bands and invite themselves backstage to talk to the band members. Other than wearing Misfits shirts and covering some Punk songs I never read anything where they credit the Hardcore Punk underground for half their brand.
Long hairs are such unoriginal, plagiarist, posers. This is why I never liked much heavy metal. I always liked punk and hardcore, it's genuine, real, from the heart, you can feel the raw emotion in the music.
@Joe Sudz Metallica and the rest of the Heavy Metal bands (like Slayer, Megadeth, Anthrax, etc.) stole from the Hardcore Punk underground without giving credit. They got away with it because Hardcore was underground and the Metal bands were signing to corporate major labels and appearing on MTV.
@@ChargerBullet Yeah, m8, Slayer NEVER made a cover of 'Guilty Of Being White', for example... 🤦♂🤦♀
@@maxmordon7295 Yeah, that is the point I am making. Those metal bands took elements from Hardcore Punk bands and tried to claim that they invented a new genre.
@@ChargerBullet No, not at all: you said "Metallica and the rest of the Heavy Metal bands (like Slayer, Megadeth, Anthrax, etc.) stole from the Hardcore Punk underground without giving credit", which is absolute bυllshιτ; and they actually played a more agressive kind of music, fairly distinctive from Hardcore... You should learn some Musical History before trying to talk so much.
AF is EVERYTHING! 4 Life! Bring it!
I was at that gig. 2/26/88
A.G. Rigor Mortis,Insted,Adolescents & bad religion. They were so loud and the crowd was super violent as always. #fendersbrawlroom
LA?
@@86eastbay LBC
how is this even an issue? two bands both got inspiration for an album title from the pledge of allegiance. that doesn't mean metallica copied agnostic front
Good point. I think it just "seems" suspicious because of the timing. But back then it was like the wild west regarding copyright infringement. Bands could sample each others records at their leisure without penalties.
...And Justice For All was probably the peak of the Hetfield/Ulrich dominion in Metallica´s creative process; i strongly doubt that they would ultimately let Hammett chose the title of the record. the similarity ist just a coincidence I guess
Yet the same fans are cool with Protest And Survive by The Varukers
It would've been awesome to see AF and Metallica on the same bill in the 80s.. The "...justice tour".
The …justice… tour.
not the first time metallica stole or copied something... they named is something they stole... also a few of their hits. agnostic front will be truth till the end!
On a Mtv pop culture game show a few years after thier releases.....a contestant....made the mistake of answering AGNOSTIC FRONT instead of METALLICA.....I couldn't care less....im more of an Agnostic Front fan ,but of course i dig Metallica's Kill 'em All,Ride the Lightning....Master of Puppets.....speaking of Master of Puppets ....the instrumental- Money Will Roll Right In - is actually a cover of FANG w/o lyrics......and finally.....2003 we drove from Laredo TX to Austin.....FANG was playing Emos.....we had a fat 8.....our friends the Bulemics invited us upstairs.....hung with Sammytown ....partied and drank....saw the show went back for upstairs after party.....around 3AM ....Roger Miret of Agnostic Front shows up.....the Disasters had a gig also.....hell of a party ....we spilt near 5am...to San Antonio.....dusted our snoots ....till evening and got back to Laredo to dust our snoots some more.....
The funny thing is Metallica is known for ripping off from hardcore bands. I love Metallica but gotta point that out 😂
The Four Horseman was a rip off from Agression’s - Salty leather. Enter sandman was a rip off from Excels - tapping into the emotional void & many more !
Oh shit! Never realized that. Thanx4 pointing that out.
@@0mega.mechan1c. yeah ! Lots of metal bands are notorious for that.
Excel lost that law suit, and Dave Mustaine wrote the music for Four Horseman. I have that Excel album and it's not that similar that it couldn't just be coincidence.
German here.
Isn' "...liberty and justice for all" a sentence of the American constitution?
Its part of the “Pledge of Allegiance”, which is cited by school kids every morning. AF had the crowd recite it on their 1989 “Live at CBGB”album. Here are the words:
I pledge allegiance
To the flag
Of the United States of America
And to the Republic
For which it stands
One nation
Under God
Indivisible
With Liberty
And justice
For all.
@@LetsGoMetsGo33 ah, yes.
My point is, that this sentence is a reference to this pledge and not necessary plagiated by Metallica.
I guess it is a coincidence.
@@menschmaschine-2483 They may have been influenced by the AF album. They both reference the same section of the pledge, both have an ellipses (...), and Metallica were followers of hardcore. But what is wrong with that? a shout out from Metallica only helps a band's profile. I know it did wonders for the Misfits!
Roger explain how exodus ripped off eliminator ?
Metallica do. They stole Crowbar artwork for an album cover...
Word I didnt even know this was a thing lol. Isnt there a song called And Justice for All on the album? isnt that why they named the album that? Plus im pretty sure the pledge of allegiance has copyright on that already :P
Well, at that point Hammett had ripped off Dave Mustaine note for note on every album. If Cliff was alive they wouldn't have named it And Justice for all...
As a 12y Ny’r transplanted, I’d expect nothing less from the people of my city. You are not the only person in the world creating. ...Maybe the concept behind the idea just was not as original as you personally think. 🤷♂️
Ny’rs definitely steal from the talent that comes through the city and regularly try to showcase it as there own.
AF..members .. and most on NYHC scene…are very positive thinking individuals…and besides you really think they give a fuk about ..it..!
there going to do things there way ..regardless
One luv Roger/stigma and crew🤘🏽
take it as a compliment. should of copyrighted the title if it meant so much
Tommy Bisignani You can't copyright titles.
Go read rogers book
Unity
man is this isn't over yet, different genre no big deal at all
Oi newyorkino
AF is the Blood, the Honor, the Truth
Been a Metallica fan for 30+ years...and here I thought they got the title from the pledge of allegiance... Never even heard of this bullshit beef. Time to get real, Metallica have always been open about their inspirations and how they sometimes "borrowed" riffs or ideas
Because Agnostic front like other bands havn 't made as much cash as Metallica .
Another frontDruggy moron suckers
Shut up RTL, let it go bro! You stole from Roger too, just like Metallica.