That ranks up with the book where Batman becomes a vampire. In a panel he grabs Alfred and says, "I have needs now, Alfred...Dirty, horrible needs..." Or Robin taking off his shirt while Batman puts his hand on his shoulder... Batman: "Well...if you ever want to talk about it...with someone who's had experience in that area..." Robin: "Sure...thanks, Bruce. Meet me in the Batcave in three minutes."
One of the rare times I flatly disagree with this channel. Injustice is a fun read that turns Superman's ideals on its head by exploring what happens when his last ounce of hope is gone. The fact that he goes full fascist and murderer is the entire point. To say he's "acting out of character" is exactly what the writers were going for. That doesn't automatically make it a bad story by any means.
I think it odd personally that there are many whom are “tired” of the superman gone bad story arc. More so when talking about injustice considering they did cover it very well. Injustice not only gave superman a different image to many whom had grown tired of the invincible man except to different colored rocks. But injustice 2 gave us the best supergirl story imo to date.
WC seems to like to do this every few lists. They just put something in that doesn't really make sense and seems to be there solely to generate comments for the algorithm and as almost every comment on this video is about Injustice I'd say they succeeded.
1) Injustice is a "what if " story where anything can happen. 2) The stories of " the killing joke" and " Tower of Babel " show us that it is ( at least in the mind of Bruce and the Joker ) , a possibility that could happen. 3) Despite how good you are, if everything in your life is taken away from you the same day, any reaction, while not excusable, might be understandable - including a dark path.
The end of "The Killing Joke" actually proves the Joker was wrong though. The Joker's goal was to make Jim Gordon snap after doing everything he can think of to give him the worst day ever, and Gordon doesn't break in the end. Despite the all torture, both emotional and physical, that was inflicted on him in one day, Gordon specifically tells Batman "I want him brought in... and I want him brought in by the book!"
@@drizzmatec True but what Joker did to Supes was even worse than what he did to Gordon. Paralyzing Barbara taking screwed up photos of her, and dehumanizing Gordon was terrible but tricking Superman into killing his wife and unborn child which triggered a nuclear bomb that destroyed Metropolis and everyone in it is on a higher level of fucked up. Add to the fact the immense guilt that Supes felt that he, even unknowingly, caused it broke him. Batman: Crime took my family too, Clark Superman: But you weren't the gun.
I completely disagree about Injustice. I thought that was an amazing comic storyline. Superman finally snaps after being tricked into killing your one true love AND their unborn child?? Yeah I'd snap and want to destroy everything as well.
The comics show that it wasn't that simple it started out with superman wanting to make sure what happened yo him didn't happen again but by the end of the 3rd year he was worse than joker
@@kr6productions it was incredibly weird and balls to the wall increasingly crazy for the first 3 years at which point it winds down to the world we know in the game
Superman lost his family, and not only that but his city was destroyed along with so many other families a lot of whom he knew personally And not only that but this happened because he was weaponized against his will The situation in Injustice has a gravity to it that you’re not gonna see in any other Superman story (least not the main timeline ones)
At 9:05 it is stated that Darkseid is Mister Miracle's biological father. This is not true. Darkseid is the adopted father of Mister Miracle. The leaders of the planets Apokolips and New Genesis (Darkseid and Highfather) traded sons in a peace treaty. The son of Highfather, Scott Free, was sent to Apokolips (he escaped by becoming Mister Miracle the worlds greatest escape artist). The son of Darkseid, Orion, was sent to New Genesis and became a hero under the tutelage of Highfather.
8:15 Lois turning black reminds me of a Christian story of a lil girl that wanted blue eyes like her mother, so she prayed and her prayer was never answered because "she was meant to have brown eyes," so she could help little African kids. I never knew why that story bothered me until now. they basically said it was okay for her to blackface because she has brown eyes like the African kids/people.
I looked up the story, she was a Christian missionary named Amy Carmichael. She actually went to India and not Africa. I agree that the "brown eyes she prayed to remove as a child became a blessing because she looked more like the browned eyed people of India" is a bit shoehorned into the story. However she still did a lot of good. She established a school and an orphanage. The brown eyes bit comes into play because she disguised herself as a local of India so she could sneak into temples where abandoned little girls were being forced into prostitution. She rescued many girls from a life of prostitution and got them to a safe-house. All while having a debilitating condition that would leave her bed ridden for weeks at a time. She eventually became permanently bedridden and became an author.
Casually Comics does great brake downs of Marrying Lois adventures. Yeah that black Lois joint was really bad. That Comet the horse story was just creepy and dumb. I'm sad to hear about Tyro of the Legion of Superheroes. Its terrible that this crap is in our history as comics fans.
for number 3 Lois turns Black the message was try to think in the other guys shoes . "Try" ...may not have aged well but still positive message of trying to understand the perspective of the other . A message that needs to be put across even today ...in a world overburdened by labels and zero understanding .
I also find it rather relatable to the current world that Lois was ignored for being white but the moment she is changed to black, even though she is the same person otherwise, she is suddenly accepted.
I won't lie this guy completely lost me with the last point about Injustice you're telling me where we're looking into a perverted Universe of what it would take to break Superman you are going to criticize that universe that perspective for not keeping the same perspective as the regular Superman and having hope cuz even if you wanted to argue that you can argue the opposite because you can just say he took it too far
Injustice Superman is not the same person as DC's mainstream reality (New Earth) Superman, so Injustice Superman's reactions to the inciting events are true to his own character, but may not be true to New Earth Superman's...
@@wintertrooper7918 again, LITERALLY THE ENTIRE POINT OF INJUSTICE. A look at what would happen if Superman would be pushed to the point of no return and the aftermath. Not the same as everything else on this list.
@@chicomac8450 Not to mention the video left out the fact that Lois was pregnant, so he lost his unborn child, and that Metropolis was then destroyed by a nuclear bomb. The story made the point that causing the accidental death of your wife, unborn child, and entire freaking city would be enough to push anyone over the edge, including Superman. It's done better in the comic than in the game, since after all this happens you can see him gradually making more and more morally compromising choices until he ends up as a full on despot. The rest of this list is pretty spot on, that entry just seems like the writer of this video had an axe to grind.
@@mikemcreynolds4842 except that he became even worse than any of the villains he fought worse than the joker was ever he literally was only a few years (if that) from the rest of the universe deciding to annihilate the earth to protect the rest of the galaxy
@@CosmicGoku529 Miller's unique style worked really well in the original Dark Knight Returns series. But when Dark Knight Returns 2 came out, Miller went even further in the stylization, and I agree, it was terrible. Rivals Keith Giffen at his worst.
Injustice shouldn't be on the list because it's a what if Superman was bad story. Also it's a Spin-off series so it has nothing to do with the main DC universe.
I gotta disagree with the Injustice point, to begin with what was done to Superman was massively downplayed he didn't just get tricked to kill Lois, Joker tricked Superman to ruin his own life and when asked "Why?!?" he gets manically laughed at while Joker holds that over his head and basically promised to hurt him again,in this moment Superman was weighing everything the clown prince has done and decided to end his life,from here Diana, Sinestro,and Black Adam convinced him that he could prevent all that death and destruction if he was in charge, the message behind Injustice isn't that Superman doesn't stand for hope as prime Superman does set things right it's proving "The killing joke" wasn't just chance
Ngl, you might be a bit off on number 1, how can you keep hope when someone forced you to kill your wife and unborn child?? That’s the point of injustice, even the name points to the idea. An injustice was done to Superman, and now he puts to question everything he once believed in because of the actions of a villain. One that even his own best friend had moments that he was going to kill this same villain, Batman didn’t because he wanted to prove he’s better but Superman? Why bother when you lost the one person you love the most and a child you were VERY excited for. It’s heart breaking and even more so, it’s moral breaking. I mean, can you be any type of mentally good after seeing you wife dead in space by your own hands?
@@jdsimmons97 and that’s the problem with some people, they forget that, (even tho he tries to represent the best of us), he’s still a man. A “super”man, yes, but let’s not forget the man part, he is not Jesus lol He can fall from the pedestal and be driven to do the worst. All it takes is the worst to happen, and in injustice, joker did the worst. Honestly, ignore those fools, clearly they miss the point of Superman if they get “he’s like Jesus” out of him and his stories.
because supermans hope wasnt in his family. It was for all of humanity. They still need saving and still need to be taught a better way. But okay people now a days put all of their meaning and reason for existence into their partner
I also completely disagree with that about injustice. That was literally the first comic in which superman was at all compelling for me. And it went to prove the idea that everyman is just one bad day away from going nuts like the joker.
It’s one thing to add that whole Superman acting out of character in injustice when that’s the whole point to this list, but to put it in first place when we had Lois Lane turning black for 24 hr lower on this list WOW.
Unless I missed a retcon, Darkseid was not Mister Miracle's biological father. Highfather was Scott Free's real father and according to the truce between Apokolips and New Genesis, Highfather and Darkseid were to raise each other's son (Orion was Darkseid's).
Shouldn't the Pink Kriptonite turning Superman gay be on this list, even if it was a miniplot? The black Lois Lane at least was trying to do something positive, and it wasn't published this millennia! (Can believe that a stone infecting Superman with homosexuality was something written in 2003 istg)
You are wrong about the Injustice part, and saying He doesn't kill such and such is like saying Batman doesn't kill, nor use guns, which he does in both comics and movies.
batman killed in his early comics. but not after they reformed him. He is actually right about superman. Thats why the story takes place in a WHAT IF universe. And the movies are so wrong in their portrayal of both superman and batman and its fucking annoying
I disagree with this list, it's mostly silver age stuff and they were the style at the time till competition came. But injustice in the comics is mostly ww convincing Clark he needs to take over instead of grieving. He's a broken man who's being manipulated to following his worst impulses, which is pretty much why batman keeps that piece of kryptonite in the batcave. For superman, there is no hope anymore. He sees freedom as the opportunity for the worst to happen. Pretty much the joker did to supes what heath ledger joker did to Harvey, he brought them down to his level.
Yeah but It was uncharacteristic for Superman to snap (same thing happened to him in Kingdom Come and was the main drive for Superman to do good), Wonder Woman was war hungry in Injustice which is contrast to her character and what she stands for Those are the two characters that drove the plot and neither is acting as themselves
@@CanineLupus0114 which is why they can get away with it in elseworld stories. A character can't be perfect in every instance every when everytime. It's how we got the batman who laughs, parallax Hal Jordan, all the heroes in Flashpoint.
@@sandmaker47 who says a character cant be perfect? just cause ur not perfect? Superman and wonderwoman were waaaay out of character. its a WHAT IF story sure. but that doesnt make it good
Ok, between DC writers insistence on superman/super girl being a thing for some ungodly reason and that one Marvel What If panel where Hulk and She-Hulk are married (and of course THAT whole thing in Old Man Logan), wtf is up with certain comic book writers and shipping a hero with their female cousins?!? In the immortal words of a wise old superstar basketball player; Stop it. Get some help.
@@wintertrooper7918 I mean, yeah, the ultimate quicksilver/scarlet witch thing is technically way worse. But I think all three are disgusting in their own special way…
@@Brianna-eo8nu comics have this very weird very concerning idea that "edgey and controversial" selling points mean just really fucked up ideas like when Carol Danvers was mind controlled in to having a relationship with this limbo demon dude and having her give birth to himself and all the Vengers (who are not mind controlled) were all cool with her going off with this limbo demon dude despite her being obviously mind controlled
@@martychisnall Umm no It’s very frowned upon over here too In fact certain areas of the country are even made fun of because they’re associated with that concept
(3:48) In classic Greek mythology, it is not unusual for Centaurs to find human woman attractive. DC universe is filled with examples of different species falling in love with each other. I do not see an issue here.
You forgot one of the most f*(ked up stories ever created in the DC. Superman and Lois are married and Lois is about 2 trimesters into her pregnancy. All of the sudden she stammers back holding her stomach in excruciating pain. Almost as if she had gotten kicked real hard in the stomach; which she realizes in horror is EXACTLY what just happened. Yep, you guessed it!! Her Human anatomy cannot handle the strength her child has. Long story short. She yells out to Superman for help. By the time Superman arrives, Lois dies in his arms after being "kicked" to death by their unborn child. Oh, and the child dies too. After Lois' funeral, Maxima shows up. She tries to console Superman by saying people like them are the only ones that can carry your child to Term without dying. Superman thinks about this for a second and as we turn the page, we see Superman and Maxima making out heavily in Lois' grave!! Its also the same picture as the Cover.
Come on man Injustice was a great story line that made you think about what could happen if super man was ever pushed over the edge. To compare it to some of these is just wrong.
I get the feeling that everyone who criticize Injustice's story.. haven't actually read it. And please stop saying that Superman can't go bad. Like that's innate in his character. That's lazy AF
I read some of those early Superman stories and he was a LOT more brutal back then! Like, he had to have killed at least one of those wife beaters that he punched through a wall .
I thought injustice is one of the best dystopian dc realities in my opinion. It was cruel bloody and sad but still good and not deserving to be on the list. If the blackest knight isn't innapropriate and injustice is something is very wrong
I love the injustice storyline it shows that even Superman has a human side and when he sees that he killed Lois and hears his unborn child's heart stop we see that that line he never crosses disappears it shows everyone has their breaking point and the moment he kills the joker any true fan of Superman understands that hatred he feels for the person that caused him to commit the most heinous crime but we also get to see that batman would do anything he can to stop him but also understands why he did it but just wants to help bring the person part of the league he considers his equal and closest friend out side of the bat family
Not really. Like wow, a kind reporter character can understand them better when she's not shunned for being white. If any part has a negative racial angle, it's the part where they won't even talk to her because "she's whitey"
At least Comet, the dude who turned from horse to human and back again, is the only man Supergirl will ever meet that can literally say he's hung like a horse.
The thing with Barda is that sleeze guy did make her have sex on camera. You can see Scott reacting to it. Got stopped before the Superman sex sadly. Also Superman and Supergirl should get married. They are a perfect couple. (Joking obviously)
@@amvcentral1478 Buffy the Vampire Slayer Season Eight #31-35, February - May 2010 Dark Horse Comics. You might say Buffy really fucked up everything in that story - literally.
You guys go on about racial insensitivity while also being the same people who 1) said diversity was missing for not having a black character, not characters of color because apparently to many black and white is diverse enough 2) when addressing the cold shoulder Lois got from that black community, ya guys failed to call it for what it was, racism.. But by gawd if Cyborg needed info and got the same hositilty, you'd guys would sure pounce and say how vile and racist it is
Superman is always shown as inherently weaker than batman. Do we look at the movies to see that bats basically kills in PG13 mode. As long as you don’t see it happen then the criminal maaaaaay be alive. Supes isn’t weak for showing compassion. It would be very easy for him to “hurt” villains like bats. His upbringing by normal decent parents doesn’t even allow him to think of being as brutal. Bruce is essentially nuts. He never got over the loss of his parents. If he actually acknowledges a “fatal injury” even once then the floodgates will open. I don’t think supes would carry on killing.
Injustice is a story of Clark *losing* hope because of Lois and his kid's death and therefore, loses hope in humanity for it to solve its own problems and eventually that leads to being a despot and him losing his own humanity etc
No Filter. Warm up. I'm your Romeo you're my Juliet I feel your breath on my chest as we bleed to death I'm your Superman and your my Louis Lane I feel like steel but still feel real I'm your Spider-Man and your my Mary Jane I'll swing to your bed and leave web in your head Don't fret,... Beg for more.
I disagree with most people in the comments as I dislike the Injustice story. It does alter the entire character of Superman. It's fun to think of Superman as dictator, but it is wildly out of character.
I think injustice is good fun and not entirely impossible the writers set out to flip Superman's character on it's head without warning and it works, they also do a good job of portraying the consequence's this would have. However I see where this video is coming from, as although I am primarily a Batman fan, Superman is often the character I turn to for wholesome moments when I'm taking a break from characters such as Homlander and Omni-man for example in the JL unlimited Christmas special. So while I appreciate Injustice I always enjoy the idea of Superman being a true hero done right.
So you’re gonna leave out the one where Superman tries to emotionally abuse Jimmy Olsen until he doesn’t love him? Or the one where Pink kryptonite turns Superman gay?
First they murder him in the first 15 minutes of a movie next Superman makes him not even like Superman anymore people need to start giving Jimmy Olsen some f*cking respect
What I really wish is there was an actual Injustice comic of the video game itself, there's only the things leading up to the game, why not the game itself? The story's already written.
I hate to say it, but they got number one wrong, the entire point of Injustice was how quickly and easily the ideology that Superman carries with him can turn to darkness when carried to the extreme.
Funny thing is I'd rather read any of these stories over the trash DC is crapping out these days🤣🤣🤣😅and Injustice doesn't treat Superman with respect 🤔🤔🤔🤔they didn't change the main Superman he's from a different universe and the story was damn good basically a What it.
I have questions... At what point did Superman lose the ability to fly through space (avoiding red suns) and to visit other planets, and to fly into the sun to clean his super suit? When or how did Superman stop just being super 24/7 and become a super solar battery that has to be recharged? I vaguely recall sometime in the 70's or 80's, a villain created a golem that stole a super power from Superman each time he used one until Superman had no powers. How did Superman regain his powers, and what reason was given for him being less super than before? My thanks to anyone who can answer any of these questions for me.
I'm sorry, but I think you're just wrong about Superman and Injustice. The Joker didn't just have Superman mistake Lois Lane for Doomsday, and inadvertently kill her, but she was PREGNANT at the time. Furthermore, the Joker then detonated a nuclear bomb in Metropolis killing everyone Superman knew and tens of millions of other people as well. I'm here for team Superman, but I'm pretty sure that would cause even the big blue boy scout to break.
Yes Superman is a good guy at heart and will always be the symbol of hope, but the injustice story is what if Superman had that one bad day or lost everything that mattered to him
@6:38 OMG, the artwork from the Frank Miller story was horrible. Frank Miller may be an award winning author, but he obviously failed at art class. That artwork looks like it was done by a child with a box of crayons? Fortunately, one must HAVE lunch to be able to lose it.
Centaur does a favor for Circe. Asks to be full man as reward. Random jagg off curses him into full horse instead. Circe also a very powerful magic user, "eh oh well. Here's some powers. Hope you feel better." why the go didn't she just turn him into a man?
I call bs on #1 Injustice is what is the most popular out of DC, when Superman's will breaks. Despite being an alien, he is displaying of what human beings can do unhinged.
"Punish me daddy, I deserve it."
Thats enough comic book history for today.
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Same thing i thought
I hate to be "that" person but in the context of this comment... I am the 69th like...
That ranks up with the book where Batman becomes a vampire. In a panel he grabs Alfred and says, "I have needs now, Alfred...Dirty, horrible needs..."
Or Robin taking off his shirt while Batman puts his hand on his shoulder...
Batman: "Well...if you ever want to talk about it...with someone who's had experience in that area..."
Robin: "Sure...thanks, Bruce. Meet me in the Batcave in three minutes."
@@magusxxx lol so true
“ _Yes_ Daddy! Punish me harder!”-Superman, probably
"Son?"
-Sir Pentious (Hazbin Hotel)
Darkseid is NOT Mister Miracle's biological father, he was swapped at birth with Orion for a peace treaty and raised as Darkseid's son.
Mister Miracle is Highfather's son.
The sad thing is he didn't even need to specify he could have just said "his father" but he took the time to specify and got it wrong.
One of the rare times I flatly disagree with this channel. Injustice is a fun read that turns Superman's ideals on its head by exploring what happens when his last ounce of hope is gone. The fact that he goes full fascist and murderer is the entire point. To say he's "acting out of character" is exactly what the writers were going for. That doesn't automatically make it a bad story by any means.
How dare you question WokeCuckture.
I think it odd personally that there are many whom are “tired” of the superman gone bad story arc. More so when talking about injustice considering they did cover it very well.
Injustice not only gave superman a different image to many whom had grown tired of the invincible man except to different colored rocks. But injustice 2 gave us the best supergirl story imo to date.
Yep I agree injustice is one of the greatest alternate stories ever he just need to throw something in there to fill the list 😒
WC seems to like to do this every few lists. They just put something in that doesn't really make sense and seems to be there solely to generate comments for the algorithm and as almost every comment on this video is about Injustice I'd say they succeeded.
It undo the Mythology of Superman that was set up years prior, the Injustice comics is basically Kingdom Come but Superman isn't being "Superman"
“Punish me daddy, I deserve it” is a line I did not ever think that Superman would say
1) Injustice is a "what if " story where anything can happen.
2) The stories of " the killing joke" and " Tower of Babel " show us that it is ( at least in the mind of Bruce and the Joker ) , a possibility that could happen.
3) Despite how good you are, if everything in your life is taken away from you the same day, any reaction, while not excusable, might be understandable - including a dark path.
I completely agree. Currently arguing with someone who says Superman wouldn't go down such a path.
@@jdsimmons97 noticed that
The end of "The Killing Joke" actually proves the Joker was wrong though. The Joker's goal was to make Jim Gordon snap after doing everything he can think of to give him the worst day ever, and Gordon doesn't break in the end. Despite the all torture, both emotional and physical, that was inflicted on him in one day, Gordon specifically tells Batman "I want him brought in... and I want him brought in by the book!"
@@drizzmatec True but what Joker did to Supes was even worse than what he did to Gordon. Paralyzing Barbara taking screwed up photos of her, and dehumanizing Gordon was terrible but tricking Superman into killing his wife and unborn child which triggered a nuclear bomb that destroyed Metropolis and everyone in it is on a higher level of fucked up. Add to the fact the immense guilt that Supes felt that he, even unknowingly, caused it broke him.
Batman: Crime took my family too, Clark
Superman: But you weren't the gun.
i agree but injustice is canon
I completely disagree about Injustice. I thought that was an amazing comic storyline. Superman finally snaps after being tricked into killing your one true love AND their unborn child?? Yeah I'd snap and want to destroy everything as well.
The comics show that it wasn't that simple it started out with superman wanting to make sure what happened yo him didn't happen again but by the end of the 3rd year he was worse than joker
See he was doing so well up until that 🤦🏾♂️
I didn't hear or see anyone bashing the comic book that was based off the game
@@blackrex828 the comic book was great, for the most part at least
It can still be inappropriate for children.
@@kr6productions it was incredibly weird and balls to the wall increasingly crazy for the first 3 years at which point it winds down to the world we know in the game
I hope in this list appears the pink kryptonite and black lois.
I had forgotten about pink kryptonite... damn that was dodgy....even for its' "time"
Pink kryptonite turns superman gay
What about that one kryptonite thing that made Superman high?
i think it's a funny concept, albeit superman being gay wouldn't actually effect any important story aspects
Superman: "We don't talk about the pink one."
“Punish me daddy, I deserve it” - Superfreak 💀
Down bad, this is.👽
@@everettabor1372 no it's down horrendous horrible terrible this is just no
Superman lost his family, and not only that but his city was destroyed along with so many other families a lot of whom he knew personally
And not only that but this happened because he was weaponized against his will
The situation in Injustice has a gravity to it that you’re not gonna see in any other Superman story (least not the main timeline ones)
Injustice is one of the most compelling storylines. You lost me there
C'mon, world shaking sex makes sense if it's Superman and Wonder Woman 💀💀
They caused the world to go in chaos with they climax 😂
....WHAAAT.
At 9:05 it is stated that Darkseid is Mister Miracle's biological father. This is not true. Darkseid is the adopted father of Mister Miracle. The leaders of the planets Apokolips and New Genesis (Darkseid and Highfather) traded sons in a peace treaty. The son of Highfather, Scott Free, was sent to Apokolips (he escaped by becoming Mister Miracle the worlds greatest escape artist). The son of Darkseid, Orion, was sent to New Genesis and became a hero under the tutelage of Highfather.
8:15 Lois turning black reminds me of a Christian story of a lil girl that wanted blue eyes like her mother, so she prayed and her prayer was never answered because "she was meant to have brown eyes," so she could help little African kids.
I never knew why that story bothered me until now. they basically said it was okay for her to blackface because she has brown eyes like the African kids/people.
Aww poor little baby
And this is why there are atheists
I looked up the story, she was a Christian missionary named Amy Carmichael. She actually went to India and not Africa. I agree that the "brown eyes she prayed to remove as a child became a blessing because she looked more like the browned eyed people of India" is a bit shoehorned into the story. However she still did a lot of good. She established a school and an orphanage. The brown eyes bit comes into play because she disguised herself as a local of India so she could sneak into temples where abandoned little girls were being forced into prostitution. She rescued many girls from a life of prostitution and got them to a safe-house. All while having a debilitating condition that would leave her bed ridden for weeks at a time. She eventually became permanently bedridden and became an author.
Casually Comics does great brake downs of Marrying Lois adventures. Yeah that black Lois joint was really bad.
That Comet the horse story was just creepy and dumb. I'm sad to hear about Tyro of the Legion of Superheroes. Its terrible that this crap is in our history as comics fans.
for number 3 Lois turns Black the message was try to think in the other guys shoes . "Try" ...may not have aged well but still positive message of trying to understand the perspective of the other . A message that needs to be put across even today ...in a world overburdened by labels and zero understanding .
I also find it rather relatable to the current world that Lois was ignored for being white but the moment she is changed to black, even though she is the same person otherwise, she is suddenly accepted.
@@anactualbear5683 Yep.
I won't lie this guy completely lost me with the last point about Injustice you're telling me where we're looking into a perverted Universe of what it would take to break Superman you are going to criticize that universe that perspective for not keeping the same perspective as the regular Superman and having hope cuz even if you wanted to argue that you can argue the opposite because you can just say he took it too far
Injustice Superman is not the same person as DC's mainstream reality (New Earth) Superman, so Injustice Superman's reactions to the inciting events are true to his own character, but may not be true to New Earth Superman's...
Injustice is a definite reach
Number 1 is ridiculous. That’s literally the whole point of Injustice.
Superman went from being the big hero who stops joker to being even worse than the joker
@@wintertrooper7918 again, LITERALLY THE ENTIRE POINT OF INJUSTICE. A look at what would happen if Superman would be pushed to the point of no return and the aftermath. Not the same as everything else on this list.
@@chicomac8450 Not to mention the video left out the fact that Lois was pregnant, so he lost his unborn child, and that Metropolis was then destroyed by a nuclear bomb. The story made the point that causing the accidental death of your wife, unborn child, and entire freaking city would be enough to push anyone over the edge, including Superman. It's done better in the comic than in the game, since after all this happens you can see him gradually making more and more morally compromising choices until he ends up as a full on despot. The rest of this list is pretty spot on, that entry just seems like the writer of this video had an axe to grind.
@@mikemcreynolds4842 except that he became even worse than any of the villains he fought worse than the joker was ever he literally was only a few years (if that) from the rest of the universe deciding to annihilate the earth to protect the rest of the galaxy
@@wintertrooper7918 once again, the entire point.
1:05-1:07- Superman just said out loud what he says every night when he’s alone . It’s a shame that Bruce (And Diana.) wasn’t there to hear it.
What🤨
You couldn’t be more wrong about the injustice part
They really need to stop letting Frank Miller write comics lmao.
that depends!
Miller is like the Clint Eastwood of Comics
At the very least they need to pick someone else to draw the comics. Because that looked like crap.
@@CosmicGoku529 Miller's unique style worked really well in the original Dark Knight Returns series. But when Dark Knight Returns 2 came out, Miller went even further in the stylization, and I agree, it was terrible. Rivals Keith Giffen at his worst.
Superman literally just said "PUNISH ME, DADDY! I DESERVE IT! 1:01
Dam I was looking for that. Its crazy tho he really is a daddy's boi.
And I thought cousin on cousin action was something only available in Manga 😂😂
Injustice shouldn't be on the list because it's a what if Superman was bad story. Also it's a Spin-off series so it has nothing to do with the main DC universe.
“World shaking sex”
*I am calm.*
*WHAT SORCERY IS THIS?*
99% of this comment section is disagreeing with number one
Meanwhile, I am taking a #2 😅
I gotta disagree with the Injustice point, to begin with what was done to Superman was massively downplayed he didn't just get tricked to kill Lois, Joker tricked Superman to ruin his own life and when asked "Why?!?" he gets manically laughed at while Joker holds that over his head and basically promised to hurt him again,in this moment Superman was weighing everything the clown prince has done and decided to end his life,from here Diana, Sinestro,and Black Adam convinced him that he could prevent all that death and destruction if he was in charge, the message behind Injustice isn't that Superman doesn't stand for hope as prime Superman does set things right it's proving "The killing joke" wasn't just chance
except superman is incorruptable.
Ngl, you might be a bit off on number 1, how can you keep hope when someone forced you to kill your wife and unborn child?? That’s the point of injustice, even the name points to the idea. An injustice was done to Superman, and now he puts to question everything he once believed in because of the actions of a villain. One that even his own best friend had moments that he was going to kill this same villain, Batman didn’t because he wanted to prove he’s better but Superman? Why bother when you lost the one person you love the most and a child you were VERY excited for. It’s heart breaking and even more so, it’s moral breaking. I mean, can you be any type of mentally good after seeing you wife dead in space by your own hands?
I completely agree. I'm arguing with someone who thinks Superman can't be pushed to do those things. He even compared Superman to Jesus.
@@jdsimmons97 and that’s the problem with some people, they forget that, (even tho he tries to represent the best of us), he’s still a man. A “super”man, yes, but let’s not forget the man part, he is not Jesus lol He can fall from the pedestal and be driven to do the worst. All it takes is the worst to happen, and in injustice, joker did the worst. Honestly, ignore those fools, clearly they miss the point of Superman if they get “he’s like Jesus” out of him and his stories.
@@LeoNxL2Hx if you search the comment section with 50+ replies you'll find the entire argument and you'll see how pointless it is.
because supermans hope wasnt in his family. It was for all of humanity. They still need saving and still need to be taught a better way. But okay people now a days put all of their meaning and reason for existence into their partner
I also completely disagree with that about injustice. That was literally the first comic in which superman was at all compelling for me. And it went to prove the idea that everyman is just one bad day away from going nuts like the joker.
it didnt prove anything, since it takes place in an alternate WHAT IF universe. And it had to break character just to even get the story going
It’s one thing to add that whole Superman acting out of character in injustice when that’s the whole point to this list, but to put it in first place when we had Lois Lane turning black for 24 hr lower on this list WOW.
Unless I missed a retcon, Darkseid was not Mister Miracle's biological father. Highfather was Scott Free's real father and according to the truce between Apokolips and New Genesis, Highfather and Darkseid were to raise each other's son (Orion was Darkseid's).
Amazing, this list got completed without any Jimmy Olson Comics
That last entry may be the worst take this channel has ever taken. Like, horrendously bad. And that's saying something.
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I thought the earth wasnt supposed to move until the honeymoon?
3:55- Is this the same Circe who became a Wonder Woman villain?
Shouldn't the Pink Kriptonite turning Superman gay be on this list, even if it was a miniplot? The black Lois Lane at least was trying to do something positive, and it wasn't published this millennia! (Can believe that a stone infecting Superman with homosexuality was something written in 2003 istg)
The 'black" Lois story has to be viewed in it's true world time-line. Hey, DC was trying, much like the "junkie" Speedy issues.
Junkie speedy was bad in the day but now it's an integral part of Roy Harper's backstory along with his getting clean
@@wintertrooper7918 I haven't seen arrow I hope they put that in like halfway through a season or something I do know that ******** ******* dies
@@conman_yt7999 sorta not exactly
@@wintertrooper7918 I also censored the dead person's name so it doesn't spoil it for you
Injustice is a very good story line and shows us that it takes only one very bad day to make a hero a supervillian.
You are wrong about the Injustice part, and saying He doesn't kill such and such is like saying Batman doesn't kill, nor use guns, which he does in both comics and movies.
batman killed in his early comics. but not after they reformed him. He is actually right about superman. Thats why the story takes place in a WHAT IF universe.
And the movies are so wrong in their portrayal of both superman and batman and its fucking annoying
That Superman Wonder Woman love scene in DKSA was freaking epic!
Hold on, what a minute!!! Everything you said about injustice is WRONG
Just here for the Injustice shouldn’t be on this list slander
I disagree with this list, it's mostly silver age stuff and they were the style at the time till competition came. But injustice in the comics is mostly ww convincing Clark he needs to take over instead of grieving. He's a broken man who's being manipulated to following his worst impulses, which is pretty much why batman keeps that piece of kryptonite in the batcave.
For superman, there is no hope anymore. He sees freedom as the opportunity for the worst to happen.
Pretty much the joker did to supes what heath ledger joker did to Harvey, he brought them down to his level.
Yeah but It was uncharacteristic for Superman to snap (same thing happened to him in Kingdom Come and was the main drive for Superman to do good), Wonder Woman was war hungry in Injustice which is contrast to her character and what she stands for
Those are the two characters that drove the plot and neither is acting as themselves
@@CanineLupus0114 which is why they can get away with it in elseworld stories. A character can't be perfect in every instance every when everytime. It's how we got the batman who laughs, parallax Hal Jordan, all the heroes in Flashpoint.
@@sandmaker47 who says a character cant be perfect? just cause ur not perfect? Superman and wonderwoman were waaaay out of character. its a WHAT IF story sure. but that doesnt make it good
4:47
*PICCOLO WHAT'RE YOU DOING IN DC COMIC UNIVERSE*
Many shoutout the slogan "Make America Great Again" But nobody asks for whom or maybe it was so clear that it doesn't need any clarification.
Ok, between DC writers insistence on superman/super girl being a thing for some ungodly reason and that one Marvel What If panel where Hulk and She-Hulk are married (and of course THAT whole thing in Old Man Logan), wtf is up with certain comic book writers and shipping a hero with their female cousins?!?
In the immortal words of a wise old superstar basketball player;
Stop it. Get some help.
You are funny you think the cousins thing is bad go look up wtf was going on with ultimate quicksilver and ultimate scarlet witch
@@wintertrooper7918 I mean, yeah, the ultimate quicksilver/scarlet witch thing is technically way worse. But I think all three are disgusting in their own special way…
@@Brianna-eo8nu comics have this very weird very concerning idea that "edgey and controversial" selling points mean just really fucked up ideas like when Carol Danvers was mind controlled in to having a relationship with this limbo demon dude and having her give birth to himself and all the Vengers (who are not mind controlled) were all cool with her going off with this limbo demon dude despite her being obviously mind controlled
It’s America, a lot of cousin marriages over there
@@martychisnall
Umm no
It’s very frowned upon over here too
In fact certain areas of the country are even made fun of because they’re associated with that concept
(3:48) In classic Greek mythology, it is not unusual for Centaurs to find human woman attractive. DC universe is filled with examples of different species falling in love with each other. I do not see an issue here.
You forgot one of the most f*(ked up stories ever created in the DC.
Superman and Lois are married and Lois is about 2 trimesters into her pregnancy. All of the sudden she stammers back holding her stomach in excruciating pain. Almost as if she had gotten kicked real hard in the stomach; which she realizes in horror is EXACTLY what just happened.
Yep, you guessed it!! Her Human anatomy cannot handle the strength her child has. Long story short. She yells out to Superman for help. By the time Superman arrives, Lois dies in his arms after being "kicked" to death by their unborn child. Oh, and the child dies too.
After Lois' funeral, Maxima shows up. She tries to console Superman by saying people like them are the only ones that can carry your child to Term without dying.
Superman thinks about this for a second and as we turn the page, we see Superman and Maxima making out heavily in Lois' grave!! Its also the same picture as the Cover.
What in the hell
"Man of Steel, Woman of Kleenex", by Larry Niven. One of many reasons cited by him as to why Superman and Lois trying to have a kid is a bad idea.
"Frank Miller is a really weird guy."
I mean, to put it mildly, yeah.
Have you seen Ralph Bakshi?
Come on man Injustice was a great story line that made you think about what could happen if super man was ever pushed over the edge. To compare it to some of these is just wrong.
The second a guy nuts in a woman, there are three people in the room. I am very smart. Just ask my invisible friend. HE loves me and grants wishes.
Hold up: “Supergirl dude ranch”?
I get the feeling that everyone who criticize Injustice's story.. haven't actually read it.
And please stop saying that Superman can't go bad. Like that's innate in his character. That's lazy AF
I read some of those early Superman stories and he was a LOT more brutal back then! Like, he had to have killed at least one of those wife beaters that he punched through a wall .
everyone has a 'dark side', as Eclipso has proven time and again
there's bad versions of every DC hero
its not that he cant, it's that he wont. It's the whole purpose of his character
@@matthewschwartz6607 lolol yeah early superman was a menace. But after they reformed his character, thats not him anymore
I thought injustice is one of the best dystopian dc realities in my opinion. It was cruel bloody and sad but still good and not deserving to be on the list. If the blackest knight isn't innapropriate and injustice is something is very wrong
I love the injustice storyline it shows that even Superman has a human side and when he sees that he killed Lois and hears his unborn child's heart stop we see that that line he never crosses disappears it shows everyone has their breaking point and the moment he kills the joker any true fan of Superman understands that hatred he feels for the person that caused him to commit the most heinous crime but we also get to see that batman would do anything he can to stop him but also understands why he did it but just wants to help bring the person part of the league he considers his equal and closest friend out side of the bat family
the main stories already shows he has a human side....
oh right, modern stories think being human is being so flawed you turn into a villain
"becomes dangerously close to being racially offense"
Translation to American English "is extremely racially offensive."
Not really. Like wow, a kind reporter character can understand them better when she's not shunned for being white. If any part has a negative racial angle, it's the part where they won't even talk to her because "she's whitey"
At least Comet, the dude who turned from horse to human and back again, is the only man Supergirl will ever meet that can literally say he's hung like a horse.
The thing with Barda is that sleeze guy did make her have sex on camera. You can see Scott reacting to it. Got stopped before the Superman sex sadly. Also Superman and Supergirl should get married. They are a perfect couple. (Joking obviously)
7:10 Lol, big deal, Buffy and Angel nearly caused the apocalypse that way. (Seriously, read the season 8 comics.)
Why do those names sound familiar
@@amvcentral1478
Buffy the Vampire Slayer Season Eight #31-35, February - May 2010 Dark Horse Comics.
You might say Buffy really fucked up everything in that story - literally.
Injustice? while completely ignoring pink kryptonite?
Darkseid is not Mister Miracle's biological father. He's his adopted father. Mister Miracle's biological father is High Father of New Genesis
We all called #2 fellas. What comic book reader (long-time or short) wouldn't?
You guys go on about racial insensitivity while also being the same people who 1) said diversity was missing for not having a black character, not characters of color because apparently to many black and white is diverse enough 2) when addressing the cold shoulder Lois got from that black community, ya guys failed to call it for what it was, racism.. But by gawd if Cyborg needed info and got the same hositilty, you'd guys would sure pounce and say how vile and racist it is
Don't you know double standards only apply one way?
Superman is always shown as inherently weaker than batman. Do we look at the movies to see that bats basically kills in PG13 mode. As long as you don’t see it happen then the criminal maaaaaay be alive.
Supes isn’t weak for showing compassion. It would be very easy for him to “hurt” villains like bats. His upbringing by normal decent parents doesn’t even allow him to think of being as brutal. Bruce is essentially nuts. He never got over the loss of his parents. If he actually acknowledges a “fatal injury” even once then the floodgates will open. I don’t think supes would carry on killing.
5:43 I would have called this one: "Superman goes full SWEET HOME ALABAMA"
I don't agree with injustice, they literally bring in a good Superman who says all those things you said
Injustice is a story of Clark *losing* hope because of Lois and his kid's death and therefore, loses hope in humanity for it to solve its own problems and eventually that leads to being a despot and him losing his own humanity etc
No Filter.
Warm up.
I'm your Romeo you're my Juliet
I feel your breath on my chest as we bleed to death
I'm your Superman and your my Louis Lane
I feel like steel but still feel real
I'm your Spider-Man and your my Mary Jane
I'll swing to your bed and leave web in your head
Don't fret,...
Beg for more.
I disagree with most people in the comments as I dislike the Injustice story. It does alter the entire character of Superman. It's fun to think of Superman as dictator, but it is wildly out of character.
I think injustice is good fun and not entirely impossible the writers set out to flip Superman's character on it's head without warning and it works, they also do a good job of portraying the consequence's this would have. However I see where this video is coming from, as although I am primarily a Batman fan, Superman is often the character I turn to for wholesome moments when I'm taking a break from characters such as Homlander and Omni-man for example in the JL unlimited Christmas special. So while I appreciate Injustice I always enjoy the idea of Superman being a true hero done right.
Tyroc is basically Black Panther with a slightly altered origin and no cat suit
Should be titled "Lets take offence over nothing"
Darkseid is not Miracle Man's biological father. All Father is his son. Darkseid's son is Orion.
The question left unanswered is how a guy apparently made of solid rock (Darkseid) is even able to father human looking children.
So you’re gonna leave out the one where Superman tries to emotionally abuse Jimmy Olsen until he doesn’t love him? Or the one where Pink kryptonite turns Superman gay?
First they murder him in the first 15 minutes of a movie next Superman makes him not even like Superman anymore people need to start giving Jimmy Olsen some f*cking respect
Injustice is awesome you have greatly over simplified the series
What I really wish is there was an actual Injustice comic of the video game itself, there's only the things leading up to the game, why not the game itself? The story's already written.
There is but it only Harley Quinn pov comicstorynen (I forgot have to spell his name) has video about
@@eletricninja7622 Yeah...doesn't feel like it counts.
9:14 Ok I gotta know, where did that picture come from.
Marrying ur cousin is something normal in more than half of the world
3:44 zeus
I hate to say it, but they got number one wrong, the entire point of Injustice was how quickly and easily the ideology that Superman carries with him can turn to darkness when carried to the extreme.
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It was kinda a pleasant surprise that a space for comics talks about all the weird racial insensitivity. Definitely nice to see!
I gotta go read that comic where Lois turns black I ain’t seen that one lhh.
Funny thing is I'd rather read any of these stories over the trash DC is crapping out these days🤣🤣🤣😅and Injustice doesn't treat Superman with respect 🤔🤔🤔🤔they didn't change the main Superman he's from a different universe and the story was damn good basically a What it.
I liked dark knight's metal, but otherwise... Yeah I agree😅
I have questions...
At what point did Superman lose the ability to fly through space (avoiding red suns) and to visit other planets, and to fly into the sun to clean his super suit?
When or how did Superman stop just being super 24/7 and become a super solar battery that has to be recharged?
I vaguely recall sometime in the 70's or 80's, a villain created a golem that stole a super power from Superman each time he used one until Superman had no powers. How did Superman regain his powers, and what reason was given for him being less super than before?
My thanks to anyone who can answer any of these questions for me.
i wont lie the thumbnail is the reason im here.
The Injustice criticism is stupid.
I'm sorry, but I think you're just wrong about Superman and Injustice. The Joker didn't just have Superman mistake Lois Lane for Doomsday, and inadvertently kill her, but she was PREGNANT at the time. Furthermore, the Joker then detonated a nuclear bomb in Metropolis killing everyone Superman knew and tens of millions of other people as well. I'm here for team Superman, but I'm pretty sure that would cause even the big blue boy scout to break.
Hey youre the dnd guy.
Yeah I disagree with the whole injustice take
Yes Superman is a good guy at heart and will always be the symbol of hope, but the injustice story is what if Superman had that one bad day or lost everything that mattered to him
Yea I disagree with the injustice part
@6:38 OMG, the artwork from the Frank Miller story was horrible. Frank Miller may be an award winning author, but he obviously failed at art class. That artwork looks like it was done by a child with a box of crayons? Fortunately, one must HAVE lunch to be able to lose it.
Centaur does a favor for Circe. Asks to be full man as reward. Random jagg off curses him into full horse instead. Circe also a very powerful magic user, "eh oh well. Here's some powers. Hope you feel better." why the go didn't she just turn him into a man?
(눈‸■)Well, at least there's some censorship in the thumbnail, so that's something☕
I remember getting 1 comic, 1 slice of pizza and a drink for under a dollar in Bronx Ny.
The worst thing he did in injustice was kill Billy
@matt Superman
I call bs on #1
Injustice is what is the most popular out of DC, when Superman's will breaks.
Despite being an alien, he is displaying of what human beings can do unhinged.